Jews and Israel spent 75+ years generating immense good favor among the west. This has allowed Israel to grow to the power it has become on Western funding protection and technology. WW2/Holocaust programming brainwashed the entire boomer generation into loyalty to Israel.

Israels power and influence was unknown and unspoken about except in very niche circles until the Hamas attacks of 10/7/2023. Now this is being openly discussed on every mainstream and alternative media news source for the left and right and in every ZOG country and it is being discussed with UNIVERSAL disdain from both left and right sides of politics.

Israel's power has peaked, this would never have happened a decade ago. Their power relies on it being invisible and largerly unknown by normies. Now its visible in everyones face and everyone hates it.

The entire population of western civilization under 65, both left and right, are largerly apathetic to Israel, with hate become the far more common feeling among both left and right wing young millenials and zoomers.

To me it looks like Israel has guaranteed its destruction, long term, through its actions. There will never be a greater israel, jews will not be moving there, there is already a huge dropoff in young jews wanting to go to Israel and a huge increase in Israelis moving out of Israel after the last 3 years of war and the Bibi government crisis even before the war started.

My question is, who will destroy Israel, the Arabs or the Western countries, and when will it happen, how will it be done?

A color revolution by the US to install a globohomo puppet which makes the palestinians citizens and causes most jews to flee Israel is the most likely outcome I can imagine. This would likely occur by 2035.

>>509411728 (OP)
>Israel's power has peaked,
That's where you're wrong wasp.

>>509411728 (OP)
By 2035 there will no longer exist a jewish state in the Middle East.

>>509411898
>>509412060
It doesn't matter what the actual populace think as long as every conceivable candidate for every conceivable government position is a zionist. Thats literally all they have to do.

>>509411898
This is the technology that will be used to carry out the next Shoah of jews. Its very obvious. Its just a tool that will be used by whoever is in power in a decade and that will not be Zionists.

The bottom line is once the boomers lose their grip on power, the generation of people that replaces them do not care about Israel and largerly hate Israel. The people inheriting and running these governments, these companies are not Zionists in any large number.

The technocrats do not care about religion. They do not care about race. They do not care about national boundaries. They are not loyal to Israel but are happy to use Israel to beta test their tech.

The heavyweights in this arena are not even jewish, pic related.

>>509412274
But you can tell that is swinging away from zionists. Zionists only wield so much power over the republicans because of christian zionist boomers in their 70s who are dying in more and more numbers every day.

The recent election for New York City mayor is the first taste of the changing wind. The biggest jewish city in the world (more jews in NYC than Tel Aviv) with the entire weight of the Israel lobby attacking the ONE candidate who is explicitly non Zionist and not pro israel, and he still wins, and in a landslide, with support from blacks, hispanics, asians, whites and even jews. Democrat zionists are in full panic mode. There will not be another overt Zionist democratic president elected. Republicans likely have 2 more elections where they can effectively put forward zionist candidates before it is rejected, but the signs are already there even in the republican party as their youth and alternative media space are very anti israel and clearly will not be zionist when they replace the boomer leaders.

>>509412442
Anon they have always had the power. There are very few stretches in history in which they weren't the true holders of power. They still are and there is no indication at all that they have chosen to stop being that. The only way they will fall is if they choose to fall. They are far too powerful at this point in time to fight against in any meaningful way. Every single politician and theyre back ups and the back ups back ups are all hardcore zionists for money or blackmail or just plain old stupidity. There is no way to beat them when every conceivable candidate for every conceivable government position is a hard core zionist. And that is the exact situation we are in. And its the same in every western country.

>>509412060
I think you';re right, in that it will no longer be a "jewish" after being forced to give citizenship to all palestinians within the country.

>>509411728 (OP)
>Jews and Israel spent 75+
Yeah, right Moshe, whatever u say.

>>509413004
Again your theory depends on the opinion of the populace, the opinion of the populace does not matter nor does their age. What matters is that every conceivable candidate for every conceivable government position is a hard core zionist. You cannot change it with age and you cannot change it with political parties. This is about money and blackmail. Opinions are discarded just like their interest in our well being.

>>509411728 (OP)
I take solace in the fact that Israel is run by Jews. It won’t last very long because Jews are very neurotic and power hungry. It will split into multiple states and possibly absorbed by the Arab world in our lifetime

>>509413064
>There are very few stretches in history in which they weren't the true holders of power.
Anon, take a quick look at history. They get CATASTROPHICALLY btfo every 2-3 generations as regular as clockwork for 2,500 years or more.

You can see the civilizational cycle that plays out. Jews become favorite pets of rulers of empire as their bankers/tax farmers etc, jews grow too powerful and their behavior too acidic to the populace of the empire, the empire crushes them. Rinse and repeat. The elite ruling class jews are usually spared as they ALWAYS side with the elite ruling class non jews over the low class jews.

History tells us exactly what will happen as it happens over and over again.

>>509413449
How can that happen when every single conceivable US politician is without question a very very very very very strictly loyal hard core zionist? The lesser of 2 evils doesn't matter when they are both hard-core and loyal zionists.

>>509413534
By this calculation jews will be in absolute power again within 20 years of them being shoahed, just like every other time. This means they were never actually defeated and just retreated further into the shadows. They've never been defeated. They're still here and still doing the exact same shit they were 600 years ago.
>but but but the populace
The populace doesn't matter. It will do as it is told or it will suffer greatly.

>>509413328
No, it depends on the actual people in power. The generation of people who will replace the boomers at every level of government. The people who run the bureaucracy of the empire.

It also does matter what the widespread public opinion of the voting base is. The bottom line is, they enslaved an entire generation of boomers on the left and right that largerly support zionists and carried out their mission. This enslavement did not occur to the other generations coming after them.

You are downplaying the actual brainwashing system which is even more influential than bribery or blackmail. This zionist brainwashing system has not had any noticeable effect on the generations that grew up wit the internet.

Blackmail is not nearly as useful as it used to be with the changing tech, this is why they killed Epstein their top blackmailer.

>>509413585
Soon the only people that will be elected are anti-zionists. We are at the climax of Jewish power and it is toppling from here on out.

>>509413585
Anon, a non zionist Mayor was just elected in NYC, the city with the largest jewish population on earth and the FULL weight of the pro israel lobby was brought against him and failed. This mayor was in his 30s. This will happen at EVERY level of government as soon as boomers are not candidiates and the major voting bloc.

You will see people like NICK FUENTES forming the psyche of the new right wing that fills the vacuum left by Trump.

>>509413893
Ok I guess we'll see lmao I hope you're ready to be completely let down

>>509414021
It is physically impossible to elect an antizionist

>>509414096
Oh no not a.... mayor. Man it would go right over your head if this was the plan all along for NYC wouldn't it?

>>509411728 (OP)
>The entire population of western civilization under 65, both left and right, are largerly apathetic to Israel
Browns even more so: what's so special about Holocaust? That's just whites killing whites. Only white Christians view jews as "special" or "different."

>>509411728 (OP)
>(((good favor)))
blackmail?

>>509414361
And once jews gain total power its over because you'll never have antisemitic whites again <-- you are here

>>509411728 (OP)
Israel is an angloamerican project that dates to the 1650s. It was conceived first by Isaac Newton, who talked about it in his theology books and in his secret society sessions he would hold as he could not talk about such matters in public. Secret societies were just meetups for heretics.
Isaac Newton devised a mechanics of history akin to the one for planetary motion, and believed there should be logical phases that history had to go through that would end with the return of Jesus. One of these steps was the creation of Israel.
The US founding fathers belonged to such secret societies.

>>509413064
the world will be a better place in about 40 years when all boomers and most gen x are gone, it will be incredibly brown but it will also be incredibly antisemitic

>>509413792
Anon, they get BTFO so bad they have to leave countries entirely for CENTURIES. They get BTFO so bad their entire nation state, temple, religion and race are ANNIHILATED and have to reform centuries later with a bunch of italian converts practicing a totally different religion, rabbinic judaism.

Its not 20 years its much longer than that and as we see the world become more globalized and interconnected it will provide them fewer and fewer places to hide and retreat to. Fewer people willing to stay in the cult.

Jews intermarry outside their faith at higher rates than anyone else. Jews become gay and trans at higher rates than anyone else. Jews become atheist at higher rates than anyone else. They are a dying iron age cult that has served its purpose.

The jews know they are going to get BTFO thats why they are looking at Cyrpus, Ukraine and Argentina to run to once the inevitable happens and they lose Israel. Its just a matter of time. Only this time the Shoah can be done with tech like palantir, with DNA tests, with facial recognition software, with satellites and drones and bioweapons.

Pic related is the result the last time jews had their own country allied to the worlds superpower who they continually betrayed. And that was done just 2 years after a giga zionist half jew Nero was running the empire.

The pendulum swings, you cannot stop it.

>>509411728 (OP)
>GIBS MOAR SHEKELS PLS
shoot the sand monkeys back to allah

>>509413004
>The recent election for New York City mayor is the first taste of the changing wind. The biggest jewish city in the world (more jews in NYC than Tel Aviv) with the entire weight of the Israel lobby attacking the ONE candidate who is explicitly non Zionist and not pro israel, and he still wins, and in a landslide, with support from blacks, hispanics, asians, whites and even jews
Keep in mind that Trump was originally sold to the public as an outright Nazi who wanted to put Jews in gas chambers. And much like Mamdani, Trump was funded mostly by Jews as this narrative was being pumped.

The left is having their Trump vibe moment. I wouldn't look too hard into him being your savior.

>>509414096
>a non zionist Mayor was just elected in NYC
Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic party nominee, he is not a mayor yet. but he probably will be.
>>509414590
the tide is turning. why do you think zionists invented neoconservatism? because in the 60ies they found out the hard way that American socialists DGAF about Israel.

>>509414021
Yes, we are obviously at an inflection point that happens whenever jews get too much power, they overplay their hand and get BTFO apocolyptically. There is a good chance Judaism wont even survive this turning and we will see another event like when Rome destroyed them where the race/religion is basically entirely wiped out and a handful of scattered survivors and converts band together to create a new religion..

>>509411898
Palantir is Chiliad Inc.

>>509411898
>>509415891
Palantir is Chiliad Inc.

>>509414267
A mayor at the very heart of jewish/zionist power on planet earth is openly not pro israel not zionist and takes every stance he can that is opposed to the zionist stances. EVERY millenial candidate on the left and right will be anti zionist. The control relies on BOOMERS running shit, even the ADL was losing its mind over the "generational problem" they have with basically everyone in the west under 60 hating Israel and not being zionist.

Zionism worked in the US because boomers ACTUALLY ARE ZIONISTS lol

>>509414590
Lol total power? What do you mean? They had more power 5 years ago than today. The fact literally ALL the biggest podcasters on the left and right alternative media spheres are openly talking shit about Israel is something that never would have happned 5 years ago. Jews are losing power by the day. They never had nearly as much actual power as people thought as it was largerly smoke and mirrors depending on people not knowing about their unfluence and power and being able to control the narrative.

They have utterly lost narrative control and this is the biggest sign they are losing their grip on power.

>>509414690
>The US founding fathers belonged to such secret societies.
True, and the secret societies all believed that the DESTRUCTION of Israel would one of the events that would occur for the 2nd coming.

>>509411898
Social credit with extra steps.
You Americans will bow to the jew or will be locked out of your Ford F-150.
Land of the free, lol.

>>509415026
>The left is having their Trump vibe moment. I wouldn't look too hard into him being your savior.
Its not one person, its an entire generation. Millenials DO NOT GIVE A SHIT about israel or zionism. Left or right. Zoomers actually hate israel and zionism. Left and right.

>>509415891
>>509415960
Palatir is Chiliad Inc.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/04/business/jeffrey-epstein-peter-thiel-estate.html
Both were created by the Maxwell family.
Both use a company appearing to privatize classified government data as a front to give Mossad access to personal data on US citizens.
Thiel, Epstein, Vance, Musk, Trump, Maxwell, have all been in bed together financially.

>>509416013
>very heart of jewish/zionist power on planet earth
NYC is on a cyclical downturn and jews pragmatically notice this and are bailing accordingly, just like they did with the USSR. Next jewish hubs will be Argentina and eastern Europe (Greece + Cyprus).
>Israel
They just secured geostrategic dominance over the mid east. They have major ports operated by Chinese and Pajeets. They have security guarantees from Russia and USA. They know that everyone in the collapsing west is too dumb and gay to cause any damage. The east is bought in with stakes in shipping infrastructure. It's actually ironically a good time to think about investing in israel.

>>509416891
I agree about jews fleeing NYC. The jews are looking for a new hub obviously because they are on the edge of being BTFO again.

Regarding Israel, they did not secure dominance lol. They have GUARANTEED generational hate and opposition among the entire middle eastern world and the entire western world likely lasting for the next century.

They are a colony of the west and dependant on UNLIMITED UNCONDITIONAL western aid/tech and protection. This is changing as I have described the end of Zionist grip on western governments relies entirely on boomers being in power. The US will not have the same relationship they have with israel today in a decade.

All the middle eastern countries are looking at Israel not as a rational partner they want to increase relations with, but as a rabid dog that is going to have to be put down.

Chiliad Inc's Investigative Data Warehouse was started in 2004, the same year as Palantir's founding. Later, when the Maxwell name became toxic, Palantir took over Chiliad Inc's purpose and mission.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investigative_Data_Warehouse
Except for the part where EpsMaxwell, Maxwells, Musk, Thiel, Vance and Trump, actually still have clear ties to each other. So Palantir is not a clean name at all. Palantir AI in Israel targets Hamas militants specifically when they are home with their families. Musk sends Palestinian Twitter accounts seeking verification so share evidence about Israeli war crimes to an Israeli intelligence company to verify their identity, allowing Israel to target Palestinians who report on Israeli war crimes.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-ai-system-wheres-daddy-strikes-hamas-family-homes-2024
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/21/x-blue-users-will-need-to-send-selfie-data-to-israeli-software-company

>>509417465
>GUARANTEED generational hate
That's existed for 80 years already and they haven't accomplished shit.
>middle eastern countries opposed to Israel
Who honestly is left?
Saudi and the gulf states Turkey and Jordan are cucks. Syria Lebanon Iran got rekt. So, Egypt? They depend on more western aid than IZ. Yemen?

I agree that Israel won't be able to depend on western aid for much longer, but that's why I think they're YOLOing into all these conflicts. The aid up to now was really just looting. I think IZ will actually be able to stand on its own, given the competition is in such a pathetic state.

>>509418111
Egypt, Jordan are only at peace with Isrsel because of American aid. The Saudis keep the status quo because they only care about money but that is becoming increasingly more difficult as the average Arab on the street hates Israel.

>>509418111
I know jews in real life and they call what you are doing "ostrich mode." Burying your head in the sand. Every older generation had the greatest War Heroes in their families from WWII, the Real Men (TM) who saved the Jews from the Evil Nazis, which they made a million movies about. Every history teacher I ever had said WWII was the last war where there was really a clear distinction of "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys." That's how everyone above a certain age used to see things.
Now Israel's own news paper is reporting that most young people don't just not support Zionism; they want to totally end the state of Israel and give the entire plot of land to Hamas.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-most-young-americans-back-ending-israel-many-find-jewish-genocide-calls-okay/

>>509418111
If they lose American support, then Jordan and Egypt no longer get gibs

>>509419759
>Israel's own news paper is reporting that most young people don't just not support Zionism;
So the jews psyop jews harder than anyone else. Keeping a victim consciousness is core to their identity and unity. The idea that ovens are right around the corner keeps the lesser jews in line and cohesive. Meanwhile, which group is actually cohesive enough to challenge Israel today? Saying mean things on social media doesn't count.

>>509418111
Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Lebanon are all looking for an opportunity to hurt Israel, they have learned A LOT in the last 3 years of conflict. Egypt and Jordan are straight up bribed with billions in military funding from the US, which is done purely to keep them friendly to Israel. If that stops they are likely switching sides.

Israel has shown how irrational and vicious they are but also how badly they can be hurt and how dependent they are on the US. They could not have fought for more than a few weeks against Hamas and Hezbollah without US support, let alone Iran.

Again I am looking long term, not next year. But in the next decade

>>509412060
Please be right

>>509412274
Not true. A guy just got elected mayor of New York by standing up to kikes.
Puttiny aside his commie jeet status, he went from a nobody to the winner overnight by refusing to how to kikes.
Jewish power peaked, and the absolutely instant loss of legitmacy anyone has by being pro jewish is devastating. The system can't maintain legitmacy and be pro jewish at the same time

>>509420167
Keep up the good work anon. JIDF and blackpillers are swarming the thread because they don’t want us to believe how good it can truly be. Like you said ZOG is entirely dependent on boomers being in power, which obviously is an era that’s coming to an end

>>509420167
>israel has shown how irrational and vicious they are but also how badly they can be hurt and how dependent they are on the US

they went full fucking psycho and the world must never forget it

>>509420167
Pretty dead on.
Yeah, everyone has seen repeatedly what working with jews gets you; backstabbed. Jews have no concept of friendship, only luring victims into dropping their guard until the time is right.

They've stayed through bribery and fear, but they've sucked up their host and been publicly dealt a humiliating defeat. They've shown they're an existential threat to everyone and also that they can bleed hard. Nobody can afford letting israel getting back on it's feet.

>>509411728 (OP)

>>509411728 (OP)
>generating immense good favor among the west
Funny way to describe bribery and blackmail.

>>509420238
This, but with the caveat that the kike rats don't flee to the West. We don't want those evil creatures here.

Just in case there are any lurkers who STILL don't know: Israel did 9/11.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4qwfH7QVpXM

https://archive.org/details/TexeMarrsWithGuestVictorThorn-TheZionistPlottersBehindThe9-11

Israel has a long history of using false-flag attacks against us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair
>The Lavon affair was a failed Israeli covert operation, codenamed Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the summer of 1954. As part of a false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence to plant bombs inside Egyptian-, American-, and British-owned civilian targets: cinemas, libraries, and American educational centers. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents", or "local nationalists"...

And let's not forget the USS Liberty:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZYjRREqUF0

Israel's attack on the USS Liberty was a failed attempt at a false-flag operation. The plan was to sink the Liberty with no survivors and blame it on the Egyptians so that the U.S. would bomb Cairo and send in troops. Fortunately, the Liberty survived (but with 34 dead and 171 wounded). Unfortunately, shabbos goy President Lyndon Johnson (whose mistress, Mathilde Krim, was a Mossad agent) made sure the entire incident was swept under the rug, and the crew of the Liberty was threatened with court martial if they spoke to the press about what happened.

Here are some of the people who helped plan the 9/11 false-flag operation and carry it out: Ehud Barak, Ariel Sharon, Binyamin Netanyahu, Dov Zakheim, Michael Chertoff, Philip Zelikow, Ehud Olmert, Larry Silverstein, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and George W. Bush, along with the scores of Israeli operatives arrested by the FBI but ordered released by Chertoff and returned to Israel where they were lionized.

Nuke Tel Aviv as payback for 9/11 and give what's left of "Israel" back to the Palestinians.

>>509411728 (OP)
The irony here is that the more anti semitism becomes prevalent in the West, the better for Israel. They need Jews moving there.

>>509424674
>jews move to israel en masse
>the west stops all aid because they’ve grown ever more antisemitic
>israel dies because they’re alone surrounded by a billion people that are no longer bribed to not hate their existence
great plan

>>509411728 (OP)
There are 500 million jews on this planet and they need lebensraum

>>509411728 (OP)

>>509422769
The three B's
Blackmail
Bribery
Brainwashing

Do not underestimate 80 years of WW2/holocaust/pro jew/pro israel programming boomers have been inundated by since their birth designed to make them sympathetic and loyal to jews and Israel.

Do not underestimate the scofield bible brainwashing the boomer evangelicals have had shoved down their throat.

Brainwashing always has been the core/bulk of their power over the US gov and populace. There is a lot of true believers among the boomers who personally identify with Israel due to the brainwashing even if they are not jewish.

Bribery and blackmail are the lubricant for the machine to work, but brainwashing has always been the fuel it needs more than anything else.

>>509424674
Judaism itself relies upon persecution of jews to exist. Judaism as a religion sucks and most jews are trying to escape the cult, the only thing that keep it functioning is persecution that forces jews to depend on the cult for safety.

Now the new wave of persecution will really not be against jews but against Zionists. This will target jews but lots of non jews too. Israel needs persecution against jews to drive them to israel, but persecution against the concept of zionism the underlying political ideology behind the state of Israel is actually incredibly harmful to Israels long term plans as already young jews are not zionist and do not want to go on birthright trips and move to israel or serve in the IDF, they are really struggling among millenial jews and even zoomer jews getting them on board with the agenda.

We are already to the point globally where having an Israeli passport makes you a global pariah. This was not the case 5 years ago.

>>509429568
>not be against jews but against Zionists
Until one must disappear from the face of the earth, no matter what tribe of Israel.