Thread 510057863

>>510057863 (OP)
pace wouldnt be linear

>>510058110
Exactly, retards can't comprehend that past a certain point progress is exponential.

>>510058180
or logarithmic lol

>>510057863 (OP)
manpower and ammo is the more important metric

>It would take Russia 89 years to win
Is this their way of admitting defeat?

>>510057863 (OP)
>conquer Ukraine
>irrelevant
How long will it take them to accomplish their goals?

Russia has infinity time.
They know that the Western brain is easily distracted each day with some new happening.
In 20 years no one will even remember Ukraine.
Just like no one talks about the American failure after 20 years in Afghanistan.
The consensus of the government and its governed is decided by the media.
Do the jews want you to talk about Israel ? Ukraine ? Immigration ?
Only they will decide.

Russia knows that weak westoids will grow tired and snip their own balls soon

>>510059934
Ukrainians and to a lesser extent Poles are not weak Westoids. If Ukraine falls Europe will be conquered quickly however.

>>510057863 (OP)
Do you retards even grasp how wars are? It's not about painting a map at a linear rate, it's about destroying the enemy's capacity to wage war by wiping out their personnel, materiel, economy and will to fight.

During WWI the contact lines remained relatively stagnant for literal years. Was Germany celebrating how its enemies were moving "at a snail's pace"? No. Germany was desperate, throwing men and equipment at the front as much as its demographics and economy allowed, knowing that the second they couldn't hold on their military would implode and their state will fold. That's exactly the situation Ukraine is in. Know what happened to Germany? Their worst fear came to fruition, and after years dragging men to the frontline with little changes in area at the front, their military couldn't hold anymore, began desperately retreating and Germany quickly lost the war. Completely. That's exactly what awaits Ukraine. Nothing is on their side: not their demographics, not their industrial output, not their economy.

You may continue to cope.

>>510059799
It's good they have infinity time because if they didn't, this would really look like serious failure and humiliation. Eventually continental drift will do the work for them I suppose.
>>510060222
>t's about destroying the enemy's capacity to wage war
How is that working though?

>>510057863 (OP)
you remind me of the water headed faggots that tell me with absolute certainty what the climate will be like in 30yrs because you continued the line on the graph

>>510061890
Nah, it's just a measure of how slow Russian gains have been, not a projection of the future. Russia controlled far more territory in July of 2022 than they do now. Did you know that?

>>510059799
>infinity time
Their interest rate is at 20% nigger, its already fucking over.

>>510062340
21%

>>510060222
WW1 was a very different time anon, information was harder to accurately get and transmit across the front at the scale it is today and if you think ukranian generals haven't planned to pull back "the front" in case it collapses I don't know what to tell you.
I don't envy Ukraines position but Russia isn't doing incredibly well, they've only managed to bomb Kiev repeatedly with missiles instead of definitively accomplish their goals and considering their economy and population are SO MUCH GREATER than Ukraine's it can't be seen as anything but humiliating.

>>510061542
>How is that working though?
every Ukrainian killed or wounded represents a portion of their ability to wage war, its not just weapon systems and manufacturing base. There will come a point when there just aren't enough soldiers to maintain the fight, and once the happens collapse will be exponential. Good warning signs of this are reorganizations of division structures, dropping from 3 to 2 regiments or something while keeping the same level of artillery or anti-tank units. On paper, the ratio of firepower to boots on the ground increases, but it's nothing more than an accounting trick. The men are gone with no one to replace them, the end is coming.

>>510062046
>It will take Russia 89 years to conquer Ukraine at current pace
That is a projection of the future. Did you know that?

>>510062614
>every Ukrainian killed or wounded represents a portion of their ability to wage war,
does this principle apply to Russia as well?

>>510057863 (OP)
Based Putin. It would still be a decade ahead of schedule for the one-century special military operation.

>>510057863 (OP)
>It will take Russia 89 years to conquer Ukraine at current pace
Slow and steady wins the race.

>>510058446
Or asymptotic.

NAFO commits suicide. Russia doesn't need to conquer all of Ukraine.

>>510062779
25 million vs 150 million population
The principle is the same, the demographics are not

>>510057863 (OP)
Ukraine should do another incursion in Kursk.

>>510058110
If you Ukraine can increase its birth rate and build a vast international blackmail network on western politicians, it can keep this war going forever and WIN with most of the caucus regions ending up in the hands of Ukraine.

In fact, this is what I believe will happen.

>>510062614
>There will come a point when there just aren't enough soldiers to maintain the fight
And that's where conscription across western europe steps in.

>>510062779
yes, but when you have populations of 146mil to 38mil, Russia would have to sustain nearly 4 times the losses for Ukraine to maintain parity. Demographics does play a role in strategy, Russia can afford a grind while Ukraine can not.

>>510063093
Those numbers aren't accurate but the obvious question is: Why must Russia always fight wars of attrition where sacrificing more life than enemy life is the only path to victory? Why not win by skill and good generalship?

>>510057863 (OP)
Russia has been around for over 1,000 years and lost 60 million people in the 20th Century alone. Russia will be fine lol, you ever seen babushkas in Siberia?

https://files.catbox.moe/1sk7ur.mp4

>>510063182
So answer this question then>>510063191

>>510062602
What are Russia's goals?

>If current trends continue
They never do.

>its the year 2109
>the city of Neo Moscow-3 celebrates the 89th anniversary of the 3 day special military operation
>thanks to breeding farms and a new super mutagen, the new super mut- i mean russians have developed radiation immunity, with the downside of looking green and decreased intelligence
>the west collapsed by itself, russia has been fighting the automated defenses left there by nato ever since 2085
>russian forces captured the village of shitholekrakovich, just outside lviv, victory is almost here
>after his democratic election for the 50th time, supreme leader putin ponders upon the old times, he cannot move anymore and depends on life support cybernetics, he is 80% robotic by now
>only thing left on earth is the rus horde, and a few enclaves of the last surviving humans down in argentina, living in bunkers
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war

>>510062992
You can't win a race if you die from old age. If you weren't an underageb& faggot you would need to live to be at least 111 years old to win.

>>510063210
But will Russians be fine? Or is that a silly question to even ask?

>>510057863 (OP)
unfortunate but thats a sacrifice we are willing to make to protect freedom and democracy in Evropa

Entire thread is fucking children and chatbots

>>510063191
Those numbers are accurate once you deduct Ukraine's population loss since the last census in 2001, their current population is literally 25 million. That's 6X smaller than Russia's
>Sacrificing more life than enemy life
Nothing suggests that either side has lost significantly more soldiers than the enemy
>Why attrition
Because it is a tried and proven strategy that has been working since Rome first put it to use 2240 years ago

>>510063281
>But will Russians be fine?
Russia will be Russian, perspectives are merely that.

>>510063245
They can't really decide it seems like. It used to be about NATO and Nazis and biolabs, but now it just seems to be about territorial conquest...which was probably what it was always about all along. Russia needs more territory badly. It's the one thing they don't have enough of.

>>510063182
Ukraine has nowhere near 38 million people lmao, about ⅔rds of that in fact, they kept postponing the census since they were being bled dry by emigration and territorial loss

>>510062602
hohols started trying to build another line behind kramatorsk, which is the last line built after 2014 with reinforced concrete, its the line the russians are on now, so russia started bombing cement plants. once they break through and reach the dnieper its over, or else it ends like this >>510062614 and maybe the breakthrough is in the north first instead of donbass

>>510063344
>Those numbers are accurate
Ok well argue with the memeflag anon then because he gave different numbers.
>>510063368
>Russia will be Russian,
Not given current birth rates and the difference between ethnic russians and other groups. But again, will they be fine, or is all that matters "Russia", not the people in Russia?

>>510057863 (OP)
>according to my mainstream, NGO and MIC/deep state think tank (((sources)))
This is for retards who don't understand attrition warfare and who don't understand how quickly things unravel at the very end when a nation collapses.
When Ukraine finally collapses in, say, 1-2 years, the land conquests will be very rapid and very big.

>>510063408
The less people Ukraine actually has, the more humiliating Russia's performance thus far in the war is.

>>510063263
Kino

>>510063463
As you can see I have corrected him
>>510063513
All of a sudden it's not about how low Ukraine's actual manpower pool is, but how bad it looks? Lmao

>>510063219
sure, move the goal posts around but w/e. I'm not familiar with Russia's modern doctrine but I can tell you that the early days of the invasion were eerily reminiscent of the winter war. Their last war was 40yrs ago in Afghanistan, plenty of time for rot to set in, armchair generals, corruption, etc... They are fully capable of learning, in WWII by 1942 they pulled off operation Uranus and only got better with combined operations as the war progressed. They do have a totalitarian streak, and the expression 'the Russian has a broad back' aka he can take a beating comes to mind. They just don't seem to value life like Western countries, so they learn, but expensively, and they'll keep doing it until they run out of bodies.

>>510061542
>look like serious failure and humiliation

America is proof a nation can endure unlimited military failure and humiliation.

>>510063521
Not always well for the attacker, even when they seize a bunch of territory early on. As your map shows.

>>510063713
Idk it worked for us in the same war and we were the attacker

>>510063649
Yeah, if their manpower pool is so low, why can't Russia leverage that for big gains instead of fingernail growth gains? Makes them seem even more incompetent the less holhols there are.
>>510063674
>They just don't seem to value life like Western countries
They don't at all and never have. They know their value more than anyone I suppose, so why argue with them about this.
>>510063696
Kek, salty wog is angry.

>>510062046
>controlled far more territory in July of 2022

That is not true.
They drove through a lot of (mostly empty) territory to reach Kiev, but they did not control that territory.

The cities they now control in the south have been fully integrated in the federation of Russia, the payment system, etc.

>>510063830
How many soldier did they each have on the field in 2022/23/24/25? There is your answer

>>510063245
>What are Russia's goals?

Control everything on the left bank of the Dniepr, to deny this area as a NATO staging ground.

>>510057863 (OP)
Now do WW1

>>510057863 (OP)
Cool, but they don't want to.

>>510063713
Realistically Ukraine cannot defeat Russia, the difference in population and industry is too large.
They can hope for a stalemate by inflicting enough casualties but as you can see in >>510057863 (OP) the speed of russian advances is increasing.
In these sorts of war very little territory is taken until one army is exhausted and then the front collapses.

>>510057863 (OP)
now graph surviving ukrainian reserves

>>510063785
>it worked
Not really. You didn't get all the territory you wanted.
And then it didn't work at all for you in the next war when you rolled into Egypt and lost 130,000 men to 30,000 perfidious angloids. Never mind losing battles to fucking Greece and even France while the Germans were in the middle of kicking their ass.

>>510063830
>Kek, salty wog is angry.

What's interesting is that we fought the exact same wars (because in reality WE are your greatest ally), but because we don't have your retarded "patriotic" culture (which is mostly a jewish psy-op), absolutely no one in Australia is coping about the fact that the war in Afghanistan was a disaster.
It was a coalition of 20+ countries, but only Americans continue to rationalise it as anything but a disaster ("we won all the battles!", "we could have destroyed them if we wanted to!")

>>510057863 (OP)
it will take USA 100 more years to reach Rome at current pace

>>510057863 (OP)
Doesn't work that way. It's a stalemate until one side reaches its breaking point. Then it's over fast.

>>510064076
It really worked, we got most of what we wanted and unlike the UK who effectively sent hundreds of thousands of men to die over no long term gain hastening the death of their empire, we actually hold onto most of the territory we took in ww1 still nowadays
Of the entente countries only France got off arguably better, though at a much higher human and material cost

>>510064023
No one things Ukraine is going to roll into Moscow or some dumb shit. This is more like Finland in the second world war. Be enough of a pain in the ass that you get to keep existing after you lose some territory.

>>510063182
>yes, but when you have populations of 146mil to 38mil,
where the fuck do you get those numbers? jack keene? ukraine can't recruit from the eastern oblasts or crimea. russia does

>>510064191
>>Doesn't work that way. It's a stalemate until one side reaches its breaking poin
RIght
And the economic base of Ukraine is the entire west
Meanwhile, Russia has exhausted their sovereign wealth fund and said they are going to cut back on military spending

>>510064218
Putin will not stop the war for that, plus the soviets won Finland in the end as they achieved their goal of annexing Karelia

>>510064237
It's from Ukraine's copestimates which don't account for post2001 emigration, territorial loss etc

>>510064331
The problem is more manpower which is an unsolvable problem for them, plus the west seems more and more reluctant to give aid.

>>510064237
i just googled it to illustrate the point that Russia is much larger than Ukraine, idc if jewgle is padding stats and they're both off by 20% or something, we all get the jist

>>510057863 (OP)
all they need is 20. US will pull support after 20. Afghanistan part 2.

>>510064207
>the Treaty of Versailles did not assign Dalmatia and Albania to Italy as had been promised.
>Furthermore, the British and French decided to divide the German overseas colonies into their mandates, with Italy receiving none.
>Italy also gained no territory from the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. Despite this, Orlando agreed to sign the Treaty of Versailles, which caused uproar against his government.
>Italy's lack of territorial gain led to the outcome being denounced as a mutilated victory.
>The rhetoric of mutilated victory was adopted by Mussolini and led to the rise of Italian fascism, becoming a key point in the propaganda of Fascist Italy.
Yeah, it really worked so well that the government was later overthrown by people who were pissed off about the outcome. Sure.

>>510063843
Oh it's definitely true.
>>510063882
I don't know. How would you know?
>>510064100
>we
yeah ok shitskin. You will never be Australian

>>510063463
>Not given current birth rates and the difference between ethnic russians and other groups
And you know this from who? Have you ever visited Russia?

>>510064336
No country can fight a war forever. Like the front can suddenly collapse, so can the economy. And the Soviets wanted to absorb Finland as an SSR. They already had a puppet government ready to go. They disbanded it when taking the whole place over wasn't worth the effort.

>>510064578
I have been to Russia, yes. As for how I know, it's based on their own demographic figures, which they classifed as state secrets earlier this year. Why did they do that?

>>510057863 (OP)
>Most of Ukraine consists of regular plains with an average height above sea level being 175 metres (574 ft).

>In 89 years, from now (July 10, 2025), global sea levels are projected to rise by 0.28 to 1.01 meters (approximately 11 to 40 inches), with the specific amount depending on future greenhouse gas emissions.


What the fuck is he even doing?

>>510064603
Well Russia absolutely can outlast Ukraine, The Russian economy will not collapse

>>510059799
>they have infinity time
They better hope they have infinity time, once they shift out of wartime economy it is totally fucking over lmao

>>510064689
No one actually knows that. Russia's economic data is a state secret now. Things like 21% interest rates indicate that things there are not perfect.

>>510064475
Albania was never meant to be annexed by Italy after ww1, and Italy did, in fact, get a mandate an area of turkey, which we then promptly ceded to ataturk as we sided with him in the turkish independence war for absolutely reasons.
>Lack of territorial gain
?
Italy gained Trieste & Eastern Friuli, Trentino, Alto Adige, plus Istria and some Dalmatian cities
Of these, we still controll all except the last two.
Which is quite literally MORE than you can say for any entente power bar France. Wtf did hundreds of thousands of English, American, Canadian, Australian, South African and New Zealand boys die for in ww1 that they still retain today? Absolutely fuckall, that's what. They became wormfood for nothing
>But Mussolini was le angry
Yes leafjeet, politicians hype up crap to get people to side with them just like Hitler did pretending that Versailles was worse than it really was, wow you're so smart how did you figure it out

>>510064689
>The Russian economy will not collapse
How do you know this?
>>510064797
China made almost all their economic data a state secret too. I'm sure that doesn't mean anything of course...

>>510064507
You can look it up

>>510064628
Why are you trying to engage in conversation ? Normally Ukraine shills just spam your shitty drone porn and pretend Ukraine suffers no losses.

>>510064809
Absolutely retarded reasons*

>>510060222
Germany was not supported by an alliance of far more powerful empires willing to supply it endlessly. Germany most certainly did not lose the war because they fucking ran out of men lol

>>510057863 (OP)
They don't want to conquer Ukraine,they just want nato to stop doing regime changes and setting up bio warfare facilities and missels on their door step

>>510064797
They have a lot of problems but they will never collapse, they might decline, but even then they will just cope with it. The USSR fell apart because of ethnic tensions exacerbated by economic problems, but Russia is in a much much different position.

>>510064846
Where can I look it up?
>>510064884
I made you angry because you have no response and would actually prefer drone gore lmao.

>>510057863 (OP)
>They don't count Kursk
Another dishonest propaganda analy?

>>510064809
>yeah but italy gained some territory
Yes. We covered this already. I said that you didn't get everything you wanted. Not that you got nothing. If you got everything you wanted Mussolini would have had nothing to whine about.
>everything mussolini and hitler said was a lie the treaty of versailles was actually a really great one italy and germany
Very convincing.

>>510064948
I'm not angry i'm just surprised you niggers never try to argue. Ukraine is in a worse place now than in 2022 that makes me happy.

>>510057863 (OP)
Dude, if i would get 15 square km i would be set for whole life.

>>510064948
Various osintbros and mappers for each side
>>510065020
Yeah Versailles was fairly lenient on Germany and awarded Italy for more land which we still retain than any other entente power except France.

>>510064932
>it just can't happen
This is just blind faith by you.
>because of ethnic tensions exacerbated by economic problems
Russia is full of mudslimes. They import them to do awful jobs for low pay like we do for Jeets.

>>510064884
Mushroom head ahh nigga cuh

>>510065128
>I'm not angry
You clearly are though. You don't seem very in touch with your emotions anon.
>i'm just surprised you niggers never try to argue
I am now but you have no response and it is what is making you angry, as I said.
>>510065170
Where though?—and how do they know?

>>510065146
Sorry all that land belong to Russia and what is left will go to Blackrock and Vanguard. Maybe you can marry some old hag with no relatives and get a nice chunk of Estonian farmland.

>>510057863 (OP)
ok then how long will it take ukraine to defeat russia

>>510065221
Russia has always had mudslimes because of their southern region, they don't import them and use them as meatshields for their 1200+ day special operation.
>it just can't happen
not as long as China and India exist and oil exists, they will keep sputtering along

>>510065239
Aren't you the same mutt that had a mental breakdown when the first Abrams got wrecked ? You right just like that bot did same reddit snobbery.

>>510064797
Yeah at least they post 21%. We have here officially only 8%, while i have kept shopping checks and i can easily verify it's at least 20%.

>>510065170
>versailles was fairly lenient on germany
You live in a parallel reality.
>italy got land
Yes. Again, we covered this already. At no point have I said that you didn't get anything. Just not enough. You are not going to convince me that it was a great deal for you when your government was overthrown over this issue shortly thereafter.

>>510065352
Now you just keep making up ad hominem fantasy instead of arguing. It's sad and speaks to your anger.

>>510065320
>it's always been this way
Then Russia isn't really in a much much different position.
>china and india and oil
China is in it for China. India is a shithole, the Rupee is ridiculously volatile, and India needs to appease the West to some degree because they are perpetually worried about China. OPEC can tank the price of oil whenever they feel like it, and it's being predicted that they will take it under $60 a barrel soon.

>>510065474
Nigger please, Germany didn't even have to pay reparations in full and their territorial losses were minimal compared to what their allies AH or Ottomans had to endure. Even what they had imposed on Russia was FAR HARSHER than conditions that were dictated to Germany
>your government was overthrown
Lmao do you know the lifespan of the avg Italian govt? You're so out of your depth here it's amazing, your whole argument here is basically you going all sóyface upon the realization that demagogues in Italy or Germany will hype up whatever minor slight for their own gain and taking their own word as gold.

>>510065775
>Then Russia isn't really in a much much different position.
In the USSR it had a bunch of kazakhs, baltics, ukranians and turkmen to keep from breaking away, the very small populations in the south are a breeze in comparison.
>China is in it for China. India is a shithole
China has an incentive to keep Russia in the fight to distract the US and India wants cheap oil and gas to fuel its growing economy

>>510064628
Russia spans 11 time zones and is the largest country by landmass. They conquered and the non's who got conquered are now Russian citizens lol. You banderite faggots are dumb

>>510065865
>yeah well i think it was a great treaty and hitler just mind controlled everyone so there
Yeah, repeat your absurd bullshit for a fifth time. Surely I'll agree with your dumbass opinions then. Make sure you call me a double nigger this time and throw the word sóy in there a few more times while you're at it.

>>510065934
>Russia spans 11 time zones and is the largest country by landmass
Why do they need more land so bad then?

>>510066041
Keep sperging, shidding and farding as you take 100 years old propaganda at face value, you remind me of those amerimutts who fall for medieval religious hoaxes like Pilate's letter. Must be a deracinated new world mutt thing

>>510066283
>noooo you have to agree with my stupid opinions or i'll be very sad
I don't care.

>>510066360
You care enough to sperg as you post another worthless reply lmao

>>510057863 (OP)
are these the same mathematicians that predicted russia would run out of ammunition in 3 days?

>>510066456
No one ever said that and you need to make up nonsense for a reason.

>>510065877
I thought Russians and Ukrainians being the same people was the whole premise of this speshul operation?
In 1989 Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians made up 70% of the population. As of 2010 Russians make up 75% of it. And it's certainly worse now. That's not terribly different.
>china will save them
Yeah, until it's no longer convenient then they'll stab them in the back and steal a bunch of land.
>india
Also needs to appease the West and can't just do whatever they want or they'll be left to the mercies of China and they know it.

can you imagine being on /pol/ 80+ years as a regular on the /uhg/ and /chug/ threads because this conflict keeps being extended?

>>510066396
>you posted on 4chan
Yes, that's what I came here to do. Like you are. Like everyone in this thread is doing. Context nigger. I don't care that you are sad. I'm still slightly entertained by your bantz, but even that is getting pretty boring.

>>510066718
So you will post endless seethe by pretending not to care? Lmao do go on

>>510066616
Russians are now 80+% of the population actually and to suggest that the current situation is anything like 1991 is retarded. Also the Russian goverment allowed 1991 to happen, they wanted it as they wanted an independent Russia, there is no majority population wanting to break up the current Russia.
>Yeah, until it's no longer convenient then they'll stab them in the back and steal a bunch of land.
that won't be until it overtakes the US, which might be never

>>510066852
>Russians are now 80+% of the population
How do you know this when their demographic figures are classified?

>>510066880
They published them before the war
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Russia#1989%E2%80%932021

>>510066791
>please stop posting i really need the last word here
Nigger, I listened to what you had to say. Your argument was just that you feel like the treaties are okay and hitler mind controlled people and it frankly it's a boring shitty opinion. Of course I don't care that you are sad that I don't agree with it.
If you really need the last word that fucking badly just reply to this and I will let you have it. Holy fuck.

>>510066953
But what are they now?

>>510067011
Probably more Ukrainians, although a lot of those speak Russian and consider themselves Russian

>>510066242
Because they are Conquerors and have objectives

They'll run out of people before that. They're losing 10 to 20k a month.

>>510067008
You want to see actually harsh treaties? Go look up Brest-Litovsk or the dismemberment AustriaHungary and the Ottomans were subjected to. Or read up on Germany not even fully paying war reparations. Your sole argument boils down to sóyfacing over a demagogue practicing populism. Again, when I call you a dumb nigger it's not some liberally handwaved insult, it's an apt descriptor. You're a dumb vantablack gorilla nigger.

>>510067068
Well Russia just needs to keep killing the ones who don't until they do and love Russia.
>>510067183
That's not an answer. You're just saying they do what they do because of what they are and for their reasons. This is pathetic and makes clear you cannot answer the question honestly.

>>510066852
>>510066953
It's only 80%+ if they remove the 11.64% of people who didn't put down anything. Which then makes it hard to compare to the previous census data where there was no option to not respond to that question. Following the previous trends it would in the mid to high 70s.
And anyway, according to this the Russian % of the population has been near the same going back to 1926. Which is the opposite of things being much much different now like you claimed. So this is worse for you than the data I found.

i love Russian cope. Ignore the fact that they've been stalled out longer then WW1 took place. Every day is 3 days til the front line collapses to them. If Russia was competent Ukraine wouldn't have existed after 2 weeks of a successful invasion. Every day that Ukraine still exists and every Russian that dies is all gravy.

>>510057863 (OP)
two more centuries

>>510067483
There are no more big countries to split off, nevermind the fact that the USSR split because the Russians also wanted independence under Yeltsin.
There is nothing more to split into.

>>510057863 (OP)
The idea of Russia being based is a mirage.
https://aestheticstalin.substack.com/p/the-russian-mirage-why-the-populist

>>510060222
Problem is that Russia can't wipe out materiel and the economy since both of those are provided by western allies. That leaves them only with the option of killing as much resisting Mykola's as possible.

>>510057863 (OP)
Jews did this

>>510067866
Most of these ethnicities add up to a combined total of 5 guys standing around a yurt

>>510067898
I don't need to read your spergpiece

>>510067707
>There are no more big countries to split off, nevermind the fact that the USSR split because the Russians also wanted independence under Yeltsin.
Objectively false.

>>510060222
> It's not about painting a map at a linear rate.
Correct, but it's also about who deepthroats deeper and swallows more opponent propaganda, when the only factual reality is that of the battleground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvXwzop2yao

Ukraine has lost the most territory, Ukraine is making the best job at standing their ground.
The next questions are, who has the deeper pockets and who has the most weapons.
IMO the biggest revelation in this matter is that the most unsuspecting gollum is showing to be the shrewdest operator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5GRao88HSA
Without declaring a war to anybody nor risking international retaliation for invading SK, NK now has an actual battlefield experienced army.
>>510059799
>Russia has infinity time.
True, they are never giving back those lands and all they need to do is dig deep and bid their time.

>>510064218
>attack
>cede territory as a result
>entire alliance ultimately lost the war
>but they were pain in the ass, so they won

>>510057863 (OP)
despite what your rotten mutt brain believes, hohols do not just infinitely respawn on the streets for meatcatchers to grab in perpetuum.

>>510063713
But the attacker doesn't matter in a war of attrition. It is who can absorb and replenish their losses.

>>510057863 (OP)
>hehe Russia superweak weak
>also EU must arm itself or learn to speak russian

Isn't Russia's pace of advance accelerating over the last few months?

hmm. so war is a linear function, according to a pederast from think tank in dc. okay, cool

>>510063294
>we
Oh, interesting flag
>>510063344
Hello Marxio, still butthurt about getting your shit kicked out of /uhg/?
>>510063418
1 point deposited to your social credit account
>>510072791
0.3 percent of Ukraine taken, so much for decisive victory.
By the way Russia isn't invincible by any metric despite being the largest country on Earth still gets its shit wrecked from time to time:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

>>510063129
>if Ukraine can increase it's birth rate
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

They will make peace sooner or later. When they do one million young Ukrainian men will leave the country permanently out of fear of being trapped again in case Russia doesn't hold their promise (as they never do).
And that's the end of Ukraine demographically. Their baby boom will take them from TFR 1.0 to 1.2 which was their pre-war numbers.

>>510073785
>Russia doesn't hold their promise (as they never do).
Can you name one such an occasion?

>>510073785
>as they never do
remind me, what were the minsk agreements?

>>510057863 (OP)
Imbecile thinks the war is about conquering territory
Imbecile is in denial of reality
Imbecile does not understand "attrition"
Imbecile is in denial of nightly missile barrages (that do not add/subtract territorial gains)
Imbecile posts evidence that they/them is an imbecile

There's gunna be a hot time
in the old town
tonight
beep beep
https://t.me/AMK_Mapping/15369

>>510073377
>0.3 percent of Ukraine taken, so much for decisive victory.

The point is that the Russians seem to be moving faster now, and taking bigger chunks at a time. That's what I saw in the last proofs from the front. I think the Ukie line is close to breaking.

>>510075129
I think so too. in 3 days kiev falls. proofs? why you need proofs? I think

>>510073987
1939 non‑aggression pacts 1941 neutrality Soviet invasion of Manchuria/Sakhalin
Khasavyurt Accord / Chechnya peace accords 1996, 1997 Renewed warfare 1999–2000
OSCE troop withdrawal pledge 1999 Delayed and invaded Georgia 2008
2008 Georgia ceasefire 2008 Russia failed to withdraw from Abkhazia/S. Ossetia
Budapest Memorandum 1994 Annexed Crimea (2014), invaded Ukraine (2022)
Ukraine Friendship & Black Sea / Azov Sea treaties 1997/2003 Violations via Crimea annexation, maritime control
Kharkiv Pact 2010 Unilaterally terminated post‑Crimea 2014
Minsk I & II agreements 2014, 2015 Continued hostilities, troop presence, illegal group support
INF, CFE, Open Skies, New START, Vienna Document 1987–2011 Multiple suspensions, deployments, withdrawals, inspection violations
Chemical, Biological Weapons Conventions 1972–1997 Retained prohibited stockpiles, suspected bioweapons activity
UN/Helsinki/Paris/Belovezha charters 1945–1991 Aggressive military actions over decades violating non‑use and territorial integrity
Incidents at sea/air protocols 1970s–1980s Buzzing US ships, dangerous military encounters in shared air/sea spaces