Thread 4464845

Please post film photos, talk about film photography, film gear like cameras, film stocks, news, and tips/tricks in this thread.
old thread: >>4460704

I just copied and pasted the old OP because no one would bake a new bread

Thread Question: To what extent do you digitally edit your film scans?

>>4464845 (OP)
I'm just going to dump some off the rest of this roll so the thread doesn't feel so empty and unwelcoming. Like, "come in, anon, we'd love to have you"

>>4464853
One more after this

>>4464858
Don't talk to me or my son ever again

>>4464845 (OP)
Why u make nu?

>>4464914
Oh wow it hit image limit. Good job fgt.

>>4464916
Thank you ngr

>>4464845 (OP)
>Thread Question: To what extent do you digitally edit your film scans?

As little as possible

Ilford hp5+ shot at 200 iso is really nice for portraits.

Look at this insane camera thats been on ebay for a couple weeks. Would you buy it? Thoughts on the design?

>>4465265
I saw one of these operate once I think, at least I think it's the same one. They're insanely rare and actually really well spec'd especially for the time. It's a very impressive design. I would be hesitant to buy one though as I'm sure something as old and complex as that is really fragile and hard to fix, and it's also probably really hard to sell since so few people know about them and they're not from a well known brand.

i heart b&w

>>4465266
Only 4000 were produced. They are the smallest 35mm camera ever made, but don't shoot normal 135. They can do 35mm sheets and these tiny 35mm rolls that are like 120 spools, but tiny. It has an analog light meter on it, rangefinder, ground glass and a zone focusing guide. Shoots up to 1/500th. Super nifty lil cameras that were made by a watch company.

I like cool cameras, but I would want to use it as well.

Please enjoy this exceptionally boring landscape shot I took. Just look at that edge effect! Yowza!

Does anyone else go through their photos and try to remember the situation or story that made you take the shot?
>Be at the Nathans Hot dog eating contest in Brooklyn NY
>Packed crowd, hundreds of people all around
>Police barricades prevent us from leaving except wading through a crowd of thousands
>It's nearly noon and the sun is beating down
>There's a feeling of stress in the air
>Man with a bicycle pushes himself through
>im_walkin_here.mp3
>He lifts his bike up in the air
>Hoists it onto his shoulder
>The back tire is hitting people in the crowd as there's no way to escape
>He's pushing through and nearly at the end of the crowd
>Reaches the police barricade and starts to jump over
>Cop runs over and tells him to stop immediately
>AYO I GOT MY BIKE AND-
>Cop completely disregards him and says to turn back around
>man does a walk of shame back through the crowd

>>4465294
The main reason I took up film photography as a hobby was because I was going through my grandpa's slide collection and I realised we collectively lost something when shooting film became an optional part of taking photos. Making records of your memories is such a fundamentally human thing, we want to have things that remind us of where we've been and what we felt, and we also want to leave things behind after we're gone.
If the photos you take are mixed in with a thousand random images on your camera roll, or they're on a memory card or a server farm somewhere in china, it's really not the same as if they were in an album you can take off the shelf and flip through. My grandpa has been dead for 20 years and I barely remember him as a person, but there's a box full of thousands of photos of the world he lived in, and I really felt like going through them was an indirect form of communication from him to me, and I think that's cool and that we should all leave some photographs behind.

>>4464863
Do yall dev as c41 or proper ecn2? Seems like I get some odd colors in c41 but idk if that's normal for vision3.
>>4465336
I like this look a lot, I got a few rolls I'm excited to shoot, but expensive shipped from europe. I suspect it's the same as kono color 200 which is sold in bulk rolls but it's not that much cheaper. It looks a lot like phoenix2 too so maybe I should just shoot that.

>>4465383
My vision 3 rolls are all the new AHU stock without the remjet, so I just develop in c41, but I did also buy a batch of ecn2 chems so I'll try that at some point just to see if it's any different. From what I've heard the ecn2 developer is a bit less "potent" so to speak, so you'd get less contrast which makes sense for a film designed to be scanned. Honestly, the scans I posted have somewhat weird colours because I had affinity photo set to a dark background and it was fucking with my vision, and I also accidentally exported in adobe rgb. I'm not a fan of now flat they scan, I almost feel like I'm editing digital raws. Idk how some people get such amazing colours out of 250D, maybe they just edit the shit out of their scans.
Opticolour on the other hand is great, I think it's my new favourite film stock. I just do a basic inversion, adjust the blue and green curves until it stops looking blue yellow pink, whatever, man, and I immediately like the colours. I like the halation too, it's subtle and doesn't feel gimmicky like cinestill 800T. I meter it as if it was a 125-160 speed slide film because I feel like real ISO is around that, just like with phoenix. Google says kono color 200 is the same emulsion

Some old photos for fun

>>4465294
I was hanging out with a friend and this random black dude then this guy in a diaper walks right by. I wonder if he lost a bet or something...

>>4465541
End.

>>4464845 (OP)
>I just copied and pasted the old OP because no one would bake a new bread
then do it properly and post in the last thread that there's a new one and redirect people to this one because no one's gonna guess it
also bring back the sticky
anyway I'll make the next thread, don't worry

>>4465545
Thanks dad!

Gave my OM-1 to a friend and now I need another 35mm cause my RZ67 is a little unruly walking around. My mind says Nikon F3 but my heart says M6.

>>4465535
I loike it. What happened to the negative?
>>4465541
If the box of marlboro was sharp this could be an ad
>>4465558
Don't fall for the leica bait, anon.
>F3
Have you had one before? I love my FA but I'm thinking of getting a second body just so I wouldn't have to swap lenses so often, and getting another FA just feels like a missed opportunity to satisfy my desire for a new shiny thing. I've been looking at the FM3A but the F3 looks nice too, especially with the removable eyepiece, it could be like a little baby RZ with the wlf

>>4465547
no worries, son
are you winning?

Shout out to mannequin anon.

>>4465636
No clue what happened to the negative, but it was a happy accident. Could have been improper loading of film, or maybe a double exposure or maybe both. Cant remember.

>>4465638
Yes. Another pig is in labor and she built a wonderful nest to give birth in. I think this pig will be a lot better than the last one that tried to give birth. Thank you.

>>4465558
I started shooting on a OM-1, also have a RZ, and now M6.
Also have a F2, its a great camera, very solid, but once you pay the red dot tax its hard to go back.
Its not so much the flex, but just how small and easy it is to use, its unironically the last mechanical 35mm you will ever need.
If you have the spare coin, get it. You can always get your money back if you don't like it.

>>4465636
>>4465667
I’m one of those retards that needs what my heart wants otherwise deep down I won’t like it. Even the Mamiya felt like a cope at first till I took it on a trip and realized it was a kino machine. Think the decision now is to decide what specific version I want. Leaning toward the reissue just cause it’s new and the MP glass, brass and lightmeter. My only qualm here is I’m trying to save money for traveling. $1000 here or there could almost pay for an entire trip.

>>4465699
Honestly, anon, if a few thousand dollars is saving up tier money to you, dropping 3k or however much an m6 is on a 35mm film camera is a bit silly. Especially if you live in a place where 1k will pay for a trip. I live in a very remote place and I have to pay thousands just to get anywhere that isn't the fucking desert.
I know they're smol but it's not like most film slrs are big either, and they'll take the same photo anyway. And film gets expensive too, even if you mostly stick to budget film stocks.
I have an rz as well and it truly is kino, taking it out and framing a shot with it still feels like a sort of special occasion. I don't have any photos to share because I don't have a 120 scanner so I just never develop the 120 rolls lmao. I'm sitting on like 30 of them now

>>4465701
dunno but I would rather buy minolta cle

>>4465701
I should specify that by “save” I mean allocate my disposable income for the express purpose of taking a trip. If not it’ll just go to something else.

>>4465336
This makes me want to get prints made.
>>4465533
>guy in a diaper walks right by
I guess you could say he didn't give a shit xD

>>4465638
She gave birth to 9 healthy piglets early this morning and she appears to be a great mom.
We are doing her maternity shoot right now!

Put together a scanning, trying to find a way to manage the film feeding into and out of the film holder and advancer. Anyone know of a 3D printable solution? I almost want to learn blender to make something that works with the aluminum extrusion frame I used for the rig, but that's a time investment I'd like to avoid if there's an option already out there.

>>4465849
Use autocad or another CAD program not blender.

>>4465860
I should, just somewhat familiar with blender.

This is what I came up with to keep track of notes and test strips during a print session. Seems to keep things more streamlined compared to the scribbles I had before, but there's a prerequisite of scanning digitally (which I don't mind since I use that as proofing to filter out what's worth making a print of anyway).

>>4465950
I just want you to know I know you're a fucking freak and I would make sure you stayed far far away from children if I ever found out I knew you irl

I'm going to say it, film is fucking trash, you will feel the fatigue after seeing more than 5 pics made on film

>>4465985
It's funny, I don't get fatigued by seeing the same tropes on film again and again, but I do immediately swipe, close the tab, scroll past or otherwise skip whenever I see a peter mckinnonesque HSL slider maxxing lookinass dehaze filter lookinass luminance mask lookinass photo of a girl with her back turned walking towards a mountain or a lake.

>>4464845 (OP)
>To what extent do you digitally edit your film scans?
1) invert using base color taken from a scan of the roll leader
2) set post-inversion exposure & black point so the brightest & darkest areas are just barely starting to clip (something I've started doing for my digital photos recently too)
3) if I really fucked up the exposure, apply a tone curve and see if I can rescue it, better a manipulated photo than no photo
>>4465759
oh hey I know exactly where that is lol
>>4465950
man fuck that, I just want to like take photo
but hey I do like the results, so good on you

>>4466004
nice, forgot my image

>>4466005
What editor is that?

>>4466011
darktable

>>4465648
>>4465805
cool pics and cool pigs
glad to have built an identity with my ART

>>4466014
>TQ
negative film was meant for editing/processing before being printed, so I feel free to do a fair amount. I got a bunch of rolls of just expired wolfencolor film and have been shooting on it recently, it definitely feels like a film made with digital post-processing in mind. picrel is out of the scanner no correction inversion

>>4466016
and my attempt at editing

>>4466005
I like darktable in theory but whenever I use it to invert negatives all the other settings get really fucky and I don't know why.

>>4466017
>all the other settings get really fucky and I don't know why
module order
negadoctor defaults to after most of the normal modules, so stuff like exposure white balance etc. are inverted
while that sounds backwards unfortunately there's no good default they can ship, since placing it before would then fuck with people who camera scan (in which case you might need two copies of some modules, one before & one after — imagine trying to explain that to users)
re-ordering & creating new instances of modules is super easy though, I think a lot of complaints about darktable are people not knowing it's a thing you can do
new instance is the little double square icon on a module header, reordering is ctrl-shift-drag (at least on mac)

>>4466019
>>4466017
I would suggest disabling sigmoid or filmic as well; those can really mess with the results.

Typical scanned neg to positive procedure:
-Turn off sigmoid/filmic
-Whitebalance selecting an empty part of the sprocket hole showing the scanner white
-Denoise
-Monochrome
-Lens correction
-Crop to image area
-Auto exposure; make sure that nothing is clipping
-Turn off crop
-In negadoctor, select film base color picking part of the rebate
-Turn crop back on
-Autoselect dMax, scan exposure bias, corrections, black point, exposure adjustments in negadoctor
-Adjust contrast, etc. to taste from here.

>>4466037
I do my scanning on a dedicated film scanner tiff so basically nothing is applied upon import
just input & output color profiles
orientation is there because I have to scan 2/3 of my negatives upside-down because that's how stephan's holders work
for digital I use sigmoid

>>4466013
Wow mannequin anon likes my pigs and my pics! What a great day!
Im developing the pics I took of mama pig nursing right now. Ill have scans in some hours.

>>4466043
That would greatly simplify things. I'm stuck with DSLR scanning for the time being`

>>4466052
>DSLR scanning
I wanna do this instead of paying to have my film scanned. Anything I should know?

>>4466066
Get a macro lens if you don't have one. You can make do with extension rings, but your corners may be softer and lens correction becomes more important. Diffuse your light source, eliminate vibration (use timer or remote for your shutter control). Make sure you manage dust well; get an antistatic brush. Use your histogram to set your exposure and keep it the same for the entire roll.

There are plenty of youtube essays on how to do this; this is a recent one that covers some of the more advanced rgb light source stuff that's been in recent development for hobbyist scan rigs. What I've learned is that consistency is key to success; you want to scan once and not have to go back and redo the roll so make sure your first exposure's settings are right before proceeding to the rest of the roll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwkqmmzz9J8

>>4466066
If you're scanning color get a RGB lightsource, then you can just set white balance, black and white point. White light creates cross-talk between color layers and bayer

Pig pic 1

Pig pic 2. I think this one is stronger than the first one.

There's a ps945 on ebay for 8000 dollars... absolutely seething it does not cover 8x10.

>>4466066
If you mostly shoot 35mm just get a plustek for like $250
>>4466077
>White light creates cross-talk between color layers and bayer
Isn't this still the case for an rgb light source that doesn't perfectly match the bayer filter on your camera? I'd expect every digital camera to be slightly different. Or is it close enough that it doesn't matter?

Bask in my newly acquired Sironar N 360mm f/6.8
HP5+, XTol 1:2

>>4466124
Based. Is this your first copal 3 shutter? I love those chunky bois so much.

>>4466127
It is. I had to print a lens board for it, and the size of the hole in it didn't give a good impression of just how big the lens would be. Initial results look really promising. I'm thinking I'll do a family portrait session with it at the next get-together

>>4466132
They're amazing lenses. Very very sharp and great contrast. I love my 300mm sinaron se, which is a rebranded apo sironar s.

Have you considered a soft focus lens like the imagon? I think you could have a lot of fun with them for your doll pics. The inexpensive ones don't have a shutter, but you can also find ones that are on a copal shutter. I got my imagon for like 300 w/o shutter.

>>4466134
I haven't considered those. Does the soft focus effect come from the zone plate-looking attachments or is it just a property of the lens
I could just try making a zone plate with my laser cutter for shits and giggles

>>4466146
I don't think it is just the aperture plates that gives the effect. The imagon lens is a single compound element design.
The cooke soft focus lens is a 3 element and it overlays spherical aberration onto the sharp image by moving the middle element more or less out of alignment.

You may be able to play with image softness by unscrewing the rear or front element on one of your lenses halfway or whatevet and then stopping it down more or less to control the softness, but I don't think that would really give the same effect. Never tried anything like that.

>>4466146
Two element compound lens. I don't know lens terminology. Sorry!

>>4466148
>>4466149
This is what I was looking at which searching for the imagon stuff. Hadn't seen this sort of aperture plate before

at any rate, I think I'm going to be sticking with basic lenses for now

>>4466150
Damn! I was hoping to get another LF photographer onto soft focus lenses! They're amazing, especially for portraits. My two pig pics have such a nice dreamy and soft sort of vibe that I think looks really pretty. Maybe one day you'll see the soft and glowy light.

The lens comes with two or three of those gridded plates with varying sizes of holes so you can control how much softness or sharpness you want and the equivalent f stop. They even rotate to let you close the holes around the main one to go inbetween sizes.
They call it an H number because it technically isn't f stop, but the H stop is the same as f stop when setting exposure. If you notice on your pic it has two H stops. One for the holes fully open and one for them fully closed.

Aperture Wide Open - Sticky Blades Boogaloo 2

Should have been at 8 m instead of infinity.

>>4465290
It just werks.

Seagull City
- Pop: 2000

>>4466146
>>4466148
>Does the soft focus effect come from the zone plate-looking attachments or is it just a property of the lens
either or both, depending on the lens
you can get the effect with just the aperture plate, each hole projects its own copy of the image slightly offset
or you can do it with spherical aberration alone, or you can combine the two
combining them may give better results than just using the aperture plate with a corrected lens, if you think about the central aperture as being closed down to limit SA but then the halo apertures add in a smaller amount of light from the edges of the elements — that would be very complicated to design analytically, these lenses were probably just designed via fucking around
>>4466213
nice

>>4465950
I really like your research but i really hate your subjects.
>Lilly & Akira
Fuck you

>>4466213
>>4466212
These two are my fav. Nice colors.

>>4466218
You also get these really fun highlight flares that are in the shape of a flower. Look at the eyes.

>>4466220
Thank you, and fuck you too
>>4466218
>each hole projects its own copy of the image slightly offset
With those aperture plates are you placing them in front of the lens or in between the front and rear assemblies like normal large format diaphragm apertures?
>>4466248
Neat

>>4466286
On the imagon it is infront of the glass a couple inches. Look at >>4466148 diagram. The fujinon version has them inbetween and right in front of the normal aperture. These fujinon soft focus lenses are suprisingly inexpensive, but not nearly as versatile as the imagon.

If you made a little disk that fits onto the front of a UV filter I bet it would work. Easy to 3d print too.

>>4466286
>>4466287
>are you placing them
all the ones I've seen aside from >>4466148, the aperture plate is adjacent to the iris aperture, if any
I'm sure there's add on "filters" you can screw into the front of a lens but I haven't seen them, and not sure they'd work the same way
I mean they'd probably do something, but since they're not sitting at or near the focal point I don't know how that would affect the projected image
some more discussion over here >>4461621 in case >>4466286 missed it

What a busy day

>>4466338
you need a 5 reel tank bro

>>4466361
Get the 8 reel tank. The only problem is that you need big containers and multiple packs of color dev, which is annoying, expensive, and then you need to use the all that dang developer before it goes bad.

>>4466361
Oh I have a 2 and a 3 reel that you can't really see in the picture (it's behind the kit bag). I did it in 6 batches, it still took me 6 hours end to end (from mixing chemicals to washing all the equipment after). I thought I'd be done in 3-4 hours desu, but with washing and drying between batches and loading the reels each batch ended up taking about 45-50 minutes.
At least I beat my record of rolls developed in a day, previous one was 6 lol
>>4466362
>Get the 8 reel tank. The only problem is that you need big containers and multiple packs of color dev, which is annoying, expensive
Yeah I'd need to get almost everything else (pitchers, cylinders, storage bottles etc.) in that size too. I'm currently set up for 1000 ml (3 roll tank) and that's usually plenty enough for me.
>and then you need to use the all that dang developer before it goes bad.
This was my second time doing C-41 at home. The previous time I did it in 1-2 roll batches over the course of 3 weeks, and the last few rolls were visibly color shifted despite storing developer and blix as instructed. So this time I decided to do it in one go. I'll see if the last batch looks fine after scanning.

>>4466364
I have some 4L pitchers and they come in handy all the time.
Good job. A long developing day for me is like 4 or 5 8x10 sheets lol. Each one takes like 30 minutes depending on how I wash them. I try not to let them get backed up like that.

Im never doing color or e6 at home either. It's just too annoying. My b&w developer is one shot and the stock solution lasts for like a year or longer.

>>4466362
>>4466364
>>4466365
I've been doing the Kodak 2.5L kit with replenishment, stored in Amazon wine bags with argon, as per that one Reddit thread
so far it's been working for me, my replenishment stock does not appear to be going bad
the only odd thing is the bleach working solution (stuff I'm using, not the mixed stuff in bags) turns grey after sitting around for a week or so, then comes out the tank deep red again
I am led to understand that the bleach has something to do with iron & oxygen so this kinda makes sense
unused bleach is still piss yellow of course
>>4466338
I just bought a Jobo 1520 because I got sick of how hard Paterson tanks are to close
also my Paterson's starting to leak under the red ring (not the first owner)
tbd on whether I prefer the reels, but the tank itself is definitely an upgrade

Just finished cutting and sleeving everything, I think I got a couple of winning shots between those 13 rolls. Can't wait to scan tomorrow.
>>4466365
After my first time doing C41 at home last year I told myself I would never do it again, but then all this cost me just a little over 1/3 what I would pay to the lab. At this volume it starts to make a difference. Was it worth my time and effort though? I'm not sure. Next batch is going to the lab anyway since I found a stray E6 roll AGD im nie buying a kit just for one.
Otherwise I'm similar, only using one-shot developers (HC-110 and Rodinal 99% of the time), and one tank takes about 30-40 minutes. I just process whatever I shot during the week, which is rarely more than 3 rolls.
>>4466366
Tell me about that reddit argon thing please.
Sounds like your setup had bleach and fixer separate, right? This one was simplified with blix, which was nice because it would take even longer otherwise. I just wish it didn't smell like ass cancer.
I forgot to mention that I didn't realize the Cineshill kit did not include the usual C41 hexamine stabilizer, because of course they are cheap fucking shits. I probably should have noticed that before buying, but literally every other kit I looked at did include it. So I finished them all off with photoflo, but I'm a little pissed about it.
And funny that the developer started almost clear but gradually turned deep brown, almost like blix. And I did pre-soak/rinse all rolls, so it wasn't polluted with anti-halo stuff.
I have a few gallons of exhausted fixer saved up, and now half a gallon of C41 blix, I need to finally get around to the project of recovering silver from them for the lulz .
Pattys are a bitch to close, but I like how I can press the lid down when closing to create a bit of a vacuum inside. That way it does not leak no matter what since it's trying to suck the air from outside in.

>>4466401
Oh shit I should have proofread that
>I found a stray E6 roll and I'm not buying a kit just for one

This may be a stupid question, but is there any way that the frame lines on a rangefinder camera can be so misaligned that the difference between composition through the viewfinder and the final scan is almost like comparing 50mm to 35mm?
This shot for example, I remember composing it so that the framelines ended just at the end of the chair on the right but clearly this wasn't the case.
I'm also noticing this on other shots from the roll, where the actual frames seem to include quite a bit of the right side of my subject compared to when I'm composing for the photo at the time.
My camera's viewfinder has a .7 magnification so this probably plays a part too.

>>4466416
sometimes when i take a shot, i take a photo of what the viewfinder sees just so I know what to expect later on. i don't really use a tripod though, so its not 100%

there will be a little parallax when using a rangefinder, I have never tried this, but you can do the scotch tape thing and look at them side by side.

No idea where this light leak came from, maybe from when i sealed the roll?

>>4466069
>>4466077
Where the heck do you even get a narrow band rgb lightsource?

Finally finished the scanning setup. The Chinese macro glass is surprisingly sharp if you nail the focus.
Just need to finish cleaning up the baseboard so I can get it off of the damn floor.