Thread 509712073

What if /pol/ was a delicate flower; what if /pol/ was a hearty tree? And, what if /pol/ was simply a Man with a heart that longs for truth? How would that sound like? Maybe, like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZt52d9k4w&list=RDsYUTPH1Y8Lc&index=30
What does your heart sound like, Anons?

Does not your heart remember your ancestors and does it not beat in time with existence? How strange, how strange.
https://youtu.be/v4xZUr0BEfE?list=RDv4xZUr0BEfE&t=61

Learn to format links nigger
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWZt52d9k4w
>https://youtu.be/v4xZUr0BEfE?t=61

>>509712073 (OP)
>natural law
no, politics is just jewish corruption

>>509712073 (OP)
Yes. All political systems start with "How do we ensure the people with power don't abuse it?"
The answer is to identify malignant narcissists at birth and euthanise them all.
Then it doesn't matter what system you use, anything besides theocracy would work just fine

>>509712183
Ayo, thank you, nigger-Anon, but I differ. Respectfully, YOU are "the nigger" here. Specifically, my links are clean: either, view as "embed," or go directly in one clean line to eternal link.
BUT, YOU add the little arrow ">" which is cool to make everything show up as pretty "greentext" on this side, BUT, it changes nothing to the "embed," and is super-annoying to go directly to the eternal link. Not only do you put form over function, but you are arrogant about it, to boot! You, "my nigga," are a typical NIGGER (or wigger, as the case may be)!
That said, you (again, as a Typical, benighted NIGGER), have not told me what your heart sounds like in its quest for truth, beauty, and goodness.
If anything resonates with you, beyond primitive percussion beats, please do give us a link. Thx.

>>509715144
https://youtu.be/ZNyuwT13fz4

>>509714093
I would tend to agree... But (come to think of it), why not theocracy? That said, is there a tune that expresses your heart on all this? Something that can speak directly from your heart to all of us?
See, e.g.--->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOvsyamoEDg&list=RDsYUTPH1Y8Lc&index=27

>>509715705
Thank you, Fren. That is beautiful and I can understand it. Let me, then, share these with you. My "songs of waiting," depending on my mood. My favorite-->
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B27yQMuTHWc
Or, sometimes, simply this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBji07OtwA&list=RDXmBji07OtwA&start_radio=1
Godspeed to you.

>>509712196
>>509714093
True "Politics" is not corruption, but exactly the opposite. Jewish corruption is precisely what is to be guarded against. "Mandate of Heaven" fits with neither corruption, nor anything Jewish.
Being the centermost & lowest, and serving all, all things flow to it like the waters from all mountains, and all uphold it as the true measure. It does nothing, yet always wins; but not for itself. Those who would be the master, must first be the servant of all. The still center turns all wheels. That is the natural law & dharma.

>>509715887
Because theocracy turns >>509717913 into dieselpunk stalinist dystopia, it's the only system guaranteed to corrupt natural order.

>>509716805
I'm intolerant of melancholy and mournfulness. That song contains a relevant line, actually
>See my raging light
It is to be banished by hope, defiantly if necessary
https://youtu.be/7EqdN8jppSo
>>509717913
>It does nothing, yet always wins; but not for itself. Those who would be the master, must first be the servant of all
Yes, exactly. The only worthy form of leadership is to dissolve into being the agent through which divine benevolence might tend to and nurture the souls placed under one's command. The annihilation of the self is what enables the light to pass through unimpeded, and sing back to health the souls of one's charges, drawing them into the warm embrace of the eternity from which they sprang

>>509718219
Well, nobody wants that! So, what is the solution? How do we maintain a good balance between the temporal (day-to-day; worldly management) & the spiritual? I assume we agree that the temporal excluding the spiritual is a lame one-winged bird that cannot fly; and unable to help itself, it can certainly help no others. And, vice versa.
Frankly, I think, the Iranian model (I repeat "MODEL"), with its interlocking "councils," I think is worth further thought. I've looked at the Greek city-state governing styles and they are wanting (whether Athens or Sparta). Doo you think its possible in the future to blend temporal power and spiritual authority into something lasting and stable? ...Asking for a friend

>>509712073 (OP)
Politics is the preparation of war with other means (von Clausewitz)

>>509719068
It keeps coming back to the aberration that "I am more important than all else", and I think it just needs to be identified and extinguished.
The longer the world goes on without that, the more my song is just Burn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UePiNA--ook

>>509718905
To the ambitious, contentment in and acceptance/respect of natures moods and cycles may seem melancholy or mournful, I guess. But, I rather like your take that this is all resolved by/in HOPE. But not a passive hope, but one which is both defiant and "divinely wrathful" ("raging light"?) as necessary to achieve balance.
Point #2: It is not for nothing that the ancients always said that only those who did not want power were deserving of it. If we truly believe in natural law / dharma, any leader must wholly put aside their desires, and act as a pure conduit for the immanent will (i.e., justice, wisdom, righteousness); no more, no less. No private desires, no special interests, and esp. no jews. Haha. Only in this way can the leader be the true center of the greater wheel; and do all this (necessarily) without movement and without fail. A mirror, as it were, in this world, of the God (however you conceive it) who accomplishes all yet does not act. This is why I like the notion of the "Mandate of Heaven," and the Taoist notion of "wu wei" (no action).

>>509719956
>I am more important than all else
Isn't that what solipsistic narcissists do? Isn't then the challenge of good politics (in the Greek sense) how to keep socio/psychopaths far, far from power? Based on our model of service and the Mandate of Heaven, these types of people are literally by-definition utterly not capable to assume such functions. How do we fix this? I think this is the problem no one has been able to fix IN PRACTICE and which accounts for humanity's embarrassing stagnation (or, more accurately, its boom/bust cycles) for over 3-4 millennia now. I can't speak for you, but I for one find it exceedingly tiresome, at this point, and desire a resolution to this problem. Maybe the Chinese Imperial model (i.e., Mandate of Heaven, benevolent autocracy) can be a guide to get over this hump? Not sure what is needed, but definitely we need to break the clown-world pattern we are under.

>>509719111
You have it exactly backwards. The basis is politics; war is the extension. Clausewitz said that war is an extension of politics; NOT that politics is an extension of war. The desired and actual base state is politics, not war. That said preparedness is always wise. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.

>>509720150
>To the ambitious, contentment in and acceptance/respect of natures moods and cycles may seem melancholy or mournful, I guess
I would almost describe it as "self-indulgently masochistic". If it's something from the past, pay it reverence. If it's something from the present, figure out how to solve it. Dwelling on pain is, I don't know, a misguided attempt to think that you can resolve what's causing it by feeling bad about it? Accept that you're both already dead and immortal, dwelling on a particular point in the cycle is irrational because you're just going around in the same circle over and over again anyway. Focus on bringing it to a higher level of resonance; you have a job to do
>raging light (divinely wrathful?)
Not wrath. Wrath implies a desire to harm others. What I'm describing is banishing the fear and doubt that frustrates your efforts to help other people, which anger can be useful for (since fear and aggression are basically just two responses to the same emotional experience of threat, hence "fight or flight response"). It can also be a light to other people, to inspire the same courage in them

>>509722012
I like the way you think. Our "differences" as you perceive them, are, I think, merely semantic and formalistic. You and I, unfortunately, do not know each other and are not familiar with each other's lexicons of meaning; nor with each other's innate approach. So you understand me better, I do not dwell on the past any more than a sail dwells in the wind that has flowed over it to move it forward. I merely try to recognize the ebbs and flows, but on these patterns I do dwell to better understand the greater cycles and laws. I hope you understand my way of expressing it. I think we generally agree and think in the same metaphysical terms, albeit with variable weights and nuances. That said, I will keep your observations in mind, and check my thinking, since we all have our blind-spots. Your observations are a gift. Iron sharpens iron, as they say.
As to wrath: Yes, wrath can have many meanings....I do not take wrath as malevolent necessarily; merely a great force essentially, impersonal, which balances inexorably that which is out of kilter. More like a species of wisdom, which imposes order with courage and fidelity to the truth. No desire to harm, whatsoever. When I speak of wrath, I might as well be speaking of the wrath with which gravity acts to bring all things to itself. The personal, private wrath, though, never bring anything good, just more disturbance. Blah, blah, blah.
I enjoy speaking with you Anon, and think it's a shame we can't discuss all this more fully over a beer. I certainly would very much enjoy it. Its rare to encounter someone who thinks these things (ideas, etc) are important and is willing to engage (even on /pol/).

>>509724075
>>509722012
Dead internet

>>509724175
Wut?! Wtf are you talking about? Lol. Of all occasions you might have to say that, you say it here. Lmao. I think it's more like you are brain-dead, and too brain-dead to realize it. Maybe it's a Baltic thing...or maybe I misunderstood you. For now I will heed my Father's admonition, "son, when in doubt, abstain yourself." So, I will spare you all the impolite and crass comparisons I was about to make between you and your turbo-bimbo (though admittedly vaguely fuckable) neighbor (Estonian) Kaja Kallas who has far less self-awareness and situational awareness than the potting soil I use for my plants (I was going to say my plants, but then I felt guilty to insult my house-plants). =)
In short, explain yourself human. beep-boop.