>no darktable thread
How we enjoying 5.2 so far anons?

>>4445649 (OP)
By not using it, lel. Ahoy, matey!

Installed it, high DPI support was fucky, lagged like hell, ass defaults, missing tons of lens and camera support
Uninstalled it and kept using capture one because $200 for a discounted perpetual license is less money than a chink prime and adds way more to your photography than said chink prime

I just managed to learn how to find all the important options in this fucking menu. Does the new version change the menu significantly?

Here's the change log
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-5.2.0

>>4445649 (OP)
>opensores
Not thanks id rather open sores into my rectum

>sigmoid the new default
Makes sense. I swapped awhile ago and haven't looked back. I bet that discussion got slightly heated though.

>>4445649 (OP)
>Add a new setting to change which images are taken into account for
>actions: By default, the image under the cursor takes priority. With
>this parameter enabled, the selected images will take priority
fucking finally
who the fuck thought that was a good UI design to begin with

>>4445649 (OP)
I've been lazy to update. I use an AppImage. Am I going to lose my configs and whatnot when I download a new AppImage?
>>4445659
No.
>>4445698
This is a little frustrating. I feel like I've just got Filmic RGB decently figured out after reading docs on why it's the better and the default over Sigmoid. Why does it make sense to swap it now?
>>4445710
Yeah that was an obvious weakness. Darktable needs to do more changes like that.

All in all, I like Darktable. It is a little unergonomic sometimes, however.

I've been playing around with darktable for about an hour, pretty shocked by how much you can pull out of pictures with the tone equalizer. i need to do some more reading but i might make the switch and ditch piece of shit ass lightroom.

>>4445716
I use Appimage too, it transferred my module presets

How does everyone feel about RawTherapee? Curious what the opinion on the FOSS options are in general.

>>4445716
>This is a little frustrating.
You can change the default back in settings! It's just for beginners. Keep using filmic if you know how, it's more flexible.

>>4445649 (OP)
Open source software is omly free if your time is worth nothing.

>>4445666
>>4445759
What is the appeal of being a corporate shill on principle?

>>4445760
Seethe freetard. Day of the Loonix desktop will never happen. Open source software will always be useless.

Why do you guys need software to edit the pictures you don't post,?

>>4445649 (OP)
Darktable sucks. It's even worse than Rawtherapee. It's so frustrating to use, you can't find shit.

The whole Linux image editing ecosystem is so far behind Adobe in usability. And most frustrating is that linux-cultists pretend that it wasn't.

Even the "10€ one time purchase in Apples Appstore" category of programs are so much better

>>4445649 (OP)
Darktable is allowed to be user unfriendly at the same time Adobe is for different reasons. Both suck in their own special way. I don't know why anyone needs to root for one or the other like it's their favourite sports team... actually scratch that, it lines up rather well with the gearfagging.
Darktable isn't *that* hard to figure out or use regularly. I'm still going to buy C1 when it goes on sale next though.

>>4445649 (OP)
Same as before, it's absolute dogshit

>>4445750
>>4445737
Good to know. Thanks.

>>4445760
>noooo! businesses making money! EVIL!
lol you're a communist

why do communists always live comfy lives with purchased luxuries instead of starving in north korea like they want everyone else to do

So after trying this out for a few hours, I'm making the switch. The UI is the worst of all time, but this style modules jsut makes way more sense for photo editing, and I'm not contastly fighting against the software to get the shadow and highlight tonalities that I want like I am in Lightroom. The ability to quickly add LUTs is way better than having to make profiles in ACR to use in LR.

>>4446416
Nothing burger old snapshit, but I'm pleased with how quickly I got the Vision3 look I'm going for.

I like all the tools and editing workflow, lighttable needs work though. Why doesn't it have dual monitor support?

>>4445654
>discounted
When do they have discounts?

>>4446424
Usually twice a year, once in Spring, other in Fall. Last year was ~$180 around the end of august.
They did mostly get rid of the perpetual license upgrade discount though.

>>4446425
Cool, I'll keep an eye out.

>>4446423
Light table is absolute frustration; how selection behavior works makes no sense at all and does not adhere to common software conventions

>>4445649 (OP)
I've only ever used it when threads here pop up. For free software it does have a lot of options and control. You can just ignore like 80% of the settings / tools, and realistically do all your editing with like 4-5 of them. All you really need are ways to adjust color, tone, and texture, and it has many options for those like other software.
For someone starting out, I can see how it would feel not very accessible. Even with +20 years of Photoshop, +15 years of Lightroom, many years with C1, etc, I still found it a bit unintuitive. For instance, middle click on the color equalizer chart will bring up traditional HSL sliders, but it's not really labeled anywhere and none of the other tool settings / adjustments enable it either (at least that I've seen).
I've been a big defender for it here, and I still think it's a very capable program, but I really wouldn't recommend it to anyone without prior editing experience.

>>4446544
>dodgy lens support
>404 camera profiles not found
>noise reduction is ass
>raw sharpening worse than fuckin gimp (lr/c1 seem to have actual detail reconstruction that operates off raw bayer data, dt does not seem to do this, if it does its bad at it)
darktable is ONLY for getting a neat histogram and taking a 16 bit tiff into a better program

>>4446552
>i must shit on something anytime someone says its okay
negative people are lame

>>4446584
photography is a negative person’s hobby

>>4445649 (OP)
>darktable
I only use RAW images. Processed images are an abhorrent to nature.

>>4446587
fuck you I am a schizo

>>4446449
the light table is frustrating, yes. I find the "history" even worse: Why doesn't it let me click elements and delete them lol

>>4446587
for you
i actually like stuff

>>4445654
My RAW now comes out too magenta with my current RAW presets. Not really happy, but havent yet had the time to fix, since I made so many new photos and currently stuck in lighttable filtering, organizing and deleting. It like a full weeks work.

>>4446416
>quickly add LUTs
That's with the 3D LUT module right? I never have touched that but should.

I chose Darktable because it's free, but honestly, grading colors is a nightmare and the shadows/highlights sliders have almost no flexibility.
Does anyone know any other reliable alternative or should I just pay Lr?
I can afford it, but I think it's stupid they don't offer a one-time purchase license.

>>4446694
You should sail the seven seas matey

>>4446707
i'll never forget how she laughed at her boyfriend's shirmpdick while he was fucking her, are all french women such frigid whores?

>>4446709
No idea of what you're talking about, I assume it's Amelie-related. Didn't watch the movie and don't plan to, but she's the face of a popular group in the scene.

>>4446587
This is a good joke

>>4446694
I just went back to LR. I tried all free options and most paid ones, Affinity Photo was promising but the workflow and the atrocious clunky user interface turned me away. I would not expect such opensource-like shittiness in a full price paid software. After Shot Pro was great and it worked on Linux and I might still get it for my Linux desktop. I also tried Luminar AI and Neo but it leans heavily on AI and has very little of the classic toolset. Most of it's workflow is to send it off to some AI to do something. No bueno.

The sad reality is that Adobe is so far unavoidable in a Linux/Mac setting with a few exceptions and lots of compromise. More so if you need Photoshop-like work as well. There is just no alternative for it.

>>4446707
I looked for it, but I only know websites for games lol

>>4446791
Well, gotta pay Lr then, eventually.
Just because it's quicker to work with.

>>4446816
Yep, no competing with that workflow, even with how bad the catalog system is

>>4446791
>Affinity Photo was promising but the workflow and the atrocious
those assholes jebaited me with the perpetually "Coming Soon™" lightroom alternative that has never materialized, i bought version 1 of both their photoshop and illustrator. then they kiked out and switched to subscription model and i saw no worth in continuing with that software. at least they didn't purposefully break the old programs. man fuck those guys. classic "startup company" overpromise underdeliver bullshit.

>>4446854
oh, maybe it looks like they didn't go subscription based after all, but they still fucked everyone over for buying V1 and not allowing migration to v2. gay.

>>4446709
Guess we know who had a shrimp dick now.

>>4446854
>>4446858
You're retarded. A business model based on one time payment for a new version every few years is exactly what we want.

I bought Photoshop cs3, cs4, and cs6 when they were sold as one time payments and said goodbye when they introduced subscriptions. I will buy Affinity v3 immediately when it comes out - for the sake of supporting them alone.

>>4447442
Interesting you like to pay more, the one time payments were 5-10x more the equivalent subscription price

>>4447449
I'd pay even more than 10x if it means ownership instead of renting

>>4447449
>>4447509
I also own a Fuji GFX 100 II and several lenses. And use it for 3-4 trips and 1 vacation per year.

I could rent this setup for like $350 for 4 days. It would be so much cheaper to just rent it a few years. And automatically rent the even newer model every 3 years. But i don't. Because I want to own.

darktable can load my camera's actual raw files without some bullshit conversion step, it doesn't gobble all my system resources making it difficult to use other applications at the same time, it isn't full of weird bugs that you'd think paying monthly for would somehow fix. i like it.

most people who hate it are idiots that don't want to admit they can't learn to use another piece of software.

>>4447518
every freetard
>it runs faster on my piece of shit thinkpad
>you just couldn't learn to use it
no, learning to work around a volunteer software developers autistic incompetence is just at the bottom of the priority list for non-autistic people

>>4447523
64GB RAM and 24GB VRAM and Lightroom absolutely has to use ALL of it.

>>4447534
what the fuck is a ram lol i think my mac has over 100 of those

>>4445649 (OP)
I've been using it on and off for years on linux boxes. All I do is a few quick edits before exporting to other software lol. I ain't trying to manage large libraries with this shit, I've never used any linux apps that can do that without glitching and choking.

>>4447511
>>4447511
So you're dumb with your money, nice

>>4447523
If you can't figure out darktable with a few hours of learning, you are retarded

>>4447555
>open sores
>take a few hours to learn, still indaequate after those hours
>C1/LR
>up and running in minutes, professional results as expected fast and easy
the year of the linux desktop, SOON™

>>4447559
affinity is great, capture one is better, but only people with low shutter count and adobe pajeets defend the bloated shitmass that is lightroom

>>4447559
C1 is obviously better
Still retarded if darktable is too much for you to figure out

>>4447566
All linux users can do is accuse people of being too dumb to use their junk

Little do they know, this is 4chan. Everyone here has installed gentoo and used far more opaque software than darktable. Ever written you own emacs macros? I did that shit in highschool and my init.el had to include 20 other files all of which I wrote myself. I ended up getting extra credit because the professor thought my emacs setup was perfect. After that class I never programmed again because programming is gay and business degrees are where its at.

Darktable still isn't worth my time.

>>4447572
Sorry to hear you're too retarded to figure it out old man

>>4447575
The only retard is the darktable dev making it so there's something to figure out in the first place

All the modules should be removed and the default interface replaced with a lisp prompt

>>4447576
Not sure I'd trust a retards opinion of what's wrong with the program, sorry

>>4447579
Oh I see, you use arch linux. I use a mac because it's POSIX compliant. Not like you'd know what that means.

-Sent from my Thinkpad

>>4447580
>Not like you'd know what that means.
I don't but at least I know how to use darktable

>>4447583
You know how to accomplish the most basic things in darktable? So do I, but then it crashes, because it's poorly made and can't run on a real machine.

>>4447586
Sounds like a computer issue, mine doesn't crash
I wouldn't assume it's darktable though, who knows what other retard stuff you're into

>>4447559
AfterSHot Pro is native on Linux, I had good experience with it. It's like the basic CS4-CS6 era Lightroom with most of the bells and whistles. Good workflow. Doesn't mangle colors like Darktable.

I use and enjoy darktable. This simple fact is enough to make someone seethe, cope, and shit everywhere.

When I use the Color Calibration module, if I change the illuminant drop down to "as shot in camera," I presume it's using something from the raw exif to calculate correction, but it's always too green. It felt like it was gaslighting me into thinking it was neutral, but I'm confident it's erroneously too green. I've gone through the docs, but don't feel like I have a handle on the dropdown. As such, I leave it on Planckian black body and just drop the temperature down until it feels good.

Am I missing something? I don't understand parts of that module.

>>4447592
Right, couldn't be darktable. Nothing but stable genius shit over there, right?
https://ansel.photos/en/news/darktable-dans-le-mur-au-ralenti/

>>4447633
>darktable sucks bro
does this look like the portfolio of someone who knows what they're talking about?
https://photo.aurelienpierre.com/portfolio-items/reportages/

>>4447643
he's a snapshitter like the rest of us, big deal. ansel is considerably better to use than darktable so he must be doing something right.

>>4447643
that's peak math major photography

Logically correct but composed without an ounce of feeling, because a math major can not imagine a shitty photograph having feeling. To a math major, photography can not be art. They do make decent and even excellent painters, but a math major by their nature rejects photography as an artistic pursuit except in the most basic terms that also makes riding bicycles an art.

Don't trust anyone with funky, hard to identify photos like daido moriyama to write software

>>4447633
Oh so that's why it always crashes and only generates usable colors and NR in very specific configurations

Love darktable and the new features are all going in the right direction. Its a funny bonus how darktable makes the part time wedding fotogs seethe. They cant admit the real reason tho: darktable includes no generative AI to fix their bad work so its "unusable" for them. Literally based

>>4447643
I regularly see photos like this get dunked on in /rpt/
utterly unremarkable photography but perhaps a decent businessman. buy an ad next time.

>>4447649
lmao get rekt Pierre you mediocre frog muncher
you are a shit artist and a mediocre programmer
your shit fork doesn't even follow proper release model kek

>>4447735
Interesting interpretation. Makes me feel a little guilty looking for a FOSS ML denoiser.

When you say "fix their bad work," what exactly are you referring to? Something beyond denoising? Where is the line, in your opinion, using AI programs?

>>4447737
If he was a good artistic photographer he would be too schizophrenic to write software. Every good photographer is mentally ill as all fuck and only mentally ill people can even appreciate them. Photography is angst adjacent. Unlike music and painting, it can no coexist with rational thought.

>>4447735
Capture one doesn't have generative AI either and is the #1 most recommended program here on "/p/ - if you use ANY GNU licensed software, fucking DIE"

All it has is AI masking so you can make a subject mask in 5 seconds instead of 1.5 hours

I am quite fond of Darktable for film processing, but RawTherapee is quicker and give nicer color when working digital.

>>4447805
skell issue SKIL ISHUE
a REAL and VERY SMART photugrafur like me draws his subject masks by hand with a wacon tablet >:( darktable is fine!!!! you're just too stoopid to use it and im smarter than someone for onse!!!!

t. only shoots manual, only shoots raw, uses linux

>>4447806
Are they different enough that learning a second is worth it? Darktable is already enough to drink in.

>>4447813
Doesn't sound like a skill issue, sounds like they could still figure out darktable, and they just prefer something else

>>4447805
I bet you feather and blur that mask too you filthy casual. No one ever needed a perfect isolated selection of the subject to edit a photo. Thats scrap booking

>the workflow in darktable sucks so bad I tried it once and uninstalled it after 3 min
Translation: there is no button I can click to open the best mans eyes in a shot where he blinked

>>4447900
freetards still coping

What is a "freetard"? Is it some american term Im too civilized to understand?

>>4447909
A freetard is someone who only uses crappy software made by people who weren't good enough to work for a software company. They tend to pretend they're smarter but they're actually notoriously stupid and rely on google and wikis to do basic shit like get audio and wifi working.

>>4447916
>audio
>wifi
Do you know where you are? Is there someone youd like me to call who can pick you up?

>>4447917
>what is video
>what is tethering
This guy dont have no job

>>4447917
The probably have no idea, sounds like another one of the retards got lose
>when i type audio, i really mean video
>when i type wifi, i really mean tethering
>you're the unemployed one!

Pirate everything. Especially Adobe products.

>>4447916
>Tell me you're a Leica owner without saying you own a Leica

>>4447953
Audio is the most important part of video, And wifi IS important for tethering, but I digress, it is mostly unrelated to /p/, but it's very related to free software being shit. Darktable is just one turd in a very large sewer.

>>4447916
Sounds like freetards are a cut above the average faggot who asks chatGPT to spoon feed them

>>4448064
I would've guessed video is the most important part of video, but I'm not a retard so

So this guy tried to install linux once back in the 00s when drivers was still a manual thing (and he failed lol, too proud to "google and wiki"). Now he woke up from a coma 20 years later and since only freetards use google he cant find another forum to complain on?

>>4445698
default sigmoid settings ALSO suck unless they changed them
>bro just clip anything even close to white so the brightest thing in the image is newspaper grey
"no"

I hope you're not too poor, and can use ergonomic software instead of autismal spergfiesta

>>4448167
Ill have you know that I have both an iphone and a (sub)lease, so literal upper crust. Of course I can afford apps

>>4448169
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nitro-photo/id1591292532

>>4447804
to be an artist truly requires an immodest degree of sensuality

>>4448167
>>4448177
Buy an ad raj

>>4445649 (OP)
There are a lot of modules in Darktable. The docs recommend using the scene-referred workflow. I'll reread the the definition and their reasoning why to use it, but I haven't exactly internalized it. There are some modules I like to use from the display-referred workflow, but in the back of my mind, I feel like I'm breaking some best practices by doing so. Yet I can't grok the docs well enough to understand exactly why.

For the most part, I don't give a shit and just use whatever produces what I think looks cool. That said, does anybody with more knowledge of photography and darktable have a take on this? Does it matter? Should I not be using modules which may deprecate in the future?