Holy shit, Nikon won

fuck off

>>4434968 (OP)
>meanwhile snoy fw updates just brick your camera

>>4434968 (OP)
and they're getting the subject detection with MF that came with the Zf and was only on Z5II/Z6III
and they're enabling open aperture AF (that everyone here complained about)

>>4434979
and Canon ruins the autofocus on the R5MK2

>$3000 camera now performs more like a $3000 camera
Great, I'm happy for them. Maybe their other bodies are going to get updates soon.

At first nikon was kind of disappointing and the AF on the $1000 canon R8 was a bit better. If they can fix that, and release more of the small and soulful lenses high end hobbyists want, then snoy can finally die and fuji and nikon can reclaim their rightful places. The market saturation of snoys is just appalling. Everyone's colors are so dull. it's the worst thing to ever happen to photography.

>>4434968 (OP)
How the fuck do you add more MP to your camera sensor with a firmware update? Is this like downloading more RAM?

>>4434993
There are techniques where the camera can take multiple photos and mush them together

>>4434993
they added pixel shift

>>4434997
You mean pickleshit?

>>4434990
a z6ii has two processors and is only a little bit better at focusing than the z6, and has the same sensor as the z5ii

if they don't improve the af firmware so it's at least as good as an a7iii i'm buying a canon

>>4434993
Same shit as what phones use, Pixelbinning. It takes multiple photos to make one mega photo but the results can be decent or terrible depending on the situation (night photos being the absolute worst).

>>4435017
It should be. The ZF’s exspeed7 processor enabled better algorithm crunching & fixed AF at least a year ago already, and any models newer than that should all have it too.

>>4434968 (OP)
>>4434993
>>4434996
>>4434997
>>4435024
>2000+25
>the absolute state of NiCON
lmao

thats too many megabytes so im not interested

>>4434968 (OP)
Is it worth getting one now?

>>4435024
pixel binning decreases resolution rather than increase, retard. pixel shift is more related to the old scanning backs.
what phones use is quad bayer which is so their garbage "50mp" sensor can produce almost usable 12mp images.

>>4435050
don't even get me started on those bulky RAW files

>>4435024
Based retard. Probably a snoy shooter.

>>4435128
no i don't want them

>>4435050
>>4435128
If you can't afford a 4tb drive in your laptop, you can't afford a Z8 either. I don't see the problem.

Complaining about the size of a raw file a $3000 camera shits out in "doing product photography for rolex" mode is like complaining about the price of an oil change for a porsche 911 carrera.

This camera isn't for you. Pixel shift is extremely demanding of optics and technique, and it won't result in good photos unless you know what you're doing and are using an amazingly sharp and HUGE lens at its ideal aperture for a virtual 180mp full frame camera - literally f2.8, past that it gets diffraction softening at max size. also see: why no one cared about micro four thirds pixel shift and it never looked that much better. Essentially, it turns the Z8 into a high end digital scanner.

>>4435162
>Muh aberrations

>>4435175
You just don't understand that cameras are for more than your terrible "art" project.

>>4435181
Huh?

>>4435182
You're just another wannabe artist hipster who gets confused and angry when professionals care about accuracy and quality instead of "retro vibes". Pssh. Get a job, kid. There's a world outside terrible street photography.

>>4435162
I cant imagine any lens except top of the line pro primes could resolve 180MP on FF. And like you said, at maybe f/2.8.
Using a calculator online:
>180MP FF Sensor
>Pixel size: 2.2um
>Aperture f/2.8
>Diameter of Airy Disk: 3.7um

So theoretically even at f/2.8 diffraction is present. It might not be noticable as airy disks have to bleed over into the next pixel a fair amount before you can see it in photographs.
I tried to see at what aperture it became completely free of diffraction in theory.
>Aperture f/1.8
>Diameter of Airy Disk: 2.2um
Still *technically* present. No chance in hell of ever seeing it.
>Aperture f/1.4
>Diameter of Airy Disk: 1.9um

>>4435189
it turns out this lens was nikon's entry into forensics and scanning documents for museums

>>4435184
Are you a bot? How does a "professional" not know about aberrations?

>>4435192
>Schizo street photographer starts thinking glowie bots are gangstalking him
many such cases. sad. whats next, i'm literally a dog hair?

>>4435194
Why are you dodging the question and acting so schizo??

>>4435191
>$14000 Dollarydoos
Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see M43's forensics and scanning lens.

>>4435189
Do modern lenses really have absolutely no aberrations?

>>4435199
Nobody said that. I was talking in terms of theory. If you want to include controls for aberrations there's a shitfuck of work and testing to do and this is a Norwegian shoe making forum.
In real examples with real optics under real scenarios, f/2.8 is probably fine with any high-grade prosumer/professional lens made within the last 5 years.

>>4435200
Oh. From what I understood usually there's a balance between aberration and diffraction that usually means you need to stop down a lil bit for maximum resolution. Guess modern lenses got that one figured out.

>>4435201
That is correct. Lenses are normally not sharpest so wide open. There do exist lenses that are sharpest wide open or within a factor of who gives a shit compared to optimal aperture, and they're normally macro lenses.
Scientific optics (which none of us will ever see or use) are reportedly free from aberrations completely at super wide apertures because it's necessary for the specific work they're created for and the cost shitfucks more to make and buy than anyone is willing to pay.

>>4435205
Well shit! I guess you just need to do a little research to find lenses worthy of the task.
I've heard there's some really rare/expensive military surplus lenses used for aerial surveillance that can achieve extreme resolution as well. A guy was selling some on ebay, but they're so expensive and niche it barely seems worth it. Especially considering you would need custom housing that has the precision to actually utilize the full resolution capabilities of the lens.

>>4435205
A shitty no name litography lens is like 7k usd, how much would a nikon cost? 20k? 50k? 200k?

>>4435209
If even one person on /p/ owns a shitty 7k USD litography lens I would be fucking astounded.

>>4435209
Me getting ready to take a snapshit of my dog to post on /p/

>>4435213
>>4435209
Not the same, but you can get these for not too much. They are highly regarded for their optical quality. Shorter FLs are cheaper.

>>4435162
no i can't read this it's so boring I'm going to die

>>4435225
if you dont find technology exciting you might not have an artists spirit. most artists like david lynch, leonardo davinci, and annie leibovitz are huge fans of technology, what it can do, and how it works. art, math, and engineering are the same field and have nothing to do with science and medicine.

>>4435235
thank you Donald draper

>>4435235
>annie leibovitz
nice bait

>>4435046
>2000+25
>Not 2011+14
I SHIGGY DIGGY

>>4435194
I accept your concession

>>4435323
>I accept your concession

>>4435199
almost almost for arri master primes

>>4435122
>unironically being happy about fake megapixels
nikonbros... i dont feel good anymore

>>4434993
Here, this will explain it.
https://www.visionsystech.com/blogs/what-are-the-benefits-of-pixel-shift-technology

>>4435024
No, you are a retard nigger. Please shut up and stop spreading blatant misinformation. Pixel shift is completely different technology than pixel binning and is not at all even remotely similar to the garbage phones do.

>>4435387
Pixel shift should make you want to cum. It's that good.
It's deliverance from the bayer plague, however it only works for stationary indoor subjects with zero movement or lighting changes in low vibration environments.

FUCKING
ABSOLUTELY
GOD'S GIFT
for digitizing art but entirely useless for wildlife/street/model photography

Pixel shifting eliminates the need for interpolating and just gives you full RGB per pixel and more total pixels.
Bayer is blurry by default and people get by with desperate copium unsharp masking and blaming their lenses, but with pixel shift you get sharper images even when downsampled.

>Pixel Shit
I'm thankful Canon isn't going into this bullshit like Sony and Nikon. Canon just keeps on winning.

>>4435401
you can just not use it

>>4435401
Instead they released a stupidly expensive full frame camera with the same actual DR as a sony a6700 (and a g9ii), when just making the sensor smaller would have the same DR hit and benefit readout speed all the same

Canon is on life support due to the entry level APS-C cameras actually neing good. In the FF market only, sony actually has the #1 spot.

Pray to saint Nikon that they may be dethroned

Fuji fixes autofocus and build -> Sony APS-C fucking dies
Nikon fixes autofocus and lens selection -> Sony full frame fucking dies
Fuji gets their shit together with medium format's autofocus -> the last few retards with A7Rs get tired of fixing skin tones

The entire camera market is getting snoyed over autofocus because photographers and camera designers, in their hubris, thought that no one needed autofocus, they needed to git gud.

>>4435405
>snoy poster
Stopped reading right there, enjoy your fake Pixel Shit.

>>4435407
cope

nikon finna kill snoy

>>4434981
the open aperture autofocus - is that something that they fixed in the z5ii/new zf firmware? i remember having some issues with it back on the old fw, cant really replicate it now, but - they dont talk about this in the changelog, so i guess the fault is still there right?

>>4435405
>canon is on life support
Weapons grade delulu cope holy shit, I thought the schizos on /pol/ were bad

>>4435477
Pretty sure Z8 3.0 is the first and only Z camera to be able

>>4435479
Canon is dying, sorry. They lost FF market share to fucking sony. To planned obsolescence, overheating, non weather sealed bricks that vignette 2 stops at f8. They are completely out of touch and keep releasing overpriced and yet STILL cripple hammered "pro coded" cameras that are unusable in daily life because they think it's still the 08-12 DSLR craze and people want to appear in public with a blob that says CANON just like the professionals on cable TV.

Canon is #1 in walmart cameras new parents buy and then leave in a closet, and #1 in historical inertia keeping major agencies from just dumping them, and yet they are dying. They are so desperate they gave away free battery grip blob rentals at the olympics and there are anecdotal reports of canon reps at the paris olympucs literally begging pros to ignore the Z8 and hounding Z8 users with anti-nikon talking points.

>>4435477
It's something that doesn't really matter on the new cameras, because their new chips let them focus down to -10ev. They really need to move that firmware feature back to the z6ii/z7ii.

>>4435519
the $1000 canon r8 overheats in stills mode because of a design flaw btw
>go outside
>camera warms up quickly
>overheating sensor thinks this means the camera is actually overheating and shuts it off
and its still a blob
muh ergos with the f11 telescope prime that snaps in half

>>4435521
>be me
>canon shill
>brief experience with R8 confirms janky overheating bullshit and wouldn't recommend it to anyone
>still a canon shill because when they don't retardo maximo a camera they're great
>lens selection overwhelmingly btfos all competition unless you're poor
>(You) aren't poor, are you anon?

>>4435525
>It's not overpriced, you're poor
Nigga if it fits in the average american's credit limit it's not over a poorfag/richfag line, it's just varying degrees of stupid

>>4435529
Nope. Wasn't defending or referencing the R8. If you didn't have the average American level of literacy, you would have seen I'm refering to Canon's top-shelf lenses.
Their consoomer RF shit is mostly kind of ass, and their entry-level FF cameras are cripplehammered unnessesarily, so the solution is to buy an R6II or R5I and some L-tier lenses.

>>4435535
Canon's top shelf lenses? You mean like the $1300 f1.4 primes that don't actually cover full frame without +500 on the distortion slider?
>R5I
>tacitly admitting the R5II is an overpriced APS-C camera in the name of going full crutch mode
jej

>>4435535
>he thinks canon L lenses don't fit on american credit cards
You know how much leverage americans have, right? The country literally runs on debt as if in full admission that money is just government credits now. Their own central bank holds most of the government's debt it's literally made up.

>>4435537
>f1.4 prime
Don't be a retard. That lens is for paid photogs and nobody who posts here makes money from photography.
>admits R5II is shit
Yes. Yes it is.
>>4435538
America sounds bleak.
Nah seriously, I hear you guys get credit cards sent to your mailboxes unsolicited. What's the cap on shit like that in the States?

>>4435542
>i-it's for paid photogs
Paid photogs aint paying $1400 for an aps-c lens pre-distortion corrected
>america sounds bleak
I took out a $50,000 loan to start a business, never paid it back, and then started another business with the money I never paid back

>>4435024
but how? if i am open aperture and cant reangle my angle how is it taking shots outside of franme? or ddoes it only work when zoomed in? so only on teles?

>>4435633
It doesn't take shots outside the frame...

>>4434979
LMAO

>>4435633
With IBIS it's probably as simple as the sensor moving itself around a fraction of pixel. Pretty sure that's what M43 did.

>>4435504
yeah, hopefully they enable this for all of their modern cameras

>>4435519
>It's something that doesn't really matter on the new cameras, because their new chips let them focus down to -10ev. They really need to move that firmware feature back to the z6ii/z7ii.
well, i sometimes shoot events with a flash, f8-11 + low iso in very dark conditions - the camera wont focus for shit then. having to manually zone focus with a modern camera and a modern lens (a combo that focuses fine when set to 1.4) is retarded.

>>4434968 (OP)
Wait until the Z7iii and Z8ii come out... FUG.

>>4437178
2035 will be a great year for nikon.

>>4437215
kek

>>4434968 (OP)
Do they have a partnership with nvidia? fake pixels and frames ?

>>4435708
I was thinking the same thing. Reported for tripfaggotry.

>>4434968 (OP)
>180MP
>massively improved autofocus still blurs eyes
great. I can't even use a 900mm at the nude beach on this piece of shit because the defocused eyelashes piss me off. Should have just got an a7r