Thread 508716967

Is martial arts based or cringe?

>>508716967 (OP)
Muay Thai is the most effective in a real fight. I can knock out any man within 5 seconds.

>>508717116
How

>>508716967 (OP)
>Karate
>Posts Aikido
what did he mean by this?

>>508716967 (OP)
it's all cringe and gay. I can defeat any fighting style with a knife.

>>508716967 (OP)
Can be either.

>>508717116
I feel like anybody who's just a foot taller than you could easily kill you unarmed and not even be tired from the effort. Like the whole thing is just a gigantic coping mechanism for not being genetically gifted enough to actually be dangerous.

>>508716967 (OP)
Ultra based.

>>508717116
Probably. But I have won every fight I've ever been in (only 2) by headbutting on the nose.

>>508716967 (OP)
I enjoyed it when I practiced. I probably still would but I'm 30 now and out of shape.

>>508716967 (OP)
The only way to determine whether cringe or based is your intention and motivation for practicing it.

>>508717232
Punches, kicks, knees, elbows

>>508717240
Sorry princess I didn't know your star sign or whatever I'm such an aquarium.

>>508717232
Kicking hurts.
The trick is being able to do it quickly and accurately.

>>508716967 (OP)
depends
>>508717232
by hitting one of the human suspend buttons (chin or liver)
>>508717521
>I have won every fight I've ever been in (only 2) by headbutting on the nose
based muay boran enthusiast

>>508717686
Karate is a striking martial art from Okinawa, Aikido is an outdated self defence system from Japan that was originally created to counter an attacker with a sword when you're unarmed.

>>508716967 (OP)
Fucking idiot they don't wear skirts for karate
Hana
Do
Set
Net
Datetime

Hiushhhh

>>508717980
So what is the appeal? Why do people even do this?

>>508717232
Loud noises and stiff punches, its all about the form

>>508717980
Yep, a striking form - kick boxing for example combined with jiujitsu has been proven as the superior combo. but real life you should be fighting dirtier than the way most people are trained (for MMA).

>>508718096
nowdays women mostly learn it because its a good martial art for putting an untrained attacker on the ground while you stay upright when you're physically weaker than them. basically they charge you with a knife, you throw them on the ground then run away.

>>508718096
I want my hands to be considered lethal and dangerous in all 50 states

>>508716967 (OP)
only boxing, rest is chinklet bullshit

>im 4 feet so i need to know how to throw that normal sized nigger

fuck off

>>508717360
Literal kung fu master?

>>508717306
>I can defeat an unarmed person with a knife
I can defeat someone with a knife with a gun. I can defeat someone with a gun with a tank. I can defeat someone with a tank with a jet. I can defeat anybody with my penis.
>>508718096
Aikido is pretty fun and not intensive at all. I tried it once for a few weeks and there were lots of women and old people. The moves are probably only effective against those people as well. You basically have to cooperate with your "opponent". Someone with equal strength could probably just resist your pulls and pushes. I could see it working on a drunk who tries to grab you by the throat/collar or something, and if it works it would look pretty cool.

>>508717116
He didn't ask for that kiddo. Back to your bullshit games. Again: he did NOT asked what's better in your toddler opinion.

>>508718245
i know a couple of martial arts fags. all street fights ive been to devolve into complete random mess. nobody remebers the stupid training in the middle of the digbt unless you are like top 5% in your martial art.

boxing is probably the most useful just for punching and defending correctly. anything above that is never going to be useful

Aikido is completely bunk as a martial art (the entire curriculum is based off defending against attacks you will likely not encounter. Also too much traditional-Japanese larping). I however do like Aikido as a low-impact group cardio activity. Martial arts are certainly worth it, but I would mainly advocate for it for social/networking and health benefits rather than self-defense.

>>508718541
An axe kick will knock out any boxers before he even touches me

>>508718753
This is a surprisingly balanced and well-informed take. Are you sure you're Canadian?

>>508716967 (OP)
>Is it based to kick people like a girl or a faggot?
The girlies keeek. The real men box

>>508718711
i pretty much agree, aikido as a self defence technique really only works on drunks, people who are horribly out of shape, or those who are frothing at the mouth mad. makes sense why women learn it though. they're mostly going to be accosted by those exact types, and if someone who isn't one attacks them then no martial art will really help them much without tons of dedication and training to overcome the physicallity differences.
>>508718735
yeah that's why i described it as outdated. lots of women learn it but it really isnt that effective in truly dangerous scenarios. i think its more about self confidence and being reassured that you can go out at night and not be scared shitless like a shaking chihuahua.

>>508718757
yes, in the 1/180000000000 chance you could pull that off. case in point.

>>508717503
You don't get the real versions in sport fighting. It's good enough if you take it seriously. If you agree to dual a guy with a weapon while you are unarmed, you are stupid. That only works in the movies or against people who aren't ready for a real fight.

>>508719184
Yea, for an ape whose hands are longer than it's legs sure it the way to go 100% of the time

>>508716967 (OP)
That looks like Judo.

>>508718096
I will snatch every motherfucker birthday

>>508716967 (OP)
It can be a fun hobby but if you regularly find yourself having to fight people you're either still in school, a drunken degenerate, or something's gone very wrong in your life. Also there's no point training like a professional unless you're getting paid, especially as you get older

>>508716967 (OP)
Judo is awesome.

>>508718735
A good hip toss is very useful in a street fight.

>>508718096
Women should not be allowed to participate in martial arts or any sort of sport. They should be learning valuable skills like cooking and cleaning if they ever want to land a husband. No man cares if a woman can beat him up but they do care if she is able to cook a tasty meatloaf.

>>508717116
that's only because other martial arts don't encourage their lethal moves to be practiced let alone in a public competition

MARTIAL ARTS ARE FUCKING STUPID YOU LOSE TO ANY AVERAGE NORMIE WITH A KNIFE

>>508716967 (OP)
>can't beat a knife
>can't beat a boxer
>can't beat a wrestler (not that fake shit)
martial arts is cringe

>>508718735
I don't know any martial arts fags but in my experience usually the biggest psycho just wins. Most people are afraid to really fight with their full strength and seriously hurt others. A lot of times the winner is punching and the loser is doing some kind of defensive grappling. Also there is some ambiguity as to the difference between a fight and an assault. A lot of "fights" are just assaults with a little bit of weak defense from the victim.

>>508719901
I agree they should partake in the "Marital arts"

>>508717306
nigger tier cowardice.

>>508716967 (OP)
Post me your home address and I will come over and take you out in your parents back yard and show you. But it is very helpful for physical altercations with niggers, not that you would know anything about that, boy.

>>508716967 (OP)
That's aikido, retard

>>508718096
Akido has a lot of wealthier type people that want a work out and some hands on theory. That is fine but some of them are deluded about their ability. It also has a fairly solid philosophical tradition that works well in the business world etc.

>>508716967 (OP)
I think they used to be effective back in the day, but over time - like religion and politics - retards took over and turned it into performative nonsense

With some rare exceptions, like >>508717116

>>508716967 (OP)
Is krav maga based?
I trained bjj and mma abd boxing at various stages through life it was a long time ago. I'm older now and just want to learn l dirty techniques like eye gouging and groin strikes. I think krav maga offers that although I don't know much about it.
Any anons got experience in this?

>>508718711
>You basically have to cooperate with your "opponent".
This training was meant to teach you to sense leverage and momentum and how to harmonize your bodies movement for maximum control, balance and output
You failed the learning curve.

With no rules in a fight to the death in hand to hand combat, the question has been answered.
MMA, Krav Maga, or any blend of Juijitsu, kick boxing, Wrestling is the superior no weapon fighting form only limited by weight/height/age/sex variables as the only nullifiers of superior skill level and ability.

6’4 unskilled male attacker destroys 100 pound super saiyan girl MMA expert. etc.

There is a reason cage matches once forcing all opponents to fight each other regardless of size stopped.

And no one is winning UFC belts with as Wing Chun or Praying Mantis experts.

>>508720747
No, i know the ancient secrets of pressure points and how you can paralyse your opponent with one finger without even touching him,taught to me by my great grandfather bodhi dharman

>>508717116
the point of training martial arts is not to win street fights, if you're getting in street fights in the first place you need to seriously reevaluate your life

>>508720965
>how you can paralyse your opponent with one finger
Jeet magic?

>>508720958
>And no one is winning UFC belts with as Wing Chun or Praying Mantis experts.
That's because intentionally striking to break bones or injure the eyes or cut off their air supply or pop their eardrums is considered an illegal move in combat sports
What a dunce

>>508721187
Dim Mak
Acupressure strikes

>>508721119
>if you're getting in street fights in the first place you need to seriously reevaluate your life
True, but I guarantee at some stage in the next 10 years I get into some altercation, probably with shitskins, where I need to defend myself and since I live in cuck Island I can't carry a weapon. So being fit, strong, and having self defence skills isn't a bad thing right?

>>508717116
Mauy thai is for children. Lethwei is for men

>>508720965
>taught to me by my great grandfather
did you rape him as a thank you

>>508719918
This is actually true, but muay tai fighters are still the hardest to beat, it doesn't matter what secrets you know if a muay thai, kick boxer or boxer can knock you out in a few strikes. The only way to get better at fighting is by fighting styles that spar hard constantly are of course going to be better. Western boxers are also hard to beat, a good amateur boxer can knock out most traditional martial artists in under a minute. But a pure western boxer is vulnerable to take downs and knee kicks.

Still like you say, there are still some master in traditional asian martial arts that have battlefield type methods, that they don't teach to the public. Not simple stuff like eye pokes. I learned a little of it after many years of training and even then I was like holy fuck who would have thought of that.

One advantage in the traditional chinese martial arts is short range power, this simply does not exist in the west, or in muay thai.

if you’re one of those fags that constantly talks about it and acts like it makes you superiour, i hope someone stabs you and then brains you with a lead pipe. jiu jitsu your way outta that you fag. the dudes that just do it for the fitness or the love of it are cool though

>>508721469
The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

― Aleister Crowley, Magick book
https://youtu.be/AdV_Nygy5MY

>>508716967 (OP)
Won't save you from being shot.

>>508716967 (OP)
Muay Thai and BJJ are the kino combo

>>508720965
I KILL YOU BLOODY BENCHOD BASTARD.

WITH ONE FINGER I WILL UNLEASH NEEDFUL BRAHMA SECRET DIARRHEA OF ENDLESS REDEEMING ON YOU.

Kek it’s cool that you have pride in things passed down through generations jeetfren.

I look forward to seeing you as the next undisputed heavyweight champion in UFC 4,563.12.

TKO in ten seconds due to uncontrollable shitting by one finger attack to his opponents bussy.

>>508717980
>outdated
So dumb

>>508721894
>ufc
You can't kick on the balls there

>>508721707
>Muay Thai and BJJ are the kino combo
This. These two will give you the best training for when you are on your feet and the best training for when you are on the ground.

>>508721326
You’re an idiot. There are no rules against any of that in UFC fights and there are many examples of those exact things happening you absolute retard.

>>508718711
Trained judo/bjj/muythai for 6 years go to a real akido school before you base your opinion off a ymca class,

>>508722044
/pol/ is dying

I don't need karate when I've got pro-wrestling, and I study twice a week on Mondays and Fridays

>>508722397
Thats negative 010 points there

>>508721326
>injure the eyes or cut off their air supply or pop their eardrums is considered an illegal

no, modern wing chun has lost almost all concept of angles and footwork, a western boxer will mogg most wing chun guys simply because of his use of angles, even if the wing chun guy is doing eye jabs. The boxer could just start doing that as well. Angles use and footwork combined with not being too greedy, and understanding your opponent trump strength and size difference and gay chain punching almost every time. Though you can get distancing off bag work. No one that doesn't spar hard can understand angles and timing, these things mogg most bullshit.

>>508722491
Go play golf you orange retard.

>>508721409
it's not a bad thing. But picking a martial art based on is it good for a street fight is missing the point I feel. martial arts is for conditioning the body and mind, if you just want to be good at street fights you can train specific street fight tactics, but then you miss out on the benefits of formal martial arts

>>508716967 (OP)
It's good to learn how to throw a punch and shield yourself with your arms and legs, and to quickly create distance and break a grapple. It's also useful to have good stamina and more muscles. It's also useful to be accustomed to people being physically aggressive towards you in a high stress encounter. These are useful skills if you don't have a weapon, or if you do and you want to be able to effectively deploy it while under attack.

All these are useful skills. If your practice of martial arts increases them, it's good. Very simple.

Everyone should carry the best weapon their situation allows for, as often as they can, obviously.

>>508722283
>There are no rules against any of that in UFC fights
Kys retarded zoomer braintrash
https://thekarateblog.com/ufc-mma-rules/
Here are the 27 fouls that are listed under the mixed martial arts rules.

Butting with the head
Eye gouging of any kind
Biting or spitting at an opponent
Fish Hooking
Hair pulling
Spiking the opponent to the canvas onto the head or neck (pile-driving)
Strikes to the spine or the back of the head
Throat strikes of any kind and/or grabbing the trachea
Fingers outstretched toward an opponent’s face/eyes
Downward pointing elbow strike (12 to 6)
Groin attacks of any kind
Kneeing and/or Kicking the head of a grounded opponent
Stomping of a grounded fighter
Holding opponent’s gloves or shorts
Holding or grabbing the fence or ropes with fingers or toes
Small joint manipulation
Throwing an opponent out of the ring or caged area
Intentionally placing a finger into any orifice, or into any cut or laceration of your opponent
Clawing, pinching, twisting the flesh
Timidity (avoiding contact, or consistently dropping the mouthpiece, or faking an injury
Use of abusive language in the fighting area
Flagrant disregard of the referee’s instructions
Unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to the opponent
Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat
Attacking an opponent on or during the break
Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee
Interference from a mixed martial artist’s corner or seconds

>>508722619
No golf, no golf - you're the golfer!

>>508717503
The unarmed are not people so both in your scenario deserve death for pretending otherwise.

>>508716967 (OP)
Muay Thai, Combat Sambo, Judo and BJJ are the most effective martial arts. All put together would make the most complete 'fighter'. But all of them alone, especially Judo, Muay Thai are the best chances of success. If you have weight parity or more weight on someone, they are not going to be able to defend a random Judo throw and when they're on the ground they're dead. Even if you're smaller, you use leverage.

Muay Thai is probably the second best. Its higher risk but higher reward, if you don't execute well, and you're significantly smaller you still might get fucked up

>>508716967 (OP)
Just do kickboxing and carry a gun

>>508723580
Thats the new governor of new York right there buddy hamza

>>508716967 (OP)
Ofc it is cringe. But it does not matter.

>>508723519
Even armed, it's still kind of a cope.

Suppose you're at the grocery store with your concealed weapon just minding your own business, and this dude walks by and totally unprovoked grabs your head in his hands. He can literally crush your skull like a melon and it would hardly be challenging. There's zero defense against it. By the time your hands found your gun handle, your gray matter would already be squelching between his fingers.

>>508718711
sure, anon. all I'm saying is rolling around on a mat with your "bro" is fucking gay. every good hillbilly carries a knife at all times.

>>508724769
This, muh knife and gun fags pretend the second amendment exists everywhere
They pretend in line at a gas station the man behind them simply couldn't stab them in the back while they are distracted putting in the pen code for their card.
They pretend violence doesn't exist at airports, prisons or countries with laws against carrying any weapons
It's a cope and I just ignore the /k/ope posters

>>508725314
Based Hulk-chad

>>508718157
this guy knows what hes talking about

>>508720193
a win is a win is a win. recommend carrying a knife.

>>508725473
This, also rocks work pretty well too

>>508725473
People gonna cope but knife wins every time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipf1mROm6rg

>>508725663
*almost every time.
But the odds are heavily stacked against it.

>>508716967 (OP)
>>508717116
Martial arts are extremely based. Every man should know how to fight.

List of based styles off the top of my head, in order:
>Muay Thai
>BJJ
>Boxing/Kickboxing
>taekwondo
>judo
>Krav Maga

Anything else is for fags, aikido is for turbofags.

Its good so you don't get into a flight or freeze response. Although fleeing is usually decent if theres nothing to gain.

But its good to get some control and oversee the situation. I doubt anyone would want to fight anyways with someone that's really concious of what they do, skilled and calmly so.

Avoiding fights is probably the best.

>>508718735
Not true with grappling. A guy with three BJJ lessons will incapacitated an untrained dude, unless he has 100lb on him.

Or be the iniator i guess and stop bring cucks n be warrior vikings again

>>508716967 (OP)
Martiao arts were created by the weak to fend over the strong.
But it doesn't matter now that Mr. Colt made us equal

>>508717503
you're completely correct but both the redpill griftosphere and redditors worship mma fags

>>508725663
bingo

>>508726102
Sad but true.

>>508720094
Street fighting is retarded. But being trained and knowing how to throw a punch (and willing to do it to someone) will definently lead you to "win" more fights. But in a street fight, everyone loses.

There's a reason why the "drunken brawler" fight style exists. Being a deranged unpredictable psycho works.

>>508720965
> bodhi dharman
Teach me your ways anon. This bloke was next level, myth saids the cave he was in has a hole in the wall he put their, with his fist, solid rock.

>>508726182
saved. you're alright, anon. have a great fuckn night

>>508716967 (OP)
It needs to be flexible.
Nobody has the best kung fu.
You take from several arts those elements which work for your body type and weight, and train in them.
Just karate won't do. Especially not in this world where everyone can learn the tells of every martial art in the world and how to counter them by watching youtube for a few hours every week.