Thread 509897112

This whole Epstein scandal got me thinking... why does society even hate pedophiles so much?

There was a famous meta-analysis conducted in the late 90s, by Bruce Rind, Philip Tromovitch, and Philip Bauserman, which concluded that the widespread notion that sexual contact between adults and children is correlated with serious psychological harm is incorrect.

The study found that a representative sample of people who report experiencing 'child sexual abuse' did not exhibit any serious effects when compared to unrepresentative clinical and psychiatric samples, and that experiencing CSA was consistently confounded with coming from a poor home environment, i.e. most people who experienced sexual abuse came from shitty, dysgenic families, and their poor functioning in later life was likely not related to sexual abuse.

The authors critiqued other studies for relying on unrepresentative psychiatric and clinical samples, not controlling for confounding variables, and most egregiously, not even taking into account whether or not these relationships were consensual or not. It's a contentious issue, so honest studies are rare, but there are a few studies which do take into account whether or not the "victim" was consenting which find no association whatsoever with harm.

The study was unprecedentedly condemned by congress, because they didn't like the outcome of the study, leading to congressman Brian Baird, who has a Ph.D. in clinical psychology, to state "of the 535 members of the House and Senate, fewer than 10 had actually read the study, and even fewer were qualified to evaluate it based on its merit".

The results of the studies have largely been accepted by psychologists, and the study has been independently replicated.

Sure, nobody wants to let their kids have sex with pedophiles, but the harm they supposedly cause is massively overstated, so why are pedophiles the number one boogeyman in society?

>>509897112 (OP)
>why does society even hate pedophiles so much?
Its crossed my mind too and my ultimate answer was that societies dont like adults sexually assaulting their children. It destroys social cohesion/trust and is ultimately bad for the future and growth of a society.
Kill yourself you pedophile apologist

Any human being that has any inclination to defile a prepubescent human should be hung by the neck until dead.

>>509897112 (OP)
Kill yourself, fucking pedo.
You destroy a child by turning them into a sex object, destroy their innocence, disrespect them, remove their power.
They will be in therapy for much of their life trying to rebuild self esteem.

>>509897423
There have been many societies in the past where it was considered normal, acceptable behaviour for adults to have sexual relations with children and adolescents, including the pre-modern West:
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17743362

>It destroys social cohesion/trust and is ultimately bad for the future and growth of a society
Do you have any actual evidence for this claim?

>>509897474
>*unless it's a jew
>**unless it's in san francisco

>>509897112 (OP)
sex bad, children good, don't mix

>>509897112 (OP)
>The results of the studies have largely been accepted by psychologists, and the study has been independently replicated.
By independently fucking kids??
How about being abducted, killed, buried, and thus not included in the study? Would you consider that a negative outcome?

Look, this is not rocket science. Hedonistic degenerates who spend all their lives climbing ladders want to do things they're not allowed to do, now that they're on top. Pedophilia is nothing else but one of the ultimate expressions of imprinting oneself on the world and other people forcefully. Another being murder.

Also lol at 'consensually' being even a term on the table when a person in position of authority is taking advantage of someone who doesn't know any better. A teacher can't "consensually" fuck a student because it is obvious that their relationship will never be equal.

>>509897112 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy#Academic_criticism_and_response

>>509897694
Sure. How many of those societies still exist?

>>509897694
>it was considered normal in the past, so its okay now!
Okay, go ahead and drink a mug full of mercury and snort asbestos. It was okay in the past so its okay now, right?
>uhh do you have PROOF that assaulting children destroys social cohesion?
Go sexually assault a child and see how well your points hold up in court you nigger

>>509897868
>How about being abducted, killed, buried, and thus not included in the study? Would you consider that a negative outcome?
Obviously it would be, as it would be if the victim were an adult. I'm not even sure why you would bring such an extreme situation up, it is irrelevant.

>Also lol at 'consensually' being even a term on the table when a person in position of authority is taking advantage of someone who doesn't know any better.
Why do you believe it to be the case that a child can not consent to sexual activities with an adult?

>A teacher can't "consensually" fuck a student because it is obvious that their relationship will never be equal.
Relationships between men and women are not equal because men are superior, mentally and physically, to women. A relationship being unequal does not imply that it is abusive, case in point, a relationship between a teacher and a student is considered beneficial precisely because the relationship is unequal, the teacher being more knowledgeable than the student.

>>509897903
Rind responded to all of those criticisms, you can find his responses on sci-hub.

>>509897917
Most of them. Or are you one of those retards who pretends there is no continuity between current societies and past ones?

>>509898074
>it was considered normal in the past, so its okay now!
I never made this claim. I responded to your claim that societies don't like adults having sex with children with evidence proving that this is not always necessarily true.

>>509898277
>I never made this claim
Youre claiming because it was okay in the past it should be okay now. And if youre not, then what is the point of this thread? What society USED to find acceptable means dick fart in current year.
I get its peak israel hours and the world is turning against your greatest goy, but seriously consider sodomizing yourself with a cactus.

>>509897868

Exactly.

Also, all these "studies" done by pedos themselves ignore the victim's side and only studies the offender's POV and experiences.
Ignores groomed children and ignores their mental state years later. Trauma responses take longer to manifest than a few years.

I know people who got molested and groomed by pedos, I was stalked by a pedo who was insistent, and the cops did nothing about him because he didnt fuck me yet, had he done so, they would have laughed in my face. It wasnt until he raped a 13 year old and threatened to kill her family did he face justice... for all of 2 years in jail.
The people I know who were raped or groomed had aversions to sexual activity, aversion to being touched, deep insecurities and were suicidal before they sought therapy. A lot of this shit won't fully manifest well into adulthood. The mind has a tendency of blocking out bad experiences.

That pedo who stalked me, if I ever had a terminal illness, I'd make it a point to smash his face in with a tire iron. he didn't even fuck me, but he left me paranoid as hell for a few years, and the fact that when he did get a hold of someone he wanted to fuck, he broke into her house and violently raped her, showed I had every reason to be concerned. If I wasnt such a paranoid fucker 20+ years ago when I was a teenager, and used fake names on everything on the internet, he would have found where I lived and raped me too. Him getting put on the sex offender registry calmed him down.

The study that OP posted is the literal excuse that pedos use to justify wanting to fuck children.
There was a pedo in one of the old 4chan knock off sites who went on a tangent about how children are "asking for it" and used the same logic OP did to justify wanting to rape 6 year olds. He ended up banned. Worse though is he was a foreign language teacher and was moving to japan. Every fucking time.

>>509897112 (OP)
You see Anon, generally children don't like it when they get violated by disgusting people. Goes for both boys and girls.
>Why are they the number one boggeyman
Kids are innocent and sex is dirty. Pedo sex is based on the violation of innocence which people tend to have sympathy/empathy for.

>>509898503
>Youre claiming because it was okay in the past it should be okay now.
No I didn't.

>And if youre not, then what is the point of this thread?
Complete non-sequitur.

>>509898516
>Also, all these "studies" done by pedos themselves ignore the victim's side and only studies the offender's POV and experiences.
Thanks for confirming that you haven't read any of these studies early in your post, so I can ignore the rest of it.

>>509898587
This is an emotional non-argument.

>>509898672
>human beings
>emotions are invalid
guess again, autist

>>509897112 (OP)
>>Sure, nobody wants to let their kids have sex with pedophiles, but the harm they supposedly cause is massively overstated, so why are pedophiles the number one boogeyman in society?
So this is how the narrative changes away from the Epstein case, just cut the fluff and just normalize the acts itself. If the elite were a little smarter, they could even hit this position with being "anti-feminism". No need to hid behind the lgbtv mutant freaks. After all, it is historically accurate to say it was the first wave feminism that pushed the AOC to 18 roughly a 100 years ago. Mix in some anti-hag propoganda, because who doesn't love to dunk on some 30-40 year-old Karen crying on twitter. Get some e-celebs ugghh post unironically, and society in 20 years will consider Epstein's case as just an elaborate trafficking scheme, nothing more serious than that.

>>509898516
This is why pedophiles shouldn't just be hanged but skinned and burned alive. Pedophiles rights don't exist.
I am glad you're okay anon. Society is a mess.

>>509897112 (OP)
KYS.

>>509897474
yeah but to be fair trump has delivered on the border and the economy
He's better than kamala

>>509898277
Mental illness sounds tough.
Go away dumb parasite.

>>509898996
One bad thing kills ten good things.

Epstein killed his whole legacy.

>>509897625
>>509897112 (OP)
hm, maybe right. I had a single instance of being molested when I was young, and thought about it later in life and realized what it was. Had zero effect on me and I'm normie as hell, smart, successful, etc.
Like op said, according to their study, bad outcomes probably have more to do with a shitty upbringing in general.
But yeah adults shouldn't be doing stuff to kids

>>509898996
You gotta git gud with your bait game. Change your flag back to normal and try this instead:
>Everyone in the federal government is a pedo, so we may as well pick the ones that gives us a strong border and strong GDP growth.

>>509897112 (OP)
>op quotes a bunch of established kid rapists
>'the pedophiles said child rape isn't bad'
>also the diddlers are all jewish
lol, lmao, holy shit Mossad, just admit you have the list. this is the wackest distraction op yet today.

>>509897112 (OP)
Juden Peterstein used to talk about this. He shut up about it because nobody cares about the studies. The authors immediately stated publicly that the rational outcome of their findings should be to decriminalize sex crimes against children. It is simply another example of why psychologists are not to be trusted.

>>509897112 (OP)
Sex before puberty = evil.
Sex outside of marriage = evil.
Simple as.
But if you're referring to 12-year old child marriage like based taliban practices than that is just common sense. So whether pedophilia is alright depends really on what a child is. Modern definitions of a child have no basis in biology and derive from the Anglo practice of marrying around 18 which was not practiced by most other cultures.

>>509899340
>The authors immediately stated publicly that the rational outcome of their findings should be to decriminalize sex crimes against children
No they didn't. They stated that further research should delineate between abusive sexual experiences and consensual adult-child/adolescent sex, and shouldn't include the latter in studies on the outcomes of 'child sexual abuse'.

>>509897112 (OP)
>why does society even hate pedophiles so much?
jewish brainwashing

>>509898516
>Experts

>>509901315
debunk them?