Thread 509369946

give me ONE reason why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond of a channel to invade Britain other than "Hitler was controlled by Joos and Joos were hoarding all their gold into England so Nazis had to be good goys and go fight the commies instead, who were a bigger threat to Joos"

>>509369946 (OP)
The Royal Navy. Now ask me a hard one, memeflaggot.

>>509369946 (OP)
I am shocked germans did not build amphibious assault submarines. That would have avoided any issue with the RN and RAF.

>>509370296
Also they could have landed troops on comfy places without any coastal defence like Wales.

>>509369946 (OP)
>give me ONE reason why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond of a channel to invade Britain

It requires a shitload of planning and equipment.

>>509370032
>The Royal Navy.

Would have had to confront the Germans in the narrow confines of the Channel if they tried crossing and would have gotten their asses handed to them by the Luftwaffe.

>why couldn't the country with the shitty surface fleet and who's airforce got shattered during the Battle of Britain cross the channel patrolled by one of the worlds strongest navies at the time who had good radar technology(for the time)
HMMM I wonder?

>>509369946 (OP)
>>509370032
>>509370296
>>509370389
>>509370393
>>509370476
>>509370485
the real reason is that Hitler wanted to attack the Soviet Union, who was creeping up on the eastern front
he was pleading with Britain the whole of 1940 after the fall of france to stop the war for that reason

>>509369946 (OP)
British navy

>>509370608
He was asking Britain to surrender u dumb nigger. He attacked Britain via the battle of Britain and THEN attacked Russia. Even his generals thought Hitler was retarded

>>509370658
the brtish navy wasnt that strong at the time
they even sold their oversea bases to Roosevelt for a few ships in exahcnge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyers-for-bases_deal

>>509370736
keep lying you fat american nigger
Hitler never asked for surrender
absolutel r etarded claim

>>509370807
It was still the strongest in the world. And luftwaffe lost to the British Airforce

>>509370608
what are you talking about you stupid jerry nigger? you and ivan were on the same side until the middle of 1941.

>>509370807
It was still more than strong enough to destroy any and all Germoid surface ships.
Was the 2nd strongest navy overall during WW2, only behind the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain
>the luftwaffe would just destroy all the english ships in the channel!
The luftwaffe would get RAPED by the RAF...
Again.

>>509370658
>>509371395
>>509371451

The Brits would have no choice but to zerg rush the Royal Navy into the Channel, where land based German dive bombers would rape it while land based German fighters would take out the responding RAF.

>>509370476
the luftwaffe that lost to the RAF in the battle of britain and couldnt protect their supply lines to africa from getting raped? and the bismark the largest and most advanced ship built by germany got sunk almost instantly by a WW1 british ship.

>>509370807
Hitler literally wanted japan in the axis so britain would be forced to split off the royal navy to protect their asian colonies

>>509371560
brother, the battle of Britain was suppose to be the beginning of the germoids attempting to invade Britain
the luftwaffe got railed by the RAF despite having superior numbers, and the barges the germoids were converting to transport troops got bombed

>>509371615
>Japan joins the war
>Britain doesn't send half their fleet to Asia because they realize that'd be retarded
>they also knew the US Navy would turbo fuck the japs into oblivion

>>509371560
or britains coastal defences would mow down landing troops en masse while the RAF would beat the luftwaffe again. Germany caused 10K casualties on D-Day now imagine D-day with no air support, barely any ships so limited troops landing at a time and a much stronger defensive force.

>>509369946 (OP)
Tanks don't have wings anon

>>509370986
no it wasnt

>The British Chiefs of Staff Committee concluded in May that if France collapsed, "we do not think we could continue the war with any chance of success" without "full economic and financial support" from the United States
>By August, while Britain was reaching a low point, US Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy reported from London that a British surrender was "inevitable". Seeking to persuade Roosevelt to send the destroyers, Churchill warned Roosevelt ominously that if Britain were vanquished, its colonial islands close to American shores could become a direct threat to the US if they fell into German hands.
>Britain had no choice but to accept the deal, but it was so much more advantageous to the United States than Britain that Churchill's aide John Colville compared it to the USSR's relationship with Finland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyers-for-bases_deal
>>509371130
the temporary agreement with the soviets came only after Britain decided to back Poland over Danzig
by 1940 it was clear to Hitler that war with the soviets was inevitable
he talks about this in his conversation with Mannerheim later in the war

>>509371714
It was a decent gamble since the US was getting close to entering the war anyway thanks to the USAs strong ties to the UK and FDRs dislike of germany its easy to see how it could spiral into another WW1 even without Japan declaring war

>>509371395
absolutely stupid claim

>>509370736
>He attacked Britain via the battle of Britain and THEN attacked Russia.
Britain had declared war on Germany well before the Battle of Britain

>>509370807
>>509371395
Hood was a lucky shot, other than that the German navy just got rolled over. Bismark included. Uboats where the only thing that was moderately sucessful, and only for a short time until the Alies figured out countermeasures.

>>509371937
Then why didn't the German navy defeat the British navy before he Americans got involved?

>>509371937
The only other nation that could be argued as the 2nd strongest navy at the time was Japan.
The British surface fleet and the RAF made any germoid invasion of the home islands impossible.
Anyone who claims or thinks otherwise is HEAVILY coping.
>>509372098
>let Hitler take Austria, Czechoslovakia and then finally realize appeasement isn't working and tell them 'No more.'
>Hitler attacks Poland anyways
>surprised that France and the UK declared war
Funny thing is, if the French hadn't been so fucking disoriented and stuck in their ways, they absolutely could have cut off and stopped the German advance into France when they had begun stretching too far.

>>509372134
the allies, but not Britain
Britain alone would have been suffocated
they knew that by 1940 and the only thing that helped them was selling off their empire to roosevelt
literally noone denies that, because its fuckign obviously what happened

>>509371615
>>509371659

Because the Germans never intended to invade the UK, expecting them to sign a cease fire and thus had no capability to invade. The Battle of Britain was an off-the-cuff operation hoping to shoot down enough Brit fighters that the Germans would have the time to hurry up and slap together some kinda invasion force.

But had the Germans planned on invading from the start, the Brits would have been the ones flying long distances into German held skies in an attempt to stop them and they'd have been fucked.

>>509369946 (OP)
To cross safely they would need to use their airpower to drive the royal navy out of the channel, which also means securing air superiority to protect the bombers while they deal with the fleet, and protecting their own ships from British bombers.

They attempted this. It was called The Battle of Britain. Germany lost. They lost it so hard that it sent their air force into a death spiral, forced them to abandon all plans of invading England and basically spoiled all their plans for the rest of 1940.

Germany's planes lacked the range to reach the main staging airfields that the UK used to protect the skies over the channel and was forced to draw them into an air battle to destroy them, by threatening London. But Britain's early warning radar system gave it an insurmountable advantage in defensive air battles and Germany had nothing that could match the increasing numbers of Spitfires in the air.

>>509372246
then why did germany lose almost every aviation and naval engagement even before the USA entered the war? and dont say its because of US supplies because you got just as much from uncle Stalin right up until you invaded him

>>509372286
>trust me bro, they totally could have done so if they had just planned more!
No.
No they couldn't have.
The Battle of Britain was the greatest buckbreaking the Luftwaffe got in the entire war, and they never recovered from it.

>>509372286
complete fucking cope the UK literally wouldnt even need to sally out their navy, germany never woulda made it past the beaches even if they just let them land.

>>509372308
Germany was planning and later doing an invasion of the soviet Union, they werent focused on fighting a sea war
the disccusion is obviously if they would have focused on that

>>509372358
>>509372367

You dumbasses continue to keep arguing that the Germans would do the _same thing_ they did in the original timeline, whereas I'm suggesting a long planned German invasion turns the tables on the Brits: THEY now have to fly into the teeth of German airpower.

>>509372513
>werent focused on fighting a sea war
>build Bismarck class battle ships
>build assloads of U-boats
hmmmm

>>509372530
Nigga germany planned sealion months before britain that was the long term planning and they got fucking whooped. Your not smarter than a WW2 general who beat France in a month

>>509372513
They literally hadnt even started planning the actual outline for the invasion before sealion was planned and only started massing troops in 1941

>>509372530
WHY would Britain have to go and fly into the German airpower? None of the planes Germany had could reach the airfields that the RAF were stationed in.
The Brits also had a lot of radar coverage which the Germans didn't have.
Even with extra time to plan, they're not making it onto the beaches in any sort of real force, and even if they do, the amount of losses they take would absolutely not be worth it, and they'd get rolled over by the USSR harder and probably earlier.

>>509372643
and they would have build ten times more in a real war with Britain
stupid fuck

>1pph memeflag thread that belongs on /his/
>getting tons of attention from hoi4-playing spergs
allah please nuke this website from orbit immediately

>>509372747
They quite literally fucking couldnt, the UK had an entire overseas empire while germany could barely hold north africa. The Bismark also got sunk by a ship that was over a decade old.

>>509372654
Funny thing is, they beat France so quick mostly because the French leadership was for the most part, completely reluctant to actually do anything.
France had more than a few chances to actually put a serious halt on the German advance, and just never did so, either do to lack of will or some other reason. The Germans while making their way to the coast of France were stretching super thin and could have easily been cut off, but the French leadership just never took the initiative.
>>509372747
Germany did not have the resources or the shipyards to produce that many fucking battleships.
There's a reason they focused so much on Uboats, they knew they could never actually match the Royal navy in any reasonable amount of time.

>>509372764
yeah, that makes sense
the people in thias thread are very kikey

>>509372833
then ten times more uboats, holy fuck
what kind of retards are even in this thread

>>509372838
Your the fucking retard who is suggesting that germany pull the worlds dtrongest navy out of their ass to invade britain somehow when they tried and failed at doing exactly that.

>>509372838
i agree with the other guy you are retarded
but you both are especially retarded for giving this thread any attention

>>509372838
>facts that are real and happened are kikey
>>509372874
>10 times more uboats
the moment better detection systems came into play, uboats began to get buckbroken too
Germany didn't have the capacity to make 11k uboats either

>>509372513
So we're back to Hitler being a retard again, eh?

>>509369946 (OP)
Hess signed a secret peace deal with the British crown and Churchill in 1941 and for a whole year, the Brits basically stopped their war efforts.

Ofc they betrayed the Germans after their blitzkrieg failed but what else do you expect from the UK?

>>509372976
>Germany didn't have the capacity
hahahaha
you people are absolutely retarded

>>509369946 (OP)
It is 100 percent pure fantasy. The Royal Navy and RAF would blow any transporting supplies to a port, that the Germans can't even capture even if they wanted to, out of the water. They can't protect supply line convoys with uboats. Germans have no ability to perform an invasion. The only experience they have was riding on merchant ships into Norway. If you look at the invasion of Crete. It was a disaster and the fallschimjagar would never recover from that operation. Yet you believe they could capture a port in England and hold it and supply it and drive inland in Britain? You are insane. Every historian will tell you sealion was impossible. The Germans couldn't even win the air war. They lost the battle for Britain and the luftwaffe did very little compared to its losses. Ita pure fantasy. The Germans lost the war the moment they invaded Poland. Next question, retard.

>>509373091
You are a retard and that's why your people lost. And no Germans didn't have the capacity for the war. That's why they lost.

>>509373091
Some shitty country that relied on captured French and Czech industry with handouts from the USSR is somehow able to build more boats than the Empire that controlled literally 25% of the globe and had the worlds largest navy and more importantly more facilities to actually build ships?

>>509373121
im sure if we werent busy killing 20 million russians we could have suffocated britain quite easily
next question

>>509372976
>>509373091
The German Uboats couldnt even sink the Queen Mary

>>509373052
Why the FUCK would the UK honor the deal when the Germoids broke half the deals they made?
>>509373091
They didn't. Diverting that much steel to uboat, torpedo and ship shell production would have decimated their tank production, and they would have gotten raped by the USSR even harder.

>>509373342
you realize Germany had a bigger economy than Britain right?
I mean you know the fucking basics

>>509373350
>Germutt proud of killing millions of civilians
Let me guess, you're the type who cries about 'M-muh Dresden!' too, right?

>>509373350
>battle of britain 1940
>operation barbarossa 1941
I fear for germany if this is what your schools teach you

>>509373402
Proof? and also GDP is not raw production numbers and more importantly germany had leas dockyards to build said boats.

>>509373364
>would have decimated their tank production, and they would have gotten raped by the USSR even harder.
anone, thats the whole point, Britain and the allies only won, because we were focused on the soviets
what people are even invading this thread
youre all literally retarded

>>509373471
If every single person in this entire thread is calling you retarded you might be retarded

>>509373421
no, I dont cry about Dresden, because London nowadays looks like this
and New York looks even better

>>509373527
Im mean New York was once a white city
hahahaha

>>509373471
>only won because they were focused on the soviets
the Battle of Britain happened about 7-8 months before Barbarossa
>>509373527
We can post pictures of Berlin too, you know?

>>509369946 (OP)
>why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond

Stalin intended to invade.

>>509373556
>the Battle of Britain happened about 7-8 months before Barbarossa
and plans for the invasion of the soviet union were already underway by that time
Germany never geared up for war with Britain

>>509373612
They literally werent you retard

wait, I get it now...
he's one of those retards who actually believe Germany could have won WW2!

>>509373642
they literally were
Hitler made his decision in the summer of 1940, it was really serious by the end of 1940

>>509373702
And yet no actual plans were drawn up in 1940 and actual material preperations only began in 1941.

Look it up faggot

Real low IQ hours.
RN was intact and RAF was still there, Germans might’ve rushed it and landed troops hypothetically but they’d have no means to reliably resupply them. Kriegsmarine was not just shit in general, it lost much of it’s surface force in Norway. British would also simply wreck harbours too.

>>509373364
>Why the FUCK would the UK honor the deal when the Germoids broke half the deals they made?

because the UK was and is still owned by Germans. There's footage of young queen Elizabeth with her relatives going full siegheil roman salute on record. No jokes look it up

>>509370608
yup, anglotards will seethe and screech "muh great game" in their browned former empire that helped save world communism on purpose

>>509373789
what stupid horseshit

>>509372214
Danzig is German and was invaded by Poland. Seethe hero worshipper, the good guys lost WW2. Grow up and get over it.

>>509373402
Economy is not shipbuilding. Germans failed to compete with the British navy since the 1800s. Navies take decades of preparation that Germans never made. In fact, Germans just lose wars. They are losers. Only thing the Germans have ever been successful at is what... beating scuffed non napoleon France? Oh wait that was just the Prussian. Yeah Prussian beat scuffed France, Denmark, and Austria. Wow. Germans spend most their time killing other Germans if you think about it.

>>509369946 (OP)
He liked the British and didn't wanna hurt them until Churchill attacked them viciously plus he was busy on other fronts.

>>509374029
>non napoleon France
France was ruled by Napoleon III at the time heh.

>>509374058
Let me guess, you believe this because David Irving told you so

>>509374211
Napoleon the III lmao, imagine being that fucking loser.

the US made a blockade impossible

>>509369946 (OP)
Hitler was an anglokike puppet indoctrinated with anglophilia by his geopolitical mentor Karl Haushofer who was an SIS asset, the British had been playing a good cop bad cop trick on their puppet for a long time, and of course Hitler's inner circle and the NSDAP top were fully infiltrated, so Operation Sea Lion was just a showpiece and to bait their puppet into attacking the USSR, the British had their Haushofer asset's jewish son fly Hess over on a peace mission that amounted to an informal truce in Europe. The Blitz ended the very same day, Hitler attacked the USSR a month later as planned, and Churchill held off Soviet demands for a Western front for three full years

>>509373350
>"We could have won"
>"We just chose to lose"

Lol

>>509374647
>Churchill held off Soviet demands for a Western front for a three full years
Germany invaded summer of 41. What constitutes a second front? British had been fighting total war long before they entered the war and America landed in Africa in Dec. 42 and Sicily summer of 43. So 3 years my ass. The Churchhill was the Trump of 40s British politics. When he stepped in it was like going from Joe Biden to Donald Trump. He was one of the greatest leaders the British have ever had, better than half their kings in England's entire history.

>>509374923
the loops the mind of a german makes are plentiful and large

>>509369946 (OP)
Not sure if anyone brought it up but it was because of air superiority, and the R.A.F.
As long as we had the R.A.F. the Germans couldn't land an invasion force without the risk of it being wiped out in the channel or on the beaches.
R.A.F. won the battle of Britain so our fighters were still fully operational and able to protect our bombers which would have decimated an invading force.

I'm not saying it wouldn't have been successful, but it would have been incredibly bloody for the Germans, very costly losing tens of thousands of men potentially.

>>509375928
>tens of thousands
they would have lost way more than that

>>509375966
You're probably right, I was being conservative with my estimate for the sake of not wanting to sound dramatic.

>>509370296
Hey retard, it’s not about landing. It’s about supporting the troops after they land.

>>509369946 (OP)
Because Britain, was a white, warrior nation. No surrender, all invaders die (not in 2025 of course)

>>509369946 (OP)
Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

>>509373831
It wouldn't have mattered if the Germans tried to rush over, we had Radar even back then and it was so powerful that we were able to see the planes taking off from French airfields long before they hit the coastal waters.
I recommend watching this if you haven't it has testimonials for the air controllers, pilots and witnesses of the Battle of Britain.
Suffice to say, it was impossible for the Germans to launch a surprise invasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmjKODQYYfg

>>509369946 (OP)
Bro, the germs had all of europe and scandinavia to control+attacking soviet russia. They didn't have the manpower for that kind of shenaniganz.

>>509373052
Damn I had no idea Russian state tv was so Jewish and gay

>>509371803
>war with the soviets was inevitable
No. Hitler should have risked everything to not go to war against stalin. Doing that was the true reason why hitler lost the war. Together, hitler and stalin could have held britain and the u.s. back.

>>509373052
>Hess signed a secret peace deal with the British crown and Churchill in 1941 and for a whole year, the Brits basically stopped their war efforts.
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you aware that 1940/1941/1942 our Royal Navy and Merchant fleet was fighting the Battle of the Atlantic? That we were losing millions of tonnes of shipping from U-boats.
You fuckers, I swear even after our Merchant fleets took resources away from our own people to give to you Russians to help you with the Arctic convoys. I bet you aren't even aware that the Arctic convoys were a thing that our British lads sailed over to Russia to deliver you supplies all throughout the war.

>>509373565
No he didn't. All those claims are fake.

>>509376508
that was never possible, Hitler hated slavs and wanted to exterminate/remove them so Germs could have more land
all these 'what if' scenarios for Germany to win require a completely different Germany and war situation

Nazis are now, and always have been, Jewish puppets for stopping the only real threat to them, the communists. But they make it seem like fascists are their enemies, with insane lies like the holocaust, a lie even more transparent than the ones they tell about commies

>>509376591
Russians are retarded and their government brainwashes them to believe the western allies did nothing during the war

>>509376657
Capitalism and Communism are the one and same

>>509376808
It seems that way, I just didn't think people were that gullible to believe it.

>>509369946 (OP)
The people on the otherside

>>509376657
>commies
>the only threat to kikes
>when kikes invented communism
???

>>509374926
>What constitutes a second front?
I said Western front, which Stalin had been begging for for years before D-Day
>British had been fighting total war
Lmao, no. There was the phony war, then the Blitz which ended with Hess/Barbarossa
>>509376591
Battle of the Atlantic was low level warfare

>>509369946 (OP)

Germ many was never a naval power, thats why the went for cuck subs ( u boat) to begin with. Cant really cover a martime invasion with subs so well they had to cuck out and cancel it.

>>509377617
>almost over 100k total casualties combined and thousands of merchant vessels and warships lost
>low level warfare
I mean, I guess compared to most of WW2 it was, but it was still a lot of fighting.

>>509369946 (OP)
They would need a navy that could tackle the grand fleet.

The Germany navy mutinied in both wars rather than fight the royal navy

That could be why

>>509369946 (OP)
The German Wehrmacht training in Blitzkreig was doctrinally organised and equipped for a mechanised land war in the East across Poland and then for Barbarossa to defeat communism and create Lebensraum.
They were also suitable to invade France when (((Churchill))) and France joined the war in Poland, but not for amphibious ops across the Channel.

>>509377617
>"Battle of the Atlantic was low level warfare"
>100,000 lives lost
>3675 allied ships lost
>785 German U-boats lost
>741 coastal defence RAF planes lost
>Low level
Dutch bro, I don't think you understand the definition of words.

>>509370032
They were based in Scapa flow to avoid getting hit by the Luftwaffe.
They couldn’t actually defend against an invasion without losing large ships to the Luftwaffe and U-boats.

>>509371615
The Luftwaffe was called off because terror bombing wasn’t effective at collapsing moral.
African supply lines were fine, it was the Italians, Mussolini, making poor strategic choices such as allowing Malta to remain in British hands.

The Bismarck wasn’t sunk. It was scuttled after fending off the best ships of the Royal Navy while outnumbered.

>>509371659
It wasn’t. The Battle of Britain was meant to force the issue of British peace and as retaliation for the bombing of Berlin.

>>509376652
This is just a myth.
Rein’s official policy for the NSDAP counts the Slavs as Aryans.
Slavs cry crocodile tears today over Ukraine as they did over German then.
Boohoo “we invaded Eastern Europe displacing Balts, Scythians, Goths, Sarmatians, and Vlachs woe is me Hitler has killed 2% of my asiatic race.” Sniff sniff.

Slavs deserved worse, Hitler was far too easy on Slavs.

>>509369946 (OP)
>ONE reason why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond of a channel
You mean aside from all the people and machines armed to the teeth on the other side of it, and any staging points getting bombed to shit?

>>509372152
The British avoided decisive battle and being struck by the Luftwaffe because they were hiding in the Orkneys.
The Royal navy could not sustain a prolonged defense of the channel in the event of a German invasion and the RAF did not have the active aircraft to drive off an invasion through air power alone.
Furthermore small torpedo boats and Uboats working in tandem with the Luftwaffe would completely demolish the Royal navy, we saw the same thing happening in the Med where Italian frogmen were disabling entire task forces through these deep insertion meme-ops with infiltration teams, torpedo boats, and naval aircraft.

They didn’t invade the UK because it would be too risky especially with the Soviets active in the east. They barely approved of the Ardennes and that was a stunning success and in hindsight how could it fail.
Sealion while not impossible had much lower chances.

>>509378061
>The Luftwaffe was called off
Because it was getting its shit kicked in.

>>509372214
Hitler didn’t take Austria.
They voted to join Germany, something they tried to do in 1919 but were for some reason forbidden from by the British and French.
Hitler didn’t take Czechoslovakia, Hacha left Prague the day the Hungarians invaded and Slovaks revolted and the same day asked Hitler if he could join the Reich.
Angolems don’t like it because it made them look fucking retarded, demanding to oversee German-Czech relations on the Sudete question then all of the Czechs just outright joining Germany.
>Poland
Poland invaded Danzig. They violated the 1926 stipulation from the League of Nations limiting their garrison to 88 men of 80 enlisted men and 8 officers, they had hundreds in Danzig and many more attempting to get in when Germany secured the city.

>>509372367
Germany was literally unstoppable at that specific point in time lol.
The British lacked the weaponry to stop a German advance.
>>509372358
The Luftwaffe was able to contest British airspace in a way the RAF and the USAF was not able to do over Germany.
The Luftwaffe demonstrated that even under strength they punched way harder than the RAF.
RAF is a joke and was overclocked with a home field advantage. If they had to support ground forces they’d fail to have an effect.

>>509372663
>they’d never make it to the beaches
Why?
>they’d lose on the beaches
How? The average German soldier proved himself 3x as capable as the average British soldier according to Dupuy’s tactical analysis.

>>509372989
>it’s retarded to fight the USSR
Think so? They almost won. They stomped the Russians so hard the mobiks of today are sparse because their grandparents died in such vast numbers.

>>509373121
The war games gave the Germans a 30% success chance on Sealion, and that is with a heavy British bias and an “insane” Hitler.
Do you even know where the Royal Navy was or how many serviceable aircraft the RAF had?

>>509373336
No capacity for war, that’s why it took 85% of the planet half a decade to defeat them.

>>509369946 (OP)
You need naval superiority.
That's how the Romans and Vikings did it.

>>509378809
>the RAF and the USAF
By the time the USAF was involved the Luftwaffe was crippled.

>>509378882
Due to blitzkreig and specifically blitzing into some really fucking soft targets, and that doesn't matter when you're trying to advance up a beach into machine gun fire. You're just another meat target on a beach. There's a reason the last time the British Isles was invaded was literally 1000 years ago.

>>509378809
>had more planes
>had the help of Italy
>still lost the battle of britain
>t-the luftwaffe punched way harder than the RAF!
Kek!

>>509376591
>What the fuck are you talking about?
Dunkirk 1940 lmao
you niggers fled across the channel then decided to sit it out and occasionally get hit by a symbolic v2. Hess actually had great relationships with the British royalties.

But i tell you more: when Hess was about to be released from prison, he promised to reveal what truly happened. Guess what, after 40 years in captivity he instead decided to be suicided...at age 90. He " strangled himself " although witnesses recalled he was so weak he couldn't even lift a fork. Go figure what happened. The British records are btw all classified on this even today

>>509373342
They didn’t rely. Their productive capacity had already surpassed Britain by 1937, the only production sector Britain surpassed Germany in was colonial rubber and various tropical plants.

>>509373464
Both GDP and production numbers Germany surpassed British by 1937.
I am phoneposting but I could give you the source in a few hours or you could Google it.
There is a study on the German economy from 1933-1938 and they very quickly surpassed British in major industries including textiles and steel which were Britains two largest industries historically.

>>509379033

> Germany crushed
> Humiliated
> Divided up like a dressed pig
> Occupied by the US and USSR for half a century

You should kept reading the book to the end to see how the story turned out.

>>509377761
>>509377901
>muh 100,000 lives lost

Nigga, are you even aware how many lives were lost on the Eastern front on both sides?

It was a small price to lure Hitler into a trap where both Germany and the USSR lose.

>>509379216
Good thing you didn't try marching a load of conscripts into the Atlantic, just imagine he casualties then.

>>509373831
>>509376308
RN was too far north and in hiding. RAF lacked the serviceable aircraft to prevent a Luftwaffe KM strike on a traveling RN, the channel is also terrible for ships in general. Which favored an invasion because naval craft would have a difficult time covering it, this was one of the reasons the main thrust Overlord was northern France and not like Dragoon or Western France.

>>509374923
>>509375766
They made the mistake of believing Angolems had a sense of chivalry, honor, and intelligence. They didn’t realize this shopping-mall of European nations was going to commit national and racial suicide over organized jewry and their vatnig superstate.
I really feel like a winner walking around Shartmart, looking at California, and seeing shitskins rape White people in the UK.

>>509379033
see>>509379204
Once the Allies(US) got serious about stopping Germany went down pretty quick. Their massive war machine was largely smoke and mirrors built up over over a decade of being left alone.

>>509379318
>RN was too far north
You think building up an invasion force takes less time than sailing down the North Sea coast? There's no point hanging around making yourself a target for sneaky weaselry with no good reason, especially when the enemy isn't interested in open battle.

>>509379412
should've won the cold war

>>509369946 (OP)
He thought Britain was a remnant of Hyperborea, which it is, but he failed to realise how deeply we’ve been infiltrated.

>>509379412
>a sense of chivalry, honor
t. builders of nothing but u-boats and ghetto cruise missiles that can hit a city sometimes

>>509375928
>>509375966
This is cope. The RAF was stretched during the Battle of Britain where the British had the advantage.
Well supplied AA divisions like FsPHG shut down the combined might of the USAF and RAF in Italy.

>>509370608
This, he admired the anglos and would have loved to be allied with them.

>>509369946 (OP)
Can't do much with a mostly U-boat Marine especially not a D Day like invasion. Resources were put simply elsewhere.
Doing a suicide attack like Russia did with their VDV would be retarded.
Not much we could do

>>509369946 (OP)

He didn't need to invade. U-Boats could have shut us down if he won in continental Europe.

>>509369946 (OP)
>give me ONE reason why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond
Because Britain's Southern coast was heavily defended.

>>509379439
>we weren’t serious and those casualties were all a joke xddd
Cope.
Fully mechanized it took the US 9months to go the same distance Germany crossed in 30 days ON FOOT.
>>509379440
>they’d sail down
Then why didn’t they?
They didn’t know the invasion was called off.
They couldn’t sail down fast enough nor could they remain in the area for long without taking huge losses from aircraft.

The British fleet ceased to be a primary defense force, it was the RAF and the RAF would be ineffective.

>>509379111
The new MI6 chief is the granddaughter of a Nazi. The British have always been just like Jews and thus Hitler was a Biritsh plant by the same inbreds who turn you into their slaves using "our democracy". Our of course excluding the retarded subhumans that voot and only including other "royal" inbreds.

>>509379459
We both lost the Cold War.
>>509379504
As opposed to napalm on White people?
Yeah.

>>509379649
>why didn’t they
Why WOULD they? There was no invasion and the German surface fleet was no threat.
>They didn’t know the invasion was called off
Do you know how long it took to get the D-Day landings prepped? That was AFTER a massive bombing campaign. You start camping a bunch of men and materiel in French coastal towns and those towns are rapidly going to get flattened from the air.

>>509379703
>both lost
cope
Communist China won, and you decided to help them win just to collapse my country out of spite. 300 million christians stopped leading communism, so that 1400 million nonchristians and nonwhites can. I'm learning mandarin btw - are you?

>>509379299
>Good thing you didn't try marching a load of conscripts into the Atlantic, just imagine he casualties then.

Nigga, you should to shut up and not projecting your shit on others.

You've never fought against an equal or stronger enemy and brave only with children and women like your buddy Israel.

>>509379299
Imagine the casualties if it was a much bigger island.

>>509379866
>You've never fought against an equal or stronger enemy
No shit? The last time a country was an economic equivalent to the US in a war was in 1812.

That's because there hasn't been an equal since.

>>509379703
"we lost the cold war"....

>>509379916
>kiska
imagine the smell

>>509379916
Let me take a wild guess here, minefields.

>>509379954
>muh gedepee
how much money to you have to earn to live in a white only neighbourhood? here in ruskiland its 0₽

>>509380036
Majority yes, one incident where the Canadians acted like retards and shot a bunch of your guys though. 32 dead, bunch more wounded.

>>509379951
>That's because there hasn't been an equal since.

Bullshit. Even Canada kicked their ass and burned the US capital. They have always been protected by oceans. Only in the 20th century they became a great power.

>>509379109
>ignoring my post
Based schizophrenia.
>>509379107
>Luftwaffe was crippled
And yet they denied air supremacy till the end of the war LOL.

>blitzkrieg
Nonsense term that is used as a catchall for German superiority.
Their specific tactics and their human quality carried the day multiple times, not this “blitzkrieg” which is mentioned once in all German manuals and treatises.
>up a beach
The British didn’t have extensive coastal defenses. In fact their hard defense line was constructed miles inland.
Did you even know that, they made a hard “stop them here line” in the middle of Sussex NOT on the beaches?

>>509378511
Hardly.
They continually hit their targets and traded well with the RAF.

>>509378511
RAF was close to collapse. Had they hit continued hitting airfields exclusively instead of also hitting cities after britain started terror bombing it would have been over. But dealing with the USSR took precedence and the Jews wouldn’t allow Churchill to sign a ceasefire.

>>509379661
the left cant meme

>>509380217
>Even Canada kicked their ass and burned the US capital.
That's why I said since 1812.

And no, the US's economy was larger than even the UK's during the late 1800's. They've basically existed as the largest economic force on the planet for 150 years.

>>509380339
The US surpassed the UK in military power only in the 20th century, so no and no.

They have always hid behind the UK and the UK was constantly busy with other European powers.

The US rose only because all European powers weakened themselves through two world wars.

>>509380502
>The US surpassed the UK in military power
I said economic.

>>509380339
In the 19th century China was far larger an economy than either the US or UK

>>509380604
>I said economic.

That means nothing in the real world without military power. For example, China was an ecnomic giant back then, but was defeated militarily by Britain and France through two opium wars.

The US was protected by oceans and the UK's marine dominance. Militarily, they were backward and could be defeated by any European great power on land.

>>509380220
>they made a hard “stop them here line” in the middle of Sussex NOT on the beaches
Turns out there are fucking huge cliffs and sandbagging is really easy on a beach. Considerably easier than, for instance, getting a massive invasion force cobbled together from guys who've just double-timed it across all of France and are now occupying that territory.
>specific tactics
Such as bypassing hard defenses and difficult objectives like, for instance, an amphibious landing while massively overstretched.
>and their human quality
You're just a meat target on a beach and an old Vickers gun does just as well as anything else when it's not moving. They'd have been turned into dogmeat.

>>509369946 (OP)
Germany had no intention of invading their brothers in the UK
Anglo and Saxon are both German tribes of people.

>>509380604
>economic
Questionable. Gold and silver rushes are kind of cheating. Industrial, fuck no.

>>509380822
It actually wasn't, the 1700's it was but by the age of the industrial revolution economic output of Asia was miniscule compared to the US and Europe.

>>509380841
>China was an ecnomic giant back then
It was defeated by the UK long after the economy of the UK had surpassed China's

>>509380912
Population growth, agricultural output, shipbuilding, steel production, coal mining you led vs the UK.

Not even a concise list.

>>509381138
Ok retard

>>509379006
Anyone who says "british bias" and "insane hitler" as an argument is a fucking retard and a nazi simp, I'm sorry. You should commit suicide like Hitler. Who cares about games? You think hearts of iron is some kind of accurate simulator or something? The RAF broke the Luftwaffe. They had home advantage, resources from America, radar advantage, better aircraft, and a highly motivated population. The Royal navy ships are too many to count, all docked outside of reach from the LW and in range to react to any invasion.

>>509380887
The only people who gave a shit about this racial larp during WW2 were retards in the SS

>>509381167
No, the reason of the opium wars was that China, while being military weaker, got richer and richer via trade with the UK. China accepted only silver back then.

Just because you have some cutting edge technologies they don't automatically make your economy bigger.

>>509380887
Anlgoids are Jews though

>>509380217
The US smashed Canada in 1812's Battle of New Orleans, maintained its independence and accomplished its pre-war objective of westward expansion. Canada couldn't even solve its frog problem.

>>509380887
MANCHE

>>509369946 (OP)
Germany was a land power, not a naval power. Britain was a Naval power not a land power. USSR was also building troops up on the border for their own offensive into Europe and Hitler chose to pre empt that instead of following through with Sealion.

>>509370476
The english channel would be mostly light ships like destroyers etc. too fast, small and nimble to hit with a bomb or torpedo reliably plus the airspace would be contested by British fighters. The mouth would be meanwhile shielded by larger vessels, purely by the numbers Germans had no chance there, as they'd have to use Bismarck with barely trained crew(irl it only went to the sea in late 1940) and few lighter vessels against at the very least HMS Nelson and Rodney and those two while slower than what the Germans had were better armed and armoured and this wasn't a battle kriegsmarine could just run away from. No they have to break in to protect their very miniscule fleet of destroyers and their transport ships from RN.

>>509372246
Obviously Britain was going to have to pay up to finance its war costs, unlike Germany that raided central banks from other nations for free Gold, and used nearly 2x more foreign slave workers in its factories as the Britain had workers.

https://t.me/exposinghitler

>>509383349
You had over 400 million shit eating streetshitter as slaves who got worked to death and India was looted so much of resources/food to fund that war that famines happened and tens of millions dies.
Our "slave" workers got actually paid especially French workers got better wages than national average.
And looting banks is based as fuck... fuck jew bankers.

>>509384547
He mentioned the slave labour anon, not Vichy France

>>509385264
They all got paid even in the east much less than French but still.
If you get paid then you're not a slave.
Our governments nowadays have work programs too for full-time neets difference is the work was not so comfy like today.

>>509385673
They paid the inmates at the concentration camps?

>>509376097
If you land in Britain you can live off the land, champ.
At the very least you can do a Dieppe raid for destroying industrial areas along the coast and then leave.
I am more and more convinced that a small fleet of amphibious assault submarines like pic related could have change the course of the war in favour of the good guys with the funny cross.

>>509370296
The germans werent aware of frogs until 2016, until then they assumed frog meant french sorry about that

>>509369946 (OP)
I will give three:
England had better navy, air force and supply

>>509382661
>USSR was also building troops up on the border

as a reaction to German militarism
remember Germany broke the Versailles treaty by rearming the Rhineland in 1933 already
And their engagement in the Spanish civil war made everyone see the nazi's militarist nature

>>509370032
Came here to say this.

The Kriegsmarine was hilariously outnumbered and outgunned throughout the war.

>>509369946 (OP)
The same reason it took the allies, with infinitely more resources at their disposal, 3 years to invade across the channel

>>509370032
FPBP

>>509383349
Germany had vastly more free labor than slave labor and conscripted labor isn’t actually slavery, slavery is hereditary ownership system of bondage. What Germany had was a conscription labor corps.
It’s only called slavery so additional punishments could be thrown onto Germany. Britain enslaved jews on Cyprus because they had jews placed in a camp on Cyprus and they had to work while there. Wow I can’t believe Britain required jewish slavery to win the war. Britain needs to pay israel 6 trillion in reparations.

>>509369946 (OP)
Hitler was controlled by Joos and Joos were hoarding all their gold into England so Nazis had to be good goys and go fight the commies instead, who were a bigger threat to Joos

>>509381364
>who cares
These war games were conducted by the UK just for laughs and they still had to skew it in favor of the British by building it into the game the German leadership must act with strategic irrationality.
still won 30% of the gamed outcomes.
I don’t know why you’re so mad over this. It’s obviously relevant if the British military staff conducts a war game and the results show a vastly greater success rate and very justified fear of Sealion than what you claim.
>broke the Luftwaffe
What does this even mean? Their serviceable aircraft INCREASED in subsequent years.
Scapa flow is not in range to react you utter retard. Look at a map. It would have taken them 10+ hours to react to an invasion and that is if they leave the moment the Germans touch off.
The Germans land before the British can arrive, this was even in the war game

>>509371560
>muh Stukas
>anon is so green he doesn't now these were raped over England and removed form using
play old Battle for Britain or something
these were hyenas of irforce, excellent to pund ground force, but you HAD to have majority of air control
also 1940 German land based fighters had like 5-10 min over London, unescorted bombers would be destroyed further north even if with attrition

>>509369946 (OP)
>give me ONE reason why the Reich couldnt cross this literal pond of a channel to invade Britain

"Blitzkrieg" is a complete meme that falls apart the second you hit a large body of water or try to do it against an enemy that doesn't have immediate morale collapse and is prepared to fight attritionally (see: USSR)

>>509380871
Well no because the British themselves didn’t believe they could reliably hold the Southern coast.
England is more than Dover you chimp.
>the Germans would be too tired to invade
Funi
The German small unit tactics were dominant over the British and proved themselves dominant on both offensive and defensive even with no air cover, with contested air space the British do not stand a chance.
>meat target on a beach
Armored fighting vehicles are hardly meat targets, but keep shooting those vickers, worked in France right?

Feel free to show us an image of a Vickers on the British beaches
The British themselves abandoned the idea of static defenses anyway.
(You) only overstate static defenses and muh vickers because Germany with a handful of machine gunners so thoroughly devastated the inferior and weak Anglo American forces.

We don’t even know what a successful amphibious landing by a real force looks like because we’ve only Anglo Americans try it and they’re shit at war.
Sorry bro, but your race is just bad at fighting. It’s why Americans are slaves. You’re not fighters.

>>509376508
it was inevitable
soviets stockpiled ammo, fuel and planes near border, concentrated force, drafted next echelons (hence combat somewhat ready units available to keep holes in fronts somehat closed), hec even removed fences and obstacles in some places. they ere preparing to transfer revolution to West, Hitler was just a little faster, maybe less than month

>>509389054
You don't know the good shit that the UK was keeping in reserve if invasion actually looked likely. We would happily set the sea on fire to spite Germoids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_fougasse

>>509378249
>Rein’s official policy for the NSDAP counts the Slavs as Aryans.
preach it then to your fellow neonazi comrades, kvetching to me I'm Untermensh on this board

>>509385849
You could earn Coupons to spend it in a Shop similar to jail Shops here.
And they got good food while living rent free for years. We should seriously reclaim the oustanding rent costs.

>>509378479
>The Royal navy could not sustain a prolonged defense of the channel in the event of a German invasion
you seen what Norway invasion did to Kriegsmarine? make it x10 for Britain
Later on Scharnchorst and Gneisenau were raped in french ports by allied planes, had to gamble through La Manche to Germany - you may use it as tast how invasion would work, sure they luckily made back, but to keep supply on they would make it on basically DAILY schedule

>>509381284
people forget India was #1 during the Roman Empire
there is a book about that
'The Golden Road'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXoPRvOSoQY

>>509379195
>Both GDP and production numbers Germany surpassed British by 1937.
>muh pre war data
when jig was up around Anschluss
everyone started rearmings; Germs might have nice heads up early, but others caught fast
also if pre war production stats would win war, we would be speaking Russian

>>509380281
joke is for right enough is "no"
wall of text is for left to grok
also if you did not notice national SOCIALISM

>>509386407
>If you land in Britain you can live off the land, champ.
heard swamps there are especially nutritious

>>509370476
Germans didn’t have air superiority, which they attempted to establish during the Battle of Britain.

>>509390278
russia didn't have field radios when the war started but the US gave them some asap, the US sided with stalin because of jewish power and in germany the anglo empires stabbed their own shadow
now a century later they wonder why they are bleeding to death

>>509369946 (OP)
Alternate history conversations are for high school boys who are just getting into the hobby. Just stop.

The reality is these people were a lot more in the know than all of us; even if they don't have the hindsight we do, they probably saw things at the time we didn't. These were men with lives, biases, experiences and capacities unique to themselves. They made the decisions they made because they were who they were at that time. So when people ask, "Why didn't Hitler do X instead?" Because he was Hitler; everything else is in the hands of Providence.

>>509389925
>they gave them monopoly money and fed them
So they didn't pay them. They were the slave labour

>>509391407
>US gave them some asap
Sutton i his books points how Wall Street financed soviet pre war industry wit extremely modern machines, hence numbers of tanks spewed from them, even after evacuation in 1941
but Sutton in other books points also same USA financed Hitler regime, rare minerals like wolfram, IBM, oil, even after both countries were in war, until threatened with legal actions on treason charges

>>509369946 (OP)
I assume hitlers obsession with trying to get a working death star had something to do with the 0 landing craft he had

>>509369946 (OP)
The casualties argument doesn't make any sense
> NOOOOO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, THE GERMANS COULDN'T AFFORD LOSING 100.000 MEN IN THE BATTLE FOR THE CHANNEL
> Proceed to lose 8 million men on the eastern front anyway

>>509369946 (OP)
Can you not read?
There's a good wikipedia article explaining every reason why in depth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion

>>509392247
>same USA financed Hitler regime, rare minerals like wolfram, IBM, oil, even after both countries were in war,
Just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with

>>509370608
The German navy and air force sucked in 1:1 battles against UK and USA forces. The Germans actually have a lower KD ratio in the western theater than either USA or UK forces, especially in the air and sea.

The USA primarily (with a little help from the UK) annihilated German industry completely from 1943-1945 alone, with a 95-99% reduction in industry in Germany proper and its occupied lands and allies including Romania, Italy, and Vichy France by air bombing. To put it simply, Nazi Germany did not possess the force large enough to cross the channel successfully without losing over half of its force in the crossing to British air and sea power, and that was before major USA involvement. At the time the UK official and merchant navy was the 2nd or 3rd largest such force on Earth, after only the USA and Imperial Japan, and the USA only pulled ahead starting around 1943.

>>509369946 (OP)
>entire thread is just kraut cope

>>509394566
>with a 95-99% reduction in industry
German industrial output peaked in 1944 what are you talking about

>>509394753
German industry was catastrophically tanked by 1944, and was effectively completely gone by 1945. A similar thing happened to Japan, its production peaked around 1943 but it was losing 5 times as much equipment as it was producing, and over half of its factories were bombed out in 1943 alone. Germany was totally fucked from 1943 into 1944, and its industry was non-existent in 1945.