Thread 509358634

How do you feel about USA abandoning Ukraine?

>>509358634 (OP)
I'm happy about it actually.

russians have mongoloid heads, but it's their small mongoloid brains inside that count

>>509358634 (OP)
Bad. I'd prefer we just started bombing it.

Would have to run this decision through Tel Aviv first...get back to you on it.

>>509358634 (OP)
we shouldn't have been supporting them since that stupid fucking nigger obama fucked up and gave away crimea

>>509358634 (OP)
Why were they even there in the first place if Ukraine isn't NATO?

>>509358634 (OP)
It should have happened years ago

>>509358634 (OP)
Pretty good.

>>509358634 (OP)
I like it.

I can feel the savings already.

>>509358634 (OP)
Great move, we never should have gotten involved

>>509358634 (OP)

I'm sick of someone else getting my money.
I want MY money that I MAKE to goto ME.

Fuck the Ukraine.

>>509358634 (OP)
Hey bub your window is cracked

They had their fun watching North-East Russians getting into a bare knuckle fight against South-West Russians and got NATO to buy their gas and overpriced weapons. It's still a W for them and a big L for Europe.

>>509358992
Burisma money, to balkanize Russia, weaken Iran/China...deluded belief that full spectrum dominance can still be achieved.

>>509358634 (OP)
hey pidor, your jig is up.

>>509358741
How am I first to say fpbp

>>509359103
hey pidor

>>509358634 (OP)
probably for the best.
but could you hurry up and finish it?
why can't you take ukraine after 3 years., no wait, 10 .

Glad. I wish Trump and company had the balls to admit that the US started it.

>>509358634 (OP)
The did it for Israel. No greater cause, imo.

>>509358634 (OP).

You are Far Right, Ukraine is a democracy. Why as a 100% Far Right National Socialist (non-groyper) White American should I care for a state that is run by jews, and globohomo?

>>509359367
Probably wind up being 1pbtid too

>>509358992
We made a deal to guarantee their sovereignty in exchange for them giving up their remaining nuclear weapons.

>>509358634 (OP)
>How do you feel about USA abandoning Ukraine?
eurocucks are next for the rape vans

>>509358634 (OP)
Like the whole thing was gay as fuck to begin with.

>>509358634 (OP)
Its a good thing.
America supported them, but Americans dont want forever war.
Ukranian leadership seems to want to bring in europeans and americans to die in their trenches and fight forever until total victory over moscow, rather than accept a white peace.
If they want forever war they can fight it alone. Jews can profit from their corpses. But they are wrong to try to bring in little boys from other country to die while their women suck cock abroad. They should call their women home to fight LMAO

>>509359388
>why can't you finish it
russians are about to have a rude awakening. First they can't take Ukraine in over 3 years, then get kicked out of Armenia, then Syria, then lose Iran, now Azerbaijan, Chechnya is next ... it looks like russia itself will collapse in the next couple of years.

>>509358634 (OP)
Feels good man
Fuck this vietnamese province. Hate their kike

>>509359774
>in the next couple of years.
just two more ukraines, experts say

>>509359537
Posting fake images is a good intelligence litmus test

>>509358634 (OP)
it's what the jews decided because the jewish homeland is under attack

>>509359862
>two more ukraines
You can't even take this one, you dumb pidor. Has pootin duped you again?

>>509359774
we just need to give them another 2 weeks to raise their eyebrows or something i guess honestly tired of it now though. i want to go visit my family in moscow again

>>509358634 (OP)
What are you, an anti-semite?
The USA hasn't abandoned ukraine, but obviously our greatest Ally gets first dibs on money and arms.

What's with the obsession on israel? Nazi!

>>509359964
>Posting fake images is a good intelligence litmus test
indeed

>>509360251
>muh putin
putin was put ther by yeltsin, your man you stupid dumb american ignorant nigger animal

>>509358634 (OP)
It should have happened 3 years ago.

>>509358741
fpbp. As a burger, the only country I hate more than The Ukraine is, of course, Israel.

>>509358634 (OP)
The US is a Christian nation and God commands us to serve the Chosen.

>>509359515
'We' didn't do shit. The deal was with the security council and the only binding stipulation was bringing up the topic the UN

>>509360721
to the UN*

>>509360489
So why would you post fake images, retard?

>>509360584
>putin was put ther by yeltsin
and you pidors loved him for 25 years. but, as every russian czar he's a retard out of touch... this is also how the USSR fell, by the way:
"Wage arrears in Russia in the first quarter of 2025 increased threefold compared to the end of 2024: "Izvestia", citing a report by the General Confederation of Trade Unions (GTU), states that according to trade union estimates they reached 2.4 billion rubles. The document emphasizes that the main non-payments are concentrated in the industrial production sector."

"Miners at the Inskaya mine in Kuzbass, who have not received their wages since September 2024, have announced new protests. After unsuccessful attempts to receive what was owed, which exceed 65 million rubles, the workers are planning mass meetings at the Kemerovo and Belovo administrations. The miners intend to appeal to the Russian president."
https://www.solidarnost.org/news/shahtery-inskoy-gotovy-protestovat-iz-za-dolgov-po-zarplate.html

>>509358634 (OP)
i honestly stopped caring since there was no progress, tho i still support Ukraine personally.

>>509360721
The Budapest memorandum was a signed agreement between 5 different countries. I have no idea what dumb horseshit you are talking about.

>>509358634 (OP)
Very good actually.
Fuck hoholpiggers, hope they die.

>>509358634 (OP)
its been 4 years
global attention span only lasts 3 at most.
even the fucking moon landing can't keep the public entertained forever
ukain should have settled favorably while biden was in power and get it over with but of course thats impossible with an comedian in power

>>509358634 (OP)
The whorebasket of Europe?

>>509359515
stupid deal then

Feels good man

>>509359515
>>509361433
Yeah and it's misrepresented constantly.
After the USSR breakup, Ukraine had possession of a bunch of soviet warheads they couldn't use for anything other than something to trade in negotiations. It's not the big deal shills make it out to be, nuclear warheads that you can't deploy on your enemies are more of a liability than anything else.

>>509358634 (OP)
Hoping the price of gunpowder and lead goes down.

>>509358634 (OP)
Great

It's a script. Pit the people against eachother. Orchestrated by higher ups by any means necessary to torment disdain hatred and rage at one another. Extermination. The peasants both sides blind to REALITY

>>509361932
that's a funny meme

>>509361808
>>509359515
>guarantee their sovereignty
Also, this is wrong.
It is not "guarantee sovereignty"
It is "respect sovereignty"
Major difference as to the implied responsibility of resolving future conflicts and boundary disputes.

>>509361906
>Yeah and it's misrepresented constantly.
that's what you're doing, pidor
>nuclear warheads that you can't deploy on your enemies
Ukraine had ICBM's, strategic bombers, tactical nukes. Out of those 3 Ukraine could've used the last two without any problems if it kept them, and ICBM's with some tinkering, as was suggested by Kuchma. Kuchma was the prime minister of Ukraine during that time (later 2nd president) and was actually a rocket engineer and CEO of the Yuzhmash, which was the largest Soviet enterprise specializing in the production of rocket and space technology, including ICBM's.

Pleased. Fuck Ukraine. I'd rather be on good terms with Russia.

>>509361906
>just some nuclear warheads, no big deal
You must have missed the last few weeks, where we were about to go to war with Iran just to stop them from ATTEMPTING to get a nuclear weapon.

>>509362702
instead of shitposting here you could have volunteered, what a pathetic faggot you are.

>>509359862
>pic
did they issue a refunds?

Ukraine is a dead country. Fuck Ukraine.

>>509362702
Wtf? Based Russians?

>>509358634 (OP)
2 more weeks

it was immediately followed up with doubling down on support for israel, so it's not really anything worth celebrating

>>509359774
For me, it's the Republic of Kalmykia.

>>509362971
jesus christ i havent' seen that face in a decade.. dude used to be all over /fit/
forget his name

>>509358634 (OP)
Shocked
How could we see this coming?
Oh, wait

>>509362702
I agree with Demetri there.

>>509358634 (OP)
Didnt happen. Wiesbaden is working overtime.

>>509363103
>Trump suckling off putin
Keep it realistic, he's sucking kike dick dummy.

>>509362512
>2025
>still peddling the retarded nook shit
Ukraine never had any nuclear weapons any more than Italy or Turkey do now.
>Out of those 3 Ukraine could've used the last two without any problems if it kept them
At no point in time did they have an option to "keep them". Handing them back to Russia was part of articles of dissolution of the Soviet Union, ie a precondition to Ukraine's independence.

>>509358634 (OP)
Giving them more support than anyone else plus almost a trillion dollars is abandoning them?

>>509363067
Klokov, time surely flies

>>509358634 (OP)
It’s fine. Ukrainians are Russians in denial anyway and I have no interest in being involved in yet another Slavic civil war

>>509363297
They probably never had access to launch codes either.

>>509363297
>>Ukraine never had any nuclear weapons any more than Italy or Turkey do now.
They did have tactical nukes and MRBMs.
The MRBMs nor the tactical nukes had codes.
Not that "muh codes" would've stopped them had they been determined. They built your Satan-1 ICBMs.

>>509363488
If they had been allowed to keep any, they would have been sold by now anyway.

>>509363488
To follow up on this before some fucking retarded mongolmutt replies to me:
>Indeed, an acknowledged expert in Russian nuclear weapons control indicates that the blocking devices are really “just gimmicks designed to buy time.” In all probability, the Russian ministries in charge of nuclear weapons are still relying on old Soviet security methods … In Russia, [PAL-level] protection is limited to Russian strategic systems.
Lambert, Stephen P. and David A. Miller, "Russia's Crumbling Tactical Nuclear Weapons Complex: An
Opportunity for Arms Control," INSS Occasional Paper 12, Regional Series, USAF Institute for National
Security Studies, U.S. Air Force Academy, Colorado, April 1997.
https://www.foi.se/rest-api/report/FOI-R--1588--SE
From this you can gather that pretty much all of their tactical nukes were like this, because "strategic" in this context means SLBMs and ICBMs.

>>509358634 (OP)
Not happy about it. America should never let Russia win. Ever.

>>509363639
They have had time to build new ones since the 90s. What happened to all the ukrainian geniuses?

>>509363769
>>They have had time to build new ones since the 90s. What happened to all the ukrainian geniuses?
Unironically, they went to Iran.

>>509363640
Because of some jewish movie from the 80s?

>>509358634 (OP)
>>509358916
Bad because they're just transferring support to Israel. I'd still rather have holols have that aid than fucking Israelite Jews, which will only keep pushing more refugees to the West.

>>509358634 (OP)
not my problem. why can't European countries step up to the plate and protect their own?

>>509358634 (OP)
>How do you feel about USA abandoning Ukraine?
I feel like Russia is in for a win, and I support that.
You're alright with me, Ivan-bro.

>>509363812
A country that sells its nuclear scientists would also have sold its nukes.

>>509363953
>why can't European countries step up to the plate and protect their own?
Pull all your military, glowniggers and ngos out of europe. Until that happens, the question is ridiculous.

>>509364011
No it's more a consequence of idiot leftists thinking that their wishes for no need for nuclear weapons or anti-personnel mines translate into reality. You can see the subhuman leftists complaining even today: nuclear power plants lead to muh nukes even if they're thorium, pulling out of APM treatiest "threatens peace."
They're fucking retarded.
I don't see how you can construe the country as "selling its nuclear scientists", they got a job offer that paid much more than anything in Ukraine or Russia would pay.

>>509363949
>french
don't worry you're still sponsoring hoholistan.

The OP seems like typical Igor the liar spin.
The Igors shilling from the Kremlin torture chambers wish to latch onto us criticising our own countries and even though Russia is so laughably terrible and is exactly what we don’t want our countries to end up as the Igors still try because they did very well straight after the covid hoax had ended when people like me were very fatigued with being right all the time and yet having to argue against everything the world can conjure up to get the truth across to people because back then Igor basically masqueraded as us, larped as the “conspiracy theorists” who are always tight to push their (((masters))) absolute bullshit on boomers to get them to support Russian globo oligarchs’ shenanigans. This board is of course banned in shithole dictatorships like russia to real people. Only shills can speak here, if a normal russian person disagrees with an igor in writing igor will denounce them and they’ll go to the gulag (literally & really).
There’s extra cope coming from Russia shills today. For obvious reasons probably. Desperation. Defeat. Death. Denial. Doom. Distopian dikshittery deserving derision.
Go fucking catch a drone on your hump Igor. You are a disgrace to humanity you cucked slave of evil.
>what about (enter w/e)
Not interdasted. You’re worse/as bad as.

>>509363488
>They did have tactical nukes and MRBMs.
There was never any "they". The Soviet Union had some of its nuclear materials and maintenance facilities stationed on territories that nowadays belong to the state of Ukraine. All of them were bound directly to united command in Moscow. And they remained so after SU was gone as per the dissolution accords. That's it.

>>509364005
>1 post by this ID
>thread filled with these "americans" supporting "russia win"
are they at least paying you on time, pidor, or holding up the wages for months like they do to russian miners and factory workers?

>>509358634 (OP)
I don't even like the word abandon. It implies that we owe Ukraine something. We owe Ukraine nothing.

>>509364462
>had some of its nuclear materials and maintenance facilities
look, you retard pidor, there were literally ICBM's in underground silos, strategic bombers on airfields, mobile tactical nukes etc in Ukraine, operated by Ukrainians, ICBMs designed by Ukrainians and built by Ukrainians under the soviet umbrella. If Ukraine kept any of the nukes, there would've been absolutely no issues with maintaining and deploying them if required.

>>509358992
Gotta distract your populace with war before they start thinking they can live better if all the nation's wealth didn't belong to Putin and his jew friends

>>509364462
>All of them were bound directly to united command in Moscow
No they weren't, lmao
You fucking retarded nigger, I just linked the explanation showing that only submarine launched ballistic missiles and intercontinental ballistic missiles had permissive action links. >>509363639
"STRATEGIC" in this context excludes MRBMs and tactical nukes. They had them.

>>509364305
>nuclear power plants lead to muh nukes
I have no idea what world you live in. But I've never read that argument before. The arguments usually revolve more around safety and costs.
>>509364305
>anti-personnel mines
Mining land is one of the stupidest things you can do. You make the land unusable, especially since no one ever trusts the promise that all the mines will be caught when you clear it later.
>I don't see how you can construe the country as "selling its nuclear scientists", they got a job offer that paid much more than anything in Ukraine or Russia would pay.
Do you have problems with your own language? Selling is of course not meant literally here. There are simply hundreds of ways in which ukraine could have kept its scientists, but obviously there was no interest.

>>509364895
>But I've never read that argument before
This argument and leftists in general are basically the reason Germany trashed their nuclear plants and ended up in the state it's in today.
>>509364895
>Mining land is one of the stupidest things you can do
Yeah well it's better than getting occupied by ruslims. The option should always be open. But my point is that they literally say it "threatens peace."
>but obviously there was no interest.
More like no investment. It's hard to top sandniggers with basically unlimited funding, in any case.

>>509358634 (OP)
The USA's oligarchs were never going to do anything but profit off of the Ukraine. How did the Ukrainian nazis not know that?

>>509358634 (OP)
good
fuck em
not our problem
now if only israel could receive the same treatment

>>509358634 (OP)
It's horrible that they won't take care of Ukraine and do everything for them. Oh, my goodness! I can't believe they won't do that! They almost did it!

You know what? The Germans have this. They can send the helmets they sent before. That's all. It's a really good idea. I think everyone will be fine.

Also, you act like you didn't just talk to us about this after Iran. The usa would be at your southern flank if they installed that prince, and would control Chinese oil, since most of their oil comes from Iran. It's a simple process, and you know you'd be upset about that. You get most of your shaheds from Iran.

So, to make sure nothing bad happens, I'm assuming you all agreed on this?

Regardless, can you end the shit soon?

>>509365063
>This argument and leftists in general are basically the reason Germany trashed their nuclear plants
No, they did it after what happened in japan. The arguments at the time were all about safety.

>>509364777
https://cisac.fsi.stanford.edu/news/budapest-memorandum-myths

>To sustain an independent nuclear arsenal, Ukraine would have had to make a huge investment to build the necessary infrastructure at a time when the country’s economy was sharply contracting. Ukrainian officials briefly considered what it would take to retain some strategic nuclear weapons if there were a political decision to abandon the policy of becoming a non-nuclear weapons state. They concluded that Ukraine could not afford the needed infrastructure.

The US should have never been involved in Ukraine

European countries should have carried the burden of Ukraine from day 0 of the war. There is no excuse for a single US dollar being spent in Ukraine especially with Europe endlessly virtue signaling for Ukraine while screaming that Europe is ready for a hot war with Russia

The pro-Ukraine bots always get upset when you say the US should have never been involved in Ukraine then they get quite when you say Europe should have stepped up to fund Ukraine from the beginning of the war. Those say pro-Ukraine bots cry when anyone suggest they should go fight and die on the battlefield in Ukraine

>>509364777
>operated by Ukrainians
Nope. All nuclear weaponry was under Strategic Rocket Forces' command. Ukraine didn't even exist as a proper polity, let alone a militarily independent actor.
>If Ukraine kept any of the nukes
They had no legal recourse to keep anything at all. In fact the Budapest Memorandum happened because they tried to gyp some.
>>509364796
I'm not sure what your sperging is supposed to be about. See above.

& YET THE WAR CONTINUES

LOOKS LIKE WEIMERIMUTTS
ARE AN IRRELEVANT NATION X'D

>>509358634 (OP)
Good.
Ungrateful Ukrainian cunts, whinging they never got enough.

>>509365260
>No, they did it after what happened in japan
Dude, seriously. Google "Atomkraft führt zum Atomstaat und zum Atomkrieg"

>>509365446
>>509365446
>>509365446
THE FACT THAT THE USSR COLLAPSED & YOU ALL WAITED TILL 2022 TO INVADE THE WEST IS HILARIOUS

RUSSIA & AMERICA USED TO BE THE WORLD POLICE FOLLOWING WWII
NOW YOU'RE JUST TERMINAL DECLINE NATIONS XD

>>509365503
>>509365503
>>509365503
HE'S
A RAJEET ANON
LOL. LMAO.

>>509358634 (OP)
Ukrainians are a bunch of assholes. We keep their entire country alive against the 2nd largest army in the world for years. Give them billions in free arms and aide and they call us enemies. They send their leader to lecture us. They demand more. Fuck them.

>>509358634 (OP)
Better late then never. That little nigger Zelenskyy can't even say thank you. Not even once.

>>509365446
Ukraine had 1,900 Soviet STRATEGIC nuclear warheads and between 2,650 and 4,200 Soviet tactical nuclear weapons, as well as 44 STRATEGIC bombers capable of dropping nuclear bombs.
All STRATEGIC nuclear warheads were under the command of the STRATEGIC Rocket Forces.
But Ukraine did have tactical nukes and whatever other MRBMs weren't already chopped up from the INF treaty.
So, at worst, they had a bunch of tactical nukes with no PAL and maybe a mechanical lock. At best, they had MRBMs and tactical nukes. MRBMs did not have PALs. Tactical nukes did not have PALs.

>>509358634 (OP)
I'm happy. About damn time we let slav-niggers fight it out by themselves. They can kill each other well enough without our help.

>>509358634 (OP)
Stupid vodka nigger! Whatever American politicians say in public is the opposite of what will really happen.

>>509359378
>filename
Excuse me but that's a gamestop and that troon is 100% "MADE IN AMERICA".
>>509362512
Read the actual agreement. It's like 3 pages long retard.
Also Ukraine didn't have shit. All those nooks were locked down with codes that only Russia had. That's like saying my wallet magically becomes yours if I leave it at your house.
>>509359515
We promised to guarantee their sovereignty in that we would not attack them. Russia violated this agreement, but US owes Ukraine jack-shit for giving up their stolen nukes.

>>509358634 (OP)
Moist

>>509358634 (OP)
NOT. MY. PROBLEM.

>>509366139
I have honestly no idea why you're foaming at the mouth about PALs. As I've said in my very first post, Ukraine never had any more control or legal rights over nuclear weaponry in its territory than Italy or Turkey do over the US tactical nukes store in theirs.

Who?

>>509367160
>I have honestly no idea why you're foaming at the mouth about PALs
Because you were coping about "muh codes" earlier and now you're coping about "nuh-uh the SRF had them."
>Ukraine never had any more control or legal rights over nuclear weaponry
Yes they did, because the tactical howitzers and such were not under Russian command. No one gives a shit about 1-2 kiloton howitzers, retard. It's basically a firework. They're only good for a deterrence scare. Which would've stopped you faggots.

>>509366395
It's not all that difficult to replace an arming and firing set plus the sensor suite in relative terms. Especially if you are already familiar with the data standards. The difficult bits are already there like the radiation casing on the secondary, the interstage and doped materials (seabreeze etc) the boost gas system, neutron emitters, that sort of thing. The nuke is gonna be a lot less safe (if you miss its still going off lacking a proper failsafe arming system) not self contained and self powered like a modern nuclear weapon but still fully functioning. Plenty of space in a drop tank for external pulse batteries and whatnot if one was to nigger rig a nuke. Granted thermonuclear warheads are designed with very specific internal dimensions so the empty space is a known quantity which is pretty important to the functioning the warhead but simply dispensing with the fusion stage and just using the boosted fission primary with a bigger natural uranium tamper, it's still a nuclear weapon.

Sorry Ukraine but we must support our greatest ally.

Kinda crack you guys smokin' nowadays?

>>509366414
Christ, what porn was she in?
Asking 4 a fren

>>509367857
>Because you were coping about "muh codes" earlier and now you're coping about "nuh-uh the SRF had them."
I never said anything about codes at all. I said all nuclear weaponry was under Moscow's command and legally remained so after the dissolution of SU. Not sure how you keep misinterpreting it in bizarre ways.
>No one gives a shit about 1-2 kiloton howitzers
Tacticals were specifically mentioned in the dissolution accords as the first ones to be transferred, so evidently plenty of people did care, including the US government. A funny sidenote here is these transfers were substantially accelerated after Kravchuk tried to get some of the base commanders to defect to Jewkraine.

>>509358634 (OP)
Enabling the slavs to continue killing eachother is bad for business

>>509359515
You never actually made it binding, and it required Ukraine to be neutral. After the maidan coup that deal was null and void. Ukraine is in this position because of their own actions, a true fuck around and find out story

I just checked
America has paused it’s supply of missiles to Ukraine and it’s because of Israel & Iran and having to defend Israel but also America’s own holdings in thar region it’s bases and what not. America told Ukraine it is
>because our stocks are low at the current moment
so America hasn’t abandoned Ukraine and SURPRISE SURPRISE the (((kremlin))) shills are once again lying their humps off.
So my instinct was right, feel free to check yourselves.
Meanwhile Russia is in the shit with it’s entire pro army already dead, it’s black sea fleet sunk and it’s long range bombers largely blown up Pooton has had to say that he’s CUTTING defence spending because Russia is stone broke.
Voila - the igors are on a porkeys talking mission because their master is screwed.
Maybe Putin should pay out of his own pocket, he’s stolen do much from Russia he’s the worlds richest jew (on paper) now. Yet Igor continues to grovel to the dictator for hump-pats.

>>509368579
>A funny sidenote here is these transfers were substantially accelerated
They were not. They were suspended for a time, then continued.
https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/pikaye13.pdf
Ukraine established TsAU SYaS and Kravchuk let them take all the tactical nukes, despite Kuchma's insistence that they keep some. Then Ukraine only had control over the strategic weapons that are left, but not "operational" control because of the PALs. Let me repeat: TsAU SYaS had control over the strategic nuclear weapons and literally dismantled them. Not the SRF. Russians were prevented from accessing these storage sites for a time, just like with the tactical nukes.

>>509369258
>and it required Ukraine to be neutral
By that line of cope Russia broke the memorandum many times since 2003, with Tuzla Island, with poisoning Ukrainian politicians, with funding separatists in Ukraine. Good cope, fucktard.

>>509361314
>A private company isn't paying out wagies
>That means the state is failing

>>509363488
>They did have tactical nukes and MRBMs.
>The MRBMs nor the tactical nukes had codes.
>Not that "muh codes" would've stopped them had they been determined. They built your Satan-1 ICBMs.
They built tickets yes, they had no infrastructure for nuclear weapons and were broke as fuck you dumb mutt. Giving up the nukes bever was a choice either way, the Mutts and Russians would never let them say no in the first place

>>509369963
>you dumb mutt
Buddy: you're a retarded nigger that brings up "muh coup" like the fucking retard that you are.
You're most likely an apologist for the fact that mongolmutts invaded Ukraine with an FSB agent and Russian soldiers masquerading as separatists, well before the trade union building fire or "muh donbas chillun genocide", killed dozens of Ukrainian civilians, and then shot down a civilian airliner full of White Europeans.
Best case: if you're White, you're a fucking retarded apologist for subhuman asiatics. If you're not, well, that makes sense. You are brown.

>>509365399
>The US should have never been involved in Ukraine
Funny how senators had family members on Ukraninian board payrolls without ever actually working there. It's almost like they had personal interests

>>509358634 (OP)
Now give us the money back.

>>509369391
>Ukraine established TsAU SYaS and Kravchuk let them take all the tactical nukes
Huh? All the tactical nukes were transfered to Russia by May 1992 already, before TsAU SYaS ever existed.
>TsAU SYaS had control over the strategic nuclear weapons
Nah. Jewkrainians tried to unilaterally legally claim the nooks in direct violation of 1991 agreements. So both Russia and US first tried the carrot via Massandra Protocol and Megawatts for Megatons agreement and then switched to sticks and forced the greedy gypsoids to uphold their own obligations, hence the Budapest Memorandum, which is merely a legal scaffolding over a backroom spitroasting.
>Russians were prevented from accessing these storage sites for a time
You keep vacillating liberally between legal control and physical control, which is just silly pilpul.
>and literally dismantled them
No, they were literally transfered back to Russia. And we paid a pretty penny on top.

>>509358634 (OP)
as long as we don't abandon ISRAEL, I'm ok with it.

>>509370810
>All the tactical nukes were transfered to Russia by May 1992 already, before TsAU SYaS ever existed.
Yeah, they were, yet shipments temporarily stopped because, again, they had control. It was only after that, TsAU SYaS was formed.
>between legal control and physical control
It's funny, because you are the one doing this. I am not. You said that the strategic nukes never left Russian custody, but Russians were prevented from accessing the storage sites with the strategic nukes, and it was TsAU SYaS who dismantled them, not Russians.
>No, they were literally transfered back to Russia
>>In late 1993, the Ukrainians began removing warheads from the ballistic missiles. The removal, transportation, and storage were provided by Ukrainian troops.
https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/pikaye13.pdf

>>509358634 (OP)
>How do you feel about USA abandoning Ukraine?

It's a Vietnam for both Moscow and Davos (and Downing Street). Hopefully none of the interested parties get what they want while having to front centuries of ill begotten gains to keep what little remains of their post-colonial fiefs.

>>509371206
>Yeah, they were, yet shipments temporarily stopped because, again, they had control
>It's funny, because you are the one doing this. I am not.
Now it's not even pilpul, just retardation. I have literally used the word "legal" in every post of mine. You're sliding the conversation away towards a moot point about physical accessibility, which is self-evident as the gear was physically in Ukraine.
>Russians were prevented from accessing the storage sites with the strategic nukes
Yup. As I've said in the previous post, Jewkraine issued a unilateral decree forcing themselves on these nukes, so intervention from Russia and US followed.
>it was TsAU SYaS who dismantled them, not Russians.
>The removal, transportation, and storage were provided by Ukrainian troops.
I though I was supposed to be the ESL in this conversation, kek.
>https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/pikaye13.pdf
Perhaps you should try to reread your own source with a clear head, cause it reiterates everything I've said in so many words. The whole situation is not that complicated, just slightly marred by pervasive Ukro-shitlib-myths.

>>509371863
Listen nigger, you're seething, I get it. It's s slav fight to undermine their independence.
>I have literally used the word "legal" in every post of mine
Again: Russian troops did not have custody or command over all tactical nukes like howitzers. It's pretty simple. They were allowed to take the tactical nukes. Shipments stopped at one point. They resumed.
>towards a moot point about physical accessibility
Not really. Again: no PALs, no need for the disable codes. And no, Russian troops were not the only ones with tactical nukes.
>so intervention from Russia and US followed.
And?
>cause it reiterates everything I've said in so many words
The part where Russians did not have custody of the strategic nukes and did not dismantle them, as you incorrectly contradicted? The mentioning of the stopping of shipments of the tactical nukes, which you denied happened two posts ago?

I love Russia

>>509372271
>quotes sentence about _legal_ custody
>ignores it and dedicates entire post to screeching about physical acessibility for the umpteenth time
You should save this level of discourse for an anti-Christian or a racemixing thread or whatever else you'll be assigned to next, PFC Shaniqua Rodriguezberg.
>The part where Russians did not have custody
The part where all nukes legally remained under Moscow's command as per Belvezha Accords and Ukraine and Kazakhstan were to facilitate their physical transfer back to Russia with specific deadlines under Alma-Ata Protocol. Both signed in 1991 and serve as establishing documents for all post-Soviet countries. That's literally it. Everything that happened after is frankly irrelevant and was simply about Jewkraine trying to weasel its way out of it and/or gyp a nook. They never had nukes, they will never have nukes, and soon their wretch frankenstate will cease to exist at all. Cheerio.

>>509373357
>ignores it and dedicates entire post to screeching about physical acessibility for the umpteenth time
Again: you are the one doing this. Ukraine had their tactical nukes and MRBMs (before INF).
>The part where all nukes legally remained under Moscow's command
The Belovezha Accords literally created joint command and control, lmao
“maintain, and retain under joint command, a common military and strategic space, including joint control over nuclear weapons.”

>>509364320
I mean ok ? sure, nominally, like most of Europe.

but personally that sounds like a pretty profitable situation.
France has Rafale deals in Croatia and Greece, Caesar howitzers ordered by Lithuania and Ukraine, Scorpène subs in talks with Poland, Thales signing radar and drone packages across the region and so on, related stocks going up, lot of jobs in tech opening up because of that

with the US slowly stepping back, guess who’s filling the industrial vacuum? not Germany.

strategic autonomy was never cheap, but it’s paying off. Still I'd have preferred us just keep their stuff, not send it all to kikes instead it's so retarded

>>509358634 (OP)
Overjoyed. I've vocally advocated for this IRL since they first started teasing it during COVID

Yeah

>>509358634 (OP)
>How do you feel about-ACK

3 years too late

90% pro, Europe should be pulling most of the weight or even better Ukraine should give Russia what it wants so they can stop genociding their young men for practically no reason, if Russia pushes to countries after that they'd be impeding on NATO and then I would suggest full scale euro and american defense, its possible that Russia could get their chunk of Ukraine and quiet down for another decade

>>509358634 (OP)
good because I fucking hate ukrainians

>>509374226
Do you genuinely care about Ukrainian really ? It's a great occasion to test, improve and grow tech and equipment which had been sadly discouraged for dozen of years by previous "police of the world" US governments, de Gaulle had to force to keep our military sovereignty. Becoming military independent doesn't happen in a day, and requires some real world experience to solidify, which Putin provides us with this war at little cost (only Russia and Ukraine really pay with lives). There won't be better opportunities if the USA is suddenly going their way (good grief, just a bit late). It's not your problem anymore


Your equipment and funding will go to Israel again anyway so not like there's a moral high ground to have.

>>509358634 (OP)
Yesterday saygon
Today kabul
Tomorrow Kyivagina

>>509373724
>profitable
If you think hohols are going to give back those loans I have bad news

>>509374941
That's peanuts compared to what a finally independent Europe militarization would bring mid and long term, given France position in that regard. This is no coincidence that this has been pushed by our gov for years before even this conflict.
Well sure there'll be some hippies antiwar protesting but they'll eventually get bored.

>>509363343
>slavic civil war
3 words that perfectly sum up why its not our war to get involved in

>>509365677
yeah I saw Zelensky talking shit recently and it blew my mind, we support their war massively for years with enormous money and weapons donations and then we take a couple steps back because the conflict is unending and he jumps right to telling us our leaders and people are wrong

>>509358634 (OP)
I like mushrooms

>>509358741
FPBP.

Our countries are collapsing, why do I care if there is a gay pride in Kiev?

>>509359388
For real man. A fucking 10 year war with modern tech? Even WWII was losing steam by 1943 and they were still using bolt actions.

>>509358634 (OP)
Damn, the shockwave broke his screen

>>509374845
i said i mostly support abandoning Ukraine

>>509358634 (OP)
>abandoned
not possible, never supported them in the first place, jews stealing wealth and government to jew jew agenda wasn't support by me.

>>509375234
>mid and long term
hahahahahaha surrender monk guy really think russia will give you that time?
now that russia is not fighting 1v2 against both the ukraine and the usa, it is matter of weeks before holols line start crumbling and surrender
and then europe is finished
russia losses are so small compared to their population of able fighting men
really what europe gonna do when millions of men roll over butthurt belters, poland and so on? nothing, not without daddys USA cock in their ass
and even if france or germany attempted to stop being militarily irrelevant and gave threats, a few nukes will quickly shut them up, easy once the us and their iron dome go byebye
and russia got even stronger, only retarded cocky frog like you doesn't see it : russia just got years of modern war experience at minimal cost (it took long because preserving ressource), and worst : europe is now completely empty of equipment and money they gave all that to piggies, they are low on gas since we kept it from them....
honest many your countries citizen even wish russia invade them so they can finally afford food and energy without doing into debt

>>509374226
why you pretend the USA stays at NATO? trump and putin share many things
NATO gives 0 benefits to americans, only cost
europe = dead, gives nothing to the USA
russia = cheap energy, ressources, white traditional values

america first is all that matter and nato is not america first, cold war is over and new alliances can be made between countries who matter

>>509358634 (OP)
>abandoning

Why are we supposed to defend them? Why is this our job? Why did the left go from attacking the US for being world police to screaming with rage that we aren't starting ww3 over Ukraine?

>>509377913
Exactly, leftists are stuck in cold war and can't understand russia is no enemy, it's even a good ally to have (natural resources, no degenerate values, vast geographic reach...) while europe brings 0 valuable aspect and is dying if not already dead
usa is better off with russia than them it's just being pragmatic

>>509358634 (OP)
what's Ukraina?

>>509359515
wrong on all counts

the US has to route everything to israel, ukraine is done I guess the ukrainian regime can still grift and syphon a bit but
other than that nope

>>509378986
does putins cock taste good???

>>509359774
What the fuck is this?

>>509379425
does american cock taste good? its over
between israel aggression and ukrainian defense the US made her choice

>>509359388
>>509375665
Because they are fighting a war of attrition against YOU, retard.

They want to be left at an advantageous geopolitical position in the end. Starting a prelude to WW3 by arriving to the borders of Poland with 8000s tanks in armored columns after massive, WW2 tier losses is much less of a good outcome, that simply shelling away ukraine in an extended border conflict and let the west pull out of an unwinnable war after ten years of commitment and hundreds of billions of dollars wasted. In the end, ukraine falls in their lap anyway, while also causing massive internal issues in the west, where the nafotroons will feel it was all for nothing. It will also make the geopolitical climate much more accepting of annexing ukraine. Just compare how much more anti-Russian popular sentiment was in 2022 than now. By 2026 or 2030 or whenever, it will barely register as a blip for your average westcuck, they will see it as the irrelevant conclusion of a bush war, rather than the prelude of a soviet invasion.

>>509358634 (OP)
the only reason we were even in Jewkraine was due to Burisma and a slew of other corrupt dealings, all the NPC faggots in JewSA couldn't point to that faggot country on a map, let alone know it is one of the most corrupt shit holes in all of eastern europe, golden rule in dealing with slavs- let them eat shit.

>>509379789
burismas job is to steal russian gas and pretnd it comes from the Ukraine you retard, how can you not realize that

learn to slav

>>509369258
hello hivan, how is today?

Trust an *nglokike...
Get shafted with no reach around. :)
How many more time will retarded slav(e)shits fall for their tricks?

>>509358634 (OP)
I knew it was gonna happen US and NATO always do that I was telling everyone at the beginning it was going to happen. Not that I care we shouldn't have even involved ourselves with that shit I nthe first place it's not our fucking problem. We are shoveling billions and billions to zelenskike meanwhile natural born native US citizens are starving and becoming homeless.

>>509358741
Fippybippy. Ukranians are white niggers, and Russia is less hostile towards Europe than America is. I genuinely hope Germany aligns itself with Russia economically and tell my country to fuck off. The US is a tumor that destroys everything it touches.

>>509379867
>slavs robbing slavs
yes, kek

>>509379979
you started it, you break it you buy it

>>509358634 (OP)
I feel great! The USA holds all the cards, I hope the Western Europe will follow suit.

>>509380081
I didn't start shit Ukraine got rid of it's nukes it was dumb enough to it's their own damn fault they listened to a nuclear power telling them they need to denuclearize only an idiot would do that

>>509380132
Ukraine had no nukes. And they listened to not one but SEVERAL nuclear powers telling them as no one, not a single soul wanted to break the non-proliferation treaty like this.

>>509379867
Unfortunately we are not very good at that. I would recommend to learn to Jew if you want to achieve stable success.

>>509358634 (OP)
Good.
Z.

>>509359515
You also made deals with Russia you duplicitous cunt

>>509380195
Not my fucking problem

>>509358634 (OP)
Oh look, I was right again.

>>509358634 (OP)
>abandoning
>after bankrolling their futile war for years
It's called cutting your losses, and Zelenskyy's scammed the world long enough.

>>509358634 (OP)
Twist: it really didnt' and it's just for plausible deniabilty

this thread isn't real, the posts are not organic

>>509358634 (OP)
Now abandon Pakistan

>>509358634 (OP)
They aren't, it's a ruse to get Putin to open a second front with Azerbaijan backed by Turkey-Israel. Once he does, they will resume the supplies to Ukraine and Iran will pull back in exchange of sanction removal and nuclear program greenlight.

>>509379070
this sad picture made me change my mind good job dickhead

>>509373888
>another general with 5 deaths under his belt
I look forward to his return to the front in a few weeks

>>509379473
Thats a list of all the independence movements/ countries Russia is suppressing all while chimping out nigger style saying they are just trying to save Russians in Ukraine. If they lose Siberia the rest will crumble very fast.

>>509358634 (OP)
They should be abandoned faster. Russian army was supposed to be in Warsaw by now.

>>509358634 (OP)

I feel bad that the CIA took over your country in 2014 and has been using you for every horrific medical experiment in CIA funded labs that could be allowed to occur in the west. In that sense you guys got used and as an american I can say that if we had better control over our own government maybe this shit wouldn't have happened. I wish you guys were a little less susceptible to the propaganda that convinced you to let NATO tards try to build missile bases right up against the russian border basically creating this fucking conflict. You guys were a pawn the whole way through. It's a god damn shame so many innocent people got caught up in this pointless pissing contest. But I'm nothing but happy that we are wasting any more money on that bullshit.

>>509363949
You would prefer white people committing a suicide in american game, rather than jews committing a suicide in american game. American stand for jewish since the people who rule the usa all have israeli citizenship.
Jews wanted to use ukrainians to drain russian and chinese resources. But they are all nepo babies and failed at that depleting their own resources. They should call it a loss and move on to another war. Which they are doing.

>>509358634 (OP)
Drumpf is a retard nothing new.

>>509382258
11 more years.

>>509358634 (OP)
I'd really much rather we abandoned Israel.

>>509381977
This sounds like something they'd do but why get entangled in Azerbaijan in the first place? Besides innate retardation, of course.

>>509383173
I say both. Neither Ukraine or Israel are part of NATO but they are both treated as members.

>>509383394
Its an anglo daydream scenario they are trying to will into existence by seething hard enough, much like China attacking Russia or this>>509359774 Angloids are copers by nature, they have very fantasy-prone personalities and have difficulties accurately assessing what is possible. This is the wider reason why their empire-building attempts always fail. Like, they genuinely thought that the afghans would love the Kabul Pride and globohomo and now they are genuinely believing that the world is going to attack Russia on all fronts to save their anglokike puppet ukraine from total defeat and annexation.

>>509358634 (OP)
Its okay, russia already disarmed them self.

How dumb do you have to be to starve to death inside of a bread.

>>509380132
It was never their nukes.

>>509358634 (OP)
I feel nothing, becasue nothing happened
We are still giving money to a Jewish country

>>509358634 (OP)
I don't really care, but the fact they are proves that their military might is more precarious than they would like to let on. It is clear they make Israel and the Jews their priority, and now that Israel is threatened by depleted missile reserves they decide to abandon Ukraine. It proves how weak America's military industry really is. 18 months of bombing fish in a barrel with no resistance (Gaza) and 2 weeks of Iranian missiles have been enough to deplete American weapon reserves to such a point they need to make drastic changes.

>>509383394
You mean for whom?
Azerbaijan is a major pressure point in the region, a foothold against Iran and a checkpoint in North-South traderoute. They already have a piece of railroad build on their territory and besides denying it, they can totally cockblock the naval alternative by using naval drones on Caspian.

>>509358634 (OP)
Ukraine is normie land. I learned this. During covid "Pandemic" they enforced draconian mask mandates and jabs there.

So my answer is who cares. They also have niggers there.

>>509383585
Thanks paprikabro.
Their retardation knows little to no bounds.
>>509385164
If it's important enough to risk on it go for it. On paper you have enough equipment and men.

>>509386136
Armenia used to be a Russian ally with guarantees against an azeri invasion. They got color revolution'd and a pro-western, pro-Soros liberal got into power and started their usual shit, drug liberalization, troon liberalization, etc. amongst them talking shit about Russia and wanting to sever ties completely and pining for EU and NATO membership(familiar from somewhere? Then they got super shocked when Russian peacekeepers weren't to keen on fighting a war for them and merely stepped in to save them from a total collapse and firmly returned them into their sphere.

Westcucks spun this into a complete fantasy of Russia "abandoning" its allies and a Russia-Azerbaijan war because they couldn't deal with their puppet losing. Of course, being fucking Caucasus its vastly more complex to the point of retardation, like hardcore islamists being split on who to support, Israel supporting the Azeris just to spite Iran and so on.

>>509358634 (OP)
Here in Wyoming nobody likes porkraine.

>>509358634 (OP)
Fuck em

>>509383585
wont you like your tatar bros be free

>>509387801
We don't give a shit about narratives peddled by jews and glowies.

>>509358634 (OP)
Ukraine has had every chance to wind it down in a negotiated surrender.
Refusal to do the reasonable can be very brave or very foolish - this is an example of the latter case.

They gambled and lost.

>>509380132
>got rid of
They were paid 2.5 billion for those nukes, shit for brains

>>509359515
No we didnt
Troon shill

>>509364777
>. If Ukraine kept any of the nukes, there would've been absolutely no issues with maintaining and deploying them

Thats a straight up lie tranny faggot shill. They had no means of maintaining them and would have ended up selling them on the black market like everything else the USSR left them.
They sold 32 billion in arms and munitiond against UN sanctions to genocidal regimes like Sierra Leon

>>509387996
They have practically won in 2022. Russia offered extremely lenient terms, even willing to give them back Donetsk and Luhansk. The only thing they would have lost was Crimea, and they would have been free to pursue further EU+NATO integration, just short of a full NATO membership for now. Then they lost their shit, started dreaming of "imperial ukraine" and territorial gains from Russia and went all in.

Turns out, they were wrong.

>>509388945
The US delegation went over several times, emphasizing that its not a legally binding treaty, merely a memorandum.

Meanwhile, the ukranians:

>Ukrainian international law scholars such as Olexander Zadorozhny maintain that the Memorandum is an international treaty because it satisfies the criteria for one, as fixed by the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) and is "an international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law".[58]

They literally trying to jewishly ruleslawyer it into being one in their heads and act super upset when their would be guarantors don't give a shit about their demands.

Russia was never going to let Ukraine keep it's independence. Historically it always invaded Ukraine every 100 years. It just hit the 100 year mark again

>>509389134
It wasnt ratified by the US senate, hence the name nemorandum.
Zelensky was demanding we give him nukes the other day. He is a fucking deranged madman that would rather destroy the world than lose power.

>>509358634 (OP)
context? sounds scary as hell

>>509362512
>>Yeah and it's misrepresented constantly.
>that's what you're doing, pidor
Objectively not.
1. I clarified the terminology was "respect" not "guarantee" so that is frankly just a blatant lie
2. Pointed out the nukes were leftover soviet weapons and not reasonably available to their military to use.
Omitting those facts is misrepresentation. Using weasel language to overstate US obligations to Ukraine is misrepresentation.

>>509362752
>no big deal
Never said it wasn't a big deal, just that the implication is that Ukraine gave up a nuclear-powered self-defense option in return for security guarantees from US and NATO, which is simply not true.
>where we were about to go to war with Iran
We were never going to war with Iran over this. Stop falling for shilling from hysterical sodomites like Glenn Greenwald.
> just to stop them from ATTEMPTING to get a nuclear weapon.
Iran was enriching Uranium in open defiance of international demands while at the same time vowing to destroy the United States and funding militant groups throughout the region.

>>509358634 (OP)
I can hear all the retarded zoomers thinking this is a mushroom cloud

>>509393104
You are a faggot and a shill paid to come here and lie. Ukraine was paid 2.5 billion for thier nuked and GLADLY gave them up.

Funny how you pieces of shit think you can rewrite history

>>509358634 (OP)
Safelite repair
Safelite replace.

>>509358634 (OP)
I'm very relaxed about it.

>>509370244
Counterfactuals are often hard to swallow and Trump is always ridiculously optimistic about his own abilities but I really do believe that if Biden hadn't stolen the 2020 election, Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine. Ukraine seems to have been a nexus of globalist corruption and money laundering, which Biden (and likely many others) were directly tied to. Perverted incentives inevitably lead to bad decision-making. Before you even consider Biden's mental incompetence.

>>509393439
>Ukraine was paid 2.5 billion for thier nuked and GLADLY gave them up.
Yeah that's my point, moron.
They gave them up for money and an agreement from all parties that their borders and sovereignty would be respected.
That's it.
The shills are the ones pretending like this agreement is effectively some kind of defense treaty between the US and Ukraine and the US is obligated to "guarantee the sovereignty" of Ukraine in perpetuity because Ukraine agreed to yield control over the soviet nukes within their newly defined territory.

>>509358879
well, technically it aspm8 a mushroom could. retard.

>>509393439
In fact I think you either misread my post or imagine you are responding to someone else. I'm arguing the same side you are.

>>509364777
This is such a dumb shill point, ukraine didn't have the means to fire them to begin with, let alone the means to maintain them.
ukraine wasn't forced to give up "their" nukes, they were told:
>ukraine either return them or they won't be able to interact with the international community.
Their choices were either submit or go North Korea mode over weapons they have no ability to use. Not even a real choice.

>>509370528
What money?

>>509358634 (OP)
We gave them hundreds of billions in aid + intel. If they can't seal the deal with that then tough luck.

>>509393923
>They gave them up for money and an agreement from all parties that their borders and sovereignty would be respected.
They didn't give up shit. Nobody asked Ukraine their opinion because the nukes weren't theirs in the first place.

The USA funded the nuke removal. I've been to the housing developments that were put on top of former nuke military bases.

>>509358634 (OP)
hopefull
guests are like fish, after week they start to stink

>>509358634 (OP)
the nuke of zhitomir?

>>509394198
>They didn't give up shit.
Christ aren't we nitpicking semantics enough already? I'm already mostly defending your interpretation of the memorandum.
We aren't even talking about the way Russia gerrymandered the borders of Ukraine specifically so that there would be enough ethnic Russians in the country to control its government. A retarded plan that backfired.

>>509358634 (OP)
I don't give a shit and never did.

>>509358634 (OP)
Sorry Hohols but Israel is just more important.

>>509358634 (OP)
Pols razor, but for ukrainians
Trump literally called out jewlinskyy about his lack of gratitude, because ukies are just jews and hitler was right about them too

>>509364477
I want ukrainians to go back to doing what they do best, top tier cunny. the end of the war is going to produce some desperate for money parents.

>>509358634 (OP)
more kino for the rest of us. have fun faggots.

>>509375792
Most likely shrapnel or debris from the explosion. Too close for the shockwave take almost two seconds to reach the car.

>>509399483
What did that?

>>509359103
Best I can do is your money going to billionaires, praise BBB

>>509358634 (OP)
I hope the rest of Europe goes soon

>>509358634 (OP)
Fucking nukes bro

>>509397304
All he had to do was say thankyou

>>509358992
Its the last step to fully blockading Russia from the EU. All of this is to ensure that Russia doesnt have a favourable relations with the EU and that the EU remains a vassal of the US.

>>509358634 (OP)
Not good, not good at all. But in all honesty. This isn't the best thing for Russia either, this will give all the other European countries a pretext to do what ever it wants now. With USA having no say, countries like France or Germany can give Ukraine nukes with no US oversight or permissions.
Kind of Grim if you think of it in that contex.

>>509358634 (OP)
My fiancé lives there. That's a gas station. It's not as bad as it looks. It sucks to be the people there when it happened, but a strange place for a Russian missile to hit.
Russian missiles seem to have shit aim, though. They claim to be hitting military targets but it looks like they hit random shit, because all of their missiles miss.

>>509358634 (OP)
You didn't notice the pattern of where we abandon all our allies?
>Ukraine
>Afghanistan
>Iraq
>Vietnam
>Iran
>Cuba
>Russia
>China
I'm going to laugh so hard when we abandon Israel.

>>509362512
Kuchma tried to order the Soviet rocket forces stationed in Ukraine in charge of those warheads to fall under Ukrainian chain of command. They refused and stayed with Moscow, just as those in Belarus and Kazakhstan.
Soviet nuclear command and forces were always under a tight leash from Moscow, the nukes were never Ukrainian, Belarussian, or Kazakh, they merely got pittance money from US to help with transport fees to Russia.

Long overdue, at least Zognald got it right eventually. Unfortunately it's only because Israel wants to attack Iran and we need more patriot missiles to defend our pimp daddy. But no matter how Ukraine loses, it needs to happen faster so that this third world war that NATO wants so badly is put to bed.

>>509401263
>it needs to happen faster so that this third world war that NATO wants so badly is put to bed.

lmao, london thought it was going to some how wreck the world and become a super power by balkanizing Russia and stealing its resources

kek now look at london

>>509400891
Confirmed two more weeks

>>509358634 (OP)
As long as the whites in every country stop fighting each other and solve the muzq, chinkq and jq it's gonna be great.

>>509358741
FPBP

I genuinely do not give a fuck if Russia has more farmland or not.
Their economy is far weaker than the US and somehow even more corrupt. They’ll never be a true global influential threat.

My only concern is who comes after Putin. He’s been around so long that he’s extremely predictable. He will never use nukes. He would work with us if it makes sense. But whoever follows him is an unknown.

>>509358992
America is working with Israel to depopulate Ukraine, unironically.

>>509359388
Ukraine has received twice their gdp in aid since the start of the war. Which doesn't even include the value of American intelligence(satellites, targeting, strategy, etc) and diplomatic cover/propaganda. Ukraine is a quasi NATO army with virtually no domestic economy. So they don't need much labor, only soldiers. If Ukraine was on its own, there never would have been a war. And if Ukrainian men were allowed to escape, there would be no war.

Russia's full of niggers, but Ukraine was retarded for thinking we would provide any further support than weapons.

>>509406337
Joe Biden was more corrupt than every politician in Russia combined

>>509408928
No, ukrainians are retarded for fighting for a Jewish government and for not reading the George Soros article from like 1993, or anything Brzezinski ever wrote, to understand that America was always setting them up to be canon fodder to fight America's enemies for us. No one in America actually gives a shit about ukrainians, especially not their so-called supporters like Lindsey Graham. He's fine if every ukrainian is killed as long as some Russians die. In fact, the more ukrainians dying the better because then Russia can't use them in the future if they win, and if they lose, that opens the door to mass migration.

No one hates ukrainians more than the people who want to arm them the most.

>>509358634 (OP)
In terms of USA's soft power projection to the world and it's allies. It makes them look like massive faggots who will leave you high and dry.

Trump being isolationist in 2016 was fine, since it wasn't as much of a global crisis. But right now the world seems to be on the brink of WW3 and Trump is doing his fucking isolationist thing again when so many White nations had long term NATO/AUKUS plans in place that involved America and now everyone's getting worried.

>>509410689
On the contrary, Trump is putting gasoline on the fire. He is actively trying to bring on WW3.

>>509411249
Explain your take please.

>>509411406
Bombing Iran isn't pouring gasoline on the fire?

>>509411949
No.
Nobody wants to fight us because we're the strongest country in human history. Nobody will do anything about our bombing of Iran.
The kvetching from our allies is directly proportional to Trump's willingness to disentangle the United States from conflicts in Europe and pulling out of NATO, because we are primarily responsible for maintaining the defense of western civilization.

>>509358634 (OP)
Long overdue. They are extremely ungrateful for the amount of assistance they got from us. Basically a parasite country.

>>509359293
>weaken China
How? They are just getting stronget

>>509379473
A Eglin/jew masturbation fantasy that will never happen.

>>509411949
In what way? It was just a big nothing burger and only autistic mutt signtappers cared because they have been crying wolf over WW3 for years threatening that every goddamn fucking military operation will lead to WW3 in retaliation.

>>509412371
This. My entire life since I was a child I was raised being told that America was the world police, and they were legally the safeguard of freedom and will come and beat bad guys and save every allied nation. The last 2 decades have slowly eroded that image, but the saving your ally thing was still fully stuck on and trump ripped it off like a bandaid. Nations kept their militarties small and weak because of this, they could have prepared. Trump goes on about everyone freeloading off them, it's the US's fucking fault, they fucking sold us this deal after WW2 and now blame our nations for taking it. Fucking leaving us in the dust when we all have fucking tiny armies infected to the core with wokeness to top it all off.

>>509358741
This, its about time. What a waste

>>509412889
>Trump goes on about everyone freeloading off them, it's the US's fucking fault
The price of food here has rose 20% in three years from retarded military spending. We need to focus on our own people first.

>>509358634 (OP)
Idc

>>509358634 (OP)
not my monkeys, not my circus.
I just wish the incompetent russian pidors had finished those assholes years ago.

>>509358634 (OP)
Because US's master takes precedence, isn't that obvious?

>>509412371
>>509412889
If Trump wanted peace instead of ww3, he would bomb Israel and russia until they surrender.

>>509358634 (OP)
I think it's great. We should have never been involved and this goes back to 2014 and earlier. Not my problem.

>>509359103
Agree. Fuck Ukraine, Russia and Isreal. Fuck everyone. It's not our problem.

>>509358634 (OP)
I voted for this

>>509358634 (OP)
Fine

>>509359774
>Chechnya is next
a man can dream

>>509359515
>guarantee sovereignty
>give up nukes
those are mutually exclusive lol

>>509408713
>If ukraine was on its own,

ukraine "on its own" was defeated in 48hrs, not a shot fired lmao

>>509358741
enjoy this dead zigger!

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DEATH