Thread 4442978

Hi /p/ ... I have to take my Leica M6 in for repairs and they will cost $1000. I'm willing & able to paypig up that amount but it's getting ridiculous. should i just get rid of it afterwards? anyone been through this?
>it's so expensive that i baby it + dont push as hard as cheaper cameras
>1/50 flash sync speed is bad
>no auto exposure
>rangefinder composition is worse than SLR (like, shooting through a chain link fence)
>limited lens selection (no zooms, no long lenses, no fisheye)
>m mount lenses aren't radically better than SLR lenses, and already it's 35mm film so it's never going to be perfect
more broadly im wondering if 35mm is even worth it instead of digishit + a medium format film camera

>>4442978 (OP)
Just get it fixed and then put it away in a closet. The price of these things is just going to go up

>>4442978 (OP)
sounds like you got one for tthe brand whore aspect and not because you enjoy rangefinders. you get what you deserve.

>>4442980
there is no actual reason to buy a leica

Leicas are like guns. And penises. Don't you like guns? And penises?
>The funniest thing about the LEICA M7 is how oddly familiar it feels.
>It took a while for it to dawn on me, and then I realized it's because holding a LEICA M7 feels just like holding a gun.
>By comparison, current Oriental cameras (Nikon, Canon, Casio, Sony, etc.) feel just like cell phones or video games.
Canons are video games. Don't you want the oddly familiar feel of a penis?

>>4442984
correct

>>4442980
yes i got it for the brand whore aspect. it is a cool fashion accessory. i go to parties with it. it could just as well be a nikon, though.

It is also an excellent camera. I really just use it as an interface to a voigtlander 28mm ultron ii i used on a leica CL. I thought it was an upgrade but it really hasn't been, i might just switch back to a clean leitz minolta CL, or a meterless leica

>>4442979
i dont think this is likely, given the re-release with the brass top plate, so now there's more supply of these in freshly-manufactured/new-parts condition.

>>4442978 (OP)
nice troll thread sour grapes ass niGGa my setup is under 2 lbs. my camera is 70 years old and works flawlessly, click the link to support my growing family dumbass

>>4442987
>i dont think this is likely,
all film cameras are going up because they don't make them any more. Besides people like things that are old

>>4443009
>because they don't make them any more
incredible... so this is reading comprehension on /p/

>>4443042
film cameras are not made anymore yes. rereleases don't matter because they're not "authentic"

>>4443047
the re-released m6's are re-manufactures of the same design. this makes them more valuable to photographers, not less. in what earthly way could anyone consider the new-build m6's to be inauthentic. their internal parts are interchangeable with all leicas m4-p and newer, maybe even more, and they have the benefit of not being manufactured 40 years ago.

>>4443058
It's not authentic because it's not from that time. There is a reason why a Telecaster from the 60s is worth more than a brand new one even though it's the same exact thing.

>>4443061
oh so you're a collector, got it

>>4443064
I'm not a collector. That's how the market is and you simply need to acknowledge that that's reality

>>4442984

The only people who say this are too poor to own one.

t. 1939 Leica IIIb full system user

name another pocketable full mechanical 35mm interchangebale lens camera, I carried this exact setup for a week in Ireland it was awesome. I used to say the same shit I even had a Soviet copypasta I wrote and used to spam here.

the only things that come close are the various Soviet and Japanese clones. the Soviet ones for the most part are shit unless they have been completely gone through with modern lubricants and survived Communism, and the Japanese clones are almost as much as a regular Barnack Leica these days.

>>4443143
Nobody is too poor to own a mechanical leica.
Leica is trash compared to Hasselblad for mirrorless systems
>yeah bro I pay more money for a camera that's worse in every way

i feel like this piece of shit is going to need repairs again in 3 months if it gets bumped around. ive lost all confidence in the brand, after it gets out of repair i really dont know if im going to keep it. i just really like my voigtlander 28mm and 50mm glass with the proper framelines and integrated meter.

idk whats the least retarded / bulletproof option: keep it, sub it with a nikon f2 thats 1/10th the price, or get rid all my 35mm gear and just go hasselblad 6x6 only

>>4443143
>2 windows
Nigga...

>>4442986
When you look a leica camera from upside it's quite similar to m1911 shape

>>4443143
my pen-f is smaller, has autofocus, has better image quality than 35mm film and can use more than 1 iso setting for 36 frames. another win for micro four thirds

>>4443143
I have the same strap, came with my Nikon S2

>>4443159

I totally forgot about those, okay ill give it to you. I mean for basic snapshitting are they any good? I've been wanting a non-shitty pocketable m4/3dmxwx

>>4443162

I found a bin of straps at an antique dealer and there were like 6 of those in it and I bought them all. two went to Soviet cams, this one went to a Kodak Retina RF after I put a leather strap on it, and two went to my Kodak Retina Reflex system and the last one ended up on a Kodak Signet 35. They're so fuckin cool

>>4443151

so? makes servicing a piece of fuckin cake, I gotta do the finder on my Canon 7 and that thing is a bear to get to. I might just send it off.

>>4443163
micro four thirds is not "any good", it's the best.

>>4443166
I spray painted mine all black to match my M4-P lol, ended up just mostly flaking off over time

>>4443166
fuck i want one of those but they seem expensive for what they are on ol fleabay. the semi-quick release thing i rigged up with a lobster clasp i just found out is denting the top plate right above the lug on my m3. good thing it was a user body already or i might have been pissed, but still, looking for new straps.

>>4442987
M lenses hit a nice balance of IQ and size that other mounts, besides maybe E, don't. They're more fun to adapt than SLR lenses since the adapter is so much thinner.
I'd sell the M6 and keep the lenses to use on mirrorless. If you still want a conversation starter for parties, then try a Sigma bf, it also looks cool with M lenses.

>>4443150
35mm film kinda sucks, it was a compromise even back in the film days and is way overpriced for what it is today. You can of course get excellent results with it, however the value proposition remains questionable given what you can achieve with modern digital.
I also use M-mount Voigtlander stuff (coincidentally a 28 and 50 like you) on mirrorless, and it's fucking great. Best move of my entire photographic career when it comes to sheer enjoyment of the activity.
Right now my split looks like:
>FF mirrorless workhorse + a couple M-mount lenses, no native AF stuff yet
>APS-C compact for the pocket, taken to work, errands, going out etc.
>35mm SLR for whenever I'm feeling retarded + a few lenses for it that I also adapt to my workhorse
>6x6 SLR that I barely use because the waist level finder being inverted is FUCKING AIDS to use and having to meter externally is also a pain on the go
I would soon like to add a compact full frame MILC like a Sigma fp to put the tiny 28mm on so that I don't have to swap in the field all the time, or I may get a GRIV for the same purpose instead.

>>4443283
>the value proposition remains questionable
the value proposition is that i enjoy using the variety of film cameras out there. not so much an adherence to film itself. this argument always doesn't make sense to me, it's like saying "we have better options than gas anymore why still drive gas cars" to someone who wants to drive different types of vehicles, you know? it ain't about the gas.

>>4443287
I get it, I just mean in terms of IQ, theoretical price per image, processing times and potentially shipping to/from labs, opportunity cost of buying lab equipment if you decide to do things yourself etc.
For me dealing with all that makes more sense when it's something more special than mere 35mm or even 645 desu

>>4443296
>For me dealing with all that makes more sense when it's something more special than mere 35mm
this feeling is why i'm currently looking at what's on the auction site for mini and submini formats lol. perhaps a different kind of "special" than what you ment, but hey just for the fun of it. anything sub-half frame is going to be crap but hey i could keep a minox in my ass, you know? lol

>>4443300
>old cheap cameras prone to self-destruct at any moment
>format nearly impossible to find
>admits images will look like dogshit
Brother just get a GR and be done with it...

>>4443283
>>6x6 SLR that I barely use because the waist level finder being inverted is FUCKING AIDS to use and having to meter externally is also a pain on the go
Just buy the AE prism
>but its big
Buy a medium format rangefinder
>sigma fp
lol 1/4 inch off the a7c to lose the distinguishing feature of a camera (real shutter). even with film cameras a 1/30 sync speed on a focal plane shutter was considered unacceptably bad.

>>4443305
>AE prism
Would rather just buy another full frame lens for the price of that thing.
>lol 1/4 inch off the a7c to lose the distinguishing feature of a camera (real shutter). even with film cameras a 1/30 sync speed on a focal plane shutter was considered unacceptably bad.
That would matter if it was my only camera. If I need flash I'll just use my main, + never buying Sony, sneethe about it

>>4443306
Imagine being out with your camera and having to settle for jello shutter distortion because of your position in a 4chan-specific brand fanboy war
>anon why is everything stretched and tilted
>im not buying a fucking sony stacy
>anon what? are you ok?
>fucking snoy turns people into shrek stacy. snoys are the worst posters on vee stacy. i'm not buying a snoy. cry about it.
>i was going to ask if your camera was made to make funny distorted cat memes or if its a setting
>stop shilling snoy stacy im not going to buy snoy you fucking pajeet
>ANON WHAT

>>4443308
>i will not buy the snoy it turns people into shrek and explodes when you touch it panasonic is 9000 times better made than a snoy, panasonic is better snoy is not a good camera IT IS NAHT
>oh hi mark

>>4443308
>sneething about it
Like pottery

>>4443324
>i am going to buy bad cameras instead of good cameras because of a forced meme from 4chan /p/
ok here's what you do
you buy the sigma fp, take a few photos of it next to your dog, and then you return it and buy the sony

no exif anymore so no one will be none the wiser

or, if you insist on basing your entire life on being "based" on 4chan (because 4chan lives rent free in your head and controls you even when you're not here), stop being a weenie and buy a 907x so at least you're getting a truly good camera instead of disappointing FF digital quality with 1/30s rolling shutter

>>4443327
>implying my aversion to Sony has anything to do with 4chan memes
They just suck. I tried a bunch in store, they're ass to handle and the files aren't anything special that I can't find in bodies that suit me more. And they're objectively the worst system for adapting the lenses I own because of the fuckhuge cover glass causing induced field curvature and color shift. If this kind of stuff doesn't bother you then all power to you, enjoy your camera. But they don't suit me and their lauded benefits are of lesser relevance to my shooting style. Hence, never buying Sony, sneethe about it.
Re: Sigma, I don't give a fuck about mild e-shutter distortion that only happens with very fast moving targets. I don't shoot sports or moving cars and if I do need to then I have 2 other bodies with mechanical shutters. Same goes for flash. Please stop projecting your own buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance.

>>4443328
>memes memes
Not a reason
>Poor compatibility with leica lenses
There, an actual reason.
>mild e-shutter distortion
The piss poor rolling shutter on ligmas and panashits is more than mild. Those pieces of shit can't take a photo of someone walking without noticeable lean. It's not JUST "anything moving" either, it's also subject to light flicker banding.

They're falling off the bottom of market share charts for a reason and its because their products are dogshit. It costs a camera company $50 and 50g to put a single curtain shutter (the bare minimum) in. They did not because they were afraid of having a product sell well, which would make them feel like their much larger and worse designed bodies were a waste of time and hurt their feelings. The only people that buy that crap have emotional attachments and aversions regarding brands.

And, to end it, the sigma fp and lumix s9 have corner smearing issues with leica shit. The sensor filters are just a bit too thick. The only brand that makes a point of using super thin filters is nikon because they're an optics company first and a camera division last.

I don't have a sony btw. I have never owned any professional or prosumer cameras. I only rent them.

>>4443331
>I have never owned any professional or prosumer cameras. I only rent them.
based and not wearing a $3000 autism necklace for fun pilled

>>4443302
Using a minox and using a Ricoh are not the same experience at all. You don’t understand, if I wanted to go and capture clean images I have a mirrorless camera or a phone. This is an exercise in using the cameras itself. “Why cook on a stove it’s such a pain just use the microwave” is essentially what you’re saying.

>>4443331
>There, an actual reason.
Not just Leica.
>subject to light flicker banding
Easily solved by shooting at the right shutter speed, + there are options to do so automatically with flicker detection.
I agree that the lack of a mechanical shutter in these cameras is a serious downside, but these are the compromises.
>sigma fp and lumix s9 have corner smearing issues with leica shit
There, an actual reason.
If Nikon (or Leica themselves) were to come out with a FF compact as/close to as small as a Sigma or gripless A7C, it would be a strong choice, but unfortunately nothing like it exists.
In my case the choice in this class boils down to literally just A7C and Sigma and Sigma wins for the reasons I have stated. The only way to avoid these issues is to bypass them entirely with e.g a compact non-system camera.

>>4443337
>“Why cook on a stove it’s such a pain just use the microwave” is essentially what you’re saying.
No, it's more like "why cook on solid fuel tablets every day it's such a pain and makes your food taste like petrol just use the stove".
Might be fun for a little while but ultimately just a gimmick.

>>4443342
>>4443342
Yeah fun for a little while is all I’m after man lol why come at me like I said everyone should adopt this as the new standard or something

>>4443143
How is the viewfinder? Ive been looking at one of these but i hate small dark viewfinders. I have a Kodak retina II I barely use because its so hard to see. Ive been split between a older barnack style Leica or a Canon P.

>>4442978 (OP)
>$1000 repair
desu for me, at that price I would just find something else to do or use a different camera. That's insane imo and just seems just so much money.

But if it is worth it to you then go ahead I guess.

the barnackfag itt is right
sell your m6 and buy a iid or iii
or ya know. stop whining and start shooting

>>4443358
canon p with screw-mount color-skopar 35mm f/2.5 is a GOAT setup. the m6 and leitz cle i since "upgraded" to offered nothing above it. barnack leicas are not worth it IMO, their ergonomics are bad. the rewind knob is annoying and the separate rangefinder/viewfinder is an annoying extra step

>>4443396
>>4443370
>stop whining and start shooting
illiterate brokeies

>>4443406
>spends $1000+ to fix outdated photographic technology

>>4442978 (OP)
What confuses me about Leica m-series is how online discourse ignores the elephant in the room: The lack of autofocus. It's so expensive (time and money for film) to get good at it. And even when you're good at it – better take every portrait twice or thrice to make sure.

>>4443406
if canon is the rf of choice, just step up to the 7/7s or VIL. get the adjustable viewfinder rather than just etched lines, which havingt used both it's a small difference but i prefer to the P. back when i bought my 7s they were more or less all kinda the same price but it was a few years ago.

>>4443358

It's decent. It's small but very bright, at least my copy is. They are cake to clean and if you need a bigger finder, the G that has the DIN disc on the back is a nice upgrade but they are like 700 bucks for a Barnack Leica you're just paying for the bigger finder.

>>4443429

this is also correct, I have the 7 and having adjustable VF is pretty cool, and it is big but can be a pain to clean. The meter on it is questionable but also adjustable through a screw under the top plate in the back of the inside, just above the shutter opening, can do it on a roll change. I've got mine adjusted to within a stop, it will get me well into the ballpark and I can adjust on what I see through the eye and usually nail the exposure.

>>4443424

skill issue, I'm nailing f1.5 focus on an old shitty Soviet FED-2, git gud

>>4443424
It's very easy to nail focus with practice, very muscle memory compared to other systems
Not as good for tracking high action movement, but even someone at a jogging pace is doable.
Anything slower is easy

one of the only reasons i think im keeping it is because its one of the few cameras i can think of that you can carry around without giving people the ick

iphone camera, leica, hasselblad, idk anything else

>>4443758
>leica, hasselblad
eww he's a pretentious gay hipster
>sony
he fucks

>>4443758
pentax p50

>>4443758
>carry around without giving people the ick
have you heard of our lord and saviour the gx680iii? picrel is basically me except i don't live in gay toronto

>>4443758

>Giving a single shit about the ick

You are not a photographer, you are wearing a fashion statement.

>Mfw daily drive RB67 with left grip and prism finder

>>4443943
rb67 is on the shortlist. ive seen at least 4 people out on the street with an rb67 here in nyc, twice doing fashion photoshoots in soho. theres a huge market for them on the local facebook marketplace. it feels more popular and renowned than the pentax and hasselblad stuff currently.

cant believe im unironically asking this...
would a olympus stylus zoom epic 80 be a big downgrade from voigtlander 28mm 2.8. m6 is feeling more and more like a ticking time bomb

>>4444682
28mm f2 i mean

>>4444682
any of those shitty film pns is a ticking time bomb. at least a lot of people know how to fix leicas and you can easily find quality instructions to do it yourself, and leica is making replacement parts.

you tried to save money on excess by buying a used up example of a luxury good that is primarily marketed to people in the "half mil net worth" bracket and up. now after you dodged fakes and basket cases, your camera is showing decades of wear regardless and you have to fix it. this negates a large amount of the savings. but it is still cheaper than buying the "rich jew's family heirloom" camera brand spanking new.

alas it is the life you chose.
and no, buying other old shit will not be an improvement. if you want reliability and affordability you have to go down-market.

also see: buying used rolex watches on ebay
>my rolex costs a lot to fix. should i buy this ancient seiko instead? its a lot cheaper

why is every 28mm street snapshitter obsessed with using film on a Leica m6 with flash? Is it a disease?

>>4444761
read this book and you'll stop asking questions like this

>>4444763
Did your trip get banned again or something cinefag? You're really going on a shitposting spree

>>4444778
Man cinefag really did a number on you didn't he? Talk about rent free livin'

>>4443143
>too poor to own one
>buys the cheapest leica which isnt even a real leica

>>4443143
>I used to say the same shit I even had a Soviet copypasta I wrote and used to spam here.
I always believed that was just satire on your part, jej.

>>4444763
Does this have a section on flash steet leica photography

>>4444913

It was.

>>4444909

I have 700 bucks into just body and 50mm Summitar on that camera and I still had to fix it and CLA the lens myself.