Thread 509643053

How exactly do people even just decide to one day become an atheist?

The most I ever was is agnostic. I never felt the need to claim some kind of superiority of knowledge or belief because I just "know" there's no God, I would just say that we can't know for sure since there's no concrete evidence for either the existence or non-existence of a God of the Universe.

And I just stuck with that for years until I actually became Christian following a set of personal experiences with the Divine, then did research on it and realized the thing Christians have been saying of all these types of feelings and unexplained things you go through are basically word by word the ones I had and encountered.

So, it seems that to some extent, some people would actually have to "experience" this in some way to be convinced. Usually they try to get other Christians to debate them or convert them by words alone, but the conclusion I came to is that people themselves can't just convert someone else, even if its forced. Conversion by itself comes through God alone and the person's own willing choice to do so. The best you can do is just basically "plant seeds" onto others, either knowledge or spiritually based, just something that could in some way speak to them, but that they might not act on in the moment, and only remember it years in the future and then ultimately make a willing choice by themselves to follow religion.

Earth is not 6000 years old
Jews are not more holy nor chosen by cosmic beings than any other race on earth
Snakes can't talk, nor can donkeys
People don't rise up like zombies out of their tombs
Earth is round, not flat
Earth is not the center of the universe and it actually revolves around the sun, not the other way around
A worldwide flood did not happen.
A magic jew did not split a river in half.
There are no 90 billion people currently burning in eternal magic lava.
There is no magic lava.
Magic water does not exist.
Fantasy books do not possess actual magic properties.
There is no contemporary evidence for Jesus.

>>509643242
How's atheism+ doing these days?

>>509643053 (OP)
It is 80 years of propaganda. Drug users seem the most susceptible to the propaganda. Stop doing drugs and remove that shit from movies and schools and you will have zero percent athiest population.

>>509643053 (OP)
Not following any of the Abrahamic religions doesn't mean you're an atheist, jew.

>>509643053 (OP)
You grow up in the glorious people's communist state and are told at school that religion is opium for the peoples.

>>509643053 (OP)
Most of Atheists are lazy sack of shit, Christianity is literally easy mode, atleast Worship Odin, Ra or something you fat fuck

>>509643053 (OP)
There are 2 types of Atheist. Sincere and edgy.

The sincere Atheist are just demoralized, discouraged and depressed people who have been blinded by Satan with pain and suffering. These can be brought back into the light with accurate knowledge.

Edgy Atheist are just edgy faggots who became Atheist to oppose Christianity because it's a fad. They also are Atheist because they were forced to go to church as kids.

>>509643053 (OP)
Atheism is mostly a direct reaction to being under the rule of legitimately retarded abrahamics and their nonsensical and genuinely insane religious beliefs. Basically, abrahamics create atheists through their wrongness.

>>509643242
>Earth is round, not flat
I'm sorry, it's actually pear shaped with a tilt. Nutjobs like you think we live in a ball or a flat surface, we live in fact in a pear hanging from a tree. Have a nice day.

>>509643053 (OP)
It's painful but necessary in regards to foreskin demon

>>509643053 (OP)
You're conflating the antireligious with the areligious.
That's pretty stupid.
Don'tdo that.

Most atheists just do not wish to be bothered with assorted fairytales, that is literally all there is to it.

>>509645941
How do I upvote here here, fellas?

>>509643053 (OP)
>How exactly do people even just decide to one day become an atheist?

You read the bible and you realize how fucking retarded it is.

>>509643053 (OP)
If god is all knowing does that mean he knows what it feels like to take a huge throbbing big black schlong down his heavenly asshole ?

>>509643242
FPBP

Idk what anyone else thinks atheist means, but I don't believe in god, therefore I'm an atheist. I don't try to convince anyone else that there's no god because I don't care. To me atheist is the same as non-religious. Surely anyone who doesn't belong to any religion is an atheist?

>>509643053 (OP)
>How exactly do people even just decide to one day become an atheist?

no reason to believe in any god or gods so you just kind of be atheist

>>509643053 (OP)
The concrete evidence is exisence itself and your conscious life in it. This is an engineering masterpiece you are living in.

>>509643053 (OP)

>The face of Atheism use to be Soviet profuture and protechnology.

I don't think they'll bringing it back merchant bros.

The only question is the position the rest of us take to defend Western Civilization; and being able to do things, like wear nice clothes and speak our minds regarding Truth.

>>509643242
More holy, nope, but chosen, absolutely yes:

“Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Understand therefore, that the Lord thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.” (Deuteronomy 9:5-6)

>>509643053 (OP)
There is a god but whether that god is good or not is another question

lol

>>509643053 (OP)
>How exactly do people even just decide to one day become an atheist?
Everyone is born an atheist. Some change their mind after being taught religion and others don't

>>509645941
>There are 2 types of Atheist
Agnostic and gnostic

>>509643242
Holy based.

>>509643053 (OP)
romania and romanians are far from christians
you are the result of a voodoo -shamanistic death cult from the east that fused with the story of jesus in order to continue the death-cult practices under a different banner
however there is nothing in orthodoxy that would even remotely come to match any "christian" values that would be exercised from right about any other "christian" from Catholics to protestants
your priests own race-cars, are an extension of the Romanian government, dress in clothes that are far from even the notion of "humble", make "corpse soup" which is peak idolitarian (but shamanism explains it) and generally speaking push the people down as yet another state control measure
>following a set of personal experiences
I'm not so sure why Romanians shill this religion so hard
your collective obsession with "religion" seems both cringe and awkward considering that you are one of the countries with the most human rights abuses
maybe it's like psychology, some law of compensation, where you do it out of some form of deeply rooted guilt, knowing fully well what horrible people you are? hmm, not sure

>>509643053 (OP)
Well, you get to pat yourself on the back and pretend you're smarter than billions of theists even though you're a loser that hasn't achieved anything of note aside from memorizing some youtube arguments
Very alluring when you're in your teens

>>509643053 (OP)
atheists are retards, they religiously flaunt that they dont believe in a God and that belief is wrong, i have no problem with that
but on the other side, they believe in a miracle where everything came from nothing, and that gorillions of years passed
how can someone be such a hypocrite?

>>509652462
retarded demon worshipper

>>509652272
gnosticism doesnt exist, it's a cope
you cannot know for a fact that there is no God

>>509643053 (OP)
When I became an atheist (no longer an atheist) I had recently turned 18 and I was reading the bible to my atheist girlfriend. She asked me one single question:
>Anon, do you really believe all of this stuff?
To which I responded in kind, what do you mean?
>Well, like talking snakes, walking on water, you know, like magical stuff?
I suppose I never thought much about it before.
>You never thought about it before, like at all?
Yeah, no, never even crossed my mind to think about it. I just took it all at face value.

From that day on I went from atheist to agnostic, agnostic to apologist, and finally apologist to gnostic. I have done away with orthodoxy in favor of orthopraxy. I've done away with most mysticism-based religious dogma, and do my best to maintain what I see as a Godly life, even if I'm not a man of God any longer.

>>509652990
>you cannot know for a fact that there is no God
I disagree

>>509653085
elaborate

>>509652941
>they believe in a miracle where everything came from nothing
Incorrect

>>509652958
that's actually an orthodox ritual
>romanians projecting
kys

>>509653121
"God" has many intrepetations and when examined, they all rely on personal feelings and bias. Which tells me there really isn't one or at the very least I'm not convinced of everyone else's subjective interpretations

>>509647513
>nothing to refutre the serb's points
um thiest cisters??

>>509643242
fpbp my serb brother

>>509643053 (OP)
why is the christian and the jew wearing the same hat?

>>509653341
if there's no evidence for a God, or anything else for that matter, then you're right to not believe it, this is agnosticism
a lack of evidence does not make the thing in question not real, any evidence for any side aside, the concept of God is unfalsifiable and requires assumptions in the first place, the same is true for the big bang or that gorillions of years, it's an assumption that's also unfalsifiable, both are unscientific and beliefs, therefore there is no gnosticism
>>509653123
just saying that someone is wrong does not make them wrong, you need to actually elaborate like the intellectual you think you are if you want to be intellectually honest

>>509643053 (OP)
One thinks there is no God.
One knows there is God but rejects Him.
The others two are on the top row.

>>509653713
>if there's no evidence for a God,
You've yet to define "God" let alone talk about supposed evidence for it
>>509653713
>and requires assumptions in the first place
Yeah just like I said
>>509653341
>"God" has many intrepetations and when examined, they all rely on personal feelings and bias
>>509653713
>just saying that someone is wrong does not make them wrong
You're strawman is incorrect. Hence it's a strawman

I don't know what started it all, no one does

>>509653946
>You've yet to define "God" let alone talk about supposed evidence for it
im not arguing for a God existing, im arguing that gnosticism doesnt exist
>You're strawman is incorrect. Hence it's a strawman
quote the strawman
>I don't know what started it all, no one does
you just admitted that gnosticism isnt real

>>509654038
>im arguing that gnosticism doesnt exist
Oh, well you're not doing a good job
>>509654038
>quote the strawman
>>509652941
>they believe in a miracle where everything came from nothing
That's a strawman
>>509654038
>you just admitted that gnosticism isnt real
Incorrect. See
>>509652272

>>509654038
The problem you have is you're equating the gnostic claims to fact. It's irrelevant if God is unfalsifiable. The gnostic claims with absolute certainty there is or isn't God.

>>509654292
i wasnt talking to you in that post, that is no strawman against you, i said what the r*ddit tier atheists believe
>I don't know what started it all, no one does
>you can know that God doesnt exist
how are you such a hypocrite?
>>509654512
>The gnostic claims with absolute certainty there is or isn't God.
then the gnostic is a dogmatic unscientific retard, you cannot know if God exists or not, you can only believe if he does or doesnt

>>509652990
But you can know for a fact that there is a God.

>>509655061
no, i believe that the Creator exists, and i admit it
im just pointing out the atheists' hypocrisy

>>509654785
>that is no strawman against you
Still a strawman
>>509654785
>how are you such a hypocrite
About?
>>509654785
>then the gnostic is a dogmatic unscientific
That's irrelevant. Their position is stil a gnostic one

>>509655061
Which God?

>>509655111
Yeah, that division doesn't really make sense. There's also no such thing as an agnostic theist because if you don't know that God exists then your "faith" is just performative.

>>509655241
There is no "which God". All theologies point to the same God, which there can only be one of. They simply use different symbols and traditions to represent that God, which is the ineffable highest Numen and supreme mind responsible for all creation. There's no doubt over its existence, because every effect has to have a cause, thus necessitating a first cause.

>>509643053 (OP)
how do people just decide one day to believe the absurdity of the Bible or Quran?

1) they were born into it (this is often the case, since children will believe this shit better than adults)
2) they haven't read many other books (the fiction in the Bible/Quran isn't even good)
3) they refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are no modern prophets/miracles in recent history. they are all "in the past" and for some reason, this does not bring up any alarm bells in their heads.
4) they are scared of death or simply believe for the "reward" of belief

it's pointless to argue with them because faith != logic, and faith can be twisted and construed into anything they want, in order to make their belief valid to them. it's like arguing with a woman who will use emotion as opposed to logic in order to validate anything in her head.

God does not exist. all religions are made up fiction.

>>509643053 (OP)
Islam is top center-right
Judaism is top right
Catholicism is top left
Protestantism is top center-left
Atheism is bottom left and right

>>509643053 (OP)
atheism is retarded.
I understand if you reject a certain religion or all religions but to deny there is a creator just seems retarded.
If you see how all beings on earth have a purpose, the circle of life and all that it seems like intelligent design to me.
kek

>>509655447
>There is no "which God"
To you
>>509655447
>All theologies point to the same God
Not really
>>509655447
>There's no doubt over its existence, because every effect has to have a cause
So does your God then
>inb4 no he's eternal!
Same can be said about the universe

>>509647341
What about the lava?

>>509655555
Holy numbers

>>509655555
>it seems like intelligent design to me.
You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions

>>509645101
Im afraid Its More complicated than that, for someone to decide to stop believing must be suffering from lack of empathy of others, to feel rejected, bullied, have a miserable life where everything Is injustice, Every single reason to believe God Is not just, thats all Its needed, not some stupid retarded propaganda shenanigans.

>>509655576
>To you
No. Objectively.

>Not really
Yes. Objectively. Story history. Even the Pagans and Christians agreed that they were talking about the same
thing when they talked of God.

>So does your God then
The first cause is unmade, it exists outside of time and prior to time because it is responsible for making time.

>Same can be said about the universe
No, it can't. Not if you mean universe in the purely material sense. A cause has to pre-possess everything it gives to its effects, and matter doesn't possess mind or life with which to give or create mind or life. Also, a first cause necessarily has to be immaterial because matter is corruptible and transient.

>>509655737
Thanks.

>>509656084
>No. Objectively.
Not really
>>509656084
>Yes. Objectively
I don't believe you
>>509656084
>The first cause is unmade, it exists outside of time and prior to time because it is responsible for making time.
Same can be said about the universe
>>509656084
>No, it can't
Yes it can because I can presuppose it like you do God and nothing changes


We also don't know of we are in an eternal cycle, no beginning or end. Just entropy expanding and then retracting to start over again.

>>509656088
Welcome :^)

>>509656349
>We also don't know of we are in an eternal cycle, no beginning or end
If that were the case then effect would become cause and cause would become effect. It would loop back on itself rather than following a clear and logical chain of events, which would make all understanding impossible because to understand something is to know its cause. You're wrong on every point and you lost this argument. I'd suggest actually reading a book or something, instead of just saying "No" to every point that objectively proves you wrong on a level of logical that can't be refuted.

>>509656501
>If that were the case then effect would become cause and cause would become effect
Yeah, a cycle lol
>>509656501
>It would loop back on itself rather than following a clear and logical chain of events
Or maybe it doesn't and when entropy pops, it's reformed different each time
>>509656501
>You're wrong on every point and you lost this argument
This isn't an argument my friend. It's Sunday morning bro lol

>>509643053 (OP)
Have you read the bible?
It's supposed to be the most grounded sacred book and yet it sounds like the ramblings of jewush incels or schizos from 2000 years ago... it's silly, has a boring plot, absurd characters, a clear instrument for brainwash and it teaches me things I already know.

>>509655652
>checking your own post
ruined it you faggot

>>509643242
A serb not being a giant cumdrinker?
A refreshing change.
fpbp

>>509643053 (OP)

Though I am an orthodox jew I can understand atheists and can explain it to you.

Do you have evidence for big foot? No

Do you have evidence against him? No

Why then should you say:

"Ackshually we can't really know if he exists or not. Why do you have the need to say he doesn't exist!?"

>>509657242
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

>>509657354
This

The lion rapes the small dog

>>509657354
But on the other hand humans can experience spirituality in some form or another so being an atheist because of "logic" and never exploring it is kinda stupid too

Its like saying love is just chemistry in braun thats why i wont get a wife

>>509643242
>1post
>There is no contemporary evidence for (you)
eewish nignog.

>>509657886
>experience spirituality
What is that exactly?

>>509643053 (OP)
How exactly do people even just decide to one day to stop believing in Santa?

>>509643053 (OP)
>Literally me
I also never understood the absolute certainty of atheists to know God doesn’t exist. They try some pill pull like the burden of proof and that shit and think that secures their superiority in a debate but never have an independent thought about wether or not their standpoint is solid. If you’re gonna be honest then agnosticism is the only choice which I was till 26y. Then came the Covid hysteria and all the demonic shit with it and I said fuck it, fuck the left, fuck the right and fuck the center, it’s all the same. Christ is the only one who never bowed, never gave in, never pussied out, he’s God of all wether they like it or not. To all who think I’m stupid, read Marc, Matthew, John and Luke. You can call me stupid after if you still think it’s bullshit. If you, just for a moment open your heart, you’ll notice there’s this thing called the Holy Spirit which dwells among us and within, it floats just above our heads and desperately wants to help you become a better person. The world is not empty and meaningless, you just have to give it a chance.

>>509643053 (OP)
> agnostic
Also, what is with you retards thinking that agnostic is a belief. Agnostic modifies a belief. Agnostic atheist, agnostic theist, agnostic believer in Santa. Just agnostic is not anything.

Christianity is false given that Jesus failed to fulfill the messiac prophecies

Cuz Christian communities are unironically extremely hypocritical to such a degree that i cannot possibly be part of em

For reference i consider myself a deist. I do believe SOME deity exists, but it ain't necessarily the deity current religions portray

>>509647439
Who engineered god. A being of such complexity could not have possibly came into existence by pure chance.

>>509643242
>Snakes can't talk
People would have fewer questions if they knew about Sumerian mythology.

>>509652462
>maybe it's like psychology, some law of compensation, where you do it out of some form of deeply rooted guilt, knowing fully well what horrible people you are? hmm, not sure

This is actually a VERY common occurence within society. Romanian Christians are a good example but not the only one. People have this egoic need to "feel like they are good people" so they uphold these values fanatically while simultaneously being enormous douchebags. Retarded if you ask me there's nothing wrong with not being morally perfect.

>>509643242
Fpbp

>>509658189
A feeling

>>509643053 (OP)
>Do you believe in god?
yes -> theist
maybe ->agnostic
no ->atheist
it's very simple, you just perceive any deity as a positive, some mindsets view it as a negative.
I don't like the idea of being an experiment for a hyper dimensional being beyond understanding that just got bored. Some people thrive on that thought

>>509643242
Holy based

>>509652941
Something had to come from nothing. There is no way around that. We take issue with god because someone pulled it from their ass with zero evidence whatsoever. And by god, I mean specific gods like found in religions. As for some kind of unspecified god I neither believe or disbelieve since I don't know how to believe in an undefined entity.

>>509643242
fpbp

Brainlet take, believing in shit that you cannot see or experience is a wilful delusion created exclusively as a cope mechanism.

>>509658609
Every single person out there ends up being a hypocrite to some extent yet you pay more attention to that when it's tied to a faith system instead of outside of it since you're constantly on the prowl for the tiniest possible thing that could go back that you can immediately jump onto and use against them.

Different between hypocrites in the Church and those outside of is that the ones in the Church are at least trying to improve and better themselves so they can better adhere to what's asked of them and gradually become less hypocritical over time as they gain a better foundation on faith and everything else needed.
Hypocrites outside of Church always remain hypocrites and have no reason to change nor axis to align themselves around to make sure it doesn't happen again in the future.

>>509657886
This

>>509659011
Lol, ok