>He owns land but isn't growing a food forest
Woooooow, what an idiot.

I don't own anything

You could be growing all sorts of weird, delicious fruits that would cost you an absolute fortune to purchase.
These aronia berries have more antioxidants than basically anything else. Ridiculously good for you and buying the plant costs less than buying a few hundred grams of berries.

>>510291865
Do you have a South facing window?
There are all sorts of plants you can grow indoors.

>>510291558 (OP)
U grow these little niggas in canada?

>>510291558 (OP)
The only thread im happy to see posted everyday

>>510292135
Kiwiberries do grow in the Southern end of the country, yes.
They're good to like -35, -40C.

>>510291935
Do they even survive the Canadian winter?

>>510291997
im homeless. Typing from library

>>510292452
Aronia berries are good down to like zone 3 or something.
A lot of plants literally *will not* fruit unless they get really cold temperatures for a certain number of days. A lot of stone fruit are like that.

>>510291558 (OP)
look at this wild blackberry smoothie i made with the blackberries i picked.

>>510292598
Then what you should probably be learning is different foods you can forage. That's going to be really a local thing, so I can't really give you any advice on it.

>>510292670
That is the most purple thing I've seen in a long time. Looks absolutely delicious.

>>510292720
did you feel bad for me?

>>510292720
should i eat these mushrooms?

>>510292804
Do you test every poster for empathy or just the ones who make threads that can only improve your quality of life?

>>510292863
he is a palinterer social credit score bot

>>510292855
I think you can but I'm not extremely knowledgeable on mushrooms

>>510292855
>Mushroom
No.

Even "safe" varieties can become toxic if they grow near a toxic variety due to lateral gene transfer. Unless you're a mycologist, the default answer is NO and even then a lot of actual mycologists bite the dust eating something they thought was safe.

If you like mushrooms, I recommend you learn to grow them yourself. It's fairly simple and very lucrative if you sell to restaurants in your area.

If you don't think you like mushrooms, it's because you're cooking them wrong. Wash them (WITH WATER), coat every surface of the mushroom with oil, sprinkle a bit of salt and then cook it until all the moisture is gone and it has a nice meaty texture.

NEVER BUY CHINESE MUSHROOMS.

>>510292855
compare the spore prints with jack o lantern msuhrooms, compare the gills and see if you still want to try it

>>510293233
As soon as you need to break out a microscope to tell if you can eat something or not, I NOPE out.

>>510292804
I felt bad for you anon. And for op. I planted 6 apple trees, one fig tree, one persimmons tree, three blueberry bushes, and one serviceberry bush.

>>510293132
>>510293310
reddit nigger
>>510293082
your safest option is looking at spores under a microscope
your easy option is putting the mushroom cap on some white paper with a cup over it for a few hours so you can see the spore print
use foil in case it's a white spore cloud (or use your brain if the white paper looks blank)

>>510291558 (OP)
Own land.
Growing trees, to burn in my wood stove.
hazel grows very fast.

>>510293345
Very nice, Anon.
How big do persimmons get? I got a spot just begging for a dwarf or semi-dwarf tree.

>>510292649
Here's my jujube tree.

>>510293907
Nice!
That one also grows here. It's on my list of options for the few spots I haven't totally filled.
I'm also looking at goji berry

So many fruits you can't buy, or at least not affordably!

I have Plums in my Garden... Want to breed Eteworts though!

>>510294423
Which kind? European plum?

>>510294482
Most probably. Or a Landrace.

>>510291997
what are shit that is easy to grow inside?

>>510291558 (OP)
That’s candy. Not food.

Look at the fucking price of bilberries.
Then look at the price of a bilberry plant.
If you aren't planting stuff, what are you fucking doing?

>>510294598
Nice. Those are the best ones for making prunes.

>>510294648
It depends on how much light you get, but there are a bunch of dwarf trees that can be done inside.

>>510294714
>Not eating the candy straight off the vine

I'm growing the basics. Tomatoes, beans, peas, broccoli, dill, oregano, parsley, cucumbers, lettuce, melons, cabbage, apples, peppers and a small mix of others.

The jew fears the home gardener.

>>510294797
Most of those are annuals, though. That means that you have to expend more effort planting it again every year.
If you focus on perennial crops (or things that self-sew well), then you get maximum yield with minimum effort.
The idea is to make it so easy that anyone can do it. You don't have to be 100% self-sufficient, just more than you are now.

>>510294966
self-sow*

>tfw last year's seeds have turned into full tomato plants with tomatoes on them
I have achieved full circle

realistically you can buy a lot of food cheaply already.
instead of larping.
waiting for a harvest that may never come.
not to mention the back breaking work.

>>510294648
It really depends on your area

>>510294767
I have apples, yuzu, blueberries, olive trees, asian pears, marijuana, tobacco, asparagus, squash, melons, cucumbers, tomatoes, ground cherries, tomatillos, carrots, turnips, peas, beans, potatoes, beets, kale, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cesily, burdock, fennel, caraway, anise, mint, onions, garlic, ramps, tea (Korean, Indian, and Japanese), many other things. Fruit is candy excepting the apple though.

>>510293233
its not those ones, i have tge jack o latern like alike too though

>>510295043
If you can buy food cheaply now, then you can survive long enough for it to give you a crop. If you wait until things get too expensive, then it'll be too late.

I planted 2 fruit trees this year so stfu

>>510295138
>ground cherries
I ate so fucking many of these growing up.
Got any rhubarb? One of the most underrated vegetables, IMO.

>>510293345
good luck, this fucking nigger ate every single peach on my peach tree the other night

>>510294767
I'm wondering if I should proceed with Carnivorous Allotropa × Hemitomes which utilise Fungi to aid Insect Digestion?

>>510295375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_D3VFfhvs4

>>510294966
The old lady and I enjoy gardening. It's a fun side hobby with the reward of great tasting healthy food. I'm not in it for the large scale.

I made around 2.5 gallons of home made tomato sauce last year. Canned it all up. Always nice to make a fresh healthy pasta over the winter.

>>510295317
Nah I get that from the woods, same as mushrooms and evergreen huckleberries and salmon berries and other cane berries. Rhubarb is loaded with oxalic acid though, it’s really bad for you. Much like spinach.

>>510291865
you must be happy then

>>510295487
If you make sure to only use the stems and cook it, it's generally fine.

>>510295375
I heard their fur is nice ... lay a trap and take revenge on this little COON

isn't homesteading illegal in america?

The rubus family has so many interesting varieties you'll never find in stores.
Thimbleberries taste like a raspberry, but waaay more intense.

Our ancestors here in SE Canada/NE US went NUTS over pawpaws, yet the average person here doesn't even know these fruit exist anymore.

>>510295650
If you eat a tiny amount maybe 1-2 times a year it’s fine. But it’s among the highest in oxalic acid. You can scour rust off of steel with it.

>>510295974
Yeah they’re good. Can’t stand handling though.

>>510296421
>Can’t stand handling though.
Exactly. Too fragile. You'll never find a box of them in stores. At most you could maybe find a really expensive jam.

But if you grow it yourself, you can eat them right off the bush (which is NOT thorny like most other rubus plants).

>>510296546
I just get that type of thing from the woods. Cane berries are a mess and take over.

This year I’m going to start some shiitake logs.

I've been interested in growing things lately. It seems like such a great idea.
Maybe I'll try growing strawberries.

>>510296908
Strawberries are among the more difficult plants to grow well, but very rewarding when it goes well.
You should ideally look up all the interesting local fruits that other people can't get.
Like you could grow some ice cream beans!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL-Qsr_mPrA

If you're in an arid environment, you still have options!
Cactus pears are fucking amazing.

>>510296908
grow papayas, they grow fast as fuck. just plant the seeds from a papaya from the mercado

>>510300113
If you're going to grow a fruit, why grow the same variety as the store?

>>510291558 (OP)
>You must own land to grow stuff
lmao, what a retarded take.
Just go around and drop seeds here and there. Who's going to stop you?
Then come back later and harvest whatever grew.

>>510300325
Well, the birds will love you, anyway.

>>510298264
You'll get called Mexican but it's whatever I guess

anons be wearing high heels and an apron in the kitchen, making delicious jams and jellies and compotes made from their clitberry bushes and acting like it's not the gayest thing ever

>>510300675
Maybe the varieties I've had were better.

>>510300726
>Wearing shoes indoors
Tell me you're low class without telling me you're low class.

>>510292855
The bad mushrooms give you liver failure so technically if you can get another liver you get a second chance.

>>510291558 (OP)
You are doing gods work anon. I have lemon, lime, tangerine, orange, kumquat and loquat trees. Okra, tomato, peppers, onions, green beans, watermelon ect ect plus 25 hens one one acre, I plan on getting a pig or two next spring once I build a pen Iove what you're doing and keep posting good threads!

>>510292670
>How to get the shits fast
Looks good but I wouldn't down more than 8oz at a time

>>510291865
>>510291558 (OP)
Believe it or not, it's a pain in the ass
The trees will produce more food than you can consume and you have to be out there every day picking up rotting food that smells like ass and attracts all kinds of bullshit from wasps and flies to skunks, deer, and inevitably predators like bobcats, foxs, Coyotes, and wolf's.
Then there's the oarisites those all bring like ticks, fleas, and tapeworms from their feces.

Basically your garden of Eden fetish isnt realistic without a few slaves

>>510291558 (OP)
Im trying to do this but fuck its expensive when you have to buy all the trees. Blackberries amd strawberries are easy to spread tho. Any suggestions?

>>510291558 (OP)
>now just beekeeping and giving the entire ecosystem in a 5 mile radius a orgy of pollination
wooooooow what a retard

>>510305184
buy your trees here https://www.tytyga.com/
i did and was very pleased. i got the 2'-3' ones

I built an underground greenhouse and I'm growing stuff that has no business growing in ireland. Being sunk into the ground means that it will never freeze inside of it. I have several types of passion fruit, grapes, oranges, lemons, feijoa, guava, couple of lychee trees, avacado, dragon fruit, Chilean guava and lots of strawberries. Have a bunch of stuff outside too. Currently growing about 20 types of fruit. I really want to get a pawpaw tree, that shit looks so cash.

>>510305178
Or you can just not worry about it, you big baby. You're feeding wildlife and it will clean itself up

>>510291558 (OP)
Yeah let me just spend hundreds of dollars so that when eventually maybe if it fruits in 10 years it’ll get picked clean by bugs birds and rats

Retard

>>510305178
>Too much food to eat
Preserve the food, sell it or give it to friends/family.
>>510305184
Depends on the variety. If it's something that requires grafting, then yeah the prices are always going to be worse.

My suggestion is to first find out what hardiness zone you're in.

>>510305923
Bushes I planted last year are already giving fruit.
I made a raspberry, honeyberry, red currant cheesecake.

>>510306043
>>510306192
Irrigation water is the biggest limiting factor in much of the US, especially the west. I could grow much more if I didn't live in a desert with cold winters and hot summers. People who live in areas with decent rainfall have it so fucking good.

>>510291558 (OP)
I dont need more bugs all for apples and shit i wont eat anyways.

>>510295375
so, shoot it??

>>510306766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2brxBRnRH4

>>510305807
>Just turn your food source into a rat and cockroach infested shit hole

You've obviously never been around food production or land.

>>510306043
>Preserve it
It's going to make the same abundance every year
>Give it away
That depletes the soil, it has to be composted and returned to the ground where it came from.

>>510291865
This and also very few things grow here.
If I so did, they'd be up in my ass with bureaucracy if it seemed like I could sustain myself from it.

Disguised blackpill thread

>>510308616
You're the one distributing blackpills.
Lots of berries grow in Norway.

ITT: trannies grow plants. ywnbaw.

>>510310689
Go tear up some grass and replace it with clovers.

>>510300733
I've got a bunch of cactus growing wild on my property, while the fruit isn't the absolute best fruit in the world it is abundant. Plus you can harvest the fresh cactus pads to eat aswell. (Also not the best thing in the world but it's something)

>>510310689
This nigger is gonna starve to death

>>510311052
Sometimes having plants that other people don't know are edible is a good thing.

Did you know that all varieties of hosta are edible when the shoots are first coming out in the spring? You cook 'em like asparagus.

>>510311130
You can lead an ass to knowledge but you can't make him think.

>>510291558 (OP)
I have about a pickleball court's worth of land, I am looking into planting a pawpaw tree, but this food forest idea is intriguing

>>510311536
Generally you need two pawpaw trees. They also grow quite large.

What you do is plant a tree, a vine next to it that will climb the tree and bushes that live in the shade of the tree.

But I do. Mulberry apple pears and peaches in the back. Grapes growing up the male mulberry. Blackberries and raspberries below the trees.

>>510311681
Yeah I read they at least need another tree as a support, do both trees need another as support? And what is the vine for?

>>510311170
Very interesting I'll have to look into that.

>>510311831
The vine is for maximizing the usage of the space. You could be growing kiwis, grapes, maypops or something. Lots of great options in the same hardiness zones as pawpaw.

It's not a question of support so much as one needs the other to pollinate. Also, fair warning that those are pollinated by beetles and flies rather than bees.

>>510311681
Since you’re the only one here. They have an Arctic kiwi that grows like a grape vine.
>if they could but see my cabbages

>>510295375
That cat looks like such a doofus lol

>>510312098
The rabbits always steal my cabbages like a day or two before I'm ready to harvest... :(

>>510312052
>The vine is for maximizing the usage of the space
My nigga.

>>510312210
Usually it’s slugs I fight. We got barn cats so rabbits pretty much fuck off. What else you grow?
My garden is starting to produce now. Getting the first red tomatoes.

Growing and producing your own food is a revolutionary act. They fucking HATE anyone that wants real food.

>>510291558 (OP)
I'm trying but I live in a really shit climate. Its constantly foggy and temperatures never rarely rise above 70 until September. The natives use to call this place the dead lands because it was just miles of sand dunes with a few varieties of bushes. I can never grow anything exciting, not that I even have that much land. Its too hot for good apples(i get like 300 chill hours in a good year). I can grow carrots and lettuce but I think it takes like 50% longer to mature from lack of sunlight. I keep trying to grow brassica but they get obliterated by cabbage worms every time.

I can't even get my myer lemon tree to produce. its been 3 years. This year I've gone all out, loaded it with a shit ton of fertalizer, covered it in mulch and watered it consistently 3 times a week. Nothing.

>>510312403
This year I've got like 4 different tomatoes, some sort of squash (I'm not the one who bought it, so IDK), a whole bunch of herbs (my chive plant is like 4 square feet in surface area and probably a foot and half tall in the middle)... I've got some red currants, some jostaberry, some honeyberries, some saskatoons, arctic kiwi, aronia berries, raspberries, strawberries (which kinda got crowded out... Need to do weeding tomorrow), wintergreen... Trying to diversify as much as I can. I'm probably going to get a plum either this year or next.

>>510312706
You might have to resort to making a greenhouse or maybe some hoop houses.

>>510312773
Fuckin a man keep it up! Read Elliot Coleman’s four season farm and winter harvest handbook. Should be good for northern climates. 5A here. I got… a couple dozen varieties of tomatoes, 2 dozen peppers, squash, cucumbers, cabbages, carrots, potatoes, onions, chives, garlic, broccoli, cauliflower, Tom’s herbs and a bunch of other shit I can’t think of. Chickens, goats, turkeys, ducks, and a lone Guinea fowl.

>>510313183
Yeah, I don't have nearly that much space. Maybe someday.

>>510305178
>The trees will produce more food than you can consume and you have to be out there every day picking up rotting food
Wild chickens (junglefowl) get 70% of their calories from fruit. An orchard + free-range chickens is easy and clean food production

inb4 more bitching and excuses

>>510292855
Those look like old oyster mushrooms. They wouldn't be good, you got to them too late.

>>510313453
>inb4 more bitching and excuses
It's learned helplessness.

>>510312773
I have 36 beds 3ftx10ft with 18inch rows.
A secondary herb garden that is 25ftx40ft. A 8ftx8ft high tunnel greenhouse. 58 five gallon containers or larger. And a 25ftx25ft section dedicated to just tomatoes.
>>510313254
I started with a 10ftx10ft patch I dug by hand in the backyard. I use no machines other than an electric 6inch tiller to break the big chunks up. Go slow and do small beds you can turn over a decent bed in half an hour to an hour.
Stupid captcha.

>>510312706
Grow lights are good for supplementing.

>>510298264
prickly pear is the goat of fruit btw

>>510314975
Animals without hands will suffer through the spikes because they're so delicious.
You don't even need to taste one to know it's good shit based solely on that.
If you like watermelon, you'll love prickly pear.

>>510313453
Maybe for fruit trees, they'll destroy a garden though

gardening can be so rewarding
i like to take a permacultural approach with a focus on native perennial plants
so nice to walk into the back yard and enjoy a a handful of freshly picked berries for breakfast

>>510317394
Oh man, the fucking SMELL is so good.
Sitting on your porch looking at the bees pollinating your flowers while you sip on your coffee... It's blissful.

>>510292598
Then you can make a garden anywhere.
Find an abandoned house or a free trailer or something

>>510317769
>Oops, I accidentally improved your property value

>>510317461
happy growing anon

herbal medicine is also underrated, so many useful plants that work wonders for minor ailments
many of them trivial to grow or forage
one of the common weeds where i live makes for an excellent vulnerary, a poultice of it makes cuts and scrapes heal twice as fast

>>510317970
Yeah, I've got a bunch of medicinal ones. Got some "hen and chicks", for instance. It's a group succulent plants that can be used similarly to aloe for burns/sores/insect bites. You pick off a leaf and squeeze out the contents. Each leaf is way smaller, though, and it can survive Canadian winters.

>>510318133
calendula is always my recommendation for a basic medicinal plant, attractive edible flowers and proven healing properties, just as good or better than aloe for burns and such in my experience

>>510318344
>Marigolds
Oh yeah, these are cool. The petals are edible and called "poor man's saffron". Some varieties are even perennial.

>>510291558 (OP)
A garden is a hobby. if that's what you're into, great; have fun. It's not economical to grow your own food, though. Factory farms can grow food dirt cheap.

>>510319430
They can grow, package and distribute SOME foods.
A lot of them can't survive that.
Bilberries have to be processed entirely while frozen otherwise they just fall apart while getting machine washed.
Not a problem if you're doing it at home by hand for your own personal consumption.

my 15-20 cm tall chilis stopped growing when I put them outside 3 weeks ago. No growth at all. It's sunny n nice and I water them. wtf. a few years ago I grew a huge bush

>>510295043
No we cant you obese clown fucking retard. One pound of steak costs $50 here. Kys

>>510319664
did you harden them off?
if you don't slowly acclimate indoor plants to outdoor sunlight, wind, and temperature fluctuations it can stress or shock the plant
they'll probably be fine, might just need more time

>>510317461
>Sitting on your porch looking at the bees pollinating your flowers while you sip on your coffee... It's blissful.
This is nice. I sometimes have 2-3 bumblebees working my flowers at the same time in my little garden 4 stories up (hardy kiwis, broccoli, various kales, blueberries, wild strawberries, etc etc). They've definitely marked me on their map

>>510319881
Bumblebees are too cute. Love those chonky little fellas.
Did you know that they vibrate at the specific frequency necessary to dislodge pollen from the flowers? That's what makes them so efficient.

>>510319839
Yeah I put them outside during the day and had them inside during night..for like 2 days. Maybe it wasn't enough. But completely frozen growth for 3 weeks in a perfect setting is very strange

I'm renting and I have a food forest going. Chickens too

>>510320024
it might just be a bit too chilly overnight, i'm assuming they're in containers
peppers really prefer to be warm, especially the root ball
i don't usually put mine out until overnight temps are above 55f, quite a bit later than most other plants

>>510301541
I take milk thistle before eating wild mushrooms. Then for 3 days following.

>>510296315
Paw paws are having a hipster Renaissance. I planted some twenty years ago and have continued to plant them. I've bought and planted ramps, wild plums, fostered wild blackberries and black raspberries, native persimmons, and volunteer crabapples. I have hickories and black walnuts out the wazoo.

I've planted three cherry trees, two apples, four pears, and an apricot. I have blueberries and serviceberries too.

I like the wild stuff because I don't have to tend it much. I basically keep other stuff from competing with it and clear space around them. I'm going to graft my favorite persimmons to make more. I'm more nurturing than farming. I've got several acres of decent land so I have plenty of space. I can certainly eat all the squirrels and rabbits I have, too.

>>510305178
I pick what I want and let the deer eat the rest. The deer and squirrels are basically my long term calorie storage. They get fat in summer and fall and then I can wear them in the fall and winter, along with the enormous number of geese.

>>510306766
Appalachian fren here. 40 inches of rain is nice, but it can vary frustratingly. I use rain barrels but sometimes even then I run dry.

>>510293483
Mine is supposed to grow 8ft. It’s a Japanese persimmons semi dwarf. The nip ones are supposed to be sweeter

>>510310935
Great suggestion.

>>510321784
I'll see what grows in my area

>>510311170
Not all ferns are edible young, but ostrich ferns are. The deer avoid them, they grow in the shade, and once established you can help them to spread. These were an addition for me in some of my shady, moist areas over the last few years. I bought some and now I can spread them with rhizomes.

>>510314975
Reminds me I also have some native cactus that fruit and beach plums.

>>510321913
Fiddleheads are fucking amazing, but you have to make sure you boil them, drain the liquid and then boil again with fresh water a few times to make them totally safe to eat.

>>510291865
If you rent, you can get a storage tub, fill it with potting soil and grow vegetables. That's how I grow tomatoes. I drill holes in the edges so they drain. A few rocks in the bottom or some chunky gravel with landscape fabric over it might be a good idea, too. Drill the hole under the fabric so it drains. The soil will retain plenty of water and you don't want the plants to drown. I forgot about this in the spring and my tubs were overflowing after a big storm and I had to retrofit them.

The tub system (year 1 of this for me) is working well.

You can also rent garden plots in many places.

>>510321966
Thanks. I will try this and do some more reading before eating them in the spring. I know only certain varieties are ok.

>>510291558 (OP)
it's too goddamned hot and dry here to do anything. all my shit gets taken over by bindweed which can't be killed except by herbicides, then i spray herbicides and everything dies.

>>510291558 (OP)
I can't get anything to grow.
Everything I plan doesn't grow.

>>510322602
You sound like a faggot and a loser. Why would you even live in such a retarded place? Are you a slave to your “job?”

For example my fig tree died after planting it. Same with my orange tree. Tomatoes died. i think i live on cursed earth

>>510291558 (OP)
Food doesn’t just grow on trees retard

>>510324061
my family lives here and i grew up here. i want to move but i have a house and it's a hassle to sell and move to a different state. i'd have to rent for awhile to get a feel for the area so i don't buy a retard house

>>510324236
Low agency brownoid lol.

>>He owns land but isn't growing a food forest
yes because said land is hazardous special waste. have you not looked up in the last 40 years?
>whats a chemtrail
b4 growing anything you better send the first 25inch of topsoil to a lab, just to find out that you have massive heavy metals, aluminum and other shit accumulated. aka should be disposing tonnes of soil to a special waste disposal, really.
>whats that you dont have the $$$ to do all that?
well, enjoy mid to long term food poisoning then

>>510313453
where can i find more info, where did you learn this

>>510291558 (OP)
why would i plant fruit trees for a bunch of brown people who will be living there in 40 years or just to have them simply torn out by moshe's goyslop chain?

jews dont want you to know this, but those fruit orchards you see on the side of the road that package their fruit in argentina and then send it to anywhere except the grocery store across the street, their fruit is free.