Thread 508290156

Jew here.

What are your favorite sects of Christianity and why?

I personally have a positive view of Presbyterians, but I don't know anything about them except they are Scottish and build nice churches.

>>508290156 (OP)
Orthodox

>>508290156 (OP)
any that hate the jews is fine.
all they have to do is dislike murderers and liars. That would make then antisemitic

>>508290156 (OP)
Mormons seems the most interesting christians

>>508290156 (OP)
I like those really faggy protestants with their female ministers and fag flags inside the church, because it's a wonderful demonstration of how utterly weak and pitiful Christianity has become that its even allowed to continue in that state.

>>508290156 (OP)
youre going to love this

you wont make it 5 minutes before converting

if you dont click you are scared

Isaiah 41:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt4rWLVAW5g

>>508290156 (OP)
Sects are satan's way of dividing the church. There is only one Bible. Orthodox, catholics, protestants, etc....all bullshit. The Word of God is absolute.

>>508290360
I was interested until I learned about their ancient Israelite hypotheses, then I decided that they are retarded.
>>508290447
I'm sorry you feel that way.
>>508290348
I feel like that would be hard in a religion that is effectively an offshoot of Judaism.

I wouldnt tell you, jew. I do not give information to the enemy.

>>508290156 (OP)
zoroastrianism

>>508290777
>I was interested until I learned about their ancient Israelite hypotheses, then I decided that they are retarded.
catholic church says Christians are the real isralis so it's just standard bible stuff

>>508290156 (OP)
They're all fucking stupid

>>508290991
No, no, the Mormons believe the Israelites sailed to America in 600BC and their descendants are the Native Americans. They're actually retarded.

Protestants because they actually read the bible.

>>508290817
You must be a stoic.

>>508291272
i guess getting genocideded would be the price for killing jesus
doesn't sound that dumb desu

>>508291278
Since you are from Netherlands, are you a Calvanist? You say protestant, but there are so many branches. For instance, the Jehovas Witnesses and the Pentacostals.

>>508291433
No, the native Americans are still around and clearly Chinese. They are not Jewish.

>>508290360
mormons are not christians despite what they tell you

>>508291278
thinking some peasant farmer can understand bible same way as pope is an actually mental desies and luther should be hanged before he ever grabbed the hammer

>>508291741
I know that Mormons have their own bible, but do they not also read from the New Testament? I've heard they believe heaven is where you are Christ of your own Earth. What about mormons disqualifies them as Christians in your eyes?

>>508290156 (OP)
>Presbyterians

According to the 223rd General Assembly, “Standing in the conviction that all people are created in the image of God and that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is good news for all people, [the General Assembly] affirms its commitment to the full welcome, acceptance, and inclusion of transgender people, people who identify as gender non-binary, and people of all gender identities within the full life of the church and the world. […] The assembly affirms the church’s obligation to stand for the right of people of all gender identities to live free from discrimination, violence, and every form of injustice.”

The General Assembly has also established the Advocacy Committee for LGBTQIA+ Equity, which focuses on promoting and ensuring equal rights and opportunities for LGBTQIA+ individuals. Advocacy committees within the denomination serve as a mechanism for accountability and prophetic witness. Together with ministry areas such as Women and Gender Justice, the advocacy committee seeks to address and rectify injustices faced by LGBTQIA+ groups and other groups historically marginalized and silenced due to oppressive power structures perpetuated by human sinfulness...


https://pcusa.org/how-we-serve/inclusion-equity/lgbtqia-ministry

>>508292152
Oof, so they're just as bad as the Episcopalians. Thank you for posting this.

>>508292024
they don't have their own bible

they just don't follow the canon

>>508292152

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>>508291612
I'm agnostic. I don't really share the values of Christians.
The world runs on strength, abundance and beauty. Values Christians don't always appreciate, as most Christians only care about self-flagellation and giving away their prosperity for short term goals, which is basically masturbation.

Most protestant groups are united under one banner, so I don't know the nuances between the different groups. I mostly think of it as a group of Christians that allow internal differences based on the interpretation of the bible, unlike catholics who get their interpretation from one source. Which is what I appreciate.

But Calvinists here are often referred to Reformed Christianity. They tend to take the bible literally. And even have a political party that wants to ban womens right to vote, as they believe only the male head of each family should vote. Which I find amusing, but pretty unhinged. But funnily enough in politics they often sound like the most reasonable voice, as they always stick to their ideology and don't go along with nonsense. I voted for them a couple times in the local elections.

>>508292497
No, they dont have their own bible. They have a holy book "revealed" to a poonhound and conman that just so happened to address his personal sins every time the community got upset about them. Translated from what we now know are egyptian good luck charms from centuries after Christ

>>508290156 (OP)
The one Catholic and Apostolic Church

>>508290360
they teach they brought bees to the Americas on submarines in 600 BC

>>508290360
>>508292024
They're not Christians. They see Christ as a sort of ascended master who taught people who to become gods, not God Himself.
>I've heard they believe heaven is where you are Christ of your own Earth.
Yes, which isn't remotely Christian.
>What about mormons disqualifies them as Christians in your eyes?
They don't believe in the Trinity. They are, by definition, not Christians. All Christians believe in the Holy Trinity.

Seriously, I'm not trying to insult them or anything. They just aren't Christians by definition. Christians adhere to the faith as outlined in the Nicene Creed. Mormons do not.

>>508290324
FPBP

The western submission to jews goes back to Christianity. Christgolems worship a Jewish teenager who got fucked and claimed that she had a baby with God. Once Chrisapes believed that it was over.

>>508290156 (OP)
i don't really like christians because i think it's really gay and pathetic for gentiles to worship a circumcised rabbi as the king of the universe

makes perfect sense why you like them though

>>508290156 (OP)
>personally have a positive view of Presbyterians, but I don't know anything about them except they are Scottish and build nice churches
they are literal cryptos

https://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/Vol.26-Issue6/Series-10/B2606102242.pdf

The more I look into Calvinism, the more it makes sense and seems to make people the most likely to survive globohomo

>>508290156 (OP)
Jehovah's Witnesses are the truest and most purest form of Christianity similar to that of the 1st Century Christians. We are the only ones following the Bible to a tee.

Our primary message is that of God's Kingdom now ruling in heaven by Jesus Christ who has been enthroned as King. We use God's name and teach it to others openly. We are the only ones actively preaching the message from your local neighborhoods, your local businesses, to missionary work in the most distance lands in the world. All of this without shedding one drop of blood or firing one bullet at an enemy.

JW are the only Christian sect who's members have never participated in any major war throughout their 100+ year history. In fact, they were imprisoned in the LOLacaust for refusing to war for Hitler WHILE they were imprisoned in the US for refusing to war for the US. Right now, there are JW in prison in Uzebekistan, South Korea, and Armenia for refusing military service. A few months ago Russia officially banned their work for refusing to be nationalistic. They are the most innocent of all the sects.

Here's a video we made for the children.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2016/05/05/jehovahs-witness-video-under-fire-for-homophobic-message/

>>508290156 (OP)
Gnosticism, although I'm not a fan of Jewish fairy tales

>>508294530
In the Netherlands they are mostly known for their scandals due to covering up child abuse (as they require two witnesses), isolating their members from the world and punishing and shunning their children instead of unconditionally supporting them. Which is not a pretty image.

If I had to pick I'd say Roman Catholicism, but I don't have one.

>>508290156 (OP)
I've had a gut feeling that Gnosticism is broadly correct ever since first learning about it some 15 years ago.

>>508290156 (OP)
Arianism

>>508294530
Good luck with that, anon.

>>508294530
go and cower behind a desk because you saw a cross, snake

Marcionism. Jesus wasn't a jew. God isn't the psycho jewish sky daddy.
Marcion wrote the first gospel.
(((Catholics))) judaized it.

>>508295537
>>508296655
Jehovah’s Witnesses take steps to prevent the problem. For example, in the following list we can see how often the subject is addressed.
Some of the articles are study articles, which means they were considered as a congregation study lesson for each of the 100,000+ congregations we have around the world:

2018 - Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection
2015 - (1) We Protect Our Children (video); (2) Jehovah’s Witnesses Educate Parents and Children to Protect Against Sexual Predators
2014 - If Your Child Is Abused
2007 - (1) A Danger That Concerns Every Parent; (2) How to Protect Your Children; (3) Make Your Family a Safe Haven
2005 - Parents, Protect Your Precious Inheritance
2002 - Protect Your Children
2000 - Children Deserve to Be Wanted and Loved
1999 - (1) Children in Crisis (2) The Crisis Is Worldwide (3) Who Will Protect Our Children?
1993 - (1) Your Child Is in Danger!; (2) How Can We Protect Our Children?; (3) Prevention in the Home (4) If Your Child Is Abused
1991 - (1) The Innocent Victims of Child Abuse; (2) The Secret Wounds of Child Abuse (3) A Time to Heal
1985 - (1) Child Molesting—Every Mother’s Nightmare; (2) Child Molesting—‘Who Would Do a Thing Like That?’; (3) Child Molesting—You Can Protect Your Child
1983 - Help for the Victims of Incest
1981 - Incest—The Hidden Crime

In spite of what our haters claim, many of these articles make a point to express the need to tell the authorities about the abuse. Along with telling parents, police, doctors, or teachers.
Also keep in mind that we publish our articles in hundreds of languages so we are providing information and assistance on how to deal with these issues in places and cultures from all over the world!

As a result, Jehovah’s Witnesses are very aware of the seriousness of the problem, how to prevent it, and how to act if it happens.

If Jesus is not a Jew then what is he?

remember christiainity being popular. Hope jesus christ is near soon.

>>508297076
catholic church does the same thing, they publish all kinds of articles yet the abuse continues

>>508290156 (OP)
Gays have their very own Protestant denomination.

>>508290156 (OP)
H-HIYA TAKE THAT JEW THE SON OF GOD LIVES

>>508297328
Our pedophile problem is only random, circumstancial and case-by-case bases. It is not an organized trafficking of children into the hands of pedophiles by (((missionaries))). There is no evidence of JW ever trying to traffic "orphans" into other countries. Whenever a JW is discovered to have been a child molester they are removed from all privileges, outcasted, and exiled from among us. There is no evidence that the Watchtower Tract Society of JW tried to compensate victims with money to stay silent or tried to transfer convicted missionies, elders, and overseers to other Kingdom Halls only to repeat the same cycle there. If any of this happened you would have known about this because everyone hates JW and anything proven among us would be sensationalized in the MSM.

Unlike the Catholic Church, Islam and Scientology, JW organization has no power nor powerful connections with any elites. Therefore, if we had that problem the feds would have kicked down our doors years ago and confiscated us same as how Russia confiscated our properties and shut us down. We would have been shut down and liquidated like NXIVM a long time ago by now.

>>508290156 (OP)
Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox

>>508290156 (OP)
Protestants had a conservative/liberal split back in the day where all the heretics/hellenizers joined the mainline church and all the Bible believing Christians joined the evangelical church. The pride stuff you see happening is in all the mainline churches and we don't consider them Christians anymore.

Liberal
ELCA
PCUSA
Methodist
Most Black Churches
Quaker
Episcopal

Evangelical
LCMS
PCA
Assemblies of God
Southern Baptist
Reformed
Anabaptist

Between the remaining evangelical denominations, you really don't have that much of a difference. Mostly differences in church polity, high church vs low church, baptism (infant vs adult full immersion), and eschatology which are mostly secondary issues (baptism being the exception).

>>508294530
Some questions you should ask yourself, taken from your own Bible.

>>508299610
>John 1
>1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I want you to look at this link of over 70 Bible translations.

>http://simplebibletruths.net/70-John-1-1-Truths.htm

Besides the New World Translation, all these non-JW Bibles translate John 1:1 as "a god," "the word was divine," "the word was godlike."

Why all the "blasphemy"? Because the original Koine Greek language was like that.

This is the Koine Greek original
>kαὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

This is the hyper-literal translation
>kai the·os en ho logos

This is the translation
>kai(AND) the·os(GOD) en(WAS) ho(THE) logos(WORD).

What you need to understand is two things. First, Koine Greek had no lowercase words. It was all capital as seen above. Second, Koine Greek has only the definite article(the) but no indefinite articles(a/an).

So how does one tell the difference between God and god? Because God in the Greek Scriptures is always ho'theos(THE GOD) and any generic god is always theos. In John 1:1 Jehovah is translated as ho'theos(THE GOD) while Jesus is just theos(GOD.) The Koine Greek language is read without indefinite articles (a/an). So the correct translation is "a god." The oldest Bible manuscript in the pic up above is the Sahdic/Bohairic Coptic which was the language of the Egyptians 1,700 years ago. There language does have an indefinite article(a/an). They understood John 1:1 as "a god."

>>508299610
>>508299813
The Sahidic Coptic and Bohairic Coptic are the oldest manuscripts going back 1,700 years to Egypt. They translated in their own language "a god" because their languages had INDEFINITE articles.(a/an). Koine Greek doesn't have indefinite articles(a/an) only the definite article(the). When both subject and predicates have an article(the) they are treated as interchangeable and the same thing. A good example is Matt 13:38 “The field [Greek, ho a·gros] is the world [Greek, ho kosmos].” The field can be the world and the world can be the field. When both subject and predicate have articles they are considered the same and interchangeable. However, when only the subject/predicate have ONE article they are considered qualitative and not the same. uses 1John 1:5, which says: “God is light.” In Greek, “God” is ho the·os and therefore has a definite article. But phos for “light” is not preceded by any article. God is light but light cannot be God. They are not interchangeable. Light here is now qualitative.

John 1:1 has God as ho'theos and Jesus as just theos. Not interchangeable. So Jesus is only godlike, divine. That's why all those Bibles up above say "godlike, divine, deity." Not God.

>>508299610
What Thomas did was not PROCLAIM that Jesus was God. What Thomas did was make an expression of astonishment just as we do today. It's the same way we say

>"Oh my God! Tim what have you done?!"
>"Oh my Lord! What are you doing?!?
>"My God, Charmaine! What happened?!

We can all agree that in those expressions above that none of the speakers are claiming that the subject they are speaking to is God himself or Lord himself. It is an idiom. Even other Trinitarians agree with this.

For example, Theodore, Bishop of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.) was “an early Christian theologian, the most eminent representative of the so-called school of Antioch. .... he was held in great respect, and took part in several synods, with a reputation for orthodoxy that was never questioned.”

This respected Bishop of Mopsuestia was a very early trinitarian and a friend of John Chrysostom and of Cyril of Alexandria. - Encyclopedia Britannica, 14th ed., Vol. 22, p. 58. This highly-respected, very early trinitarian wrote, 1600 years ago, that Thomas’ statement at John 20:28 was “an exclamation of astonishment directed to God.” - p. 535, Vol. 3, Meyer’s Commentary on the New Testament (John), 1983, Hendrickson Publ. [2]

Let's look at another verse that is EXACTLY like John 20:28, shall we?

>(Matthew 16:23) But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”

According to Jesus, Peter and Satan are the same person. Right?

>>508290156 (OP)
Messianic Judaism is the way to go Moshe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

>>508290324
praise yeshua-bar-maryam we have to bring the suffering to europe

>>508290324
hello brada we are all abrahams children

>>508290324
whyte pussy and nigger cock is exactly what jesus would've wanted brada

>>508290324
brada we need money, donated and show how BASED you are brada

>>508290360
Aren't Christians. They believe in a completely different God. One who was once human, and became god by being really super heckin wholesome. They believe that if they do the same, they become god of their own planet. Basically satanism, they worship the self by worshipping their "god" because ultimately they are fantasizing about self-inserting as him.

t. Born in Utah

>>508294530
>We are the only ones following the Bible to a tee
Yet you deny Christ is God and therefore antichrists.
Yet you deny hell exists even though its explicitly spoken of in the parable of Luke 16:19-31 and throughout Scripture as the unquenchable fire, eternal punishment, the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, the smoke of their torment going up forever and ever.
All your translations are spurious and not taken seriously by scholars, contradicted by early church fathers writings, and not a random distribution of errors like one would expect. All the "faulty" verses cluster around your key doctrines, suprise surprise. The tail wags the dog.

>>508290156 (OP)
Every denomination that endorses polygamy pretty much. It keeps the feminist bitches away.

>>508290156 (OP)
Greek Orthodox because it's always hilarious when the guy with the incense bundle beats bad ass kids with the holy spirit

>>508290156 (OP)
Catholic.

>>508290324
>muh heckin based trad larp christkeks
same

>>508301123
>Yet you deny Christ is God and therefore antichrists.

The Trinity doctrine is not Biblical. It is only supported through fallacies, spurious verses and incorrect translated verses. This is a good example up above. >>508299813>>508299848>>508299994


All the other Trinity "proof text" are also translated under the same bias as well

>>508291272
that is retarded
while it is very likely that Phoenicians/Carthaginians (not "Israelites") made it to the Americas in ancient times, and it's possible that some trading posts/resource extraction operations were established which led to intermingling of their populations, the "native Americans" are still mostly Siberian and Polynesian savages who were brought over by the original inhabitants of the land to be cheap labor, not unlike the spics and jeets of today, and miscegenated the ruling caste almost completely out of their bloodlines in the following millennia
Mormons are interesting because they're *almost* right about a lot of things, but in a way that I find pretty sus

>>508290156 (OP)
church of the immaculate TKD

Jansenism

>>508299994
>What Thomas did was make an expression of astonishment just as we do today.
So the first thing Thomas does when he see's the resurrected Christ is to take God's name in vain in front of His face? Or does he acknowledge instantly that Christ is his Lord and God after Jesus had spent the past several years with them telling them that is who He was.
>For example, Theodore, Bishop of Mopsuestia (350-428 A.D.)
This guy believed in the divinity of Christ.

>>508290156 (OP)
Coptic, and it's not even close.

>>508302623
>t is to take God's name in vain in front of His face?

God's name is not Lord nor God. Those are just titles.

>This guy believed in the divinity of Christ.

But he didn't believe that John 20:28 was proof of the Trinity. Just that it was an expression of astonishment like we do today when we saw "Oh my God!"

>>508301042
This is Christianity without white people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-C68Fjrt3U

>>508293762
This is Christianity without white people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-C68Fjrt3U

>>508303123
>God's name is not Lord nor God. Those are just titles.
Don't you see how hard you have to strain to defend your unnatural position?
Let's look at the context too. Jesus replies in the affirmative saying “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” Jesus acknowledges that Thomas's phrase accepted Christ as his Lord and God.

The same phrase is used by John in Revelations.
Revelation 4:11
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

>But he didn't believe that John 20:28 was proof of the Trinity.
You just undermined your whole argument by trying to cherry pick a one theologian who in the end still believed in the divinity of Christ. How do you not understand how silly that is?

>>508304058
>Jesus acknowledges that Thomas's phrase accepted Christ as his Lord and God.

Jesus just accepted it as an express of astonishment. Let's look at another similar verse:

>(Matthew 16:23) But, turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not God’s thoughts, but those of men.”

According to Jesus, Peter and Satan are the same person. Right?

Read the next verses after that. Peter didn't deny it nor defend himself from that accusation. So was he Satan all along?

>>508304058
>How do you not understand how silly that is?

It's not silly when you realize that Trinitarian scholars don't all agree on what is and is not evidence for the trinity in the Bible. Let's look at another Trinitarian scholar:

Regarding John 10:30, John Calvin (who was a Trinitarian) said in the book Commentary on the Gospel According to John: “The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is . . . of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father.”

John Calvin didn't believe John 10:30 was evidence for the Trinity. This is one of the reasons why the Trinity is not Biblical because most people cannot agree what is and is not Trinitarian proof text.

>>508290156 (OP)
as far as cringe goes i like the ones who do the human centipedes to lift gold monuments of jews
https://files.catbox.moe/xhtl9i.mp4

id say the ones blasting peoples butts on the cradle of jewdas to search for potential jews, but technically those were jews. christcucks will consider them christcucks tho, so idk if you wanna count it.

>>508299848
>The Sahidic Coptic and Bohairic Coptic are the oldest manuscripts going back 1,700 years to Egypt.
The Sahidic and Bohairic dialects, as part of the Coptic Orthodox Church's tradition, believed that Jesus was God. The specific linguistic differences between the dialects do not alter this core theological conviction.

>>508304922
theyre trying to reconcile divinity of the real world they ripped off from platonism with their magic jewish adventures and like the gnostics losing their minds in the process like the gnostics did and thats why i can curse the jewish holy spirit and still have no problem answering these questions or have any spiritual jeopardy because jews arent an authority on any subject except how to suck baby dicks and rape kids, and maybe certain jewish borne diseases.

>>508304628
the rogue he built his church on was satan
thats why its called the synagogue of satan
it was designed for the sole purpose of losing to jews, your spiritual fate be damned.

>>508304922
John Calvin believed Jesus was God. Lol. I can do this all day when you just cherry pick to fit a pre-existing conclusion.

>>508301042
if a jew can do it, a white man can do it
the logic is sound

>>508290156 (OP)
Kys you ratfaced kike parasite.

Anglicanism obv.

>>508304628
>According to Jesus, Peter and Satan are the same person. Right?
That's a false equivocation and you know it.

>>508305277
You're confusing modern copts with the original 1st century Christians in Egypt. The 1st century Christians in Egypt didn't believe Jesus was God based on their understanding of John 1:1. They understood Jesus as being A god but not God himself based on their translation.

>>508305919
Yes, but he didn't believe that John 10:30 was evidence of that. The fact that Trinitarian scholars cannot get their ducks in a row is proof of how weak the Trinitarian position is.

>>508306479
Read the next verses after that. Peter didn't deny it nor defend himself from that accusation. So was he Satan all along? Does his silence confirm Jesus accusation of him being Satan all along?

>>508306574
>You're confusing modern copts with the original 1st century Christians in Egypt
The Gospel of John was not available to first-century Christians in Egypt so their religious views are irrelevant due to having a partial understanding of Christ. The dialects themselves you listed appeared much later and again, belonged to the Coptic church which held Jesus Christ was God.

>Yes, but he didn't believe that John 10:30 was evidence of that.
So? That doesn't change the fact that Calvin still believed Jesus was God.
Calvin was wrong on that too. Jesus's audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father. In verse 31, “The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.” Why? Blasphemy was a crime punishable by death according to the Jewish Law. When Jesus asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, “For blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33).

>The fact that Trinitarian scholars cannot get their ducks in a row is proof of how weak the Trinitarian position is.
And yet in the end they still believe Jesus is God because the evidence is overwhelmingly in their favor.

>>508306708
>Peter didn't deny it nor defend himself from that accusation. So was he Satan all along?
Do you not understand what a false equivocation is? Peter is in an entirely separate ontological category than Jesus. Did Peter just spend his entire adult life going around teaching that he was God, performing miracles, forgiving sins (which only God can do), accepting worship of Himself (which only God can do, being accused of blasphemy by equating Himself with God, having prophecies hundreds and thousands years old claiming He was God, rising from the dead and having all the apostles acknowledge in their writings that he was God? No, it's clear Jesus is speaking to Peters's temporary spiritual state at the time which was against God's plan. And yet God still used Peter as the a rock on which to build His church.

>>508306411
Good bait

>>508308097
The Sahidic and Boharic Manuscripts are 1,700 years old. The Council of Constantinople in 381 AD. 1 century later. If it took the Council of Nicea and Constantinople almost 60 years to finally define the Trinity then how unlikely was it that the 1st century Christians believed it?

>And yet in the end they still believe Jesus is God because the evidence is overwhelmingly in their favor.

Based on all the available facts we have >>508299813
>>508299848
>>508299994
>>508308097
It is logical to assume that the Trinity doctrine is based on external teachings and mistranslations. The fact that your best Trinitarian scholars cannot agree on what is and is not Trinitarian proof text adds even more doubt to the Trinity being Biblical. Let's look at another one:

CONTINUED...

>>508309184
>"... the doctrine of the Trinity was of gradual and comparatively late formation; that it had its origin in a source entirely foreign from that of the Jewish and Christian scriptures; that it grew up, and was ingrafted on Christianity, through the hands of the Platonizing Fathers."– p. 34, The Church of the First Three Centuries, Alvan Lamson, D.D. (see WT 15 Oct. 1978, p. 32.)

>“The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.

>"Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a trinity. One recalls in particular the Neoplatonic view of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality which was suggested by Plato." - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Hastings, p. 458, vol. XII.

>“The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—John L. McKenzie, S.J., Dictionary of the Bible (New York, 1965), p. 899

>>508309184
>>508309242
>"All things are three, and thrice is all: and let us use this number in the worship of the gods. For as the Pythagoreans say, everything and all things are bound by threes, for the end, the middle, and the beginning have this number in everything, and these compose the number of the trinity." - Aristotle, as quoted in Paganism in our Christianity, Arthur Weigall, p. 198, Putnam, NY. (Weigall is quoting from On the Heavens, Bk I, ch. i., by Aristotle who died 322 B.C.)

>"They appear to have regarded Pythagoras as a divine being [founders of religions tend to `develop' into a divinity or deity for that religion after a period of time] a status which he shared with certain numbers also, particularly one, three, and ten." "Neo-Pythagoreanism's importance consists chiefly in its influence on Neoplatonism ... and on Christian [?] Theology by Clement of Alexandria (150-220 A. D.)." The Greek Philosophers, Warner, p. 219, 1958.

>"Nor is it only in historical religions that we find God viewed as a trinity. One recalls in particular the Neoplatonic view of the Supreme or Ultimate Reality which was suggested by Plato." - Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Hastings, p. 458, vol. XII

>>508290156 (OP)

Christ founded one church. There were no "sects".

>>508309289
>>508309242
>>508308920
Even the Catholic Encyclopedia and the most famous Catholic Scholar, John L McKenzie, agreed on the pagan origins of the Trinity.

Why did Peter accept Jesus statement of being Satan? Are Peter and Satan the same person seeing that Jesus called him Satan?

>>508309184
>almost 60 years to finally define the Trinity then how unlikely was it that the 1st century Christians believed it?
God's Word defines the divinity of Christ and His oneness with God. You don't need to wait for a council to basically repeat what apostles already said. Justin Martyr (AD 100 – c. 165) also wrote about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in his works, using language that would later become central to Trinitarian theology. He described the Son and Father as the same "being" (ousia) but distinct in their roles, anticipating later developments in Trinitarian thought.

>>508290156 (OP)
Jews
>:3

>>508310360
>anticipating later developments in Trinitarian thought.

You just admitted what was written here. >>508309242 >>508309289 The fact that the Trinity had to be gradually developed over time proves it was never an established belief. It had to be developed through decades of arguments and debates until the 4th century. That alone proves it wasn't Biblical.

>>508290156 (OP)
Only Catholics and Orthodox are real Christians.

>>508310587
They built that IN SPITE of Christianity. And its not even as impressive as you make it out to be either.
And the below picture is not "Avarage Pagan architecture" either, you atomized shithead with a desertified mind.
All three of you should excise yourself from the universe forever. Now. Immediately. All three of you. Then we can all forget either three of you ever existed and plagued anyone or anything else with your existence.

>>508310690
No I didn't. You're trying to claim that councils legitimize the Bible when it's the Bible that legitimizes councils and all other theological constructs that attempt to systematize it. Christ who is divine and one with God is an objective truth outside of the gradual timeline of complete human understanding of it.

>>508311088
>"If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians (who differed from their fellow Jews only in the belief that Jesus was the promised Messiah) was changed by the Church at Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief." - The History of Christianity, (Preface by Eckler).

>"The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophical trinity of attributes that gave birth to the 3 hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches.... This Greek philosopher's conception of the divine trinity ... can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions." - (French Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (New Universal Dictionary) ti-E, p. 11. Also found in the Dictionnaire Lachatre as quoted in 8/1/84 WT.)

>“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”— The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299

Go on...

>>508290348
>any that hate the jews is fine.
So none of them then. And the ones who claim they do just do it because they think Jews are somehow fake Hebrews and they themselves are the real Hebrews and schizo bullshit like that.

>>508311186
Its all an idiosyncracy made up by Saul in order to partially judaize genitles.
Islam is just more judaized but still slave caste Judaism for goys. Which is why Islam will never defeat Israel. The only Jewish states that existed before 1948 were all destroyed by Pagans (with the exception of Simien in Ethiopia but other Ethiopian Jews allied with the Christian emperor at the time helped the Christians conquer it anyway).

>>508311186
Pharisees (John 10:31) clearly understood what Jesus claimed to be enough to stone Him. The Magi (Matthew 2:11), the apostles (Matthew 14:33) clearly understood what Jesus claimed to be enough to worship Him. In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10).

>>508311798
>The only Jewish states that existed before 1948 were all destroyed by Pagans (with the exception of Simien in Ethiopia but other Ethiopian Jews allied with the Christian emperor at the time helped the Christians conquer it anyway).
Clarification. Kingdom of Simien was reestablished and dismantled several times. But always dismantled with the help of other Ethiopian Jews allied with the Christians (and the Muslims Ottomans at one point I think?). But this is still the only case. And its not even that clear what even went on.

>>508312301
Or it just means Jesus was caught up in squabbles between himself and his fellow Jews.
But you will not admit this to yourself. You have to cope and cope and cope.

>>508311186
The belief that Jesus is God did not start after He died. It was present in all the prophecies leading hundreds even thousands of years before and it was present during His life.

>>508292024
>you are Christ of your own Earth
right there stops christianity. this is new age occult garbage.

>>508291612
>you have to be in a denomination to be protestant
I read the bible and reject the pope as christ on earth. thats all there is to it.

>>508312568
Why do you and billions of other people to this day still take the psychotic ramblings of a bunch of outlawed criminals in the desert who were stoning each other and pouring dirt on their own heads so seriously. You may as well take Marshall Applewhite or Jim Jones seriously and think they had great, timeless moral lessons to teach. Because its about the same level of lunacy. And no I agree before you ask. I can not take Muhammad or his disciples seriously either. I can not take any of you seriously. Well actually I have to take you seriously and be deeply concerned because there are sadly billions of you who believe in some version or the other of all these demented tales.

>>508290475
>like and share this >1hr video or your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>508290156 (OP)
>hey goyim the jews definitely love Christians

Holy fuck lmao

>>508290594
Sola scriptura is hogwash

>>508312969
This

>>508290156 (OP)
catholicism. I'd say sedevacantism because it seems more orthodox but I had a catholic eucharist when I was vexed by demons and it knocked them right out so I know novus ordo is valid.

>>508312969
It's pretty simple. Does God exist? If so, when we comparatively study religions against themselves along with archaeology, history, linguistics, anthropology, morality, science, world outcomes, and personal experience is there one that stands out? Yes, Christianity does in a large way.

>>508313567
It's what Jesus appealed to when calling out the Pharisees, not tradition.

>>508314503
No. It does not stand. You just tell yourself that. Because this garbage has unfortunately polluted the minds of billions.

>>508314503
>Does God exist?
Start be defining "God" then demonstrate why anyone should believe it

>>508292152
>>508292405
From what I've seen Presbyterians here seem pretty sane. They're not happy clappy and are conservative in their doctrine. I think all the batshit liberals joined the uniting church.

>>508314706
Creator and lawmaker of the universe. And no, you can't get our universe by random chance without it experiencing heat death first.

>>508315001
>Creator and lawmaker of the universe
And why should anyone believe your personal feelings and opinions about these?

>>508315081
Because it's an objective reality outside of both of our personal feelings.

>>508290156 (OP)
The one that doesn't worship jews.
Oh wait that's all of them :^)

>>508290475
I'm fond of the original English translation. NIV has multiple omissions which makes it Jewish IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHr4ieXipLM

>>508290156 (OP)
Opus Dei

>>508315145
>Because it's an objective reality
Not really. It's a presupposition based on bias and personal feelings.

All you're doing is arguing God of the gaps

>>508290156 (OP)
Every sect sucks, they're all man-made and corrupt.
Sola scriptura. If you join a church, don't let it stand between you and God.

>>508315081
The universe had a beginning and the universe is governed by laws. Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence. The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.

>>508315509
>The universe had a beginning
You don't actually know that
>>508315509
>the universe is governed by laws.
Physical laws
>>508315509
>Everything that begins to exist has a cause of its existence.
Maybe the universe is in an eternal cycle of entropy.
>>508315509
>The universe began to exist. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its existence.
Doesn't mean it's a God let alone you're favorite one.

You've proven what I said correct
>>508315342
>All you're doing is arguing God of the gaps
You don't know so you fill thatbl gap with your imagination

>>508315342
>It's a presupposition based on bias and personal feelings.
The universe having laws which govern it is presuppositional? No, that's observable reality. And those laws didn't just randomly appear on their own, they had to come from somewhere. A Creator makes the most sense.

>>508290324
This, the church that Jesus built and left for us

>>508315767
>The universe having laws which govern it is presuppositional?
That's not what I said. No need to get disingenuous because you feel threatened

>>508315767
>And those laws didn't just randomly appear on their own, they had to come from somewhere. A Creator makes the most sense
Again, God of the gaps

>>508293656
>You have to fill yourself with jewish meat otherwisele shaytaan will fill you

Copecabana

You can always come back to this thread whenever you see a christcuck cocksucker saying they are not kike spiritual slaves in one way or another.

>>508290156 (OP)
why don t you llike 7th day adventist they are doing sabbath and don t eat pork.

>>508312568
That's just your own church interpretation to justify your mythical Jesus. This is why you christcucks has so many denominations and can't agree on who historical Jesus actually is.
>>508311798
>Which is why Islam will never defeat Israel
They already did considering the amount of Muslims is on par with Christians on this day while population of Jew is still very small country size. Jews doesn't spread their religion like God told them. They keep the salvation to themselves and when God reminded them of their laziness by sending more prophets, the Jews killed them in response. God finally send Jesus as a test that if they fuck up, the blessing they have from Abraham's covenant will be taken away. And they fucked up. After Jesus's gone, in 70 AD, Romans destroyed the Second Temple and kick off the biggest Jewish diaspora.

>>508315739
>You don't actually know that
Everything observable points to a big bang or at least a beginning.
>eternal cycle of entropy
That's incoherent. The Paradox of Hilbert's Hotel.
>Doesn't mean it's a God
Well it's not random chance, so a Creator is the most reasonable.
>let alone you're favorite one.
One most likely to be truthful given the evidence. Not one based on feelings.

>>508316433
>Everything observable points to a big bang or at least a beginning.
The big bang is what happened after the singularity. It's the point entropy started to build via expanding
>>508316433
>>eternal cycle of entropy
>That's incoherent
I don't think so. How long does the universe take to reach maximum entropy? No one knows, time is the fuse and we see moving forward with building entropy
>>508316433
>Well it's not random chance, so a Creator is the most reasonable.
Again, God of the gaps.
>>508316433
>>let alone you're favorite one.
>One most likely to be truthful given the evidence
There isn't any evidence. Just your personal feelings

>>508316025
Okay how do you think the laws of the universe came to be?

the Catholics are the best
>>508290324
the Orthodox did no evangelisation except for one guy in Alaska, meanwhile the Catholic Church converted half of the world

>>508316717
I don't know. No one does. Maybe they've always been there. And we only barely understand these laws. Laws which will most likely chnage based on new information as we progress further

>>508316261
They always admit they're kikesuckers whenever they think they're safe and there's no "Pagans" watching them. They will fight you screaming with tears in their eyes if they think you're White and don't worship the jew. But the second they think you're not in the thread, they all suck off jews, mass-immigration, and each other, and squabble over which magic jew book verses they like the most.

I used to hate the idea of jewish spiritual enslavement. But I'm starting to realize the jews are actually correct in that the vast majority of humanity should be enslaved. Because they're dumb.

>>508300141
>>508300254
>>508300304
>>508300381
> the butthurt belter is having a meltdown when somebody mentioned Christianity

lmao

>>508316670
Cyclical models have a lot of issues. The faith you would need to believe that something like that exists is ontologically worse than a Creator, due to its technical flaws.

>>508317263
>Cyclical models have a lot of issues
Ao does your presupposition of god of the gaps
>>508317263
>The faith you would need
Now you use faith as an insult. Lol.

What's wrong with saying you don't know? Because you don't. So why not be honest about it?

>>508317467
>Now you use faith as an insult. Lol.
Not used negatively, used comparatively. You can't make to assumption of a cyclical universe without using faith. It is beyond observational limits.

>>508290156 (OP)
>What are your favorite sects of Christianity and why?
Gnostic variants which identify yahweh as satan and assert jewry as the leprous, parasitic, immoral filth they are

>>508290156 (OP)
mormons. white zionism was a stroke of genius. make the jewish cult work for you, not against you.

>>508317722
>Not used negatively, used comparatively
And incorrectly
>>508317722
>You can't make to assumption of a cyclical universe without using faith
I don't make the assumption. That's the difference between you and I. But thanks for demonstrating your assumption is without reason or logic. Which is what faith means, to suspend reason and logic for belief

Again
>>508317467
>What's wrong with saying you don't know? Because you don't. So why not be honest about it?

>>508290156 (OP)
A good christian is a dead christian.

>>508317722
>Ao does your presupposition of god of the gaps
You have a presupposition of nothingness of the gaps. The beauty and order of the universe and life itself transcends the bareness of that belief.

>>508318290
>You have a presupposition of nothingness of the gaps
No need to reply to yourself with a strawman lol

>>508318439
Now you're just misapplying fallacies and confusing what reason and logic is with faith.

>>508290156 (OP)
Bait thread

>>508294130
Too bad it's a heresy. And the pcusa church being linked above is calvinist. So it's not as if it is a foolproof ideology.

>>508318970
>Now you're just misapplying fallacies
Nope. You're making up arguements I've never said
>>508318970
>and confusing what reason and logic is with faith.
Faith is the absence of reason and logic

>>508297333
It's a shame, anglicanism/the eliscopal church are the wasp-iest most beautiful services you can attend. Probably why they've been targeted by satan so ruthlessly.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIc3Rz1x9Kq/?igsh=bjJkNXAybjdsOHBh

>>508293613
this guy is right. no Christian considers mormons anything but a wacko sect.
>>508294530
absolutely not.
>>508299083
Close. But not quite right. The ELCA isn't exaclty mainline, the conservative Lutherans are.
The United Methodists are pozzed, the Global Methodists and Independent Methodists are slightly less pozzed - though still have female elders/clergy so they'll end up right back at where they were a few years ago.
Black Churches aren't really that Christian to begin with from what I see.
Quaker's aren't a thing anymore, though they have an influence on charismatic and evangelical churches.
Southern Baptists aren't technically breakoffs due to liberalism but due to the civil war. they are *technically* just as mainline as the American Baptists, but without the benefits of being mainline.
Anabaptists are not evangelical, they are freaks and have been since their inception.

The problem is that the evangelical churches have absolutely no respect for history, beauty, and tradition and end up believing things that are against the church's practices and have abandoned traditional liturgy which kinda matters. As you get older, its quite difficult to decide if you want to go to a conservative mainline church whose denomination is pozzed but has some holdout congregations of the most civilized whites in America, or an evangelical church that has great teaching and more tradition adherence to the moral laws of Christianity, but it ugly and has shallow, effeminate worship that permeates its entire culture. The subversive teachings in the evangelical churches are just as bad as the mainlines. Things like conception not being a sin would have driven the Reformers up the wall. And this whole 'don' t make a idol of marriage' bullshit they teach single women in their 20s is as anti-natalist and feminist as it can get.

>>508316943
That's just the illusion create by the parasitic abrahamic system, anon. Don't fall for it. Nothing that ever came up from a kike (((mind))) was ever good.
It's all a question of conditioning, is a integral part of the parasites behavior.

>>508310906
>only people that supercede the worship of Jesus Christ with worship of Mary and idolaters are the real Christians.
bold claim.
while there are certainly things to learn from these two contradictory traditions, they have their own problems.

why are people talking to a jehovah's witness in a Christianity thread? don't you people know to ignore them?
>>508312768
well, the 5 solas are pretty important as well.

>>508290156 (OP)
What year was that church or cathedral built ?