How do you respond to this without sounding butthurt?

You can only have a rate that abysmal if you're a smoker.
Retard deserves spending more

>>509320458 (OP)

i'm sick of hearing how some poor only pays 5 dollars for the same prescription i pay 200 for - FUCK THAT

>>509320458 (OP)
Ask them cringe europoors how do they spend big boy :) enjoy your guns :)

>>509320595
>Problem is not that rich people are too rich, rather poor people aren't poor enough
Common rightoid brain diseases opinion

If the US wasn't a shithole printing money just to throw it overseas, then we could have a basic level of healthcare like every other European country.

Your taxes will cost less than monthly insurance premiums + out of pocket costs.

what kind of dumbass manages to do this? I don't think I could find health insurance this expensive if I tried

>>509320458 (OP)
I knew a guy at my AA group that was released from jail after a high speed chase with the cops after dealing fentanyl for years, and had an apartment in a decent part of town, food stamps, internet, utilities and healthcare (including prescriptions and counseling) all paid for by the state. He took classes at the local community college (paid for by the state)

I don’t want to say he was a good dude, but he did help me get sober. The only thing the state wouldn’t do would get him a car - and his license was revoked basically forever - which in the us no car or any reasonable expectation of getting a car even if you worked is like living in purgatory

>>509321237
every time when you confront a rightoid with this sad reality they get pissy about how they are the big dog and shiet

>>509320458 (OP)
If we had Universal health care, your taxes would go up, but the increase would be far lower than $30,780 a year with a max out of pocket of $18,500.
Meanwhile, more of our tax dollars already go towards health care than is the case in countries with Universal health care coverage.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/

Why do you want to support a system where you effectively spend way more than you would otherwise have to just to screw over poor people? That's the real question.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/single-payer-system-would-reduce-us-health-care-costs/2012-11

>>509321638
because it gives them a false sense of moral superiority, it's that simple

>>509320946
You arent getting it. The goodwill is gone. Americans arent willing to pay higher taxes so people that hate them can benefit. I dont care if the people who hate me and steal my tax money are rich or poor, only that they are my enemies.

>>509320458 (OP)
I like how this guy, rather than wanting affordable healthcare, demands that everyone be as miserable as him. Real crabs in the bucket mentality on display. This country is fucked.

>>509321834
>>509321816
We can't lash out at the system but we can lash out at each other it's really that shrimple.

For example I find it basically imposs9ble to support illegals in any way knowing that they can pop out a baby for free while it costs me thousands

>>509320458 (OP)
>Fume brain

>>509320458 (OP)
The real question is how is this retard paying 2500 a month for health insurance? My health insurance is maybe $400 a month and my employer pays 90% of it.

>>509320458 (OP)
I find it hard to believe that any welder pays for health insurance. That is probably the listed value of the healthcare he gets from his employer.

>>509321816

look at the pot calling the kettle black

>>509321965
That's how the powerful have always maintained their power.
Just divide the underclasses. Make them hate each other instead of you. That way you can milk them for all they're worth and they'll do fuck-all to stop you - hell, they'll even support and defend you just to piss off the other guys.

>>509320458 (OP)
Obamacare did this.

>>509322166
republicans did this by constantly voting against healthcare reform

>>509320458 (OP)
>some welder
why is a welder bitching about $30k a year? i thought they were all rich as hell? also
>da missus
kek. make that fat lazy sow bitch get a fucking job and take health insurance through her job.

>>509322166
It was even worse before Obamacare.
Health Care Reform was one of the major issues that got Obama elected.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2008/08/21/section-3-issues-and-the-2008-election/

>>509320458 (OP)
Imagine if instead we had free healthcare for all and you didn't need to pay?

>>509321834
Funnily enough, why do you think insurance premiums are so high? The whole points of insurance is that your helping pay for everyone on your same provider with premiums. It's just that the insurance company siphon off huge profits from your contributions as well.

Whether it's public or private healthcare, you're always paying for others in the system.

>>509320595
>pay 200 for it
use an indian mail order pharmacy you coward retard faggot.

Aren't the "medicaid cuts" LITERALLY just a study/work requirement?

Fill me in here. Because every time I look this up, the ONLY people losing free healthcare are NEETs.

>>509320946
>If your brain was healthy, you'd want to pay a fortune to subsidise the existence of people who don't give a fuck about you

>>509321638
I’ll support universal healthcare when we return to being a 90% white country

Guess who is not going to be short any money...lol
If you wont die for Israel at least pay for their healthcare ya retarded anglokikes

who the fuck pays for health insurance? if i need to go to the hospital i just go and don't ever pay the bill, if pablo can do it why not you
normies really think the hospital is just going to turn you away if your card declines lmao

>>509321237
>If we just make healthcare free it will cost less than market rates!
It doesn't work like that you fucking retard. It will cost 10x as much and be 10000% worse quality.
Just look at the cost of puttin in a new sidewalk. Takes 6 months and costs $500k whereas a crew of concrete guys could do it in a day and for a few thousand dollars.

None of this is sustainable.

>>509321638
I could be fine with taxing me to get a universal system for citizens but Medicaid is taxing me to pay for other people.

>>509320458 (OP)
Boomer attitude. Every is worried about getting screwed over and so they all just focus on protecting their scraps. We could have actual health care if niggerbrain morons weren't like this.

>>509320458 (OP)
Everyone with crab bucket mentality should be executed on the spot, it's a sign of extremely low IQ.

>>509321940
What else do you expect people to do? We are completely captured by the corpo elite and the only thing that could fix it is completely wigging out which won't happen while people can still eat.

Irs human nature to lash out when you feel stuck but the only people we can hurt are other middle class idiots.

>>509322315
The cuts are on top of the requirements. It's like reduction of $700 billion over the next 10 years or something.

>>509320458 (OP)
For countries that have their own fiat currency, at the federal/national level, the money printer just goes brrr.

>>509322378
you're wrong and also retarded. CMS reimbursement rates are below private insurance reimbursement rates.

>>509322429
No, we couldn't.
Government healthcare will mean nobody but the wealthiest get treated.

>>509320592
>retard deserves to be spending more
Yes, and he's not necessarily claiming otherwise. You completely missed his point because you're a retard who probably got reading comprehension problems wrong on standardized tests in school

>guy tells how much he pays
>points out that others get theirs for free
>points out that he's also paying for *their* free Healthcare
At no point did his specific amount actually factor into his point. He simply listed the cost to prevent anyone from responding with "Yeah but how much do YOU pay???" He got it out of the way. That should've been enough to help retards like you, but you proved him wrong.

>>509320458 (OP)
t. Fucking Retard
Hint: Your healthcare is gonna go up too you fucking moron.

>>509322429
>Every is worried about getting screwed over
Everyone IS ALREADY getting screwed over. You can't "fix" this within the framework of the corrupted system. How badly do you want free healthcare? Because you can have it...

>>509322235
shillbot in under a minute flat

>>509322269
And another with some random bullshit. These are the algorithms flooding the catalog and watching for wrongspeak.

Fun fact: I paid $25 a week for insurance before niggercare kicked in. The same level of insurance is now $500. Thanks niggerbama.

>>509322449
That's the cost of illegal aliens.
They are cutting medicaid to states that give it to illegals by 20%
If they want the money back they have to cut off illegals

>>509322141
>>509322082
Yeah, the math ain't mathing.

>>509320458 (OP)
European here: you guys are soooo fucked. Compared to you guys, we're only moderately fucked. I never knew that a capitalist nation could be so much like Animal Farm, a book about communism. The rekt middle class is pissing on the poor while the 1% owns 1/3 of all wealth. You poor dumbasses. The pigs in DC eat well. Do keep voting for the uniparty. Let's get it up to 1/2.

>>509322312
Exactly.
Here's what happens when someone goes to the emergency room and can't afford to pay: they get treated anyway and their bills are passed on to everyone else. Prices go up. It's handled on a case-by-case basis, which is very ineffective and adds further overhead costs.
The goal of covering everyone isn't about being "nice." It's recognizing that the above is a reality and that costs can be kept lower if we handle them systematically by including those people in the system to begin with. As an added bonus, it enables them to seek preventative care. Again, the value in this has nothing to do with "being nice" - preventative care is far cheaper than sudden emergencies, so cases we can handle in a preventative manner are cases that don't go to the emergency room, again, driving up costs on the rest of us.
There are real economic advantages to universal health care that critics are afraid to consider because their hatred of handouts outweighs their rational economic self-interest.

what kind of hyperfaggot sees that they’re getting raped and decides that everyone should be raped instead of no one, are you from the middle east?

>>509322316
>>509322333
If you pay private health insurance premiums, you're already paying for other people you hate that are on the same provider.

>>509322621
i paid $250 a week before obamacare now i pay $75 a week. have you tried getting a real job at a place that doesn't treat you like a mentally retarded slave? kek. god damn you are one pathetic fucking loser. you are getting FUCKED UP THE ASS by your employer since OBAMACARE (FIFTEEN YEARS AGO) and you're STILL too stupid to figure it out.

>>509322156
You make it sound simple but what happens when a large portion of your "class allies" become willing or unwittingly thr stooges of the oppressors. What happens when your common man becomes the tool of your oppression? What happens when you realize that these stooges are completely intractable and entrenched in the programming of the oppressors?

You simplify the issue. Singing kumbaya isn't going to solve the issue neither will education them because most of their minds are made up.

>>509320458 (OP)
If he can't figure it out I don't understand why it's my responsibility to do his thinking for him

>>509322529
Its a myth that government controlled healthcare will be cheaper
No hold that, its a flat out communist lie.
Once government starts paying for something, it becomes an ever deepening eternal money pit

>>509322316
Yes exactly, it's the immigrants' fault

>>509321501
he and his wife Dave must have AIDS

>>509322301
did you get confused why we aren't living in utopia while all those boring wars were happening?
here's your business idea
>you guys give me money forever and I'll do the bare minimum with it for you
fuck your medical empire

>>509322429
If you removed all jews and non-whites you'd already have socialized healthcare with the taxes you already pay, without paying any more.
In fact you could decrease your taxes and still keep it, because you're paying MORE to healthcare as taxes than we are, you just receive none because it all goes to treating nons

Although because of jews flooding Europe with shitskins our socialized healthcare is becoming unsustainable.
It all just depends on not having any non-whites around
For some reason, I think due to inbreeding, the immigrants also use FIVE TIMES more healthcare than the native Whites do.
This is obviously unsustainable, because we still have the same amount of doctors than before (shitskins are not intelligent enough to become doctors without DEI, and we dont have it), yet we now have 500k nonwhites to treat in a country of 5 million.
And because nons use FIVE TIMES more healthcare, its like adding 2,5 million more people to be treated.
Not to mention its the White people who pay for it all, nonwhites COST us money they dont bring it in

>>509322621
>And another with some random bullshit. These are the algorithms flooding the catalog and watching for wrongspeak.
That's some heavy cope you got there dude.

>Fun fact: I paid $25 a week for insurance before niggercare kicked in. The same level of insurance is now $500. Thanks niggerbama.

Cool.
I cut my finger on a razor one morning while getting ready for a cross country flight. Had to be taken care of, too early to go to urgent care, my only option was the emergency room.
I ended up paying $2000 for soap, water, medical epoxy, and about five minutes of the doctor's time.
Great system you want to go back to dude.

>>509322739
What? That doesn't even make sense...

>>509320946
How wrong can one person be?

>if you pay $200 it means you're rich
Retarded faggot. Here in America you become ineligible for most programs if you work even 2 or 3 months a year. There is nothing for the working poor. You either have to claw your way to a better job or you have to give up completely so you can qualify for gibs.

People are simply beginning to understand the harm of socialist policies now that they are struggling. It's easy to go along with some socialism when things are going well, but as soon as things start going bad everyone reverts back to basic capitalist principles and people focus on their individual finances and start realizing how much of their money is taken to help people who probably don't deserve the help.

>>509322808
>Its a myth that government controlled healthcare will be cheaper
>No hold that, its a flat out communist lie.
i literally work in corporate finance at a leading PBM/health insurer. CMS mandates 100% rebate pass-through on med d scripts, for instance, while commercial clients get scalped on <100% rebate pass-through and various other fees that are not allowed by CMS.

you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>509322808
>Its a myth that government controlled healthcare will be cheaper
It isn't. It's actually a very easy thing to verify, too.

>>509322704
>There are real economic advantages to universal health care that critics are afraid to consider because their hatred of handouts outweighs their rational economic self-interest.
Absolute sheer retardation.
It will not Only be 99% of the budget but it will be the lowest quality possible. Healthcare is already the largest expenditure as it is.

>>509322896
>He didn't just Krazy Glue it back together
It's your own fault in multiple different ways.

>>509320458 (OP)
So you DON'T want to pay $4000 a year for the same coverage in healthcare?

>>509322912
oy vey, i can’t fit! be a good goy keep spreading your sphincter for my socialized cock

>>509320458 (OP)
Just and proper, good sir. You want a thing, you pay your money for the thing you want. Do not make everyone pay for what only you want.

I want to live in a powerful and proud republic.

>>509321638
God damn it you subhuman fucking animal! WE CANNOT AFFORD the 2-3 TRILLION dollars it would take every single year!

>>509320458 (OP)
Blaming the poor for what the kikes do to you should be punished by death.

>>509321638
>just to screw over poor people?

What kind of broken mind even draws such a conclusion?

>>509323137
The poor and uneducated are their chief weapon tho

>>509322976
You don't even get it, you're too retarded
Government will always spend more not less. Always, every single time
>>509322993
Oh really? You can point me to where the government doing something or paying for something didn't result in a death spiral of taxing and spending?.

>>509320458 (OP)
>falling for a scam
>proudly listing how much you pay into a scam
>wanting everyone to support the scam for no reason other than wealth must continue to be redistributed upward forever

>>509323119
Actually we can, you retarded bootlicking kike-enabler filth.
It's just all the greedy kikes hoarde wealth and tell you we can't afford anything because of the poor.

You're a worthless retard and deserve to die during the collapse you are happily ushering in for the kikes.

>>509322312
Yes, but before Obamacare we were placed in risk pools so that healthy people can pay a lower amount than unhealthy people. One of the few risk factors that are still allowed to be taken into account is smoker status, but now pretty much everyone is thrown into the same risk pool so healthy people pay a lot more so unhealthy people can pay a lot less

>I pay $2500/mo for healthcare
Doubt
>>509321501
It’s a lie. Even COBRA isn’t close to that expensive

>>509322301

Imagine if we just put people that want free shit down instead.
FUCK YOU

>>509320458 (OP)
>30k PA with 18.5K excess
Holy shit, this is the system cuckservatives in the US actually shill for?
How is that not just debt slavery?

>>509321638
Quality of care would plummet though. Consider emergency rooms, where you get to wait for hours at a time, because laqueesha's bastard son has sniffles, or Enrico is there to get treated before skipping out on the bill.

Every single healthcare provider would be absolutely flooded with riff raff misusing a limited resource, because it has no cost to them. I have to pay for my doctor's visits, and as a result, I only go when I need to. If it was free, my incentive would be to use it often, "just in case".

>>509320458 (OP)
He must have a lot of health issues if he’s paying 30k and 18k out of pocket. My boomer parents pay less than half that for the both of them.

>>509320458 (OP)
>Have shit health insurance plan
>Blame poor people

>>509323202
>the poor and uneducated

>>509323220
>You don't even get it, you're too retarded
no, you're actually a stupid fucking drooling nigger retard. i work at a leading PBM/insurer in corporate finance. i am at work, right now. i know more than you. i see plan sponsor margins as part of my work. you a stupid fucking retard.

>>509323202
You will be killed when the economy collapses at the hands of these kikes and you will deserve it.

>>509323189
You want a thing, you pay your money for what you want.

>>509322755
Another shillbot.

>i paid $250 a week before obamacare
Nobody paid that. I had full coverage with no out of pocket. When I added my wife and kid it went up 3 bucks. Or it would've if king nigger hadn't come calling.

>>509322896
I'm not reading all this bullshit if I wanted to read lies I'd head over to a news media website. Keep posting bot nigger maybe someone will be dumb enough to buy your revisionist propaganda. The nigger ruined healthcare. Period.

>>509323311
It’s propaganda anon don’t believe it. Don’t believe anything on /pol/

>>509322429
You need to be beat with a bat until you explain where we are supposed to get 2-3 trillion dollars per year from.

>>509320458 (OP)
Why would you pay 30k a year in insurance when you could invest that 30k and build your own health insurance fund?

>>509323314
What you said does not make any sense because everything you outlined is already happening in earnest. The results you fear are being created currently by the status quo

It's easier to be poor in America. I made an extra 3 grand and got kicked out of medicaid now I have to pay 13$ for my blood pressure pills every 3 months instead of them being free! Capitalism has failed.

>>509323349
Vermin like you will die soon. It will be nice.

>>509323349
>shillbot
you have been getting raped up the ass by your employer by 15 years and you're still to fucking stupid to find a new job and leave. you are the perfect goy, an utterly subservient slave nigger retard who exists to be whipped, exploited, tortured, and ridiculed. an absolute gutless, spineless, thoughtless, dickless faggot retard. KILL YOURSELF.

>>509320458 (OP)
the people he voted for don't care about how much he spends on his healthcare, why does he think anyone on twitter does

>>509323314
This
Something that is "free" will absolutely be abused with no limit. Taxes will necessarily increase to insane levels to pay for it

>>509320458 (OP)
American rightoids are the most anti-social retards in the world.

>>509323333
Nice digits.

Democrats, of course. They hate America and Americans.

>>509320458 (OP)
I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR THE RIGHTS OF EVERY MAN
I AM A REAL AMERICAN
FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT, FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE!

>>509323387
You need by stabbed repeatedly with a knife covered in shit until you admit kikes control all money.

>>509323338
Which is totally irrelevant, what you are asking for is the abolition of that system none of what you see today will remain
You are so retarded you actually believe the largest government in human history would actually SPEND LESS just because LMFAO

>>509323343
I'm just pointing out where the anger for the poor comes from. It's no their fault since the elite have purposely gutted education over the past 30 years to create a huge population of programmable retards but they are here now and they are main bulwark preventing change in this country

In fact you don't have to be poor you can just be retarded which is likely seeing as 1/3 of Americans are illiterate including 20% of hs whites graduating this year.

>>509323387
Just print it like they always do and yell at the fed to keep the rates down. It’s the same shit they always do instead it goes to Americans instead of weapons manufactures and Israel.

>>509323541
Yet you lust to have them control all of healthcare too.
Choke to fucking death begging for free shit monster.

>>509322141
>>509322658
1099 and having to buy on the (((open market))). Wagies disgust me, look how low iq you are.

Almost as bad as this retard for actually paying for some jewish *gold* plan instead of the bare minimum.

>>509323541
Ah. Do you do that on dates?

>>509323630
>Oh just print 2-3 trillion EVERY YEAR

WHAT A MINDLESS FUCKING RETARD! Die in a fire.

>>509323450
>i gunna getcha
Not only will you not do shit I will keep destroying the beloved niggers you worship for all time. Seethe.

>>509323456
>but muh class warfare talking points
This script fucking sucks.

>>509323349
I definitely remember pre-obama health insurance being cheap as free. But once you had a pre existing condition, you couldn't get it, and better believe your current provider would drop your ass after paying for those initial visits.

I wish we had ended up somewhere between "everyone must pay for everyone else" and "discarded in a trash pile because you got cancer through no fault of your own".

Even something as simple as mandatory registration of alcohol use/drug use/slut behavior. Then tying access to the preferential risk pool to not engaging in those behaviors. I don't mind paying for socialized healthcare, as long as I'm not actually paying to subsidize retards burning their candle at both ends. Alchies, weed bros, and whores can all go into the risk pool where they pay 80% of their paychecks for MAID coverage

>>509323604
do you have a learning disability?

>>509320458 (OP)
Kicking people off medicaid will derive costs up. Your employer provided insurance will become more expensive, because the hospital will have to claim non-negotiated rates for ER care provided to the uninsured off as a losses. These losses will be pushed onto health insurance companies, which will push them off to your employer, who will push them off onto you in the form of increasingly worthless health care packages. And lower raises.

>>509320458 (OP)
>How do you respond to this without sounding butthurt?
Lose weight fat ass, almost all health issues are related to being an overweight lardass.

I don’t want free healthcare because I want isreal to have it more!

isreal First, America Last!

>>509320595
talk to the pharmajews
this is classic divide and conquer, rich people saying "slightly less poor guy, look at this other guy, he has something, while you have something slightly other"

>>509320458 (OP)
This is the same type of moron who complains that grocery stores are price gouging. He can’t believe those massive 1% profits but when it comes to a hospital charging 1000% the actual cost of something he’s willing to pay it.

>>509320458 (OP)
Well I'm glad you can pay for it. The person working two part time jobs to get close to the poverty line can't. Neither can the self-employed person growing the food you eat. Neither can the person with the debilitating medical condition who can't work.

If anyone sounds butthurt, it's "Some Welder". Bet he probably still believes that old fairy tale about the Welfare Queen driving up to the SNAP office in her Cadillac. too.

>>509320458 (OP)
Why the fuck is he paying 30k a year for health isnrusnce?

I think my family plan for wife and two kids is like 6k

>>509320458 (OP)
Wait, but people here have told me for years that trade jobs, like Welder, are really based and pay lots of money and are the white man's savior. You mean to tell me you get no healthcare from them and you are one heart attack away from utter bankruptcy?

>>509322896
>i need a professional to kiss my boo boo
they charged you $2000 for wasting the emergency department's time with a papercut.

>>509322556
But nobody is forcing him to pay anything. In my 36 years I've never had insurance or medicaid and never paid a dime to a hospital. And that's after having 4 kids. Never been sued. Only cucks pay.

>>509323415
It's happening in emergency rooms because retards passed laws that make it impossible for them to demand payment upfront, or turn away people. So that became the de facto source of healthcare for darkies and browns.

>>509323389
Because in the US Healthcare is basically like dealing with the mob. If you don't pay them your protection fees they just create fake BS reasons to charge you more.
You need to give the Healthcare mafia SOMETHING just so when are you sick your bills aren't absurdly high for no reason whatsoever. Hospitals make insider deals with insurance companies that you can't do so having a separate investment fund doesn't mean shit the hospital will just keep adding on bs charges until you're bankrupt because you didn't pay your protection money.
Burgers seem to love this system for some ungodly reason.

>>509320458 (OP)
If he's paying that much in health insurance then both him and his wife are probably fat fucks that smoke and drink

>>509323712
>pepe smoking a cigar.gif over being a slave retard who has been assfucked by his employer for 15+ years and counting
they dont call em goyservatives for nothin!

>>509320946
>why don't you like subsidizing the lives of scabs who are driving your wages down or of worthless malingerers and drug addicts?
KYS

>>509323728
The thing is they made insurance worse on purpose, Pelosi said so. Its problem/reaction/solution in play. They make healthcare unbearable until you react and then they give you the solution they desired all along: single payer. They flat out said this they didn't even care to hide it. They could've thrown some reform in to make things better at a marginal price increase for consumers but that was never what they were after.

>>509320458 (OP)
Wow the US is so heartless. We spend 200times that amount on saving an endangered bird

>>509321638
>USA already has 100 million people on single payer systems
>if we did soemtnign reasonable like combine them alm into one single payer system we’d have 350 million people on Medicare
>medicare still costs thousands of dollars a year + it’s basic
>me as a non poor retard would still have to spend thousands a year on supplemental insurance while my taxes go up 20%


Yeah it’s just a bad deal for most middle class Americans sorry . All you euros that think healthcare is free must be children who don’t realize your mom and dad paid for private insurance because state run insurance is basic bitch bare bones minimal coverage

>>509322938
>Socialist policies
Right right uh huh

We give foreign aid to countries that have universal healthcare. The only solution is universal healthcare with death panels.
>B-but then I'll be paying for fat slobs!
Who will be handled by the death panels, same with the pack a day smoker begging for cancer treatment at age 67.
>But that gives too much power to the government!
It's just doing the same thing United Healthcare does but without the base alloy of hypocrisy and doublespeak. If you're a fat retard with zero self control the government death panel cuts off your care and you fend for yourself. If you're not and you need treatment you get healthcare. Universal healthcare with death panels is MORE fair than the private healthcare system. Everyone pays in, everyone is a stakeholder, but those with no self control are cast out of the system.

>>509323984
>If you cannot afford to give me something free that means you are heartless.

>>509322749
The government has never made healthcare cheaper when it’s interfered in the market.

>>509320595
Medicine, food, and shelter should be open for all people within a society, otherwise there is no point in joining one. Luxury items like a private house, fancy food, cars, new clothing, and electronics should be for those that work.

>>509323733
You're living in a fantasy world if you think free healthcare won't explode into a bottomless pit of government spending
50% income taxes won't even be enough

>>509323847
the average tradie makes around 50-60k, it's always been machismo cope
just like penis size you can comfortably subtract 50% of their claim for the more accurate number

>>509323712
end product of veggie tales mind rape

>>509324034
>If you get taxed into serfdom then you magically life 4 years longer.

>>509324073
>all people within a society
No, only citizens.

>>509320458 (OP)
And the price will go up, why, then?

>>509323823
Fact: States like California, New York, Michigan and Massachusetts are using Medicaid Provider Taxes to cost shift their state run free health care for all including illegals onto the rest of America.
>>509323823
>the self-employed person growing the food you eat.
LMFAO most people don't buy $10 cucumbers at the farmer's market

>>509323827
itsa privilege to him to pay that much

>>509324043
Bullshit! Only some just got here teenager would think the government would be "more fair".

>>509324034
It has nothing to do with health spending and everything to do with large numbers of brown fat poor people who die at 45 of heart attacks and diabetes

White and Asian life expectancy is right in line with Europe

>>509320458 (OP)
Crab in a bucket retard who should be advocating for Medicaid for All instead of pushing to make everything even worse than it already is. Punching themselves in the face to "own the libs"

>>509320458 (OP)
How do you guys manage to understand the problem backwards every time? This man is being screwed by insurance companies, not medicaid. He should be advocating for expanded public healthcare access like every first world country has figured out makes the most sense.
>>509320595
>>509322378
These poor dummies have been fed a bunch of lies. Public healthcare is cheaper and more efficient in every country. Private healthcare is only more efficient at siphoning money from poor people to shareholders, as the guy in OP's image should really have been able to figure out by now.
You have been lied to so you'll shill for the interests of people who actively hate you and see you as nothing more than an object to produce resources for them.

>>509324073
>Others should be slaves that provide what I want.

>>509320458 (OP)
retarded statement, crab in the bucket mentality.
why not just support single payer healthcare?
boom, problem solved
but no, republitardians must continue supporting candidates who vote against their own interests to own the lib.
kek.
lord.

>>509324140
citizen definition: whoever you-know-who decides is allowed to be a citizen, oy vey!

>>509323953
>do i fit in now guise king nigger was the bees knees

>>509320458 (OP)
Medicine is a jewish scam

Then bankrupt hospitals and NO ONE GETS TO SEE A DOCTOR OR A HEALHT SPECIALIST.

You expect emergency rooms to disregard sick people after you drunk DUI bastards run and hit everyone after your sex orgy drunk of your ass parties and orgies?

>>509324112
>Based on the reviewed studies comparing Medicare and private insurance rates for hospital and physician services, this brief finds that private insurance payments are consistently greater, averaging 199% of Medicare rates for hospital services overall, 189% of Medicare rates for inpatient hospital services, 264% of Medicare rates for outpatient hospital services, and 143% of Medicare rates for physician services.

here you go, stupid fucking nigger. https://www.kff.org/medicare/issue-brief/how-much-more-than-medicare-do-private-insurers-pay-a-review-of-the-literature/

I LITERALLY WORK IN THE FUCKING INDUSTRY IN FINANCIAL REPORTING AND ROUTINELY DO MARGIN ANALYSES ON MAJOR CLIENTS, INCLUDING CMS. YOU ARE A FUCKING STUPID NIGGER.

>>509324224
WE
CANNOT
AFFORD
IT!

Why the fuck do you subhuman animals IGNORE basic fucking reality?

You simply need to be curb stomped!

>>509324224
> He should be advocating for expanded public healthcare
Why would he advocate for more government involvement when government involvement is why he pays so much in the first place?

>>509324165
Most black "farmers" only have a backyard garden and they get farming subsidies.

>>509324292
Go mooch off of someone else, nigger.

>>509324123
No, they make closer to 100 grand. But what they don't tell you is the massive amount of overtime they were forced to work to get it. And I say forced because every trade has mandatory overtime due to lack of workers.

>>509324190
Show memeflag retard. Also you're wrong and I'm right and I and my ancestors are anglo stock that have lived here longer than your probably mutt-irish or barrio trash ass has squatted on this land. Universal healthcare with death panels is an unassailable position and you're just mad you smoke like a chimney and wouldn't be able to pawn off your healthcare bills to everyone else, welfare queen.

>>509324281
Why not just learn to deal with reality kid?

>>509323314
Here's where I disagree.
Under the current system, they abuse it already. Worse, they go to the emergency room, taking up valuable resources that ought to be available for emergencies, when they'd otherwise be able to go to local doctors' offices and urgent care clinics.
Remember, it's free either way because they skip the bill after using the emergency room too. At least with coverage the doctors would *still* be covered for their time.
Also, the existence of publicly available universal care doesn't preclude the existence of private insurance with doctors who only accept that.

>>509320458 (OP)
200 years ago healthcare was essentially non-existent. Why why does everyone cry about it in 2025

>>509320458 (OP)
>I pay exuberant amount of money for healthcare
>do you vote to expand healthcare
>uh no fuck you commie
Kek these people are dumber than niggers

>>509324211
>>509324224
no fuckface liars we are all being screwed by medicaid because the gov is borrowing shitloads of money to pay for it. The solution however is not to remove medicaid entirely it is to stop paying for any treatment for type 2 beetus, your prescription is a keto diet. And to bust up the medical cartels and stop all their collusive price fixing bullshit. Stopping the beetus shit alone would fix the entire federal budget problem

>>509324281
It is no in our best interests to let a government that hates our fucking guts get to decide if we get healthcare.

I COULD NOT STANGlE ENOUHG LIFE FROM YOUR SHIT BODTY!!!

Americans are fucking retards. If we didn't have public roads these niggers would be arguing they are communism.
>Public defenders
That's capitalism baby!
>Public doctors
NOOOOO SOCIALISM

>>509324380
why should you put up with anything?

>>509324367
i’m just like you, goy! i love paying to survive while giving handouts to israel!
you’re lobotomized you fucking hyperfag

>>509322333
Reason #7301 why they want to rule over incoherent multiracial "democracies"

>>509324025
Single payer will never work, unless it's coupled with personal responsibility taxes on fatties, addicts, and degenerate weirdos. Those people will pay in less than a percent of what they bleed from the system. Just consider the average troon, and how much money they require to become horrendous Frankenstein monsters, and how often they're already on the dole, providing zero tax revenue themselves.

>>509324068
The market consists entirely of money the government printed. All that money circulating did appear by natural market forces.

Private companies will never run things cheaper too since they can't just magically print money like the fed can. Eat shit.

>>509323937
Who are you arguing against because nothing you said adresses anything I said in my post.

Try again.

>>509324514
>im just like you
Look at how these niggers lie to try and leech off of the American taxpayer.

>>509320458 (OP)
What's his gross yearly income?

>>509320458 (OP)
The funny part is that Dems and the left have been shitting all over the white working poor for 10 years and now pretend to care

>>509324376
>welfare queen.

Says the subhuman scumbag that wants free shit!

In the Name of Jesus, may a death curse fall on all those who take away health care. May their children die of terminal cancer.

>>509324555
just a bit wider, goy, i almost have the tip in!

>>509324538
> Private companies will never run things cheaper
The Soviet Union proved this to be incorrect. Why are you people ignorant of history?

Private companies must face competition. The government does not need to compete. It’s obvious why the government cannot deliver low prices.

>>509324463
uhhhh, single payer healthcare means everyone pays into it via taxes rather than this clusterfuck shit show we have going on but keep complaining I guess?

>>509324424
Because marxists think it will secure them victory.

>>509320458 (OP)
We pay even more in taxes. Nothing is free man

>>509324616
Why are you niggers so gay?

>>509323847
You're always one heart attack away from utter bankruptcy because many US employers will simply fire workers if they ever experience a severe health issue, leaving them with no health insurance anyway.

>>509320458 (OP)
I have a PPO plan and pay less than $700/month with a $4500 deductible. This guy is getting ripped off by his insurance provider even more than I am and he's angry at poor people and not the insurance companies and government.

I have insurance and just dont pay whatever I'm billed. We have illegals shitting out kids on our dime. Might as well have kids and not pay the bill. What will they do?

>>509324073
>Subsidize an animal with food, medicine, and shelter
>They breed out of control, and you must spend ever more.
It's like you bleeding heart people don't understand what happens when you subsidize a behavior. Behavior is largely genetic, so when you help the procreation of parasites, you get more parasites.

In a great turn of irony, the trillions we have spent on archaic hominids in Africa just created more of them to suffer in the hell world they make for themselves.

>>509324424
Without hospitals people would be forced to live a healthier lifestyle or die. They are a crutch on humanity and gave birth to billions of monstrosities that can't survive without constant medical intervention. Humans that never would have made it past infancy 200 years ago are running the world now.

>>509324625
>let the federal government manage healthcare funds for everyone
That would just make everything more expensive

>>509324478
2-3 TRILLION EVERY SINGLE FUCKING YEAR!@!!!!! GET IT THOUGH YOUR GOD DAMN SHIT HEAD!

>>509324665
say “I love Israel!” and I’ll rub your little eunuch nub!

>>509324620
Public-private partnerships coupled with single-payer solve this issue. This is essentially how Medicaid currently works. The member can choose from various plans in their area depending on what provider they'd like to be with.

>>509324738
OY VEY 2-3 TRILLION DOLLAHS? THAT MONEY BELONGS TO ISRAEL GOY

>>509324620
Tell me where the Soviet Union touched you. America will collapse just the same even with our epic free market that's flooded with cheap useless shit while people still don't have access to cheap land and housing.

>>509324683
>I have insurance and just dont pay whatever I'm billed.
in most states they can win a judgement and take money out of your bank accounts, garnish your pay, and lien your house to the point you have to sell. If you want to act like an illegal you have to live like one.

>>509324625
It means the government fucking decides!

It should have also been taken away from illegal immigrants to be fair as they never deserved to have it in the first place...That is what is so fucked up about this crap....

>>509324768
> Public-private partnerships coupled with single-payer solve this issue
Incorrect
>that’s how Medicaid works
And Medicaid is a bloated monstrosity that waste a metric shit ton of money. Thanks for proving my point.

Private-public partnerships is code for corporations getting all of the money they want from their goons in DC.

>>509324604
On the contrary I want to pay in the same amount as everyone else for the same healthcare as everyone else. Everyone from the president of the united states to the humble farmer to the educated professional all paying in their fair share to support one another. Deadbeats and addicts (that's you) would be ejected from the service of course, and cast out into the wilderness until you pay what you owe, memeflaggot.

>>509324669
Make up more shit kid.,

>>509324736
Explain how the top 3 insurance companies continue making record profits? Do they a. magically make more money or b. denying healthcare claims and raising premiums?

>>509324853
lol this stupid nigger doesn’t know anything about the Soviet Union.
Where do you literal inbred niggers even come from?

>>509323962
>says retard propaganda
>doesnt understand how any of this works or why
>emotional outburst of rage
Why are right wingers so violent and murder happy?

>>509324735
In the Name of Jesus this will happen to you. Congratulations, you reap what you sow.

I hope your kid gets taken off the ventilator.

>>509320595
You want them to pay $200 instead of you paying only $5?

>>509324884
okay, continue being braindead

>>509324800
amusing watching cuckservatives cry about the national debt and then push through a bill that increases it by $3 trillion without even a second thought, to the extent that only 1 cuckservative (massie, who should be an independent) dared to speak out on fiscal grounds.

>>509324800
Be a mindless fucking done! Little kids have no fucking idea what we spend on things .

>>509323728
this is it. obama forced the companies to insure people that were uneconomical to insure, you make up the difference. wagies stay getting fucked

>>509324918
Because they lobbied the government under Obama to pass the Affordable Care Act.

This proves that government cannot be involved in our healthcare. They will just give it to the corporations regardless of what you vote for.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.

And I will make sure you do.

>>509320458 (OP)
Americans can change everything by simply in mass not going to work for a week. We will get free healthcare and everything else but crab mentality wont let that happen

>>509324620
Government can afford to operate at a loss and has an incentive to do so.
And before you respond "no it doesn't " - cynicism isn't an argument. Governments provide all sorts of services at a loss, and foreign governments provide health care to their citizens just fine.
Talk to people in other countries some time. Most will gladly tell you they wouldn't trade what they have for the American system.

>>509324887
God damn sure is teenager in here.

>>509324968
Notice how this nigger can’t refute the fact that the ACA is the sole reason the insurance companies are rich and unavoidable.

>>509320458 (OP)
>I'm getting ripped off
>I'm not angry at the people ripping me off
>I'm angry at the people who aren't getting ripped off
You know I really am regretting throwing my lot in with Trump and the general American right wing. These creatures are spiritual niggers. I will never vote again unless Hitler comes back from the dead to run for president.

>>509324918
What is their profit margin?
Of course you never bothered to ask.

>>509325031
> Government can afford to operate at a loss and has an incentive to do so.
Yep. They’re going to operate at a loss as they shovel all of the tax money they can into their corporate buddies contracts.

It’s like you fuckers have no clue how the world works.

>>509320458 (OP)
Put the hospitals rely on medicade patients.
If they go and can't pay or have bills they don't pay instead of medicade paying for it, then they'll have to charge more to make up for it. If the hospitals then charge more, your insurance you pay for will INCREASE.
I hope the sassy little cunt enjoys that.

>>509325006
why do jewish slaves pretend to be offended by corporations raping them?

>>509324929
>Why are right wingers so violent and murder happy?

Because that is how we solve the problem which is mutants like you.

>>509325050
yes actually it's a little known fact that insurers were non-profit enterprises prior to obongocare and the CEOs donated 100% of their pay to charitable causes no one ever went without healthcare, as they say.

>>509324929
>can't refute what I said
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/finance/federal-proposals-threaten-provider-taxes-key-source-medicaid-funding-states

>>509321834
>I dont care if the people who hate me and steal my tax money are rich or poor, only that they are my enemies.
>Votes for the guy who will only import MORE brownoids and give tax cuts to the rich, essentially helping the poor and rich
Retard

>>509324957
I don't take my kids to hospitals retard.

>>509321237
This. Also, anyone can keep their private insurance of they want it. We literally just want the colluding health insurance companies to have some basic competition. The market wills it. The public has spoken. Be more competitive with your pricing, and you'll stay in business. It's a capitalist argument.

>>509325139
Who are you going to kill, Stephen? Stephen Miller?

I hope you are not on White House wifi whilst 4channing.

>>509325139
>>509325100
>>509325046
>>509324982
>>509324900
>>509324864
>>509324738
>>509324642
Anyone else notice this crazy facebook boomer that wandered into /pol/ crashing out?

>>509325139
Screen shot.

>>509324607
I pray that the Lord will enlighten you to actually come to understand just how wrong your statement is.

>>509324924
No one's asking for a completely coupled industry relying only on the government like the Soviet Union.

Most European healthcare still has private hospitals to help balance out the public system. We need a mix of both public and private systems instead of only relying on one or the other.

Kill yourself slack jawed faggot.

>>509320592
does the same apply to the obese

>>509325031
>Most will gladly tell you they wouldn't trade what they have for the American system.
Wow, how surprising, the majority of them take more than they give to their government's coffers. It is unsurprising that they would not want to let go of gibmedats.
Most European countries are on the verge of insolvency, and that's without having to pay for a military for the last 70 years. Worse, they've created an unstable ponzi scheme by which they import shit skins and hand them gibmedats to create more GDP, to then claim that everything is fine. Until that inevitable day where someone notices the emperor isn't wearing clothes, and they're all fucked.

Blows my mind that the most obscenely rich empire in history can't take care of its own people. And their citizens defend them for it. Unreal

>>509322536
>Government healthcare will mean nobody but the wealthiest get treated.
>Only the Wealthiest get treated
>In a healthcare system that prices out anyone not making 7 figures
We have that already dick for brains

>>509325085
Voting for Trump to finish off this shitty country so we can vote for the next Hitler was the point of this whole exercise.

>>509325160
but why did premiums go up? wouldn't the companies just have charged as much as possible back then?

Premiums and deductibles went up because insurance companies have to take on people that are uninsurable.... it's exactly like government flood insurance-- nobody can underwrite your dumbass decision to build in a floodplain the government comes in to force others to pay for your shit decisions

>>509325100
>healthcare should be a business because it just has to be ok?
lol

>>509320458 (OP)
This is good satire and you're all too autistic to realize.

>>509320595
>$5
Lmao nigger, I pay $0

>>509325250
Mutants that want the government to control everything so they can deny it to us which is the entire fucking point

>>509325239
Yeah, you've got ivermectin, good on you.

>>509325315
>We need a mix of both public and private systems

We already have that.

>>509325315
> Government can afford to operate at a loss and has an incentive to do so.
That’s the only way to have single payer without suppliers and contractors overcharging and ripping off the government.

You niggers are so clueless it hurts.

>>509320458 (OP)
Im sorry i dont feel sorry for a faggot that pays 20k for health insurance and isnt heqlthy at all dude is 15 yeara feom death while i sit at home on 4chan shitposting with free health

>>509325297
No, you need to go and read on reaping and sowing, that is a curse from God on Fake Christians who abuse people.

notice all the corpo cocksucker shills SEETHING at the idea of benefiting the US population as a whole kek

these retards will continue to vote against their interests to own the libs

>>509325348
We don't have a country so there is no "own people", the nation is so large we cannot afford to do that anyway, why is basic logic just ignored.

>>509325391
I don't take any medicines made by man retard.

>>509325382
That's too bad you chose to make a death threat tho.

>>509325358
MAGA needs a good taste of what jewish supremacy really means if we are to arrive at our chosen destination.

Things are proceeding as planned.

>>509324073
if the government starts paying for everything they will tell whites to fuck off to the back of the line. they already did it in california during the free vaxx giveaways

>>509320458 (OP)
Sounds like a you problem.

>>509322166
This. Nu/pol/ is too young to remember how affordable health insurance used to be.

Mutts act like single payer system is this insane radical untested idea and not something that nearly every other nation on Earth has. Fucking Brazil figured this shit out. Fucking brainwashed cattle.

>>509325373
See? You don't even know the very basic information yet run at the fucking mouth, this is why the average person should have zero say in political matters.

>>509325364
>Premiums and deductibles went up because insurance companies have to take on people that are uninsurable
No they don't. There's plenty of people running around with No Healthcare Whatsoever.

>>509325514
Your choice, buddy. But not everyone else's.

>>509325571
Most Americans are Jewish in Mind and Soul

>>509320458 (OP)
America doesn't need free healthcare, it needs racial hygiene.

>>509325425
Most people don't have access to the public option. Only elderly and retards on Medicaid.

>>509325466
>idea of benefiting the US population as a whole kek

That is not what it would do!
Also fuck you niggerspicgooks!

>>509321237
>If the US <insert whatever reason>
bro you don't need to come up with some reason. it's the richest country in the fucking world. if you think we can't afford healthcare for everyone you're retarded or a sucker

>>509325466
>all the corpo cocksucker shills SEETHING at the idea of benefiting the US population as a whole kek
I don't give a shit what happens to the US population as a whole, it stopped being a real country after hart-cellar. It's just a gay economic zone now, and anything that takes more of my money via taxes, is bad. Simple as. I don't give a shit if laqueesha can't afford her insulin after eating herself up to half a ton.

>>509325523

Too bad it not a death threat.

>>509325586
lol continue seething, the younger generation is highly in favor of single-payer and it will come eventually. thanks.

>>509325639
Just because people don’t have access to it doesn’t mean our healthcare isn’t an incestuous orgy between corporate and state actors.

Alright, line in the sand.

Don't make a death threat. You're not killing anyone. Ever.

>>509325364
>but why did premiums go up?
because the cost of service went up. go look at insurer operating margins over time, pre ACA. it's flat at 6-8% between 2005 and 2025. are you fucking stupid?

>>509325425
>We already have that.
this, god people are so dumb. There are 3 systems already in the US.
VA Health Care for vetereans - this is full blown socialized medicine, the government employs the doctors and builds the hospitals

Single Payer - medicare / medicaid

"Private" - the insurance based system everyone not in one of the other two is in, whether they buy coverage or not.

>>509325586
Dude. EUROPE. Healthcare is a Public Service. Hell. HAWAII has Public Healthcare.

>>509325714
Kill yourself.

>>509325615
It's not a choice anymore, pal. Survival of the fittest at this point. Sorry you were born an abomination that needs modern medicine to live.

>>509325639
Most people do have gibs care. Thats the problem. A minority is paying for both themselves and everyone else.

>>509325639

We already have that so what that means is you need to be more accurate with your statements rather than just mindlessly repeating platitudes to make low info people rally around you.

>>509325541
“actually being replaced with niggers means we won”

>>509325364
>>509325721
https://companiesmarketcap.com/united-health/operating-margin/ here you go, dumb nigger!

>>509325666
Oh I know we can. But I would like to see us spending less on stupid shit, especially if it convinces retards who think we can't afford it.

>>509320458 (OP)
My health insurance premiums are 100% employer paid and my max out of pocket for my wife and son is 3300/yr. I don't believe these tweeted numbers for a second

>>509320458 (OP)
>blaming poor people for why you healthcare is expensive and they won't cover all your shit.

kinda sad.

>>509320458 (OP)
I pay literally $0 a year for health insurance and I live in America.

>>509325705
muh age? really faggot?!

>>509325690
Sorry Stephen, you said it, at least own it. So you think your White House position gives you the authority to stalk people down and kill them?

That's truly unfortunate. Well, at least you are not impersonating a celebrity to do so this time.

>>509325733
Hawaii has the highest wealth disparity in America. There is no middle class over there lol.

>>509325714
Even if I don't want to live on this planet anymore?

>>509325786
Oh look suddenly this nigger is afraid of a rise in antisemitism.

>>509325708
Meh no more than anything else. It is not as bad as you all demand it be.

>>509325822
say it with me lad, single payer is coming and there's nothing you can do about it

>>509325571
every other country on earth also has university admissions. how are ours going btw? at least with our current health care system you don't have some massively fat shit colored retard deciding if your children are eligible for admissions into the hospital

>>509325764
Aw, nice try.

I have Jesus in my heart. And a high IQ with alot of confidence.

You tried tho..

>>509325832
So why are you complaining?

>>509321638
People don't realize how expensive modern medicine is especially with young people all subsidizing boomers rotting away with 50 comorbitities for the last 10 years of their lives. Healthcare will never be cheap.

>>509320458 (OP)
I hope they do kick millions of people off medicaid that way more people get radicalized into supporting single payer universal healthcare.

>>509325639
>Only elderly and retards on Medicaid.
40% of the population is on those programs

>>509325826
Pfft

>>509320458 (OP)
the root cause?
jooos
it's always the jooos
there you go

>>509325881
Of course, but I’m not going to sit here and tolerate these literal fucking children saying we need to hand over the entire industry to the same government that hands everything over to corporate kikes.

>>509325765
I don't care about YOU or your opinion.

Eat horse paste. Perfect for horses.

>>509325705
Young people are always for "progressive" policies, because they have nothing, and are too stupid to understand the negative costs with those policies.

They either grow up, that is, get a job, pay taxes, and have enough encounters with reality that they stop voting progressives. Or they never actually launch, and become spiteful mutants living off the dole. The third, rarer path, is that they go into academia, and live lives completely insulated from reality, so they keep parroting the same stupid shit until they die of old age, or get shanked by a darkie having a mental health crisis, since those types have zero self preservation instincts around darkies

/pol/ doesn't believe in free markets, they just want white people to do things out of the goodwill of their hearts. Ask somewhere that cares.

>>509325904
Single payer is never coming after Covid. Trust in the state’s ability to handle heathcare has never been lower.

>>509322315
I was on medicaid last year, basically if you make like $1000 a month you don’t qualify, so you have to prove you’re working but also insanely poor while working.

It’s the same way with cash assistance, basically you get $700 a month (that was what I had with a wife and two kids) but as soon as you earn $100 a month that reduces the cash assistance to $600 then.

This is in Denver where renting a room is $1200 a month - I had to borrow money from family just to stay qualified for medicaid and cash assistance. Much better now, I hate living in the city but I lose my clients if I move to the mountains.

>>509325571

Mindless drones act like there are not legit issues of money and scale involved.

>>509320458 (OP)
I pay $82.64 per paycheck, $2148 in premiums per year, (My employer pays about another $3000) and that's for an HMO (Kaiser). Pretty much everything is covered, I have no deductible, and I just have to pay copays for in-person visits. Sometimes I have OOP expenses, but they are very minor. Not sure why this person is allowing himself to be ripped off.

>>509325817
I had employer based and ACA based health care and I paid my share.

>>509325947
Single payer doesn't address the underlying issue that we are keeping people alive who have no business being alive. Deep cuts and rationing is the only way to keep costs down. Sometimes.you just gotta pull the plug on grandma.

>>509325850
No.

>>509325879
if you think the enemy is going to show mercy then you’ve ascended past politics and entered hyperfaggot realm

just go full troon and neuter yourself already

>>509320458 (OP)
Get an Rx card dipshit

>>509326042
No way dude, the government is going to give them stuff anytime now, as soon as the boomer are gone, boom no working for a living utopia!

>>509322235
It isn't even true. Democrats had a super majority and passed the ACA (Obamacare) with 0 Republican votes, allowing no discussion, or even allowing for enough time to read the bill. All the problems with our healthcare can be laid upon their feet as they completely shutdown any input or avenue for improvements while getting everything they supposedly wanted which basically ended up as the worse of both worlds.

>>509325971
I'm saving this thread.

>>509320592
For that amount, he could just put it into a savings account and pay for any and all healthcare expenses out of pocket.

>>509325991
Nor should you\we.

>>509326162
Yes, RX cards cut alot of costs too,

>>509326042
"The negative costs with those policites"

Healthcare is not a business. The US would be better off if we stopped sucking corpo insurance dick. The whole premise of "insurance used to be cheaper before ACA" is null once single payer is implemented.

>>509326008
It's not an opinion. Your losing your gibs and having a meltdown.

>>509325991
Like the corporate kikes that occupy USG don't also own the healthcare industry. They print the money. They own everything and everyone.

>>509321237
I dont pay for (((insurance))) or ever use the (((medical system))) anyway. Why would you actually pay money to live longer than you have to? Placebo is more powerful than pharma anyway, believe it!

>>509326042
I truly believe voting age should be restricted 30 years old to 60. After that you’re cut off.

When you’re young you’re too easily cowed by bullshit fantasy and by the time you’re 70 you realize what you did and vote the opposite way no matter what the rationale is

>>509326209
You can opt for a Health Savings account too. This guy is an illiterate asshole.

>>509326186
LOL okay great, real proud of you.

>>509325786
Jewish power is in it's last days. You had it all and you fucked it all up. You did this to yourselves.

>>509320946
>Common rightoid brain diseases opinion
>being able to spare 200 dollars is considered "rich" by lefttards now

Wow, what a sensible take from a financially illiterate (needless to say, leftist) moron

>>509326260
Further reason why we should never, EVER let single payer be taken seriously. It’s the biggest Trojan horse ever to sell our entire health industry to the kikes who want us dead.

>>509320458 (OP)
Health insurance is expensive as fuck for the same reason car insurance is, the system still has to process millions of people who aren't paying. Liberals and retarded Europeans purposefully leave this part out.

When Ray Ray shoots off his foot playing a high stakes game of whack-a-nog and goes to the emergency room he gets treated, no matter what. That cost has to come from somewhere. This is why medical care is so fucking expensive, because nogs, beaners and white trash still use it and pay nothing. Every shitty fent addict who's in the ER once a week for an overdose costs money. Every beaner who fell off a ladder because his blood sugar was all fucked up from too much "goga gola" costs money.

Hospitals charge the paying people more to cover those losses. The insurance companies are primarily how most people pay so that cost gets passed on. This isn't rocket science, when you're giving a bunch of shit away for free to some people other people pay for it.

America has the best quality healthcare on the planet when you disregard cost because it's a for profit business here. This creates an environment where innovation and quality thrive. If you turn this over to that government it ceases to be for profit and it will be run at the lowest functional cost possible. Imagine every MVA, public bus, subway, post office, a cavalcade of loud black women ON DEY BREAK but it's a medical emergency.

And the entire world would suffer. Half the medical innovations EVERYONE benefits from came out of the USA because our for profit system allows it.

>>509326247
>Healthcare is not a business.

All of the factors of supply and demand, scarcity etc... will still apply even if your precious government controls the system.

>>509325031
I'm a swedish american dual citizen and the swedish healthcare system was so shockingly atrocious and primitive when i lived there I'd just wait til i traveled to the US to fix my problems

>>509326300
I think voting should be restricted to home owners with children. Nobody else.

>>509326061
jeez dude get with the program, here's how they all do it on the US side of the mexican border:
- get kids diagnosed with ADD or some other made up disability. Paid for by medicaid
- now you qualify for more SSI
- sell the kids medicine for cash
- work under the table
- report just enough to max bennies

>>509322301
Move to Canada or the UK.

>>509326258
I don't "hab" "gibs" you illiterate skunk monkey. I pay for my shit.

You're a horse and you can keep getting ridden like one.

>>509326300
They had it right to begin with, only land owners or other select individuals should be allowed to vote.

>>509326353
israel is doing great actually they’ve successfully split the american right

>>509326409
Only if their grandfathers were American citizens.

>>509326353
I wish that was true but it is not.

>>509320595
The average American is so cucked, so golemised, so circumcised, so subservient that he doesn't question why he is paying $700 for a medicine that is available for $5.

>>509326247
sucking dick, eh?
draining the swamp, eh?
like this, eh?
it's the jooos....

>>509326424
I'm not the retard that needs modern medicine to live. You've been kept alive long enough. Nobody is paying for your healthcare anymore.

>>509326383

They simply shut off when presented with this argument.

Uh you "WILL" be doing is shutting the fuck up or you and your death threats go viral.

Ok, I don't play games with people.

POST ANOTHER THREAD ON 4CHAN. I'll wait.

>>509326401
But but but but muh free.

>>509326489
That’s because of the ACA’s regulation on negotiating drug prices between pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies.

>>509326362
$200/month is unironically out of reach for most americans, even most whites. america is profoundly poor to the extent that $2k stimulus gibs check yielded the single greatest increase in savings rates in recorded amerimutt history. it's basically a third world nigger country with 80" tvs and $80k SUVs on an 84 month loan.

>>509326489
It gets explained to you again and again but it is all so religious for you monsters that you ignore it.

>>509326475
Well after birthright citizenship gets revoked we shouldn't have to worry about that because deportation will fix it.

>>509322755
I paid $80/ mo with $2500 deductible for individual coverage (no employer contribution) before Obamacare and then my plan was deemed illegal, so I went without health insurance for 3 years because the cheapest Obamacare plan was $165/ mo with a $6000 deductible. The one with a $2500 deductible was $220/ mo.

>>509326555
IN the NAME of JESUS, I DARE YOU TO COME AFTER ME.

DO IT. I curse you before YHWH in the NAME OF JESUS.

I hope you can handle the truth buddy. Steve Bannon.

I want you to death threat me ONE MORE TIME.

>>509326409
same. home OWNERS, not poorfags in mortgage debt for 30 years.

>>509322896
You could have done that shit yourself and closed it with a fucking bandaid.

So this is the power of American healthcare... whoa
>But that's because of fat people
Whoa got dang yeah its almost like when an industry profits from people being unhealthy it will do everything to keep people unhealthy like lobbying to allow poison in our food!

>>509326723
That wasn't a death threat you illiterate retard. That is a fact. Without modern healthcare, which you are about to lose, you will die. That's why you are throwing a hissy fit.

>>509326873
We'll see, fat fuck. We'll see.

>>509326866
Notice it starts dropping after the ACA was passed.

>>509322976
Yeah, we all see how government involvement lowered tuition and home prices.

YHWH holds everyone accountable for their words.

>>509326926
Ohhhh. You're a bot. I'm sorry, carry on.

>>509326975
see >>509324316 dumbass.

>>509325160
>it's a little known fact that insurers were non-profit enterprises
Non-profit health insurance companies in the US include:

Affinity
American Postal Workers Union Health Plans
AmeriHealth Mercy/Independent Blue Cross
Arkansas BlueCross BlueShield
AultCare Health Plans
AvMed, Inc
Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Mississippi
Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Rhode Island
Kaiser Permanente
Health Care Service Organization
Himark, Inc.

According to statistics provided by The Alliance for Advancing Nonprofit Health Care, more than 60% of the health insurance providers in America with at least 100,000 subscribers are nonprofit organizations.

>>509326606
>(((pharmaceutical companies))) and (((insurance companies))).
Exactly.

I'm so damn tired of assholes threatening to kill people on a talk board when they are nobody. Jesus destroy them all.

>>509327025
Why are you treating private insurance as if it’s not regulated and MANDATED by the federal government?

You’re being disingenuous.

>>509326412
>just make shit up
ADD claims for disability are usually always denied and are typically not considered disabling when it comes to SSI/SSDI.

Why make shit up?

>>509327015
Blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah

>>509325364
>but why did premiums go up? wouldn't the companies just have charged as much as possible back then?
They went up because
>They could no longer deny coverage based on preexisting conditions
>They made things like preventive care, women's' health, and mental health mandatory
>There is an Out of Pocket Max
>Kids can stay on parents' insurance until 26
It cost more to insure because of new requirements.

>>509326247
See what I mean? You're probably in your 20s, at most. You haven't even figured out that incentives are behind every single human behavior.

Make something free, especially a finite resource, and the incentive is to use as much of that resource as you possibly can. Same reason setting out a crate of free food just means one guy will come by and grab the entire fucking thing.

Healthcare is not an infinite resource. The amount of time a doctor can give to any given patient is a function of how many patients he has. More people using his time, means less time per person, and sloppier results. We already see how that pans out in socialized healthcare in the UK and canada. Everyone gets access to healthcare, but it's trash tier healthcare with massive wait times.

Money happens to be a really good moderator of that behavior. Tell someone they have to pay X for Y, and they will only buy Y if the value of Y is greater than the value of X to them.

A lack of understanding of supply and demand, and incentive structures should prevent one from voting. It would solve most of the stupid failure states of democracy if weasel politicians couldn't rile up absolutely stupid people to back their dumbass self serving policies.

>>509327088
Blue Cross blue shield allowed a switch to for-profit in 1994. Long before ACA.

>>509327187
the ACA no insurance penalty ended six years ago. small businesses (under 50 FTE) have no mandate to provide health insurance. insurance is regulated by the government to manage risk, insurance audits are focused on capital reserves. keep trying.

>>509326383
And someone will inevitably go MUH FINLAND like a retard. Finland is a high trust white ethnostate with a population smaller than Dallas-Ft Worth. It's the gay socialist version of some kid blowing up a balloon and letting it sputter around the room and thinking he invented a new form of flight.

>>509327452
> the ACA no insurance penalty ended six years ago
So by your own statement you acknowledge that it had 9 years to completely change the way the private insurance industry worked.

Fucking retard lmao. Not when mentioning the contract negotiation regulations between pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies that is the reason why prices are so fucking expensive.

Kill yourself.

>>509324112
I love you get to keep your own doctor retards from the 90’s.

Same faggots “we will be communist pinkos and haf to share apartments like commie russia. And we’ll have to share our gol durn cars..

Meanwhile 20 years later we’re sharing cars, housing, and we pay 20% and premiums and still have to use in network doctors.

Universal healthcare would fail if corporate interests made it fail. It would suck because greedy politicians and their cronies would find ways to siphon money to themselves through third party private corporations contracted to “save tax payers money” but instead they pay in taxes and then increasing higher fees for lesser quality service with no oversight.

This leads to unanswered phone lines and automated email death loops or waiting on hold for 3 hours to have an operator in Dehli hang up on you, especially if it’s not a problem on their prompt screen.

Your time is almost over boomer. Hell awaits. I assure you.

We are tired of your excuses that nothing can be fixed. It can once the paradigm changes.
The military is not perfect but we outmatch everyone in the world.

If they spent even half that same effort on their citizens lives we could outmatch the world on every other problem too.

>>509327452
I wonder when these people last were on ACA? Anyone can admit it was shit at the start, but it's had several changes since it was first passed.

I was on it for a year a few years ago and it was cheaper than any of the insurance I got from working at Fortune 500 companies.

>>509327278
I was just pointing out that most health insurance in the US is provided by (nominally) non-profit corporations. This has nothing to do with the ACA.

>>509327583
>Not when mentioning the contract negotiation regulations between pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies that is the reason why prices are so fucking expensive.
i'm INTIMATELY familiar with this, just to hint at what i do for a living. it's because there is no provision against scamming you. PBMs make money on commercial client fees and rebate capture. again, you're a fucking retard. >>509322976

>>509327627
lol these niggers are just making shit up at this point.
>it was shit at the start
For 9 years, faggot. It destroyed the industry and delivered billions into the pockets of a handful of corporations.

>>509327651
Sorry. Some people use ACA as the reason some health insurance companies switched to for-profit.

>>509327703
If you’re intimately familiar with this yet are still defending the ACA that means you’re A FUCKING KIKE.

Kill yourself, you fucking demon. You know exactly how you’re exploiting Americans by defending this bullshit.

>>509327627
>on ACA
The ACA is still with us and is still causing insurance premiums and deductibles to be much higher than they were before. But yes, way fewer people are on those ripoff Exchange plans.

>>509327809
These niggers are literally pharma KIKES astroturfing. They need to kill themselves immediately.

>>509327799
americans are being exploited by private health insurance. you are a retard.

>>509326383
And further more the original tweet is probably from some dipshit who refuses to learn how insurance works and just pays out the ass for the most expensive one because he's an overpaid retard

If you have that kind of money you spend on insurance you don't buy the most expensive insurance and pay out the ass for a gorillion features you do not need. Stupid assholes will pay $20,000 a year so that their deductible is $5000 cheaper because they can't into math.

The more money you make the LESS you should be paying for insurance because you can afford the out of pocket cost and unlike your premium that's not a guaranteed expenditure. But too many Americas are too stupid to understand this, they think most expensive means best, it's why we're the Jews favorite country, all the money, no fucking sense.

>>509327880
tick tock, kike. Kill yourself before we make the gas chambers for all of you kikes defending the scam that is the ACA.

>>509327809
Are you sure you understand tho, they are now "state exchanges" not the federal exchange.

Are you even keeping up with this at all or you are too goddamn evil to even bother?

>>509327946
DEATH THREATS AND ANTISEMITIC STATEMENTS.

>>509326568
They were never on to begin with these "people" are semi sentient yeast

>>509327946
sorry but im going to deny your claims and increase your rates by 50% and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

>>509327917
>The more money you make the LESS you should be paying for insurance because you can afford the out of pocket cost and unlike your premium that's not a guaranteed expenditure. But too many Americas are too stupid to understand this, they think most expensive means best, it's why we're the Jews favorite country, all the money, no fucking sense.


Truth

>>509327626
>siphon money to themselves through third party private corporations
That's what insurance companies do now to get around maximum profit margins in ACA.

>>509327976
So what you’re saying is if we repeal the ACA we will instantly allow increased national competition?
>>509328028
You’re going to get cooked, nigger kike. This is what happens when you kill Americans via purposely fucked up healthcare policy.

Report me. We both know the FBI agents monitoring this thread agree with me just like they agree with Luigi.

>>509328068
Thanks, Obama!

>>509327976
So? Very few people use it because it's a major ripoff.

>>509322896
Ironically you have a bad example and shown why socialized healthcare can be bad thing, especially with nons around.
That is using the time of hospitals for nonsense, you should have taken care of razor cut yourself

In fact one of the reason socialized healthcare works in Europe because people have this understanding of "common good" and not bothering the doc and using common resources for nonsense, and people use the doctor only when its actually needed.

Of course the nonwhite parasites dont have this feature in their genetics and they will use doctor for every little thing, wasting all the resources and time. As pointed out here >>509322882 , the nons use FIVE TIMES more healthcare than native Whites, thats INSANE

>>509328180
No no no you don’t understand. Not allowing competition across state lines is actually a good thing!

>>509328136
Game on. Choose your God and your player and let's get this started.....
You should know where I live already with your illegal hacking on Discord.

I'll be waiting big boy.

>>509328180
Not really, I know for a fact that hundreds of millions of people had to report to their states for their coverages this past year.

>>509328251
Who are you arguing with? It's not me.

>>509328327
Not disagreeing with you.

>>509328322
Man if only people could shop for insurance providers from different states…

Nah can’t do that since it’s obviously antisemitic. Thanks Obama!

>>509328136
GOD since you watch everything I do like a hawk, I want a confrontation with this man.

One on one, face to face and I want him to be held accountable. I demand it in the Name of Jesus.

>>509328322
They had insurance, but very few people get insurance through the scam exchanges.

>>509328454
Well, you "could" put this into ACA as an ACA option, however, doctors are notorious for not taking out of state insurance.

>>509328513
you won’t do shit

>>509328562
Believe what you want.

>>509328613
You're right, I won't.

He will. It's time you all learned about How God really is.

>>509328600
> however, doctors are notorious for not taking out of state insurance.
Because they have no protections for insurance ripping them off.

Notice how this fucking kike tries to shift blame to the doctor when the doctors are at the full mercy of the insurance companies because of the fucking ACA.
Doctors can’t even legally inform their patients of the negotiated rate that the insurance companies pushes on them.

Kill yourself, kike.

>>509328685
Because insurance is not held accountable for even abiding by their own plans.

>>509328753
As legally allowed thanks to the ACA.

>>509328685
Aw sweetheart, you leave such a large internet thumbprint.

You realize that insurance pays the doctor after we pay the insurance, or does this escape you?