Thread 509294504

>Tax the rich

Why does this make rightoid boot lickers seethe so much?

every American thinks he's 1 month away from becoming a billionaire

YOU CAN'T JUST TAX THE RICHENSTEINS AND THE GREEDYBERGS
THEY EARNED THEIR MONEY
DATS GOMUNISM

>>509294504 (OP)
Because we are not poor

Idk but it's hilarious and he should advance in his career. Fuck this society.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because they are white subhumans. In a race we would wipe them out in 3 days.

>>509294504 (OP)
He should take one of Bernie Sanders homes and give it to someone who doesn't have one. If he did that, he'd earn my respect

Thread smells of festering axewounds

>>509294577
At this inflation rate we will be
>>509294626
Aren’t you taxed 70% in Denmark + 25% by the EU? 38 out of the 40 hours you work weekly belong to the government. Findom cucking lmao.

>>509294698
It's because you are delusional, and your statement proves it.

>>509294923
>lick billionaire boots or ur a tranny!!!!
It's no wonder you entered the thread nose first.

>>509294504 (OP)
It's the American way to suck billionaire's cock.

>>509295010
My bank account is 7 digits long
Cope poor fag hahahaha

>>509295034
>discord troon insists he’s not a troon
lel

>>509294504 (OP)
Glad to see Andy Warski getting into politics now

i hate him because hes brown

>>509295148
cool

>>509295143
Isn't your government full of rich jews?

>>509294504 (OP)
Pajeet 76 IQ thread

>>509295182
>jewish shill insists he's not a jewish shill
kek

>>509294504 (OP)
The top 10% pay 75% of taxes
The bottom 50% pay zero (income) tax

>Tax the rich
>Keep the loopholes
>The rich keep their money
>The poor get taxed more
>Never explain how much money is required for taxes

The scam goes on and on.

>>509294504 (OP)
Does this actually affect rich or is it just to fuck over middle class?

>>509295384
>hey isn’t this openly anti-white sandnigger communist heckin based, my fellow right wingers?!
LEL

>>509295304
And what have you achieved in life retard? That's right, nothing. And you never will.

>>509295183

Warski looks like Charles Manson, 100% semitic phenotype.

>>509294504 (OP)
The only people who actually believe that are the brainwashed fox news boomers

>>509294998
And yet Denmark is a way better country to live in than Weimerica

>>509295698
And that’s largely because of demographics

>>509294504 (OP)
It's the funniest thing
>billionaires riled the nationalist whites to hate anyone who even says the phrase "tax the rich"
>all the programs that help poor and middle class whites are gutted over time, because "niggers use them"
>white quality of life nosedives, white communities become meth-addicted trailer parks and trashy shit
>whites want even more of this rolled back until they don't even have Medicare or social security
>white quality of life will nosedive
>meanwhile billionaires (disproportionate Jews) are literally laughing at our faces
>"Oy!! The goyim were so stupid, SO fucking stupid that they GENOCIDED THEMSELVES!"
>"We will write this in the history books: stupid fucking white trash voted to kill themselves off! Hey, it's not our fault, we asked for their permission!" (also spent decades brainwashing whites)
>within 50 years, whites forcibly cordoned into ghettos and mocked and laughed at by (((globalist))) media as a failed, degenerate race that deserves to be finished off
>process begins again with chinks or Hindus

>>509295510
>hey now taxing the rich is something only brown communist trannies do my fellow white americans
lol, lmao

>>509294577
This

Somehow wageniggers believe that through hard work and saving, they can one day become billionaires too.

I don't think most people realize exactly how much 1 billion really is. Let alone 1 trillion. If people could conceptualize this I think even high tier wagies ending the month at a net positive and investing all their excess would realize that it's impossible to get to even 1% of the wealth of (((the elite)))

>>509295967
Whites are wealthy and non whites are not. Taxing the rich is taxing whites

>>509296365
jews are not white

>>509296365
I agree, it's those white Christian bankers that are the problem

All billionaires should have their money taken away and redistributed

>>509296523
>>509296762
>no white person has over a million dollars
>everyone is le poor except our overlords

>>509295967
the rich are already taxed
Stop importing poor brown people

>>509295417
So who is working and why are they working like this?

>>509295010
The only reason you would believe that is because you don't understand how credit works.

>>509295207
Simple as.

>>509295492
It fucks over the middle class by forcing the rich to leave the country. We work for the rich. They pay our wages.

>>509295698
Denmark is an entire country with a population of 5.947 million people. New york city is a city with a population of 8.258 million. Think about it. Retard.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because they never tax the rich. They always attack the middle class and the rich swoop in when the middle class are forced to sell just to afford the taxes.

>>509295492
Always does directly or indirectly.
Tax the rich often mean we tax everyone but homeless niggas, so everyone loses, but the rich that do not pay due to last minute legal loophole.
Second option means we actually manage to tax the company, that just raises price generating inflation that don’t bring wage increases.

>>509294504 (OP)
"The rich" fund his sorry ass, as evidenced by him winning the backing of a major political party.

He just wants to tax white people out of NYC and create a mecca where the WTC used to be.

>>509294626
>>509294504 (OP)
We taxed the rich already , retards.
The only way to tax billionaier oligarchs is to tax the giant billion $ companies that they own.
It's TARIFFS.

The only way to tax billionaiers who outsourced to China is Tariffs.
You are welcome.

>>509299375
Dumb fuck.
Marginal rates. For tax year 2025, the top tax rate remains 37% for individual single taxpayers with incomes greater than $626,350 ($751,600 for married couples filing jointly). The other rates are:
35% for incomes over $250,525 ($501,050 for married couples filing jointly).
32% for incomes over $197,300 ($394,600 for married couples filing jointly).
24% for incomes over $103,350 ($206,700 for married couples filing jointly).
22% for incomes over $48,475 ($96,950 for married couples filing jointly).
12% for incomes over $11,925 ($23,850 for married couples filing jointly).
10% for incomes $11,925 or less ($23,850 or less for married couples filing jointly).

37% is 13% less than 1/2 of their earnings.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because we are not poor.
And because every single tax increase is paid by Middle and Upper middle class, and not rich.

>rich own stocks of companies and pay very low capital gains tax

>>509294504 (OP)
It'll make everything cost more and there won't be any jobs!!!!! Oh wait...

>>509299609
Dumb fuck.
Rich own STOCKS .
They don't have some magic job where they earn half a million a year, moron.
They own large % of stocks.
And get taxed extremely low as capital gains tax is very low.

And IN REALITY all tax increases are actually paid by Midde and Upper Middle class.
ALL OF them.
Govs know this, they prevent people FROM becoming rich by taxing middle and upper middle class.

Stop being retarded.

>>509299621
Pro tip. Dividends on $0 income are tax free...

>>509299850
What is capital gains tax .

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/capital-gains-tax-rates
https://taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-are-capital-gains-taxed

Rich own stocks, and they all rotate their stock this way so that they don't even get taxed short term capital gains tax.
They are all taxed at long term capital gains .
Which is 15%-20%.

>and we already taxed the rich more btw
>by raising it from I think 18% to 20%
Stop being retarded and learn something.

>>509299760
You only pay "capital gains" when you sell stock, and Capital gains are 20% of the increased value. Besides the fact that in addition to capital gains tax you must pay income tax a the nominal tax rate. Capital gains tax is not the strategy.

>>509294504 (OP)
show me anyone who says "zero tax on working class"

rich just tax evade and fuck off to another state while midclass and workers get skinned alive instead

>>509300014
Learn something? Shitskin, I already know. Maybe you should nerdwallet search the difference between capital gains and dividend income.

>>509300118
>IN REALITY all tax increases are actually paid by Middle and Upper Middle class.
>ALL OF them.
>Govs know this, they prevent people FROM becoming rich by taxing middle and upper middle class.
>>509299621

All tax increases have 1 purpose : to PREVENT people FROM becoming rich.

The rich own stocks and when they sell stocks, they pay 20% capital gains tax.
>or they may be sitting in some offshore, Caribbean island, latin america etc.
>and pay 0

There is no easy way to tax the rich. But there is an easy way to BLOCK others from becoming rich. It is to tax them to death.
>then you will have less and less taxpayers who actually make money and provide jobs

>>509294504 (OP)
We should confiscate all edomite assets, be they Jew or muslim.

>>509294504 (OP)
All taxation is theft.

>>509300332
They don't sell the stock outright, they take low interest loans against them and then can pay back the debts later without paying taxes, or they roll all debts into shell company and write them off completely.
They all do it for each other back and forth to avoid taxes entirely.

>>509300332
You don't understand what it is the communists are complaining about. You would need to understand not what it is that they want, but what they want to go back to.

World War I


In order to finance U.S. participation in World War One, Congress passed the 1916 Revenue Act, and then the War Revenue Act of 1917. The highest income tax rate jumped from 15 percent in 1916 to 67 percent in 1917 to 77 percent in 1918. War is expensive.
After the war, federal income tax rates took on the steam of the roaring 1920s, dropping to 25 percent from 1925 through 1931.

The Depression


Congress raised taxes again in 1932 during the Great Depression from 25 percent to 63 percent on the top earners.

World War II


As we mentioned earlier, war is expensive.
In 1944, the top rate peaked at 94 percent on taxable income over $200,000 ($2.5 million in today’s dollars3). That’s a high tax rate.

The 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s


Over the next three decades, the top federal income tax rate remained high, never dipping below 70 percent.

The 1980s


The Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 slashed the highest rate from 70 to 50 percent, and indexed the brackets for inflation.
Then, the Tax Reform Act of 1986, claiming that it was a two-tiered flat tax, expanded the tax base and dropped the top rate to 28 percent for tax years beginning in 1988.4 The hype here was that the broader base contained fewer deductions, but brought in the same revenue. Further, lawmakers claimed that they would never have to raise the 28 percent top rate.
The 28 percent top rate promise lasted three years before it was broken.

Essentially they want to go BACK to a 50-70% tax rate for top earners.

>>509300224
This Anon is right. We should just accept that taxes are solely for the goyim caste. Trying to make them contribute or attempts at closing loopholes are futile and extremely anti-semitic.
You know what we do to anti-semites in Trump's America right? One way trip to El Salvador like you deserve.

>>509300629
This.

>>509294504 (OP)
>Give the government more money to spend on foreign wars, spying on you, setting up gulags for you, paying 3rd worlders to invade you and fund genocide
Nah, I actually dont care about the governments tax revenue. It's record high here and services are record low.If anything cut taxes so all the people skimming off the top lose their income

>>509294504 (OP)
Because the right has been overrun by actual fucking retards. The types of retards who wear flags as capes and think it’s patriotic to print the nations flag on their cheap Walmart clothing kek. The modern right looks like regulars at a methadone clinic kek.

>>509300445
Based

>>509294504 (OP)
the right loves to eat itself

>>509294504 (OP)
Because everyone above room temp IQ knows they don't pay taxes and this just them using low class to fuck with the middle.

>>509300629
>>509300629
>They don't sell the stock outright, they take low interest loans against them
>>509300629
>all debts into shell company and write them off completely.
>>509300629
>They all do it for each other back and forth to avoid taxes entirely.
True. Yep.

In the mean time , rich boomers run US gov and keep creating 50 new taxes and keep increasing taxes on middle and upper middle class .
To PREVENT anyone else FROM becoming RICH.

>>509300332
>Govs know this, they prevent people FROM becoming rich by taxing middle and upper middle class.
Its physically impossible a majority of the population to become rich
Being rich means not having to work

>>509294504 (OP)
BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK
the rich are rich because they know how to bend the rules, they know the loopholes. They pay next to nothing and the smaller fry get screwed. Why do socialists continue to shill the same failed bullshit?

Lottery Syndrome.
>I need to defend the rich so I will be set when I hit the lottery

>>509301302
There haven' been NEW taxes in more than 50 years.

>>509301337
No.
But you can happily bankrupt thousands of small businesses -
with tax increasses
with hundreds of new gov regulations or legal crap
with crazy bank credit card fees
with thousand new laws and regulations
with crazy high advertising fees (Google ads $1/click or more)
with wholesale price incrases
with shipping price increases
etc. etc. etc.

So you can either keep barely surviving , or bankrupt 10k of white owners owned small businesses with very few large companies (Google , Bank , etc) .
So that majority of small businesses goes bankrupt or keeps barely operational.

You do this to PREVENT SMALL BUSINESSES from becoming successful. And business owner from becoming rich.
>they already have their own kids and grand kids
>they want their kids to succeed when they pass their billion $ companies to them
>and not you
>you may be a dangerous competitor if you succeed.

>>509301658
LIES.
There were 50 other local new regulations, taxes and tax increases.
For you too:
>>509301686

>>509301762
What do LOCAL taxes have to do with the FEDERAL government? And even if that were the case, what that would mean is that you should support lifting the SALT tax deduction cap.

>>509302027
For example .
I am paying 6 different schools taxes out of real estate and 2 businesses .
I am also paying a REVENUE TAX (!!!) a few thousand $ on my revenue / year.
>supposedly this tax on revenue doesn't exist
>but it exists in my local municipality
>they tax all local businesses on revenue.
>so it is very difficult to run a low margin eccomerce business there, for example.

>>509302027

>I am also paying a REVENUE TAX (!!!) a few thousand $ on my revenue / year.
>supposedly this tax on revenue doesn't exist
>but it exists in my local municipality
>they tax all local businesses on revenue.
>so it is very difficult to run a low margin eccomerce business there

So, I am selling american made low margin products (american made products cost higher wholesale).
It makes selling american made low margin products unprofitable.
It FORCES me to consider selling cheapo or counterfeited CHINESE made products instead .
>because selling chinese cheap or counterfeited product has larger margin
>and that's how I can possibly pay all those ridiculous retarded boomer taxes.

>>509302216
This tax on your revenue isn't federal. It is state and local. What you would really want is the ability to deduct state and local taxes from your federal income tax. This is what the State And Local Tax or SALT tax deduction is. Currently I think you can only deduct 20%. You should be able to deduct all of it.

>>509302504
If gook made products cost the same as American made products what do you think would happen then?

>>509302531
Read this :
>>509302531

I already have a CPA to comply with 150 different laws and regulations. Federal, state, local.
Fck this shit.
I closed my warehouse . And running home based business now.
Fck this shit.

These regulations are there TO PREVENT people from becoming rich.
>not to mention: rent , bank credit card fees, and Google ads cost .
Fck all of the above.

I am sure 90% of small businesses in NYC are of the same opinion.

>>509302660
Chinese made product cost 15% , 1/5 - 1/6.
They are crap quality.
With tariffs their price will go to 30%-40% .
They are still crap quality, american made products are higher quality.

>>509300738
I ask again - show me anyone left right or center who says "zero tax on working class", that would actually help common people in an instant
crickets

>>509302753
You are not understanding who is taxing you, as you are not understanding the difference between state and local government and the federal government.

>>509302893
But the question was what would happen if both products cost the same.

The first thing that would happen is you would go out of business because no one could afford to buy anything.

This is called "short term pain".

The next thing that would happen is everyone would start losing their jobs because no one is buying stuff and spending money.Still short term pain.

Then what happens is wages must rise so that people can afford to buy goods. This is called "Long term effect".

As wages rise and people have more money to spend so they buy more shit, more people get hired to service demand, and those people then go and spend more money, which then necessitates the need for more workers etc etc etc.

Short term pain and long term effect. You need the short term pain to achieve the long term effect.

>>509302991
>>509303616

Let me try again, since you are slow.
Together federal, state and local laws , taxes and regulations takes a high end CPA to comply.
Fck this shit.
Even if I TRIPLE myself I won't able to do everything myself while complying with 150 different laws and regulations.
While bank is charging me 4% of revenue .
While Google ads are $1-$4/ click and half of them are fake pajeets from India clicking ads.
While if I want to sell american product my cost is 65%-80%.

All of the above makes anybody UNABLE to run a business.
The only ways out:
>You are already rich
>You have a large family /friends who help you
>You say fck it I am going to sell chinese crap

>>509303616
>>The first thing that would happen is you would go out of business because no one could afford to buy anything.
Pic related, credit card debt exploded , people are living off credit cards now.
Before going bankrupt.
Because people cannot make ends meet, as US gov run hidden inflation made prices so high that you cannot make ends meet even with 2 salaries.

>>509303854
>as US gov run hidden inflation made prices so high
>hidden inflation is 10% for the last 25 years
>due to FED bank printing trillions.

>>509294504 (OP)
I was cursed with a 132 IQ so I have to be aware of how fucking stupid you nigger brains are. The "rich" possess the means to move away from taxes so of course the burden always falls on the middle and lower classes. I hate you communism NIGGERS with every cell in my body.

>>509294577
Cope meme flaggot, I make 250k+ a year and know I will never be rich rich, but I live a very comfortable life that allows me to mog little peasants like you who cope nonstop that its either be poor or be billionaire no in between

>>509303766
You don't need a CPA. You can do it yourself and have one check your work. They are paid by the hour so you want to limit their billing time. But whatever. I hear what your saying but I suppose the communication failure comes from the fact that I don't understand why you are telling me this. What does this have to do with taxing the rich? Why are you telling me this?

>>509303854
For that graph to be relevant I would first have to know historic credit card limits, rates and average use.
>Pic related, credit card debt exploded , people are living off credit cards now.
This graph isn't actually showing that. What it is showing is that people carry a $1000 balance on their credit cards. Do you think that is a lot of money $1000? Do you think you can live off of that?

>>509304756
This.

>>509294504 (OP)
tax the rich is code for eliminate the middle class

>>509294504 (OP)
he's a genius
he's saying tax the rich whites but in reality it's gonna be the jews

>>509305220
Idiot.
Both of my small businesses (SMALL. FCKING . BUSINESSES) are forced to file quarterly taxes.
And both are required to pay taxes MONTHLY.
Just by volume of required PAPERWORK I need a CPA.

It has been done ON PURPOSE , so that regular small businesses who aren't owned by oligarchs or the rich
WOULD NEVER MAKE IT.

>>509294504 (OP)
All the “rich” are usaids kikes who are right wing for zionism

>>509295304
says the sexless, hugless loser who's crying himself to sleep coz no girl touches his pee pee.

>>509306048
You don't pay federal taxes monthly. You pay them quarterly, and that is dependent on how you CHOOSE to be taxed. But again I'd have to ask you, why are you telling me this?

>>509306659
Idiot.
Small busniesses have been destroyed by fed and local gov and regulations.

I have to have a high end CPA for 2 small businesses to file taxes.
I am forced to file quarterly taxes for 2 SMALL . FCKING . BUSINESSES.
>not medium
>not large
I am forced to pay taxes monthly - both federal and state / local.

FCK this SHIT.

Gov fed taxes filed by CPA and here:
https://www.eftps.gov/eftps/

I closed my warehouse because fck you gov parasites. Fck you. ALL.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because it's a political system for losers that are dependent on someone else's success.
And since rich people are pulling this guy's strings, who do you think is actually paying taxes for free shit for retards?
Universal suffrage is the most retarded government concept ever.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because he's only half right. Tax the rich AND slash benefits.

>>509306966
>Small busniesses have been destroyed by fed and local gov and regulations.
This is what you are trying to tell me? What does that have to do with tax le riche?

>I am forced to file quarterly taxes for 2 SMALL . FCKING . BUSINESSES.
That's because you chose that. What was your tax election? Do you even know your tax election?

>I am forced to pay taxes monthly - both federal and state / local.
You don't pay federal taxes monthly unless you fucked up, got caught and are paying back taxes in addition to your quarterly filing.

>I closed my warehouse because fck you gov parasites. Fck you. ALL.
I don't work for the government. I just see what they are doing.

>>509294504 (OP)
>Why does this make rightoid boot lickers seethe so much?
Because everyone with a brain knows when commies say "tax the rich" they mean "tax everyone productive and eliminate freedom" This street-shitter even claims his goal is to "seize the means of production"

>>509294504 (OP)
Because I'm rich

>>509307697
>>I am forced to file quarterly taxes for 2 SMALL . FCKING . BUSINESSES.
>That's because you chose that. What was your tax election? Do you even know your tax election?


UNLESS you are a Single member LLC ,
where you can pass all your company gains onto yourself and then file tax return yearly.

If you aren't a single member LLC, you have employees , you are a partnership , a corporation etc.
Even if you have 1 employee.
Even if you have 2 partners .
And if you run an ok revenue (don't remember the $ amount).
You are forced by IRS to file quarterly returns.

And often based on revenue you are forced by the gov to pay monthly taxes.
You don't choose. You are FORCED by the IRS.

>>509294504 (OP)
rich socialist wants to tax other rich socialists in jew york city

>>509308691
>And if you run an ok revenue (don't remember the $ amount).
>You are forced by IRS to file quarterly returns.
>And often based on revenue you are forced by the gov to pay monthly taxes

For instance. You may do $750K / year in sales, while your cost of goods are $600K even before all expenses.
And you have 1 employee who does shipping for you.
IRS may decide that $750K / year is large enough revenue and FORCE you to file quarterly taxes.

>yet your profit margin may be 20%
>before bank takes 4% off revenue for credit card processing
>etc.
It is completely and utterly retarded and over regulated on purpose.

The US gov should be looking into Banks and Credit Card processors PRICE FIXING for cc processing.

And, US gov should be looking at Google and its monopoly on advertising and PRICE FIXING / price gouging on google ads.

>as both of those bankrupted thousands of small businesses

>>509299609
>Dumb fuck.
>Marginal rates.
No. He is correct, especially when you look at the entire picture of what commie faggots have done to redirect money flow. The Affordable Care Act, for example, doesn't technically apply "taxes" because all the money is collected by insurance companies. But you're required to have insurance and insurance companies are required to cover everyone and aren't allowed to charge more based on risk profile. This means it's just an elaborate method of achieving a thieving communist "from each according to ability, to each according to need" system and the biggest losers are middle-to-upper income Americans.

This happened despite Democrats consistently pushing "we're only taxing the rich" rhetoric.

>>509299609
>37% is 13% less than 1/2 of their earnings.
Mamdani is proposing an additional 2% city tax on top of the federal tax, which will somehow magically provide enough money to fund a free shit paradise that definitely won't have problems with druggies and street criminals and illegal aliens. Oh and Mamdani is also a "defund the police" faggot which is unquestionably an anti-middle-class position.

>>509294504 (OP)

because you don't deserve a handout in this life faggot, get back to digging in the mud.

>>509294504 (OP)
You already do. Despite making up 1% of the population, the top 1% pay nearly half of all taxes. But let me guess, the $560k that the average top 1% taxpayer pays isn't enough. At what point will the government stop punishing success and start reducing spending?

>>509294504 (OP)
I think he's gonna try and tax only whites and it won't work and they'll go bust which only newyorkers care about

>>509294504 (OP)
rich people create jobs.
low taxes attract rich people from all over the world, meaning wealth pours in from all over the world, and this wealth gets spread around to the workers in various ways.

taxation is a slow genocide.

>>509311432
We are taxing the rich more and more. It's inflation skewing the numbers. A billionaire now would only be a multi-millionaire some decades ago.
>>509311628
He'll be out of office with a state funded pension before that happens. Politicians never answer for their retarded policies.
>>509311960
The budget contribution from the rich has demonstrably increased.

>>509311432

>People who own 90% of a nation's wealth pay 40% of the tax share

Are capitalism bootlickers actually this retarded

He is just telling people what they want to hear to get elected.As always none of this will happen and the rich will NEVER pay their fair share in this country...Jews make sure that won't happen...Why do people keep falling for this bullshit when they have been fooled every single time?

>>509312291
>wealth
>income
The top 1% earns 20% of the income and pay 40% of the total taxes. Now answer the question: At what point will the government stop punishing success and start reducing spending? A century ago the US barely needed an income tax and only high income individuals paid it at marginal rates.

>>509312291
>1pbtid
>unable to engage beyond ad hominem
Guess who's retarded now.

>>509294504 (OP)
>Tax the rich

>>509294504 (OP)
Because we all know those taxes get shouldered by the middle class.

>>509315009
i remember marx saying "tax the rich" in das kaptal.

>>509294504 (OP)
>the rich
so the middle class
kill all socialists.

>>509315233
>i remember marx saying "tax the rich" in das kaptal.

>>509315424
yes, its a concrete ideology with an entire worldview and the theory that equips you with the lens to analyze history, sociology, contemporary society, and structures. it is gospel until a better framework to view human social life emerges. seethe more with your jerkoff ideology that challenges nothing other than policy tweaks and wants to allow people to enslave their own neighbors. so much for "anarchy" jfl

>be more successful grade A burger
>already pay significantly more taxes than impossible burgers
Can someone succinctly explain why we should raise taxes on the rich?

>>509315772
>seethe more with your jerkoff ideology

>>509294698
You are though.

>>509304756
You are one divorce or poor investment away from being a homeless crack whore.

>>509294577
Fpbp

>>509294504 (OP)
Why do rich people support communism ?

>>509294504 (OP)
More like:
>Define everybody as rich
>Loot everybody
>????
>Prophet

>>509316886
communism is when [insert failures of the most violently besieged global south socialist project]

>>509297412
>people work just to pay taxes
I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.

>>509317803
Why do communist countries need free trade with capitalist ones to survive?

>>509318594
resource scarcity? why the fuck else would they trade? use your noggin.

>>509317803
>communism is when ...

>>509294577

Every american knows tax increases never stop with the real rich. Also communists like mamadani think everybody who is not poor and on public assistance is rich.

>>509318905
you're doing a great caricature of yourself and every shallow non-marxist contrarian. good one comrade.

>>509318796
So countries should specialize in production of certain goods and services and use free trade to privately plan its distribution. By the logical extension if countries should specialize and trade freely between each other, so should individuals, wherein people specialize and freely trade in a market. A free market of sorts.
Also relevant: did the Soviet Union lack oil or iron?

>>509318796
>resource scarcity?

>>509308691
>>509309572
Motherfucker. You don't pay federal tax monthly. Simple as.

>>509319705
this is just not true, you are thinking of communist leaders

>>509319705
so socialism is when capitalism. got it.

the irony is that this is literally happening right now as we fucking speak. and inside the imperial core aswell. WAKE THE FUCK UP CLEETUS.
the biggest win of the western bourgeoisie is that they successfully convinced the working man that the working class is also the ruling class.

>>509309800
So the affordable care act doesn't applied a new tax, it adds extra cost. TAX and cost are not the same thing.

>>509294698
Wealth is relative. Wealth represents a claim on the goods and services existing in a closed system. Someone with wealth higher than yours has a higher claim on those goods and services than you do. The degree to which another person is wealthier than you represents a greater degree of claim.
You are absolutely poor.
https://eattherichtextformat.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/

>>509315772
>yes, its a concrete ideology with an entire worldview and the theory that equips you with the lens to analyze history, sociology, contemporary society, and structures
Not accurate. Communism equips you with blinders that obscures and interferes with truthful understanding of history, sociology, contemporary society, and structures.
>. it is gospel until a better framework to view human social life emerges. seethe more with your jerkoff ideology that challenges nothing other than policy tweaks and wants to allow people to enslave their own neighbors. so much for "anarchy" jfl
Communism precludes the possibility of any other better framework being discovered. It's one of the most severe, deepest flaws with communism and one of the main reason why communist systems inevitably devolve into horrific atrocities.
Also:
>yes, its a concrete ideology with an entire worldview
It's a huge pile of elaborate pseudo-intellectual brainwashing that essentially boils down to excusing systemic theft from productive people to provide for worthless losers and assorted scum of the earth.
>>509318796
Yeah exactly. The fundamental premise of communism is to be a parasite on capitalism. Everything else is just a way to trick people into handing over political power for empty promises.

>>509320195
>wealth represents a claim on the goods and services existing in a closed system
>proceeds to show off money in the stock market
Do you not have an ounce of self-awareness? What good or service is an Amazon share a claim to?

>>509320026
>TAX and cost are not the same thing.
totally irrelevant to the substantial point, that commies always find a way to fuck over the middle class. It's the top and bottom against the middle.

>>509294504 (OP)
>>509294577

>Spend all day seething about other people having more than you, or you're a bootlicker
>See giving corrupt politicians even more money as a solution to all the worlds ills, or you're a bootlicker
>Support people who see whiteness and white people as the world's biggest problem, or your a bootlicker

>>509294626
>If I mention kikes, these low IQ right wingers will immediately fall for my retarded bullshit

>>509295967
He literally talks about "white neighbourhoods" needing to pay more property tax.
>B-but that's just a way of going after jews, fellow white man
Fuck off, you transparent negative IQ materialist fuckwit.
This whole threads reeks of some poorly orchestrated discord bullshit from some unwashed faggots who think reading Das Kapital qualifies as an education. The funny thing is that billionaires are mostly awful and disgusting, but your motives for opposing them are wrong and your "solution" is just more anti-white bullshit.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because the same people who want this also want programs that require more taxes, and thus it's not "tax the rich" so much as "tax all of us for something you likely won't be eligible for or even want."

>>509320459
An amazon share is a claim to the service that amazon provides.

>>509320360
marxism is a scientific process and a legitimate sociological theory you fucking moron. it is not vibes and opinions. it is not a policy you vote for. actually engage with the theory before dismissing it entirely. and your criticism is a vague moralist smear without actual substance or dialectical reasoning. if you have a better framework than dialectical and historical materialism to study human nature and sociology then go ahead. by any means write the book i swear i will read it.

"the fundamental premise of communism" is in itself nonsense statement because communism isn't a policy tweak, or a political movement. it is a stage in society. a classless moneyless stateless society. which is inevitable by the way. may our descendants find this thread 500 years later and laugh at the dark age peasant discourse.

>>509294504 (OP)
this man gains 101% support on this board if the double digit iq niggers realized when they put white in the headlines, they really mean jew

>>509294504 (OP)
>Whites build up their family wealth over time
>Tax the rich = tax the whites.

>>509294577
This was true once. Not any more.

>>509294577
Ya...

>>509320464
Communists fuck innovation because the individual is not entitled to the wealth generated by his ideas. The only way for a member of the middle or lower classes to become rich is to develop new ideas and processes. Communism kills this ability.

>>509294504 (OP)
What will happen when all the rich people leave NYC?

>>509321037

anybody who thinks classless societies are possible is delusional. Socialism / Communism exchanges private wealth and privilege for government wealth.

>>509294923
Shut up, kike

>>509321316

I think mamadi has already addressed this with proposals to tax people who do business in NYC but dont live there.

>>509294504 (OP)
Why are there so many marxists and communists (same thing really) on /pol/ these days? Is being a contrarian faggot really a good look for anons or is raiding increasing from "other" sites?

>>509321420
And when businesses start to leave NYC? They did the same thing in California.

>>509321487
leave that is.

>>509295384
>only jews can be rich
maybe that jeet who debated the spic yesterday was right in that kikes are the master race if they can attain all the money, power and despite being a fraction of the world's population control everything?

>>509321323
This. Any society is marked by exceptional individuals who are able to amass more resources than their peers. Having more stuff is the basis of class.

>>509321037
>marxism is a scientific process and a legitimate sociological theory
No, it isn't.

>>509321420
Persons conducting businesses in nyc are already subject to tax on income earned in nyc.

>>509320945
So I just have to link my amazon share to my profile and I'll get its market price in my account?
Also no, the correct answer is that a share is supposed to be a claim to the dividends and a say in corporate governance. Now obviously that no longer applies and the whole logic falls through because value is subjective and a share nowadays just entitles you to sell it in a market. The hypocrisy comes from defining wealth a claim and then proceeding to count speculative assets (stock shares) as part of the wealth of Jeff Bezos.
>>509321037
You left me on read.

>>509296940
And that would get absorbed into paying the debt. You could take every single cent of the billionaires in the US and you could pay off the interest on borrowing for a year or 2. That money has then gone, the following years you still pay interest on the borrowing. Then maybe you start to move down the scale to millionaires, you do the same and get the same result. This is basically how communism works, the gove take s the incomes of everyone and everyone then relies on the gov, there is no private business everything is controlled by the gov. You also then dont get elections because - hey it's only a gov that controls everything so no need for opposing views or ways to do things.

>>509321769
disprove it. or shut up. that's how the scientific process works. unless there is a better theory directly contradicting marxism, rooted in empirical evidence and dialectical reasoning, it is the most complete theory yet.

>>509322059
>disprove it. or shut up. that's how the scientific process works.
The scientific process actually says
>PROVE IT or shut up

>>509319992
>this is literally happening right now as we fucking speak

>>509294504 (OP)
It doesn’t, it’s just we know how this ends. Same thing that happened with corporations moving operations overseas to avoid labor unions. The truly rich and powerful never lose.

>>509321037
>[communism] is a stage in society.
Wrong. It's a impossible utopian ideal that can never exist (at scale. Small scale communism can sort-of exist, Marx called this "crude communism" and isn't the global utopia). This means that in the real world, being a "communist" means believing in taking steps toward achieving this impossible utopian ideal. Nothing about the ideal itself is relevant, except insofar as it influences the behavior of the communist in the real world, which is inevitably disastrous.
>which is inevitable by the way
Marx believed this and was resoundingly proved wrong by the actual course of history. He predicted the workers would revolt and overthrow the owners. But they didn't. All they wanted was reforms- fair wages and reasonable working conditions. This happened because Capitalism is not an all-encompassing ideology. It's just an economic system and can merge with other religions and theories of government to suit individual societies. So after liberal capitalist societies yielded great wealth and happiness, 20th century Marxists had to figure out new ways to manipulate people into believing they were oppressed victims in order get revolutionary recruits.

>>509319526
>>509321914
my bad, didn't see your reply.

but how is this a denunciation of socialist statehood? there is still production and markets in socialism (and by socialism i mean the dictatorship of the proletariat, the stage in society after the revolution and before the eventual dismantling of the state after achieving communism), just that the means of production is owned by the workers, not a private company. people work for the good of the community and per the need of the people, and don't overproduce goods just to keep profit margins intact. which is a much more ecologically viable, efficient and ethical model.

yes, the ussr had a lot of resources, and they traded mostly with other socialist states, to create a horizontal development model to challenge the imperial core, not to make profit. they only traded in significant amounts with non socialist states (namely nazi germany) during WW2, when both the states where sanctioned by the allies and the ussr was looking to industrialize and strengthen the economy and the state before the inevitable war so that they could protect the revolution. otherwise they were working towards self reliance since the beginning.

your question lacks quality.

>>509294504 (OP)
It's antisemitic. rightoid mutts are trained by the TV to value jew lives above their own.

>>509322152
yeah a nonsense theory is co-opted by thinkers throughout the ages and is built upon for 160 years. great one bro. i'm urging you to atleast look up what marx was spitting before you dismiss it.

>>509294504 (OP)
define "rich"
I make 80k/yr. That's not that much, but it is double the media national average of about 40k/yr.
Am I going to pay even more for tyrone and achmed?

>>509321914
>Also no, the correct answer is that a share is supposed to be a claim to the dividends and a say in corporate governance.
Dumb fuck. What are dividends?

>>509294504 (OP)
"tax the rich" is a trap to keep you poor
it sounds good to a retard with 0 ambition.
let's say you're not a subhuman, and you make a play to actually climb out of hell, through the stock market
whoops the libs are "taxing the rich" and want your unrealized capital gains taxes, which you can't pay without selling your stock.
meanwhile the rich easily dodge all the taxes with lawyers and loopholes and still pay nothing.

>>509322727
how the fuck are u gonna say i'm wrong dawg that literally is the definition.

communism is possible. read "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" by Friedrich Engels. here he outlines how "human nature" is shaped by the ideals of the time.

it has been like 100 years since the first socialist state, which existed within a very strong capitalist hegemony and was illegally dissolved by a libtard. have some patience comrade. we will get there.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because forced redistribution is unethical.

>>509322994
>define "rich"
Not 80k.
This is the fucking problem with mutts voting. People who make 80k think they're the 1%.

>>509294504 (OP)
Tax the Rich = Punish successful white men

>>509294504 (OP)
Because it looks at the wrong issue, the issue is NON-WHITES and anything that isn't KILLING THE JEWS AND DEPORTING THE NON-WHITES is not a solution.

Taxing White people more to pay for nonwhites is NOT a solution, in fact it is an anti-solution

>>509295519
You seem upset, shiteater.

>>509294504 (OP)
I would of course support appropriating all the stolen property that NON-WHITES have in White countries, something they should have never even had and wouldnt have if the kikes didnt slither in and allow non-whites in.

But that isnt what the policy is about though.
Its about giving even more White money to non-whites. The jews will be somehow shielded from this having their fortunes in tax havens somewhere in israeli banks where the taxman can't touch it.

NON-WHITES DO NOT BELONG IN WHITE COUNTRIES, AND CERTAINLY EVEN MORE GIBS TO NON-WHITES IS NOT A FUCKING SOLUTION TO MAKING THEM LEAVE

>>509322788
>there is still production and markets in socialism
>overproduce goods just to keep profit margins intact.
>yes, the ussr had a lot of resources, and they traded mostly with other socialist states, to create a horizontal development model to challenge the imperial core, not to make profit.

How is it possible to keep profit margins intact if there is no profit?

All the rich people will be moving to Florida. Florida might be full of bugs, hurricanes, random weather in general and there’s so much humidity all the building are covered in mold. But rich people will totally move there if he taxes them.

>>509322994
>Am I going to pay even more for tyrone and achmed?
Yes.

>>509321323
>>509321680
class is an assemblage created by material scarcity. a classless society can exist within a world without material scarcity, which is today. we have enough resources to feed house and clothe everyone. of course it will take time to achieve communism because of the western liberal/colonial cultural coding that taught people that humans are fundamentally evil. but once there is global socialism, global communism isnt going to be so far away.

history isnt driven by great ideas or exceptional people. that is liberal mythos. history is driven by class contradictions. people fighting to consolidate their class power. workers fight to survive, the owners fight to keep their status alive. that is how society has been moving, from a sociological point of view.

"the ideas of the ruling class are the ruling ideas"

>>509322059
There's no empirical evidence supporting any of Marx's theories. To the extent that Marx or his followers ever produced any testable theories, they have been refuted by evidence. But Marx frequently relied on equivocation, rhetoric, and "dialectic" to manipulate people without ever having to establish concrete positions.

Indeed, the most substantial "innovation" to academic Marxism during the 20th century was the integration of Postmodernism, which is explicitly anti-reason and anti-science. The whole point of postmodernism is to completely ruin the use of language as a way to describe truth, which is the very foundation of scientific philosophy.

>>509294504 (OP)
Rightoids all think they're on the brink of becoming billionaires. It's pathetic.

>>509323157
>Not 80k.
Someone making 80k is probably a net contributor and therefore isn't going to benefit from most commie programs.

It doesn't make my life better in any conceivable way.

>>509323381
can u even read? i was critiquing capitalist production model. overproduction is innate to capitalism, and that contradiction is resolved by a socialist production model.

let's say there is a demand for 5000 shirts. but, when u make 10000 shirts instead of 5000 shirts, it will take u less money per shirt, so when u sell those 10000 shirts on the market, you can grab better profits because the baseline cost is lower and u can also compete with others by pricing your shirts at a more competitive price. the overproduced goods essentially compensate for lost value aswell, since you are selling for much better margins. this is a very simplified view of course, i urge you to read Marx's Capital, where he explains this contradiction and many other contradictions of capitalism in intimate detail. its very theory heavy but u can knock it off in a few weeks if you seriously read it.

that is what i was criticizing, not socialist mode of production.

>>509294504 (OP)
It doesn't, shitskin. Right wingers won't vote for him because he is literally antiwhite. Its not complicated, now go fuck yourself.

>>509294504 (OP)
"Tax the rich" means doing exactly that; "tax the white rich" is nascent reverse racism on the slow boil, exactly as a kike would use it.

>>509295304
You really flushed out the poos with this one

>>509323690
yes there is. the fuck? how are you going to ignore scandinavian prison experiments? marx's theory correctly proved how rehabilitative justice reduces crime and re-offense. that is just a very simple one regarding human nature.

here is a real paper that discusses the empirical evidence regarding one of marx's labor theory of value, give it a read:

https://www.academia.edu/2733004/The_empirical_strength_of_the_labour_theory_of_value

>>509317803
How come communism has been attempted dozens of times and it failed every single time and wasn't done correctly, but National Socialism was tried once and it was the best thing that ever happened?

>>509294504 (OP)
Nobody actually right wing has a problem with increases taxes on the 1%. Libertarians are liberals, not right wing.

>>509323690
and i forgot to say this in the initial reply: post-modernism is not a thought based on marxism, it is a metaphysical rejection of modernism, and it is not a complete ideological work like marxism. while many post modernist thinkers were influenced by marxism, you cannot say that post-modernism is marxist.

>>509294504 (OP)
the rich are 99% jews

>>509304756
And yet you support a tax plan that won't help you unless you make 700k+ a year?

>>509323548
>class is an assemblage created by material scarcity.

Yes. As I said having more stuff is the basis of class.

>a classless society can exist within a world without material scarcity
Material scarcity is inherent because materials are finite. The more scarce the material the higher it's VALUE becomes.

>we have enough resources to feed house and clothe everyone.
Obviously we already have organizations dedicated to that. They are called the salvation army and goodwill. We don't need communism for that.

But lets examine the VALUE of the two of the 3 items you described. We'll start with food.

Do you know why caviar is expensive? Because it is scarce. In a communist society can EVERYONE eat caviar?

Do you know why silk is expensive?
Because it is scarce. In a communist society can everyone wear silk clothing?

If no, why not, and who can wear silk clothing and eat caviar?

>>509324344
what the fuck even is national socialism? the suppression of a real revolution with reactionary esoteric explanation of very complicated problems? that lasted 12 years? kek. and you cannot even say that this one was an imperial erasure because the nazis were the aggressors of the second world war for capital expansion, which is a fundamental contradiction of capitalism, which is what "national socialism" is still ultimately based on.

and socialism did not fail one bit. it was violently removed and repressed by the imperialists. SOCIALISM DID NOT FAIL FOR THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE IT FED. it did not fail for Yuri Gagarin, son of a rural Georgian farmer, who was the first man on space. think harder.

>>509320603
If you want to build up society you gotta build up from the bottom. Enriching the poor will increase spending. Increased spending will mean more sales. More sales will mean more money in your pocket. Economies trickle Up. Enrich the Poor, Enrich Yourself.

>>509323990
I make 360k. I also don't want White children to starve.

>>509324945
National Socialism didn't "fail" either, by that definition. It was violently removed and repressed by world Jewry. Following your logic.

>>509294504 (OP)
He himself is rich and has never not been rich. The people that started and paid for his campaign are rich. The people that overwhelmingly voted for him are rich.

Because often times "tax the rich" wnds up becoming "tax the poor and middle class"

>>509324834
scarcity for the most part is a capitalist creation meant to artificially drive up prices for better profit margins. and also, you don't need caviar to feed a starving man. you can clothe a man in cotton. with today's technological advancement, production has accelerated so much that nobody has to die hungry or sleep on grass due to scarcity. that is a fact.

and tell me why exactly diamonds are expensive when we can literally synthesize them in a lab? why have a few companies monopolized that industry and kept up the artificial scarcity?

and how many of those "organizations" challenge the capital that keeps those goods behind a paywall to create artificial scarcity and prevent it to going to those in need? how much problems have those "humanitarian" organizations solved? did they get rid of overproduction that is doing ecological carnage? is it battling capital's need for infinite expansion on a finite globe? what problem exactly is it solving?
those are just state apparatuses to further imperial goals of the global north. you know it, i know it. let's not pretend that the UN feeds people.

>>509324648
Then tax them till they are forced to chase coins down the street for the people's amusement

>>509324945
National Socialism is the real revolution, lmao.
It literally took the elite down and brought power back to the people.
Communism is a branch of the tree of globalist elitism.
>lasted 12 years
Because of war. Terrible argument. It would have lasted an eternity if you servants of the bankers didn't assault them.
Meanwhile communism collapses every nation itself that tries it, without any foreign invasion needed.
>because the nazis were the aggressors
Are you dumb? No they weren't. You jew servants were.
>which is what "national socialism" is still ultimately based on
It was anti-capitalist, and actually functional.
>and socialism did not fail one bit. it was violently removed and repressed by the imperialists
Holy fucking cope, literally failed by the blunders of communists themselves in every single communist country. Because it doesn't work.
>SOCIALISM DID NOT FAIL FOR THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE IT FED
Literally 60 million slavs dead from famines because of communism. Not a good look, mutt.
>think harder
You should try thinking at all for the first time in your life.

>>509322788
I proposed a logical argument and you didn't respond.
>how is this a denunciation of socialist statehood?
It's not. You can still identify as a socialist. But you are effectively a halfway capitalist.
>>509322951
>science requires proof first
>but muh authority
How is this a reply. You said that the scientific method requires you to disprove socialism. I said that it does the opposite. You defaulted to an appeal to tradition. Pathetic.
>>509323087
>What are dividends?
A claim to the share of the profits. It's not a claim to a service by Amazon Inc. And in your rage, you troglodyte failed to address the point I made two times already. Let me make it three:
You cannot cry about Jeff Bezos' wealth in stocks if you consider wealth to be a claim to a concrete good or service.
>>509324256
Phonefags do not belong on 4chan.

>>509325226
i literally answered your question already. germans were the one that waged the damn war. and the war was waged to consolidate the german bourgeoisie through capital expansion. thats why their state failed. it was them to blame. learn how to read.

>>509325478
>often
Literally always. Rich people can evade any taxes.

>>509324020
>overproduction is innate to capitalism, and that contradiction is resolved by a socialist production model.
Over production is waste. Waste is capital loss. Overproduction may have been innate in 1850 but now overproduction is managed by market data.
Today you will only produce as many shirts asyou sold in the previous year. If you are just starting you would gather data on your competitors and probably produce 1/2 as many shirts as they had sold the previous year. This is why over production as a concept is obsolete. Big data. It works.

>>509324327
LTV is bullshit. It makes no sense that the value of something depends of the socially necessary labour to produce it. With the current technology we could produce something useless that nobody would use, the value of that commodity depends on its demand and not on the material costs to produce it.

>>509325632
The war was caused by jewish capitalists and jewish communists.
There was no bourgeoise in Nazi Germany, retard. They literally ended social classes and made every German equal with socialism. Thats why there was a conspiracy and assassination attempt on Hitler by monarchists, they wanted to bring back the bourgeoise class. Fucking hell commies are mentally retarded, its like talking to an animal.

>>509325535
how the fuck do you expect me to take you seriously when you say nazism wasnt based on capitalism kek. learn your own ideology. fascism is the pressure valve of capitalism, a reaction meant to lead the masses away from a real proletarian uprising. there is a reason why they killed communists and kept the capitalists within state power.

>>509299465
The professional middle class that the right deluded itself into thinking are the elites chose him, the ACTUAL rich still backed Cuomo.

>>509294504 (OP)
I'm rightwing but not seething at all.
I think it's funny and hope this guy wins.
Fuck NYC and fuck anyone who still lives there.
>Tax the ruch!
The rich will just move, as will any sensible middleclass person with a decent job who wants to live in a decent society.
So, no, I don't "fear socialism" or whatever nonsensical buzzwords people like you think in.
This guy's policies will directly harm the exact sort of people I want to see harmed: underclass slugs and brainwashed white leftists who are too stubborn to admit they were wrong.
Crime will go up even more and more white college kids and professors will get assaulted on the subway.
Good. They can keep doing whataboutisms and "at least he's not a republican" copes all the way down as their "beautiful" city falls apart. Serves them right.

His mommy is a Hollywood bigshot, by the way.
Like every other leftist superstar, he's fake all the way down.
Hope he wins.
Hope he drags the city down to hell.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because they're subservient weak cucks who have been brainwashed to be wilfully fucked over be establishment elites. Redistribution of a sliver of wealth from billionaires, to elevate people who genuinely need it (or even help lower crime/imprison undesirables) is not a negative. Boiling frogs who can see they're being boiled and can feel the temperature is rising but they're too afraid to admit their ideology is wrong and that those with unassailable wealth want poor people to pay more and have less.

>>509325715
>increase taxes on the rich
>the rich don't pay
>increase taxes on the 99%
And you still aren't looking at the government.
>>509325926
Based and accelerationist pilled. Let them suffer.

>>509294504 (OP)
Because there is no American National spirit besides "Fuck you, I got mine". It's a Kikes paradise

>>509294504 (OP)
He looks like Andy Warski

>>509325847
>you need to learn your own ideology because your opinions don’t match up with what my ideology says about it
This is why nobody takes you seriously.

>>509325836
oh there was no bourgeoisie? what to you refer to the owners and shareholders of BMW, Allianz, Astrawerke, Lufthansa, Carl Zeiss, Deutsche Bank, Bayer, and many other corporations? are they the proletariat?? or are you gonna literally lie say it was fucking state owned lmfaoo

>>509324327
>how are you going to ignore scandinavian prison experiments
Because those experiments test no falsifiable claims ever made by Marx.

>>509326120
disprove it. disprove that "national socialism" was based on capitalism. go ahead. deny history.

>>509294504 (OP)
I just hate jeets and think he's a fake communist which pisses me off. He's not going to actually do anything to help the workers and true working class, just more gibs for niggers and third world bullshit.

>>509294998
>Aren’t you taxed 70% in Denmark + 25% by the EU?
You made me google their tax system. It's actually a really good one. They get taxed like 30% (about what fed and state taxes are), and it goes up to 60% for every currency unit above 2.5 mil. Basically you can be a millionaire and pay the same tax rate as anyone else, and if you make more than a million, every dollar you make above the threshold gets taxed at a higher rate. Their entire income does not get taxed at 60%. You can still be rich as fuck and pay fairly low taxes.

>>509326233
"It is not the consciousness of men that determines their being, but, on the contrary, their social being that determines their consciousness" - Marx, nearly 200 years ago

it is one of the base concepts of marxist thought.

>>509325632
>that's just Communist war propaganda and completely distinct from the German reality.

>>509294504 (OP)
On the contrary. Durkadurka MahammadDalit should be elected. New York can serve as the testing grounds/example to show all you dummies that your dumb idealistic commie garbage only destroys.
Let New York be destroyed by you foreigners and treasonous who hate America.
There should be safeguards in place to take it back and put sane Americans in charge of the place after you are allowed to ruin it.
Then, everyone will see and your dumb, childish ideologies will be seen for what they are. You people won't even be able to convince the retarded, sheltered, compassionate rich college kids to fight on your behalf after this.
Lmao.

>>509324945
>SOCIALISM DID NOT FAIL FOR THE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE IT FED
kek
if you ignore all the dead people who starved for no reason other than socialists being retarded assholes following an ideology created by a third-rate pseud, Socialism is great!

>>509326470
I meant to quote
>the war was waged to consolidate the german bourgeoisie

>>509326255
>please use my delusional ideology to argue against what my ideology concluded
No.
>deny history
Historical materialism failed with the Soviet Union. The theory is wrong. All you’re doing now is holding onto the strings of the past hoping for a future that will never be. Sucks to suck.

>>509295698
Because its small. And white only.

>>509326470
ok buddy. keep lying to yourself. moralist black and white hero vs villain nonsense is way easier to understand than actual history. but ask yourself, does your "ideology" challenge the existing power structure, or only seek to rigidify it? does it ask to dismantle the hegemony, or keep the same class in power?

>>509326704
how the fuck did historical materialism fail within 1 lifetime living within an imperially besieged state in paranoia? polish your thoughts.

>>509326754
>does your "ideology" challenge the existing power structure
Yes. More than yours (even though I will admit yours also does to a lesser extend)

>>509299482
This is what most are too dumb to think through.

>>509326399
In other words: vague, binary-brained pseudo-intellectual garbage.

Just needs to be a tax on things that produce money just by existing, and then no taxes at all on people who produce money by working.

>>509326976
how so? how does it challenge the current class structure? it literally kept it alive in nazi germany and fascist italy. the entire premise of national syndicalism is to consolidate both classes with force. there were still distinct classes. the means of productions were still privately owned.

>>509323690
Most importantly, Marx is jewish.

You should never argue with jews, but kill them.

>>509327105
which was proven correct.

people don't innately shape their environments, they are shaped by their environment which produce their choices and actions. there, less semantic.

>>509327119
The whole point is that you are a non-white parasite who wants to live in a White country.
Any ideology that doesnt start with removing the non-white parasites from our lands is a non-starter.

>>509325480
>scarcity for the most part is a capitalist creation meant to artificially drive up prices for better profit margins.

Scarcity is dictated by availability. Hence silk and caviar. The rest of your claim is conspiratorial commie drivel.

>and also, you don't need caviar to feed a starving man. you can clothe a man in cotton.
Obviously but that isn't the point. The question was in a communist society who is it that gets to wear silk and eat caviar? What is the answer to this question?

>and tell me why exactly diamonds are expensive when we can literally synthesize them in a lab? why have a few companies monopolized that industry and kept up the artificial scarcity?
Diamonds that ARE not synthesized in a lab are more expensive than those that are because of the scarcity of naturally occurring diamonds. It is not that manmade diamonds are unavailable for sale it is that they are significantly cheaper because a 300 year process has been compressed into a time span of 3 hours.

>and how many of those "organizations" challenge the capital that keeps those goods behind a paywall to create artificial scarcity and prevent it to going to those in need? how much problems have those "humanitarian" organizations solved? did they get rid of overproduction that is doing ecological carnage? is it battling capital's need for infinite expansion on a finite globe? what problem exactly is it solving?
Those organizations literally depend on the public's will. It the public wants to donate food and clothing to help others in need there is already a mechanism in place to facilitate that outcome. We do not need state mandates to implement this. The problem is no one wants to help because no one gives a fuck. So this means that the state should force them?

But skip that question and answer this one, in a communist society who is it that gets to wear silk and eat caviar? What is the answer to this question?

>>509325478
poor aren't necessarily taxed they just have to suffer the consequences of the asinine feel-good libtard white woman social policies like letting criminal predators roam free in their neighborhoods.

>>509327119
All you want to do is live in White countries and take the property of rich gentiles to jewish ownership, that's exactly what happened in USSR.

Why the fuck do you even care what White people do in our countries, why aren't you pushing for communism or whatever in your own brown country?

Oh because that's right, you want to keep living in a White country and leeching off of it.
You don't want to go home to live with your own kind.
That is why you are trying to push for jewish internationalist bullshit so you'd be allowed to stay in White countries.

>>509327262
yeah, this again. your ideology starts with the premise of a mythical enemy, while simultaneously looking away from the real enemy (the ruling class). that alone should irk you off if you had one ounce of critical thought.

and about the "white" and "non-white" binaries you used, how do you define "white people"?

>>509326754
>does it ask to dismantle the hegemony, or keep the same class in power

I have no issues with the ruling class, I am happy they can enjoy the fruits of their endeavors, now the immigrant foreigner class and their enablers I have severe issues with.

It is considered rude in almost any nation to be invited in then immediately demand the host nation deconstruct their culture and systems so that yours more easily fits in. You commies are asking people that have no issues with the current system to vote against their own interests and that is why I dislike your ilk.

>>509326924
>Soviet union did not bring about transition from socialism to communism and miserably failed in the process
>failed so hard it ceased to exist
>uhhhhh how could historical materialism have failed
The Soviet Union literally controlled half the planet and provided material aid to revolutionaries around the rest of the planet for almost its entire existence. To call it a “imperially besieged state” is laughable. Put down the theory and read actual history.

>>509327119
Your lens of seeing EVERYTHING through class and desperately trying to fit everything in that frame makes you miss a large chunk of reality. But that's because you're a materialist. You wouldn't f.e. care if your people died out because that supersedes materialism. It's a literal suicidal death cult and ironically very individualistic, just like libertarianism. You people are essentially the same in that way. You sell out your tribe for your own financial benefit.

>>509294504 (OP)
Why would you WANT to give something as evil as government money?

>>509327497
mmmm lick that boot more. good boy.

>>509325847
Nazism was race based socialism. The word Nazi is literally an amalgamation of the true name of the Nazi party which was the National SOCIALIST Party.

>>509327241
And just as expected, a shitskinned parasitic kike is lying about the real solution to it all that is national socialism
>>509324945
>>509325632

You talk about bringing power back to the people and removing parasites but national socialism isnt suddenly okay and you start lying through your teeth. Pretending as if national socialism "failed" and not got destroyed by the entire world jewry attacking it.

You are not White, yet you want to stay in a White country.
This is why your arguments are worthless.
You start from a position that is untenable.
You do NOT belong in a White country.

Worry about your own kind, and go push communism to your own lands, dont give a fuck about that.
Just stay the FUCK out of WHITE countries, and take your JEWS with you

>>509327567
yes communists are fundamentally anti hierarchical and anarchist in ideal practice. you got that one right. but before you actually prove the existence of divine power, i'm sorry but i'm going to go with the material explanation of the world.

>>509327459
>how do you define "white people"
Like it has always been defined. 100% European.

You kikes always play fucking dumb. You know damn well that you are living in a country not built by your ancestors, yet you want to stay in it.

Its not a "mythical" enemy either like you fucking pilpul, its real shitskinned animals shitting on our streets, thieving stealing raping murdering

LET ME ASK YOU THIS:
WHY ARE YOU NOT HOME WITH YOUR OWN KIND?
WHY ARE YOU NOT PUSHING YOUR NONSENSE IN YOUR OWN BROWN COUNTRY?

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO IN OUR HOMES, ITS NOT YOUR HOME, WHY YOU CARE?

>>509327636
yeah and i will call myself a 200cm gigachad and grow 15cm overnight. good one.
nazis that kept the capitalist class alive by rigidifying hierarchies and did not work towards communism but killed communists are socialists? laughable.

>>509327612
As a white, christian, male, I’d say I’m doing rather well in this nation that my forefathers built and conquered. You’ll just have to pardon my inability to apologize for our success.

>>509327731
Why are you not living home with your own kind?
Why not build your own civilization?
You need Whites to do all the labor?
Interestingly, none of you shitskinned commies ever think about being the one swinging the pickaxe in the mines in this "worker's paradise"
You probably already have a occupation in mind as some sort of overseer or parasite in the "workers paradise", certainly not the one who does all the labor

>>509326131
Try googling the history of volkswagon "The 'PEOPLES' car.

>>509327731
How’s that supposed to work when we’re not equal?

>>509294504 (OP)
Because he is a paki-jeet-jew propped up by a Jew-rican and they both come from obscene wealth. I know you'll never address this, but I don't care, because I'll say it every time and watch your obvious shill network circlejerk scatter like roaches like has happened in every other thread of this.

>>509327859
Whats laughable is that national socialism is the only way you can make socialism work and commies hate it more than anything else.

they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires and so don't want such things saddling them when they will surely make it big eventually and be impinged upon thereby

>>509327843
i am in my own country, my people are native to the land. thank you very much. and yes i am in a cadre at my university, so i am pushing it here too. i detest white imperialism because it literally affects me. maybe ask your landlords to stop bombing and sanctioning our countries when they try to install socialist governments?

and again, how do u even define 100% european? europe itself is a very vague concept. is a euro-indian mutt with blue eyes and brown hair with olive skin still white? are persians with lighter skins than italians white? are north africans with lighter hair than greeks whites? your concepts don't even have an objective definition. because you wouldnt know the "race" of the person without doing a complete background check. dumbass.

>>509327731
To be "fundamentally anti hierarchical" is to deny the reality of human nature and nature itself.

>>509327971
>You probably already have a occupation in mind as some sort of overseer or parasite in the "workers paradise", certainly not the one who does all the labor
that's based as shit though, imagine reading all these silly ideological books just to gain political power in the near future

>>509294504 (OP)
>In America, everyone can succeed!
>If you're successful we'll fuck you in the ass!

Die in a fire.

>>509327731
>material interpretation
>humans are empirically unequal

>>509327459
>your ideology starts with the premise of a mythical enemy
No, migrants who don't share our culture, heritage or values and who actively seek to undermine our governments on the behalf of globalist tyrants are, in fact, the enemy.
>the ruling class
The faction of the ruling class that is my enemy is the faction that's actively seeking to undermine my nation with open borders policies, gibs for illegals, free legal aid for Mexican gangbangers, laundering my taxpayer money into censorship programs and color revolutions, profiting from Communist China's ruthless neo-mercantile manipulation of markets, importing H1B scabs from India to depress wages--

Commies offer no solutions to any of that shit. Even the ONE thing that the Bernie Sanders """Democratic Socialists" used to get right, anti-immigration and border security, they have ceded to the ruling trash globalist. The utopian global communism is a world without borders right?

Where are the white people rabbi

>>509294504 (OP)
Dumb jeet shouldn't have said taxing "whiter" neighborhoods. If he would have left that out he would get more White working class support. Everybody knows jews are the ones that have all the wealth in NYC.

>>509328021
power systems that don't reward social cruelty with more power. humans not being biologically "equal" does not mean there has to be a perpetuation of social violence.

>>509328153
It's very easy to check someone's DNA and give an exact breakdown of his ethnicity. All of it is 100% objective and no amount of muddying the water will change that.

>>509327459
Only fools think commies fight for them against the ruling class. That is the big trick. That is the way they get you retards to hand over all your rights and political capital to tyrants in return for jack shit.

>>509328441
you are literally defining fascism lol. i know my ideology, i know what i fight for. the only disillusioned dumbasses are the reactionaries who think billionaires will make them richer and the jews breed brown people in a lab to replace them.

>>509328204
>being a parasitic jew is based
yeah all of you nonwhites literally think like this
how the fuck do you think we know that we need to get you parasitic shits the fuck out of our countries

>>509294504 (OP)
White right wingers support Mamdani. Just look at his voter share. He won all the pro-Trump districts and highly educated, high income white votes.

It's the Jews like Bill Ackman paying bots and JIDF that are attacking him. Completely astroturfed by God's chosen Demons

>>509328574
>Why are you not living home with your own kind?
>Why not build your own civilization?
>You need Whites to do all the labor?
>Interestingly, none of you shitskinned commies ever think about being the one swinging the pickaxe in the mines in this "worker's paradise"
>You probably already have a occupation in mind as some sort of overseer or parasite in the "workers paradise", certainly not the one who does all the labor
Interestingly you skipped answering this.

>>509327859
As you haven't considered that Nazi Germany was a society at war and needed capitalism as you may perceive it to further their war efforts, and the Nazis killed communists because they were Jews.

>>509294504 (OP)
Taxes are bad. Insane that somebody in favour of higher taxes would call somebody else a bootlicker.

>>509328408
i'm non white. i would pass in spain, greece, italy, and turkey as a local. are spainards greeks turks and italians white or brown?

>>509294998
95% tax rate? Your Jewish Math and other propaganda doesn't work here.

>>509294818
Memeflag = turd worlder

>>509294504 (OP)
Mental illness. Same reason why rural hick types vote for republicans that openly call for medicaid and snap cuts, despite rural communities relying on both heavily

>>509328574
>reactionaries who think billionaires will make them richer
>jews breed brown people in a lab
Ridiculous strawmen. Try to have a serious debate.

>>509328622
White right wingers don't vote in the democrat primary though.

>>509294504 (OP)
I love the seeth this guy generates. Maga-lard billionaire bootlicking water carriers. Are losing their minds over this guy. Even Trump is rushing to the defence of his nigger puppet Adams.

>>509315772
>everything is the material conditions
>no one ever made a decision that’s le heckin great man

>>509328690
Brown.
"Passing" is irrelevant, like I just explained.

>>509328575
and? get fucked you white bitch, get replaced

>>509327459
>how do you define "white people"?

Stfu with that semantics bullshit. You know what is meant by " white ". I know what " white " means. Everyone and their mothers know what people mean when they call something
" white ". And you pretend not to know what " white " means because you are a disingenuous loser.

>>509328821
>you have to pay for tranny surgeries
>also infinite mexicans and LATAM animals
>also no guns lol
Why do you leave these out?

>>509328636
i did answer this. i am home. we had a civilization that got toppled by european capitalist expansion.
funnily enough, if you are to appeal to civilization, your people were herding sheep in the baltics and throwing stones in saxony when my people were doing math and astronomy.
and i am literally in a cadre. the west, again, bombs and sanctions the global south when we try to install socialist governments (korea, vietnam, cuba, china, ussr) because capitalism requires expansion. so maybe that answers your question.

>>509328690
>spainards greeks and italians
White
>turks
Brown

It's not hard.

>>509328851
but you could mistake me for a southern frenchman who you would consider white. what then?

>>509328784
Yes, they do. You have no idea how politics works in blood red or deep blue states. Republicans in Blue State vote for Right Wing Dems/Trump. Like Eric Adams. In Red States, Dems run as RINOs.
Go back to Mexico

>>509329006
Lol

>>509328881
The only thing you nonwhite parasitic scammers will do is destroy countries you infest and make it just like the india or whatever shithole you left because of your laziness and selfishness

And yes the entire world will look like india with shitskinned parasites like you unless the pendulum swings and we kill the jew
After the jew gone its easy to remove the nons from White lands

>>509328953
Why would capitalism require expansion? Expansion for what?

>>509328973
italians weren't "white" in america in the 20s. there was no concept of the "white race" before the 1700s. did your mythical white people spawn 300 years ago?

>>509294626
Correct. Taxation is theft.

>>509321037
It exists on the false premise that labor has value, and from this springs forth every wicked idea that culminates in feeding people who shouldn't be fed.

>>509328904
>tranny tranny tranny!
Fat dumb billionaire bootlicker water carrier detected
Lmao

>>509294504 (OP)
The solution isn't taxing the rich. It's preventing them from getting rich by exploiting us and everything else they cross paths with. They wouldn't be as rich if they had any decent sense of morality, that's for sure, so we have to curtail what they are able to do and give them less wiggle room.

>>509294626
If I was rich and in New York I just wouldn’t pay my taxes anymore if they did this. Fuck Ahmed gon do?

>>509329116
expansion for capital. capitalism is based on the premise of infinite growth. you have to keep growing and making money for your shareholders otherwise you capitulate due to competition that is also growing. that is of course just a simplified take, but it is not that hard to grasp. read marx, he said it in much better detail.

>>509329126
Italians were always "White" They were never excluded or segregated by law.

>>509328953
>we had a civilization that got toppled by european capitalist expansion.
What civilization would that be?
If you are some sort of MENA shitskin its you who destroyed the original civilizations, arabs and jews never had any history of their own.
In fact you have ethnically replaced most of MENA there is very little original people remaining who looks like Assad in the middle-east, while there are no original people at all remaining in north africa. DNA studies show that the modern egyptian has nothing to do with the pharaohs time one, and those egyptians from pharaohs time are extinct

>>509329023
You have no idea how it works nigger. They would have to register as Democrats to vote in the primary and most just aren't going to take the time to do that. This was the primary not the general election you retarded nigger.

>>509329186
labor does have value. what the fuck? what has value then? just consumption? consumption of whom? how does labor not have value when laborers are simultaneously the consumers?

in simple words: how worker buy when worker underpaid? how corpo earn when worker broke and cant buy?

>>509329126
Italians are White, but not all Italians are Italian.

This is due to deposits of poisonous semitic DNA from the Moors and Aghlabids to Southern Italy and especially Sicily.
It is of no coincidence that today there are brown people in Southern Italy, and why various municipalities there are extremely corrupt and unable to sustain themselves, being kept afloat by the Northern Italy where almost everyone is actually Italian, so they are White, productive, and not corrupt.

It is also of no surprise then the "Italian" mafia comes from the region where there are most semitic blood, that is Sicily.
The "Italian" mafia is not Italian, it is semitic.
Hooked noses, black hair and brown eyes are not Italian features.
You can go all the way back to written depictions about Romans and their emperors to confirm this.

There are shitskin invaders today who try to push this "Med" narrative, as if the semitic blood always belonged to Europe.
Of course it did not, it is ridiculous and DNA evidence unequivocally disproves this in addition to all the written accounts, but that doesnt stop the shitskins trying to blend in to Europe just like jews before them have always tried to.

>>509329096
you and your family will all be replaced.

>>509329217
The rich get rich because we give them our money. If you want to stop this stop giving them your money.

>>509329217
That's an impossible task. Like finding the bottom of a bottomless pit. They will always wiggle out of it.

The only solution is the take all the wealth away after every 50 years and start the system over again. It's called a Jubilee, and it's the only thing that can solve wickedness in economics.

It's so obvious, but I have to keep going around saying it because you all are distracted by endless jewry, but here I am. Every day. Jubilee. On deaf ears. The "Smart guys" on /pol/ must be 140 max. It's ridiculous. Just dogs chasing their tails. Oh well. None of this matters.

>>509329126
>did your mythical white people spawn 300 years ago?
Playing dumb again? You were already told, White means 100% European, simple as.
It is a collective category. And yes all White people share same ancestors

>>509329327
the one that gave the word "aryan" to your pasty barbarian clan to re-appropriate. that is my civilization.

>>509329438
"what the fuck?" is not an argument, tough guy. It's called gaslighting, and gaslighting doesn't make your faggy labor valuable.

>>509329453
Depends. If we don't kill you invaders first.
We certainly have the strength, but do we have the will is the question. Do people understand that jews need to be killed and nons deported before its too late

>>509329006
Do you really want me to repeat it for a third time? It's very simple and objective. It just goes against your utopian vision so you pretend to not understand.

>>509329620
engage properly. i also gave u the explanation after my "what the fuck?" stop language policing

>>509327497
>I have no issues with the ruling class, I am happy they can enjoy the fruits of their endeavors, now the immigrant foreigner class and their enablers I have severe issues with.

100%. And this is how most normal Americans feel, as well. The loud minority of retarded spergs foaming in the streets want the rich to be hated just because they are rich.
This makes no sense. Why would I hate someone for their success in life? Most normal people wouldn't.
I feel like, " good for them "
The kinds of people who I question, are the hateful idiots screaming and causing unnecessary strife for the rest of us because they are bored, hormonal, and easy to manipulate by America's enemies, within and without.

>>509329572
Nope, we are all of Caucasian race, the Aryan race, whatever you want to call it. We have the same ancestors and are genetically related.
Thats the thing about you shitskins, you make scientific hard facts into arguments, trying to push your pilpul bullshit.

How about removing your memeflag and we can all see how you're a shitskin living in White country, like all of you always are

>>509329678
how long has the person had to be european to be considered white? because humans didnt even originate in europe. not even did all white people originate in europe. something called human migration.

>>509329808
maybe research the fucking history of that word "aryan" before you talk on it? where did it originate and who does it refer to? hint: it is an ethnic and linguistic category, not a racial category since race is literally fake. read the rigved barbarian.

>>509329698
You didn't explain anything, you just acted incensed that I called your labor worthless.

Labor doesn't have value. You're ascribing value to labor to start all of your arguments. But this isn't true fundamentally.

In fact labor is an expense. It costs energy to work. You don't necessarily build anything when you labor. You don't necessarily produce anything when you labor. In fact you could easily destroy with your labor. You could fail to hunt, for instance. You could fail to eat. You could die. All of your labor would have no value. Because you simply failed. Your whole idea of a money system is just a lie, and you want to pay people for this lie.

So-called capitalism creates a surplus population of useless eaters and NPCs.
So-called communism designs the whole God damn society around them.

Fuck labor. No one ever wakes up in the morning and is like "I'm gonna labor"

>>509329275
>capitalism is based on the premise of infinite growth
Sure you need growth to be able to make profits but when currency isnt tied to anything you dont need to "expand infinitely".
For example in a National Socialist central banking system the currency can simply be backed by labor - what it means is that new currency will constantly be printed to the system with a set inflation target - like 1% increasing the amount of currency in circulation and thus allowing profits to be made.
And how it is put into circulation is debt-free interest-free, simply given out against labor, so used to pay the salaries of govt workers building infrastructure, paying the police, firemen, doctors, etc.

>>509329965
>race is literally fake
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDddddddddddddd
sure all animals are same too, there is no different animals
a cat is the same as a dog

>>509328153
You are the dumbass itt. And irl.

>>509329275
>expansion for capital.
You mean NEW MARKETS. This concept only works if the people in those new markets have money to spend. If they do not, they are ignored. In the link below you will find a map of all the Louis Vuitton stores in the world. How many of them are in africa?

https://us.louisvuitton.com/eng-us/stores

>>509328368
>power systems that don't reward social cruelty with more power.
Yeah and how do you actually achieve that?
Instead of reading midwit pseuds like Marx, try reading The American founders.
>It was a thing hardly to be expected that in a popular revolution the minds of men should stop at that happy mean which marks the salutary boundary between POWER and PRIVILEGE, and combines the energy of government with the security of private rights. A failure in this delicate and important point is the great source of the inconveniences we experience, and if we are not cautious to avoid a repetition of the error, in our future attempts to rectify and ameliorate our system, we may travel from one chimerical project to another; we may try change after change; but we shall never be likely to make any material change for the better.
The Federalist Papers are full of comments like this, providing context and motive to the various details and thought processes that went into crafting of the US Constitution. These were accomplished men that had lived through war and strife and borne great responsibility. Marx was a fart-huffing academic with drinking problem.

>>509329971
dawg i want a moneyless society too. what the fuck do u think communism is?

yes, nobody wants to do labor in an alienating system that exploits your labor. duh. but if you fathered a child, would you not work to protect and feed them? and by work i dont mean getting a job, i mean any sort of work. literally every work is labor.

you denying labor having value is just so retarded when value, which is tied to commodity, literally is created by labor. unserious thought.

>>509329822
Europeans did come from Europe actually. The "white people come from Africa" myth has been debunked multiple times.

Not that it even matters. If White people came from China they would still be White people. Stop trying to muddy the water to fit your "everything is class and everything else is a social construct" idealistic indoctrination.

>>509328574
Nigger, I can't wait until you turn 25-35 years old and your brain develops enough for you to feel the deep shame and embarrassment in yourself over how utterly retarded you were as a dumb kid. Which IS what you are. Just a dumb kid. Lmao at you.

>>509329352
Also mamzdani only won by 10% which exactly matches the margin siphoned by the 3rd candidate Brad Lander. If Lander wasn't in the primary it is wholly possible that Cuomo would have won.

>>509330266
He is just a non-white that wants to stay in a White countries and exploit and feed off of White labor
It's always the same with them

>>509330180
If you want a moneyless society, then quit getting distracted by labor theory economics and start building mixed orchards with permaculture. You have to be able to survive by foraging. Why are commies so hyperfocused on taking over factories in goy-world if you want the end of money? Fucking lying con artists.

>>509330111
the expansion for capital isnt just expansion for consumers u retard. it is the expansion for labor. those africans create the raw material for your louis vuitton. the chinese assemble those luois vuitton bags. that is what i meant by expansion. not new storefronts, but new factories.

>>509330403
yeah, if land wasn't commodified, and state interests didnt collide with my interests. i'd be happy to live in a commune with people i like. but imagine all people lived in communes helping each other. isnt that nicer?

>>509328821
>Right-wingers seethe when I shit in their streets!

>>509328622
You don't understand how American voting works.

>>509329717
They think they are righteous and fighting for the people but the truth of the matter is, anyone that is founding stock and has any iota of financial success, despises them and wishes they’d sit down and shut up. They are blinded by their jealousy and disguise it as a revolution.

>>509329620
He's right though, labor does have value the metric for that value is wage. It's like the difference in pay between an uber eats guy and a doctor. The value of their labor is set by the complexity of the tasks that they each perform.

>>509330571
Yeah, it's way nicer. It's one thing the leftists hippies understand that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that cuckservatives are cuckold gimps. But lefties have been MKULTRAd into perpetual revolutionaries, and righties are MKULTRAd into country bumkin literal pussy cuckolds so nobody's doing anything.

The idea that you can fight the government using politics is laughable. The land issue is a problem. Let's solve that by creating so many communities they can't stop it.

>>509330005
oh yeah, then how do those companies, who still seek profit btw, give nicer rates to shareholders? because the nazi state was still a bourgeois apparatus, it still consolidated bourgeois power. it still put corporations before people, no matter how much you deny it. the corporations were still owned by the ruling class, not by the workers.

how the fuck did it cause war if the state was so self sufficient and not looking for capitalist expansion? why did they invade poland? was it to free their workers? or was it to get more labor by putting the poles in concentration camps?

>>509330615
Street shitting you way? He's not alone

>>509328574
>you are literally defining fascism lol.
Yeah basically, which is what communists ALWAYS wind up with.
In the most hilarious cases, the fools like you are the first ones up against the wall after the revolution.

>>509329272
>Fuck Ahmed gon do?

He will run you over with a truck and go get his 72 ghost pussies waiting for him.

>>509330799
you are getting closer to the truth. but that is still idealistic. the state cannot be toppled with horizontalism. the spanish anarchists tried, but that fascist francisco franco toppled their communes.

that is why we need a workers' state to repress the ruling class until they have no power, and cannot sabotage us. then the state will have no use, it will wither away on its own.

>>509330937
Colonized jeeta.

>>509330405
So you should clearly define LABOR CAPITAL or HUMAN RESOUCES. The common definition for capital is cash.

capital
Capital is any asset used for a productive purpose. It can include tangible items, such as cash or machinery, or intangible items, such as intellectual property or human capital.

Capital can also refer to ways a company finances their operations, i.e. by debt capital or equity capital. The mix of debt and equity a company uses to finance their business is referred to as a company’s capital structure.

>>509330881
>why did they invade poland?
because after pilsudski died, even though he was a dirty philosemite he was at least rational, the kikes took over polish govt and they kept abusing the German populace that were stuck over on the polish side of the border in the illegitimate treaty of versailles that was penned by jews to force Germany to give up its land including its people that lived on that land to be handed over to polish jews to be abused

He rescued his own people and was based for it. It should have been nothing but a local squabble, but the Brits and French, being controlled by jews, and ultimately the judeo-boslhevik USSR and USA is who made it into a world war.

In fact the kikes were arming up for a "worldwide communist revolution" thats the whole point of communism to put all the lands under jewish control, the war in Europe was coming nevertheless

>>509331025
>spanish anarchists
I don't get why Catalonia is considered a high point for ancoms. They lynched everyone who disagreed and burned down their houses. By the end they were just soviet puppets who lost Spain's gold reserves.