I'm trying to seriously learn about photography as art, and I'm reading, but I just don't get it
Take A Sea of Steps for instance, I'm reading this primer and it says:
>"Remarkable for its composition and sense of light and space, the photograph conveys the climbing up the stairs, as if analogous to ascending toward the divine serenity symbolized by the illuminated archway"
>"he vertical lines of the columns rise out of the curve of the steps that seem to flow and swell like ocean waves; what Evans' called "a sea of steps."
Like, I don't get it. I just don't get composition, what they mean by form and structure, I DON'T GET IT

time to try something else - this clearly isn't for (You)

>expecting anyone actually educated to post here
lmao

>>4406357 (OP)
There's a lot of sad sacks that live on this board. They are truly terrible at photography, and love putting people down. I would suggest you ignore them.

>>4406357 (OP)
Soft light, that goes from dark to light as you move up the stairs.

Dont hurt your brain too much. This picture is boring. It's just stairs and pillars that someone with more skill than the photographer made. The description is just gobbledy gook that some stuck up art student scribbled down to fill a page. It doesn't even have any color. Boring.

>>4406357 (OP)

Art =looking for more than just the exact thing in the photo.

This is also where all the memes come from because you can literally just make any claim whatsoever about extra meaning.

>>4406357 (OP)
1/3
Ok, I'm in a good mood, I really love the photo and I got some time so I'll bite. I can comment on it.
>tl;dr It guides your eye, it is 3 dimensional, it tells a story, it has sublime lighting, low contrast helps, and the location is great.

I've been a photographer for some 25 years, but I earn my living being a professional, nationally recognized arch-viz 3d artist working in the top studio. Setting up lights and looking for compositions is what I have done for a living for a very long time. Let me turn on my autism for a moment, even though I think that over-analyzing art is very gay.

Look at my picrelated. Now look at OP pic. See how the photographer in OP has managed to turn a setting that says absolutely nothing at all other than "nice old building" at first glance in my picrelated, into a statement. Compare these 2 photos. How he looked around the room and chose that portal, those columns, and that part of the stairs inb my pic, and then framed it like OP pic. I can give you the autistic analysis why it works, but going by it is missing the point, like playing a solo over a song, going through scales mechanically, instead of by feel.

>>4406914
2/3
So why this photo works
Lighting:
Lighting makes or breaks a photo. Lighting literally does most of the heavy lifting in my field of work, not the detailed high poly models or the most realistic material shaders. Composition can be ok, but lighting must be superb. It's the classic "difficult to make stuff look good at noon" thing. In the OP pic the light is very pleasant and subtle (I imagine a slight overcast and a lot of bounced light). The diagonal that's formed on the bottom half of the photo, notice how it goes from dark to light very smoothly, how the foreground is in the dark and goes smoothly brighter. This is a trick that just works so often, darker foreground/bottom edge, be it a stone, bush or a river in a nature photo, a ledge, top of a sofa, whatever. How in the darker foreground only the rolled edges of the stairs are brightly accented by the light (accents are nice), gradually switching the same darks&highlights when going up the stairs. How the light suddenly goes brighter in front of, and dims under the portal, leaving the old stairs looking literally like waves at sea, then it goes brighter again through the portal. And the second white portal behind the first one just fits so well in that part of the composition. That clear white element looks very pleasing to the eye in an otherwise low contrast photo. How the front plane of the portal and pillars is dark and on the right edge of the photo they turn bright along with the rising stair-diagonal of the mid-photo.

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>>4406915
>>4406916
3/3
Composition:
The diagonal that goes through the middle of the photo in a smooth arc, just the right size and angle. The horizontal, square stairs juxtaposed with the round vertical pillars. The pillars aren't too much, it's a small portion of the photo, just enough, the plain wall near them gives some separation and breathing room between the vertical and horizontal elements. The portal put in the upper left third being just the right size, see how he has managed to frame the second portal in the first one. Now a heavyweight compositional element here that makes it good is having 3 distinct planes: serene foreground-plane stairs, the mid-plane with the portal & pillars providing the "action", and the brighter far-plane providing context and guiding the eye. It's leading somewhere. It tells a story. I use the 3 plane approach literally all the time when creating scenes from absolutely nothing, as clients usually only give me house/building/object drawings or a model and I have to make the world around it, if I'm not merging it into a real photo, video, or a drone shot. That 3 plane approach works in many scenarios, landscape, architecture, people, whatever.

And bottom line - it's just a nice piece of old architecture. I'm pretty confident that the photographer thought consciously very little of what I just wrote. I've trained people, and have the art-school students come get their job credits at our studio, I'm also a musician, play a few instruments and write lyrics, so in regard of getting the 'arts' or not getting it - what I have noticed over the years is that you either have "it", or you don't. The "it" being sense of beauty, a feel for the composition, flow, arts. You either got it in you or you just don't, and that's usually evident at a young age. If you don't have it - go be a car mechanic or work at an office or something, else you'll be miserable. For your own hobbies - don't let nobody ever stop you.

>>4406919
>>4406916
>>4406915
>>4406914
Yeah no but nice try, subverter. Here's how it works in reality. I glance at a picture on my phone and if it is boring it is a bad picture. It's that simple.

>>4406914
>>4406915
>>4406919
I listened to "When I Get Home You're So Dead" while reading this

>>4406948
>>4406950
Capped for others' convenience.

>>4406914
Thanks for contributing quality content.

>>4406919
Appreciate your post. High quality contribution.

But the "it" that you've either got or you don't, it can be trained. But it takes thousands of hours and either a lot of dedicated study, or a lot of unguided flailing around and thousands of hours more.

You typically see people develop that capability to produce aesthetic art at two points in life: either when they're young and still in school, or when they're old after retiring. Because once you get into the grind of daily work and adult life, it just takes too much energy to spend those thousands of hours needed to develop it.

And again, look at people who develop artistic ability in school: you can generally recognize two points in young people's lives where they develop that ability. Either they develop it very early in life, like in the first couple years of grade school, and that's usually because they're doing art with their parents or their parents are paying for art classes, OR they develop it in high school (usually the second two years), when a teen starts developing independent initiative and pursues what interests them.

The exception might be autists. Either they're born with brains wired to just naturally pump out the right ratios and patterns to be aesthetic, or they aren't and they can never move beyond center-framing their subject (advanced autists will use rule of thirds) without any regard to other compositional elements, recognition of aesthetic ratios, visual rhythm, weighting elements, etc. (I think this is why Sony G Master lenses and high-megapixel cameras are so popular for autists and this board in general -- you can just center frame your subject, open the lens up, and you'll have a nice-looking picture with lots of detail, and why this board is so pessimistic about m43 -- technically inferior photos, but with artistic elements (that autists struggle to produce or recognize), still create very pleasing photos).

>>4406357 (OP)
>Like, I don't get it. I just don't get composition, what they mean by form and structure, I DON'T GET IT
anon can you visualize a rotating apple in your mind? how would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning? post hand.

>>4406919
>just the right size and angle
>just right
This is how you can identify wank. "it's just right" is not a category, it doesn't mean anything, it tells you nothing. If you can't explain _why it's right you have failed in explaining. the whole post is just hot air. if you're saying "you either got it or you don't, kid" - thats a pretty surefire sign you don't got it. the only skill you developed is to talk like you did.

>>4407146
>le mental disability is why no one likes m43
Its because of the gross colors and unnatural contrast. Even film, as inferior as it is, looks better than that shit. Color, lighting, and contrast are the most important photo specs, and low res and low DR digishits throw them away entirely resulting in trashy and fake looking photography.

This cam be exploited when photographing prostitutes but even terry usually used a canon 5d!

>>4407146
>its another NERDS CANT ART
Nerds aka autists are the only people actually producing art. All the art you think was made by good looking normal people was made by a smaller amount of autistic jewish guys behind the scenes.

Look at historical painters and any serious auteur, they are all autistic and always have been. Science isnt a thing due to autism machine brains, science is an offshoot of autists getting bored and the dispassionate machine brained behavior in science and engineering comes from normies who lack the savant/schizo-like mind of an autistic person.

The people who only see a sharpness chart are the normies. G master lenses exist for normies. Autistos perceive so much extra they overload and start flapping their hands.

>>4407240
The truth no mft user can face.

>>4407146
What? The socially inept autists here are all the ones obsessing over their film gear. Autists always head off to LF film eventually.

Everyone I see on the internet and know IRL with a G master or canon L and canon a7r5ii is a huge fucking normie, no more autistic than a "car guy" (so not autistic at all, just a gearhead and competitive spender) and usually into photography as a side hustle instead of as photography. Like "its a living" event photography, and doing lens reviews to score free gear and ad revenue. Want autistic photography? Garry Winogrand was notoriously autistic, for instance. Such a huge autist he overanalzyed a half dozen wide angle primes and settled on a little known canon 28mm f3.5 and obsessed over the interplay between shooting and developing. Ansel Adams was notoriously autistic.

You have seen car guys, and thought they were autists
Autists would be rejected by any group of car guys

As someone into photography instead of a side hustle I find mid-tier zooms, not L/GM zooms or L/G/GM/S/whatever primes, are actually the best because their rendering is very close to european made prime lenses from the 80s and 90s. Good enough, as good as anyone has ever needed, but not obnoxiously perfect. Neutral colors that are easy to work with, non-fucked contrast.

Tamron and sigma zooms are an absolute no. The only ones i've ever had strongly emphasized high midtones and deepened shadows so everyone looked like a wax statue. The tamron 28-75 f28 II is the absolute fucking worst here, looks like a 12 year old played with curves to make every photo dramatic. GM lenses usually look gross. The 35mm f1.4 and 24mm f1.4 GM look extremely gross.

>>4407240
Half of that is the lenses, the rendering between the 20mm f1.7 and 20mm f1.7 ii is obvious when you use both. Tones too bad to fix on the v1. Use any fucking $80 nikkor and receive better results.

>>4407236
>>4407240
>>4407241
>>4407246
holy samefag seethe

>>4406384
>>4406862
You don't have to comment on every thread. If you don't know the answer, move along. No need to be hateful.

>>4407188
>he actually believes unsourced unproven pol shitposts

>thread entirely about the artistic component of photography
>STILL has gearfags

>>4407536
kys faggot

>>4407536
You don't have to comment on every reply. If you don't like the reply, move along. No need to be a fag.

>>4407566
>>4407568
Just trying to help you :)

>>4407571
Likewise :^)

>>4406357 (OP)
>shape and structure
Form is a synonym of shape, give or take.
Structure means the organization of objects.
An object in this context might be a line (or something resembling a line), a gradient (or something resembling a gradient), a shape (...), a color, or what have you, and structuring means organizing them in the frame to make up a picture.
>organization aka composition
You can organize these objects in any way you want, the simple fact that there's an organization will generally make a picture look """better""" than one without any sort of organization.
An easy composition consists of lining up things.
Think of a pedestrian scene with three people - you can take a few steps to move to a position where those three people look aligned in the frame, even if they're not aligned in reality.
Many elements of the picture can be aligned, and not necessarily in the same way.
Think of a field where only three trees are planted, each one bigger than the other - you can wait until the sun is positioned so that the tallest tree is also the brightest one, the middle one is only partly illuminated, and the smaller one is in the shadows, so two linear relationships of size and brightness that go in the same direction, but you can also organize these things in different ways, like having these relationships go in opposite directions.
>how to practice
You start slowly, only organizing a few things at first, and the more time passes the more you start noticing ways in which you can organize other things as well.
Posts about autism, imagination and armchair psychology were made by ignorant philistines and can safely be ignored.

>>4407575
Wrong. Geometry and patterns don't add meaning an image.

>>4407546
>People talk about what they (think they) know.
When specsheets, hype, and prices is all they can wrap their heads around...

>>4407578
>mean
I didn't say anything about geometry or patterns adding meaning to an image.

>>4407578
>>4407725
What measurement of a good photo is "meaning" anyway? Picrelated.

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>>4407732
Can I take the same shot with my phone?
Did I walk up to something and click button?
Is it just pretty to look at?
Do I rely on the look of an image for it to be "good"?
Am I photographing something man-made or incredibly mundane like a rock or a twig thet fell off a tree?
Are the only things I can say about an image is that it looks cool/nice/pretty?


Answer yes to any of those and your picture is not artistic or "good"

>>4407737

>>4407740
Brother, I know.

But "seriously" that poor boomer and his GWAC-core rockwellian normie tourist trap snapshit is about the most boring and meaningless thing ever documented. It's literally a rock wall that some water eroded. Woooooaaahhhh! The piss flowing out of my dick is more interesting. You know many rocks and how much water is on planet earth? Yeah. A lot.

>>4407742
I don't even know that location or that photographer, I just googled abstract photos to make a point, I could've chosen oil on water with pleasing colors and composition just the same, or out of focus shots or anything else. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder. It's a nice location and a nice photo. Btw >>4407740 isn't laughing with you, but @ you.

But sure, let's see Paul Allen's meaningful photos then.

>>4407748
Very likely excuse coming from a debased neophyte of the true arts.

My advice to you and you >>4407740 is to read a book and maybe you'll figure out something meaningful and artistic to CREATE.

>>4407756
No Paul Allen's meaningful photos then?

>>4407757
I don't waste my time with chumps that have two first names, and I ESPECIALLY do not waste my time posting ANY PICTURE on here.

How about you post one of his snapshits and I will talk all sorts of shit about it.

>>4407760
I accept your concession. We can now get back on track with our discussion regarding >>4406357 (OP)

THESE ARTLESS FOOLS. If I beat someone over the head with PURE ART and RAW MEANING they would still be taking snapshits and meaningless pictures.

>>4407767
It was pleasure defeating you in the arena of art and ideas. I hope you have a wonderful day.

>>4407769
Lets see your raw meaning… and hope you dont mean uncooked goat placenta

>>4407772
Beg me a little more and I'll consider casting pearls before swine.

ok bye narcissist

>>4407737
Beauty is one of the primary goals of art, so there's no reason a pretty landscape can't be artistic. Capturing the beautiful countryside has long been fodder for the painter and the photographer has followed in that tradition for 150 years. I also think by the time I'm old and grey many will accept phone photos as art, even though it irks me. The reality is photography is always going to be about subject matter to most people. An interesting looking geographic formation or animal behavior photographed in high quality and at a good angle with good composition will always be something people like. Photos of people doing things or sitting for formal portraits will always be something people like. But what separates art from image generation is the photographer's sense, the choices they make for the photos. Many people can paint, few can paint in a unique style. Many can take pictures, few can photograph.

>>4407780
Pretentious drivel and normie tier copetography. Sounds like you have a major case of GWAC syndrome with a side of boomer. No meaning, no art. Simple as. Eye candy is for the masses, the sheep. Art is for the select few that truly understand, appreciate, and create true meaningful works. I get it. You? Maybe not so much. Try reading a book. It will help you oh so very much.

>>4407794
Is this the pig guy again? Still mad? Or is it zach?

>>4407796
Great guesses, purse boi.

>>4407796
Is that the nophoto /p/ schizo I got warned about when I asked about /p/'s lore?

>>4407807
Thst guy posts plenty of photos. Seems to me like the nophoto is the one that gets really mad at him and me. I don't think he likes dogs very much...

>>4407796
idk if he's any of those but he's in other threads dismissing any photos that aren't "meaningful". still don't know what that means because he's given 0 examples

>>4407811
His posts, ironically, lack meaning.

>>4407811
I would probably trust his opinion more if he could show me a picture that he thought had meaning. Doesn't he realize how worthless his opinion is when he can't back it up with a photo?

>>4407737
This is about only one of the many comically wrong points you made, but by your description a picture is artistic or not depending on what you personally say about it .
Can you understand why that has 100% to do with your subjective taste and 0% to do with the picture?
You might argue that you're only going to have nice things to say about artistic pictures and not about those that are "just pretty to look at", but if you don't have objective criteria to use it is just your subjective taste.
>>4407780
Art at large hasn't been concerned with beauty in any capacity since the 1910s, see Dada and conceptual art.

>>4407830
There is no objectivity in the arts, autism-o. I am the final arbiter of all art. If I say it is artistic, it is. If I say it is shit, it is. Do I need to explain myself in an intelligent or articulate manner? NO. I am the bringer of light and the great revealer of ALL THINGS ART.
You know I've read books?

>>4407774
You have nothing for anyone, don't kid yourself.

>>4407888
See
>>4407869

Your eyes would cum rainbow waterfalls right before exploding from your head if I showed you even one tenth of my power. It's a great responsibility to wield, but I am more than suited for it, unlike you, kid.

>>4407896
I'll believe it when I see it.

Which means I'll never believe it. See how that works?

>>4407908
>inb4 another variation of smug dismissal

>>4407911
That's my shtick of course I will smugly dismiss you. So proud you're finally figuring things out here! Did you take my advice and read a book to take better pictures of meaning?

>>4407913
You have not demonstrated any "meaning" or understanding of anything, but you've certainly demonstrated a need for validation. Got any more reasons why no one should take you seriously?

>>4407916
Heh, says the photo-less nophoto. Don't you know I have multiple threads up at this very moment that have major and significant accolades?

>>4407921
Does your dad also work for Nintendo?

>>4407924
Denial is but one step in the grieving process. We can get there together. You just need to trust me. I suggest reading a book.

>>4407925
Are you on HRT?

>>4407930
Anger is another step in the grieving process. We all take the trip in different ways. It's okay, my art-less brother.

>>4407932
It's not surprising that you're so familiar with the grieving process. You must go through it every time someone expects you to back up your words.

>>4407941
We all go through grieiving periods as humans, sweet child. You seem to be stuck at anger. It's a tough one to get past.

>>4407951
Are you ready to prove that you're worth listening to, or do you only have more meaningless drivel?

>>4407957
I will ask you the same question as I hold my hand out invitingly for you to take. Are you ready to grow artistically and learn how to speak meaning into your picture taking, my son?

>>4407959
You made the first claim, so the burden has been on you all this time. Since you have have shown nothing, you've only gotten the stupid responses that you deserve. Would you like to project your own anger some more?

>>4407959
>/lgbt/

>>4407961
Ah, yes! Classic autism! The inability to recognize others emotion correctly.

They say an autistic has potential to become an artist. I'm here for you.

>>4407965
This has obviously upset you if you're having this much trouble letting go. If you stopped bullshitting people and derailing threads, you wouldn't have to be called out on your faggotry.

>>4407966
Wait, a nophoto that has retarded opinions is just pure faggotry? Really?

Another thread ruined by leo’s owner. Can we make a deal with /an/ to trade him for the schizophrenic fish photographer?

>>4407969
They just took the bait, like they always do. Nice cope tho.

I'm pretty much done anyways. I was just making sure I was right about something, and I was.

>>4407969
I actually got more answers and entertainment than I was even expecting. Sorry if you got angry. It had to be done.

>>4407971
That you’re an irritating sped with a massive ego?

When all you do is insult people and claim to be amazing you make people not want to post photos in your vicinity. You’re a nasty person. Micro four thirds equivalence poster levels of dumb. Please go back to ruining /an/ instead of ruining /p/.

>>4407971
Get your worthless ass out of here, you low-functioning narcissist.

>>4407978
Here's what you don't get. If you act like a retard I will treat you like one. Act like a normal person I will treat you like one. Go look. It's exactly what I do.

I was fully and entirely ready to admit my pictures sucked in comparison to anyone else's if someone posted something better, but nope. Just the lamest excuses.
My nophoto crab bucket brigade has a much bigger ego than me because they think it is wrong for me to disagree with their weakly formed opinions and simply because they are talking and say so. It is insane and my posting in these threads proved that for a fact.

>>4407978
Who is this poster?

>>4407980
Remember when he got all the constructive criticism ie: clean your negatives, try having a discernible subject, and he said "i dont care, do better than me! wheres your 8x10 monorail camera? i dont have to improve im better than you because im a gear queer"
Oh everyone does

>>4407984
I mostly post large format stuff in fgt. I bought a new camera recently so all my trolls come out and shit on me. It happens every single time.

>>4407983
Oh, the narcissism!

You’re not in control of shit here. You’re just a horrible poster who cant take a basic photo and cant take the most basic criticism. I realize now huskyfag isnt you. He was making fun of you.

>>4407985
Yep. When someone tells me something stupid I will tell them they're stupid. I don't give a damn about shitty and low IQ criticism. Just like every person on here.

>>4407984
Its the guy who took the terrible goat placenta picture, excuses every mistake by saying he doesnt care about ____ or it was just a snapshot, and thinks his blurry, dirty test shots are gods gift to mankind.

His absolute peak was a very poorly shot dead butterfly.

>>4407986
I haven't seen your photos, just your behavior.

Starting fights and then blaming the other person - a classic trait of narcissism.

>>4407988
>i dont give a damn *has a meltdown in 5 different threads*
leave for our sake and yours. and please dont take this out on that new husky mutt. she deserves better.

>>4407987
Yeah, you can't even comprehend what I'm saying in any reasonable manner. Very typical.

I will gladly say when someone is a better photographer than me. There's plenty in fgt and in rpt. I need to see their work to say that.

Saying your photo is shit, your photo is bad, you suck is not real criticism. Especially when they can't even post a single photo that shows they even know how to use a camera!

>>4407990
Go look in the MF look thread if you so desire. I posted some of my nice black and white shots in there.

I was mainly posting example shots that I thought demonstrated the MF look when my stalker trolls started attacking me.

>>4407990
I did not start the fight in the MF look thread. Yeah, maybe I did here, but I was just proving a point to myself. My point is proven so I'm done acting like a nophoto faggot.

>>4407986
You only started posting more because you bought a new camera (classic gearfag notphotog pattern, get bored buy and shoot more)
You get shit on every time you post a photo because your photos are really poorly done with awful pallid yellow green colors and absolutely no composition. Often no identifiable subject.
And then you insist you are being stalked by muh m43 tranny guy from /an/ because someone knew your dogs name and that it dives into puddles of crap, as if theres no way /p/ has more than one /an/ fag on it, and in the midst of this schizophrenia you demand people post for you to prove basic criticism like "improve your puke colors" holds weight

And then they dont because they dont want you to accuse them of being this zoophile stalker that doesnt exist.

Repeat. Your problem is you cant take criticism unless everyone plays your game and acknowledges your nonexistent importance first, and then proves themselves worthy of telling you that your photo is ass.

>>4407994
You quoted the same post twice, retard.
>My point is proven so I'm done acting like a nophoto faggot.
See >>4407908

>>4407995
This is all entirely incorrect head canon and pure cope, but you do you. Also I've admitted like 50 times I suck at color editing.

The same nophoto that always talks shit to me referenced a post that was years old and constantly accuses me and huskyfag of dog abuse. Okay. Not a stalker. Just some obsessed loser. Whatever you want to call it.

>>4407996
Look, if I upset you or annoyed you I honestly apologize and I'm not going to post like that ever again. I was just trying to see something and I saw it. No need for me to continue being a retarded nophoto.

Normal person reaction to being told their photo sucks
>oh? i see, no subject. haha thanks im new at this.
Narcissist reaction to being told their photo sucks
>YOU THINK YOU’RE BETTER THAN ME? PROVE IT. IM GREAT. THIS IS DEEP AND MEANINGFUL. YOU CANT BEAT ME. YOURE PROBABLY THAT GUY FROM THE DRIVE THRU WHO SAID I SOUND GAY. POST IT. LETS SEE HOW GREAT YOU ARE.

>>4407998
You dont have a stalker

There’s dozens of people who post on /an/ and /p/. Accusing you of fucking your dog is a minor meme on /an/ because you’re a fag and they don’t like you. Its not all one guy.

>>4408000
>I was just trying to see something and I saw it.
Uh huh, now go look up how to tie a noose.

>>4408000
>it wuz a social experiment. i was just messin.
dude you ruined like half the board having a meltdown because you got accurately named as a nonartistic GWAC

>>4408003
Fine just an obsessed schizo. Literally the same person every time. Not hard to tell from how they posted.

>>4408002
I happily accept real criticism, but I also defend my photographs. Entirely reasonable thing to do. If a nophoto had something intelligent to say I wouldn't ask them to post a photo.

>>4408005
Cope.

>>4408004
Projection.

>>4408004
Disgustingly nasty person thing to suggest. Thank you for proving my point.

>>4408009
Boo fucking hoo! Try being less deserving next time.

>>4408010
See
>>4408009

>>4407757
I've got some brilliant photos inside Dorsia

>>4408007
>im being stalked by one guy
This is why no one will ever post a photo for your legitimately insane ass. One person calls your dog dumb and now any detractor (and you suck at this so you have a lot) has to worry about you pinning some convoluted /an/ schizophrenia on them.
>Zomg its flanders! I’m flanders! -sent from the morrison museum of natural history, in australia

>>4408017
I cannot convince you of anything. I will let you know that you sound stupid.

It isn't always one person, but for a while it was mainly one guy. The guy was constantly posting the same posts about how I abuse my dog in every thread and even changed his name to the worse version of "German shepherd guy abuses his dog" for a while. Go cope somewhere else.

>>4408017
To add to this that guy only went into hiding because the REAL people from /an/ that know me from over there told him to fuck off and backed me up. A fact that you clearly missed out on or purposefully ignore for some reason.

>>4408019
Or maybe, people laughed when you got mad at it because you’re a stuck up narcissist who thinks his snapshits cant be improved unless ansel adams himself politely recommends a change (and ONLY if that change isnt making decent scans, because digital is bad even though its all you post), and multiple people copied a funny troll that got a lolcow going

In any case you think you are being stalked by one or even two people on 4chan, unless you doxed them and sent them death threats, you are being trolled by 10-20 people. You are not important. You are just easily trolled because you’re a shit photographer and serial gearfag with a huge ego. And no sense of composition, pride, or shame. Any attention seems to be good attention.

>>4408021
Do you have any idea how insane you sound right now? You got trolled by a meme you actual main character syndrome schizo.

Maybe you do fuck the whole farm with how defensive you are and how obsessed you are with the accusation

>>4408022
Essay of hyperbolic cope. I truly hope it helps you sleep at night.

I'm not going to stop posting my pictures. :)

>>4408023
Idk what to tell you. It happened. Sorry if that hurts you.

>THEY KNEW SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC
>*links it*
>everyone knows it now
>I AM BEING STALKED
what is it? what is the specific? his dog swim in da poo poo puddle. bro thinks he was being stalked because somehow someone knew his dog rolled in poop!
>gets called a dogfucker forever because he always responds
lmao this idiot. i believed huskyfags because the schizo that didnt like him definitely had some odd material and they seemed to know each other but this is just dumb.

>>4408036
You know you just sound stupid screaming like that, right? It's pretty funny actually.

Time for a reminder of who is posting
Remember this is his digital """work""" so there isn't shit on the negative and he got as many tries as he needed to get something he thought was good. You can guess how good the film stuff is.
>The guy who took this thinks he is important enough to stalk

Doghair masterpiece no. 1: Worm in a puddle of something brown and foamy

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Doghair masterpiece no. 2: If you squint, you might see what it is

>>4408043
Man, I bet that leaf to the left would've been interesting. Too bad he focused on the ugly ground.

Doghair masterpiece no. 3: Goat placenta

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Doghair masterpiece no. 4: "I hope my buddy doesn't realize I left burrs in his dogs fur because i was too busy buying cameras on ebay and playing with my new toys"

>>4408044
>>4408043
The obsession is real. I appreciate you proving me right yet again.

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Doghair masterpiece no. 5: That poor cat

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>>4408048
Doghair masterpiece no. 6: Proof a great location can make for a bad photograph

All complete and utter snapshots.

>>4408046
Are you fucking with the colors or did it always look like this? Really harsh and unpleasant, and the OOF areas are unpleasant.

>>4408047
>>4408044
>>4408043
These are just examples shots I posted. They're nothing special and I never said they were. I posted them to demonstrate the MF look in the MF thread.

>>4408046
Why was the main criticism of this image to get closer? It's definitely close enough while still creating a sense of a wide open and barren space, which is specifically and intentionally what I wanted...

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>>4408052
I don't have the proper editing software to get the color good on the raw files easily. I've said 100 times that I suck at editing colors. I have the file on my computer and can work on fixing them. It's a digital file...

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>>4408049
Another example shot used by a troll to talk shit. They must choose the absolute most low hanging fruit possible.

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Not the hecking dirty dog in a puddle. Noooooooooooo.

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The troll happily posts my own photographs, but cannot share a single of his own.

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Well, I mean it is nice to share some of my old photos, I guess. Here's a print I did.

>>4408054
This one is a wet plate colloidion 4x5.

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This one has some meaning I guess. I took it while I was on a sailboat.

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I used to be a street photography fag with a leica and pushed trix lol. Now I run a farm in the country.

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Sorry the numbers are backwards. You can fix that easy if you look at the pic in a mirror.

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Another street fag shot. I sort of miss it, but I also love living in the country on my farm too much to ever return.

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The guy was talking a lot of shit about these butterfly pictures, but they were technically challenging to get right.
The DoF on a 3-5x magnification shot on 8x10 is incredibly thin and diffusion effect is exaggerated significantly when shooting at high magnification.

I even had to develop my own focusing techniques to be able to get such fine focus on the high level magnification. There was no manual or any info online about how to take these shots.

These look stunning when contact printed on azo paper with amidol developer.

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Sorry about the dirty negatives. I like the composition on this one.

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I can't find the better b&w version of this shot, but I like the color one also. This was some cool looking algae that had built up in a watering trough. Took it at night with a powerful flashlight.

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15 decent pictures that Ive taken over the years. Ill finish of with this fun one that I smashed and slammed so I could post it in the smashed and slammed thread. I think it works okay like this. Feeding time is always chaotic and it sorta captures that a little bit.

Maybe one person will give them a fair and reasonable assessment. I know they aren't that bad and maybe some of them are even okay!

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>>4408068
You… think these are decent? Hopeless dunning kruger. There just isnt any composition anywhere.

>>4408058
Its not even level

>>4408057
Center horizon is the mark of the snapshit

Of all the people who need to take the kit zoom digital lesson again this person needs to take it the most

>>4408083
>>4408074
Thanks for the insightful feedback.

>>4408083
Also hilariously rhein 2 has a center horizon.

>>4408089
If rhein 2 were neither digitally edited in the 90s nor shot by a big name it would have been forgotten. Modern art is a meta field.

>>4408087
Laid out you have the photography of someone that tried once and started snapshitting and gearfagging after getting banned from furaffinity and coming to 4chan.

>>4408094
Interesting opinion. Sorry you don't like the pics.

>>4408095
Is your fursona at least well designed?

>>4408100
Lol! You really are a silly guy. I get it. I've devoted my life to taking care of animals and giving them the best life possible in return for healthy and delicious meat and eggs to sustain my family and community. My days are spent moving sacks of grain around and trudging through mud to take care of all my animals.
I show my love for animals in a different way than furries. I own a stunningly beautiful property that feels like my own little heaven where I keep most of them. It's what I've always wanted to do.

You know I've heard the advice on here many times to take pictures of something you know a lot about and what you're truly passionate about. I like that one if you haven't heard it before. Taking compelling pictures of farm animals is pretty tough! I don't see much interesting stuff online really.

>>4408104
>taking compelling pictures of something genetically engineered to be boring in the most boring possible environment is tough
They need to actually be doing something or look cool to be compelling, and they have been bred for 10,000 years to do nothing, look contemptible, and be easy for a retarded child to kill and eat.

Horse photography is bigger than sheep photography. Dogs and cats are in more decent pictures than chickens. Even show chickens. People would rather look at parrots. Livestock rarely feature unless in unusual situations. Wonder why.

>>4408124
Have you ever owned goats, sheep, pigs, etc? If you have enough of them it can become a big headache to manage them all. A LOT can go wrong specifically because of their behavior. It isn't like raising a turtle in a terrarium, I know that has its own challenges, but he isn't climbing out because he is simply bored...

These guys bust down fences, dig under them, tear up your ground, stampede you for food, kill themselves on accident. All sorts of crazy shit. Especially goats and pigs...

>doing something or look cool
Yeah, I agree, and I do that, but you can also take a picture of an idyllic or beautiful scene including them, or cute portraits and they can be good pictures. Simply photographing cool looking animals is not too interesting to me. I prefer trying to convey emotion through my animal pictures. My favorites always make me feel something more than "cool" or "woah" when I look at them. I think this is lost on the majority of people without a deep connection to them, but idk... lots of people like animals.

The owner of these horses thought this pic was pretty sweet. I need to find an example of what I'm talking about. Sorry for the bad pic.

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>>4408127
>horse photo is automatically better than pig photo
who cares how destructive pigs are
they are inherently unaesthetic.

>>4408131
Those are just arbitrary opinions that you, and admittedly many normies hold. Pigs are cute and chunky little bastards. Their eyes are also freakishly human like, which can be interesting for pictures.
I love my pigs for the most part and think most of them are cute, especially the little ones.

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>151 posts ITT
>only 6 are on topic, pretty much 2 people and a based screencap anon
>>4406914
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>>4407089
>>4407575
>rest is ... I don't know what the fuck this is and wtf you idiots are doing, but this board is a complete shithole
Re-evaluate your lives

>>4408134
We have moved on to discuss the aesthetics of various farm animals.

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>>4408136
All of your photos are shitty, middle-school level snapshots so simmer down. This thread was off to a good start before the two of you literally sperged out. Did you grow up completely unsocialized at your farm? You are weird and you don't know how to behave or read the room.

>>4408139
You're just angry, but I appreciate you sharing your opinion. Now take a chill pill.

What farm animal do you think is the most aesthetic?

>>4408139
Also can you show me what you think a really great farm animal picture is? Not your own if you dont want to, but just one in general. Of goats or something maybe. No humans allowed.

So I found a MFA gradute that has a series on farm animals. Is this really all that much better than my pics? I guess she photographs a bunch of rescue animals in her series, so it has more to say than mine, but still.

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>>4408153
I mean I took a very similar picture of one of my cows in the rain. Are they both just middle school pictures?

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>>4408155
>Are they both just middle school pictures?
yes, retard, a MFA means nothing more than you knew the right people to blow

>>4408153
Yeah still better than yours - way better contrast, proper camera operation, uncreative composition but at least there is composition, and having some sort of agenda brings it up a level

Do you think your blurry dirty sheep snaps would ever be hung in a rich vets office if they could get her photos instead? Really doubtful. There’s nothing else to them, not even the most basic level of visual entertainment, it’s just a sloppy photo of a thing. You should be able to see the difference between real purposeful photography and lining up snapshits. Even stephen shore could create some interest and eye drawing effect sometimes. A dust covered crooked photo of a group of sheep just doesnt do it.

Even the formulaic is still in better taste than shit thrown at the wall 99.9999% if the time.

>>4408163
Wow. Crazy opinion. Thanks! I think my sheep picture has motion to it, which was the point. You know? Feeding is a chaotic time. I tried to get that. It has some visual interest to it from the motion. I would say that's pretty fair. I was also using grainy film. Kind of a bummer you can't see the composition or intention of any of my photographs tho! Not even the cow reflection in the water? It looks great on the wall.

I don't think I edited that picture either. I wouldn't print it looking like that! How did I improperly use my camera? The picture is in focus. You know film has very high latitude, so that overexposed horn could be recovered, right??

Our two cow pics are composed almost exactly the same and I like that the shed is in the background combined with the rain in mine. I guess we have different tastes!

>>4408158
Haha, cool opinion! Thanks for sharing!

>>4408163
>>4408158
Wait, please show me a super good farm animal picture. Just one.

I get that there's a few turbo-retards & lolcows on every board, but why the fuck do you idiots have to engage with them? It's like wrestling a pig in shit - utterly pointless, both of you are covered in shit, only the pig is enjoying the process. If you'd just manage to exercise some basic self-control this thread would have 20 posts, almost all on-topic. There is no point in telling a retard that he's retarded - it just doesn't register and he's completely unable to reflect on it.

The bullshit that you engage with in here is as useful as showing your bare cock to the full moon.

>>4408172
Thanks for sharing that with us.

https://mymodernmet.com/isa-leshko-farm-animal-photos/

>>4408167
Funny that no one can even share a random example with you.

>>4408196
>https://www.isaleshko.com/about-isa-leshko
Have connections
Let your "work" be used to promote established donothings (pseudointellectual philosophers, tastemakers, and slacktivists)
Have an agenda that aligns with ashkenazi jewish liberals views because they purchased half the economy
Be 5% better than doghair

The secret sauce of success

>>4408270
Isn't this just the classic nophoto cope but a little less racist?

>>4406869
Also think the poster is trying too hard

What in the FUCK happened here

>>4409097
Some inbred dude in his farm in the middle of nowhere sperged out with the might of a stampeding cattle herd. This is why socializing your kids and sending them to school and live in a city for a few years is necessary.

>>4409097
Someone who actually takes pics posted pics. Some autistic sperg seems to have melted down over a difference in opinions.

Its all nonsense. It either feels good to look at or not.
t.painter

>>4409146
There are reasons things "feel" good or not. And those reasons can be explained and pointed out. Just like you can say music has to "feel" good and no more. You can explain why dissonant tones, diminished chords, tritones or some garbled chromatic mess don't necessarily feel good, how a random chromatic, out-of-key, out-of-tempo, sloppily technique thing a'la Derek Bailey or a small child can be very off-putting actually. And why for example "I-V-vi-IV" chord progression with in-scale melody feels very good to everyone, if a bit cliché, but feels good nonetheless. Then you can start expanding with off key chords or notes here or there to break the so called "rules" of harmony and melody and do something great and interesting.

Same applies to writing and poetry.

Same goes for lighting, color, and composition. Of course you can spout some massive bs about a piece like a stereotypical high-school art-teacher waxing embarrassing esoteric, but you can explain why something feels good and why something does not to the majority of people.

Then there are the "neurodivergent" people with random genetic differences in brain structure to the extent they may think that eating chalk sticks or crayons is good cuisine (through no fault of their own), but we're not splitting hairs here.

>>4409145
>posted pics
please dont

>>4409313
Things would have been much more interesting if the autistic sperg actually had a pair and posted a photo or two. It's more than obvious that he was being intentionally negative, and to a ridiculous extent.

>>4409318
No. The photos ITT are simply horrendous and the one who posted them is clearly dense or delusional. Or both.

>>4409355
Thank you for proving my point.

>>4409357
the *it* talked about here...... you clearly don't have it and you seem beyond help
>>4406919
>in regard of getting the 'arts' or not getting it - what I have noticed over the years is that you either have "it", or you don't. The "it" being sense of beauty, a feel for the composition, flow, arts. You either got it in you or you just don't, and that's usually evident at a young age.

>>4409592
Do you have it?

>>4409593
>acceptance
>low effort deflection

>>4409599
Oh, you don't... Okay. I thought you did, but I guess not. Oh well.

>>4409601
you don't know a single thing about me, but your ...er... capabilities ... are on full display here. keep on pouting like a teenage girl

>>4409603
Lol. You're funny and weird.

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>>4409609
Your hand is just too floppy for you to have it. Sad!

The part that makes me laugh is that not a single person out of the 2 people hating on me could intelligently verbalize any meaningful criticism or post a single photo that btfo mine. You'd think it would be soooooo easy, but I only heard excuses.
I don't expect much better from this place really. It's okay. I mean you literally posted the absolute most pretentious "criticism" of my pictures you possibly could have. It's pretty amusing actually, so thanks for amusing me.

>>4409603
Holy fuck is that Slim Shady?

>>4409604
Says Mr. Goatplacenta

>>4409629
Oh you are just super immature. Had a feeling about that one. Come back when you're a bit older. Maybe you'll get *it* after a little more life experience.

Looks like placentanon hasn't learned anything.

>>4409835
I've rarely seen a person in my 40 years with such little self-awareness. I think I can count those interactions online and offline on one or two hands. Incredible

>>4409841
>>4409835
Tremendous samefagging. One of those interactions was with your mother, and let me tell you! We got down and dirty that night. My god she is a freak.

>>4406357 (OP)
Photography is art when your image is taken with a telephoto lens (longer than 150mm) and is monochrome or very nearly so. Behold, art:
>>4406357 (OP)
not art:
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>>4406914
>>4406915
>>4406919
The black vertical columns would have totally fucked the composition desu.

>>4411104
Yes, they look atrocious nowadays, I don't know who decided to paint them. Wonder if they found traces historical paint on them or if someone decided to fly solo in which case it was a really bad idea.

I wonder how OP is doing and what the thinks of his thread.

>>4411383
It is what it is.
I just think where I would be able to find a good setting with geometric lines, neutral colors and as little people as possible.

>>4413094
OP here, I haven't learnt a single goddamn thing

>>4413658
based

and nothing of value came of this thread

>>4418119
I just wanted to learn...

bumP

>>4407146
if u get stuck trying to get good at art then take a bunch of acid over the course of a few months. u become autistic enough to be good at art.

How can I capture emotion in my photos?

>>4422534
Paste emojis on it in post.

>>4407146
Sharp lenses are for cropping so you dont have to do the asian tourist squat to frame your banal stair and corner snaps properly. That’s all it ever has been.

The news photography meta is 50mp, 24mm f2, max out shutter, crop down to 1mp if needed. no one actually uses whole 50mp photos its just a cool trick to spend less time masturbating with equipment like speedracer mcgearshifter. Elliot Erwitt was doing this stuff back in the 40s and no one noticed because 35mm film is over 100mp. Same photographic process, less spinal contortion!

>>4406357 (OP)
>Like, I don't get it. I just don't get composition, what they mean by form and structure, I DON'T GET IT
It's flowery verbose language that articulates the posh and elitist nature of art. People describing something that someone of higher standing thought looked cool to try and gain clout with them.

That's all there is too it.

> Remarkable for its composition
bland statement saying its art
> sense of light and space
the color gradient or shading if drawn, space is open white area
> ascending toward the divine serenity
When it's a photo of a church you throw in religious references

>>4406357 (OP)
>photography as art
is a cope for failed painters

see those slightly converging verticals? that partially clipped door? would you have drawn it like that? i wouldn't.

this is the most anti-intellectual ive seen this website.

>>4422932
Why would she be holding a controller if she's watching a let's play

>>4422933
its a phone

>>4422932
>photography
>intellectual
its the poster medium for arts brain permanently turning to goo.

>>4422900
>see those slightly converging verticals? that partially clipped door? would you have drawn it like that? i wouldn't.

I hang out both here on /p/ and on /ic/, I do photography and painting. Over on /ic/ there's an ongoing discussion about how contemporary painters, both figurative and abstract, can't compose for shit, and the argument is that anybody who has any interest in composition will gravitate towards photography. Painting today is all technique and zero storytelling/composition.

>https://www.newsalemmuseum.com/competitions/nsma-painting-competition-2025
Have a look here, this is not the biggest, but still a pretty big figurative painting competition, $25k prize, with some big names competing. Do you see anybody who actually cares about composition there?

I'm seriously asking, I'd like to see /p/'s take on the state of contemporary figurative painting.

The other big competition is this one, look through the different categories and tell me if you see any composition worth a damn.
>https://www.artrenewal.org/17th-arc-salon#/figurative

>>4422975
It upsets me that painters don't have to deal with the physical constrainf of DoF and diffraction limitations.

Some of those paintings just look like bad photographs.

>>4422975
>genuinely replying to one of those "isn't art" faggots
You hang around 4chan long enough you'll find every board claims nothing is art

>>4422980
But not that nothing can be art or nothing has ever been art.

It’s almost like some outside force corrupted and subverted art in the west to demoralize and fragment its people, and because the overwhelmingly christian and pagan themes and justifications that ran through it offended them. Almost like the emphasis on talent itself was bigotry.
But who would do such a thing?

Oh boy here we go

>>4422976
>Some of those paintings just look like bad photographs.
A lot of those hacks do paint from photographs, and the sad thing is their photos suck

>>4423014
pic related

>>4423122
If I was an artistè of the brush that would sort of defeat the purpose for me. Shouldn't painting be more than just a nice pic at this point?
I know some old landscape type paintings were filled with all sorts of symbolism that actually told a story or had a lot of meaning.

>>4423143
>I know some old landscape type paintings were filled with all sorts of symbolism that actually told a story or had a lot of meaning.
I'm with you. But for some reason, ateliers today are hyper-focused on technique but never teach a thing about composition, narrative and storytelling. It's like we've lost the ability to develop a narrative within a painting.

Pic related is Will St John, one of the best painters to come out of the (american) atelier system. He's represented by Saatchi Yates, holds exhibitions worldwide, and this is the shit he paints. Flawless technique, but wtf is this?

>>4418121
are you op?
if u want we can add on discord and i can try to explain stuff to you away from this shithole

The beauty of modern photography is you can do lots of planning research setup and learning or you can just shoot a lot and pick what you like and refine your talent that way.

>>4406357 (OP)
Do you like it?

If yes, it is art
If no, it is not art

No one else's opinion matters

>>4406357 (OP)
>art is an edgy phone pic with an antique instagram filter applied and a word salad description referencing religious symbolism
I hate art so much you wouldn't believe.

>>4407089
Thanks. I can disregard all the posts at once now.

>>4429493
Is this kind of thread derailment into utter shite and degeneracy common on /p/ ?

>>4432919
>he doesn’t understand chan culture
You need to go back

>>4432919
It's gotten much worse lately. It almost seems like people are purposely making things worse because they like that more than they like taking pictures. Speaking of which...
>>4432922
>"It always sucked here."
>t. the one making it worse

>>4432980
Really? I think the trolling has gone down a bit since 4chans went offline.

>>4432922
You are cancer.

>>4418121
Do you get it now? I think among all the shit and shitposts some people genuinely tried to help you

>>4406357 (OP)
Most people dont carry the gear needed to do deep focus telephoto shots so they stand out. That's it. That makes this picture visually distinct. It used to be be technically difficult to achieve. But today? Oh boy. Buy a micro four thirds, 25mm f1.8, 45mm f1.8/75mm f1.8 and you can go arting with all your gear in 2 jacket pockets. Same image quality as the legendary canon 5d III, "the first digital camera that matches film".

Now, the actual arting part is intuitive.
>Like, I don't get it. I just don't get composition, what they mean by form and structure, I DON'T GET IT
It looks like waves. But it's also stairs. In a church. Get it?
What else is there to get? If you can't just get that and interpret something from that, what are you smoking?

Most of what critics write is meant to fellate their own ego. Their mental existence is that of a man constantly sucking his own dick until he turns in on himself. Ignore them. Just look and think. The arting part is intuitive.

Wtf are the photos in this thread??? Is this retarded superautistic farmer hick for real or just a /p/ character taken too far to the territory of "not even remotely funny anymore"? What's the lore? Is this idiot a regular?

>>4439137
Nophoto trolls and one of the mft shills became obsessed with him a while back and everytime he gets a new camera they go into super overdrive trolling him.

>>4439137
/p/ degenerated into literal trash

>>4439137
he is a delusional narcissist

>>4439137
Look at how delusional and narcissistic he is. >>4437621

>>4439137
I definitely feel doghair leans into it sometimes for sure, but he really is some kind of farmer sperg turbo gearfag chuddie. In a way respect for him for blowing grandmas inheritance on 20 year old multi thousand dollar ewaste and other esoteric pricey camera gear.

>>4439137
Firstly, I am easily identifiable by my pictures. Basically a tripfag with no trip. Everyone that is someone gets harassed on here by the anklebiter nophotos. Im sure youve noticed that trend on here. People hate dogs to a mentally ill degree as well.
Sometimes when a troll says some really stupid shit to me I'll make posts from their side to see just how retarded I suspect they are. Maybe I went a little too hard in the paint this time around, but that's okay sometimes. We all like to have fun in different ways. None of my trolls have ever posted a photo. Non of them have ever btfo me with their amazing work. I remain unimpressed by both their photography and their lazy and unintelligent critiques.
The only time they ever expose themselves or become vulnerable is in their shit talking/critiques of my photos because they are far too cowardly to ever post a photo. I've heard many many unbelievably stupid things from them. Just remarkably stupid and tasteless garbage. It's actually pretty amusing and reassuring. I'm always open to fair critique. Go look in the previous fgt thread and you can see my beautiful egg picture. :D

>>4439173
Ewaste that takes better looking pictures than most of the digishit on here, yes absolutely, or is all digital ewaste? All my cameras can still be sent out for repairs.
I buy stuff that interests me and looks fun to use. Hasn't failed me yet. :D If I know I'm dealing with a nophoto trolling me I will say whatever I want to them because I am better than them. I do lean into it occasionally. It's whatever.
I havent spent that much money on cameras either. Buying a house and starting up a successful business was way more fucking expensive.

>>4439179
>Sometimes when a troll says some really stupid shit to me I'll make posts from their side to see just how retarded I suspect they are. Maybe I went a little too hard in the paint this time around, but that's okay sometimes
Are you saying that you're samefagging as your own hater to stimulate discussion about your own fucking pet photos?
Wow.
If the main critique you get is that you "care too much" about your farm animals this isn't the way to change that.

>>4439137
Here is what one of my trolls posted after getting legitimately angry at me for counter trolling him and his beloved mft camera. >>4437914 He is one of my long time trolls. He likes to say things like "we don't forget" and attempt to dox me and another dog owner.

>>4439186
No. I don't samefag. If someone says something like all pictures with a centered horizon are utter shit I'll go say that to someone posting a centered horizon picture or ask if all center horizon pictures are shit.

A troll said that you can't have a good picture if it doesn't have any meaning and that is why pictures I've posted are all bad even if they look cool or are actually good pictures. I went and posed that exact argument in this thread and it turns out troll is a retard as I suspected.

>>4439186
It's also funny because then the troll sees his exact argument or critique get absolutely torn to shreds by non-retards.

>>4439188
I think you wrote that

>>4439250
LOL. No fucking way bro. Believe what you want, but I'm telling you it was not me.

That is clearly not my writing style either.

>>4406357 (OP)
>>"Remarkable for its composition and sense of light and space, the photograph conveys the climbing up the stairs, as if analogous to ascending toward the divine serenity symbolized by the illuminated archway"
>>"he vertical lines of the columns rise out of the curve of the steps that seem to flow and swell like ocean waves; what Evans' called "a sea of steps."
>Like, I don't get it. I just don't get composition, what they mean by form and structure, I DON'T GET IT

>>4439250
He definitely wrote it

>>4406357 (OP)
You either make art, or you jibber and faff about art. Successful artists do both.

>>4446774
Cope harder. I did NOT write that.