i tried a beyond meat burger and a really popular vegan restaurant — even the cheese is vegan — and it was honestly uncanny valley. It had an unusual texture and my brain was expecting real dairy richness with beef but it tasted nutty/fermented/starchy and the patty was close but not quite there. This dissonance confused my senses and triggered my gag-reflex because my instinctive reaction to it was «something’s off».

>>510897111 (OP)
Dwayne Johnson is definitely not vegan.

>>510897111 (OP)

All vegans lie

>>510897111 (OP)
i cant imagine many vegans that go for an impossible burger daily/weekly. they probably dont even have the desire to taste an imposter beef burger. impossible substitutes are more of a gimmick than an actual source of food. veggie burgers (black bean, mushroom, etc) are a much better solution because they actually provide nutritional value while also being their own thing, rather than just a bad substitute.

>>510897931
i agree

>>510897111 (OP)
Some "vegan" ersatz burgers and whatnot are actually pretty good. Some are absolutely hideous.
For years and years and years I used to scoff at "vegans" and "vegetarians " who rely on wannabe animal products but I gave them a try and again some are actually pretty decent - especially if you charr them and smother them in a fuckton of ketchup or whatever.
Source: I don't eat meat or any other products that come from a dead animal. - I never say "vegetarian" because it sounds retarded so everyone just assumes I don't like beef but chicken pork fish and all that shit is OK... Also they all assume you're all about healthy green shit... Bitch, not even remotely

>>510897465
Veganism is the most retarded fad diet slash (((lifestyle))) ever. Every single product on earth from fertilizer to most red dyes to plastic spoons to shampoos to the fabric and the plastic in your your car seats...

>>510897111 (OP)
Literally just take any regular recipe and use beans, potatoes, or mushrooms instead of meat and use olive oil, avocado, or coconut oil instead of animal fat.
Voilà.
It's even easier if you're vegetarian.

>>510899653
Use animal products and or by-products

>>510897465
This most vegans are vegans purely for the clout of being vegan. I’ve seen so called vegans sneaking burgs from McDonald’s at the drive thru.

>>510897111 (OP)
Why would you even taste that? God know what they put in there, it must be like 50% seed oil or some shit.

>>510899264
There’s nothing wrong with something vegan or vegetarian. You just have to make it yourself. There’s a huge difference between a frozen pumpkin and spinach burger and a home made pumpkin and spinach cake pattie. The whole “looks like meat” is a sales gimmick. Most of India is vegetarian or vegan according to them.

>>510899653
Veganism would be a lot cooler if the whole anti-demiurge / anti-Gaia undertone was actually understood and made explicit, rather than acting like they love nature

>>510897111 (OP)
I'm not vegan. I just hate seeing creatures that can experience pain and suffering put through the most pain and suffering possible, from birth to death. And then put on my plate, still reeking of the sewer pit it was born in.
I eat mostly vegetables because factory meat smells like feces, actual shit. Even restaurants are starting to have that "chicken shit" smell coming out of them when I drive by.

What really hurts is the fact that when I zoom out from the cattle, chicken and pig farms, it looks like the rest of the USA. Feels like I'm an animal on a farm. I fucking hate it here on this gay clown hell world that continues to suck worse every minute of every day. I envy the people of the past who didn't get meat all the time, but at least is wasn't sewer-borne shit odors mutant food like people are eating today.

>>510900293
as above so below
as within so without

>>510899966
Did you even read my post bub... That's exactly what I meant...
And see... You assumed a fairly healthy diet..
Most fucking pizza is vegetarian, grilled cheese... Vegetarian... Pasta, ditto... A gigantic bowl of cereals, a huge tub of ice-cream, chocolate chip cookies... guess what...

>>510897111 (OP)
Vegans always try to imitate animal products, but carnivores never try to imitate vegetables. Says a lot about which diet is natural and proper.

It was a trend among millennials that like are retarded diets will die out then return again a decade or two later. Two of the closest supermarkets (Tesco and Morrisons) to me have removed their vegan range due to not selling. When they still had it, the reduced to clear section was always full of the slop.

>>510900293

Im not a fan of ultra processed extreme diets

>>510900445
>carnivores never try to imitate vegetables
Oh yeah? Then what's THIS?

>>510897111 (OP)
>A vegan
>Capable of carrying their weight in vegetables

>>510900719
steroids are vegan

>>510897111 (OP)
Hardly unexpected. It's not really food.

>yummy scar tissue

>>510899264
See, I don't have a problem with anyone who just doesn't want to eat something or have a specific diet for whatever reason (or even if you feel a little bad about eating an animal, I do too admittedly). I hate the sanctimonious faggots who turn it into "MEAT IS MURDER! IT'S A LIVING THING! IT FEELS!". Yes, that's all true, but so is harvesting edibles from plants and eating plants; regardless of the fact that plants don't have a nervous system like we do, plants are living things, and they do react to stressors to themselves and their environment, and react to threats in ways to preserve their own lives and survivability. On top of that, we are part of the animal kingdom, we eat other animals and use them for our own ends, just as every other organism does. Extremist vegetarians and vegans view themselves not only outside of the animal kingdom, but even above it, and are hypocrites in this way (otherwise, PETA wouldn't be killing the vast majority of the strays they take into their shelters, dictating which few live and which die).

>>510897111 (OP)
It will also (if eaten regularly) make you grow boobs, make you infertile, or even give you cancer.

>>510901097
>Extremist vegetarians and vegans view themselves not only outside of the animal kingdom, but even above it, and are hypocrites in this way
what's hypocritical about this in and of itself

>>510897111 (OP)
I hate vegan food that tries to simulate meat, it just never works and makes me feel ill.

Rather eat something that doesn’t even try to be meat, like some mushrooms or tofu.
Gotta go to an asian restaurant for that stuff however. Like why the fuck are you a vegan and trying to eat a burger or steak anyway? Just like lesbians who use strapons.

>>510901458
They are still sustaining themselves off a living thing, while screeching at others for doing the same. The ones who are anti-pet or feel it's a type of supremacy over animals, and especially those who support current-day PETA's practices, exercise their own form of the same concept over animals and view themselves above animals (such as PETA deciding 'this one needs to die because of x reason', which is supposedly most of the ones they take in). They're not better than anyone, they just choose to sustain themselves exclusively off of "the suffering" of plant life.

>>510897111 (OP)
Veganism= starvation

>>510901458
You are just an animal yourself, albeit with LOTS of training and pampering.
Vegans are animals that have been conditioned to never talk about the jewish control over the planet.

Did you stop pooping as soon as you became "enlightened", did you stop needing to eat? Destroying others so that you may continue is the nature of all creatures on earth, even down to bacterium. Ignoring your own needs and existence is suicide for animals. It's all the same for humans too.

>>510897111 (OP)
Over here in California, our vegan food is pretty good, I only get it when my family who is vegan visits, though. Honestly, most of it tastes exactly like its nonvegan counterparts minus the texture.

Good vegan food is good, bad vegan food is bad. Crazy concept.

>>510902026
https://youtu.be/2QzqFImaLFw?
>>510902148
No one is getting enough Vitamin D from their (non-supplemented non-fortified) diet unless they're eating wild salmon every day
also, coconut oil is a saturated fat
but yes, veganism is an ascetic diet

>>510902127
>They are still sustaining themselves off a living thing, while screeching at others for doing the same.
>They're not better than anyone, they just choose to sustain themselves exclusively off of "the suffering" of plant life.
you're engaging in some disingenuous debate bro nihilism if you think a cow and a carrot have the same capacity for suffering
Anyways, Jains actually do take this position to its logical conclusion and only eat plant foods that can be harvested without killing the plant
They also take constant steps not to kill insects or microorganisms
So at least they're not hypocrites

I like vegan food. You know, fruits and vegetables. Grains and Nuts.

I'm a pureblood, no experimental gene therapy. I only became a vegan when I realized the government forces farmers to inject their livestock with experimental pharmaceutical chemicals in order to get money from the government.

Why should I put pain and suffering in my body, you are what you eat so If I engage in such a behavior it'll only cause pain and suffering for myself. I'd rather continue to be a pureblood than consume tainted meat.

>>510902297
>Vegans are animals that have been conditioned to never talk about the jewish control over the planet.
Do you randomly sperg out about the jews in literally every conversation you have

>>510902127
Retard

>>510897394
He also definitely wouldn’t be able to lift a bag like that. Despite all the steroids it’s actually hilarious what a little bitch he is, man can barely put up 3 plates on leg press.

>>510902696
>if you think a cow and a carrot have the same capacity for suffering
>disingenuous debate
If only I said that, you might be right, but I didn't. It still doesn't change the fact that vegetarians and vegans are consuming a living thing to stay alive. Are we going to debate which life is worth a little more than others? That sounds like more of a typical carnivore mentality to me.
>They also take constant steps not to kill insects or microorganisms
I guess good on them for trying not to intentionally kill microorganisms, but that's pretty difficult, if not impossible.

>>510902890
Lol I'm not saying you people are bad people for it, but don't fucking lie to yourselves or others, or feel you're better than others because you eat a plant instead of an animal.

Absolute trash thread save for the trips.

You should be promoting veganism so meat prices go down, there is less suffering of animals and that the mentally weak will wither away faster by eating the soi. Make a blog faggot

>>510897931
>veggie burgers (black bean, mushroom, etc) are a much better solution because they actually provide nutritional value while also being their own thing, rather than just a bad substitute
Boca Burger will never die. If you are in New England, try to find Blue Mango burgers.
>t. carnivore with an opinion

>>510903453
>It still doesn't change the fact that vegetarians and vegans are consuming a living thing to stay alive. Are we going to debate which life is worth a little more than others?
Do you REALLY want to take this nondualism all the way, anon?
Anyways, vegans explicitly say they don't want to harm or consume animals because of their sentience, not because they're living things.
That's why you have "ostro-vegans" who are fine with eating oysters.
https://youtu.be/Zl9o1QWHXko?

im baffled by any supposedly compassionate vegan that would eat imitation meat
they don't want to partake in any animal suffering, ok
but most people don't engage in cannibalism either yet no one is buying tasty plant-based "simulated human child meat" and might even be bothered by such a concept simply because it is a depraved simulation. imitation meat is depraved in the same way because it makes a mockery of suffering itself

>>510903829
>Do you REALLY want to take this nondualism all the way, anon?
>Anyways, vegans explicitly say they don't want to harm or consume animals because of their sentience, not because they're living things.
If it doesn't matter, then why are you getting upset by me just stating the fact that you're still consuming a living thing to survive, just like everyone else? If it's not about the fact that it's a living thing, in and of itself, but the plethora of different rationalities that every vegan and vegetarian has to justify their categorization of 'life that's ok to eat' and 'life that's not ok to eat', then why do you get upset that I say you rationalize and categorize just like everyone else? I haven't said a negative thing about either of these diets, and you and that other anon seem upset that all I'm saying is that you're just like everyone else, but choose to eat plant life, instead of animals. The only "negative" things I said are about the ones who feel it makes them superior to others in some way.

>>510897111 (OP)
no problem with that.
You want your own extra meal and you bring it. Thats how its supposed to be done

>>510904055
I was always led to understand it was there more for people trying to stick to the diet but doing a shit job, or to win over people who eat meat already so they'll consider switching diets. But yeah, if you're going strictly by the principle of it, I can see what you mean.

>>510904928
>If it doesn't matter, then why are you getting upset by me just stating the fact that you're still consuming a living thing to survive, just like everyone else?
I'm not a vegan
>If it's not about the fact that it's a living thing, in and of itself, but the plethora of different rationalities that every vegan and vegetarian has to justify their categorization of 'life that's ok to eat' and 'life that's not ok to eat', then why do you get upset that I say you rationalize and categorize just like everyone else?
>all I'm saying is that you're just like everyone else, but choose to eat plant life, instead of animals. The only "negative" things I said are about the ones who feel it makes them superior to others in some way.
"All I'm saying is that you're just like a pedophile, but choose to have sex with adults, instead of children."

>>510897111 (OP)
I could probably swing a vegetarian diet fine but vegan is crazy to me. I need my eggs. Cooking without eggs is a massive debuff in your life.

>>510897111 (OP)
The CEO of beyond meat was in a road rage incident where he punched someone’s window out and bit the nose off of their face. Wouldn’t eat that shit.

>>510905852
If "just like a pedophile" was "all I'm saying is you have sex with humans just like everyone else, but choose to have sex with adults, instead of children" then yeah, you vegetarians are pedophiles, or something, whatever reach around you were going for with that one.
>you're engaging in some disingenuous debate bro

>>510906742
You ARE the one with the disingenuous debate bro shit, I just had to reverse your own logic against you to show you how ridiculous it is.
I don't care what you eat but don't pretend that plants and animals are categorically the same thing, that their levels of sentience and suffering are comparable.

>>510903175
these giant legs look stupid and all bodybuilders are mentally ill junkies.

>>510906991
>I just had to reverse your own logic against you to show you how ridiculous it is.
Which made no sense in the way you stated it.

>but don't pretend that plants and animals are categorically the same thing, that their levels of sentience and suffering are comparable.
You're upset that all I've said is that people who eat plants and people who eat animals are still eating a living thing, regardless of suffering or sentience.

>>510907234
Pretending there is no meaningful distinction between a carrot and a cow is even more egregious than pretending there is no meaningful distinction between an adult and a child.
>You're upset that all I've said is that people who eat plants and people who eat animals are still eating a living thing, regardless of suffering or sentience.
I already addressed this. Vegans don't give a shit about them being "living things", that's irrelevant. They give a shit about the suffering and sentience. To which you then did some pilpul about how plants suffer too and that vegans are the exact same as meat-eaters because they both categorize things???

Just eat meat, fish, eggs, dairy, fruit and stop being a fucking pussy.

>>510897111 (OP)
leave that vegan shit out in nature.
you'll notice that not even insects will touch that shit.
i hope you get aids

>>510907649
I just said they are both living things, your "meaningful distinction" is completely subjective as much as a Jain's and an "ostro-vegan's" (such as the disagreement between vegans that can exist over eating oysters, and if they are vegan or not), as well as every other strain of vegetarian and vegan (who disagree over eggs and other products from the animal itself). Everyone has their categorization over "this is ok" and "this is not ok".

And plants and animals are still living things, regardless of any of that. You just want to rationalize it down to placing yourself in some "better" position, which is why me just stating they are living things at the end of the day, triggers the fuck out of you so bad. Anyone who wasn't a retard would have gone "yep, they are" and moved on. This is why many people find you lot to be insufferable cunts. I even pretty much said I don't give a shit what anyone's diet is or their rationalization.

>>510907649
If you choose a herbivore diet because of empathy then you are quite literally emotionally handicapped (retarded)