>ancient greeks practiced it
>ancient romans practiced it
>ancient celts practiced it
>japanese samurai and buddhist monks practiced it
>the chinese practiced it
>moslems practiced it before the 20th century

So tell me /pol/, how exactly is pederasty wrong if all these great civilizations partook in it? These weren't backwards, uncivilized people, and most of them maintained the practice for centuries. Most of them believed that pairing a boy with a lover facilitated his growth and development rather than the modern feminist idea that it traumatizes them.

>>508661027 (OP)
>how exactly is pederasty wrong

There is a mountain of evidence that raping children causes irreparable harm

No one other than pedos and their enablers deny this

>>508661027 (OP)
Any society that knowingly preys on its most vulnerable has already fallen.

Who cares if it is right or wrong; looks good, feels good, just give in fuck moralfaggotry.
>>508661144
>>508661172
Cucks

>>508661144
Those studies sample self identified rape victims, when you use unbiased, representative samples, there's no correlation with harm. There have been societies throughout the world that have practiced pederasty, usually between a man and an adolescent boy, with no indication that the relationship caused harm.

>>508661172
So Greece during its golden age?

>>508661581

The reason you are attracted to children is that you got raped

>>508661581
Go back to North Fox Island, or I will kill you.

>>508661654

There have been societies throughout the world that practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism too

>>508661027 (OP)
Mental illness is color blind, is all you’ve explained

>>508661027 (OP)
pederasty is still happens in the west but the news doesn't report it

>>508661027 (OP)
>samurai
That applies to only some warlords during only war era, and not to ordinary samurai.

>>508661027 (OP)
and where are all those groups today? long gone anon. it wasn't common and it was looked down upon

>>508661027 (OP)
>These weren't backwards, uncivilized people
Civilization is what breeds bussy.
It's the child of civilization.

Civilization is the degradation of man, for it makes him a purely social creature.

>>508661717
Nobody was under the illusion that sacrificing or cannibalizing a victim was in their best interests, and people rarely participated voluntarily in these actions. Plenty of societies on the other hand believed pairing a boy with an adult lover (usually a younger man himself) was a good way to contribute to his development, and the boys were voluntary participants.

>>508661961
>a purely social creature

Which is all he ever was or ever will be

>>508661717
>burger wouldn't ritualistically impale kikes like Vlad Tepes or eat pussy.
Typical burgernigger

>>508662007
>boys were voluntary participants

Only a libertarian would think that was even an argument

>>508661027 (OP)

They also did slavery.

None of them or their practices are around anymore for a reason. Faggot.

>>Also feminist love pedo woman on girl, just look up the Vagina Monologues and I quote, "If it was a rape, it was a good rape."

>>508661027 (OP)
Just because a select few practiced sodomy doesn't mean the majority approved of it, in fact it was largely frowned upon by commoners, most of the kiddy diddlers were rich lords who abused their position of power.
Sound familiar??

>>508662173
>abolish all the practices that great civilizations once engaged in
>civilization begins declining

>>508661027 (OP)
>all these countries allowed kikes to enter their population
>so whats wrong with letting kikes subvert your country

>>508661581
all nihilists burn in hell forever

>>508661027 (OP)
>he fell for the meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVh3kj7CjA

>>508662357
Here are three videos deboonking Leather Apron Club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc4_36INQ5A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMs4ijjWA60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB6Bk38xxis

>>508662300
Kikes didn't enter Greece until the Helenistic period. The transition from Classical era -> Hellenistic era Greece is literally marked by the death of Alexander and the dividing of the empire, which lines up with the influx of kikes into Ionia.
There were no kikes in Sparta or Classical Athens.
Jews didn't enter Rome until around 26BC (18 years after the death of Caesar)
Stop larping as an antisemite and study history to be a more effective antisemite (if you aren't a midnight black charcoal ape who can't read.)

>>508662296

Decline? Nigger we went to the moon. Your great civilizations were busy child fucking to do that- but you're in luck! It still happens around the globe, so you should just go to Africa, India, or the Middle East and you're set. Faggot.

>>508662331
Rejecting the subjective moral lensing of a materialistic deontology without any axes or telos, without a goal, without meaning, is the opposite of nihilism. Adhering to norms and mores that serve no purpose and do nothing to elevate the Dominion of man is nihilism.
More morality, less moralism
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm

>>508662331
Only fear shame and guilt lead to Hell. Have none and it cannot hold you. I have none.

>>508662664
>we went to the moon.
>JFK
>Fucking children.
Anon, I....

>>508661027 (OP)
It's superior to allow men to bed young wives and discourage sleeping around. Then you can just slam prime pussy.

>>508662970
Be advised that "young" here does not mean "child"

>Ancient
Are you really advocating for going backwards? You are either...
a) a Jew
c) a nigger
d) a shitskin Mexican
e) an indigenous from any shit hole
f) a dysgenic cracka

>>508661027 (OP)
Almost all evidence of pederasty is fabricated by jews to normalize homosexuality and pedophilia. Nearly every example that isn't a jew doing it is quite literally a lie.
>>508661804
Also a lie. Jesus was preaching in a public park with a large crowd. When the police attacked him only a child was pure enough to race forward to try and defend him and he was beaten and stripped naked by the Roman guards as punishment.

>>508662918

Open condoned child fucking did not get us to the moon. Nice proof by the way. Also if he did, they would have discredited him by publishing it, not blowing his brains out. Try again. Faggot.

>>508663098
It's literally the exact opposite.
>Jews responsible for criminalizing pederasty in Europe through Christianity
>Jews responsible for fostering the feminism which raised the age of consent to 16
>Jews responsible for continuing the same feminism which worsens pedo-hysteria
>Jews responsible for fomenting pedo-hysteria in the first place, so that pedophiles replace a trope traditionally occupied by Jews in folklore (see the English folk song Sir Hugh; in traditional European folklore, the child-grabbing pervert wasn't a pedophile, but a kike)
>Jews promote a perverse, transgressive form of homosexuality through the LGBTQQIP2SAA+ movement
>Jewish academics censor the history of pederasty in ancient European societies by pretending it was adult-adult homosexuality
>Jews responsible for platforming and creating anti-pedo propaganda like HTCAP
>Jews responsible for creating black propaganda like NAMBLA to associate the noble Aryan tradition of pederasty with transgression and perversion
>Jews responsible for creating the pseudoscientific theory that adult-child sex causes psychological harm (Sigmund Freud's seduction theory), almost all early names in "child sexual abuse" literature are Jewish (Judith Reisman, Judith Lewis Herman, Lawrence Pazder, etc.)
>Jews rape children and generate controversy against "pedophiles", even though the child rape is being done by Jews
>Jews use ridiculous age of consent laws and CP laws to plant illegal material on dissidents and to blackmail politicians (Epstein)
>Jews responsible for ZOG which enforces global age of consent laws under military threat
>Jews responsible for propaganda campaigns against White teenage pregnancy with the intention of accelerating White genocide

>>508663043
It's a lot less complicated than that. Picrel.
This is the woman who, in 1894, tried to raise the age of consent (federally, in the USA) to 21. She was outvoted but they compromised on 18.
It's literally old, used up, useless passed over women who are bitter and angry that men don't want to fuck them. That's the only reason.
This was only ~40 years after the temperance movement began (again, led by women)
>Carrie Nation
>Annie Wittenmyer
>Mary Hanchett Hunt
>Edith Archibald
etc

The age of consent is a continuation of women's war against male happiness.
It started with trying to take away alcohol, then they succeeded for a while and focused on taking away young pussy.

That's literally all there is to it.

>>508663142
>fucking kids because you're a sex addict who claims to get earth shattering headaches if he goes without sex for longer than a day
>Trying to take away jewish economic hegemony by legislating against the federal reserve
"They would have just smeared him!!"

you're dumb as a bag of dicks.

>>508661027 (OP)
Children are impressionable. If you fuck them, they will most likely become dysfunctional sex addicts. And this lifestyle risks said child growing up with a collection of STDs and parasites, which will ultimately reduce their lifespan. Just because failed states back then did it doesn't mean its okay today. You should kill yourself pedophile.

>>508661027 (OP)
>plot twist
>inspired by greek art
>made in
>(((phoenicia)))

oh dang

>>508663492
Anon what would you consider functional for a woman? Do you want your woman to be "functional" by the standards and definitions of "function" set by the moralities and norms of contemporary society?
Because I don't.
I want my wife to know how to cook, how not to kill babies, and to be a sex addict to my cock, who lives for my cock, who enthusiastically and religiously sucks my dick every day after I get home from work.
If you don't want that then you're at best a spiritual homosexual, at worst a full blown closeted faggot.

>>508661027 (OP)
You can buy replicas of these on the internet and I'm getting one for my mate as a wedding gift

>>508661654
>Fire fuel detected
Fire fuel detected

>>508663605
Are you going to question the definition of "is" next? Wait until she is 18.

>>508663437

>>508663437

None of that was about getting us to the moon.

None of that had any proof.

And thinking it was simply more effective to assassinate a sitting president in broad fucking daylight in front of cameras rather than destroying all credibility with published proof of the absolute worst crime imaginable- holy shit the monkey pox must be eating your brain. Well, since you have no arguements, nor proof of literally any of your claims, I accept your concession.

Faggot.

>>508663910
No, I'm simply saying that what is "functional" today is exactly what you see today. Unlike you, the federal age of consent here is 16 so I don't have to wait 2 years while Paco, Tyrone, and Patel fuck prime pussy. Enjoy your grannies, retard.

>>508662173
>>Also feminist love pedo woman on girl, just look up the Vagina Monologues and I quote, "If it was a rape, it was a good rape."
wow i hate women

>>508663962
>none of that had any proof
Sorry I don't have 12 peer reviewed studies from the university of R*ddit, nigger. You should go back.

>>508661027 (OP)
These were gag gifts sold to foreigners. None have been found in greek homes

>>508664188
Yeah, I'm going to need a source for that.

>>508662664
>Nigger we went to the moon
That era is over

>>508661027 (OP)
Italians have always copied good inventions from other cultures and
made them exceptional Beretta took Walther's designs and
made them sexy. They discovered
noodles from China, removed the dog, and created pasta. They stole the idea of arches from the Etruscans and built colleseums and aqueducts. They took the Gladius from the celt-iberians and conquered the world with it. They learned about sex from the Greeks and realized you could
also have it with women. Etc.

>>508661027 (OP)
It wasn't a "practice", it was done by decadent elites like it is today, and it was condemned and looked down upon.
If you're advocating for pederasty you're literally jewish and will be killed.

>>508661027 (OP)
Gay se causes anal prolapse. But loli is based.

>>508661027 (OP)
Gay sex causes anal prolapse. But loli is based.

>>508665225
It was a widespread practice for a significant period of time in the majority of Greek cities, and it only became widely criminalized after the spread of Christianity (a Jewish religion).

>>508662664
>Decline? Nigger we went to the moon.

>>508664957
>Nigger we went to the moon

even colored people know went to the moon

https://youtu.be/goh2x_G0ct4

>>508661717
Yeah christianity is a religion about sacrificing one man to permit all sin.

>>508661144
>There is a mountain of evidence that raping children causes irreparable harm
not one peace of evidence actually

>>508661027 (OP)
>wrong if all these great civilizations partook in it?
By that logic we should bring back human sacrifice, because several "great" civilizations did that to get a good harvest

>>508665525
Completely ahistorical and a modern jewish acedemic hypothesis

>>508661717
jesus christ was a human sacrifice scapegoat and you ritually cannibalize him every sunday

>>508665839
Insane cope.

>>508666035
Unironically insane translations, most of these talk about platonic love which literally translates to philia, aka friendship and guidance not pedophilia which jews invented and practice to this day

>>508661027 (OP)
It's not as you say you fucking faggot

>>508661027 (OP)
I don't understand the appeal of it. Why would you want to have sex with a young boy? Seems a bit gay tbqh

>>508666035
>>508666248
And the ones that don't are a critic of decadent culture-death and degeneracy in the dionysian devourment of civilisation

>>508661027 (OP)
>Romans
Wealthy and powerful Romans got away with it because that's how their society worked but the general populace thought it was mega-gay and retarded. Hadrians own soldiers made fun of him behind his back for being a boy-bugger.

Pederasty in Greece was an institutionalised relationship between an older and experienced man with a younger one akin to an apprenticeship. It was a great idea both in theory and practice as it allowed a youngfella to learn first-hand from his better on becoming a better citizen and, likewise the older partner would not fossilise physically and mentally thanks to regular interactions and effectively a friendship with someone much younger. It was NOT sexual in nature and this idea is among the most established lies looking to make Greeks gay.

We need to bring such things back, the disconnect between generations is huge with everyone just remaining in their generational peer group and unrelatable with one another; zoomers lack life-wisdom, boomers are retarded around tech.This is proving a recipe for disaster to a nation and social cohesion.

>>508666248
The word they used was "paiderastia", which literally translates to the erotic love of boys. The word was always used with a sexual connotation. A minority of philosophers like Socrates advocated for a non-sexual form of pederasty, where men just hug and kiss their beloved boys, which is still gay. If you read the Phaedrus, a dialogue which advocates a non-sexual form of pederasty, it becomes immediately obvious that sexual relations between men and boys were widespread in their time. Even Alexander had sex with boys.

>>508666568

Mutt arguing with Greek about Greek. -_-

>>508666636
Do you except me to understand the proto-Germanic language, or even old English? Modern Greek speakers do not understand ancient Greek languages.

ngl these threads do make me stop and think. It's an uncomfortable subject. I don't want to partake in pederasty myself, but what if this dude is right?
>>508662007
that pic is very compelling.

>>508661027 (OP)
>Extremely rare even in art
>Art always exaggerates the frequency of extreme or fringe behavior
>Most common in the period Athens degenerated and collapsed into psychotic ruin

is the sex actually important though or the nurturing partnership?

>>508661717
Most human sacrifices were members of inferior races or criminals. It's actually healthy for a society to practice it.

>>508666985
If male on male tenderness is taboo, you create an anti-male culture in which men only see themselves as competitors for the limited female resources and in which pro-male behavior is dismissed as gay.

>>508661581
What feels good to me is imagining a pyramid built of sodomite skulls.
When I feel bad I just picture adding a new cleaned skull to the pile and it makes me feel relaxed.

>>508665654
The correlation between sodomizing boys and future degenerate activity in those boys per capita is so absurdly high it beggars belief anyone is stupid enough to ignore it.

>>508667003
What a retarded jewish lie

>>508667162
>i made it up
Greek culture was high cultural and anti-feminist. Your anti-male culture is trash and the meanest of them all.

>>508667105
Boring

Try coming to shota toddlercon instead

>>508661144
>>508661172
>>508661581
>>508661804
>>508661846
Hinduism is the only religion with no such practices. Chud religion

>>508667003
This

>>508667295
Don't you guys believe that 388373 hindu gods reside in the asshole of a cow?

>>508661027 (OP)
I can't speak for the other societies, but in Greece pederasty was a mentor/mentee relationship. An older man taking sexual advantage of his young mentor was seen as disgusting and dishonorable.

>>508666568
Ive read all of Plato, in the socratic dialogues the relationship of Eromenos and Erastis were that of teacher and student, the subversion of the roles is what is later discussed and disavowed by the philosophers, including Plato who advocated for the criminalisation of same sex relationships, Xenophon describes this exact social situation in your excerpt
>>508666755
All of your takes are so retarded, twisted and antithetical to the european mode of being and thought you could only ever be jewish.
Ancient and modern greek is the same language, and we learn ancient greek in school.

>>508667295
But we have no faggot pedos dumbfuck
hindu is the religion for chuds

>>508662664
>Who cares if I'm drowning in degeneracy and my entire world is ending in an orgy of cannibal rape, OMG SPACE SCIEEEEEEEMCE!!!!
the materialist reaches his final form.

>>508663207
this guy gets it.

>>508667485
You just responded to yourself and insulted yourself.

>>508667287
Stop peacefagging and give in to being a part of my skull pile.

>>508667276
Homosexually causes an exponential increase in antisocial behavior, venereal disease, and bowel incontinence.

>>508667287
>t. overweighted pizza-faced neckbeard faggot that thinks hes hot shit and probably jerking off to actual CP right now

>>508667383
>the relationship of Eromenos and Erastis were that of teacher and student
In the Phaedrus he describes a form of relationship between a man and a boy common in ancient Greece which was expected to be sexual, and advocates a non-sexual form of this relationship as an ideal. He was a philosopher who held an idiosyncratic opinion which were not reflective of common practice. If you read the Phaedrus and conclude that ancient Greek men weren't having sex with boys, you are retarded. Xenophon explicitly states that Lycurgus' view that pederasty shouldn't be sexual is a minority opinion, and that the majority of cities did not criminalize sexual relations between men and boys.

>including Plato who advocated for the criminalisation of same sex relationships
In his final work, in his previous works he was supportive of pederasty. Regardless, his works that mention pederasty make it obvious that it was a widespread practice.

>>508667383
>Ancient and modern greek is the same language
No it isn't.

>>508663910
16 is legal without caveat in half of the US

>>508661027 (OP)
>>508661144
>>508661172
>>508661581
>>508661654
>So tell me /pol/, how exactly is Jew acceptance wrong if all these great civilizations partook in it? These weren't backwards, uncivilized people, and most of them maintained the practice for centuries. Most of them believed that pairing a goy with a mohel facilitated his growth and development rather than the modern antisemitic idea that it circumcizes them.

>>508667826
>No it isn't.
Retard
There's not a single case of a sexual form of pederasty being viewed positively or being the norm and socially accepted. It's always a subject under scrutiny and philosophical examination at best, and used as propaganda to paint other city states as degenerate and unapollonian at worst

Say the pederasts are correct, what are we even meant to do with this knowledge?

>>508661027 (OP)
In the future, someone will dig up those weird paintings that some of the elite have on their walls and come to the conclusion that every single person in this era was a pedo.
Just because some vile boy lover was the one painting vases, doesn't mean every Greek did it. You basically found some guy's porn stash and decided it was reality.

>>508667685
I never said I believed in peace
>>508667782
None of those things apply to me some to you probably tho

>>508668131
>There's not a single case of a sexual form of pederasty being viewed positively or being the norm and socially accepted
There are plenty of examples of people commenting positively towards a sexual form of pederasty, including the Xenophon quote which I just posted.

From Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics:
>This type of friendship is perfect in terms both of duration and everything else, and in all cases such friends receive from each other the same thing or something quite similar, which is indeed what ought to be shared between friends. The type of friendship formed for pleasure bears similarity to this perfect type. For indeed, good men are pleasing to one another. Likewise, too, the type of friendship forged for advantage. For good men are also advantageous to one another. And it is true also in the case of men motivated by pleasure or advantage that friendships are most likely to endure when each gets the same thing from the other, such as pleasure, and also when it flows from the same source, such as happens between witty people but not between lover and beloved. For lover and beloved do not take pleasure in the same things: rather, the lover takes pleasure in gazing at his beloved, while the latter takes pleasure in the attentions of his lover. But when the beloved’s youthful beauty fades sometimes the friendship too fades. For now the lover does not find the boy pleasing to look at, and the boy receives no attention. But many couples continue the relationship, if, as a result of spending time together, they come to love each other’s character, because they are of similar character.

>But if their erotic relationship is characterized by an exchange of advantage rather than pleasure, the two are less friendly toward each other and the friendship lasts less long. Those who are friends for advantage cease to be friends when it ceases to be advantageous. For they are not friends of each other but friends of profit.

>>508668302
People never forgot that the Greeks practiced pederasty, the belief that they did is not based on the uncovering of pottery, see >>508666035

The Greeks were notorious to the Romans for pederasty. This is an excerpt from a work written by Athenaeus during the late Roman empire, when pederasty had become unfavourable in Rome (but not yet fully criminalized).

>Stesichorus, another man of strong passions, composed the particular kind of lyrics that were called “boy songs” and “boy love.” No one used to despise those who had a passionate nature: love affairs were such an open and everyday matter that the great poet Aeschylus, and Sophocles too, put sexual themes on the stage in their tragedies, Aeschylus showing Achilles’ love for Patroclus, Sophocles love of the boys in Niobe (which is why some people call this play Paiderastria)—and their audiences enjoyed such themes.
>. . . And many men, overall, prefer love with boys to love with females. In the very cities of Greece that have the best laws by comparison with others, this is the mode of behavior that is fashionable. The Cretans, as I told you, and the Chalcidians of Euboea, are both especially fond of love with boys. Notice that Echemenes in Cretan Studies says that it was not Zeus but Minos who stole Ganymede; while those Chalcidians, for their part, say that it was Zeus, but that Ganymede was stolen from their very own territory, and they can show you the place: they call it “The Stealing,” and lots of myrtles grow there. Minos even gave up his enmity with the Athenians (though it had arisen from the death of his own son) once he fell in love with Theseus; he gave Theseus his daughter Phaedra to marry, so says Zenis or Zeneus of Chios in his book about Chios.

>>508661027 (OP)
You have been brainwashed into thinking it was more of a thing than it actually was. The gay agenda to make you think that's historically normal. They pull on dubious evidence to revision history to fit their narratives.

>>508668563
lmao did you even read the excerpt you posted? It's a critique of pederasty from the perspective of friendship
And you're a great example of why Aristotle's ethics aren't enough since kikes like you can intentionally misinterpret moral deontology and thus Christianity and its ethics are necessary
>>508668897
80,000 pieces of greek pottery have been uncovered, 30 depict pederasty. That's 0.0003%, I don't think that makes it a social norm lmao

>>508668193
>what are we even meant to do with this knowledge?
retvrn

>>508669068
lol face the wall

>>508668322
>some to you probably tho
Esl detected, I'll have to put you in the lumpier skull pile.

>>508668322

>>508665450
The greeks had mostly tight sex actually.

>>508669019
>It's a critique of pederasty from the perspective of friendship
Which is irrelevant to establishing the prevalence or the nature of the practice, for reasons already explained. The Phaedrus makes it clear that a form of sexual relationship between a man and a boy, associated with pedagogy, was widely practiced by the Greeks, regardless of Socrates' opinion on the matter.

>I don't think that makes it a social norm lmao
I don't think the preponderance of a type of artwork painted on pottery determines whether or not something was a social norm, especially considering the fact that these pieces of pottery were likely to have been destroyed by butthurt Christians in the last two-thousand years.

>>508669019
>For lover and beloved do not take pleasure in the same things: rather, the lover takes pleasure in gazing at his beloved, while the latter takes pleasure in the attentions of his lover. But when the beloved’s youthful beauty fades sometimes the friendship too fades. For now the lover does not find the boy pleasing to look at, and the boy receives no attention.
this really doesn't sound like just friendship to me

>>508669362
This is why niggers shouldn't have access to literature. Pedagogy literary means teaching children, in modern terms.
>>508669404
Yes bc the translator is a gay jew, the words used are Eromenos and Erastis which at the time it was written mean tutor and pupil in a platonic relationship

>>508669511
>Pedagogy literary means teaching children
Yes, and the ancient Greeks associated pegagogy with pederasty, which is why Xenophon says the following in the excerpt posted:
>It seems to me that something must also be said about the love of boys; for this too has a bearing on education.

>>508669206
>muh grammar on internet message board
Your kids will be double raped while you watch

>>508669663
Lmao thank you anon for making this christcuck seethe so much, you fkn destroyed him lmao its so entertaining to watch. Don't stop

>>508661027 (OP)
Based pederasty thread.
Here's why /pol/ should support organized pederasty:
> builds intergenerational relationships which are more important now than ever
> men can guide boys, especially the fatherless, away from gangs and drugs
> apprenticeship conditions helps boys grow into men, thus more culturally productive than androphilia (gay)
> naturally occurring because it is pleasurable and rewarding for both parties
> makes men so inclined happy contributors to society, rather than outcasts
> redirects pedophilia away from the youngest children toward the pubescent, giving a proper and more manageable outlet to such proclivities
> is masculine not feminine (like LGBTQ), therefore not a threat to boys' development, nor a slave to feminist politics (which is why its so hated)
> boys, unlike girls, usually know what they want and can be willing participants
> tapers off naturally as the boy grows into a man, but the friendship remains

>>508669663
He says he finds it necessary to talk "περὶ τῶν παιδικῶν ἐρώτων" aka about pedophiles, lol
>>508669874
stop talking to yourself schizo

>>508670037

>>508661027 (OP)
>jew worshippers in charge of lying about everyone while they defend jews and pedophile priests
Literal jew worship dearh cult projecting their own proclivities on everyone else lmao

>>508670112
Look at the ID, retard

>>508670112
It translates to "love of boys" or "intimacy with boys".

>>508670605
Lmao I think he quit. Leather cuckron bros... it's over

>>508661027 (OP)
faggots are not only vile, miserable and wretched but are also incredibly ignorant and deserve the self-destruction they inflict on themselves
Greeks BTFO faggots for all history picrel

>>508669777
Lmao your anime cool bad guy dreams will be very hilarious in retrospect when you're crying from your first (through twentieth) broken bone.

>>508661027 (OP)
Sexual pederasty was always vilified and associated exclusively with a degenerate aristocracy in moral nosedive.

>>508669663
>Greeks associated pegagogy with pederasty
pederasty in english has nothing to do with what paederastia means in ancient greek.
eros does not mean "romance" or "sex" nor any physical desire, it means an inner desire, which Socrates clarifies completely in Symposium (Xenophon) as the meeting of souls
the word is used in the Bible to mean beseech
you are just an ignorant faggot

>>508671192
Don’t hold your breath goy

>>508671844
Lol you'll be holding your breath neck deep at low tide, incontinent retard.

>>508661027 (OP)
>These weren't backwards, uncivilized people
Ooga booga. Egyptians loathed it
>Hail, Hraf-haf, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have made none to weep. (#12 in Papyrus source)

>>508671995
You won’t do shit you’ve already lost 444

ah yes the classic mistranslations of Anglo cucks that wanna push their degenerate lifestyles. Theres a similar problem with New Testament translations but thats another topic. In Ancient Greek and i will put it simply paederasty just meant "love or desire for education". Others have explained it better. Nothing to do with kiddie diddling. Anglos that have short history or none just project their inferiority complexes. They do similar shit by turning Greeks and Romans blacks in their revisionist history attempts, think people think!

>>508672157
>>508661581
>444
What are you, some generic comfag offshoot downstream of O9A/CVLT/764? You escaped ward patients are a dime a dozen, no one is impressed.

>>508672314
In essence it is necessary for the idea of Greek sexual pederasty to exist in the popular imagination, because it draws attention away from the pathological pedosadism that jews are afflicted with.

>>508671371
Both the word eros and the god Eros were primarily associated with amorous love, in the same sense we use the word today. The word eros was rarely used to describe any type of love besides what we refer to as erotic love today in English, and the word paiderastia was always used with a sexual connotation, for example, the Xenophon passage we are discussing where he continues to talk about laws regarding sexual relations with boys. Socrates' philosophical musings do not negate the way a word is used in common language.

We use both of these words today in English with the same meaning as the Greeks did.

>>508672314
Paid = child/boy (we use this word in English, e.g. pedophile, pediatrician)
Eros = erotic love (another word we are familiar with)
Pederasty means the love of boys.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/παιδεραστία#Ancient_Greek

>>508672623
Nah

>>508672623
Go back to kiwifarms you skitzo nigger.

>>508672314
>mUh MiStRaNsLaTiOnS
Who cares, everything in the abrahamic wheelhouse is chizobabble jewish nonsense.

>>508672846
"444" in juxtaposition to a child rapist and "aeon of evil" are both unmistakably indicative of o9a and comfag relation

>>508672751
>eros and the god Eros were primarily associated with amorous love
being an ignorant faggot i can see why you would delude yourself into thinking this
but faggots are always wrong and always self-destruct
David says «ἐρῶ τῷ Θεῷ» in Psalm 52:9 and your illiterate bleeding ass thinks it means "i make love to God"

>>508673054
>Psalm 42:9

>>508661027 (OP)
you can actually pretty accurately use it as a metric to pinpoint precisely when a culture came into contact with jews

>>508672751
eros on the left

>>508673054
Weren't you supposed to speak this language?

>>508673054
>Both the word eros and the god Eros were primarily associated with amorous love
>primarily

>>508673123
Every quote in this image besides the Plato one is taken out of context, and Plato was supportive of pederasty in his earlier works. Xenophon was quoting the views of Lycurgus, the lawgiver of Sparta in the passage here >>508666568, where he continues to state that most people disagree with his views, and that pederasty is legal in most cities. That quote by Alexander is in response to being offered to purchase two boys as sex slaves; Plutarch in the same work describes Alexander as a boy-lover:
>Moreover, when he came to the royal palace of Gedrosia, he once more gave his army time for rest and held high festival.
>We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his loved boy, Bagoas won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theatre and took his seat by Alexander's side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.

The quote attributed to Aristophanes is a quote by a character he wrote in a satirical play. Aesop only makes fun of passive homosexuals:
>When Zeus fashioned man he gave him certain inclinations, but he forgot about shame. Not knowing how to introduce her, he ordered her to enter through the rectum. Shame baulked at this and was highly indignant. Finally, she said to Zeus: ‘All right! I’ll go in, but on the condition that Eros doesn’t come in the same way; if he does, I will leave immediately.’ Ever since then, all homosexuals are without shame.

Aeschines was concerned with the fact that Timarchus engaged in prostitution, not homosexuality. Demosthenes actually implies that Aeschines himself made sexual comments towards Alexander the Great, when he was a ten-year-old, in Against Timarchus.

>>508672314
if someone was black, you would have heard about it. like in The Iliad, King Memnon of Ethiopia was black and he was described as the blackest fucking gorilla nigger you ever saw. people kept confusing him with his nigger attendants and were constantly bickering about which nigger was the real king nigger

still, dude was a part of the ancient mediterranean world. all of these cultures had regular encounters with one another and all fucking knew each other, which is why the history provided by the bible is so preposterous. theres like 30 other cultures all regularly conducting trade, commerce and war throughout that exact region, all talking about it and providing us a pretty solid historical record and no one even once mentioned jews or israel or hebrews until a few hundred years before the christianity psyop started and then suddenly they just have this whole other alternate version of history, on top of the already established fake and gay jewish adventures in egypt, which jews themselves were already psyopped into believing. now, thanks to jews, (i blame christcucks, mostly) theres this whole other fictional reality transposed over our own, with a completely ahistorical fictional timeline which 99% never even happened. christcucks i can understand, but jews? they must know christianity itself is ahistorical and a psyop, but they cant notice the same is true of judaism? fuckin clown world

>>508673123
Aristotle's comment in Nicomachean Ethics on homosexuality is in reference to sexual passivity, which you conflate with pederasty because you do not have the same conception of homosexuality that the Greeks did. He actually makes a positive statement on pederasty in the same work, already mentioned here >>508668563. His other writings on pederasty make it apparent that it was a widespread practice during antiquity.

>508673591
>Weren't you supposed to speak this language?
faggots trying to forget that "make love" is a verb and ai bullshit earns you -200 points. well? wtf is it? is the «ἐρωμένος» the "sexual lover" or the "beseeched"?

>>508673896
i wouldnt say "supportive"
id say he was curious as to how it might be exploited by a state and to its applicability, especially in regard to the thebans who were forced to fight in battle with one another and weeded themselves out of the equation for the benefit of the state.
if youre using socrates as a projection of plato, hes even more opposed to the idea and received many propositions and refused them. i think these and many of the faggots named are employed most likely done for ceremonial and educative purposes, to demonstrate the proper way of conducting oneself. i.e. to dunk on and show it wasnt natural. and this would develop into the more traditional philosophy that it lended itself to a more degenerate animal state of nature, i.e. the jew brained 'do what feel good' simplemindedness

also no all those other quotes arent out of context, alexander outright is talking about faggotry

>>508674145
we know what a bottom is, so did the greeks
it speaks to a special kind of faggot to let someone fuck them in the ass, which is not the same as the faggot fucking someone in the ass.
its the same ethics prisons and russians use. we know how it works its not astrophysics if niggers can implicitly understand it

>>508673896
>and that pederasty is an accursed abomination in most cities.
FTFY
learn to read greek and refer to the myths before inventing bullshit paretymological theories

>>508674599
>also no all those other quotes arent out of context, alexander outright is talking about faggotry
Alexander is offended that Philoxenus thought he would purchase sex slaves, the same work by Plutarch describes him as having a sexual relationship with a boy, Baogoas, which I already mentioned.

>Moreover, when Philoxenus, the commander of his forces on the sea-board, wrote that there was with him a certain Theodorus, of Tarentum, who had two boys of surpassing beauty to sell, and enquired whether Alexander would buy them, Alexander was incensed, and cried out many times to his friends, asking them what shameful thing Philoxenus had ever seen in him that he should spend his time in making such disgraceful proposals.

Other sources describe Alexander as a boy-lover:
>King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis—so says Carystius in Historical Notes —had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. “No!” said the king. “That would pain you more than it would please me.” Although he was a passionate man, Alexander was also self-controlled as regards decency and propriety: when he had captured Dareius’ daughters and wife (who was quite admirably beautiful), not only did he not have sex with them, he arranged that they should not even learn that they were captives, giving the order that they should continue to be attended just as if Dareius still ruled. That was why Dareius, when he learned of this, stretched out his hands to the Sun in prayer that either he or Alexander should be king.
The Learned Banqueters by Athenaeus

>>508674956
>There Nabarzanes, having received a safe conduct, met him [Alexander], bringing great gifts. Among these was Bagoas, a eunuch of remarkable beauty, and in the very flower of boyhood, who had been loved by Darius and was afterwards to be loved by Alexander; and it was especially because of the boy's entreaties that he was led to pardon Nabarzanes.

>It was in fact at this time that Alexander gave loose rein to his passions, and changed continence and self-control, eminent virtues in every exalted fortune, to haughtiness and wantonness. ...
>Three hundred and sixty-five concubines, the same number that Darius had had, filled his palace, attended by herds of eunuchs, also accustomed to prostitute themselves.

>Therefore he [Alexander] received the envoys of the Sakai courteously and gave them Euxenippos to accompany them; he was still very young and a favourite of the king because of his youthful beauty, but although in handsome appearance he was equal to Hephaestion, he was not his match in a charm which was indeed not manly.

>For when he had honoured all the friends of the king with gifts beyond their highest hopes, to Bagoas, a eunuch who had won the regard of Alexander through yielding his body, he paid no honour, and on being admonished by some that Bagoas was dear to Alexander, replied that he was honouring the friends of the king, not his harlots, and that it was not the custom of the Persians to mate with males who made females of themselves by prostitution.
The Histories of Alexander the Great by Curtius Rufus

>>508674778
You can't read ancient Greek. How about you try actually reading a translation of these sources, like I have?

>>508675030
>You can't read ancient Greek
ἄρα τί οὖν γράφω ἀρχαϊστὶ καὶ ἄνευ μεθερμηνεύσεως ἑτέραις γλώτταις;
οὕτω οἶμαι τὸ λαλεῖν δεῖ ἀλλήλοις ἐντεῦθεν

>>508675337
You can not read and comprehend a text written in ancient Greek, otherwise you would not have made radically different conclusions about the meanings of passages to every single translation ever published in English.

>>508674956
theres alot of Alexander fanfictions. theres even one where he stops in the middle of his campaign to B-line towards to Jerusalem in order to make a sacrifice to Yahweh.

some sources, obviously, are more credible than others.
what was the gender and/or role of the slaves in question, and whereabouts did this take place? give us some cultural context as to why he would have responded in such a manner.
hint: its because they were fags

>>508663098
No Romans there mate, just jew on jew violence

>>508666541
Retard, there is nothing to indicate Hadrian was gay apart from later in jew/christian accounts (the people he btfo'd)
certainly nothing contemporary

>>508675514
youd be surprised how good people have gotten at reading greek ever since based Ammon came along and changed the game and made its adoption a question of raising your anti-semitic powerlevel

>>508666568
>Even Alexander had sex with boys.
lol no
nice try rabbi

>>508668563
>xenophon
>positive view on homosexuality
retard confirmed

>>508675514
>every single translation ever published
ἀρσενοκοῖται μεθερμηνευταὶ ἐπιτηδευόμενοι παρερμηνεύουσι κείμενα ἃ διδάσκομεν ἐπὶ χιλιετίας, καὶ καθ᾿ ἃ διεστράφησαν αἱ φρέναι διαστρέφουσι τὸν ὀρθὸν λόγον, ὡς καὶ σὺ ἀρσενοκοῖτα

>>508674458
You just refuted yourself. Thanks lmao

>>508675514
>let me tell you about your language
Mutt please

>>508676168
That's like calling old Anglo-Saxon his language

>>508661027 (OP)
>Be weird roman pedo
>Contemporary artist draw out your acts for everyone to see
>Somehow art survives.
>Art survives thousands of years
>Modern pedo thinks it is okay because roman pedo picture excist.

>>508675561
>what was the gender and/or role of the slaves in question, and whereabouts did this take place? give us some cultural context as to why he would have responded in such a manner.
He would have reacted the same way if he had been offered female sex slaves for purchase. Pederastic relationships were viewed as invalid if the boy partook in the relationship for pecuniary reasons, as Aristotle details here >>508668563

>>508675706
Hadrian's relationship with Antinous was clearly a sexual one, he was in love with him.

>>508675881
Basically all ancient sources converge on the fact that he had a sexual relationship with the eunuch boy Baogoas.

>>508663339
God I fucking hate women so much. If I had a time machine with one charge I would go back in time and rape this bitch to death.

>>508676475
>Be weird roman pedo
it's called the Rape of Chrysippus >>508674778
it's a very specific myth explaining the Curse of Atreus and Oedipus and Alexander used it as one of his excuses for destroying Thebes

>>508676007
He makes a positive statement on pederasty here >>508666568

>>508676053
I can't read Greek. I'm going to assume that your interpretation of Xenophon is incorrect as it contradicts every other translation made by scholars.

>>508676168
Modern Greek speakers can not comprehend ancient Greek texts, much like how you would not be able to comprehend old English literature.

>>508676689
>I can't read Greek
/thread

>>508676813
Yeah, you can't

>>508675514
>You can not read and comprehend a text written in ancient Greek, otherwise you would not have made radically different conclusions about the meanings of passages to every single translation ever published in English.
kek

Mark's Law:
- Upon mention of the Greek Language, the probability of someone mentioning Jesus being arrested with a naked boy becomes a certainty

>>508676649
thats a very academic way of trying to say alexander was only offended because he was asked to pay. and i dont think anyone actually believes that. it was a nice attempt to hide a very ridiculous argument in a guise of intellectual rhetoric, but it was a failure nonetheless.

>>508677326
You idiot, the word lestes doesn't mean pedo, it means robber or thief
It's also not a boy, but a man.

>>508661027 (OP)
Homosexuality is digusting and a blemish on humanity
I don't want to, nor will I explain myself
I don't owe you an explanation

>>508677580
robber or thief [of children]; a 'man' between the ages of 11-17 who is not fully grown, or what we would today simply call a pubescent boy

>>508661027 (OP)
>believe everything in public school history books goy!

>>508677692
i recognize your chatbot variant, youre the one who thinks hes god, right? the one with the especially pronounced jewish schizophrenia?

>>508677739
No it doesn't
>>508677793
>the one who thinks hes god, right?
Who? I'm clearly not a God
>the one with the especially pronounced jewish schizophrenia?
Nah I'm not a schizo

>>508677568
The same author in the same work states that Alexander had a sexual relationship with another boy, dumbass.

>>508677136
They teach ancient Greek in Cyprus and Greece

>>508678091
They teach it online too, so I guess that makes it the language of the whole world wide web...

>>508675830
You know, Ammon is a CIA asset btw LOL
Your pic is funny because even in his own subplebbit, people were asking for the source and they were like
>trust le experts
Lol, lmao even.

>>508678175
...what? What the fuck does that even mean (in this context)?

>>508678091
memeflaggots get no (You)s
especially if they can't even respond to >>508676053
OP already admitted he is a faggot and a failure>>508676689
>I can't read Greek.
>I'm going to assume
so /thread basically

>>508678250
That dude is so entertaining to watch I don't even care if what he says is true lol

>>508678015
the same author? do you mean alexander..? in his letter to philoxenus? lol. citation needed.

or do you mean the same author as the one where he b-lines for jerusalem to praise yahweh and make a sacrifice? i mean, it stands to reason he'd probably be a fag in the jewish fanfic

>>508678475
The reason why you like to watch him is because what you think he is saying is true

>>508678433
You can't read ancient Greek either.

>>508678433
You can't read it either lol

>>508678529
READ NIGGA READ: >>508678091

>>508678525
No, Plutarch, the author of the passage we are discussing.

>>508678527
Tbh yes, for the time I am listening I have to play into the theater of it being real. But after that I am gray on the subject and if someone asked me what I thought, I would say idk and I don't have an opinion

>>508678529
>You can't read ancient Greek either.
διὰ τίνα ἀρσενοκοῖτα; ὅσῳ οὐ δύνῃ οὐδ᾿ ἀναγινώσκειν οὔθ᾿ ἑρμηνεύσαι καὶ οὐδολῶς ἀνταποκρῖναι τῷ ἐμῷ λόγῳ...

>>508678250
im sure he probably is, he follows the formula to a tee. but hes not wrong though, not on that atleast. and im not so insanely christcuck-minded where i can only think in terms of opposition to people i dont like and am routinely bested by simple reverse psychology.

>>508678630
youre discussing. i was discussing his quote, from himself..

>>508679088
καὶ λῄστης ἐστὶν ὁ κλέπτων μετὰ βίας, οὐχὶ ἈΠΑΓΑΓΩΓΕΎΣ...

>>508678565
and did you choose it as your elective, or go with some dogshit language like english instead

>>508663339
Her name?

>>508662007
>>508661027 (OP)

I've guessed that male and female societies are cyclical.

You are confusing the symptom for the result.

Gynocratic societies like the one we are in always collapse and are retarded. That's why we live in clown / demon world. Patriarchal societies where male beauty is valued over female are the height of society and like all things, faggots ruin all things, no exception.

It has nothing to do with faggots, which let's call them what they are and everything to do with putting the man, beauty and intellect wise above the female, as it should be.

>>508665525
Notice the pedophile uses the Christianity is Jewish claim. Surprised?

>>508661027 (OP)
These civilizations also shit in their drinking water, so I wouldn't follow every practice that they had.

>>508679230
i can tell you one thing, jewsus wouldnt have been demanding no ransom for that kid. and it wouldnt be surprising that the kid booked it for the hills when the synagogue cops showed up either, all he would have seen is one set of jews who rape kids, and another set of jews who rape kids.

but even that is granting jews the premise that any of this ever happened, and ive just read too many sloppily interposed historical works jews painstakingly copied one letter a time just to fuck it all up with something as simple as pontius pilate's title being a procurator instead of a prefect to believe any of it happened. in fact, the most believable part of that story is that naked kid being there. jews arresting a pedo and letting the kid escape tho? i dont think so. knowing jews, they would have gone after the naked kid first, the heretical jew second.

>>508679088
But he isn't right
He's quite literally spouting nonsense
You're telling me that the church father supposedly censored a lot from the Bible yet somehow left the "fact" that Jesus was a pedo?
>>508679231
I didn't go to a school in Greece or Cyprus

>>508680550
>i can tell you one thing
ἔτι γὰρ παρερμηνεύεις. ἀνάγνωθι δὲ τὸ ἐδάφιον, ὥσπερ οὖν ἐγράφη·
>καὶ εἷς τις νεανίσκος ἠκολούθησεν αὐτῷ, περιβεβλημένος σινδόνα ἐπὶ γυμνοῦ· καὶ κρατοῦσιν αὐτὸν οἱ νεανίσκοι.
τοῦτ᾿ ἔστιν ὁ νεανίσκος ἴδιος γυμνὸς παρευρισκόμενος καὶ μάρτυρ διὰ παραθύρου, θρέξας ὄπισθεν τῶν Ῥωμαίων, οἵτινες κρατούσιν αὐτὸν τὸν νεανίσκον αὖθις

>>508681200
Long live chatgpt?

>>508680610
>You're telling me that the church father supposedly censored a lot from the Bible yet somehow left the "fact" that Jesus was a pedo?
i like to think of it as a sort of jewish easter egg. remember jews by their own theology must inevitably address the problem of how to go about ensuring the entire worships their god, without compromising their own status as jews who get to rule above them. they cant must proselytze everyone, or who will till the fields? the famous Aristophanes Assemblywoman's conundrum..
so in order to ensure both things, one must make it to evident jews its fake, while not raising so much suspicion as to engender it among gentiles.

whyd they leave it in? because all of the gentiles who were on their side and had access to the books were fucking pedophiles and didnt think twice about it. the intelligence of these people both jews and their pedophile colleagues are not very high. the christian dark ages were very real. 1500 years later and they still hadnt progressed from aristotle.
fortunately for us they overcompensated in trying to gauge that line, and ended up leaving mark in, which fills in a huge gap in the timeline of how the psyop developed. and allows us to see the editorial process they underwent as they transitioned from a jewish audience to a gentile audience.

youre right though, mark was a categorical fuckup which they never should have kept. the fact they had to rewrite the entire ending (Mark 16:9-20) somewhere in the 3rd century and still use the non-original rewritten ending in bibles today is a pretty big dealbreaker. if i didnt already know christianity was a jewish psyop, that probably would have done it for me.

just within my own lifetime its gone from:
"THE Perfect Word of God"
to
"The Word of God"
to
"The (((inspired))) word of god" - the biblical equivalent of slapping 'based on a true story' at the ending of Schindler's List. literal nonsense. jewish legalese. someone told the story, therefore it happened.

>508681490
θανέτω τσατζιπιτί

>>508681200
more like hung onto the kid by the bandaid where he was forcibly circumsized, because jews think that makes you their slave for eternity or some bullshit. but i believe it.. lol

>>508681872
Volkswagen bros

>>508681507
>i like to think of it as a sort of jewish easter egg.
Nigga the new testament was written in Greek, and you're telling me that the Greeks couldn't read their own books? Greece is still one of the most Christian nations in Europe as well
Please, let's not be stupid, ok?

>>508661027 (OP)
>lies
https://archive.org/details/higmc

>>508681896
>more like
οὐκ εἶδας τὸ «κρατοῦσι» μαμμάκυθε; οὐ γιγνώσκεις τὴν χρῆσιν τοῦ πληθυντικοῦ; ἤτοι ΠΟΛΛΟῚ «κρατοῦσι» τὸν νεανίσκον καὶ ὡσοῦν ἀπόλλυσι τὴν συνδόνα ἔπειτα «ἔφυγεν»
οὐκ ἔστι δυσνόητον.

>>508682154
yeah.. it was written in greek. interdasting isnt it? why would jews write a jewish religion in a foreign language? why would the greek woman in Mark suddenly become a Canaanite in Matthew? because jews received feedback and probably realized it wasnt a good look to be writing in greek for greeks and romans who hold them in such esteem and calling their women dogs to their faces.
that too also raised many more problems, like why he was suddenly born in an entirely different country 140km away, why his body being missing is anything other than a schizo jewish cult being a schizo jewish cult, etc.
so then you have to preempt those concerns by stating things like "rome pd here: reports of possible bodies going missing over." in the next iteration, which is literally just 800 verses out 860 recycled, only this time jesus is magically resurrected, and is born in jewdea and not israel.

its all rather jewish. but it helps to be smarter than jews. i can see how someone dumber than a jew would have a hard time understanding the process that occurred. especially people who actually fell for it, constantly trying to operate from the conclusion that jews can only ever be telling the truth and that is a requirement for the explanation because a jew is literally their god based on the writings of these jews whove they placed the entire reason for their existance in.

>>508661144
>according to jews
Who rape kids......

>>508682870
reminds me of a quote from a jew when presented with a memely reminder that jews suck baby penis: "it builds character"

sometimes i think, if it wasnt for their whole being jewish thing, jews could have been alright. but theyre fucked. theres no recovering from waking up every day knowing that for some 1500 uninterrupted, every single male ancestor of yours had their baby penises mutilated and sucked on by perverted old men and dont immediately just defenestrate yourself from the shame. its inhuman, really.

>>508663339
pol needs to read up on history

>>508661581
What is 444?
Why can't you settle for 18? 18 is young enough, why does he have to be 13, 12? Can't you wait a few years?

>>508661027 (OP)
White people are so fucking WEIRD

>>508661027 (OP)
twinks are meant to be submissive bussyholes for strong men
its only gay if you bottom

>>508685512
Wypipo moment

>>508674458
he got you there, the active verb derived from ἔρως is ἐράω and the only attested future forms are in the passive aka ἐρασθήσομαι, ἐρῶ in that passage is obviously the suppletive future of Attic λέγω(in the sense of speaking)

>>508661027 (OP)
No on all of those accounts.

Fags existing does not prove it was widely accepted.

>>508682762
>it was written in greek. interdasting isnt it? why would jews write a jewish religion in a foreign language?
because a person came back from the dead

>>508661027 (OP)
>white degenerates normalized it


Every. Single. Time.

>>508661804
43Immediately, while he was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, arrived; and with him there was a crowd with swords and clubs, from the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders. 44Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying, “The one I will kiss is the man; arrest him and lead him away under guard.” 45So when he came, he went up to him at once and said, “Rabbi!” and kissed him. 46Then they laid hands on him and arrested him. 47But one of those who stood near drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest, cutting off his ear. 48Then Jesus said to them, “Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest me as though I were a bandit? 49Day after day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not arrest me. But let the scriptures be fulfilled.” 50All of them deserted him and fled.

51A certain young man was following him, wearing nothing but a linen cloth. They caught hold of him, 52but he left the linen cloth and ran off naked.

53They took Jesus to the high priest; and all the chief priests, the elders, and the scribes were assembled.

>>508674599
Plato wrote the dialogs featuring Socrates AFTER the trial of Socrates, which put him on trial for corrupting youth since one of his students, Alcibiades was one of those seeking to overthrow the state. Plato presents Socrates as gently rebuffing the advances of Alcibiades, but not being offended by them. His speech at the Symposium belongs to the tradition of pederasty, elevating it. The Lysias depicts Socrates talking about friendship with young boys at the gymnasium about friendship. It would seem that Socrates was himself not a pederast, but he is not depicted as being against pederasty.
Plato's works are infused with the culture of pederasty, and seeks to elevate its forms. His final rejection of pederasty in the Laws comes across as much less inspired or meaningful statement about the phenomenon. What may appear to be the culmination of his thought may also be a grumbling old man who has lost the fires of eros.
At any rate, you seem to stupidly opposed to an exploration of pederasty that I think you're hardly better than those you oppose. Another form of brain death.

>>508666838
At the very least, the historic prevalence of pederasty pretty thoroughly destroys our modern notions of sexuality. And that alone is interesting and worth discussion.

>>508685628
>the active verb derived from ἔρως is ἐράω
it's the same word and many other words inherited in modern greek are derived from it:
>ἐρωμένος
>ῥώμη
>εὐρωστία
>ἀῤῤωστία
>ἀνάῤῥωσις καὶ οὕτω καθ᾿ ἑξῆς
you can't say "it's the same word but actually it's a different word" when it is a singular root

>>508673054
Modern "greeks" are such a fucking embarassment. You claim to be descendants of one of the greatest civilizations in all of human history. And yet you strive to destroy and corrupt that legacy in service to the jews. You really are just larping turks.

>>508686443
you keep digging even further, this is something anyone who knows basic ancient Greek knows and now you are conflating completely unrelated words like those derived from ῥώννυμι
the ω in ἐρωμένος is an obvious regular Attic contraction of α+ο from ἐραόμενος
it's clear you don't know what you are talking about

>>508686167
> historic prevalence
It exists now except everyone's getting arrested by the police at the behest of feminists who require sex with minors to be harmful so they can portray themselves as eternal victims or under eternal threat by males.
Child sexual abuse is the Holocaust of feminism. It has to exist as the ultimate evil, and if you question it you are excommunicated from society. Just as Jews claim to be against genocide while conducting one themselves, women claim to protect children while aborting them in their millions.

>>508686698
>it's "ask" in the bible and "make love" when i want it to be

>>508686927
>It exists now
Not in the same way. Pretty much the only people who engage in any sort of homosexuality today are the tiny minority of obligate homosexuals. But in places like feudal Japan and ancient Greece it was totally normal for men we would otherwise consider straight to have sex with boys. Our entire concept of sexuality as this innate unshakeable thing is at odds with the reality.

>>508687043
part of knowing a language, any language, is recognizing these from context, especially since in the phrase you posted you don't have the genitive you'd expect if it was "I am in love(with)" or at best the accusative of a direct object, but the dative τῷ Θεῷ followed by a phrase(ἀντιλήμπτωρ μου εἶ)

>>508663605
Beyond based

>>508687407
>my faggot sodomite fantasies make the context context

>>508687394
Saying pederasty doesn't exist now because not in the same way is a convenient excuse not to take the phenomenon seriously, and to look away at the injustices being done to people who otherwise might be doing it the same way or better and actually count as human beings in your book.
It's incredible the number of fags who think pederasts don't exist and that urban fags just magically replaced them, and that the whole question of pederasty is past tense, and their active suppression and whitewashing of history so that pederasts are actually androphiles isn't a crime against humanity.
I'm glad Trump is here to bring the war home. I want everyone to get a taste of the society pederasts have been experiencing for the past 40 years.

Pedestry is the practice by which those people use to propagate their faggotry with rape and trauma

>>508687949
> a wanted blowjob is trauma
You're a simp for feminists, lost in the political maze they designed to trap you in part by making you feel like you're the hero of a great moral choice, when in fact you're not making a choice at all, or being moral.

>>508687838
I'm not saying it doesn't exist at all. But it's undeniable that it's less common now. We can say with an extremely high degree of confidence that there are men today who are not pederasts who would be had they been raised in a society where it was not taboo. And yet this flies in the face of the dogma concerning sexuality. Our concept of "straight" men, a pillar upon which many fundamental cultural assumptions rest, is completely unrealistic and artificial.

>>508687674
I wasn't even part of the conversation on the subject and I don't think the main object of Greek pederasty was carnal but rather educational in origin, I'd probably mostly agree with you, I just noticed this obvious very revealing mistake in basic Greek which doesn't serve your part well, also πάντες δυναίμεθα Ἑλληνιστὶ λαλέειν ἀρωγοῖο ἄμμιν ὄντος ChatGPT ὅς τὰ νῦν Ἀττικίζεμεν δεινός ἔστιν ὅσον τοὺς ἀπείρους ἐξαπατᾶν τῷ προσποιευμένῳ

>>508661027 (OP)

Many of them are still at it. White countries need to ruthlessly punish all sodomites, so those filthy animals leave. They never leave the boys alone.

>>508689156
Idk why they can't just settle for an 18 yr old, 18 is very young, you can find plenty of young looking buys that age. Idk why these fucks type out 100,000 word defences on the topic of paedophila when they can just do that

>>508689385

>>508689385
What is with this obsession with 18 in particular? Is this some sort of talmudic numerology bullshit I'm not jewish enough to get?

>>508661027 (OP)
>So tell me /pol/, how exactly is pederasty wrong
Well, it can be VERY damaging for your health - because if we catch a hold of you, we will kill you.
Nonces get the rope. Simple as.

>>508661027 (OP)
Only the fucking christcucks have a problem with fit young men having a healthy relationship based on mutual trust, companionship and sexual attraction in a safe and caring environment!

>>508661027 (OP)
If pic related doesn't scare you being in charge of your sexuality, borders and fucking morality then your fucking nuts and need to be taken hosptial for being a fucking fucktard and NEVER vote again and thrown in jail for hate!

>>508661027 (OP)
what can we do with the christcuck problem?

>>508661027 (OP)
Just look at this....What the FUCK? So not only smoking weed, masturbating and watching porn is a "sin" but also fucking yoga is bad??
https://x.com/ChristnNitemare/status/1887941104474964098

I know A LOT of ppl doing yoga and their ALL fucking normal ppl but this girl looks like she has been oppressed and not experienced life like we have with hearbreaks, fun time doing whatever the fuck you want and think about the consequences later, taking drugs and just laught the whole night with friends, getting your first tattoo, getting a fresh hair color etc etc.

>>508666035
>let me tell you about your country Greece

>>508688618
>πάντες μηδέποτε δυναίμεθα Ἑλληνιστὶ λαλεῖν ἀρωγοῖο ἡμῖν ὄντος ChatGPT ἣ τὰ νῦν Ἀττικίζειν δεινόν ἐστιν ὅσῳ τοὺς πλείονες ἐξαπατᾶν τῷ προσποιουμένῳ
ftfy faggot
your ai still has no clue the difference between aiolian dorian and attic while failing at ionic genitives
now that's enough ai training for today

>>508690923
kek I knew it, after being completely humiliated by failing to recognize the future of λέγω, something a first year student would notice, he got completely filtered by some cheeky Homeric and Ionic forms added precisely for this purpose
the eternal jeetification of people, thinking magic soil gives them superpowers and they can skip class

>>508689771
Its the age at which most people complete school, have a job and license. Basically when people become independent enough to mature. IMO the age at which people move out/get a job is increasing, so should the AOC.

>>508661027 (OP)
Faggotry is a mental illness. All faggots should be exterminated.

>>508661027 (OP)
>Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
>The mode of execution varies according to the offence. Traitors and deserters are hanged on trees; cowards, shirkers, and sodomites are pressed down under a wicker hurdle into the slimy mud of a bog. This distinction in the punishments is based on the idea that offenders against the state should be made a public example of, whereas deeds of shame should be buried out of men's sight. (Tacitus, Germania)

>>508690737
In the year 4025 spic-jeet mutts will be claiming that their ancient American ancestors were pacifists and that all of the evidence of our gun culture was fabricated by Martian historians.

nigga its gay. fuckin greeks. they invented gayness

>>508691083
>cheeky Homeric
Homer is ionic, which i left unedited spell-checking your ai
the aitolian and the dorian had to go, you can't just mix them in like that
and finally, your Fake Intelligence didn't correct you for prompting it to say "speaking Attic" when the only dialect not used here was attic
but you know technology is better
that's why you think the anus is a sex organ

>>508690022
forgot relationship with boys part, but not so young boys that they cant give consent, but boys that can consent to mutual sexual experience and to explore their sexuality. Thats the ONLY way to find your TRUE sexuality and who you TRULY ARE!!

>>508661144
>There is a mountain of evidence

>>508691436
It’s a parasite. Ivermectin cures faggotry.

>>508691333
>sure, the birth rate is abyssmal
>but couldn't we get it even lower?

>>508691737
The birth rate is a meme. Infinite growth is unrealistic

Afghan/democrat/chink/iran/anti Christ foreign interests (pedo) subversion thread.

Sage in all fields

>>508691857
No one is talking about infinite growth. Raising the AOC even more would be an attempt at full blown extinction. It's completely incompatible with human biology.

>>508661581
Based! These moralfaggots are losers. We'd all be kissless hugless virgins if they had full control over the world because they hate sex and they hate fun. That is not a world I'd want to live in, so fuck 'em. Lolis are perfect for sex. Emma Watson peaked in Sorceror's Stone.

>>508692112
Youre hysterical.

>>508661027 (OP)
>elites throughout history have fucked children

Yeah, it ain't hard to figure out (((who's))) fucked society. Once you've consumed everything else, and gloated about it, it's not hard to imagine your familiarity with evil and self righteousness would lead you down the path of consuming everything. Just look at circumcision and (((who))) pushed it.
Because what, poor people become doctors in the west? Forget about it.

>>508661654
And there have been pogroms throughout history as well, and as soon as they've stopped, (((You))) sick fucks have started back in your disgusting ways that inevitably end with pogroms starting again.
Thanks to the internet though, when the pogroms start up again, they'll probably be a lot more thorough.
#110 is going to be the physical plain of existence. Because you've made the math very simple: 16 million of you, or literally every other living thing.

Let us post a little more Xenophon:

> τοῦ δὲ Κριτίου τοῖς τοιούτοις οὐχ ὑπακούοντος οὐδὲ ἀποτρεπομένου, λέγεται τὸν Σωκράτην ἄλλων τε πολλῶν παρόντων καὶ τοῦ Εὐθυδήμου εἰπεῖν ὅτι ὑικὸν αὐτῷ δοκοίη πάσχειν ὁ Κριτίας, ἐπιθυμῶν Εὐθυδήμῳ προσκνῆσθαι ὥσπερ τὰ ὕδια τοῖς λίθοις. Κριτίαν μὲν τοίνυν αἰσθανόμενος ἐρῶντα Εὐθυδήμου καὶ πειρῶντα χρῆσθαι, καθάπερ οἱ πρὸς τἀφροδίσια τῶν σωμάτων ἀπολαύοντες, ἀπέτρεπε φάσκων ἀνελεύθερόν τε εἶναι καὶ οὐ πρέπον ἀνδρὶ καλῷ κἀγαθῷ τὸν ἐρώμενον, ᾧ βούλεται πολλοῦ ἄξιος φαίνεσθαι, προσαιτεῖν ὥσπερ τοὺς πτωχοὺς ἱκετεύοντα καὶ δεόμενον προσδοῦναι, καὶ ταῦτα μηδενὸς ἀγαθοῦ.

Well, when he found that Critias loved Euthydemus and wanted to lead him astray, he tried to restrain him by saying that it was mean and unbecoming in a gentleman to sue like a beggar to the object of his affection, whose good opinion he coveted, stooping to ask a favour that it was wrong to grant.
As Critias paid no heed whatever to this protest, Socrates, it is said, exclaimed in the presence of Euthydemus and many others, “Critias seems to have the feelings of a pig: he can no more keep away from Euthydemus than pigs can help rubbing themselves against stones.”

Btw, Aristotle's excerpt here >>508666035 is from his Politics. He is talking about how certain lawmakers wanted to institute population control through state enforced homosexuality. This is how common it is what we are going through right now.

>>508661027 (OP)
Faggot

>>508667003
holy cope

Evil. You know why their civilizations have been destroyed yet

>>508662285
This. It's just Christian and Jewish (and Muslims) hypocrites (many of them also pedo themselves) slandering Paganism and projecting.

>>508692471
>> τοῦ δὲ Κριτίου τοῖς τοιούτοις οὐχ ὑπακούοντος οὐδὲ ἀποτρεπομένου, λέγεται τὸν Σωκράτην ἄλλων τε πολλῶν παρόντων καὶ τοῦ Εὐθυδήμου εἰπεῖν ὅτι ὑικὸν αὐτῷ δοκοίη πάσχειν ὁ Κριτίας, ἐπιθυμῶν Εὐθυδήμῳ προσκνῆσθαι ὥσπερ τὰ ὕδια τοῖς λίθοις...
literally:
>when Kritias to all these neither heeding nor driving away, it is said that Socrates in the presence of many others and of Euthydemus said that Kritias anticipates suffering a vulgarity, desiring Euthydemus to rub against him just as waters on the stones...
ἡ κιναιδία σου ἀορασία ἀρσενοκοῖτα
>>508671371

>>508666838
>these threads do make me stop and think.
ditto.
grossed out & wtf, but data is data

>>508693888
Slaughter goats and pray to them if you want but for the love of God stop sitting up this place begging for other people to think it's kewl.

>>508693913
>said that Kritias anticipates suffering a vulgarity
my fucking sides not even fucking impersonal δοκεῖ he understands, pure comedy

>>508692471
and continues:
> ἐξ ὧν δὴ καὶ ἐμίσει τὸν Σωκράτην ὁ Κριτίας, ὥστε καὶ ὅτε τῶν τριάκοντα ὢν νομοθέτης μετὰ Χαρικλέους ἐγένετο, ἀπεμνημόνευσεν αὐτῷ καὶ ἐν τοῖς νόμοις ἔγραψε λόγων τέχνην μὴ διδάσκειν, ἐπηρεάζων ἐκείνῳ καὶ οὐκ ἔχων ὅπῃ ἐπιλάβοιτο, ἀλλὰ τὸ κοινῇ τοῖς φιλοσόφοις ὑπὸ τῶν πολλῶν ἐπιτιμώμενον ἐπιφέρων αὐτῷ καὶ διαβάλλων πρὸς τοὺς πολλούς: οὐδὲ γὰρ ἔγωγε οὔτ᾽ αὐτὸς τοῦτο πώποτε Σωκράτους ἤκουσα οὔτ᾽ ἄλλου του φάσκοντος ἀκηκοέναι ᾐσθόμην.
which is:
>for which cause Kritias greatly hated Socrates, such that when he became lawgiver of the thirty with Charicles, he remembered him and in the laws wrote "the skill of words shall not be taught", influencing him and not having a pass is arrested, but driving him to the common (sentencing) of the philosophers puts on trial before the many; for neither myself nor he ever once heard of Socrates nor of another speaking having heard, I sensed.
εὖγε, τεκμαίρεις ὅτι κίναιδος ἀρσενοκοίτης ἐφόνευσεν τὸν Σωκράτην.

>>508661027 (OP)
>ancient X/Y/Z
All failed civilizations. Funny how the jewish infiltration and kiddie rape crushes society.

>>508694904
If you are fucking your goat it'll probably benefit by living longer since you love it but you're still a sick shitbag regardless of data points which is exactly why you need God instead of whatever you think you have that's better you stupid foreign faggots.

>>508694904
I mean he makes persuasive arguements, perhaps we are just conditioned by the jewish psycho-social framework designed to weaken us, who hypocritically partake in it themselves. The details are hazy and I don't think he's promoting penetrative anal sex with barely pubescent children.
the idea of having a young apprentice, sort of like a little brother to love and enhance with your life experience is appealing somewhat though.

>>508661027 (OP)
I like how you take something that was extremely rare and frowned upon and then twist historical reality to imply that those societies and cultures at large promoted it and practiced as if it was a tradition or government policy.
You absolute jewish vermin. KYS

>>508661027 (OP)
>These weren't backwards, uncivilized people
Yes, they were. The modern world would be inconceivable to them.
>You can't invade your neighbors or the entire world turns on you? NONSENSE. A MANS RIGHT IS TO CONQUER. THOSE PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR. IF THEY CAN NOT RESIST MY RULE, THEY DESERVE TO BE UNDER MY RULE. THEY ARE SERFS!
And if you started telling them about "human rights" they would behead you. They paid their soldiers in raping and pillaging rights. For a conquering man not to have any woman he chooses would be inconceivable.

You can have pederasty back if you also get slavery and 24/7 war in europe back.

>>508695185
so, if you put it simply for a retard like me, these relationships did have an aspect of love and intimacy, but copulation was still considered gross and indecent?

>>508661581
The requirements to be Satan's follower.
You're right on track.

>>508695185
>εὖγε, τεκμαίρεις ὅτι κίναιδος ἀρσενοκοίτης ἐφόνευσεν τὸν Σωκράτην.
Indeed, a faggot judge from the "democratic" faction, ex follower of him, was the one who passed the law that was used to murder Socrates. A faggot that Socrates had berated for being a faggot.

>τὰ ὕδια
This means filthy pigs not waters.

The conversation is bit heated. I never meant that Xenophon and Socrates were pro-faggotry, quite the opposite.
I think only Plato was. And that only to get on the good side of those in power.

>>508692471
Nigger, Xenophon was an even bigger prude than Plato.

>>508667003
They sacrificed the winners in Aztec ball games, cause you can't sacrifice the UNWORTHY

>>508665653
The talking point is to shit on crossers by claiming they're too oppressive and hellfearing, update your firmware

>>508695663
the eromenos was supposed to resist, it was part of the process of making him a man after all, and adult bottoms were absolutely looked down
in any case when it happened it was intercrural, I'm not even sure there's specific hints in the literature of anal sodomy

>>508695706
>Critias
>democratic
>thinking Socrates was on trial for sophistry
These are the niggers trying to tell you about ancient Greece.

>>508695706
on a slight tangent, I'm interested to hear your take on the Sacred Band Of Thebes

>>508661027 (OP)
>>ancient greeks practiced it
>>508661654
>So Greece during its golden age?
>>508662504
>>508678529
OP is a retard.
Pederastry and Homosexuality in general was illegal in the vast majority of Ancient Greece city states.
It was seen generally as distasteful.
Furthermore the "bottom" fag would lose all of his rights as a man and would be relegated to having the same rights and status as females, which wasn't much.


You should check your facts before posting some bullshit like this.

>>508695706
>>508696374
Critias was the ancient Obama and Socrates? Just another alt right nazi CHUD

>>508661027 (OP)
Sometimes I wonder if archeologists, 1000 of years from now, will find some furry porn art from today and claim "Ancient peoples used to practice bestiality, and they were all cool with it, so that's why we should allow bestiality today" or "Look at all this niggers on ancient TV shows! We was presidents and shit"

How many "pederasty plates" even are there?
This just shows that degenerate artists were a thing back then too

>>508696270
>the eromenos was supposed to resist, it was part of the process of making him a man after all
resist the lusts of the Erastes or their own lusts for their Erastes?

>>508696270
>disgusting homosexual fanfic

>>508696374
I didn't call Critias democratic, I said he was with the democratic faction. And he was with the democratic faction. The illiterate nigger here is you.

>thinking Socrates was on trial for sophistry
Never did I say that. The law targeted Socrates specifically, it was a law passed for him due to his political comments against the democratic faction.

>>508696407
>Sacred Band Of Thebes
I haven't read about them.
My comments in this thread are about works I have read in full. Xenophon's Memorabilia and Aristotle's Politics.

I think that during the Athenian decline faggotry and child molestation was as widespread as it is nowadays in the West. Imagine 2000 years from now kikes claiming that all Europeans were always faggots because they were doing Pride Parades.

>>508661027 (OP)
Ancient peoples often drilled holes in their heads to let the demons out. Perhaps you should try this.

>>508695663
so now we can see that the latter half of the VPN touristnigger's quote is actually from the previous verse (because faggots do it backwards)
>>508692471
>Κριτίαν μὲν τοίνυν αἰσθανόμενος ἐρῶντα Εὐθυδήμου καὶ πειρῶντα χρῆσθαι, καθάπερ οἱ πρὸς τἀφροδίσια τῶν σωμάτων ἀπολαύοντες, ἀπέτρεπε φάσκων ἀνελεύθερόν τε εἶναι καὶ οὐ πρέπον ἀνδρὶ καλῷ κἀγαθῷ τὸν ἐρώμενον, ᾧ βούλεται πολλοῦ ἄξιος φαίνεσθαι, προσαιτεῖν ὥσπερ τοὺς πτωχοὺς ἱκετεύοντα καὶ δεόμενον προσδοῦναι, καὶ ταῦτα μηδενὸς ἀγαθοῦ.
translating to:
>but Kritias, you see, now sensing, beseeching and harrassing Euthydemus to be used in the same way as those enjoying aphrodesiacs of the body, but he turned him away saying it is no liberty and completely unfitting to the fair and good to do to the beseecher (student), as seeming to be thought of great value, begging as the poor implore supplicating to be given to then, and according to none of the good.

>>508696270
>the eromenos was supposed to resist
If this existed at all, it was likely limited to the much maligned bacha bazi version of pederasty practiced in Crete. Plato characterizes Alcibiades as being the eager party with Socrates, there isn't any hint of Agathon resisting Pausanias, and it isn't mentioned in the shipping war concerning Achilles and Patroclus.

>>508696861
the former, it was an unidirectional thing, hence the very words used, eromenos is a substantivized passive participle, erastes is the active agent, the erastes' ideally was to make the eromenos a proper adult

>>508697037
This website makes you very easy to anger and you cannot tell friend from foe.

>>508697497
δὲν τά ῾χω καλὰ τοὺς πούστηδες, συγγνώμη

>>508697338
a major point of the first Alcibiades is that Socrates reveals how in a certain much more real way he is the only erastes of Alcibiades because he loves the real Alcibiades, which is his soul, contrasting himself with the many erastes of Alcibiades who are only after his body
make of that what you wish

>>508696884
>I said he was with the democratic faction
He was one of thirty tyrants, you dumb nigger. He was as anti-democratic as they got.
>The law targeted Socrates specifically
Yes, but that wasn't what he was put on trial for. He wasn't even put on trial by that government since it had already been overthrown.

>>508661027 (OP)
Based :3

>>508661027 (OP)
Nigga u gay

>>508697709
Yeah, that's typical Socratic prudishness. The point is more that Alcibiades was described as being openly attracted to Socrates and it's not treated like some kind of super taboo inversion of sexual norms. Cretan pederasty was framed as a mock abduction, so it would make sense if the eromenos was supposed to resist there. But it doesn't seem to have been a feature of pederasty elsewhere in the Greek world. Which is consistent with them considering it a consensual relationship.

>>508661027 (OP)
notice there are no african kingdoms involved with pederasty. have you ever wondered why that is?

it's because pedophilia is and has always been a white dominated endeavor

>>508697884
After further inquiry in this thread, in conclusion, people go long way to justify their desires.
It is an apology. Not a reason.

>>508698177
what I meant with resist was not the relationship itself but the specifically carnal element, was the attraction to Socrates hinted at being carnal? i.e with Alcibiades wanting to be fucked intercrurally by Socrates? I don't recall, but it's been a while since I read those

>>508698713
It's not quite that detailed. But Alcibiades is frustrated by Socrates' chastity.