Thread 4460378

We've not had a compact camera thread for a while

What are you shooting on anons? I came close to selling my little rx100 recently but with a little bit of editing I've learnt to love it. I just throw it in a side pocket and I've been shooting more. I was thinking of trading it in for a fuji X-E5 as they look fun

>>4460378 (OP)
rx100 mogs if u edit yea

>>4460378 (OP)
>fuji X-E5

Are fujis good? I just want something crop with an inbuilt flash

>no image stabilization
>fixed LCD screen
>$5100
What the fuck was Sony thinking?

>>4460680
theyre plasticky and unreliable

>>4460378 (OP)
stop fucking dogs

>>4460733
Meds

>>4460689
>the only woman on pee is 45 years old

>>4460745
>woman
>4chan
anon...

>>4460688
How to make the smallest fixed lens full frame high megapixel camera. The compromises they made is what had to be done in order to make it seem like progression as consumers are used to seeing massive upgrades from one model to the next when they are now facing difficulties squeezing more into them. Adding a flippy/tilty screen would probably have made it thicker than the previous model thus it would also have been something to complain about. Add IBIS and it will be as large as the A7CR which is a cheaper camera with the option to change lenses etc.
It is really more of a proof of concept camera. Probably cool for extremely specific use-cases such as outdoor photography in sunny days, but beyond that it is probably a terrible camera for almost every situation.

>>4460778
Coming to think of it they should have made the EVF tiltable which is something I'd love to see on more cameras.

>>4460778
Ricoh GR III is smal, costs 5 times less, and has IBIS. Maybe it has its own issues, but at this point Sony is just humiliating gearfags who drank the "FF at all costs" koolaid.

>>4460788
Micro four thirds is still shit and cameras being slightly bigger still doesnt matter. FF minimum at all costs still makes sense. Phones still have 1" sensors which equal m4turds.

Sony is only humiliating themselves a little but the original a7c still exists

>>4460794
> Gearfag has IQ of a chatbot and got triggered by the word "IBIS".
Many such cases.

>>4460795
I’m just saying its a shit product but it doesnt matter because marginally larger full frame cameras are better at everything for everything lol. Have you seen how big a leica is?

>>4460688
I did actually want them to release a newer model but...

Why would they remove the flip screen? I struggle to understand how this is an upgrade over the previous model. It just seems like an excuse to jew YouTubers and cash in like Fuji did releasing old cameras to hipsters

It at least better have a7cii tier autofocus and sooc colours as 2015 Sony colour science was ass on the older models. Only good for black and white

>>4460794
What phones have 1in sensors outside of $2000 chinkshit you can't buy outside of China? And can I attach lenses to have actual glass on it?

Seriously I keep seeing this bullshit reposted on /p/ when most phones don't even have 1/2 inch sensors.

>>4460778
>Adding a flippy/tilty screen would probably have made it thicker than the previous model thus it would also have been something to complain about.
Oh no, not an extra 10 grams of weight. Also the previous model literally had a tilt screen.

>>4460832
>Seriously I keep seeing this bullshit reposted on /p/ when most phones don't even have 1/2 inch sensors.
Have you ever heard of “strawmanning?” It’s 4chan’s evergreen tree.

>>4460832
>And can I attach lenses to have actual glass on it?
Most phones have all UWA, normal and tele zooms built in unc

i like my new z1000exr

its a 1/2 inch sensor from 2011-12 but its nice to use. just pull it out, flick the cover open, and snap. its the size of a box of playing cards so i can fit it literally anywhere

>>4461006
minimal editing too i like how a lot of the pics come out of it

>>4461008
nice ap2 s2k

My Fujifilm Z1000EXR and F70EXR have 1/2" (6.4x4.8mm) sensors.

I don't think any of the 1in chinkphones even pick up Western bands honestly. The Xiaomi 12 Ultra was $1000 new and goes for $600 on eBay.

I'm going to sell everything and just have these.
Ultra protable and versatile.
That's an X GR btw.

>>4461005
>z1000exr
Do you prefer this over your phone?

>>4461130
>>4460832
The Vivo X200 Ultra is the best phone camera today and is £800 on AliExpress (no additional import taxes).
What's unique about the Vivo is that the main camera is 35mm instead of the pleb-tier 23mm that most phones have. Pair that with a (very nearly) 1" sensor, it's pretty amazing.

>>4461130
not a bad idea anon. Just make sure to get an extra battery or two. The limitations of one focal length will be fun in the long run in think.

What does pee think if the new GR IV?
- New 25.74MP APS-C sensor (likely the one in the Sony A6700)
- redesigned lens for additional corner sharpness
- new battery improving number of shots by 25%
- microsd with 53gb of internal storage
- flash attachment
-rear control dial is gone
- real top dial is now a proper dial
- brings back the zoom rocker style button on the back
- slightly smaller / lighter
- $1500!!

>>4461267
i look forward to cheaper grIIIx in the future

>>4461267
That's a fucking ridiculous price for what you get. A couple hundred more gets you an x100vi which at least has weather sealing. Good lord Pentax is stupid.

>>4461283
>which at least has weather sealing
x100 sealing, even with the recommended filter, has never actually worked better than a non-sealed camera lucking out with being tight fit and not getting anything too conductive on anything too important

fuji WR is a marketing term. their sealed and non-sealed cameras do equally well in the rain
https://www.reddit.com/r/x100v/comments/1csw3xm/beware_even_with_a_filter_weather_sealing_isnt/
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4603971

by fitting in a pocket, the GR is actually more impervious against rain because it can be easily kept in a waterproof sandwich bag.

>>4461130
Based.

>>4461285
lol that's just objectively not true. The GR has serious issues with dust getting on the sensor because it has no sealing whatsoever. DOn't get me wrong fuji has shit weather sealing but at least your $1000+ camera won't get fucked by a single dust spec. Besides if you really want something compact and weather sealed you can get something like an OM-3. smaller sensor but at least your not spending 1500 on e waste

>>4461297
implessive. same jpeg but brighter.

>>4461301
>om-3
lmao people really pay $2k for this shit

the em5iii is $500 and basically the same camera with fewer useless gimmicks. olympus is a joke. same prices no meaningful improvements just higher framerates on the same shitty camera.

>>4461267
Glad I got the x when I did. Yeesh.

>>4461283
>A couple hundred more gets you an x100vi
The X100 series is objectively terrible. Construction and material quality is poor and X-Trans is below entry-level sensor technology that is only (barely) suitable for SOOC JPG, producing pictures that look like they've been deep fried and dunked in a jar of piss.
>WAOW, muh ABANDONED MOTEL, muh CLASSIC WARMTH, muh KODAK GOLD LOOK, MUH FILM SIMOOLATIONS OOOOUUUUUHHHHHHH
The GRIII/x already blows any X100 completely out of the water, because, you know, it's a proper tool as opposed to a shiny toy for eternally adolescent zoomers.

>>4461378
You need professional help.

>>4461401
I'm not the one with worms in my photos; (You) are.

stop hyping up the grIIIx

>>4461401
No he’s right fuji is shit. The only place their market share breaks 6% is china+japan.

>>4461449
>noooo you can't say the main competitor to my camera is better nooooo stop hyping up the GR noooooo don't make me have buyer's remorse nooo
Suck it up, fag. You wasted your money. Sell your X100VI before it starts to depreciate hard when the fad dies out.

>>4461452
>Sell your X100VI before it starts to depreciate hard when the fad dies out
Not gonna happen

>>4461452
Every fuji camera is a limited edition product. They are shit and almost no one uses them so they make just enough to call it a sensation on social media and meme their tiny cult into inflating everything.

It’s leica’s strategy too. Piss poor build and negative value but they have cultists who depend on the brand for the "im a real photographer unlike you" image they need to purchase. Note they cant do this with a real film camera because they are not real photographers.

>>4461455
It's already fucking happening lmao. 50% off on a like-new X100VI. Wasn't too long ago that these were going for double their MSRP.

>>4461456
>>4461459
Apparently the hype train is only a winning move when your heritage is revolutionary originality back to the 1930s instead of copying others and producing accessories back to the 1980s

>>4461466
It's just not a good camera.
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-fujifilm-x100vi-the-hype-camera/
>...on closer inspection the image quality is not all that amazing. The lens seems to struggle with the high pixel count and at higher ISO settings strong noise reduction kicks in and the colors also fall apart faster than what I am used to from current fullframe Bayer sensors. For small prints to put in the vacation album this probably won’t matter much though, but I would probably say the same about the latest generation of smartphones.
Lol. Lmao.

>>4461472
Fuji has always been like this. People in the know have been calling fuji shit for a decade.

Their cult just got big enough for everyone else to notice

>>4461452
take your meds, schizo
i just want it cheaper

>>4461267
>$1500
I understand why people like the GR and its very specific niche, but at $1500 this is a joke in 2025

>>4461320
OM-3 is like $1500 used with a stacked sensor and much better build quality. Get a job anon. $1500 is less than a weeks wage for a well built compact ILC. Being poor is not an excuse

you don't sneed more

>>4461472
> Sir, you cannot shoot with a camera, sir, kindly shoot with a phone
> Sir don't you have a phone
> Sir do not redeem camera
> DO NOT REDEEM CAMERA YOU BASTARD BITCH
Kek

>>4461502
OM-3 body is a weird attempt to please fat Americans with sausage fingers. It's bigger than Snoy full frame bodies and costs in the same ballpark.

>>4461666
All the flagship m43 bodies don't make any sense when they are as big or bigger than most full frame mirrorless cameras made in the last 5 years

>>4461320
Nikon has the z30 refurbished with the 16-50 kit lens again for $400 back in stock. I had a Z50 is my first camera and I kind of want to pick one up if it's that cheap again. I didn't like the Z50 because of the colors, and the autofocus was not the best. Maybe now that I've had a bunch of other cameras I will appreciate it more

>>4461661
>foojifag cannot even conceive of the possibility of shooting anything but fooji
>it's either that or the phone
>accuses others of hinduism to boot
Like pottery

>>4461502
>but the sensor is STACKED!
it still has shit iq, worse autofocus than a z6ii, and $500 40mm f2.8 equiv primes that are bigger and worse than snoy garbage and way bigger and way worse than the viltrox and nikon 40mm f2s

m43 is the aps-c dslr of mirrorless. it was smaller. was. now its just ewaste. like apsc dslrs can be bigger than fuji gfx lmao.

>>4461695
The articlenis quite literally, "you must shoot FF or phone". The fact that someone may not be interested in "flagship" phones just doesn't enter gearfag's mind.

>>4461713
If you are interested in buying a fixed wide angle lens camera with poor performance, you would always have an even better camera with you if you bought a nicer phone. And probably spend less money too.

Just fujicope already
>but its about looking and feeling like what i think a photographer is, not actually being one

>>4461740
> Sir kindly redeem the phone
No. Chinkshit and appleshit are not "nicer phones". I'll rather use a phone that I find useful and I'll get a camera that I think makes me a better photographer. I don't even have an x100 (if I needed to blow $2k on Fuji, I'd get an X-E5) and still I find myself defending it against raving gearfags.

>>4461782
is it truly "raving gearfag" to say "the x100 is a poorly built camera that has poor autofocus and image quality performance for it price point, and is more comparable to a $350 micro four thirds kit than other $2000 cameras"?

You're being a fuji fanboy. Even if you do not own a fuji, anyone who points out how poorly made and unpopular their cameras are outside of your youtube recommendation bubble is a "gearfag". This is what fanboys do.

>>4461704
I believe it's just a slightly newer and slightly lower noise sensor. "Stacked" must be just a marketing/segmentation term, given that they refuse to name the exact Sony part numbers they are using.

>>4461788
>and slightly lower noise
how slightly is slightly?

micro four thirds is micro four thirds. all the dark current read noise photon 2lognev chart slop in the world doesn't change the visible results. i dont think engineers should be allowed anywhere near marketing or product development. they should answer to designers, photographers, and other more conceptual, abstract minds.

only an engineer could possibly spot the improvement here
everyone else sees none

>>4461790
$1500 price difference btw

to an engineer, one is technically superior! to a photographer the raws will create the same photo only requiring slightly different slider movements.

I have a Sony ZV1, its surprisingly bulky if I add a cpl filter (11x7x6cm). I use it as a travel cam when I don't want to carry a FF DSLR or a 20 year old CCD DSLR.

A Nikon Z30 is $400 refurbished and has a APSC vs 1in Sensor while measuring 13x7.4x7cm with the 16-50mm kit lens. I have the same focal length on the ZV1 (9.4-25.7mm = 24-70mm Zeiss f1.8-2.8) as the APSC kit lenses.

Should I just take the plunge and buy one before my ZV1 loses more value? I can still get $400 if I trade my ZV1 in at MPB/Adorama. I mostly use it for photography anyways never video.

Sony ZVE10 is like 12x7x7cm too but those go for $5-600 used usually on eBay/FB Market with a 16-50mm OSS lens.

>>4461794
if the zv1 doesnt fit in any of your pockets, the snoy aps-cs are better than the current nikon aps-cs and likely always will be because nikon tries to make their crop cameras cheaper rather than better

>>4461450
Yea because popular things are always the best.
I'm a bit Fuji user but they've pissed me off with their pricing, limited stock and pretty shitty designs (XPro3, X-E4,X-E5) I'm gonna stick to my X-T2 until it dies then but another one.
I have no complaints with the focussing or worms either. Build quality on the Japanese-made X-T2 is great and a really nice EVF.
Fuji has the 35mm f1.4 as well which is my favourite lens of all time and compact for a f2ish full frame equivalent.

Cameras that are not compact or pocketable:
Leica Q
Fuji X100
Sony A7C
Stop talking about these in this thread.

>>4461790
Are we in disagreement here? I don't think so. If Olympus used exactly the same sensor on a $500 camera and on a $2000 camera, it would be a markeing disaster. So they picked whatever slightly more expensive part they could be using, even if it's not much better.

Apart from that, we already kinda knew that Olympus cameras peak at EM/OM-5 and don't make sense at flagship prices.

>>4461796
It fits in my cargo pants but idk if the camera was 1cm bigger all around if it would make that much of a difference. Especially if I'm getting better image quality out of it.

The Sonys are like $200 more honestly if I'm not lowballing some minority locally on Facebook while the Nikon is a manufacturer refurb that's gonna be nearly new. I'm not loyal to either brand and im crazy enough to even consider a OM5 if it shows up for that $400 number.

>>4461267
I just bought a GRIIIX HDF literally last week and seeing the new GR I'm feeling great about that decision. Anyone have some IIIx shots worth sharing?

>>4461840
I would reccomend the OM5. A full frame will stretch the colours of your photos

>>4461713
>The articlenis quite literally, "you must shoot FF or phone"
Nope, but I can see how an individual with impaired reading comprehension might see that.
The review simply implies that the X100VI is so mediocre that you might as well shoot with your phone. Nothing more, nothing less. And guess what, he's completely right.

>>4461860
Eh sure, here's a random snapshit with the IIIx (regular with ND).
I'm considering getting the IV later to carry alongside my main (FF with 50mm 1.2) as an alternative to a secondary wide angle lens, since switching lenses in the field has been a pain in the ass and I don't like using zooms. Although it apparently does not work with Pentax TTL (which is a complete joke btw) so maybe a III is a better choice.

I am seeing an increase in the number of people marketing their olympus bodies as an alternative to the x100vi

>>4461267
I wish I had the eye or skill for the 28mm focal length so I could splurge on this.

I guess I'll have to wait like 1 or 2 years until the 40mm version comes out.

It's over.

>>4462528
The IV is out already.

>>4462529
and going to be unavailable for like 12 months from all the demand. RIP

>>4462566
RIP. You would think pentax had plenty of time to meet demand but I guess they still haven't learned to estimate demand. I wonder how much of it is flippers and bots.