Thread 4438173

>posed "candids"
>staged "decisive moment"
>spray and pray, then select the ones where chance gave you "the shot" and call it art
Is street inherently dishonest?

>>4438173 (OP)
Yes, it's all a sham. He paid that child pocket change to carry the painting in that manner and compose the shot at the right moment. Street is fraudulent in essence. A fiction sold to sheep whose own wool is pulled over their eyes.

>>4438173 (OP)
Cool pic. Did he say it was a candid shot?

>take award winning "candid photo" in restaurant
>later it's revealed you used $40,000 of lighting equipment and paid actors to take the picture
the real retards are the ones who care about "authenticity" if it's a better picture then who cares if it's "real"

>>4438178
this is why AI is the way it waill make it to us travel pictures without having to affor expensive plane tickets

>>4438178
You are a soulless flesh robot who should be thrown into a trash compactor. Dishonesty breeds dishonesty. You "people" (acolytes of fraud) are the reason why everything is fake and gay. Oh my G-d. Unmake yourself

>>4438178
That's the thing, the only "merit" it has is that it's cool for a snapshit. But it's not even a snapshit, it's pretending to be one. It has FAKE written all over it.

>>4438182
Can't wait until my parents can use AI to insert me into family photos without having me take shower and shave.

>>4438189
You can already do that right now bro

>>4438182
AI can't invent stuff, it still needs someone to go to that place and take a picture of it
It's the photoshop and cgi people that are in danger

>>4438173 (OP)
Yes, and that's the only way it can be "art".

>>4438183
Your honesty is a surveillance camera. Into the oven with ye.

>>4438195
>Your honesty is a surveillance camera
It's a public space. I don't need your permission to film and photograph you, okay? If you don't like it, you can stay at home with the curtains closed

>>4438192
sir the generative AI is VERY POWERFUL and can COMPUTE many places as you can see here I am in space

>>4438197
DON'T REDEEM

>>4438198
Street photography isn't real art. It's just a from of sport hunting hipsters play with their rangefinders!

NOOOOOOO YOU CANT STAGE A PHOTO EITHER. IT HAS A STREET IN IT! REEEEEEEE.

>>4438196
I can also point an extremely high powered modified laser pointer at your camera destroying the camera sensor instantly and ruining thousands of dollars of equipment.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT IT'S ILLEGAL NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4438200
You could probably get shot for that or sued into oblivion when you accidentally blind someone.

>>4438200
I'd call the cops and then my lawyer for a strange man causing destruction of my property. The damages will be replaced out of your pocket. Enjoy community service, I'll enjoy a new blackmagic URSA for street documentaries about people like you

as a rule of thumb, any statements about art on /p/ should be ignored. maybe 1% at best of posters demonstrate a practical understanding of art. mostly the word is used whichever way it can insult a particular genre, brand, or whatever online tribe.

>>4438205
LARP
if you actually believe that police catch even 1% of people who commit property damage you're actually insane
they just write a report and eat donuts and then go home to fuck their kids

>>4438208
Art is entirely subjective so therefore anyone's understanding/criteria of art is cute and valid =^_^=

>>4438211
Unfathomably based.

>>4438197
Based photographer.

Based on what?

>>4438211
honestly i don't think it's super cute or valid to pick the genre you don't like and then warp your definition of art to exclude that genre. like i said, rule of thumb

>>4438318
The dishonesty is pretty cute. Like a child with pockets stuffed full of candy saying they only took one piece and ate it already.

>>4438211
ywnbaw

>>4438178
I prefer reality and obviously staged comedic shots. I remember watching some uninspiring documentary about street photographers in New York where one photographer who was unironically a homosexual started blabbering about his traumatic childhood and whatnot.. The reason he was interviewed is because he won a price or something and he of course proclaimed that his award winning photo was authentic. The photo in question was a landscape orientation photo of a fag standing in one end holding a blue digicam and across the road was a blue triangular pattern painted on the wall stretching horizontally and at the end of it there was a woman so it looked like the fag was photographing the woman with a huge blue beam shooting out of his camera.

>>4440602
Kek, I bet it was staged though.

>>4440602
>camera color matched to the wall
>Green tank top analogous to blue wall
>Woman wearing red and orange complimentary to wall
lol that's so fake

BIG MAMI COOL

>>4440602
i hope phantom broadway paid this fag

"Street photographers", more like clickers

>>4440206
>>4440602
A walking cliche, defines street perfectly

For some reason I imagined street photographers were scrappy, low income, hardy, honest, manual labourer types that wanted to show the world where they lived and the people around them
Turns out streetfags are hyper rich trust fund babies who talk about how gear doesn't matter while owning 3 leicas and taking pictures of vintage cars in LA

>>4443165
hey look im a youtube street photographer
>gear doesnt matter
>how can anyone feel limited by a canon g7x
>when i feel limited by my canon g7x i use my leica m10
>and when i feel limited by my leica m10 and want to slow down and focus on quality i get out my hasselblad
>and when i find my hasselblad too slow i bring my sony a1
>but i took prefocused shots of skateboarders going back and forth on the hasselblad once (only used 10 rolls of ektachrome) so gear doesnt matter
>you can still take great photos with what you have

>>4443165
Be the change you want to see, son.

>>4440206
>>4440602
the only difference between this and an "authentic" street shit is that the "authentic one" took dozens of hours to setup using carefully selected actors, perfect coordination, state of the art lighting
none of the good street photography is real
it's just faked to such an extent it seems real

>>4443184
Yes, I've become intimately familiar with the human condition for quite some time. A large percentage will lie, cheat, steal and pee in the public pool no matter what you try to teach them about morality and acceptable behavior. I think with the emergence of AI a lot of those who have been in their slumber when it comes to all of this, thinking "oh it's not so bad" are finally starting to see through the veil because now they will have to question and not blindly accept because of how persistent the usage is.
This reminded me of a famous photo of the previous king of Norway who the press called "Folkekongen" meaning the king of the people as if he was a regular human being because of photos such as this when he in 1973 took the tram during the "oil crisis" instead of using his limo. Lots of rumors about him circulating in the grapevine and in those days such things were much easier to suppress. In my opinion a staged photo, but sold to the masses as a random snapshit from a professional photographer who just happened to be there.

>>4443195
my grandmother said she saw the king on the tram once in oslo when she was a kid. this must have been earlier than 1973 thoughever.

>>4443184
Bingoesque

>>4443184
That's a great photo lol

>>4438173 (OP)
>already has opinions made up on something
>pose a question anyway as if to start a back and forth discussion
is op inherently a fag

>>4444603
He's pondering whether or not the dishonesty of street photography is an inherent quality of it. It's the inherence that's being debated, not the dishonesty *itself*.

Between fashion and street, I have zero doubts that street is the more fraudulent of the two. Because it actively attempts to pass what's fake as the truth. At least fashion is honest about it being a bubblegum fantasy.
>>4444632
100% inherent

are Alex Webb pictures staged is the real question
because there's too. many incredible ones

>>4444632
Street is honest and real, most everything else is fake and dishonest

>>4446299
Now say it without sounding like an addiction was brought into question.

>>4438178
FUCK YOU.

>>4443165
It's both but you'll likely rarely see the formers work.