Thread 2830740

Was he retarded? or free?

>>2830740 (OP)
>cross a large river when it was frozen in winter
>lets it fully thaw out in spring and then acts surprised that he can't go back across it anymore due to the rapid current
>fail to make it at hunting
>fail to preserve meat and food properly
>eats poisonous berries
>starves to death
He was retarded and the entire point of the movie and story was to warn people about being as equally retarded as he was.

>>2830740 (OP)
His actions were remarkably similar to those of actual retards who got lost in the woods

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuba_County_Five

>>2830740 (OP)
A little bit of both. Heart was in the right place maybe, but he was short sided, and bit off way more then he could chew. If he just took it a bit slower he'd probably be alive and we wouldn't even know who he was.

>>2830743
>Weiher had apparently lived for as long as three months after the men were last seen, starving to death despite an ample supply of food and heating materials in and near the trailer.
What the fuck. None of this makes any sense.

>>2830740 (OP)
is there a difference?

>>2830740 (OP)
based free poster

>>2830741
pretty sure he killed a moose with a piddly 22 so he didn't fail at hunting, though he failed to preserve it, which would have averted his death had he succeeded
he also refused maps for some reason which is 100% linked to his death as there was a forest service cabin nearby and a bridge to cross the river
he also refused help from locals on the way in, similarly refused an offer that someone come check on him
so he was clearly a retard too big for his boots
but he was also free
whatever that means

he was a tardo that had serious angst with the way of the world and went innawoods
for whatever reason that never works out
probably because being solitary in the way of the modern world is the antithesis of human nature

>>2830808
If you cant successfully harvest the food, then the hunt is a failure.

He succeeded at shooting an animal, not hunting.

>>2830766
They were all super autistic, and I've heard a theory that autistic people freeze up in times of panic. So even though he had ample provisions, he panicked and didn't eat it out of a stress response

>>2830740 (OP)
both because he has no idea what he was doing quite literally

Summoning based NASCAR anon.

He died starving but in todays world fatasses in america need to go out in nature.

He had more spirit and heart than 90% of weimerica brown invader immigrants living in welfare cities and braindead flouride stared whites living in metro suburbs like houston, LA, NYC, Denver.

Citycucks are just so disgusting and man is it going to be good when the vast majority of highways clog in america as chaos erupts.

When american cities burn maybe the world will finally heal

>>2830907
You're on the wrong board, jeet. >>>/pol/

Let's pretend his passion was Nascar driving...

Christopher McCandless sets off, from California in an old car he rebuilt himself (he replaced the fenders and painted it), on a trip to the Daytona 500. He only gets across the state line when he runs out of fuel because he forgot to fill it up. Instead of simply walking to the nearest gas station or flagging down help he decides to push his car over an embankment and set it on fire. He then proceeds to walk on foot to the nearest car lot (which happens to be in Mexico for some reason, mostly because he burned up his map in the car and he's been taking backroads.) He finds an old bicycle in a garbage dump and uses that.

He finally gets to the car lot and buys a fixer-upper for $50. Before leaving the car lot he has to change a tire, which he replaces with the solid rubber donut. He buys fuel and heads off to the Daytona 500 again. Only he's heading deeper into Mexico and eventually ends up broken down in front of, "Autodromo Internacional de la Jolla" due to no water in the radiator. The engine block has seized up. Luckily, there's a race about to start. Christopher...er "Alexander Superspeeder", who changed his name, pays the $125 entry fee for the race.

Unfortunately, Alexander Superspeeder doesn't have a race car. He does however have an old bicycle still. He uses the bicycle to race. He makes it only 3 laps before he is too tired to steer straight and veers off into a race car and is killed.

Some Jew picks up his story and writes a book about his life and how he followed his dreams. Another Jew makes a movie about it. Armchair racers around the world adore him.

The End.

>>2830989
needs picture

He was suicidal/retarted, I can't remember was he a vegetarian?

speaking of retards

>>2831000
He killed a moose. That should answer your question.

>>2830989
>>2830994
BASED

>>2830740 (OP)
My favorite retarded americans are the two morons who went camping in the desert, got lost, because neither of them knew how to read a map, and after two days one of them killed the other one out of mercy.

It is ideal to die in the wilderness and the timeline is irrelevant

>>2831193
You'll enjoy this one then
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/world/europe/a-french-couples-love-for-the-american-west-ends-in-tragedy.html

>>2831198
>be european
>go to the desert on a normal desert day
>walk a mile
>die

teeth too big for him mouth

>>2831203
he was hungry

>>2831198
Dying after 1km walk seems ridiculous.

>>2830740 (OP)
Both. Posters who hate him would argue Batman is a bad guy because he beats up poor people.

>>2831217
That makes Batman a good guy

>>2831217
Actually Batman is the villain precisely because he merely beats the poor people up instead of killing them.

>>2830989
I would watch and enjoy that movie.

>>2830740 (OP)
Both, just like Timothy Treadwell. He did things the posers here wouldn't dream of, including actually going outside, but he got himself killed in the process in a stupid and unnecessary way.

>>2830766
>>2830743
>>2830866
I read the story, the only thing that doesn't make sense is the last guy in the trailer not writing what happened. The fifth guy who was never found obviously fucked them over somehow

>>2830740 (OP)
My theory is he simply had no idea how many calories were in things. People grow up hearing "the Native Americans lived off the land". So you figure, if you have a book about edible plants, a .22 rifle, and a sack of rice, you can probably survive indefinitely. No. A sack of rice will last you a week. Hunting squirrel sized game will prolong your misery only a few days because they're very low calorie and you'll quickly shoot all the ones nearby and finding new game will become progressively harder. What this guy didn't realize is that Native Americans could live off the land because it would be a tribe of 100 people living on 100 square miles of land with hunting/gathering/fishing jobs divvied up in the tribe to make it all work. There are always people in the "bug out / shit hits the fan" threads who are convinced that if they run into the woods with a backpack full of guns, ammo, and fishing gear, they'll survive forever. It's impossible. I think he died because he thought 2 cups of wild harvested edible plants would provide an easy 2000 calories a day. When in reality it's probably closer to 100 calories. He probably thought he was saved every time he shot a varmint and cooked and ate it. But each of those were probably 150 calories max. The math just doesn't work out.

>>2831416
Posts like this totally miss the mindset of McCandless

The guy was into American Transcendentalism

It wasn't truly about survival he was just doing some philosophical internal work on himself and shit went south too quick for him

>>2831000
Sounds a victim of coldwar nihilistic dysgenic anti-civilizational childrearing.

He came from a pretty broken family so I don't blame him from running. He also survived for a pretty long period of time considering his non existent experience

>>2831667
>survive for a pretty long period of time
>bummed off other people for most of his journey in the lower 48 and worked odd jobs
>goes to alaska to finally be alone
>dies within 4 months

>>2831677
Yeah but his family wasnt perfect so...

>>2831679
Yeah him and nearly millions of others that manage to get by just fine.

>>2831349
No evidence of foul play. The car was abandoned. My Theory. He walked himself into an animals den, was attacked and died with no remains discovered because deep in a cave or thicket.

>>2831667
>He came from a pretty broken family
His sister debunked all this. He never called the sister. He tortured her and the family. Not cool, bro.

>>2831679
No family is perfect.

>>2831679
what a waste of a post

>>2831695
unlike this one

I had to read the book then watch the movie in highschool, so it's been a while, but I remember the book being a lot more critical of his decisions and lifestyle, while the movie was obnoxiously celebrative of it. I guess it worked because all the wanderlust teens thought the movie was amazing, I couldn't get away from that Eddie Vedder song.

>>2830748
The book read a lot closer to this anon's take

>>2830740 (OP)
Depends on what you believe his motivations were. I don't think he was an honest person, seemed to go out of his way to fuck other people/himself over then get pissy about it. Credit is given where it's due, at least he went outside, but he was more in love with the idea of freedom than he was the reality of it. Reminds me of the bear guy that, despite "loving bears so much", failed to ever give them the respect they deserved. Not that much different from any other teenager that runs away from home chasing an unrealistic ideal, which is why it resonated with so many teenagers. Not much of an /out/ movie as it is a teenage angst movie.

>>2831687
yeah obviously they didn't find anything to say one way or the other or we'd have known, you clearly didn't read into it though. The only one who wasn't found wasn't actually like an autistic mentally slow guy with tics like the others, he was just a drug addict labeled schizo mentally ill. In fact, he's the only one who seemingly was being punished as part of his attending the mentally ill thing. He convinced them, not hard because they're all autistic, to go out into the mountains where they were met by someone with a truck. He must have convinced them that he would be back and that everything would be okay, or that everything was fine.

>>2831700
I'm somewhat of an expert on this topic, Chris essentially thought he was a pioneer, a maverick, the only one of his tortured soul kind. Him and his girlfriend went to Slab City where he promptly discovered he was a basic bitch and lost his girlfriend. To prove everyone wrong about him being a basic bitch, he went and did the most extreme thing he could that would prove them wrong- live in the wild in Alaska

>>2831702
>Slab City
Are you talking about the underage girl? I thought he met her at Slab City?

>>2831702
>>2831706
Chris didn't have a gf going into Slab City. His Highschcool gf dumped him after prom and he turned down the underage jailbait in s lab city.

>>2830989
accurate.
>>2830740 (OP)
both actually. but his retardedation cut his freedom short, he couldn't cross the river back to get supplies when his ran out. didn't make jerky out of the moose, ate random poisonous seeds. what killed him was not walking, iirc, ONE MILE down the river to look for a crossing, where there was one. there was a bridge. ONE FUCKIGN MILE, and he didnt walk it to check, i would have been walking up and down that river 10 miles each way, it's not like you can get lost following a river. heck, make a raft! he was fucking retarded, retards shouldn't be allowed freedom. it is wasted on them.

>>2831827
Once he fell behind on the calorie balance, it's understandable that he wouldn't wander very far. At that point his body was screaming for him to conserve energy so only immediate concerns were going to bubble up to the top. But when he arrived at the bus, he absolutely should have explored the area. He had plenty of time after arriving to do that instead of huffing his own farts while journaling. Survival skills aside, his lack of curiosity about his surroundings fly in the face of everything else he wrote about trying to become.

>>2831836
>>2831827
Everyone also forgets he was there from April to September. By all metrics, summer in Alaska should be one of the easiest places on the planet to survive. By September there is entire hillsides of wild blueberries.


Chris was retarded.

>>2830740 (OP)
retarded. even the hardcore innawoods guys in alaska check in at the nearby town every once in a while. and they live in cozy, comfy and insulated shacks with wood stoves. this nigger sought refuge in a dilapidated hippy van, exposed to the elements. he should've just stayed a hobo and wondered the continental USA.

>>2831949
He didnt die from the elements

protip: there are major sections of alaska that have west coast climate, while the ENTIRETY OF THE NORTHERN MIDWEST ENJOYS -40 WINTERS

A 20-80 degree temp rain forest is uniform from san fransisco to ketchikan alaska

the majority of the continental u.s. is more severe than that

>>2831954
missed the point of my post entirely. People who do this innawoods shit for fun or as a lifestyle don't do what he did, especially regarding shelter. And you can worsen your situation even in easier weather.

>>2831958
im just sayin dawg alaska is not the fuckin hardest place, many continental states match it, there are only small parts of alaska that are worse than north dakota or montana

is there any equivalent of someone doing this, but with urban homelessness instead of wilderness survival?

freetarded

>>2832297
millions of schizophrenics at any given time

RIP.
He's the retard we aspire to be

>>2831002
AAAHHH! AHHHH! AHHH!

>>2832865
>weakness
>snowed in
>disaster
retard didnt even make it 2 weeks before fucking up

>>2832865
>made it!

Yes.
/thread

>>2832865
Also who the fuck write like this??

>>2833072
>Also who the fuck write like this??

>>2832865
was he a sperg?

>>2832865
Why does he have such effeminate hand writing?

is the movie any good?

>>2830740 (OP)
>Was he retarded? or free?
Yes.

>>2830766
>>2830866
one of the seasons of Alone (I think season 3) had a guy who caught a ton of fish and smoked them to stockpile and ration. But he was barely eating any. He ended up getting medically disqualified because his BMI had dropped dangerously low, even though he had a big stockpile of fish preserved. He was barely eating anything and didn't even realize that he was slowly starving to death; he said later that it wasn't until he got back and looked in the mirror that he realized how bad it had gotten.

When you go long enough without eating you can lose your appetite and I imagine that in survival situations there are some people who just don't realize they're starving until it's too late.

>>2833302
Yo anon, I haven't watched alone but it has piqued my interest. Do I need to start from a particular season? or do I just dive into it

>>2833309
Other than occasional references to previous seasons, each season stands on its own so you don't need to watch anything prior to jumping in whenever you want. Season 12 is the current one if you want to be part of the current discussion; it's in South Africa so it's the first season that's not just cold and wet. There are I think 3 episodes left on that. But I would really start with Season 1 if you're looking to marathon, that's a really unique season because all of the subsequent seasons the contestants are learning from previous seasons, but Season 1 everything is new.

Season 4 is the pair season (husband/wife, brothers, father/son) which some people didn't like and recommend skipping but I liked it. Season 5 was a redemption season (featuring losing contestants from previous seasons) and again some people don't like that but I didn't mind it. 6 and 7 are possibly the two best seasons IMO.
But at least watch Season 1, and then either Season 12 so you can join the discussion in the Alone thread on /out/ or just keep marathoning. And you can watch the seasons out of order for the most part (although they might sometimes spoil prior seasons by telling you who won)

>>2833315
Just started epp1 season1, is the show legit? thanks for the detailed response

>>2833318
yeah it's pretty legit. Some anons think that the producers secretly help some contestants but I don't think they do

>>2833319
Lmao yeah dude and just leave 500k up to chance with no fuckin' footage

>>2833338
All 11 winners have been men and 10/11 are White men. If they were rigging it that wouldn't be the case. Especially the season where the runner up was a woman who had to be medically pulled due to starvation, if they were going to rig anything they would have given her some food.
But also after 11 (and now 12) seasons, somebody would have leaked if it weren't legit

>>2830740 (OP)
It's called the Faustian Soul.

All of the brown seethers and boomers in this thread just don't get it.

While he did make mistakes, the most detrimental being the eating of alkaline laced potatoe seeds, ultimately leading to his death, after 30 years people still speak his name. People will for many years to come.

The irony is that if he survived, there would be no story; no man to remember.

In a way, he transcended death.

>>2833595
Becoming a cautionary tale is the lamest way to achieve immortality though.

>>2833689
Every great man of history could be labeled as a "cautionary tale" Alexander the great, Julius Caesar, Magellan, Napoleon, Adolf Hitler.

All ended in tragedy, yet all are immortalized.

At the end of the day, both of our lives will come and go, and once the people who knew us are gone it will be as if we never existed at all.

Chris will live on.

>>2831706
>>2831719
she was 17 and you're in a "lawless" city. I can't believe not making an exception for that. pussy could've saved him

>>2833693
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

>>2830740 (OP)
>>2830741
>>2830808
>>2830809
Like you could do better. Why don't you hear the whole story instead of watching a movie and acting like you know anything?
youtube.com/embed/ucwnfFzlDWw

>>2830740 (OP)
Never heard about this.
Just read it.
The guy managed to starve 20 miles from a highway.

>>2834319
>Like you could do better.
nta, but yes, I wouldn't go to live in alaskan winderness without hunting experience. It's called not being absolute retard.

>>2831002
Pretty clear cut suicide. The guy knew his way around bears. He was going to leave for the winter as to not become bear food but had a falling out with his gf and let the bears kill them both.

>>2834319
I'm not one of the ones you spam replied to but, I absolutely could do better. In fact, I've done better, yeah. For starters, I'm still alive.

>>2831702
>he promptly discovered he was a basic bitch and lost his girlfriend. To prove everyone wrong about him being a basic bitch, he went and did the most extreme thing he could that would prove them wrong- live in the wild in Alaska
kek, so he was a chud who wanted to prove he's a man and failed. based on his diary >>2832865 he clearly attempted to stay 100 days in wilderness but was too stupid

>>2834859
>chud
What sort of context are you attempting to use this retarded word that says more about you than it does the person you're trying to insult? McCandless was a basic bitch who didn't even have any nuanced opinions, I'm not even sure he was political and if he was he was clearly liberal

>>2833128
no

he had a good river crossing a couple miles from his bus bros... he could've just walked out of the woods

>>2834912
So a guy committed kamasutra. But he found a nice way to do it. Calm, scenic, no trauma, didn't bother anyone. Just like some gooks do in their funny sudoku forest.
And you're all butthurt. Why?

>>2834929
son, sit down and read carefully:
no one making fun of mccandyass is "mad".
we are having a mix of pity and dark humor at a deeply defective mans tragedy, and a making fun of the manchildren desperately trying to remake him into something that gives them the dopamine squirts when they idly fantasies.
The worst the "tard-critical" posters are feeling here is that of a parent trying to take a dried dog turd from a screaming toddler intent on eating said turd.
And because you are genuinely retarded and need things explained to you, yes you are the turd eating toddler in this analogy.

>>2830740 (OP)
Realistically, if im going to essentially inherit the family home, have simplistic desires and enjoy simple things (already accumulated the material things I wanted in my 20s) how much would my stocks/ETFs folder be worth to essentially take it easy after a certain point?

>>2834319
that sign was just cringy cope with his imminent death. he left this message outside the bus:
>S.O.S. I NEED YOUR HELP. I AM INJURED, NEAR DEATH, AND TOO WEAK TO HIKE OUT OF HERE I AM ALL ALONE, THIS IS NO JOKE. IN THE NAME OF GOD,
PLEASE REMAIN TO SAVE ME. I AM OUT COLLECTING BERRIES CLOSE BY AND
SHALL RETURN THIS EVENING. THANK YOU, CHRIS MCCANDLESS. AUGUST?
doesn't sound like he was in control of the situation at all.

>>2834958
if you can live off of 4% of your total invested wealth you're good. read simple path to wealth by jl collins for this concept but expanded.

>>2830740 (OP)
Like others have said already; "both"
>>2830896
>>2830989
>>2830994
Holy shit, I feel bad for laughing but wow

>>2830740 (OP)
Retarded

>>2830740 (OP)
he's dead, that's what matters

>>2831844
You can't survive on berries. You'll shit yourself to death.

>>2830740 (OP)
Richard Proenneke did everything better

>>2831954
Fairbanks area is known for getting especially cold

>>2836019
i've been where he's at during the months he was there
it's really not that bad

>>2836021
Me too. was talking about winter time. He was gonna die either ways

>>2836018
this guy /out/

>>2834319
>>2831418
The anons get it.
He read a lot of Tolstoy. The last book he read "family happiness" reconciled his love and forgiveness for his family. God had a different plan for him and why we are still talking about him today vs if he would have survived. He's an alright dude.

Fun fact: my Aunt picked him up and drove him to the hot springs on his way up to Alaska.

Incoming blogpost: I identified with this guy's story quite a bit. His childhood shows the signs of living with a parent with a cluster-B personality disorder. The amount of control he was subjected to probably led to an incredibly low sense of autonomy. To escape and overcome this he wanted complete freedom no matter the cost. Even if it meant his own death, he had to know if he was capable of complete personal responsibility. Sometimes I wonder if all of his adventures were just a passive suicide attempt, or he really just couldn't evaluate danger properly because he was never allowed to take risks at developmentally appropriate stages.

Obviously much of this is inferrence based on anecdotal experiences. The 200ish pages drew many conclusions with very little to work with, and the author no doubt took some creative liberties with conversations. I myself grew up in a house like this (perhaps not as toxic). I did some these things myself though nothing to the same extent as Chris. But living out of my car, rafting a summer away, climbing a mountain or two on a whim, and traveling to multiple countries alone gave me back some of that autonomy and sense of self worth I was lacking. His story is incredible even if his naivety led to a very preventable death. I never once felt sorry for him though. You can clearly see at the brink of death he was happier than his school age self. His story will always live on the thin line between retarded and free, but we can enjoy it regardless of if we think he is a hero or not.

>>2836075
>God had a different plan for him
christcuck cope. he was retarded.

>>2830740 (OP)
he was selfish and an asshole for what he did to his family, who gave him every opportunity to live a fulfilling life

>>2836092
I don't think you're a slave to anyone or owe anyone unconditionally. Even less so in an exchange for opportunity or money. Going by that logic the richest of all could do whatever to their children and expect gratitude and loyality in return because they are arguably giving them the most 'opportunity'. And then you have that mysterious case of Musks daughter trooning out. Strange.

>>2836105
This. He did not have normal parents. Just because they were successful does not mean they set him up for success.

this guy is even better
>stays in alaska to take photos
>dumps most ammo in the river because "he doesn't need it"
>tells his friend to pick him up later, but says it too ambiguosly for him to understand
>tells his family to not worry about him
>nobody knows his whereabouts
>runs out of food
>wrongly signals helicopter he's alright because has no knowledge of proper signals (lmao)
>no ammo for game
>doesn't go to nearby cabin
>doesn't go to fort yukon
>commits suicide in his tent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_McCunn

>>2831206
It was 100 degrees farenheit, with no breeze, no shade, and it's a gypsum desert so the sun doesn't just hit you from above, but it also hits you from below due to surface reflectivity. They decided that their child would die before they could get back to their vehicle since they didn't bring adequate water, and they chose to give all their water to the child. This was probably not the choice with the greatest chance of saving their child and may have been influenced by delirium, but the child did live, so what do I know?

Don't go to a gypsum desert in August.

>>2836265
reminds me that retarded swedish girl who went to visit havasu falls in grand canyon but the dumb bitch turn RIGHT, uphill instead left, where there was natives' village like 1 mile away.

>>2836268
reminds me of retarded swedish girls visiting a muslim country, morrocco, acting like everyone was like people at home they were used

>>2836260
truly a based retard. not convinced he wasn't trying to die

>>2830809
he harvested a shitload of small game he died becuse he poisned himself with potato seeds

>>2836105
Musk's children trooned out because Elon himself is a repressing tranny (yes, being a tranny is hereditary, just look at Hemingway and his son)

>>2836786
>he has only seen the movie
autopsy didn't confirm that.

>>2830740 (OP)
free enough to do something retarded, that's for sure.

>>2831002
The way the bear is looking at him is pure kino.

>>2830989
>Some Jew picks up his story and writes a book about his life and how he followed his dreams. Another Jew makes a movie about it. Armchair racers around the world adore him.
Basically end of discussion here. This guy does not deserve to even have a story. The story he does have is completely unworthy of discussion. What happened to him matters so little that he's too unimportant to declare free or retarded. He doesn't matter. It's all forced. Weighing him in any serious way is an insult.

>>2830740 (OP)
He rejected his access to the Bank of Mom and Dad to become a weird smelly bum. He was also educated with a bachelor's. These facts make his story noteworthy however, If he would of come from a broken home he would of just been another hobo with a mental disorder.

>>2836883
Dead wrong. Homeless pieces of shit like you are nothing like Chris. Chris had a dream and he lived it and he died for it. He went out.

Worthless, pathetic losers like you have nothing. You exist as parasites feeding on the filthy cast off trash of the most urban cities and most developed society. You are NOTHING like him. Nothing at all.

>>2836896
I dont know anon he actually did come from money, was educated, and was definitely weird and smelly. Im not sure where your aggression is coming from.

>>2836896
Lol Chris literally went to slab city and found out he was a basic bitch from all the other hobos there so he ran off to the woods as far as he could so nobody could call him a faggot, like (you)

>>2836896
I'm not homeless lmao you can see my house in this picture, bet you feel dumb as shit now huh bub, i'm a contributing member of society eh boy? Maybe i'll go mow my neighbors roof lawn just to earn some extra scratch, you know us modernites always on that hustle

>>2836896
kek, imagen getting this assravaged over mccandyass, find better losers to idolize kid.

>>2836896
>derps
>subsequently btfo by the entire thread

Why must everything on 4chan always be brought back to money? Are you all that envious? It's not that having money devalues someones opinions or actions. This guy did what he did. Having or not having money makes no difference.
>>2836883
Anons observation here is sadly correct. Part of why this guy was noticed was the background.

Why does he generate so much seethe? Why do so many random people on the internet have to 'prove themselves' against a guy who died 50 years ago?

>>2836984
see:
>>2834956
most of us here are laughing at retards treating him like a martyr.

>>2830740 (OP)
Retardedly free.

>>2836984
Why do so many random people idolize a basic bitch who was a basic bitch amongst both hobos and mountain men, who then went on to get himself killed after he found out how much of a basic bitch he was


could it be that modern media wants to glorify retarded stories like this so that everyone thinks there's no alternative? You either live like a crusty mentally ill addict in the cities or you live like a retarded mountain man innawoods?

>>2837042
People like him because the average person relates strongly to an aloof, live laugh love retard with no skills that gets into retarded situations in the name of empty concepts that have been sold to them in the past.

>>2837047
shit dude people are gunna love me then
I was gunna do this dumb shit but figured out thousands of homebums do it on the edge of civilization all over the place and it's just as easy to do it moving from town to town taking less from the taxpayer than one single mother in section 8 housing

>>2837051
>yeah my house is near PCT, how could you tell?

>>2837075
AT*, but yeah

>>2837075
>>2837078
Medford oregon, closer to the PCT actually lel

>>2837103
>fenced in patio
fucking hell kek

>>2830740 (OP)
what was his bmi in this picture

>>2833072
i do

>>2836828
in soviet russia...

>>2837042
better than if the media was channeling them to the woods trying to monetize the idea big time

>>2830740 (OP)

>was he retarded?

What is more retarded.

A:

Work a deadbeat job. Pay student loans. Get a house. Pay mortage each month or lose it. Get a family. Have a wife + kids. Lose wife + kids since you were off working to keep the mortage from collapsing. End up working nonstop paying it off. Once finally paid off you don't want to live there anymore. You sell it. You buy a small apartment. Get a ps5 and computer. Hobby room. Jerk off. See your kids every other week. They don't like it there. Go on vacation for 4 weeks every year.

B:

See society for what it is. The good and the bad. Decide it is not for you, you believe man was made for more than slaving away his life.

You leave home. You set out in pursuit of the penultimate dream for many people.

You try your best. You fail. You lose.
Whenever I am in a precarious situation such as this I loudly tell myself:

"Man I could have been home playing a game"

And that makes everything fall back into place and I remember why I do what I do. Because I fucking hate the other option.

A beautiful mix of both. He was rich and had good education so not very retarded

>>2830740 (OP)
He clearly lost the will to live.

>>2831418
>shit hit the fan too fast
yeah, because he didn't have a good understanding of his dietary requirements

>>2836078
based analysis
I think it bears considerations that we all humans sometimes make irrational decisions of various scopes, and surely it's understandable how one may get to a point where just straight up escaping out into the woods might seem like a good gamble. I'd guess that such gambles might have been much more commonplace in the past, with varying levels of preparation going into them; now everything is taken as set into stone, and the best such gambles while staying within "reasonable" bounds are shit like moving into a different country, changing jobs or going travelling. Legit wtf else is there? So if someone wants to fuck off into the forest and try surviving, so be it. Many attempted it before, many succeeded and many failed, it's his life, can't really blame him.

>>2831002
[werner herzog intensifies]

Jewel Palovak allowed me
to listen to the audio.

I hear rain, and I hear Amie,
"Get away, get away, go away."

Can you turn it off?

Jewel, you must never listen to this.

I know Werner.
I'm never going to.

And you must never look at the photos
that I've seen at the coroner's office.

- I will never look at them.
- Yeah.

They said it was bad.

Now you know why no one's gonna hear it.

I think you, you should not keep it.
You should destroy it.

Yeah?

I think that's what you should do.

>>2838384
What a pair of pussies

>>2836984
Because of the failure worship. The fundamental ethos of any kind of /out/ is to do the thing and keep doing it, due to being alive. Any dumb cunt can get chopped on a mountain or in the wilderness. The trick is to come back.
See also 'hurr he died what he loved doing, climbing, the brotherhood of the rope durr.....'
no anon died hitting the ground, something he had tried to avoid for many years since he first learned to tie in.

>>2830740 (OP)
Both

>>2836260
This guy's Wikipedia page makes him sound like a cocky asshole
>>2836859
It makes for a cautionary tale, but that sells way fewer copies

>>2831002
The retardation flowing off the one on the right is actually visible in this pic

>>2836828
de berr iz ghei

>>2836260
>I keep thinking of all the shotgun shells I threw away about two months ago. Had five boxes and when I kept seeing them sitting there I felt rather silly for having brought so many. (Felt like a war monger.) So I threw all away ... but about a dozen ... real bright. ... Who would have known I might need them just to keep from starving?

— Carl McCunn, diary excerpt

>>2838705
>Felt like a war monger.
I'm glad nature devoured him desu

>>2831002
He was a retard but he didn't deserve such a horrific end

>>2836078
good breakdown, after having watched Season 1 of Alone per anon suggestions from this thread, I can see that this guy was a delusional romantic type, not a pragmatic survivalist, combined with whatever self-perceived familial and relationship, he went full autist into proving something purely in his head, I don’t think he was subconsciously seeking suicide as others have suggested, he was naive and didn’t have the actual skills for /out/, the Alone S1 show did a good job selecting people with well matched survival skills, who showed that present minded practical mindset is more important than larping about Tolstoy when in the middle of nowhere

>>2836896
lol faggot

>>2830740 (OP)
Both. He overextended himself and made a bunch of mistakes but he had survived by himself for a long time up until that point and was by all accounts happy. How many of us can say the same?

>>2836260
Just so I know, what’s the right way to signal that you’re in distress?

>>2839493
Enjoy the next 6 seasons, skip season 5 tho.
It should be required watching, it shows exactly what happens as you starve to death slowly in isolation and how extremely difficult it is for moderns to hunt and gather in the uninhabited parts of the world. Most HGs that lived up there either followed vast herds or set up at a particularly productive fishing spot. No real other options long-term. I'm skeptical that even the top tier contestants could have managed a full winter.

As for OP: lot of pointless hate-offs in this thread. Guy was clueless, the easily-inspired pop culture crowd that's just as clueless found him an inspiring tragic figure, anons who hate anything popular have bile, at least some can take a balanced view.
Never watched the movie or read the book because he was clearly clueless in the trailers. I see he had some family trauma, so I guess it makes sense. Sad story, don't personally see the need to piss on his grave further than that.

>>2839559
Active the sos function on your PLB
Double gunshot
Three fires in a triangle
SOS smoke signals.
If you're in absolute bumfucktu good luck if satellites can't help. There probably no one within ten miles of you.

>>2839573
Apparently for a rescue helicopter it’s waving both arms above your head, crossing them, and then back to your side or making a big Y-shape with your arms.

>>2830808
NOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO GET PAID THE EQUIVALENT OF $800,000 A YEAR IN TODAYS MONEY FOR OPERATING MICROSOFT EXCELL I DON'T WANT AN $80,000 HOUSE I'M A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE

Why was gen x like this?

>>2839559
instead, this dumbass happily waved with one hand and then casually walked towards his tent
>"I recall raising my right hand, shoulder high and shaking my fist on the plane's second pass. It was a little cheer – like when your team scored a touchdown or something. Turns out that's the signal for 'ALL O.K. – DO NOT WAIT!' It's certainly my fault I'm here now! ... Man, I can't believe it. ... I really feel like a klutz! Now I know why nobody's shown up from that incident."

>>2839594
they wanted to be work-free hippies as their parents

>>2839594
they were raised by boomers

>>2839559
Shut your phone down. Reactivate. When it asks your pin, enter 112 (in Europe, I'm guessing 911 in the US, verify this). Your phone will send out a distress call even with no wifi).

1 hand in the air= I'm ok. 2 hands in the air= I need help.

Find a suitable landing spot for the heli. Mark it with a high-vis jacket or tarp (if you wear camo), weigh it down with a rock if possible. Keep your distance.

When in trouble, call out 6x/minute with a minute rest in between. To respond to an emergency request, call out 3x/minute with a minute rest in between.

the thing that makes me the most sad about mccandless is that he shows there's no escape. you're locked in no matter what you do. you stay at home and pop a bullet in your head, you are just a casualty within the system. I think of suicides like that like the worker bees who die in the hive. IIRC there's a part of the hive that's built so that bees can discard all the trash, those dead bees get expelled through that. they are processed.
are you angry and you commit something horrible on your way out? you become part of a narrative of the crazy weirdo boogeyman. you either make a case toward the screening of people who aren't 100% adapted and complacent, tightening the system even further. you do something like mccandless or something particularly eccentric like that, they make a movie about you and people on reddit make threads about you and buy the soundtrack of the movie. It was the same with Treadwell. Oh Mr Herzog is making a documentary. Exquisite. Was he retarded? Oh but there was poetry in it wasn't there? Bravo Mr Herzog clap clap
No matter what you do, your life is a product, you don't really own it and you don't own your own history. You are not contributing to anything. You are never reaching out anyone. You are processed like food. No matter what you do with your life, it's going to get repackaged into a product and made useful to the system in whichever way it can be used. You will always be useful to the system in some way and help sustain it before you will ever change someone directly, and even if you do those lives you'll change are processed the same way.

>>2839861
Best to not ruminate on it.
Overanalyzing life leads to depression.
Silencing the part of the mind that talks/plans/worries leads to serenity.

I recall being in Asia, seeking meditative zen. I kept seeking out mountaintops to get away from people, but the difficulty of getting up them left me with little time to relax, and the insistence on being far removed made peace in daily life categorically impossible.
The most memorable moment of calm came one night when I drove down from a mountain and just rode through traffic on busy city streets focusing on only the helmet in front of me. One in particular, a woman with a white helmet with a little laser etched sticker in back shining as we drove through the turn of a large round about...
It was a pointless moment, analytically, but I'll remember it for many years. I found a piece of zen there that escaped me in nature.
When you have quieted your mind and entered the moment, the smallest details bring joy as to a child, because it is the happy child that has been buried by traumas and adult concerns. Relaxing is all that's needed.

thanks for the story, chatgpt

>>2839861
>no escape
You can't escape death but you can sometimes beat death by living

>>2839937
Very nice but see, I'm in Europe. The more I age the more I envy American rednecks.
Taxes taxes taxes. I can't even brag about free healthcare anymore because they made it so that it's only free if you're brown. We're reaching levels of cuck that shouldn't be possible. I can't even imagine what it's like in the UK

>>2839861
>>2839937
> "It is not death a man should fear, but rather, never beginning to live." - M. Aurelius