Thread 510778905

The Russian Armed Forces have destroyed almost all the Abrams tanks transferred to Ukraine by the Americans

Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain.

>>510778905 (OP)
And ?

>>510779012
almost as bad as your tanks in Gaza, huh kike bro.

They just flick them into the grinder and don't care.

they may as well just use tanks as self-propelled artillery. they literally do nothing but die on the offensive.

Wow that tank looks like crap

>>510779012
it`s a good tank, maybe the best in the world, albeit not the latest version. some say tanks are obsolete and yet they still want more tanks and both sides still use them. what is the future of tanks? the paradigm of tank on tank battles and designing around that seems folly now. should the focus be on just self propelled artillery? russian style turtle tanks? anti-drone defenses? lightweight active armor systems?

>>510778905 (OP)
>Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain.
Tanks are obsolete in the 21st century. Those remaining 4 might as well be put into a museum. Otherwise they'll just be destroyed too, and for what gain?

>>510779249
Most likely autonomous tanks

>>510779249
Armored drone carriers
Screencap this post

Here’s Poo OP’ing fresh from his Poo-ropoganda.
You shoukd take a look at how cringe and strong poo brainwashing is. They have the smallest brains of any humans and they are as we all know very smelly cretins but at least we know their brains have had a wash.

>>510778905 (OP)
Good I hope russia wins

>>510779012
>and?
And this is what winning looks like.

>>510778905 (OP)
why does it have ERA and a cope cage? i thought american hardware was produced perfect with no need for modifications

>>510779249
drones have reshaped warfare and caused insane asymmetry for destroying high value targets. radar systems, missile systems, tanks, apcs, some shmuck on foot. it doesnt matter they all get buttraped by drones. a drone that costs 10s of thousands of dollars cane take out multi million dollar platforms and theres no real reliable counter to them yet. its going to get much worse as drone swarms get more advanced, even if you stop 90% of them the 10% that go through still take out a defense system that cost way more than all the drones combined did.

Show the webm of the one being blown up but it's blast doors were already open when it got droned.

>>510778905 (OP)

Sure thing, cupcake. Meanwhile the actual videos i see are cabbage niggers killing themselves. Keep up the good work, yuri. You must live bring in the army of literal anal sodomites.

Didn’t the tanks last like 2 years. That is a pretty good life span for them in such an intense war. Russia must be really struggling if it took them 2 years to take out 27 tanks

>>510778905 (OP)
so even if its not good old russian muliplying numbers the 30 tanks lasted for 22 months
so we need just ~100 to keep you busy another 6 years
usa has like 8000 and better equiped ones too

chatgpt

Are tanks obsolete? Not yet — but they're evolving.

Tanks in Ukraine have high losses on both sides, but they’re still widely used and procured. Why? Because they still offer a unique combination of firepower, protection, and mobility that no other platform fully replaces. Tanks are essential for breaking defenses, supporting infantry, and holding ground in open terrain.

However, modern battlefields — especially in Ukraine — are brutal for tanks. Drones, top-attack missiles (like Javelins), mines, and precision artillery make survival difficult. Neither side has full air superiority, so tanks are constantly exposed to threats from above. Poor use without proper combined arms support (infantry, drones, artillery, etc.) leads to heavy losses.

Tanks aren’t obsolete, but they are vulnerable and must be used differently. Modern armies are adapting with:

Active Protection Systems (APS) to intercept incoming threats

Better coordination with infantry and drones

Evolving tactics to avoid detection and ambushes

New tech like robotic vehicles and AI-assisted targeting

Bottom line: tanks remain relevant, but they can't dominate like they once did. Survivability now depends more on integration, tactics, and tech than just armor alone.

>>510779267
>obsolete

the day you can carry a 125mm gun and 24 rounds for it 60kph off road all by yourself the tank will be obsolete. their effectiveness has been reduced but they're still essential

>>510778905 (OP)
It doesn't help that ukranians are retarded and use them exactly the same way the russians have used their piles of t-72s lol
is that whole region full of retards?

>>510778905 (OP)
31 main battle tanks with outdated packages on the bleeding edge with a near peer force who is superior in numbers.... Yeah they are going to get destroyed it's literally what happened to the German big tanks in WW2. Still the best tank on the battlefield. Sorry but properly deployed with combined arms this tank is basically unkillable. That basically is pulling a lot of weight but remember if it destroyed it will disproportionately drain enemy assets.

I am not slobbing zog nob, just being real.

>>510778905 (OP)
Not knowing how to use something isn't really indicative of the quality of the thing.

>>510778905 (OP)
This means ukranny is winning!

>>510779643
why did you need a bot to tell you this, couldn't you come up with a similar summary on your own? Fucking husk of a person

>>510779826
how you gonna do combined arms in a contested airspace? all american operational planning is based on the assumption of total air supremacy

>>510779643

Are mobile suits obsolete? Not yet — but they’re evolving fast.

Despite massive losses on both sides during the One Year War, both the Earth Federation and Zeon continue to field and develop mobile suits. Why? Because MS units still offer unmatched maneuverability, firepower, and adaptability in space and terrestrial combat. They’re essential for urban warfare, ship boarding, and operating in varied environments — from space colonies to lunar surfaces.

However, the battlefield has changed. Beam weapons, remote-controlled funnels, and anti-MS artillery have made survival rates low for standard suits. Newtypes and ace pilots dominate, but most suits are still piloted by grunts with limited survival time. Mass production suits like GMs and Zakus are vulnerable when deployed without proper squad tactics or support from ships and recon drones.

Mobile suits aren’t obsolete — but lone-wolf tactics are. Survivability now relies on:

Psycommu systems and Newtype coordination

Armor and speed upgrades like Gundarium alloy and Minovsky flight systems

Team-based formations and better ECM support

Specialized MS variants for roles like sniping, heavy assault, and recon

>>510779940
i could and already did and posted that before posting the ai summary, which i also did, and didnt bother rewording because why would i

>>510779392
India number one bloody basterd bitch

Quality active protection systems have not been developed for the Abrams for some reason

Also tanks are not meant to be deployed for essentially ww1 warfare like this war fought over a tiny geographic area with minimal troop movement

They are meant to be traveling at high speeds in armor columns not parked in an open field and used as glorified pill boxes

This is why despite literally being Ukrainian I’m against giving money to the Ukrainians. They seem to demand tons of advanced weaponry and then just fuck around with it.

>>510779649
>implying you need to carry a 125mm gun around
Sure its nice, but Russians are making advances using golf carts and motorcycle which have no gun whatsoever. If they get hit they're toast, but the same is also true if they're in a tank or an APC. At least the golf carts and motorcycle move fast, which makes them less likely to be hit in the first place. Until some sort of anti-Drone armor technology is developed, the only defense against them is to move as fast as possible and jusy pray they don't hit you. If they do, you're a goner, no matter what you're in.

>>510779826
>Still the best tank on the battlefield.
That's like saying you have the best typewriter in the office. kek

I parked a carrier at a port in Yemen and didn’t use the CIWS and it got sunk. Carriers must be obsolete.

Too bad /k/ikes

>>510778905 (OP)
It's taken Russia over a year to destroy 31 tanks. On the German border it was expected that a Russian invasion would destroy hundreds of US tanks per day. US planners expected a tank to last so many hours before it would be vaporized.

>>510780619
Mobile armor is not obsolete the Abrams is just 45 years old

There was about as much time between now and when it was first introduced as the first ironclad and ww1 dreadnoughts

>>510780499
>Quality active protection systems have not been developed for the Abrams for some reason
Cost. It adds like $1.5 million per tank and isn't effective against drones or artillery.
>They are meant to be traveling at high speeds in armor columns
Not possible because of mud and mines.

>>510780537
no kidding. it seems the only real defense against drones at this stage is 'simply be fast and do not get hit'. make no mistake though, the russians and ukrainians both do still use tanks. a 125mm gun will absolutely fuck a trench, or building, you just need an operational environment where you can use the tank in relative safety, which means a lot more work has to be done before the tank can work. if you are an infantryman you definitely do not want to see a functional enemy tank in front of you, that's why they're such priority targets for drone squads

>>510780764
this isn't the 80's fat for brains

>>510780764
almost 2 years*
without 2 months

>>510779334
I just find it irritating to see this waste, all that money and technical expertise could have been better spent on creating genetically engineered cat girls.
I am sure all Anons would agree this would be a much better use of tax payer's money. Imagine that. Grown in vats each cat girl could be tailor made to suit the preference of every Anon.
Think of it, everyday being gently asphyxiated to the point of orgasm by your cat girl's tail while she rides your cock, nipping gently at your neck and making soft meowing sounds.
But wait, it gets even better.
You could custom design DICK CAT GIRLS as well as regular feminine ones. So you could have two of them. While you fuck one the other is penetrating your ass with her cat girl dick.

>>510780537
>you're a goner, no matter what you're in.
Bradley's in Ukraine apparently are taking half a dozen to a dozen hits before being disabled. Even the M113 helps. Armor helps against drones but you can't carry much fuel or ammo. Drones aren't as effective if there's not much to cook off.

>>510778905 (OP)
And how many Russian tanks were destroyed?

>>510780850
Mines? I’m talking about a front the size of the ww2 eastern front you can only mine very small areas

Modern active protection systems are terrible all the money seems to have been invested in the Air Force

>>510778905 (OP)
Sad!

>>510779447
This is what winning looks like

My favorite piece of ameri/k/ope regarding drones
https://files.catbox.moe/n26tv3.mp4

This is how tanks are supposed to be used you don’t park them in range of weapons in an open field and wait for the enemy ffs

>>510779464
ukrainians actually know better than the retards in the west

im seeing there are some electronic defenses against drones and i dont mean jammers. i mean frying the drones motors and circuits. its been tested by anduril and also another system built into a vehicle and tested by the navy on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

>>510780973
better still to not put all your eggs in one basket. motorcycle assault squads or similar are the future

>>510781128
>posts a picture of an invasion only possible after months of aerial strikes by over 2000 fighter jets and many hundreds of cruise missiles
What did he mean by this

>>510780996
>Mines? I’m talking about a front the size of the ww2 eastern front you can only mine very small areas
There's millions of mines out there. It's a 1000km front mined in spots 5km to 20km deep. Russian were dumping mines using dump trucks then having their meat waves disperse the mines and arm them. After a few years the mines are mostly buried and impossible to see. There's probably no maps so Russians are likely hitting their own mines. They don't care.

>>510780945
>this isn't the 80's
That's right. Russia is a much weaker country compared to back then.

>>510781128
how many drones and satellites did Iraq have?

>>510781216
>motorcycle assault squads
Defeated by drone with light machine gun and AI or swarm with AI.

>>510781146
correct

>>510781226
Everything you said reinforces my point

Tanks were never meant to be parked in an open field without air superiority and used as glorified static defenses. At any point in history that would have resulted in massive losses.

>>510781318
May I see this LMG drone or AI drone swarms

>>510781318
so why aren't they doing it?

>>510781355
So how do you gain air superiority in Ukraine? Your tactics could win the war you know?

>>510781216
> motorcycle assault squads or similar are the future
Trump - Russia suffered 100k KIA in 6 months. It’s the future of people that can waste generation of men

>>510780619
yes.
as a unit they are far less important at them moment in the current conflict.
in future with better counter measures the tank may yet return as a hard to kill self-propelled gun.

>>510781252
The area fought over here is like 1% of the area fought over in ww2

Also you are forgetting the other key part of my original statement that effective apa systems have never been developed and the Abrams is half a century old

>>510781265
so is the US. what's your point? nobody is using cold war doctrines here because they're irrelevant, so why are you holding them up like they're some sort of gospel?

>>510781418
By having functioning airforce

>>510781498
Cold War doctrines are not relevant because it’s literally ww1 trench warfare

>>510781440
trump says a lot of shit. you really take that child fucker seriously?

>>510779946
The US also only deploys things like Tanks with air superiority. this has been the case for 40 years at least. combined arms doesn't mean everything at once all the time.

>>510778905 (OP)
ERA'd cope caged Abrams is so badass. /k/edditors seethe because they deny reality and they miss out. It's absolutely peak westo-slav fusion.
>>510781440
>2025
>quoting Trump
nigga are you blind, retarded, or living 8 years in the past?

>>510781605
I flew my stealth jet in the same flight pattern day after day in broad daylight with no wild weasel support and it got shot down

Stealth must not work

>>510781544
it's not LITERALLY ww1 trench warfare. it's LITERALLY ww3 trench warfare. but indeed that is my point, fat for brains all thinks massed armoured columns in the current ISR and long range, drone coordinate precision fires are the way to go. he does not understand the difficulties of force accumulation and logistics in such an environment

>>510781569
If Mediazona managed to find 5000 dead last month while Russians do everything in their power to hide dead, yeah, I believe that number is actually three times larger

>>510781526
>By having functioning airforce
This. Russian AA and airforce peaked in the 80s. It would be completely ineffective against a modern airforce. No retard is going to give Ukraine a modern airforce. In a real war Russia would find out how long and exposed it's border is and how fast ships sink.

>>510781696
well, your English is poor so I am not sure what you are trying to say.

>>510781798
Suck my dick vagabond scum

>>510781605
sounds like achieving an operational environment where they can deploy tanks would be a years long air campaign against even a near peer foe

>>510779826
>>510779832
>>510779810
Explain how they were deployed incorrectly. This is just default cope #1, we saw this with Turkshits losing Leopards to sandniggers. No piece of military equipment is invincible, it's a tool, stop putting your pride in a piece of machinery and accept that these things are literally designed to go get destroyed.

Ukraine has no capacity to get air superiority. They were never going to. You are essentially saying the tank cannot operate or function without air superiority, making it functionally useless and retarded. You might as well just say every soldier that died was just "misdeployed" because they should've been sent in to a peaceful field of flowers where no one is shooting back.

>>510781732
mediazona counts 'projected losses'. their methodology hasn't been sound for nearly a year

>>510781970
No they don’t, they found 5000 new names of real Russians, projected is 13000, what’s the point in lying?

>>510781970
Why are Russians literally worse at reading than Americans?

>>510778905 (OP)
Isn’t it great that America is destroying all of its man-operated military equipment right before the authoritarian “AI” takeover?

Sure will be nice not being able to fight back properly.

>>510781922
not really, you simply don't overextend. keep all elements within support range of there other elements.
yes it has its down sides but unless you can steam roll the US than it works, privilege of being the military hegemon

>>510779595
isn't this kinda the key? I havent followed this conflict much outside of the whole Wagner moscow march and the recent Trump funnies and I also know nothing about military hardware. but it seems self deprecating for Ivans to circle-jerk over such a small number over 2 years.

What happens if Trump doesnt save Russia and throws a few hundred abrams at Ukraine? The US has shit tons of newer models like >>510779635 said
Ukraine Tank Losses (visually confirmed):
~1,200 total. Soviet tanks: 366 T‑64, ~358 T‑72s, 75 T‑80s, 5 T‑84s, 11 PT‑91s. Western tanks: 14 Leopard 1A5, 40 Leopard 2s, 9 Strv 122, 4 Challenger 2, 22 M1 Abrams, 6 AMX-10 RC.

Russia Tank Losses (visually confirmed):
~4,070 total. Includes 1,193 T‑80s, 248 T‑62s, 187 T‑90s, plus hundreds of older T‑72 variants. Losses include destroyed, damaged, abandoned, and captured—actual totals likely much higher.

>>510778905 (OP)
NOOOOO ABRAPS IS SUPPOSED TO BE INVINCIBLE! RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!

>>510782396
And how would you do this on a >1000km length front?

And still can't take Kyiv and are still losing

Z.

>>510782643
>real life wars are starcraft where you have to destroy the enemy base

>>510778905 (OP)
The fact they havent even destroyed 31 Abrams yet is just utterly embarassing

>>510782466
> 5 T‑84s
Zero lost T-84

>>510782846
after the lost the first 27 they aren't allowed to use them any more. hurts american MIC share price too much

>>510778905 (OP)
Russia is really winning!! Just 2 more weeks till kiev! Kek.

Russia is a fucking laughing stock, depleted their army and now everyone knows they are just a paper tiger.

>>510778905 (OP)
you know they'll just send more, right?

>>510783436
when lol?
>we didn't need them anyway!

>>510778905 (OP)
O.K. Gen. Lt. Dumbass, where do you get your intel from?

I get it though, it's fun to make shit up on the internet. It's like we've lost our way as adults and consider this type of thing, "playful." Sad if you really think about it.

>>510783477
when the POTUS (pedophile of the united states) decides to do so on a whim

>>510783416
Why do you sound like a bot?

>>510783689
So they're not getting any.

>>510783693
Only a bot would post something like this, it would accuse others of being a bot.

>>510782846
>The fact they havent even destroyed 31 Abrams yet is just utterly embarassing
What was the point of sending those Abrams if it was such a foregone conclusion that they'd all be destroyed that its embarrassing that 4 of them manage to still survive? Its like all of them being destroyed is to be expected, but if that's the case why were they ever sent at all? It makes no sense.

Okay, 4 have managed to not be destroyed (probably because they've not been deployed to the front or something), but its not like Ukraine having them or those ones which they formerly did has managed to change the tide of the war in Ukraine's favor.

>>510783416
>Russia is a fucking laughing stock, depleted their army and now everyone knows they are just a paper tiger.
2 more weeks? Been hearing this shit since 2022, yet the war continues and Russia advances daily.

>>510778905 (OP)
I'm actually curious, has anybody been tracking the supply of modernised T-90s?
I feel like those fuckers are practically extinct at this point.

>>510778905 (OP)
Australia just sent a shitload of them too. Old mothballed ones, so not sure how usable they're going to be.

>>510783416
Russia is outproducing and outrecruiting attrition without dragging kids out of their houses or old men off the street.

>>510778905 (OP)
Wow and it only took russia 2 years to destroy 27 tanks. World's 2nd strongest army indeed.
@Grok How many Russian built Iraqi tanks did the U.S. destroy in operation Desert Storm per week average please.

>>510785795
Aren't they restarting production of the T series tanks (80&90)? This would mean they're still a way of ramping it up. Tanks have been of limited value in this war anyway and that goes for both sides.

>>510778905 (OP)
We are sending 49 more dont worry
troubling that it took 3 years for Russia to take out almost 30 tanks

>>510778905 (OP)
>cope cages
I thought those were only on Russian tanks. They're also getting good practice at US tanks.

>>510788228
why? don't we need them? they're only going to get destroyed

>>510778905 (OP)
>Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain.
Yeah , at the rate of 43 destroyed Russian ranks for one abrams.
An Abrams divsion alone is capable of eradicating the entire Russian forces.
American steel is no match for thrntinfoils one time use, disposable weak Russian tanks.
Watch now what the tomahawks will do to Moscow.
Soon Moscow in ruins.

>>510785377
Do you think it's time to update this meme? I mean, surely you can tell us how much Russia has advanced, maybe even gives some nice percentage?

>>510788566
>2 MORE WEEKS
this is what they said about leo2, abraps, brapley, atACKms, stormshart

>>510788476
To support Ukraine and reequip their units
The more destroyed Rusnigger equipment now the less they can give to China or North Korea when WW3 kicks in.
Its a long term investment in our defence and freedom around the world.

>>510788654
All worked, and now they Ukraine is out of the bare scraps NATO threw at them Russia is making minuscule progress again, if we requip their divisions it will go from 70 years to take all of ukraine to 500 again.

>>510788621
>all progress in an attritional conflict is linear
>real life wars are like starcraft where you have to destroy the enemy base to win

kill yourself. you're half slav you self hating faggot

>>510785795
Yes and no. Russia puts out an order number but we have no real way to verify it. There's footage of the assembly lines and new tanks being delivered so they're definitely being produced, but there's no good figures.
>>510787400
Just 49, and only half of the order arrived recently.

>>510788566
Yet Russian tanks keep appearing. Did Abrahm's even destroy anything?

>>510788621
?

>>510788694
and how is sending billions worth of tanks that we can't build to burn in ukrainian fields a good investment if we're expecting to fight China within the decade? do you need to wear a helmet to complete daily tasks?

>>510778905 (OP)
>27 vs 5,000 means we're winning
Oh, vanya. Bless your heart.

>>510788837
You get to buy the newest M1A2 package goy. Be glad American companies are profiting.

>>510778905 (OP)
30 tanks is fuck all considering USA has thousands of them, then not to mention all the cuck shit with allowing russia to bomb Ukraine and not allowing Ukraine to bomb back for the first 3 years, but all in all considering how many thousands of russian tanks and IFVs Ukraine has destroyed it is pretty good ratio

>>510788741
all worked at doing what? i mean sure you can throw steel and cash at a problem but unless you have a reserve of competent motivated manpower to operate these complex systems, and a functioning logistical train to keep them operating, it's just sending good money after bad. of course you know this, and are simply saying this in bad faith. at least I hope you are, because the alternative is that you're actually this stupid

>>510788780
>Did Abrahm's even destroy anything?
Hundreds of Russian thinfoil one time use disposable tanks.
Hundrets at the rate of average of 43 destroyed Russian tanks for one lost Abrams.

>>510788756
But it's about land taken, yes? :)

>>510788837
Because it is not worth billions, they are worth 245 million and we would have scrapped them anyway, giving it to ukraine is functionally cheaper than the cost it takes to scrap the things and lets it weaken our enemies
And 49 ancient Abrams would be useless against china who have a far more modernised airforce and army and the nature of ww3 in the pacific is not well suited to Abrams tanks
Agist Russia who's only advantage is their fuckhuge stockpile of soviet shitboxes the tanks we send get far, far more value than we ever could get out of them and saves us money

>>510788860
I love this. when are they arriving? Will it be like those nuclear subs?

>>510788921
>USA has thousands of them
They arebveing deployed as we speak and getting ready to take over Koenigsberg.

Koenigsbwrg will be German again.

>>510788929
all worked at inflicting severe casualties in the Russian army, which was glacial between 2022 and mid 2024, all the weapons work and now that they are running on empty Russia is advancing again.
We send them more shit and they can keep grinding down the soviet stockpile which only has a year or two left in it as satalite pictures show their storage bases are empyting

>>510788944
it is much easier to take the land when you kill the defending force. ukranny is runing out of trench meat

>>510789005
We are getting 75 by the end of 2025
personally i think we need 200 with active drone protection minimum instead of nuclear subs arriving in 2 decades

>>510789081
Rusniggers have failed to make ukraine run out of meat for 3.5 years now, it will never happen as Russians die at far larger rates than Ukrainians in every point of this war except the failed counteroffensyiv.

>>510788921
It is pretty fucking funny since USA has at least 5,500 Abrams, they didnt give out even a % of them. People really dont understand the scale of American army.

>>510780764
>>510779635
>>510779595
>>510788930
>>510788921
what the fuck is this cope? did they produce this one in a lab it's so fucking stupid I refuse to believe anyone came up with this on their own and posted it of their own volition. the Abrams has done fuck all and barely contributed to the frontline's progression. Ukraine doesn't deploy them in every assault, of course it took long for them to get depleted. Or are you dumbasses gonna call Challenger II the best tank because they only lost 2 of those. Better yet, Leclerc is best MBT because none of those are even in the war and outlasted all competitor MBTs.

>>510788955
all the abraps did was eat drones and burn uselessly. there's not even footage of any of them engaging in tank on tank battles. furthermore why are you defending the nigger tranny faggot empire? unless you're a nigger tranny or faggot yourself

>>510778905 (OP)
>after three years, million casualties, and losing their whole tank fleet, Russia has ALMOST managed to destroy thirty abrams
Yeah

>>510779464
>why does it have ERA and a cope cage? i thought american hardware was produced perfect with no need for modifications
The ERA and cage didn't exactly help it.

Tanks are just not an offensive tool anymore.

>>510789196
And theres the mental breakdown of the typical rusnigger. Cannot keep themselves from losing their minds for more that 5 posts

>>510789159
you understand that it takes time to exhaust the fighting population of a country of 30 million or so right? they don't all just line up or jump into a big pile so you can take them out with ease

>>510778905 (OP)
>out of 31 remain
pretty sure they sent 37

>>510778905 (OP)
Lol russian propaganda already "destroyed" more ukrainian vehicles than russia itself ever had two years ago.

>>510789116
they're never coming. besides you said tanks are useless against china anyway, so why are we bothering? do you think before you type or do you just gargle jewish cum?

>>510789177
The US only has ~2k active Abrams. The rest are in storage with very degrees of readiness. But you're right, the US has a fuck ton of tanks ready to go. The US has good climate for storage too, so they can be ready quite fast. The biggest limitation is engines and crew and possibly ammo if a conflict drags on for too long.

>>510789196
>there's not even footage of any of them engaging in tank on tank battles.
Yeah because no one does tank battles anymore, countermeasures are too portable and too effective. Just look at Russian tanks losses.

>>510789312
Must have been told to put the crack pipe down cause I'm pretty sure articles were saying Ukraine destroyed over 10k tanks for a while....then it lowered.

>>510789272
Time is not on Russia's side, their economy is heading towards the shitty with no bailout, soverign wealth fund will run out early 2026 and with it inflation will skyrocket or they will cut civilian spending and increase domestic unrest or they will cut military spending
meanwhile NATO is re-arming and Trump is turing against Russia again.
And every day more of the soviet stockpile that is 95% of why Russia is still taking a tiny bit of land is gone.

>>510789271
I am more Australian than you. meet me at maccas carpark in Wollongong cunt, I'll smash every bone in your soft body you poof cunt

>>510789361
>The US only has ~2k active Abrams
I mean 2k active with no active warzones they're deployed to is still a bit of a waste of cash.

>>510789344
We're handing them over to ukraine now so we've gotten them
and yes tanks are useless against china but when i become Prime Minister and kick the seppos out they are a deterent while we build nukes

>>510788694
China build all their own shit. As soon as this war is done Russia will sell everything to NK and Iran.

>>510789453
Got to bump up aid to best ally. $3.6 billion went to $20 billion for the kikes senseless war they started.

>>510789418
>2 MORE WEEKS
come on cunt, you poofs have been saying this for nearly 4 years

>>510779447
it's what cope looks like, which is even funnier lmao

>>510789429
Im not driving an hour south to fight a FOB cunt
your not hard mate, your just a dumbcunt
meet me at stackers and you can buy me a hot fudge sundae as an apology for your wrong opinion

>>510789453
It is. But it isn't at the same time. The US M60 fleet ended up being a useless waste of money, but the M1 fleet could still see a conflict and every military has to have tanks, even if they're becoming increasingly limited in use. Doesn't hurt to have the most of them (provided you have a world monetary system working in your favor and can afford it; the US is quite good at balancing the defense budget).

>>510789520
we're handing over the old mothballed ones per your own statement you dumbcunt. those new ones may never arrive, just like those subs

>>510789564
Yeah, and its correct, Russia could never sustain the war, are you silly? war has always been fucking expensive. Look it up mate even Russian ministers are saying to expect a recession

>>510780958
bro got carried away

>>510789532
>Got to bump up aid to best ally.
...Then you'd run less Abrams and send more cash?

The last acquisition of an actual Abrams (not upgrading an existing one) was 1992.

>>510778905 (OP)
Australia is sending 49. By the time the war’s over, Kubinka will have more Abramses than the USMC.

>>510789587
my not hard what? you ESL dumbcunt. your soft pajeet body would not survive the battering i would give you. figures you live in a poof city like sydney

>>510789621
We are handing over the old ones we used as our fleet until 2024, if we are handing them over now we have the 75 new tanks otherwise we would have 0 tanks in the whole country which no nation is dumb enough to do.

>>510778905 (OP)
> 1 post by this ID thread
> nearly filling the board
not even trying to save this board anymore, are you, rapeape? what a useless fucking nigger. lmao.

>>510789613
I mean it's only wasteful insomuch as you don't 'need' them, but you don't want to end up in a situation with most warehoused and not enough competent tankers.

>>510789700
Your the cunt siding with the people Poojeet support
You cannot say im not white while cheering for the nonwhite team.
And cunt you live an hour drive fron sydney, your not a fucking bushlegend, your a east coaster just like me your not tougher cos you live in a boring little seaside town you sad insecure cunt.

>>510778905 (OP)
Unlike the American goyim, the American Jews aren't stupid. They send Ukraine old staff to show that it is outdated and Russia is dangerous and it is a perfect time for the wealthy EU countries to buy the newer American tech.

>>510789721
you severely underestimate how faggoted and retarded our leadership is. which makes sense since your are yourself extremely faggoted and retarded

>>510789721
>otherwise we would have 0 tanks in the whole country which no nation is dumb enough to do.
Why? They're effectively useless in war now. Sure they're useful for peacekeeping, but fuck that.

>>510778905 (OP)
That's why they were send there. So what's this cope thread about?

>>510789823
Yeah cunt im sure we gave every single tank we have and our armoured division is just jerking off on war thunder while they wait.
You can argue with me and not act like a complete retard in every category.

>>510789855
So we can help America invade Iran for israel duh

>>510789810
my the cunt what you ESL softbody poofta. our own government is importing pajeets like it's their fukken job to displace whites like me. you can't say you're white while cheering for the team that imports niggers and jeets by the fukken plane load you dumb cunt

Russia has lost thousands of T-72s and every single T14 Armata ever built. The Abrams is obviously superior.

>>510780958
>You could custom design DICK CAT GIRLS as well as regular feminine ones
>While you fuck one the other is penetrating your ass with her cat girl dick
Like clockwork with you shills.

>>510780991
Obviously zero, Russia stronk!

>>510789912
>So we can help America invade Iran
Where they will be useless.

>>510789939
I can because why the fuck would I side with the brown 3rd world to somehow beat them? you got some 1984 logic my friend
Our ZOG government can be overthrow and hung from the neck until dead, but we need to actually physically kill the chinksects, mudslimes and poojeet when they invade our country militarily to erase the white race.
Supporting ukraine weakens the enemies of the white race internationally while we can deal with out own traitors domestically
Israel is on a timer anyway, the zoomerwaffen will comit a 2nd holocaust judging from the hatred of it across the isle

>>510787441
Suuuure.

>>510790055
No we can hapily absorb the drones meant to kill israeli soldiers with our own bodies and expensive tanks, the most useful thing in the world.

>>510789671
Which is what we did cause it's cheaper and we profit giving used trash to 2nd kike so it can be used by first kike to start wars weekly as kikes kike each other. Art of the kike.

NAFO copium is hilarious in this thread
pure comedy

>>510779419
>>510779465
>>510779513

KEK

>>510779465
>>510779419

same tank, different angle
post more of same tank from 100 different angles!

>>510779807
LMAO
we should believe it is abrams????

>>510790089
Did he crawl home to have vacation?

>>510778905 (OP)
why does it have a cope cage on?

>>510790062
you have to be 18 to post on this website little guy. if you support the government and international anti-white order then you're their loyal little fuck footsoldier. the only way to get rid of the faggoted government is to undermine their legitimacy by whatever means RIGHT NOW! if you in any way support them you support their policies and their outcomes

>>510790197
>NAFO copium is hilarious in this thread
>pure comedy

>>510790336
Yeah nigger lets hope Ukraine loses to somehow stop our ZOG, whats your logical? if they win then Russia explodes and china loses a huge stockpile of weaponry for ww3, if they lose then Russia will colonise the area with chechens and siberian asiatics and erase the whiteness from the area
I will never understand supporting Russia from a white person, they are the allies of the non-white world who love seeing white ukranians die.

>>510789564
>2 MORE WEEKS
Of the 3 day smo?
Lol

>>510790299
You joke but...

>>510790477
they won't win. it's a foregone conclusion. outside of the direct intervention of the almighty God or the strategic nuclear arsenal of the united states the battlefield momentum is irreversible. secondly if russians aren't white then neither are ukrainians. why did we have to have a hostile relationship with a white country in the first place? finally
>what is your logical saar?
kill yourself you soft poof cunt

>>510790608
Here's your "white" country saar!

>>510779464
You're only getting reddit-tier meme answers. Typical for 4skin nowadays.

The real reason is doctrine. Western tanks don't have ERA because infantry can advance alongside them. ERA exploding is dangerous to everyone around the tank.

In the West tanks aren't used with just one or two of them driving near the Frontline and blindly (and very often through indirect fire like artillery) firing somewhere. Several troop Transporters and IFV like Bradley accompany them. These soldiers need to be protected

>>510790204
>look at your Russia 3 drones to take out mighty abrahms
>strap chains and farm steel plates to tank
>cover in bush
>Ukraine now has 60 videos at different angles trying to stop it
>mine ended up taking a track out crew left
20 Abrahm's right there.

>>510790608
They will win, its a foregone conclusion, the Russian economy is reaching its breaking point, dont take my word for it research it for yourself if your brave enough to face the truth, sovereign wealth fund depleting, unemployment extremely low so no spare men for the army or for the factories
Russians are white, but they have millions of muslims and siberian asians
when they russify the regions, they offer generous loans for citizens to move in to make up for it being a warzone
the only people desperate enough to take that offer are by and large the poorest in the country, which are said muslims and siberian asiatics.
And so therefor this is why Mariupol look central asian now.
You are simple man, smart enough to know ZOG but to dumb to actually fight both the disease and the cause of the disease. not that you'll fight anyone except apparently a cunt who also hates ZOG, in a maccas parking lot instead of driving to canberra and doing anything.

>>510780991
More than 4 thousands

>>510790670
looks like western sydney you dumb fuck cunt

>>510790785
>economy at breaking point
>unemployment extremely low
pick one

Truly why should anyone have a hostile relationship for peaceful innocent Russia, after all they're fighting, killing, and dying for the freedom of Africans!
Kek

>>510790796
Muslims are 15-20% of Moscow you coping retard
If you want to support the white race Russia is the dumbest thing you can do

>>510790785
big talk from a soft poofcunt goodgoy. if you really believe you're right then come settle it with violence

>>510790796
May we see it?

>>510790816
Both, you stupid cunt, do you know fucking anything? Low unemployment is fucking bad if your at war because you need spare men to work the factories when you expand them, to keep domestic services running and to recruit into the army. Without any spares you can't expand and then start to get a deeper and deeper deficit of manpower from all the deaths and cripplings.

>>510790744
> taking a track out crew left
I like how crew surviving is such rare happening for Russians it had to be mentioned when not a single leopard 2 crew member died in a tank

>>510790894
Stop trying to chimp out you nigger, you lost.
people trying to act tough on the internet are the saddest cunts ever, what a clown.

>>510790816
Yes anon, when you’re at war having lack of free men is bad thing

>>510790848
they can do what they want in their country i don't give a fuck. if you support the organisations that degrade and destroy our own country then you're a niggerbrained goycattle slave you fucking useful idiot. the biggest threat to white men like me is my own government and the broader international order it's a part of, which of course is why a soft ESL pajeet tranny like yourself would support it

>>510791005
you have not the convictions of your beliefs. i would pop your bobbling pajeet head off your pencil neck if i ever saw you cunt

>>510790961
>thinks a pg-7 drone will pierce a tank and kill the crew
Most survive bud.

>>510791030
Sorry cunt but your to stupid to know why small unemployment is bad during wartime, your judgement on whats best for the white race internationally is not trustworthy thanks to your nigger like intelligence. Likely why you support Russia too.

>>510778905 (OP)
>Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain.
And russia has lost 11 000 armored vehicles. Is this what winning looks like?

>>510778905 (OP)
Well of course, how else is General Dynamics going to sell more tanks if the old ones keep working?

>>510791279
Keep screaming faggot, we both know that if I bothered to drive there you wouldn't show up. Just like you didn't respond when I told you to drive up to stackers to fight me there.
What fucking year is it? how long have you had the internet for? who the fuck acts like this much of a bitch on here?
>oi fight me cuuunnttt esssahhhyyyyyy
You arn't shit, you live in a seaside town on the east coast an hours drive from sydney. what a poofter

>>510790785
just because you say it doesn't mean it's true
>russia out of missiles
>russia out of tanks
>russia no drones
>russia out of men
>russia out of money
>ukranny storming moscow in 2 weeks just trust me bro

east shit and die you niggerbrained tranny

>>510778905 (OP)
>mobility kill
>crew survived
Good tank. I'm surprised that there are any still left at all. How long have they kept trucking? 2 years now? How many russoid tanks have gone off like bottle rockets in that same time span, on both sides? Thousands?

>>510790816
>"Low unemployment"
>Need to import a million jeets(in addition to all the Africans they were already importing) to fill empty(definitely not from all the casualties!) factories
Hmmm.

>>510791430
Give them a rifle and send to front then. They have no tanks to replace the one they lost.

>>510791399
>just because you say it doesn't mean it's true
Fuck me your an actual child
>tries to act tough on the internet
>won't accept losing the arguement so carries on after getting btfo
>can't actually go into any depth on his responses and just namecalls
Your either a child or have child-like intelligence.
But yes Russia is running out of all of those
They send missiles maybe once a month, its all drones now
Their tank stockpiles in siberia are empyting visually, look it up yourself you might be a grown ass man the jury is out on that still
Drones rely on china, meaning they cost more than what ukraine gets for free and is limited by china's industry and own domestic demands
Russia needs to pay out the as to recruit and the amount of men available to join the army is reducing to critical levels with the low unemployment
Russia's sovereign wealth fund will run out in early 2026 so expect mass inflation, cuts to civilians spending and a stagnation of the military budget
did that answer all your questions you stupid dog cunt? what a fucking sissy faggot.

>>510791300
you support an organisation that has actively turned europe into a 3rd world slum and dumping ground. you are in no position to speak on such matters

>>510778905 (OP)
It's done by kamakazi drone which those tanks aren't capable to detect and destroy it. This is modern war for you.

>>510778905 (OP)
Let's see how many T-72s of Russia's forces that have been destroyed.

>>510791530
>tanks are obsolete
>omg theyre running out of tanks
Make a decision.

>>510778905 (OP)
Yet they still can't do anything for 3 years straight

>>510791567
>i say you're losing therefore you're losing
no wonder you support the Nigger And Tranny Organisation. their mental model is just like yours

>>510791579
Rocket artillery too

>>510791644
Explain how i am wrong, balls in your court go point by point and refute it.
You wont, because you have the emotional control of a woman and will just have a tantrum and call me a tranny or whatever you want to cope with.

>>510791399
>We need those tanks to fight China!
>Russia is white, why should we be hostile to a white country?
>Video evidence of brown Russia doesn't mean anything!
>Deliberate mass import of browns doesn't mean anything!
>Two more weeks till Putin saves the white race!

>>510791397
stackers is a fucking jewellery store you poof cunt. drop a pin and I'll flatten you

>>510791644
>I say Russia winning is inevitable so it is
>Also I say it's white so it is
>If you don't agree something something nigger trannies!

>>510791839
Stanmore maccas mate

>>510791755
you're wrong pajeet, get over it. our leadership whose cum you can't stop slurping, has fucked our demography and industry beyond repair. if war broke out tomorrow we would be practically defenceless, no subs, no tanks, practically no ability to produce anything of military value, and a large chunk of our under 30's are NOT FROM HERE and in fact hate white men like me and WOULD NOT FIGHT! not that our faggoted government whose cock you cannot remove from your throat would ask them to. the longer the political leadership of MY COUNTRY is allowed to perpetuate this, the worse it gets. force a legitimacy crisis early and there's some hope

>>510791940
I'll be there Wednesday with a wagner shirt on dumbcunt. you fucking inner city poofta softcunt

>it takes r*ssia 3 years to destroy 27 modern western tanks

Not the flex you think it is, zigger.

>>510792107
no you wont, is this your first day on the internet? we both know you wont do shit
>>510792035
TLDR you type like a woman and made me get bored

>>510778905 (OP)
>Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain.
post destruction evidence of all 27 tanks then

>>510792155
I'll be posting a thread with a nice choccy sundae and a geolocatable photo to boot. you won't be there. you're afraid. you're my enemy and I wish to harm you

>>510791433
>low unemployment means that basically everyone is already working
>LOOK THERE ARE A TON OF UNFILLED POSITIONS
yes, this is what happens then unemployment is low: everyone already has a job so new positions are extremely hard to fill fucking LMAO 50IQ specimen right here

>>510792221
I don't care enough but you can Google you tube videos all day. Tell big Z to reign his media in then cause they certainly aren't quiet about it.

>>510792394
>Don't ask what happened to the million+ Russians they need to replace with jeets! They're all fine!

>>510792664
Yep they were fording rivers with inflatable wheelchairs. Some heavy duty ones came equipped with tires weighing up to 260 lbs. Several Ukrainians were found with tread marks on their bodies.

Tanks are not useless. It just that US and British propaganda made them look like they are invincible (muh Challenger surviving 159 RPG) hits so now when reality hits they seem like they are just a money sink. Just look at the tank losses during WW2, tanks have always been an expandable resource to achieve a breakthrough. The tank as a concept is not th problem it is the over engineered, over priced behemoths that are being sent to the battlefield right now that are the problem. They tried to merge a medium, a heavy, a light tank, an assault gun, a tank destroyer all into one and guess what it does not work. The army needs multiple designs, they need a fast, heavily armored tank with a small fire support gun for assaults, they need turret less tank destroyers and assault guns to offer support from the back, they need light tanks for scouting. And these need to be all different designs. Not one that can do all and in the it is useless. What need does the infantry have of a tank with a 120 mm gun. They need something that can lead the assault, suppress enemy infantry and be able to take some hits and keep going. A 75 mm gun is more the enough for this.

>>510779643
This response seems like training data from reddit and similar forums. I remember seeing conversations on the topic a couple of years back. I still think it's a bit of a cope. I agree that infantry support vehicles will still be needed, but unlikely to be like tanks currently used by armed forces. Even if your tank has active defenses, new detection tech, etc, you're still talking about a vehicle costing millions of dollars susceptible to $1,000 drones. Sending ten such drones in a coordinated attack against a multi-million dollar tank is still far worth it. Even if you have to use 100 drones to take out a single tank, it's worth it. Tanks need more help than what the AI listed here. Maybe a network of allied drones that can deploy on short notice. Or instead of one single expensive tank they use several smaller, cheaper tanks.

>>510792822
Your tanks are as good as the support it goes on with. Even heavy duty mrrkhava armored tanks get fucked some host fucker with a stick of tnt if they aren't covering it. Think 2 got wiped out a little bit ago and killed a captain by some dude in gym short who ran up with a mine in a bag.

>>510781099
lol

>>510792822
Finally I forgot the designs in the end also need to be cheap enough to be able to produce thousands of them on a yearly base and be robust so they can be brought in repaired fast and sent out again after being damaged. Tanks that completely lose combat effectiveness after one hit because of sensitive electronics and other over engineered systems are useless. From the west the only vehicle that proved worthy was ironically the Bradley which managed to fill the role of a light tank vehicle quite well.

>>510779447
Nigger, it was clear from the get go Abrams are pretty much useless in Ukraine. Due to their weight tanks couldn’t even cross most traffic bridges.

>>510792664
Cyka's Angels

>>510792815
>found with tread marks on their bodies
Now you're just reminding me of all the Russians I've seen squashed in marks lol

>>510792941
yeah, smaller cheaper tanks makes sense, could still provide infantry some support while being easy to mass produce and cheap so they can keep up with losses and lightweight to transport the tanks easier. automated, so there is no crew to protect meaning the lack of armor wont be such a big deal. or semi-automate to just one crew member in an armored capsule deep inside the tank. modular so when the tank is wrecked you can maybe still salvage any expensive parts like the gun or electronics quickly.

also i`m thinking anti-drone drones that fly around the tank at all times. when one drone returns to the tank to recharge another launches itself to take its place.

>>510792966
In the modern battlefield the support element is no longer enough there are simply too many anti-tank weapons of various designs so that the tanks will always be hit and taken out. What you need are tanks where you can afford to lose 10-50 tanks for each assault. If the tank you are using as a major industrial country USA, China, Russia, Germany, France, you can not afford or be able to replace losing 400-1000 a year then they are useless. Then you are going into an attritional war where you have a breaking point after which your offensive capability will be greatly diminished.

man russia sure destroyed a lot of stuff in this 2 day special operation

>>510778905 (OP)
impressive.
and how many tanks did the russians lose?

>>510778905 (OP)
Now imagine 4k of them.

>>510778905 (OP)
Hm. Interesting they have all that ERA on the frontal glacis. Did any get penetrated from the front?

>>510793445
over 4 million total according to official ukrainian numbers though russia claims they only lost 4

>>510778905 (OP)
if destroying 20 something vehicles is a disaster, what do you call losing thousands?

>>510778905 (OP)
Is it that surprising?
Houthis with T-34-85 annihilated hundreds of them in Yemen war.

>>510778905 (OP)
are tanks even relevant in modern warfare? Is there any that can survive a drone attack

First I need you to imagine building a tank without an autoloader in the year 2025, then I need you to imagine being the retard arguing in favor of it.
REMINDER: American culture is so infested with niggery that they will literally argue against an autoloader ONLY to justify having a nigger loaded gun and thus an excuse to have a nigger in the tank.
American culture is centered around niggers, worship niggers, holidays around niggers etc. etc. you know the thing.
niggers

>>510789213
Well they aren’t when you drive over an uncleared minefield.

>>510789613
Didn’t the M60s go to thirdies? Egypt and Turkey primarily?

>>510779487
Carriers are not excluded.

>>510793696
the autoloader is the reason crew survivability in russian tanks is so low. a round in the carousel cooks off setting off a chain reaction that launches the turret into the stratosphere.

>>510793342
These drones will have countermeasures designed against them.

>Only 4 tanks out of 31 remain

Source?

>>510793832
Everything you just wrote is wrong you actual subhuman nigger loving fellator.
First of all, you can't talk about survivability because your frontal lobe isn't developed enough to understand statistics, second of all you can't talk about survivability because your frontal lobe isn't developed enough to understand scale and third you can't talk about tanks because you have unknowingly outed yourself as a retard that LITERALLY argues in favor of tanks without autoloaders by arguing in favor of tanks without autoloaders.

>>510779487
AI targeting for drones, Close defense systems, and heavy artillery. This is the future of warfare large scale war between two powers who can not rely upon aerial supremacy.

>>510794148
the autoloader is a carousel under the crew compartment. when it gets hit a round explodes. causing all the other rounds to explode. killing the crew and causing the turret to pop off the tank. western tanks instead have the ammo in a separate compartment behind an armored door so if the ammo cooks off the crew can survive. there are new ways of making an autoloader without this vulnerability but it hasnt been mass produced in any tanks yet.

>>510778905 (OP)
abraham tanks are very outdated

ukrainians tried to improve them by installing dynamic armor and cope cages, but their protection is still insufficient and gun is like micropenis

Source?

>>510778905 (OP)
I sort of a support Russia in this specific war, but every tank would get destroyed in the mannermin which hohols use,them.
Abrams is still the best current tank.

>>510794330
This war is for Slavs what race riots are for blacks.
Entire world thinks Hitler was right about you.

>>510794410
This war is muslim nigger terrorist vs white christians.

>>510794305
>ukrainians tried to improve them by installing dynamic armor and cope cages, but their protection is still insufficient and gun is like micropenis
Abrams is fucking heavy.
If you add cope cage and reactive armor, it's even heavier.
Totally suitable for Ukrainian muds

>>510794304
Stop writing, I could already tell that you are retarded. You are wasting time trying to convince me of what I already know.
I know more about tank internals than you could ever cram into that tiny little brainlet of yours, or else you would know that literally none of that matters because ammo detonations are a miniscule proportion of tank losses (again, mini frontal lobe not equipped to handle statistics, probability, scale or the implications of probability on scale) and the blowout panels for the turret ammo storage doesn't matter because opening and close the little door is so fucking annoying that everyone hotwires the mechanism that does so and keeps the blast door open unless it's inspection day.
Your average Abrams tank is even more vulnerable to ammo detonations because their ammunition is in the tank, the blowout panels don't matter because everyone bypasses them and the Russian tanks have their ammo in an armored comparetment on the floor where the probability of hit is lowest. Drones in particular are bad at causing an ammo detonation because they like to hit the top where the armor is weakest, not the bottom where it's the strongest (and with another armor lining inside).
The primary cause of lost Russian tanks are mines, which hit the tracks, stop the tank and then the crew fucks off. The tank is either recovered or blown up by artillery afterwards. Or a drone if the crew panicked and forgot to close the top hatch.
You retarded sack of shit.

>>510794678
What utter tripe.

>>510794678
Estimates suggest that for Soviet-designed tanks with carousel autoloaders—like the T‑72, T‑80, and T‑90—approximately half of all destroyed vehicles experience catastrophic detonation of ammunition (“jack-in-the-box” turret toss), largely due to exposed ammo storage design

>>510794869
No they don't.

Are tracked vehicles over? It just seems way too easy to lose a track these days.
Never was difficult, but every destroyed hyhyl tank you see in this conflict has shed a track, which presumably played a role in its demise. Seems like a rather serious weakness if the first drone hit already immobilizes you.

>>510795032
>Are tracked vehicles over?
The short answer is no. You are correct in that the track is the primary weakness of a tank, but the problem is that you need the tank.
People have no idea as to how serious business mine fields are and how hard it is to deal with them. As it turns out, you MUST have an armored demining vehicle because it's the fastest way to get through a minefield "safely". One of the reasons being that if the mine roller fails and you get hit, the vehicle stops and the crew can get out and flee.
The "correct" method of handling mines is a month or two long process of supressing enemy artillery, demining with explosive rope and then crossing through the narrow zone you just demined. Which is usually done in an armored tracked vehicle.
The problem of course being that this gives the enemy a month or two to prepare for your attack.

>>510794998
they do, look it up

don`t worry, croatia is sending its 45 shitty t-72 tanks to ukraine and buying superior western leopard 2s instead. so you wont have to worry about deadly autoloaders much longer

>>510794869
So? It's not like the ratio is much loweer with western tanks, maybe half to one third.
Challenger? Has ammo storage in hull. Leopard 2? Also has ammo storage in hull, although it rarely looses its turret.
Now of course you have the (sensible) option to not put ammo into those storage bins, which dramatically reduces the risk of the tank detonating, and Russian tanks do not have that luxury because of the carousal autoloader, but overall it's a fairly minor issue besides the crew getting killd - which is likely anyway if the tank gets penetrated by tank or missile fire however.
>b-but in western designs one guy inside might survive by chance!
Not worth building an inferior tank over this, although all modern MBT designs are ridiculously outdated; at least 20 years.

>>510795313
Crew survival in tanks with carousel autoloaders is up to 2–3× lower than in tanks with blowout panels due to higher risk of ammo detonation.

>>510795311
No they don't you worthless cockmongler. Dickwaffles cherrypicking videos and then pretending statistics are not a thing are not qualified to make estimates of their own heroin consumption, let alone tank losses.
>muh leopards
That's just a money laundering scheme.

>>510795313
>Not worth building an inferior tank over this,
This is the t-72/t-90 7 kmh reverse speed tanks you're talking about?

>>510795469
No it isn't, that's fake. And the crews in American tanks are largely gay, making your post fake and gay.

>>510795485
i am getting this from statistics and so can you. just look it up

>>510795532
no its real, look it up. or just ask an ai if youre lazy

>>510795283
Just give it a lot of wheels?
>hovertank
This entire "offensivly breach minefields" didn't work for hohols and I am not sure it ever really worked well for anybody. On an equal battlfield this would inevitable lead to massive casualties simply because the mine field is a ranged kill-zone and slows down your advance. Those mine-field breaching vehicles are in effect untested since in any middling conflict theey get knocked out by the dozens.
tl;dr mines cannot be cleared under combat conditions without dying in the process; it's more of a barrier than a weapon, especially since modern mines aren't stupid. Some mines are programmed to not detonate the first 1-2 times they are triggered.
>wew all clear
>boom

>>510795587
As stated many times previously, your frontal lobe isn't capable of handling statistics, which is why you are so easily fooled into falling for this fakery.
The gay is entirely cultural though.

>>510795522
i made the mistake of going russian in war thunder and that slow reverse is such a pita for shoot and scoot that i switched to american

>>510795485
No it's a massive issue with their tanks. Majority are taken out by MANPATS.

There's been fuck all Abrams getting their ammo hit in any theatre, and no reported failure of the blowout system.

>>510795655
ad hominem

>>510795469
That's in fact what I was implying.
>westoid tanks detonate half or one-third as often
>means Russian tanks have 2-3 the risk

>>510795522
How do they even see where they're going in reverse?

>>510788621
>our expectations have been nothing but well orchestrated psyop lies by our elites

Not the win you think it is

>be tankfag
>think your shit was inviceable for years
>tell everyone no one will ever destory it
>reee and cope when it blows up,
>*cry*

looks like genral dymanics is in the dumpster
right after the german tanks got pwned

oh my the cope of the industary is gonna smart.
I can already see all tank desginers crying like a little bitch.

and civilians are like no biggy its obsolite and make a mockery of something that costs more then a few life times worth of pay checks.

but no matter what weapon you make the enmy will alays make something that can defeat it
but war?
war never changes!

>>510795773
T90M has a reversing camera. I'd assume they've bothered supplying reversing camera to their other tanks as even a civilian one will help.

Originally I believe they had to use the side viewing port on the turret and orient it to give the commander a view behind for the driver.

>>510795614
>Just give it a lot of wheels?
That's a BTR or Stryker. The issues with wheels is that they are weak and can't handle the amount of armor you need.
>This entire "offensivly breach minefields" didn't work for hohols and I am not sure it ever really worked well for anybody.
It didn't work for the hohols because the plan was made my American and German planners that literally do not understand mine fields. The list of issues with the great spring counterhruk is bigger than my dick and they all point to not only incompetence, but complete delusion when it comes to understanding military technology and methodology. NATO officer incompetence is extreme.
Breaching mine fields works out for the Russians every day. As I wrote, the proper way to do this takes a month or two. In case you wondered why the Russian advance is so slow - that's why.
>roll up to village
>trenches and minefields
>spend a month attacking them with artillery and drones so you can sneak in a demining vehicle with the explosive rope
>with all the preparation done, do an infiltration and a probe
>if resistance isn't too stiff do an attack, take the village, ger ready to do it again for the next village
>if resistance is too stiff, do another month of preparation
That's just how it is. Mine breaching vehicles are by no means untested, they've done that hundreds of times. The new turtle tank abominations are just an evolution of the classic mine breaching vehicles.

>>510795716
Shut up faggot retard.

>>510796101
great guy
love you too buddy

>>510796075
>The new turtle tank abominations are just an evolution of the classic mine breaching vehicles.
No, actually those are the evolution of the infantry tank of WW1 vintage; the super heavy tank armored spearhead, just without the infantry because they'd all die to cluster munitions.
This entire situation is not helped by the fact mines can be deployed remotely; so that gap you make in the mine-field might well close right behind you.

>>510796341
To say nothing about the fact it hasn't worked. Russia has basically made no pushes into Ukranian territory for 2 years.

>>510796341
It's literally a T72 tank in the standard mine clearing configuration with the mine roller on the front and then plates, cages and wires on top to protect from drone strikes.
That's all it is, a stanard mine clearing tank with anti drone protection.

>>510796533
Please ignore accelerating daily territorial gains harder, maybe they will go away if you pretend they aren't real diligently enough.
Oh btw, said daily gains regularly feature tanks with mine clearing rollers.

>>510796533
The biggest problem with them IMO is that they seem to be completely ad-hoc creations made by field workshops in ones or twos and then hitting the field in ones or twos. That recent one that supposedly took 60 FPV drones to disable was impressive but completely useless by itself, if they were coordinated at a higher level and deployed in numbers then they'd be a threat. One vehicle taking 60 drones to knock out then it's back to business as usual is a nuisance, a dozen of them showing up in the same attack is a problem.

>>510796626
>accelerating daily territorial gains
There isn't.

>>510796785
Your insanity has crossed the threshold, you are beyond help.

>>510796737
>That recent one that supposedly took 60 FPV drones
If you looked up the original source, you'd know it was not actually disabled by a drone, it hit a mine.
The 60 drones did nothing whatsoever.

>>510796921
And it despite being apparently completely immune to drone attacks it ended up being completely useless because it was by itself, as per my point.