Thread 4428318

any anon's do pet photography? I'm just starting to shift into it from doing wildlife and I'm struggling with learning how to work with artificial light and smaller spaces, I invested in a speedlight which has been a huge boon.

all with tamron 90mm macro (2nd gen)
>>4428318 (OP)
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and this one
1/250, iso 400, f/3.2

1/1250, iso 400, f/3, 90mm macro

all were exported with 2048x1080 or 1080x2048 limits on the dimensions, I went on my PC and the uploads look like shit compared to when viewed on mobile haha
1/250, ISO 400, f/3.2, 90mm macro. could've used 4-5.6 to get the eyes in focus as well. a slight tilt of the camera would've kept the tip of the ear from being clipped off too.

>>4428318 (OP)
Very nice. I would recommend starting with ceiling bounce flash. Good result and very easy to maintain good lighting on a moving subject.
I would also suggest getting an actual strobe system. They're much more powerful and let you use smaller apertures for easier focus. I have a novatron 1000 that works pretty well. Kind of a pain because it is not wireless, but whatever.

Normally I like very soft light for pets, so either a softbox or umbrella would be a good addition.
For really good pop you should try to illuminate your background more than your subject.

Composition.
Eye level is more of an intimate angle.
Above subject can be used to enhance cuteness or make subject look smaller, but you should be careful not to make your picture look like you're just standing there with camera to eye.
Camera below subject makes the subject look larger, towering, or grand. For your white cat it could be fun because she has a regal sort of look and it would enhance that.

Try placing one eye of your subject directly in the middle of the frame. This intensifies the eye contact and almost makes the subject's eyes follow you around.

Bring treats and have patience with your pets. :)

Adding a little splash of color can be really nice. Props are also great to add a little bit of extra something to your pics.

Sleepy dog + jacket on chair could be that we just went out and had a fun walk.

Experiment with fun multi pet compositions as well. Sometimes a portrait can be a little boring, so capturing an interaction or your peta doing something can make a more interesting picture.

Your strobes will be indispensable for this.

Never underestimate comfy pics also. Maximize comfiness and your pics will be very nice.

>>4428318 (OP)
If you're metering off your white cat, your camera is going to underexpose. Set your exp compensation to +1 so your cats fur is nice and bright like it is in real life.

Thank you for the tips. I'm much more used to wildlife but I've been making sure to get as low as possible with most of my pet photos for that intimate angle of eye to eye

This was my first time working indoors, not paid obviously I'm still a beginner and I was trying to freeze the action while using my variable zoom which sits at 5.6 through a good chunk of its range.
1/1250, forget the ISO, f/5.6, same body and speedlight but with the Nikon 28-300mm 3.5-5.6

>>4428338
I love this one but it was taken during the recycle time near the end of the 2 hours I was at the indoor dog park. speedlight was firing at full power the whole time in TTL mode, by the end it was overheating and the batteries were dying so the recycle times were even more horrendous than at the beginning

I'm also quite poor so I'm working with the best DSLR I could afford (D750), the Nikon super zoom, a gen 2 90mm macro from Tamron, and I just scrimped together 300usd for a first gen Tamron 70-200 2.8 which I bought last week for my birthday

>>4428357
forgot, my speedlight is a Godox TT685II

>>4428358
like I said though, I'm brand new to working indoors. normally I have plenty of light with me because of the sun lol

>>4428359
Sun was 1/3 to 3/4 behind me with plenty of even cloud coverage. the weird color background is actually the side of a house

>>4428355
Grab an external battery pack. Kinda pricey, but they make it so you can do full power burst shots.

>>4428363
huh, didn't even think about that. I figured that, since my speedlight runs off 4 AA batteries, something like that would be off the table but I guess this model can supply enough power to cut the recycle times in half

>>4428364
looking at it for more than a glance.. I'll need 3 pieces, correct? the battery pack, the y shaped cable, and then a cable to go from that to the speedlight. I'm guessing there are ones that can go directly from the battery pack to the speedlight without the extra parts?

>>4428365
Yeah looks like it. The one I have is just one cable.

>>4428370
Try reframing with one eye directly in the center and see how it changes the look of the portrait! :D

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>>4428370
I like this dog but these are truly just "picture of a dog"

get lower and show a sense of scale

>>4428373
>>4428370
Yes. Attempt to capture a vibe, expression, emotion, or action and utilize the scene to add context.

Pretty well executed on a strictly technical level.

"Hey! HEY!"

>>4428377
"AAWWOOOO!"

Ken rockwell's dogsitting biz is really taking off

>>4428380
>Doghair's dog care and grooming services.

My family must grow...

>>4428386
This cat looks a little smashed

Slammed even

I think animals doing cool things is a really great form of pet photography. The 1v is the perfect film camera for this.

>>4428472
This one is nice. The toys add a really nice touch to the overall vibe of the image.

>>4428478
thanks, I need to start adding colorful things to the stuff I do inside. thankfully, my friend has a kid about 3 years old so there's a bunch of color around the yard. I'm still waiting for that one great shot of this cat walking through the play area.

>>4428491
I think I'm trying to get a shot like that because in my area things are very brown and grey in nature. having started in wildlife I noticed that most things are really well camouflaged but dull as fuck, hence the fascination with color.
anyways, here's a dog named Donut I was able to get a super low angle shot of

>>4428498
do you just put "glass to glass" for aquarium and terrarium shots? I've been wanting to learn how to shoot into a tank without any reflections or glare

>>4428501
Depends how threatened I'm feeling. One of the snakes is a very defensive biter, most of the other animals are fine, but the geckos sometimes get spooked or associate my presence with being fed and can move around a lot. They're all relatively harmless and I like pestering them trying to get super close occasionally.

>>4428501
A polarizer can help sometimes.

repostin some pet shots

watch u lookin at

>>4428622
given proper lighting or a wider aperture, I might be half decent at event photography. in fact, I'm supposed to go back to this place at the end of June for an event and the owners want to pay me for it.

I do have to start lowering the lens a bit more so I don't chop off the paws as much as I did last time

This is my cat. She's on the older side so it's hard to get good photos of her being too active now. Any advice for getting a really nice photo of her without having to sink alot of money into addons? My setup is fairly basic and I realise I need a better background than this one.

>>4428318 (OP)
Pet cat I just adopted recently

>>4428766
That's a reclusive toad.

>>4428630
Use a white curtain in a sunny window as a large softbox. You could use a bed sheet or even parchment paper if your curtains wouldn't work.

i love taking pics of this little girl, she's a feral near my apartment

>>4429373
nice

That feeling of being watched

I love my Karl.

oh lawd he's a comin'

Monday Blues

Biggest Yawn

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>>4429373
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>>4428352
Good.
The rest if you should sell your gear and kill yourselves.

>>4430792
Calm down cunt. It's photos of people's cats and dogs.

>>4430792
Film wins again.

>>4430794
they didn't even post a photo, their opinion is invalid

>>4430866
yup, smells clean to me

>>4428318 (OP)
professional pet photographer here specialised in portrait work.

get atleast 3 speedlights and a reflector and a variety of noise makers to get the animals attention.

do a classic 3 point light setup with main light offset to camera, reflector on the other side and a rimlight on the opposite site of the main light.
third speedlite for background illumination if desired.

cats are total shit to work with, but all other pets will usually cooperate.

go with 85mm and f6.3 or higher because most animals have long faces. you only need around 10MP and just blow it up with Topaz afterwards.
camera at animals eye level or below.

I charge 80 bucks per edited pic and i am drowning in clients.
using the ef 85 1.8 and 5D MK1
I own pro level printer and do large prints aswell

>>4432040
Interested in hearing more, do you “incall” or “outcall” these? Do you provide props? People with animals too or just animals?

>>4432040
Can you share one of your pics?

>>4432040
Neat! You should share some examples in the thread

>>4432040
I'm slowly building my equipment up. right now I have a nikon D750, nikon 28-300 3.5-5.6, 70-200 2.8 (1st gen) and a 90mm 2.8 macro (2nd gen) both tamrons.
more speedlights with a trigger and stands, also soft boxes, is my next big purchase. I'm also looking at a 27-70 2.8 and some primes for when I have money again.
cats are indeed shit to work with. I usually have to sit and chat with the owners until the cat decides to sit or lay down somewhere long enough for me to grab a few shots, I don't even attempt to get them in any particular area of the house/yard.
dogs are a lot easier, if I need a portrait type shot the owners can tell them to sit or lay down and then I'll have them stand behind me. I noticed most of the time after an owner gives a command the dog will be trained well enough to continue watching for the next command, I haven't seen many dogs that aren't at least decently trained. BUT that's only because I've been working with a dog training facility and the random dogs I have met at parks have been well trained. if I go the portrait/studio route I'll most certainly start running into untrained dogs but I'm also looking at the event side of it when I'm able to drive again (health issues).
I'm a bit pissed that I don't know anyone with other pets anymore, nobody has their bearded dragons or turtles anymore so I haven't gotten much practice with those but they're usually sitting in one place which would make it very easy to get multiple shots at different angles and with different lenses.
granted, I've only been into photography as a whole for nearly 11 months and I only switched to mainly pets from mainly nature in april. before last year I never touched more than a disposable and that was over 20 years ago, plus poorfag so no money for proper lessons or classes so I've been scraping info off the web and using darktable & gimp for post

>>4432217
tl;dr: newb and poorfag using the web and open source software. cats indeed shit, dogs are great. haven't met anyone with "exotic" pets. also forgot to add my godox tt685ii speedlight to my gear list

Still suck at using artificial light

>>4433867
Off camera or bounce

>>4433867
Awful

>>4433893
bounce using the built in bounce card. I'm also working in extremely low light with just 1 speedlight where a pro that's visited the location said they'd need a couple constant lights and a strobe to bring the lighting up to snuff for photography.

>>4433924
One thing you can do if you have an average level of strength is to have your camera in dominant hand and then your flash in the other with wireless or pc sync cable connecting the two. Add a flash modifier to the flash and you could do something halfway decent, maybe.

There are also offset flash holders you can attach to the bottom of your camera, but that won't be quite as good.

>>4433924
Do not use built in bounce cards. Make an attachment out of foam.

>>4433932
the pro said the same thing when we were on location. I'm also looking into a softbox hood for it since i tinker with macro on occasion as well

>>4433927
with pets, I'm typically on the floor as is my camera so one hand is usually free when I'm not using the zoom ring, but my macro is a prime so I can one hand it all day with that lens. I've been wanting a trigger, and the brand I use has some inexpensive ones. sometimes I want my light source to be off to the side a bit or a little higher up, especially when it's going to be my main light source

>>4433948
You could use a small flash on camera to activate big flash in hand using the flash trigger. Sometimes a little fill for your bounce can be a good thing.

>>4433951
this is true, and my current unit has master/slave functions built in

Total days I've done pet photography is probably about a week or two worth over the last couple months. I know I'm swimming in waters too deep for my lighting setup so I won't be able to get those really nice photos but thanks to this thread and some in person consultation with a pro I know where I can improve with the lighting once I have the funds to invest in the setup. more light will allow me to stop down my aperture to get the d.o.f. I'm wanting for dogs and getting groups all in focus. like this one, if I stopped down to 7.1 or smaller I would have gotten both in focus.
But, I'm hoping to get back to natural light soon since that's where I'm at my best when I comes to capturing action shots

1/125, iso 500, f/7.1 on camera flash

This thread is conflicting, like, on the one hand, hats off to op for actually getting out there and taking photos, but on the other, well, they’re kinda just plain bad desu

>>4436175
it didn't take long to get the hang of wildlife photography but the telephotos needed for birding and other far away animals is expensive and it's a lot more difficult to get paid work doing that. so now I have to learn how to capture similar quality photos but with next to nothing in super low light, tight spaces, and animals moving a lot more chaotically than waterfowl typically do. It's extremely difficult and a professional/semi-professional photographer went there once.. haven't heard anything about that again so I'm guessing they decided it wasn't worth trying to get shots in that space.

>>4428318 (OP)
rabid pet photographer here (I work for shelters and rescue orgs pro bono (and me also having some anyways) besides my other photo businesses)
Some tips (couuld be way longer so just a few which came to my mind quickly)
- If you can, don't use flash, use LED lightning
Neither cats, nor dogs like flashes and the ones really annoyed by that will simply turn their heads away, etc.
1-2 cheap led tubes like the weeylite k21 (which you can pickup for like 30USD/EUR at sales) are way better. Just don't blind them with them. If you can get bigger ones, the better but 1-2 k21 or similar sized are always handy bc sometimes you are tight on space.
- Get on their level. Don't bend down from standing if you can, but sit actually down.
- Get to know their psychology. What why are they are doing, how they will react to particular things, etc. These things won't be the same for a cat and a dog
- Keep your dof in check, for artistic reasons it meght be nice to have only the whiskers in focus, but usually you want those big eyes and ears also in focus. In prportions dog and cat faces are way longer ofc than a human one
- Talking about humans. Regular human enviromental portrait composition techniques also work here, don't be afraid of experimenting with those
- Shutter sound can help you grab their attention, so don't be afraid shooting bursts bc the second or third photo will be frequently better in the series (another reason why you are better off with led lights)
- if you start to do photography for rescue orgs, wide (sub 20mm) and bright (better than 2.8) lenses will go a long way as they allow you to more easily photography in the tight quarantine compounds and sleeeping bunks

Snoy A6700 - Sigma 56mm.

Texas tabby.

>>4437690
well, my flash stopped firing today so no more trying to learn that until I can get it resolved
I can try led lights, where I'm practicing there are enclosed play/training areas and I can set them up outside of those. but if they host any more of those birthday parties I'll need to deal with dogs that are free roaming. is there a steady light that can attach to a hotshoe for when I have to run and gun?

I do pet photography as a hobbyist on a budget with old gear for free at pet friendly charity events, generating donations for animal shelters and the like. Usually aiming for very clean and optimized printworthy shots, as that is the most useful thing for petowners used to smartphone shots of their animals.
My weapon of choice is the Canon R with either the amazing 85mm Viltrox, the Nifty fifty or the EF100mmL.
f5.6 or smaller to get the whole head mostly in focus, aiming at the eyes. Of camera 4-way lighting and a bag of treats. Backdrop is a cheap one from ebay, selectivly lit to force a contrast between rim lighting on the left and backdrop for a more 3d effect. All images are heavily edited and stylized to approach a previously set look.
The theme i aimed for at the most recent event was "Old Portrait Paining". Attached is a resulting pic.

>>4439427
the fill light is too strong but preddy gud otherwise

>>4439427
very nice, I might have to get into photographing horse races to save up for an off camera lighting setup and a backdrop or two. that way I can start practicing this type of pet photography. I like dogs at play but usually only the owners like the photos, based on feedback from multiple sources. and since dogs make aggressive faces when they're playing it's tough to post the photos, especially when the dogs are up for adoption.
I like the action shot that I got with this >>4433993 but a rescue isn't going to put that photo up on the adoption page. There's a whole different mindset for what shots to look for with pets than there is with wildlife that I need to train myself in.

>>4439433
Thank you.
The very limited time i had per client made it challenging getting the optimal lighting every time.
I attempted to have a drop in shoot with just placing the dogs on the X with everything dialed in to keep waiting time for clients low.
But varying fur coloration or pose can make a huge different in results and errors tend to multiply.
I had some 10/10 shots but also some that i could only fix in the edit.

>>4439443
The light gear i am using was bought used for cheap, just some godox stuff. And most images were taken using the inexpensive Viltrox.
I used to take pics of rescues for the adoption website, but i was not able to keep up with it. So many rescues and a lot of "throughput" so to speak that keeping up my shooting style of aiming for a good looking portrait was not feasible timewise.
I did however use the rescue animals to get some much needed practice using my gear and experience in editing.

Love this little dude.

Backdrop acquired and now I figure out a great light setup for my 8x10 slide film shots. This is just a single umbrella at 45ish degrees in a small room, so there's a little bounce.

This is a 1/10 lighting setup and I need a 10/10 setup. I may play around with a prop of some sort for him to stand on as well. We will get there.

>>4446226
Thèse give me American graduation picture vibes, not sure im a big fan of it, it has this fake «im so nice and happy» energy that you can find in any American store

>>4446227
Yeah, I feel the same way about them. Better lighting should fix that. I want something more dramatic and contrasty than these. A small shoot through umbrella is not directional enough for that.

I mainly took these as a starting point and to see how the backdrop looked.

>>4446317
More distance between backdrop and dog to make the background look less like a backdrop. Also helps with the weird folds. Focus and aperture are set correct. You might want to bounce a bit of light under the snoot to get rid of that weird shadow.
But very cute doggo

>>4446474
Agreed. I'm going to try and take some "good ones" tonight doing exactly as you suggest.
Here is a test with my new much larger softbox(I know I missed eye focus). Tonight I will be setting the backdrop up again, using softbox, and a second bounced flash off a wall/card. May play around with a third gridded strobe as well. I want to try and utilize high contrast light and soft light.

Dog is pretty cooperative as long as I keep the treats flowing, but he does get bored after a little while so I have like 15-20 mins max with him.

Just look at this cooperation lol. I think a cool prop that he stands/sits on could be a really great addition to one of these pictures.

>>4446489
Missed focus

>>4446317
>>4446226
These are higher quality than your film snapshots and if you can't make this look good before busting out the sheet box you're beyond saving

>>4446492
Wow you didn't read what I wrote. I posted it to show/discuss the new light modifier i got. The whole reason I'm working through this right now is to figure out a really excellent scene/ lighting for my slide film! I just got that freaking hand painted backdrop a couple days ago.

>>4446492
Oh yeah I forgot to ask. Do you like my backdrop choice? I wanted a color that was balanced between lighthearted and serious that worked well with his coat color.

I think it works well, and it also looks amazing with my white dog, but I can't get her to cooperate with me for a picture. :[

Grid to gradient backdrop
Reverse umbrella to illuminate dog
Bounce light to even out light on left

This one is probably my favorite lighting so far and it doesn't use the giant softbox, which will make it even better I think.

This lighting is also interesting, but I don't like the catch light in his eyes like that, so I would move umbrella over some more. Some small changes to this and I think it would be incredible on a sheet of slide film.

Next I'm going to use my mfdb with leaf shutter so I can get rid of more of the ambient light coming into the room and use large softbox.

Giant softbox top right pointed down a little
Grid pointed at background
Bounce on left.

I think these are the best ones yet.

This is without the bounce. I really like both setups. I think they're the best looking pics yet.

8x10 is going to be a significant challenge because of the limited DoF. I think with some more training I would have time to focus the shot, load film, and shoot the film.

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>>4446949
they look nice, but i don't think such heavy shadow on the left works for pets like it might for people. something doesn't quite just click with it.

>>4446981
So true. I think I'll need an actual white card to bounce light instead of just a wall.

Lightroom exported my jpgs with way darker shadows than I thought I had them set at. That isn't a good excuse if you're creating lighting to shoot slide film lol.

>>4446947
Stop down when close up retart

>>4446948
Your light contouring is terrible. You're supposed to put some light under the chin too.

>>4447063
I was already at max power on my strobes and couldn't really increase the aperture any more, but thanks for the advice otherwise! Might be kind of challenging to get a card placed under him each time, but Ill give it a shot to see how that looks.
Third or fourth time I've done this backdrop+strobe stuff. It is a work in progress. :D

>>4447063
I think if I position my softbox lower I wouldn't need it, but then it gets kind of tough to actually take pictures.

>>4447064
>I was literally blinding my dog
>Why
>big sensor betturrrrrrr

>>4447069
average sensor size queen's dog after 1 year of being subjected to 2000w strobe gearfagging
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5015607/

another win for people who are not so autistic they "have" to shoot at iso 25

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>>4447075
>brings up sensor size out of nowhere
OBSESSED. Yeah the image quality looks great. I know. Thanks.

I'm not using any direct flash. It's all behind baffled soft boxes or bounce. He's fine.
The problem is that my softbox is so big that even 2400ws doesn't let me fully saturate the sensor and get the histogram looking how I want.

I'm using base 100 iso and f6-ish for these...

>>4447064
>Might be kind of challenging to get a card placed under him each time
maybe one of these curvy reflectors might work, but not like in the photo, the mirrored/silver style.

>>4447092
I actually have one of those and was thinking of using it. I will give it a shot.

>>4447091
I legit cant tell the MF and FF (with m43 DR) photos apart if you get everything in focus

Vintage medium format is just worse full frame, technically. Sure it can use a softer lens and still get sharp results, but because of the inferior tech it's recording light less accurately than a nikon Z7.

>>4447110
Have any examples of studio type pet photography to demonstrate that? I would love to see them, otherwise please take the gearfagging to another thread.

I'd love to hear any ideas,advice or criticism you may have to help improve my studio work if you wanted to share!

>>4447069
>>4447110
the guy is just taking lighting test shots for a LF film shoot
sensor size has literally nothing to do with anything going on here, you're just arguing with yourself
actual schizo behavior

>Stop blinding your dog. These cameras look the same. Vintage medium format has no advantage over modern gear.
>PROOFS!?
The proof is people selling their $50k (in 2008 dollars) cameras for $5k today. You should listen to people. Your dog is whale eyeing in every other shot. Dogs will put up with some discomfort for food. Just because a dog hates nail trims more than flash doesnt mean the don’t mind flash. It means they are more aware of the possibility of a cut quick than they are aware of potential eye damage.

A compassionate dog owner would take any excuse not to blind their dog with a 4000w/s strobe. Using a camera with better light gathering instead of geeking out over vintage medium format digital is an easy change to make.

>>4447126
The ancient medium format camera does have to do with it. Those ancient pieces of shit need way brighter exposures compared to a modern full frame camera or modern medium format like a gfx100s or iq150.

Bro is blinding his dog so he can pixel peep slightly harder while remaining a gear contrarian that only uses old SLRs.

>>4447130
>Those ancient pieces of shit need way brighter exposures compared to a modern full frame camera or modern medium format like a gfx100s or iq150.
Wrong. Only if you're willing to shoot at a higher ISO you'll need less light.

>>4447135
Actually its right. Between the gapped microlenses, ancient CCDs, and primitive ADCs and amps they just aren’t as sensitive and precise as modern gear.

>>4447130
100 iso and f6 through a baffled softbox is not blinding my dog...

>>4447137
Then why is he whale eyeing constantly

First time realizing domesticated animals can be trained to put up with stress they dont know is bad for them?

>>4447136
I just use it because it has a leaf shutter and I like using the camera more than my others... I didn't even mention anything about cameras other than my 8x10 goals

>>4447136
>Actually its right. Between the gapped microlenses, ancient CCDs, and primitive ADCs and amps they just aren’t as sensitive and precise as modern gear.
That only means modern gear can use higher ISO with tolerable noise. But for an ISO 100 exposure you'll need the same light on both. I'm sorry you were lied to and misled, but that's the truth of the matter.

>>4447139
Thats not what whale eye looks like at all...

>>4447140
A z7 or even an a7rII and a modern strobe supporting HSS would do the same job (actually better despite its smaller sensor, because tech gap) with not just less flash power, but just the modeling lamp. The hy6-65r only has 12 stops of marketing material DR (so 10.whatever real DR) and a 1.5 stop editing range so you might as well shoot a decent ff at iso 800 with a bright continuous light.

>>4447139
This is what whale eye looks like and dog body language queues must be contextualized properly, which you are not doing.

>>4447141
No, it does not. Gapped microlens sensors are less sensitive. They need more light or the image gets dimmer, because less light makes it to the actual pixels.

This is the sole reason why the gfx50 has good measurements but on dpreviews equalized test scene it looks ff tier.

>>4446947
This dog looks stressed

Animals don’t like flash. Use continous lights.

>>4447143
Hey, I don't care. I like how the pics look and enjoy using the camera. Can you stop gearfagging up this thread? Go take pics of your pet in a studio setup and post them.

>>4447147
He's hyped up and excited because I have made our photography sessions a fun game where he gets loads of treats.

>>4447146
You clearly misunderstand what ISO is

>>4447148
>telling you there is a real technical reason you don’t have to abuse your dog is gearfagging
Is it not gearfagging to blind your dog because you’re a camera geek

>>4447151
100 iso and f6 through a 6 foot baffled softbox is not blinding my dog.

>>4447150
ISO on digital isn’t even real

Some low DR DSLRs do tone mapping before even writing the raws and push up shadows, some brands use an entirely different definition of ISO and meter differently. It’s a nonsense number.

What is true is when a third of a sensor doesn’t gather light, that camera needs more light.

>>4447152
Your dog looks stressed to me. Some people train animals to put up with mild torture like sodomizing and think the animals enjoy it. Maybe you should play it safe and stop flashing your poor dog in the name of pixel peeping?

>>4447154
ISO isn't a nonsense number even if some manufacturers mislabel it. The camera has more gain applied to the signal as opposed to one with a more sensitive sensor for the same ISO value, that's about it.

>>4447156
Okay, well you're wrong. I wouldn't be taking pictures of him with flash if he was actually stressed out. Thanks.

Flash test

No treats
On one day record how long your dog will stay for 1 photo/3 seconds with constant light
On the next day record how long your dog will stay for 1 photo/3 seconds with flash

If the second time is shorter stop flashing your dog.

After each photo session quickly lead your dog to a dim room. Observe their behavior (looking around at nothing? confused?) and throw a toy. Consider what you witness to estimate what you are doing to your dogs vision.

Someone blinded himself with an sb9000 and dogs have more light sensitive eyes than people…

>>4447162
If you're referencing that study posted the guy had recently gotten lasik and had already damaged his eyes from poppers.

My 6 foot softbox is not that bright. Iso 100 and f6

>>4447164
But you won’t do the test

That’s one photo every 3 seconds until your dog leaves. No bribes. And then into a dim room to chase a toy. Are you confident enough to risk proving yourself wrong?

>>4447167
And make sure the sessions are a day apart to minimize the memory effect. Good luck leo!

>>4447167
Ill try it, sure.
No one will recognize that my strobe setup is not that bright at all. People are allergic to admitting they're wrong. Saying my dog had whale eyes and a torn ligament because he was sitting comfortably is just comically stupid. Just like ruining this thread because I took pictures with a specific camera that I didn't even mention I was using...

>>4447143
did you know
that with digital cameras
they multiply the signal coming off the sensor
to make 100 ISO look like 100 ISO
they all do it
the results may be better or worse but the exposure is still the same

>>4447162
The problem with your silly test is that the way we play is that I position him, tell him to stay, then when he hears the shutter release he gets up and comes towards me for a treat. He doesn't just stay and let me take infinite pictures of him because he has associated the shutter click with a release command.

>>4447172
the exposure can be dimmer and amplified, some of them push the shadows in the raw itself, most say its iso 100 but the exposure and brightness is closer to iso 60, etc
general rule is ancient medium format is the same as ok full frame

>>4447174
Can you back that up with actual examples of pet studio photography? Are there pictures in this thread with better IQ than the mfdb?

>>4447173
Then, tell him to stay and change the context a little. I thought wolf wannabe dogs were smart?

>>4447175
brudda the mfdb and 5diii and various apsc/ff shots itt all look the fucking same

>>4447177
How am I supposed to change the context of me taking pictures of him in my studio?

>>4447178
Really? Do you think an 8x10 slide shot and a 5d classic also look the same? Visual illiteracy plagues this forum...

>>4447180
No just ancient mfdbs and half decent FFs

>>4447179
I thought wolf wannabe dogs were smart? Figure it out boyo.

>>4447186
Examples please! You could actually contribute to this thread instead of ruining it. Post some examples of pet photography from these modern cameras that btfo an ancient ewaste mfdb.

>>4447189
Id post a photo but your dog is too blind to see it :(

>>4447192
Idiotic concern trolling and thread ruining gearfaggotry from the gearfag the moment after I post a picture from the camera that makes the photography haters seethe. Funny how they cant tell the difference between cameras, but instantly shit up any thread I post a picture from it in.

Unsuprising, but still very dissapointing. No contribute to thread, no more replies from me.
Stay tuned for my next photos using the ideas discussed in this thread.

>>4447160
Look on the bright side, dog blinder anon, when your dog no longer notices the flash he'll get to wear some sick shades and adopt a service human

>Everything has been black since the photoshoot
>I did bark a lot at first
>I mean I really hated black
>But you get used to it
>So I think I've finally gotten over my racism

>He's not going to drop me at the shelter for this is he?
>Where is my owner anyways?
>Hello? Anyone there?

>>4447199
>look on the bright side
kek

>>4447092
I tried your idea tonight by adding the curved card thing on the left pointed at a 45ish upwards. Thoughts?

I think it definitely helps evenly light him, but I don't know how I feel about the added catch light. Not really much that can be done about that I guess..

>>4447351
i like it, much better than the dark dramatic split lighting he had going on before. though i wonder if you have a way to make it a bit less from the front, looks like the snout is brighter than the eyes lol, makes it look weirdly artificial somehow.

>>4447345
Very cute. :D

>>4447352
I angled the softbox enough so the bounce could catch some light. That highlight on his nose is kind of annoying now that you mention it. Maybe if I position him further away from the softbox I could reduce nose highlight... That will be for another day.

Thanks for the feedback.

>>4447351
>half moon eyes
>panting
your dog is stressed please use continuous lights

>>4447421
post pics of your dog

>>4447623
imagine owning a dog in 2025

xiaxiaxiaxiaxiaxia

>>4447162
Hey, my dog actually did this thing where he tells me to follow him. He walked me into the studio and I said okay go pose and he went and sat on the backdrop.

Later when I did some more flash photography because he seemed to want to! with only bounce flash as usual I turned the lights off in the studio when I was done, so it was quite dark and he was able to catch the treats I was tossing to him. Dark enough where I couldn't see the treat midair.
He has been more obedient and cuddly the past couple of days and I have not changed our routine aside from a 5-10 minute photo session each day. Strange right? It's almost like playing fun obedience games with your dog can improve their behavior.

>>4447721
You should put the treats on the camera.

This image is my first test with just the directional beauty dish I got. Oddly enough I had a piece laying around that worked perfectly as an adapter.

I really like the look of this light and I think the soft shadow behind him is a really nice addition to the photo. I sort of wanted this look for the slide film if that makes any sense.

Next setup I will put a sock over the dish and add some under/left side bounce and see how that influences the image.

Thoughts?

>>4447904
He is very focused on the camera already. I use treats to draw his gaze away from direct eye contact sometimes.

>>4447922
>ken rockwell’s first attempt at flash
You really looked at that shadow and thought "send it"?

>>4447923
What's wrong with it? Are shadows strictly a bad thing?

>>4447923
There's something I really like about this lighting. It's got a look to it. The framing on this picture gives it a certain also. Idk... Maybe someone does.

>>4447922
>banana shadow
>>4447934
Holy mother moire. What garbage software are you using to demosaic these? Is there a brush mask and moire correction slider? Say whatever you want about daring to look at all pixels you posted but shit like this does stay as a weird color when zoomed out and it shows up in prints

>>4447934
It's almost terry-like.

>>4447942
I didnt do anything to that one. I get too lazy to remove the enhanced NR title from the files most of the time and then someone makes fun of me for it.
Is there a moire reduction thing aside from the ai denoise in lightroom?

The previous picture I did apply lightrooms AI NR at its lowest level.

>>4447943
That's what I was getting from it. It's sort of a cool look I think. The shadow in #2 is a lot better than #1. Socking the dish and making sure he is far enough away from the backdrop will be important. Ambient was too high to see the shadows when I was shooting. Leaf shutter problems, you know.

>>4447942
Oh wait demoisaic is raw to dng. That's in Sinar capture flow. I hate that program, but I have to use it. It only runs on mac, so I got a little mac mini, but the dang thing has a max resolution of 1080p, so I can't see the pics well enough to edit the pictures on the mac side and just use it as a converter.
There is a noise reduction thingy in captureflow that may do the trick. I haven't really played around with it.

>>4447942
Okay yeah. I should probably click the noise reduction setting on captureflow. Here's a jpg straight from the software with maxed out luminance and chrominance NR. Not perfect, but definitely better.

>>4447934
lol thumbnail looks like he's cheesing with a toothy grin.

>>4448038
Lol. I love that for him.

On an aside Im kind of upset at how bad lightroom makes my pictures look. In Sinar captureflow I simply added a little contrast and got that jpg. Infinitely better colors.
I should see how C1 looks next.

>>4448046
Use a subject mask and turn the C1 moire slider to 85-95, move the pattern slider if it's not all gone, and then use the AI erase to unmask his eyes and tongue (moire reduction pulls an xtrans on colors)

>>4448068
Ty. Ill give it a shot.

Socked beauty dish at eye level right, umbrella pointed far left to bounce off wall. White card on floor directly in front of dog.

This is too boring of lighting for my taste, but it is nice and evenly lit. Beauty dish loses all character when socked. Shadows directly underneath dog are sort of distracting.
I think a small gridded softbox instead of umbrella would have worked better.

Sorry about the poor IQ. I underexposed these on purpose as a little test.

>>4448321
>I underexposed these on purpose as a little test.
i think you turned your flash down since you noticed your dog getting stressed out tbqh

have you considered outdoor photography? the sun and a light cloud is the best softbox

>>4448335
Please see
>>4447721

Okay. I think I may have settled on this lighting setup for my 8x10 shots. I want to place the beauty dish carefully so that I get some feathering on the backdrop, but overall I am quite happy with this. It isn't overly boring, but it also isn't anything too crazy that I'm going to screw up when I'm exposing film.

I used a beauty dish mid right, pointed down, and on the left I have this right angle dome type modifier that directs all light 90 degrees of strobe pointed at a large bounce card. Underneath dog is another card that is angled around 30 degrees pointed towards him.

There is good definition, he isn't perfectly evenly lit, and it has the harder more contrasty light I am after. The only editing I did on both of these images are adding a little contrast and moire reduction.

Thoughts on this lighting??

>>4449272
The shadows aren't filled nearly enough for film.
And you missed focus.

At least your processing is finely huskyfag/corgifag tier.

>>4449275
Thanks. I know it is not perfectly in focus. I am posting the example that is demonstrative of the lighting I like best. If you have been following along the whole reason I am posting these is to have a nice discussion about something new I'm learning and get help to take the best photo possible!

What do you mean the shadows aren't filled enough? I should step the bounce up 1 stop? Right now I have the dish 2 stops higher than the bounce. I haven't taken any light meter readings yet, but I think I want around a 1 stop difference between the sides of his face.

>>4449288
1/2-1 stop

Shoot 35mm/120 for final lighting tests

>>4449289
You think I could just use some 8x10 foma, or should I use ektachrome?

>>4449290
Cute dog.

4x5 Ilford fp4+ shot at 100 iso developed in 510-pyro.

I love this moireless picture and cannot wait until I will be able to print it. I am nervous about 8x10. I shot this at f22 with a 180mm lens. DoF for a 300mm lens is going to be really shallow. We march onwards.

>>4450107
Here is one I shot using my Imagon. The starburst eyes are kind of amazing.

Aaaand a laying down shot. I will need a different light set up if I want a good shot like this. Shadows are too messy.

snapshit i took but kinda gave me some ideas with my UWA lens might be fun to experiment with

>>4450233
Do it and post results! Cute dog has a lot of potential for great dog pics.

TFW no kitteh, but I love taking photos of them.

>>4455030
Excellent cats

>>4456933
Really awesome. Nice job.

>>4456933
>>4457198

>>4457198
nice tongue

>>4456933
>>4457198
>>4457199

>>4456933
>>4457199
always love a good action shot

Mr butters

hope my pets are also welcome ^^

Porcellio werneri

>>4467249
Nesodillo arcangelii "shiro utsuri"

>>4467250
Armadillidium maculatum

>>4467251
....forget the picture

Porcellio werneri

>>4467248
>>4467249
>>4467250
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>>4467252
cool
although you'd probably do well with a better macro setup than upscaling