Thread 4447970

Disciples of Leni Riefenstahl will inherit photography. The color of your skin doesn't matter. What matters is your devotion to God of Beauty. Pagan soul must return. Sources of art lie in Earth and blood. Reject capitalist specter and old Gods will bless thy art. Drink well from the spring of Life.

>Absolute control
>Absolute coherence
>Absolute formalism
>Absolute beauty

Embrace formalism
Reject degeneracy

Structure is beauty

>>4447970 (OP)
and to think that i've legitimately seen people here argue fervently that national socialism had no artists and no aesthetic sensibility. look, i get it, but just because you think something looks good doesn't mean you want to be a N-A-Z-I, jeez.

>>4448037
The problem is nazi art isn't just good, it's superior. And they don't want to admit that. So they push degenerate "art".

more like queefenstahl, amirite fellas

I'm just gonna say it
Leni was a babe

>>4447973
the picture of aesthetics holy jeez. absolutely kino.

>>4447970 (OP)
>Riefenstahl
I think she has an eye for peak form, but sometimes I feel like she is the female equivalent of the "male gaze" memes. The male form often gets treated in a sensual way that you image she is rubbing one out behind the camera

>>4448082
what's the problem with that? the ideal male form is peak aesthetic beauty, the old masters didn't deify it for nothing. not even gay it's just the truth.

Sometimes I imagine the old photographers as modern ones. I think about how they would make youtube videos and have panasonic sponsorships. Then the mystique is gone

>>4448085
i'm saying i have mixed feelings, but it's hard to argue with how good it looks, you see a bit of the same essence in triumph of the will

>>4448087
>leni shilling for her presets
>now let’s throw skittles on this image, and WUNDERBAR, zis is magic yes?
Grim.

>>4448098
lol she would probably take pictures of a bunch of gay models with muscles and everyone would yas queen her

>>4447970 (OP)
Horrible discus technique.
What were they thinking?

>>4447970 (OP)
>The color of your skin doesn't matter.
Is there even a single thread not being a psyop on this yiddish site? If the color of your skin doesn't matter, why do you have to repeat it doesn't matter again and again and again? Why does 13% of the population with the same skin color commits 50% of the crimes? Why did another group create computers, internet, engines, electricity etc, including your dear photographies you love that much?

>>4447970 (OP)
>>4448037
>>4448049
The problem is that you don't actually like fascist art. You like it because it is fascist no matter of what it actually looks like.

Also fuck off back to pol loser

>>4448037
>>4448049
Simple fact is that communist, fascist and nazi art was on steroids during the first half of 20th century because they all sought domination. Yes, the countries and external circumstances do matter a lot but here's the thing the great artist will always be a fierce individual. There are no other options for her. She has to be the God of her creation.

>>4448135
I used that cope because I am "brown".

>>4448151
Leni wasn't a fascist. She was a nazi. Italian fascists and Soviets were avant-garde and nazi were classicists.

>>4448087
No, Moriyama's mystique is still there even after his video interviews.

>>4448156
Leni Riefenstahl was never a party member (though like many Germans she probably shared some of their beliefs).

I've read her memoirs and the Steven Bach biography and the conclusion I've come to is that she was narcissistic, attracted to power and used people to get what she wanted. I don't think she was evil, just politically naïve.

>>4448157
Mekas was unfathomably based

>>4448151
Natsoc art was well curated. But even the Soviet Union had some good artists, damn good even.

>>4448266
Ugh, should have opened the thumbnail before posting.

>>4448151
You’re on the opposite side of of the same retarded coin lol you just see where something came from and refuse to acknowledge it for what it is regardless of its inherent qualities or attributes.

>>4448266
Sir this is a blue board

>>4447973
only good one, the rest are just snapshits

>>4448283
>>4448269
lol what was there?

>>4448291
A shameful file that was wrong in every way imaginable
https://archived.moe/p/thread/4447970/#4448266

>>4448159
not talking about interviews. I'm talking about having paid sponsors on youtube channels

>>4447970 (OP)
You forgot
>absolutely kino

>>4448087
>bringing up Panasonic out of the blue in a Leni Riefenstahl thread
Is it psychosis or just neurosis?

>>4450873
would you have preferred if I brought up your favorite brand instead?

>>4450874
Do you see Aki Kaurismäki with a shitty youtube channel sponsored by a photo camera brand? Andrey Zvyagintsev maybe? Werner Herzog? Terrence Malick?
There's zero reason to conclude Riefenstahl would shill any brand on youtube.

>>4450881
There's also zero reason to conclude the opposite. As always a faggot tripfag shows up with a dog shit nerd no fun opinion. Eat shit

>>4450883
Yes, the fact that all the directors I mentioned are well respected much like Riefenstahl and they don't shill gear on youtube. Shilling gear is a grifter's job, not an accomplished artist's.

>>4450890
You need to go away and think for 1000o years before you are qualified to think about analyzing my satire

>>4450892
That does give me some peace of mind, knowing that the whole panashills everywhere breakdown was a bit and not that we have a clinically insane poster amogus

>>4447970 (OP)
The best part in the triumph of the will is the intro and it’s not even her work

>>4447972
Reversion backward to Formalism is literal degeneracy.

>>4451096
Not that it matters much since photography is dead as an art form anyway and only exists bc it’s been commodified to utter valuelessness as personal journalism. I guess you you want to jerk off to lost causes, nazi’s and primitive basic artistic movements are probably your speed, sure. You can waste your empty life arguing for it on the internet and appeal to other bored losers.

>>4451096
>Undoing a degeneration is degenerating
"Regrowing your amputated legs is literally becoming crippled"
"Turning straight again after being gay is literally homosexual"

>>4451100
Nazi art was honest. Aesthetics are objective, end of story.

Jewish art is dishonest. Aesthetics are subjective, until you aren't allowed to disagree with the current state of subjectivity.

>>4451104
the problem is thing 1 only appeals to actual intellects and thing 2 appeals to lacking intellects that nonetheless want to signal higher intellectual status than they actually possess
>bro, its just color and texture, i philoso-babbled about how this is technically still art, i am very cultured and smart <-0.7 GPA in math

so art being based off in jokes, meta, and explaining things to each other ad nauseum ultimately enables higher levels of money laundering

>>4451104
Sounds like every 15yo friendless victim boy who retreats into their own mind and indulges in unrealistic fantasies of his own power and magnificence. How extraordinarily predictable, another stunted internet loser.

>>4451112
Not an argument

Aesthetics are highly objective. The jews in the marketing department know this. The jews in art school do too, but if they admitted to it, they would have to transmit actual knowledge, instead of financial connections.

>>4451104
“Nazi art was honest”.

If only you knew how fucking retard-level stupid you have to be to make the statement “[any] photography is honest.”, you’d realize how completely opaque your intellectual failure is by making the even more absurdly stupid “[politically propagandized] photography is honest”, and that would still pale compared to how utterly grotesquely ignorant you’d have to be to widen it even further to “art is honest”, without even bringing your boring fetishization of a fuckin political party that’d have buried you in the ground already, you pathetic excuse for a man.

>>4451117

>>4451104 is our resident friendless depressed Russian/chink wannabe nazi, who is still here polluting the fucking discussions, bc big surprise, after all these years, he never made a friend to talk to. This confused uneducated loser is stuck in his failed nations 1930s education, endlessly bitching about jews on a photography board of all places, still completely unaware of the irony in that. He’s a hemorrhoid on the face of this site, itself the festering asshole of the internet. And every one of his “insights” reads as such. He should have offed himself years ago.

>>4451117
Pseud. Didn't read.

Yes, nazi art was honest. Aesthetics once deemed objective are subject to scientific inquiry - and stnadards. Subjectivism in art is immune to inquiry and there is a reason the reactionaries wanted to pull a 180. How can you use art to launder money if it starts attracting smart people, as in, actual smart people, not just people gifted exclusive access to the state of pseudo-intellectual philosophizing?

The current state of art is so anti-intellectual, it has become a common meme to claim that smart people are the polar opposite of artists, and the primary function of art in society is to launder large sums of money between anonymous cash payments and swiss freeports.

>>4451120
>Pseud. Didn't read
Exactly.
Stay stupid forever, retard.

>>4451119
The more you seethe, the more correct I am. I'm not even the only person who knows this.

Aesthetics are objective, and art is actually an extension of neurological studies. It's just that while every other institution readily admits this, the "art world" can not for they would cease to be able to launder money.

Applying AML laws to art causes art sales to drop like a rock btw.

>>4451121
You never refuted a single point. Typical of your kind to be unable to bring up an actual idea when your objectively correct subjectivity is questioned.

>>4451120
its ultimately a religious distinction
objective aesthetics rest on the claim that man is an animal that evolved and is mostly unconscious, unwilling, automatic behaviors
subjective aesthetics rest on the claim that man was created in the image of yahweh and has infinite potential and infinite free will

Art will not survive unless it makes a clear distinction between aesthetic works and pretentious visual riddles. It can not because it relies on most artists being literally retarded (if artists had to meet any standards at all, a lot of developmentally delayed/drug-damaged grandsons of real estate tycoons would be unable to find and maintain a career)

you are just romatizicing old ass pictures and calling them natzee lmao losers, you could take any statue or other work of art from the period and it would follow the same stylistic line for the most part

>>4448049
>So they push degenerate "art"
art police alert, people like you should fucking die LOL

>>4451237
But Leni Riefenstahl's works are closely tied to Nazi party so what's your point? She made that one infamous movie promoting Hitler party y'know?

>>4451335
not an argument libtard

>>4451460
Liberal? no??? LMFAO RETARD

>>4451335
>how dare u regulate culture
intelligently regulating culture and commerce is necessary for long term human survival. culture is just programming. most people view it and are affected by it involuntarily.

the great western liberty experiment has failed and now china is taking over. we're one WW3 away from a future of retro asian woodcuts.

There is no beauty in Riefenstahls work - because its just propaganda.
Its just kitsch and derivative pap designed to make Germans worship masculinity, orderliness and unity.
Its end game was to make the German people easier to manipulate.
Greek and Roman art (which Nazi imagery sought to emulate) wasn't ideological, it was simply idealistic.
It wasn't trying to seduce people into an ideology - it was there to celebrate strength and beauty and character.
A lot of Germans saw it for what it was and merely ignored it.
Some even ignored Hitlers exhibitions of neo-classical junk art in favour of denigrated Modern art exhibitions.
Forcing people to focus on limited forms of art turns them into drones.
People need to be free to experience new and unusual forms of art so they can
better communicate and present their own emotions and perceptions.

>>4451684
>tripfag with a brainlet pseudo take
Most Geco-Roman art is lost to time and iconoclasm but there are thousands of examples of "idealistic" political art from the extremely obvious shit like Trajans column, the arch of Titus and the pantheon frieze. Individual sculpture like Augustus of Prima Porta or even the dying Gaul are undoubtedly intentionally idealistic. One could even argue that most of the high profile surviving art from that era is idealistic in nature. You just seem to have it in for /ourgirl/

>>4451684
Yeah that makes sense.

>>4451684
>It wasn't trying to seduce people into an ideology - it was there to celebrate strength and beauty and character.
ALL art is ideological. This is an unfortunate fact few are willing to admit.

>>4451684
thank you chatgpt

>>4447972
>reject degeneracy
True. Riefenstahl publicly rejected her association with the Nazi party after the war

>>4451684
>There is no beauty in Riefenstahls work - because its just propaganda.
That's a sad cope. Giving function to art doesn't detract from its beauty.
>Forcing people to focus on limited forms of art turns them into drones.
You mean like nowadays when all that comes out is woke garbage? Sometimes literal garbage where people respect as art some trash someone dropped at the gallery because they turned art into an arbitrarily placed label?
>>4451838
She had to survive. What's the alternative? Ending up in jail like that grandma who dared doubt the six gorillion lie?

>>4448116
>Different phase in the movement
>Different times
>Different techniques
>It's a photshoot, not competition
Btw, when I was swimming, in school, we started by doing "amateur" open turning (in crawl, backstroke), only later "graduating" to "pro" style tumble turning; fast forward to present and pros went back to school kids' open turning...

>>4451684
>there is no beauty in Riefenstahls work -
stopped reading right here

>>4451684
>Its just kitsch
This aesthetic moralist trash word doesn't mean anything. Leni's style is singularly in photography. It's objectively beautiful.
>because its just propaganda.
Do you really think that artists are just low IQ goycattle who can't manipulate power to work towards their own ends? Whole cinema is ugly because it was funded by the government? What a nasty angloid cuckold.

>>4452242
*Whole Soviet cinema

>>4452242
>What a nasty angloid cuckold.
He spends his life in front of a cork desk and a Star Wars toy and calls it luxury, what can you expect?
>buying this office chair was a life changing experience

>>4452242
>kitsch
What does this even mean? It's been used on one of my photos in the past.

>>4451861
>Giving function to art doesn't detract from its beauty.

Giving function to art means it isn't art.
Art is communication of a perception, not trying to support a broader political ideology.

>>4452295
It means you don't make degenerate, soulless, urban and ugly trash.

>>4452242
>This aesthetic moralist trash word doesn't mean anything

Just admit that you don't understand what it means. And he's right, Riefenstahl is kitsch crap. It is overly sentimental, it is inauthentic and shallow propaganda for the masses. Riefenstahl can claim detachment from Nazism all she likes, she will forever be associated with it.

>>4452297
If someone calls your photograph kitsch, it means exactly that. It means it's unoriginal, or over wrought, forced, or gaudy. The image is too iconic.

>>4452298
>>Just admit that you don't understand what it means.
They just invented a jewish sounding word to say "I don't approve this" to sound smart.

Leni's style is singular. No one was doing what she has done.

>inauthentic
Oh you pitiful idiot. All art is "inauthentic". Art is literally an illusion masquerading as reality.

>Riefenstahl can claim detachment from Nazism all she likes, she will forever be associated with it.
Learn to separate art from the artist you child. I am not white and I can still enjoy all type of art. All art is universal. Take your identity politics back to >>>/pol/

>>4451775
>ALL art is ideological

Only on personal terms. When you start trying to press the ideology of a wider group, you are making propaganda.

>>4452300
>It means it's unoriginal, or over wrought, forced, or gaudy.
According to who? You? Why the fuck I should care about your retarded opinion?

>>4452300
>The image is too iconic.
Ah, so it's one of those gatekeeping descriptive words then. I guess I'd be safe from it's use if I knew the right people.

>>4452300
>iconic
this is a bad thing now? hollywood must've had it all wrong.

>>4452302
Somebody please take the crayons away from this one.

>>4452307
>>4452306
It's common knowledge that these smug champions of humanism hate working class and its tastes. If something becomes popular they start bashing it as distasteful. And point you towards some artist who literally makes art with his shit and praise him to be the savior of art.

>>4452308
Lookey here boys, Mr. Mature in big pants is in the room with us. You so mature and cool. Let me suck your dick, please

Riefenstahls work was cliche derivative trash designed to force a political ideology on an ignorant people. Fortunately the Germans, for the best part, ignored Hitlers homoerotic ideas of neoclassical art and continued to enjoy Jazz and Modern experimental art.

>>4452310
I don't put my dick near lower animals.

>>4452314
Aww :(

>>4452309
well that's the most moronic thing I will read today.

>>4452313
>derivative
From who?
>cliche
Show me some Leni before Leni
>Fortunately the Germans
HECKIN LOOK AT THE CONSENSUS. Go back to /sci/ retard. I don't give a damn about germans.

>>4452318
Okay then feel free to kill yourself

>>4452313
>Modern experimental art.
Your idea of experimental art is stuck in the anus of early 20th century Dada which ironically makes you a reactionary. You have literally worms in your brain if you think that Neoclassical art wasn't experimental.

Whole thread is just one guy simping over a photographer no one gives a shit about because she got paid to promote nazi ideology. Move past it.

>>4452298
It's the materialization of a shared ideal, hardly shallow or inauthentic.

>>4452332
>shut it down!

>>4447970 (OP)
pagans utterly btfo by a guy hung up on a piece of wood
utterly embarrassing

>>4452470
When was the last time you materialized anything but bestiality fantasies? Hitler would have killed you, personally.

>>4447970 (OP)
I wish her kino was done in the days of cinemascope.
Alas, almost two decades too early for that.

>>4455025
>kino
we're talking about her photography you retard. fuck off to /tv/ for that shit.

>>4452332
Nah, her taste in imagery and aesthetics is legit, otherwise the Olympia related shots wouldn't look so good. When TotW was released and the Americans saw it, they needed seven Capra films to counter, some of the best propaganda film ever made because they saw how strong the work was.

>>4455054
Stop discussing her fucking films. This thread is about her PHOTOGRAPHY.

Go back to >>>/tv/ if you want to discuss her films.

>>4455057
Cry to the mods, they can see post history, I've been on topic in this thread

>>4455058
You faggots give more shits about cinema than photography. Fuck off back to >>>/tv/ you faggot and stop shitting up photography threads.

>>4455035
Film is the pinnacle of photography, retard.

>>4455059
Post camera faggot
/vid/ bros that actually shoot study photography anyway, you have to know elements and comp as well as the progression of motion

>4455061
Kill yourself

>>4455062
Then stay in your contamination thread

>4455063
Absolute poser and simp

>>4455064
At least I don't fuck dogs.

>>4455063
Seethe all you have to, but the dream of every photographer conscious or not is to make cinema. Still photography is a stepping stone.

Kill yourself dogfucker

>>4455068
Dogfuckers are nonwhite foids and I'm not one

>>4455075
uhhh based???