Yahweh created the mortal world, but he is not the creator of all things. Yahweh himself is a creature of a Greater God. Jews worship Yahweh, but Yahweh is a part of Satan. Jesus is born from the Living God to save humanity from the forces of Satan, but Yahweh and the other members of Satan are constantly trying to stop Him.

>>509303031 (OP)
The real god is a mushroom. This is what the gnostics knew. You gotta eat the truth, and become the truth.

>>509303031 (OP)
Yahweh isn't part of Satan, Yahweh IS Satan.

You were so close to being based.

>>509303031 (OP)
Brahman is God. You can reject all the other stuff from Hinduism but that much is true. There's one consciousness that's experiencing everything.

>>509304338
Yes, but it is an inferior god. You and OP are talking about the Demiurge. He just creates matter, he didn't create our Spirit.

>>509303031 (OP)
Meds

>>509305062
Show nose

>>509304969
No. Brahma is the demiurge, not Brahman. Annoyingly similar words, I know. Brahman is similar to the One in Platonism. It's also essentially nothingness or the void, in my opinion.

>>509305330
You're not wrong. The way I see it: Brahman (One) is eternal, but Brahma isn't. The Demiurge undergoes life and death. It has an expiration date. This universe has an expiration date. But the principle behind the universe, Brahman doesn't. Also the Demiurge is semi-conscious, Brahman is more like an infinite ocean of potential, not nothingness. Nothingness can't exist by definition.

>>509305874
>You're not wrong. The way I see it: Brahman (One) is eternal, but Brahma isn't. The Demiurge undergoes life and death. It has an expiration date. This universe has an expiration date. But the principle behind the universe, Brahman doesn't.
From what I understand, this is basically what Hinduism says. There is also an infinite amount of universes and they all have a Demiurge.
>Brahman is more like an infinite ocean of potential, not nothingness. Nothingness can't exist by definition.
"Everythingness" can't either, but that is still what it is. From what I understand the two ultimately end up being the same. Regardless, if you return / merge back with it then you will cease to exist.

>>509303031 (OP)
optional salad dressing. you should be focusing on the true Good God and being a good person.

>>509303031 (OP)

>>509306606
You should be who you want to be and live the life you want to live, regardless of what any god, man, or even the planet is telling you

>>509303031 (OP)
Truth. The “god” of the old testament is literally Satan. If you re-read the OT knowing this everything makes much more sense.

>>509306700
>you should be your own god and know good or evil yourself
quiet, serpent.

>>509306606
>oi vey we need a magic jew to forgive us
Lol

>>509303031 (OP)
Jesus’ name means „Yah saves“
Satan means adversary
You should know good from evil, it’s your inheritance

>>509306497
>There is also an infinite amount of universes and they all have a Demiurge.
I'm more inclined to the view that there is only 1 Demiurge for all of the universes, not each universe having their own demiurge. But yes I agree that there are infinite or at least a very large amount of universes. Maybe billions. Infinite is very hard to prove...
Something can't come from nothing. You're not making much sense. I believe that something ALWAYS existed, potential always existed. But complete nothingness? Nah.

>>509306909

>>509307001
>there’s no number after 0

Kys

>>509307001
Nothing came from anything. Nothing actually physically exists. It's just consciousness, and that's all there is, all there was, and all there evil will be. And it's the eternal present. There is no past or future.

>>509307001
I mean, what you probably mean is "unmanifested potential", so in a way yes it was nothingness. But the potential was still there. It can't be otherwise. But I respect your views.

>>509303031 (OP)
Yhvh is saturn. Jesus is also saturn. These are kabbalistic abstractions of a reality which can not be named

>>509307676
I mean check the gematria guys, tell me abrahamism isnt just a big archetypal psychokabbalistic mind net. I mean what has government been doing for thousands of years we are given scraps from the table of knowledge laced with sedatives

>>509307293
You have to discover it for yourself, but good and evil exist objectively and the only thing any person ought to want is to be good, and the only thing they ought to want to avoid is evil. That's why the Buddhists describe the One as sunyata or "emptiness", because to reach a higher state of being you have to empty yourself of petty human materialistic concerns and allow The Good to fill you completely, so that there's nothing left but pure good will.

>>509308293
Even if this is true, people should be "good" because they want to be good. Not because you told them to be good.

>worjhib me, goy :---DDD

>>509308646
Exactly, that's why it has to be self discovered. The only way for a person to be good is for them to value good behavior for its own sake. The moment it's being done for reward or to avoid punishment, that person is a mere opportunist and has nothing in common with a man of virtue.

>lol bro im god haha give me kid blood

>>509308695
https://youtu.be/XG8dgN6x2EA?

I've been thinking on the garden of eden as gnostic parable.
Adam is one degree removed from God and Eve is two degrees removed by virtue of being created from Adam's rib instead of God's clay.

>>509308945
wait til you hear about Lilith

>>509308843
kek

>>509303031 (OP)
We just need to destroy the material world then everything will be fine, goy!

>>509309861
>The war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed
>Aug. 15, 1871

>>509310020
Both Nazism and Zionism were invented by them at a later time so wheres the issue?

>>509310634
I...whatever.

>>509310020
who do you think convinced adolf to use a swastika?

i hate christkikes so much

>>509307779
I'm not gnostic, but demiurge threads still are funny to me

>>509310958
>i hate christkikes so much

>>509310910
Who else?

>>509303031 (OP)
>Jesus is born from the Living God
Jesus is Yahweh

Jon 8
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

>>509310889
how far ahead do you think the ruling elites plan?

>>509308646
maybe that's the point of free will and mortal life behind the veil of ignorance

>>509311743
two weeks

>>509305330
>It's also essentially nothingness or the void, in my opinion.
That's where you're wrong. The One is the limitless source of all being.

>>509312074
It's not the exact same as Platonism, it was just similar in that context

>>509309138
>Don't marry a quarrelsome woman
Succ

>>509312065
Every time a jew says he hates Jesus, God adds two more weeks until their "messiah" returns

>>509303031 (OP)
NOHWEH!

>>509312074
One is the source of Being and all lesser beings, but One isn't Being itself nor does it have being. In that sense One is ineffable or "empty", because it's well and truly simple and without parts. The Platonic notion of One lines up perfectly with Buddhism's Sunyata or Emptiness, they simply use opposite words to describe the same reality. It's everything and it's nothing because it creates being without being being. It's everywhere yet also nowhere because it transcends locations altogether. When you really understand what One is, both descriptors are equally acceptable because neither one is able to fully describe it and can only amount to approximations.

>>509312230
Brahman is the same. It is the being-awareness that grounds all reality. The unconditioned substrate of consciousness.

>>509303031 (OP)

The unknown parentage of one Jew literally changed the world. Shit's cray-cray.

>>509312775
Chaos can't create, because creation implies order and order implies mind. Only the Good, Perfect and True can create, and that's One.

>>509313237
The leaven has been working through the dough

>>509303031 (OP)
You would think jesus would have mention that. Sounds important.

Thanks for revealing the truth new messiah

Hopefully you also plan on killing yourself soon.

>>509313312
B-but but muh Ordo ab chao

don't go into the light

>>509314132
That can't be an axiom, because if it were then it would always be true. Chaos would always give rise to order. But that obviously doesn't happen, which means it never happens. An actual functional axiom is nihilo ex nihilum, or "Nothing can emerge from nothing", because it remains true for every point in time and is directly observable and demonstrable. Which also disproves the idea that order can come from chaos, because if chaos is the lack of order then order can't come from it otherwise something would be coming from nothing. Or it would mean that chaos is inherently ordered in which case chaos isn't chaos at all. So no matter how you look at it, it's a non-functional phrase.

>>509303031 (OP)
The world that the gods devils and angels exist in during the bible and before its creation and revolt of material reality is the true reality created by the god source, the demiurge is an appendage or semiautonomous entity who dreamed up material reality, it needed consciousness to observe said creation to give it inherent meaning, the experience of life elevated the otherwise 1dimensional plane of material reality into a GASTALT

>>509313435

We will all be robots soon, so none of this shit even matters. Transhumanism ftw.

>>509315006
they will perish

>>509312605
imagine devoting yourself to something that is nothing when God reveals himself and to us in his whole personality and nature as savior and judge at the same time.

>>509314923
no one but God can create since he is the ultimate creator.
satan can not create, only corrupt what God created in his perfection only for satan to be destroyed and the creation of God recreated.

>>509315560
The thing he's describing as One is God. Every single Christian scholar read and admired Plotinus for his insight into God.

>>509315749
The material reality is the corruption friend before this we were free souls, we are now in the material prison designed so that conscious organisms consume eachother to survive. This world and your participation within it is the rebellion, to choose a reality of hardship over one of infinite pleasure and unity. Everytime youll speak to an entity on psychedelics they always imply youre a fugitive who ran into this world so your soul could not be caught, they will get it eventually

>>509316466
only God is only One as in the Godhead comprising of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit with each being their own person distinct from one another. so the One is more than one single person.
>Every single Christian scholar read and admired Plotinus for his insight into God.
every form of philosophy is humanism in disguise elevating our fallen nature above something that it truly is. the heart and mind is wicked until changed by God.

>>509316851
Adam gave authority over this world to satan and thus we are subject to spiritual oppression. the material is not a prison but a cursed world that needs to be restored to its original purpos which will be accomplished in the second coming of Christ.
the main problem with gnosticism is that it teaches that you can transcend the material to be like God, when it is in fact God that chose to dwell with us on earth, just as he dwelled with Adam in Eden. the restoration of heaven and earth is what is to be looked towards, not an immaterial existence.

>>509317192
One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit. Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.

>every form of philosophy is humanism in disguise
No, all philosophy is theology because philosophy is the love of wisdom and the wisdom means to love God. Anything that doesn't point to God can't be philosophy by definition.

>>509303031 (OP)
Anon...
First, understand that Yahweh is a statement. NOT a name.
"To be"
"I am"
John tells you that "god" is literal reason as the very first statement of his book.
So the obvious takeaway from this is that is not "Yahweh created the mortal world".
When you read the old testament, genesis, it's clear that the literal world is not being created, but a form of philosophy is.

>>509317606
>One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit.
are you putting God into a jar? are you saying God is x, when he is alpha to omega, all things? do you want to define a being that doesnt want and cant be defined? a being that says I am not only x but the rest of the alphabet too?

>philosophy is the love of wisdom
the entire book of Proverbs is about the Wisdom of God.

Proverbs 1
The Beginning of Knowledge
1 The proverbs of Solomon, son of David, king of Israel:

2 To know wisdom and instruction,
to understand words of insight,
3 to receive instruction in wise dealing,
in righteousness, justice, and equity;
4 to give prudence to the simple,
knowledge and discretion to the youth—
5 Let the wise hear and increase in learning,
and the one who understands obtain guidance,
6 to understand a proverb and a saying,
the words of the wise and their riddles.

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;
fools despise wisdom and instruction.

>7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge;

>>509317606
>Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.
the hebrew Tanakh existed way before greece was even a thing, and God was already defined as a multi person being, the LORD God, the Angel of Yahweh and the Spirit of God. all in the old Testament.

>>509318510
You're being adversarial for no reason at all. Describing God in terms of a holy trinity is not "putting God in a jar". Nothing I've said would be disagreeable to a genuine Christian. God is the ultimate, the source of all being. Nous or Logos is his first creation, and Psyche, Soul or Holy Spirit is the final generated being. After that it's matter and beings mixed with matter, which is imperfect and not fully divine.

>>509307676
Saturn worshippers desperately don't want their reign to be over. Which makes sense considering he eats his children out of fear.

>>509303031 (OP)
chemosh defeated yahweh, he's a tiny untergod even in the bible

>>509303031 (OP)
Yahweh is something made up by humans. God is real, but it isn't fucking Yahweh or Allah or Jesus or any of those concepts. God is immediately available to ALL people. You don't need some long dead schizo fucker to tell you what it is.

>>509308945
Adam and Eve is based on ancient bablyonian myth where Enki eats the sacred fruit and becomes sick.

When the bablyonians sacked jerusalem they took captives back to their home land. Not every but they took the royalty and priest class. They weren't treated terribly and were able to move within the babylonian mystery schools where they started writing, lifting their stories and replacing them with semitic characters.

>>509318976
>You're being adversarial for no reason at all.
what makes you think that? just because I am not agreeing with you completely makes you think I am hostile?
do you not know that the entire earth is at apostacy against God?
do you not understand what the sin of Babel was that made God disperse the nations and gave them over to other gods?
it was the exact same thing you just proposed, we can build a house for God where he is present and we can call upon him. we make God our subject who has to answer to us. we will put God into a box to be summoned how we please and when we please.
a people God just saved from the flood at putting themselves as the rulers of God. God do this God do that.
complete and other disregard for the sovereignty and almighty creator God limiting him to be a circus clown at the disposal of man. God is x, because I defined him as such.
that was the sin of Babel, and it was destroyed consequently.

>Nous or Logos is his first creation, and Psyche, Soul or Holy Spirit is the final generated being.
complete bullshit, there is no first creation of God himself.
God was and is and is to come. he is completely sovereign. he doesnt need us, he exists one his own, completely independent of his creation. he could destroy this whole creation and nothing would change for him, he still is the one he is. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit eternal.

>>509318976
>which is imperfect and not fully divine.
Romans 9
19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

>>509311273
>>Jesus is born from the Living God
Which one?

Did you know yahweh had siblings like chemosh whom famously humiliated him in war?

>>509303031 (OP)
fuck is this shmulen, gnosticism for 3rd grade? get lost kike.

>>509320024
fallen angels are not the siblings of yahweh but his fallen sons that will perish like men.
>whom famously humiliated him in war?
???
So Israel took possession of all the land of the Amorites, who inhabited that country. 22 And they took possession of all the territory of the Amorites from the Arnon to the Jabbok and from the wilderness to the Jordan. 23 So then the Lord, the God of Israel, dispossessed the Amorites from before his people Israel; and are you to take possession of them? 24 Will you not possess what Chemosh your god gives you to possess? And all that the Lord our God has dispossessed before us, we will possess. 25 Now are you any better than Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab? Did he ever contend against Israel, or did he ever go to war with them? 26 While Israel lived in Heshbon and its villages, and in Aroer and its villages, and in all the cities that are on the banks of the Arnon, 300 years, why did you not deliver them within that time? 27 I therefore have not sinned against you, and you do me wrong by making war on me. The Lord, the Judge, decide this day between the people of Israel and the people of Ammon.” 28 But the king of the Ammonites did not listen to the words of Jephthah that he sent to him.

>>509319880
>what makes you think that?
Because you insisted on the holy trinity, and when I agreed with you entirely you tried to flip it around on me and act as if invoking the holy trinity was putting limitations on God. That's not something someone would do if they were trying to come to a mutual understanding.

>>509321431
>and when I agreed with you entirely
you did not, you explained your own view of the trinity with which I do not agree at all.
>One is God the Father, Nous God the Son and Psyche is the Holy Spirit. Plato and Plotinus conceptualized the holy trinity long before Christianity.
Nous and Psyche are humanistic characteristics or concepts stemming body, soul and spirit. God is above all these concepts of man.
man is sinful in nature, the flesh at enmity with God, the soul demonic, and the spirit dead.
is its only by God becoming man and giving man a new heart and Spirit that the soul becomes alive. before that we are like dead men walking the earth. yet th father of philosophy, Protagoras, teaches that man is the measure of all things, which is ridiculous considering what the Word of God says.

>>509322174
>Nous and Psyche are humanistic characteristics
That's not what's meant by Nous or Psyche at all. Nous is Logos(Christ), or Intellect. It's reason in its purest form, and it's second only to God. Psyche is the World Soul or Holy Spirit, and it's third in line because its well being is found in how well it aligns with Logos. Psyche encompasses everything that's submissive to reason yet superior to matter. From Nature, the movements of stars and planets to the individual souls of men. You don't disagree with the ideas I'm explaining, you just don't understand them yet. You can't agree or disagree with what you have absolutely no knowledge of. You're trying to disagree before you've understood, which is why you're coming across as hostile.

>>509303031 (OP)
Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.

Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E

>>509322741
>you just don't understand them yet. You can't agree or disagree with what you have absolutely no knowledge of. You're trying to disagree before you've understood, which is why you're coming across as hostile.
lmao, do you think I didnt go down the gnostic rabbit hole? its kind of naive and ignorant telling someone he just doesnt know yet, or has no knowledge when you are the one that is yet drinking the shallow water.
>Nous is Logos(Christ), or Intellect. It's reason in its purest form, and it's second only to God
the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. when the disciples asked Jesus to show them the Father, Jesus replied that they are looking at him.
>Psyche is the World Soul or Holy Spirit, and it's third in line because its well being is found in how well it aligns with Logos. Psyche encompasses everything that's submissive to reason yet superior to matter.
you have no idea who the Holy Spirit is then. there is no 2nd or 3rd in line in the Godhead. they are all one yet are each their own person.

>>509322741
>From Nature, the movements of stars and planets to the individual souls of men.
God can let the sun stand still (Joshua), he is sovereign over the weather ( Elijah) the light of the earth (crucifixion of Jesus) and the stars (Revelation). he is sovereign over all creation as he pleases.

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,[a] not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies[b] will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.[c]

11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

>>509323662
What I'm describing to you isn't Gnosticism, it's Platonic Christianity.

>its kind of naive and ignorant telling someone he just doesnt know yet
You don't know, because this terminology is clearly foreign to you based on the unfounded objections you're raising. You haven't read Plato or Plotinus, nor Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa or any of the other early Christian scholars.

>the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son
No, the Father is explicitly not the Son. Christian doctrine is very clear on this. Christ is the embodiment of Logos, the Son of God. Not God the Father himself. Christ outright states that his Father is greater than himself.

>you have no idea who the Holy Spirit is then
I do. You do not. Please study these topics before pretending to be an authority.

>>509323977
>it's Platonic Christianity
its gnosticism. its 1 to 1 the same.
>You haven't read Plato or Plotinus, nor Augustine, Gregory of Nyssa or any of the other early Christian scholars.
why would I listen to fallible men? dont you know that if you trust in man you are cursed?
>No, the Father is explicitly not the Son.
I see you neither met Jesus Christ the Son nor God the Father. otherwise you would know that the Son inherits everything the Father is. all authority over heaven and earth has been given to the Son.
when you knock at someones door, and the Son opens, do you not think he is the representative of the Father even if he is not the Father? the Father is Spirit, yet the Son of the Father is both God and man, the physical representation of the Father on earth.
>I do. You do not.
then please describe his personality in the most simple way possible. until then your opinion is moot.

>>509303031 (OP)
>>509304262
Both of you are retarded jeetjews. Jesus is Yahweh/Jehovah.

>>509324470
No, it's not. Plato, Plotinus and the early Christians all refuted Gnosticism. Gnosticism maintains the belief that evil has substance and generative power, which is entirely anti-Christian.

So in the rest of your post you're telling me that you've never studied, never tried to understand, never reached out to the divine in any way and you've neglected all wisdom. To you, religion is insisting that you know best out of pride, rather than submitting yourself to knowledge, which is the opposite of wisdom, the opposite of love and the opposite of God. You aren't a Christian nor a man of God, you're a Satanist.

>>509324966
>never tried to understand, never reached out to the divine in any way and you've neglected all wisdom
you dont reach out to God, he reaches out to you. God is sovereign, without him nothing happens. the love for truth and wisdom is given by God in the first place, not chosen by you on your own free will.

>religion is insisting that you know best out of pride, rather than submitting yourself to knowledge, which is the opposite of wisdom, the opposite of love and the opposite of God. You aren't a Christian nor a man of God, you're a Satanist.
I am wondering who of the both of us is consumed in pride.
you didnt even answer my question. what is the personality of the Holy Spirit like?
you claimed you know him and I dont. please answer so we see who is walking in light and who in darkness.

>>509325405
>I am wondering who of the both of us is consumed in pride.
It's only you. There's no question. I'm not the one taking pride in ignorance, nor am I the one reacting in a hostile and adversarial way.