Thread 511214400

/pol/ absolutely destroyed
Marxism is sensible, Fascism is just a suicidal ideology

>>511214400 (OP)
The question is: why do they fear fascists but let marxists do whatever they want?
You are not a threat to the system.

>Some random nobody has an opinion on social media.
Thank fuck I know what to think now!

>>511214400 (OP)
I think both are fucking retarded.

>>511214400 (OP)
he is correct, there are many different type of marxisms, you can have a murderous marxist tyrant as stalin but you can also have democratic marxism or benevolent marxist rulers like tito or deng xiaoping. meanwhile for fascism belief of the master race and genocides of the "subhumans" is teh central part.

>>511214583
That """nobody""" is Hasan, the largest political influencer in the world

>>511214400 (OP)
its because jews do not fear communism and the US is under jewish minority rule for the past 50 years,
admitting this would create cognitive dissonance thus his mind can't even perceive reality

>>511214619
saying that has no information value and no explanation or predictive power

>>511214400 (OP)
Seems kinda hypocritical for a muslim to be saying that.

>>511214705
Yea a nobody. As anon said
garbage twatter faggot

>>511214463
>>511214771
system was deadly afraid of marxists 1917-1991 but after ussr collapsed marxists became weaker and revolution became unlikely. but recently with capitalism in crisis again you openly see billionaires like elon fund fascists, to fight against rising proletarian movements.

>>511214705
>the largest political influencer in the world
pretty sure that's asmond

>>511214821
hes a tankie

>>511214400 (OP)
We dont want to murder anyone, we just dont want to live among niggers, jeets, brown people in general like him and we want a society that is orderly plus appreciates its heritage, thats not too much to ask, infact its the bare minimum

>>511214801
They're both extremes and extremes are historically never good. A marxist society is garbage, a fascist society is garbage.
Only retards think the ideal society is an extreme of anything.

>>511214651
>meanwhile for fascism belief of the master race and genocides of the "subhumans" is teh central part.

You never did open a dictionary in your life, did you?

>>511214884
it didn't have that cancelation power prior as well because cancel culture is done by and on behalf of jews

their power in the US is so muscular that a minortarian splinter faction has taken over the entire american right for their genocidal ethno state

>>511214651
Deng Xiaoping is perhaps the worst example of a communist you could have possibly given.

>>511214991
that is not the topic, jews do not fear communism and jews run america by cancel culture that is why

>>511214400 (OP)
>marxism and facism
They're the same thing you goof.
When one group of people have all the power, they can call themselves anything and do anything because they have no accountability.

>>511214884
>to fight against rising proletarian movements.
Communism in Russia was a jewish movement, the proletariat got murdered in their millions, if you actually talk to normal working class people they are all either apolitical or nationalistic, literally nobody is a communist on a construction site, communists are neets, drug addicts, jews and criminals

>>511214400 (OP)
fuck you nigger, you gay ass nigger. you bitch ass nigger.

>>511215108
they are not the same that is not true

>>511214991
How is fascism extreme? Its capitalism that is extreme, everything is about the bottom line and red line going up, thats sick and not in a good way

>>511215145
socialism is very popular among the youth in the west, look it up. streamers like hasan, politicians like aoc and bernie, etc.

>>511215108
they are not the same that is not true and because they are not the same the jewish rulers of the US apply their veto power with different intensity

hasan piker gets money from jeff bezos

>>511215071
I don't think of the ideal soceity on the basis of "what pisses off jews the most" I think based on what helps the most people and enables growth, prosperity, and stability.
Trumps presidency is just a small taste of what living in a fascist or marxist country is like. I want neither.

>>511214400 (OP)
I think of of the funniest things to date I have seen is people trying to claim any form of socialism is objective

>>511215240
this thread is about why jews do not cancel communist, the difference in treatment shows you the contours of jewish minority rule and its consequences in the US

>>511215193
authoritarianism is always extreme whether its left or right. Also I don't believe any nation should try to force loyalty. A nation should have to earn loyalty through its actions and making its people happy, this is why I also think nationalism is retarded. If you have to be forced to love something then its not real love.
>>511215313
>why jews do not concel communists
Thats not true either. Look at whats happening with Zohran Mamdani. He's not even a communist.

>>511215014
imagine saying this after ustasi killed 500000 of croatian citizens just because of their religion

>>511214651
Why do people keep saying fascism implies genocide?? Acknowledging the existence of racial hierarchies does not automatically lead to the idea that lesser races must be exterminated. It simply means that they should be judged based on their actual merits and abilities, not some hypothesized achievements that will only manifest once they are no longer regarded as being different.

>>511215356
jews support mamdani and they do not fear him, the ethno nationalist splinter does not

>>511214400 (OP)
>Marxism is sensible

>>511215383
>Acknowledging the existence of racial hierarchies does not automatically lead to the idea that lesser races must be exterminated.
it does, the logical conclusion of such thinking is genocide.
>It simply means that they should be judged based on their actual merits and abilities
the racism is opposed to meritocracy, racism put white meth addict above a black doctor.

>>511215234
>>511215183
They are indeed the same.
Both are totalitarian
The details of how they manage their respective slave states are unimportant. If you live under either, you are a slave and have lost the game.
The idea is to prevent a totalitarian state from developing in the first place.
Marxists and fascists both lie about everything, so why debate the merits of either? You must identify their core characteristic - totalitarianism.

>>511215356
Authoritarianism was the norm for all of human history, every single great civilization was authoritarian to a degree
>Also I don't believe any nation should try to force loyalty
What, why not? You think its ok to live in a country and be against the people of the country? To me thats extreme, ofcourse you should be loyal to your people and country that should be self evident and subversives should be punished if they work against the collective good of the nation, our countries are fucked because we haven't done that, normal people dont have to be forced because its human nature to like your own but unfortunately there are all sorts of psychos and mutants out there who hate where they come from

>>511215612
fascism allows for private property it can function but stiffels innovation in contrast to liberal oligarchy

>>511215822
Yeah and not bathing was the norm too, and sleeping in filth was the norm as well. Just because something was "normal" doesn't mean it wasn't fucking retarded. Also those authoritarian countries always end the same way, in mass violence.
Because if you rule with force then you die with force.

>>511214705

Does he actually have global political influence, as in can influence political decisions around the world.

Or is that term just a measure of globalist investment for pushing their talking points and agendas?

>>511215531
tribalism is normal

>>511215930
just because something is normal doesnt mean its good

>>511216065
you have no choice to be tribal if the others are thats game theory

>>511215924
he is mainly funded by jeff bezos

>>511214400 (OP)
>objective
>marxism doesn't murder people

Italian fascism did not have any racial component

>>511215902
No actually people did bathe quite regularly back in the day and your non authoritarian country is the most violent country in the history of the world, after ww2 US killed like 30 million people in the name of democracy and ''freedom'' all over the world

>>511215531
>it does, the logical conclusion of such thinking is genocide.
It's not. Segretation is. It says more about you if you think the lesser people should be exterminated.

>>511216214

So he is a ventriloquist puppet for Jeff Bezos?

Lol

>>511214400 (OP)
Marxism is NOT an accurate description of capitalism and it's solutions to stated issues are asinine. Furthermore they directly led to the death of millions of people - far more than the case with fascist regimes.Finally, the turkroach has no understanding of actual fascism. If you havent read Giovanni Gentile, you don't know what fascism is and will instead employ some vague description conceived by hysterical jews and women.
>>511214651
>meanwhile for fascism belief of the master race and genocides of the "subhumans" is teh central part.
Incorrect
>>511214705
> the largest political influencer in the world
Lol. Lmao.
>>511214991
Stfu boomer

>>511214400 (OP)
China is a fascist state and they're doing pretty well compared to the capitalist shithole that is the US, and the more social democratic shitholes we have in Europe.

>>511214884
>fund fascists,
like trump?
just fucking lol
you are retarded

>>511215202
you know what else is popular?
lol

>>511216862
bezos has so much money that he doesn't notice that he funds a camwhore site for the underage and the worlds hairiest stalinist

twitch is silly

The nazis were zionists, the communists of Russia were zionists, the communists of China are zionists.

I'm just not a mental slave and golem of zionist Jews. I reject your entire zionist Jew dichotomy.

I am a Muslim. Islam is my religion, my politics, my ideology, my way of life, my daily routine.

My politics are holy war against the satanic zionist Jews.

>>511215108
>They're the same thing you goof.
You're one retarded nigger ape
>>511215145
Correct
>>511215612
Your grain when washed in semitic mutt goy slop
>>511215830
> those authoritarian countries always end the same way, in mass violence.
Yeh ZOG USA is such a paragon of order and peace. Holy kek. GTFO my board amerigolem

>>511214400 (OP)

Define fascism. And you won't be able to.

/thread

>>511217189

Do you not read history?

Haavara Agreement, the nazis were zionists.

>>511217301

Are you following along?

The nazis were zionists.

Stalin, also a zionist.

Cool story bro.

>>511214884
Communism was always for the rich and powerful to eliminate every other group that had some more money and power than them
>noooo it was the workers rising up
LoL

>>511214463
>not afraid
the financial elite is deeply afraid of marxists, why do you think they went to fight jungle people in vietnam. and all the coups in south america, the sanctions against cuba/venezuela. they're actually terrified that a potentially successful socialist country could exist.

>>511214884
>hurr durr fascism is muh capitalism in crisis
Why did the capitalist world side with communists to smash it then? Stfu you tarded trot faggot

>>511217350

Putting the dots together here for you.

Communist China. Yes, also zionist.

The nazis, zionist. The communists, zionists.

>>511217189
>My politics are holy war against the satanic zionist Jews.
YWDSN. Munafiq faggot.

>>511217392
lol lmao
people openly call themselves marxists in america and get elected, like the nyc mayor

>>511217383
communism is fake bread riots lead by the cultural elite against the power elite

>>511217242
Your brain* when washed

>>511217027
>doing pretty well
Hahahaha a chink would kill his entire family just for the chance to live in America

>>511217538
jews do not fear commies thats why, jewish factionalism has the most predictive power in US politics

>>511214400 (OP)
Theres no difference between late stage capitalism and communism both a statecorp monopoly who owns everything and you the goyim proletariaat owns nothing, ofcourse OP being a midwit like all commies is incapable of such insight or nuance

>>511217421

So who is NOT zionist?

Who actually resists global zionism?

Muslims. Jihadists, the only people who do. Islamists.

The US government censors even discussing Hamas online.

The zionist Jews control your entire idea of politics and political ideology.

Your "overton window" is just different flavors of zionism, of submission to zionist Jews.

In the media, in your history books, academia, where opposing zionist Jews gets you sent to prison.

Communism is kosher opposition. It allows libshits and fags to believe they are "rebelling" against the system without actually going against it. Notice how jews allow communism to be freely talked about in the discourse, but you'll never see the same thing with National Socialism or fascism. Fundamentally capitalism and communism are the same type jewish materialism that looks at people as mass of economic units to be played around, not as unique individuals. Jews obviously thrive in that environment so communism is very much not something they have a problem with.

> Baruch Lévy, in a letter to Karl Marx.
https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism

>>511214400 (OP)
Communism is cringe and stupid. It's an atheistic religion, and its economic conceptualization is on par with Young Earth creationism.

Hasan is a dimwit who considers himself far more intelligent than he is. Anyone who studies him will notice that he cannot argue without ad hominem attacks from generations of consanguineous marriages (cousin-fucking). This is typical for inbreds.

>inb4 ad hominem
I'm not performing ad hominem attacks: I'm name-calling. Hasan isn't wrong because he's inbred: he's inbred and he's wrong. That's why he's Communist: stupid because he's inbred.

>>511217614
liberal oligarchy and proto monarchy with effective 100% tax rate are very different

>>511217580
No one wants to live in the US, they just want your wages and that's it.

>>511214705
he is not and like most e-thot his stream are heavily bot-ed

>>511217538
Because marxism can be argued as a school of thought and philosophy.
A fascist cannot be argued in the same way without sounding like a total psychopath.

>>511217667
I should call the system libertine oligarchy it is not liberal, permissive of anti social behavior but not liberal people having autonomy and freedom of association

>>511217538
he's not a threat at all for the system. he'll just be the fall guy when his policies fail to reinforce the idea that marxism doesnt work.
https://nypost.com/2025/06/22/us-news/communist-group-slams-zohran-mamdani-for-deceiving-working-class/

>>511217747
its because of jewish minority rule, their preferences and fears

>>511217667
When you make an argument you have to construct why you believe that

>>511217189
Zionism if correctly implemented would not be a bad idea, obviously jews should be gotten out of white countries just like you muslims should be gotten out of here, the problem is jewish power in western countries not some dusty shithole in the middle east

>>511217747
Anyone in history that has been against communism very harshly has been called a fascist..

Jews hated the roman empire since Romans almost wiped them out. that's why enemies of the jews are also called "fascist" which is derived from the word "fasces" which was the symbol of roman law. to be called a fascist is to be called a roman which is to be called an enemy of the jews.

>>511217392
Yet their kids are either Marxists or Zionists (or both)

>>511214400 (OP)
This paki looking cunt is a proper pussy. He wont escape that fact until he embraces his destiny and faces the Ghost of Kyiv. Only then a Jedi he will be.

>>511217747
no, its simple
they dont fear you at all

>>511217811
100% effective tax rate is the defining feature of communism/socialism
we have private property ownership and much lower tax rates, the force to expropriate everything is so draconian that it becomes all corrupting

any attempt to perform equivocation between the two is silly

>>511217301
>>511217350
Were your parents related you dumb fuck?
>>511217392
>a potentially successful marxist country could exist.
No such thing
>>511217747
>never heard og Giovanni Gentile
Pathetic
Fascists LOST WW2. That is the ONLY reason. But you can't keep down a good idea and Giovanni had a few.

>>511217392
>>511214884
Do people really believe these things?
That Elon funds facists and that Vietnam was about stopping a socialist country from existing? This is like a retarded child's view of politics if that child was forced to watch major news networks 24/7 (which I guess might easily lead one to be retarded).
Which, as a zoomer, I understand that this is how the zoomers were raised. But surely they should eventually see past that.

>>511217538
>people openly call themselves marxists in america and get elected, like the nyc mayor

This should give you a hint that why people voted for him.
This should give you a hint why people are siding with a so called "marxist". (he's not, he is a pakjeet, they are mentally incapable to be a real communist but that's beside the point)

People know what's going on. Era of judeo-capitalism is over.

>>511215531
>put white meth addict above a black doctor.
>assumes doctors aren't drug addicts

>>511217893
it's a false debate anyway. USA is a mixed economy, capitalist but with a huge welfare system (socialism) that prevents a marxist revolution. without the big welfare system there would have been a revolution by now.

>>511214884
Are you a commie because your parents are ashamed of the fact that you’re a faggot?

>>511217893
because they want to be the power elite, their parents only have soft power, and have trouble getting away with rape and murder

max blumenthal wants more power than his father sidney not less
hasans father was VP of turkish blackrock a paltry comparsion of what commisar piker could do

>>511217947
Since communism and late stage capitalism are inherently identical id say just kill the rich and bankers and then reinstate capitalism, that way you got another good 300 years or so before you have to do it again

>>511217952
no its not the reason, the only reason is the nature of jewish power and its enemies
the US has no problem backing saudi arabia or the shah

>>511214651
It's not. Franco didn't genocide anybody.

>>511218088
they are not identical, you repeating this against evidence to he contrary makes it not truer

>>511217888
Modern fascism is nothing like roman fascism, the way the US government was settup is something akin to Roman fascism. But modern fascists don't follow that sort of logic, they follow total domination of all aspects of government and put up a bulwark around near technocratic rule and shit on minorities and the disadvantaged.

>>511217939
>>511217801
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>511217952
Fascism is not a good idea. It was a shit idea. People like democracy and workers rights.

>>511217952
They only lost because literally the entire world had to group up on them

>>511218147
>the only reason is the nature of jewish power
Which exists because the fashies lost WW2 Hans.

>>511217515

I am no munafiq.

I have already done plenty.

I actually live my beliefs in real life.

They have the legal right to put me in prison or simply murder me.

The zionist government threatens my life and the life of my family.

You are the munafiqun, that is what my brother in Gaza calls you people. The Sayyid, the blood descendents of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), support my Jihad, as do the people of Gaza.

You call yourselves freedom fighters, you are terrorists and genocidal criminals. Munafiq. A hypocrite. That is what you are.

I actually live my beliefs in real life, I have actually done a great deal. You, meanwhile, spend your days arguing about which satanic zionist Jew you will submit to. They own your soul, your nation, and your life, your future, and the future of your people.

The judgment of you hypocrites is worthless, you are mental slaves of the zionist Jews. You will not risk your life let alone your freedom to gain your self-determination. I have and so have my brothers.

Go back to your zionist Jew approved "intellectual discussion" where you debate golems about which zionist Jew ideology defines you.

>>511218182
seethe

>>511215356
you said authoritarianism is extreme.
anon said actually it's historically normal.
you said that's irrelevant.
uhh, do you not understand that "historically normal" is a counter-argument to "extreme"? as in, historically authoritarianism was not considered extreme.
this isn't that hard.

>>511214400 (OP)
Nah, both are literally suicidal.
Fascism is suicide by cop, marxism is suicide by overdose.

> Retards who dont know what socialism or fascism is base their whole identity around it

And you morons eat up their shit like ghandi having dinner

>>511218176
There is no evidence against the contrary hell just look at the Soviet Union its essentially identical to late stage capitalism a single monopolous state who owns all companies (the statecorp) who has to trickledowneconomics it to the goy proletariaat. Theres literally zero difference this is what communism inherently is a bourg trick so that you speedrun late stage capitalism for the rich. You literally have not refuted this point in any way shape or capacity

>>511217537

Look at this idiot.

>>511217301

The nazis were zionist Jews.

>>511217350
>>511217421

So are the communists.

The zionist Jews know this.

And you will not even think beyond it.

Let alone speak, that's illegal, yes even here.

>>511218211
no that was how hitler rose to power
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Soviet_Republic

we started with jewish capitalist running germany and jewish communist seizing more power

>>511214400 (OP)
marxism exterminated about 200mln people worldwide. Fascism is reaaaaly kids play compared to communism.

>>511218267
soviet union had an absolute ruler and a 100% effective tax rate
we life in a libertine oligarchy defined by jewish tribal minority rule in the american case

>>511218267
Inherently ultimate power always corrupts you have to be a retard to think an elite who flies a commie flag is somehow inherently morally better then a capitalist all humans are evil primates retard

>>511215108
this is a lolbertarian take. fascism believes in heirarchy while communism believes in universalism and equality. that alone makes them polar opposites.

>>511217967
yes the elites have been deeply afraid of marxism growing. in 1920 there were palmer raids, police crackdowns on labor strikes. then there was the mccarthyism era. then there was occupy wall street that resulted in mass surveillance and coordinated police crackdowns.

>>511214400 (OP)
>turkish nigger living in the US with this millionaire father talking about marxism
yep

>>511218338
fascism explodes, communism implodes as tendency
fascist can farm, communist can't harvest crops

>>511218353
>Millions starving to death is 100% effective tax rate
> Doesnt give an argument with what he considers effective
Its like you love making a point but youre incapable of constructing the point, but then again your entire nation is a competition of cucks who can look away the best when their daughters get raped by immigrants so they can have the leastnaziingermany award

>>511218182
>People like democracy
People are retards and democracy is impossible at scale.
> and workers rights.
Workers can have plenty of rights and good wages under fascism. More so than under neoliberal (((capitalism)))
>>511218217
>I am no munafiq.
He says - as jews massacre muslims in gaza while he does nothing - while disobeying the shariah which forbids muslims residing in non muslim lands. You should be on jihad in palestine you fucking coward stray dog.
Instead you are a willing pawn of globalist jewry living in ZOG USA. You better hope Islam isn't true because if it is, Allah is sending you straight to the lowest pit of hell munafiq.
>You are the munafiqun
I'm not a muslim you retarded paki sandnigger

>>511214400 (OP)
Browns need to be exterminated is an objective description of what needs to happen.

>>511218280
Jewish power - whether on left or right - exists because the fashies lost WW2 Hans. Simple as.

>>511215145
What about in China retard. Do the Chinese communists have a Jew ran federal bank? Please don’t provide schizo photos give real information. Also the Soviets had lower levels of inequality if anyone actually wants to be smart about the rich vs poor argument.

>>511218456
Democracy is more than just voting, it's about being able to express yourself without being suppressed, or simply having a voice that can be heard. And there's many other factors to democracy beyond voting.

Give me one example where workers had the same rights as we do today, the nazis and Italians had literal slave labor.

>>511215531
johnson was probably our most jewish president. opened the floodgates to non-white immigration. total globohomo.

and the "genocide" you're describing is also what happens in nature. that's the whole point. fascism doesn't shy away from this.

>>511214400 (OP)
What's with leftists and their goofy idea of what fascism is? It's like this boogeyman fanfic version of projection that has no bearing on reality.

>>511217027
I want to fuck Diogenes-chan

Yet the left will never bring up classist fascism which is the real issue that the globalists take advantage of and thats because most of the political money on the left goes towards using designated overseers that are financially priveleged to dupe minorities and other types with propaganda like identity politics. Doing so also keeps the hegelian dialectic healthy so that the globalists maintain control. A divided populace is much easier to manipulate and control. The left complains about the rich but not the ones on their side just because they wave rainbow flags and pay for special programs or events that superficially support leftist ideology related causes. The more they stick with their present ideological framework the more the very rich, like globalists, are successful and laughing at them.

>>511218447
kanker MOF, effective means that it doesn't say we have a 100% tax rate but that the effect in practise is state power taking everything
not effective in the sense of a high degree of efficiency

here is where national socialist germany was interesting:
>a distributed decentralized bottom up currency
this meantt that inflation becomes a regressive tax on the rich instead of an oligarchical mill to expropriate everything over time to a tiny minority
a trickle up system

the soviet Union had gosbank their theft of the product of labor total

>>511218558
no sorry, it was there before I do not care who sits on the throne of england

>>511218182
Fascism is a workers movement, when Mussolini marched in to Rome he did it with workers who didn't like how the king ran things and in 1927 the first ever workers rights document in Italy The Charter of Labour was signed by Mussolini, also Hitler was voted in to office democratically, when there is a legitimate option to choose people like fascism/national socialism

>>511218558
Nazism was a bullshit ideology. the only way it could work was to wage wars against others. Now what would have happened if nazis could win against all countries in the world? it would just implode because the only thing that made it successful was hope of a better future through wars.

>>511217027
china is more capitalist than america. and also more communist.

>>511218353
Waiting 30 years for a single Lada car is totally 100% effective tax rate goy! You disagree? Our jewish leaders will set the secret police on your ass and dissapear you. And the funniest part is how the russians absolutely raped all germans and you like a little cuck love sucking them off its just so perfect the way jews killed your peoples spirit and youre just this impotent loser

>>511217415
Hitler was the one that attacked the communists you uneducated retard. Hitler was still paying his debts DURING the war like a good little Jewish cuck. The world must love the Chinese Communists by your logic

>>511214400 (OP)
I remember my first semester of college

>>511218383
those events are unrelated to the Vietnam war and fucking Elon.
Besides Labor strikes and Occupy wall street were about accountability and fairness not marxism, and in practice, it was always self avowed marxists that would turn the labor strikes violent and occupy wall street into political theater. If anything the marxists are most often the worst of the controlled opposition.

>>511218815
they took everything then redistributed some back
100% tax rate, no private property ownership

>>511218660
>it's about being able to express yourself without being suppressed, or simply having a voice that can be heard
Why would I support subversive jews, trannies and leftoids having their anti-White deviant views heard or shilled to innocent children?
>Give me one example where workers had the same rights as we do today
Workers are exploited under neoliberalism today and have their wages constantly eroded via inflation and mass immigration
Adolf assured rights and subsidized holidays - even during total war
NS explicitly asserts the nobility of labour and the importance of treating the workers with due respect. It was called the German Worker's Party for a reason nigger.

>>511218884
And it's not as if Marx himself was any better in that regard lmao.

>>511218647
Chinese read Carl Shmitt in their universities and have been getting rid of everything communist since the 80s, during Mao they had a bunch of jews in there as party advisers because communism is jewish and jews are the best advisors since its their thing
>Also the Soviets had lower levels of inequality
Yeah because everyone was treated like shit exept those who were in the communist party, they were all equally fucked, literally millions went to gulags after communists killed 10 million in the russian civil war, the scale of the horrors russians went through during communism is unfathomable to us

>>511217392
Tell me youre an indoctrinated college victim without telling me youre an indoctrinated college victim.

>>511214400 (OP)
>words words words
Marxism is a heap of academic babble

>>511218182
people like worker's rights, but most people don't really care about democracy. most people don't even like thinking for themselves, they just pick a leader.

>>511218945
the currency was the most revolutionary aspect, not top down centralized created via debt
but bottom up distributed minted by a mans labor

national socialist germany embodied the spirit of communism more than the soviet union with their gosbank
which inflated away the value of labor by greedy party functionaries

>>511218754
>it was there before
Noone asserted otherwise Hans
>>511218784
>the only way it could work was to wage wars against others
Trot/lolbert cope assertion based on nothing
>>511218825
>Hitler was the one that attacked the communists
No shit
>Hitler was still paying his debts DURING the war
While exploiting the foreign currency market and utilizing labour backed currency to bypass and undermine said system
>The world must love the Chinese Communists by your logic
Chinks are no loner commies you utter dunce
Now answer the question
Why did the capitalist world side with communists to smash fascism?

>>511218982
why do you think there is a huge embargo on little cuba still after all those years? no socialist country is allowed to be successful because it would give some legitimacy to socialists in the west

>>511219216
>Trot/lolbert cope assertion based on nothing
war was central to nazi germany and the whole economy "worked" because it was a war economy backed by a gigantic hope of a better future

>>511219216
no longer*

>>511218945
>NS explicitly asserts the nobility of labour and the importance of treating the workers with due respect. It was called the German Worker's Party for a reason nigger.
nazi government gutted workers rights and wages moron. stop falling for 90 year old north korea tier propaganda

>>511218980
You notice how vague your arguments are? There were some Jews and Mao read a shit ton of stuff, that’s not even surprising. Global financial capital is Jewish. Nationalized communism is not.

Read a history book. The Soviets were not living in destitute poverty for the entirety of the duration of the country. This would make no fucking sense given their military capacity and support of the Chinese and other countries. The Soviet Union was dissolved illegally from the top down.

>>511219231
Because SRBMs were fairly cheap, and the USSR was in a cold war with the US.

>>511214884
thats why lend lease happened right?

>>511214705
>Gets mogged by Roach King Asmongold
>Seethes about blue Vtuber

>>511214400 (OP)
>itt
>unironic marxist defenders
>burgers kvetching about muh totalitarianisms
>fascism is when you want to genocide
what the fuck happened to this board man

>>511219301
>but muh war economy
Strange how you completely avoid the German economic miracle during the prewar period from 33-39
How convenient
>>511219360
Only from necessity during war. Not from 33-39

>>511219383
cold war ended long ago. i'm talking now. why not just lift all embargo and see how they do? because they're not allowed to succeed, it would show a socialist country could in fact work.

>>511219376
very true, nationalized communism and jewish minority rule are not compatible

>>511219488
Chkd
>what the fuck happened to this board man
Amerimutts

>>511219376
There is no such thing as nationalized communism, the entire basis for communism is a global workers revolution
>The Soviets were not living in destitute poverty for the entirety of the duration of the country
What re you talking about? There were literally famines where millions of people died because of communist grain policies, in Ukraine millions of people starved to death, they resorted to cannibalism on an industrial scale because communists fucked them over, there is no worse poverty than having millions starve to death, same thing happened in China by the way and also in Cambodia, seriously dude YOU need to read a book, scratch that you need a fucking library of books

>>511219621
>nationalized communism
stalism is that, hasan is a stalinist not a trotzkyite

>>511214400 (OP)
> I-it's because it's muh science
> Even though it failed every prediction of historical development
> It's absolutely not we hold institutional power, it's because we're big brains, chud
You can't win with these "people", just let it go.

>>511214463
jews push Marxism as it was created by a literal jew.

>>511218782
>Mussolini
He was a socialist before a fascist. He uses socialism to gain power.

>>511218945
Lol but they didn't... they had slaves. Your argument has fallen apart.

>>511219681
Hasan is a turkmutt halfwit and virtue signaling hypocrite engaging in performative marxoid chic.

>>511219216
The world “teamed up against fascism” when Hitler invaded their countries retard. They didn’t even actually, boots on the ground, fight the fascists until the Soviets had smashed the Nazis to pieces. 8/10 Nazis killed by Soviets. The Chinese aren’t communists but they can throw Jack Ma into prison and torture him with no repercussion. The Chinese control their finances not global Jews. The Chinese state has the final say in matters of economy. Sorry China doesn’t fit your archaic Jewish formalist definition.

>>511219516
>Strange how you completely avoid the German economic miracle during the prewar period from 33-39
>How convenient
wrong, the whole economy was being prepared for war. the industrial growth was designed for the incoming war. göring was preparing germany for a total war for the next few years. the whole thing was fueld by a huge hidden debt called Mefo bill that would be repaid through war victories.

>>511219806
>Lol but they didn't.
Incorrect
>they had slaves.
And? So did the USA. Japs were interned and compelled to work towards the war effort;

>>511219815
hes stalinist not a trotzkyite, he has a doctrine and preferences
max blumenthal is a wimpy trotzkyite hasan would put him against the wall by week three for leftwing deviation

>>511218456
This is some of the dumbest shit I've read in a long time, which goes a long way to proving your point, except you're not on the side you think you're on.

>>511214400 (OP)
>red/green alliance
Let me guess
You're an invader musloid in Norway citing a co-ethnic musloid spewing marxist anus leakage because you all have realized it is a suitable vehicle for infiltration, as well as subverting and destroying Infidels?

>>511219901
its speculative how well it would have worked longterm and at peace, you downplay the currency reform because you follow slave rules

>>511219681
Well thats one thing that was even more evil than what the jews were planning, Stalin was easily the most evil person in human history, Stalins reign of terror is pretty much the worst calamity that any people ever went through, if you're a stalinist you're supporter of industrial scale slavery and butchery beyond human comprehension, Stalin was a paranoid psychopath and even before getting involved in politics he was around organized crime, his profession was a bankrobber and a highwayman who took peoples money and murdered them, you might aswel idolize Jeffrey Dahmer

>>511219850
>The world “teamed up against fascism” when Hitler invaded their countries retard.
Mutt edumucation
The USSR invaded Poland at the same time retardo. Why did the "world" not team up against them hmm?
>. The Chinese control their finances not global Jews. The Chinese state has the final say in matters of economy
Based. Natsoc with Chinese Characteristics
Cope more leftoid vermin

>>511219621
Stalism. And nooooo the poor Kulaks. What will happen to the grain hoarders. The same shit should happen to rent seeking class and Jewish bankers. Russia is historically prone to famine that is history. Mao caused the famine, the Soviets warned him he had not reached the sufficient level of industrialization for collectivization.

>>511214651
Real fascism hasn't been tried before

>>511219557
Well they continued to have human rights violations as late as 2013, but you know I guess we could probably lift the embargo now. We did loosen it significantly already.

>>511215383
fascism is simply an alliance of military aristocracy and bourgeoisie. Why else would they unite in an alliance except for genocide

>>511214583
Only good tweet I've seen all year.

>>511219988
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills
the only way for those debt instruments to make sense was for germany to win wars.

>>511220031
trotzky was worse than stalin

>>511219901
>muh post war liberal boomer slop explanations
My shock
>>511219922
He's a fat turk that needs deported
>>511219934
Stunning rebuttal from little america

>>511220031
Doesn’t like Stalin. You’re just a fag man. Being a bank robber just makes him cooler.

>>511214400 (OP)
>Marxism is sensible
Read any book about a Marxist state (and its eventual collapse) and you'll see it's retards making retarded decisions.

>>511219806
Ofcourse he did, he took the good parts about socialism and implemented them to his own ideology but unfortunately the good parts are maybe 10% of what socialism is about, the rest is either drug induced utopianism or jewish cultural stuff that seeks to eradicate all cultures to make us all into a single blob, its legitimately some of the most disturbing stuff you can read anywhere, you have to have an incredibly dark psyche to come up with that stuff and the jews who did absolutely had that, they didn't belong in their host nations so they sought to completely destroy them and rob them of their identity

>>511217189
>the communists of Russia were zionists
USSR no, Russia yes, especially before the war, now to a lesser extent

>>511220111
oh yes because the usa is very concerned about regimes with human rights violations...lol. be real, they really dont care when it comes to regimes that serve their interests.

>>511219912
The Japanese were not slaves before ww2 broke out.
The nazis had slave labor to build their infrastructure, and then shipped most of them labor off to be culled or removed.

Workers rights doesn't call for slavery. Your argument is retarded anon.
Also, the nazis and Italians told people where and what they had to work on or be imprisoned. Wtf kinda workers rights is that?

>>511220237
>murderous thievery is cool
Commies are criminal vermin confirmed

>>511220308
>jewish cultural stuff that seeks to eradicate all cultures to make us all into a single blob
>da joo
Opinions are invalid from here on out.

>>511214463
marxist was made up to convince people to be used for those in power, ever since the russian revolution before 1940 to kill off the last russian nobility from paper press company jews
and feminists jews

>>511220206
I disagree the war not its loss devalued them. Now do the USD, as said its speculative but I'm interested in the game theory of a bottom up distributed currency minting.

>>511220337
Okay I'll agree with that. And that is wrong of us. But we do have some serious main character syndrome, and large scale open military conflict is definitely not fun.

>>511220342
>The Japanese were not slaves before ww2 broke out.
Irrelevant. In any case - prison labour also existed pre-war aka slavery. What of it?
>The nazis had slave labor to build their infrastructure
Utter nonsense
>Workers rights doesn't call for slavery
Nice strawman nigger
>Also, the nazis and Italians told people where and what they had to work on or be imprisoned.
Read a book retard

>>511220342
soviet gulags, the US had jim crow, britain colonies
all sides had some form of forced labor

>>511214400 (OP)
Retarded platitudes worshiped by room temperature IQ queers.

>>511220206
>the only way for those debt instruments to make sense was for germany to win wars.
You mean that it's NOT in a nation's economic self interest go lose a war? Woah no way!
Fucking imbecile.

>>511220212
I dont think so, he was undoubtedly evil but nobody surpasses good old Joseph Stalin, he even talked about it openly how millions of people losing their lives is just a statistic to him, no emotion involved whatsoever, thats a legit psychopath
>>511220237
Being a criminal is cool only to antisocial retards, if you were travelling in rural russia and got robbed and murdered by Stalin you wouldn't think it was cool, modern equivalent of what Stalin and his gang were doing would be something like smaller mexican drug cartels. Mussolini got rid of organized crime, Stalin was the organized crime

>>511220219
>My shock
i'm not saying an autocracy couldn't work as a system to manage a country. we have examples right now showing it can like the UAE. fascism is a dead ideology anyway where the valorization of war is central to its existence.

>>511220219
>Stunning rebuttal from little america
A Brit calling anyone "little America" is perfectly on brand with the way you're going to be honest.

>>511214400 (OP)
Problem is those who pretend to be Marxist are cultural Marxist, they never read Marx or they would be opposed to immigration.

>>511220682
Do you actually think the UAE is a good place to live?
It's shiny I'll give you that. Shiny like poop covered in gold.

>>511220619
trotzky was too instable and destructive to win, this only confirms who was worse

>>511220737
Capitalism has been circling the drain ever since shareholder primacy took the lead in corporate governance desu.

I don't even need to check the metrics to know they all started nosediving around the late eighties.

The capital owners have started a zero-sum game while convincing everyone there isn't a zero-sum game. Game's about over now. It didn't go well. Or rather, it went exactly how you should expect a looting spree to go.

>>511220606
the whole nazi economy prior to ww2 worked because war was its ultimate goal. that type of economy wouldn't work waging war, sorry to burst your little bubble of the "nazi miracle"

>>511220400
Checked, you know Karl Marx himself talked about the jewish question and he wasn't too off the mark on a lot of it, its just that his solutions were beyond horrific

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jewish_Question

>Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew – not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering.

>>511220682
fascism was just a monarchy rebrand because we have to relitigate the french revolution over and over
and over until technology ends the cycle entrenching monarchy again

>>511220882
>nazi economy
The Nazi economy can hardly be called an economy. It was more fraud than legit traffic frankly.

>>511220804
>Do you actually think the UAE is a good place to live?
no but plenty of people are happily trading their freedom for security and no taxes. and many 3rd worlders are ok to slave there despite the working conditions because they still earn money.

>>511220960
how was it more of a fraud than the current everything bubble?

>>511214400 (OP)
>production
The industrial revolution and central banking are the problem and neither are inherently capitalist.

he's so fucking retarded and he's not even half as retarded as the average american

>>511221006
Yeah, I don't know what other zoomers call that today, perhaps they call it another Tuesday, but personally I call that dystopia.

>>511221032
Fraud is quite rare now. If you're talking about state debt, that's not the same. Debt financing is completely normal for a large org like a government. A cashflow that complex has patches that need bridging.

Back in the Nazi era they barely did any real governance at all really. Most of it was a quick cashgrab by a powerful few, snatching and looting public resources or stolen private property. All their grand "public projects" operated on non-existing budgets. All their books were cooked. Like to the order of missing several financial years worth of information by the end of their run. The Volkswagen project is a big example, one of the bigger causes for bankrupting Germany's economy with a fake project delivering falsely reported revenues. Meanwhile it was putting 9-digit sized holes in their balance sheets which they just never bothered to report.

>>511214400 (OP)
Marxism is an ideology of the 19th century. People keep talking shit about it like it was just conceptualized as an idea 2 years ago. In the 19th century it absolutely made sense because most of Europe was killing each other over its nobles, while being blessed in fratricide by their local priests. It's obvious Marxism can't work in the 21st century the way it was conceptualized in the 19th, but there's charitable parts of it that would absolutely help the working class specifically, starting with proper compensation for work. Unlike what the faggot immigrant-loving amalgam of Western "socialists" preach, Marxism enforces national economies and no Marxist country allows massive immigration. Massive immigration happens only in capitalist countries because capitalism requires cheap labor.

>>511221162
your own government has laws that bar you from education and hiring because you resemble the people who build and fought for the country too much

UAE is less dysttopian

>>511214400 (OP)
These threads are proof that 70+% of /pol/ is brown now. No white man would support this commie turk.

>>511221208
Like the whole reason Germany needed war, wasn't cause war gave Germany's industry a market to produce for. It was because they could loot other countries and use those stolen resources to patch the colossal holes in Germany's own administration before anyone found out.

Their gameplan was to just stay ahead of the revelation by always patching up their indiscretions with fresh loot. Which became a problem when they ran out of targets.

>>511214463
lol fascism is being treated for the past 80 years the way Marxism was being treated for the past 100. It's just that you have some tranny bbc abortion lovers with a mental illness who want free gibs.

>>511214884
Proletarian movements are always run by men who want to replace the ones on top with themselves, not a newer more equal system.
Equality is how they sell it to the followers they later kill once they seized power.
Fidel Castro was a very rich man when he died.
This is his grandson https://www.wlrn.org/news/2019-01-05/grandson-of-fidel-castro-shares-his-life-of-luxury-aboard-yachts-and-more-on-instagram

>>511221208
this critique is speculative and one sided we do not know how it would have worked out, we really do not know
soviet union, modern US, modern china, nazi germany

rank by how much of a fraud and fake accounting they were and are

>>511214705
can you kill yourself, mohammed?

>>511221162
desu i would consider living there if it wasn't in a complete shithole desert with awful climate. imagine the same type of country with 0 tax but in europe. i would certainly consider it, at least of a while. but ultimately it's just another mirage. a successful country can't work without taxes. in the uae it's only possible because of oil.

>>511220889
Yes he did ask the question because jew hating was the thing to do for a really long time. Pushed mostly by a real globohomo entity, the catholic church.

>>511221330
>Which became a problem when they ran out of targets.
Honestly this is sort of a microcosm for fascists in general.

Their whole shtick is that they require a bogeyman to rally against. An authoritarian cannot exist without an enemy to target.
The problem with this, is that enemies eventually run out, and you need to come up with new ones.

Once the enemies are gone, the fascist outlives their usefulness, and they're very aware of it.

>>511221460
Why are you so concerned with having zero tax? Aren't you supposed to be a marxist?

>>511221208
You don't really need as much of a "book" in a planned national socialist economy as there's not too many variances. Whenever you remove the individualist ape decision making, everything is streamlined, including keeping the books running properly. See China. Either way, Germany's fiscal books were cooked in Versailles, not by Hitler.

>>511221344
Checked, marxism was not treated with the same ire as fascism at any point, they were operating relatively freely in american/western academia even during the cold war, meanwhile fascism/national socialism is and was seen as ontological evil in an almost religious manner

>>511214400 (OP)
there are no fascists and no communinsts in USA. only grifters and mental cases. everything being fake slop is the essence of capitalism.

>>511221527
>Germany's fiscal books were cooked in Versailles, not by Hitler
False.

Poor decisions in Versailles aside, the rampant fiscal fraud by the Nazi regime is well known, established, and adjudicated extensively for obvious reasons.

If you're going to deny facts that have been well established for 70 years because the numbers you cooked up in your head look better than the ones actually on paper, we've hit a dead end in this conversation.

>>511221460
Tax is not a problem whenever there is a local dispensation of its utilization and there is in-group homogeneity across most human variances. If you pay tax for someone named like you, who looks like you, whose children are like yours, with the same cultural, ethnic, religious and other backgrounds, while they simultaneously pay the same for you, it is not a problem.

>>511221208
>End laws against fraud
>See, there's no more fraud
There's still fraud, anon.
Never confuse what's legal with what's right.

The looting part is correct but every revolutionary movement does just that. Then the real killing starts until a semi benevolent tyrant manages to take charge or pockets form by groups with the ability to self organize (see the notgeld in Germany).
The reason migrants are being moved to villages is to prevent the latter.

>>511220682
>i'm not saying an autocracy couldn't work as a system to manage a country
Youre not saying anything except the usual postwar boomer propaganda justifying alliance with murderous bolshevism to wreck Evropa
>>511220685
Cope
>>511220882
Rubbish

>>511221479
Ask yourself why it was like that? Everyone was just bigoted for thousands of years everywhere? Give me a break

>>511221639
I haven't made anything up. It is crystal clear Hitler solved unemployment through the war industry and agriculture. That's why he catered to workers and peasants. Was his Germany run in a fiscally sound way, especially by today's standards? Obviously not. What I implied in my post is that he had much more leverage over fixing a situation that in the present-day is unfixable, whether due to politics or social unrest.

>>511221418
No that's our job

>>511221619
Deep dish is good

>>511221524
i'm not a marxist but i would genuinely be very interested to see new countries emerge with different ideologies and see how they compare. imagine if we do tabula rasa and divide a territory into several countries with different governance systems. some authoritarians, some libertarians, some socialists, etc. people from around the world could emigrate to those countries. i'm not necesarily pro a particular ideology, that's why i genuinely want to see how cuba would do without the embargo.

>>511221837
case in point.

>>511221882
north korea, cuba and venezuela exist

>>511221783
>solved unemployment through the war industry and agriculture
He solved unemployment by offering Germans a dollar in compensation after taking two from them.

His grand projects were hoaxes. "Funded" by revenue that didn't exist, supplemented clandestinely with public funds they plainly stole, leaving holes that had to be patched up by raiding other countries, all to give some Germans a bunch of occupational therapy with a fake job making products sold for a fraction of what they themselves were putting in through public funds.
It was all optics no substance. As bread and circus as it gets.

>>511221755
Because there was a massive Jewish diaspora into Europe. And poeple up until probably the 1800s were still really tribalistic.

It's not a hard concept to understand.

>>511220960
>It was more fraud than legit traffic frankly.
Moronic assertion based on vagaries that can be applied to all economies including our own
>>511221208
Unalloyed post war adhoc neolib zogmutt drivel

>>511221882
you're definitely a college student

>>511214400 (OP)
Go away to suck dan's cock like you always do roachsanabi

>>511221961
and those countries can't normally function because of the embargoes... duh.

>>511221976
Like the equivalent now would be if Trump "solved unemployment" by investing $100k/y in public funds, per worker, into a bunch of factories making products that he'd secretly end up dumping in a landfill, just to give those workers the impression they're doing something.
It's a goddamn financial arterial bleed.

>>511214884
system was deadly afraid of fascists1919-1945 but after Nazi Germany collapsed fascists became weaker and counterrevolution became unlikely. but recently with weimar degeneracy reaching boiling point you openly see billionaires like soros fund socialists, to stop white people trying to escape the "diversity"

>>511214705
Only if you are either a commie or a goatfucker (or both like him and most of his audience)

hmm >>511222222

>>511221509
Everything you post is boomer regime goyslop

>>511222216
indeed, they literally teamed up with communists to defeat fascism

>>511222149
Define "normally" because North Korea was never going to function "normally".

>>511221980
Its not only in Europe, there are texts from Egypt in 1200 BC about jewish subversion and expulsions because of various seditions/rebellions throughout Egypt caused by jews
>And poeple up until probably the 1800s were still really tribalistic.'
People are tribalistic now aswel, there is a harward study about unconcious bias towards your own race and every group has that, if you aren't tribalistic to a degree you aren't human, we are communal mammals and hardwired to take the side of our own group, it requires insane amounts of brainwashing to even try to override that, tribalism is almost as natural as drinking water

>>511222277
I wouldn't have thought that the idea that an operation should produce more money than it costs to be profitable, is "goyslop." You've set a very low bar on financial literacy before your conspiracy reflexes kick in.

>>511222149
why do communist countries require access to capitalism to work?

korea has access to china

>>511222469
>You've set a very low bar on financial literacy before your conspiracy reflexes kick in.
Strange. I majored in economics.

>>511222301
NK is obviously a shithole but by "normally" i mean able to just import and export goods and services, set their own prices, which they're forbidden to do and obviously hurt their economy.

>>511222625
You should ask a refund.

>>511222469
most public spending is debt, and forward running
especially for infrastructure

>>511222663
You should go back to watching the discovery channel. More your speed.

>>511222673
But an actual industrial venture should be profitable otherwise it's going to be a huge moneysink. Much like the Reich's projects.
They're not forward running shit there. Well on paper they said they were. But then it turned out they didn't and they'd secretly been bleeding a huge share of Germany's budget and were very broke. Hence the fraud, with the writing other numbers than they were supposed to write down.

>>511214400 (OP)
Marxism is jewish. Fascism is Aryan. That is why the jewish system punishes Fascists.

>>511214651
Jewish marxists HAVE to lie to keep up their charade about the war

>>511222812
>But an actual industrial venture should be profitable
amortization

>>511214705
Is Hasan still cowaring in fear that Sam Hyde is going to kill him?

>>511222574
that's why "capitalism" and "communism" are kinda bad terms to explain things. Singapore is considered a successful capitalist country and yet there are state-owned enterprises.

>>511222336
We are a global species now. We will be stepping on each other's toes whether you like it or not, and we are very conscious to "others" coming and going, we know people who don't look like 'us' can be different, but why make it difficult all of a sudden? If we know these things.

>>511222812
>an actual industrial venture should be profitable
A leftoid libshit inured to the neoliberal capitalist assertion that profit is essential - even by an explicitly non profit entity such as the national government
Peak midwit

>>511223027
Singapore is unironically governed by a fascist party

>>511223046
>that profit is essential
For a commercial venture? Yeah. It is. Fucking hell you're an econ major?

Do you know what the budget for this company is? This is the make or break shit that broke the Reich. It's a bit too expensive and elaborate to pour the country's wallet into just to give some talentless nationalists something to kill the boredom.

>>511214400 (OP)
Murder marxists
Murder bolsheviks

>>511223197
>For a commercial venture?
Illiterate too I see
The government is not a commercial venture

>>511215531
This genocide obsession Marxist sympathizers have is the strangest projection. You just assume hierarchy requires genocide because Marxism can only survive by constantly killing off the least productive parts of society until nothing is left.

>>511214463
It's not that I'm afraid of you, it's that you've just announced your intention to commit racist murders. which is common these days but not something you do where your employer can hear.

>>511223309
But the Reich did squander the public funds on dead end commercial ventures, which they tried to cover up by cooking the books, which only caused the damage to compound.

They tried to stay ahead of the scam, but ran out of road.

>>511223191
authoritarianism is not fascism.

>>511223333
you literally see posts calling for genocide of even brown eyed people here every day, who do you think you are fooling?

>>511223366
>But the Reich did squander the public funds on dead end commercial ventures
So did the capitalist West
As for commies - well that describes their entire system - one huge failed monopoly
>>511223383
Nice strawman nigger

>>511223431
We've literally seen mainstream outlets calling for White genocide every day for the last 10 years, who do you think you are fooling?
It only quietened down post 7/10. What a cohencidence.

>>511223525
>Nice strawman nigger
it's not a strawman, not my fault if you don't understand the difference between the two. those words have distinct definitions

>>511214991
I know it's a simplification, but if you were to look at a political compass fascism is neatly in the center. It is a melding of socialism and capitalism by melding the state with corporatism. Definitionally, it is not extreme.

Fascism is just state owned economy with state owned media and no freedom of expression.

>>511214400 (OP)
Hasan is right I always believe the opposite what /pol/ says. Marxism is it.

>>511214400 (OP)
Rome was fascist.

>>511223719
Lol. Lmao.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party

>>511223046
we really do not know how nazi germany would have run in peacetime and longterm
even if he correctly and in good faith points out structural faults or inefficiencies we can only speculate
most economies do and did run on debt, future expectations are normal how they tallied against the benefits over time is hard to say

it seems bad faith if we compare it to modern china or wallstreet, nothing works without what he would describe as "fraud"

nazi germany was an industrial juggernaut, it did work extremely well and trying to deny it is pure ideological revisionism
its peter zeihan and jared diamond coded to say national socialism does not work

hint rhineland capitalism worked in postwar germany too and the difference to national socialism is not that extreme
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_market_economy

he is doing the communist tactic of deconstruction a relentless one sided attack, ayn rand tried to create objectivism to counter it without invoking tradition, ethnos or christ (she failed)

he has not proffered how nazi germany stacks up against the fraud of the everything bubble in the US, the british empire which had the highest GPD in the world but hardy any state income or the chinese realestate market all of which might provide structural positive trade offs

>>511215356
You don't even know what nationalism is. Nationalism is the belief that the state should support the nation, ei the people, not the other way around. A nation is a collection of ethnically homogeneous people, not the state that rules them.

>>511214400 (OP)
Does he know...?

>>511214400 (OP)
How does this midwit have a platform? I fucking hate nepobabies. Marx is only taken seriously as a sociologist not an economist, the people who turned Marxism into an economic structure was Trotsky and Lenin. If you can say fascism is a suicidal movement you could say the exact same thing of 'orthodox' Marxists like Lenin because they all end up doing 'socialism in one state' which is identical to 'national socialism' it literally means the exact same thing the only distinction is purely aesthetic. Stalin was literally called 'the father of nations'.

>>511214705
Who?

>>511223946
...Is this supposed to make me hate Marx because that sounds based as fuck

>>511223871
10/10 post Hans. Entirely correct.

>>511223937
Nationalism is a belief in being exceptional by virtue of your nationality.

E.g. you're born American, as such, you have a "genetic" superiority over everyone else, without doing anything special, just by having your passport.

If you've ever achieved anything you should be offended by cracked out skinheads trying to claim credit for your work cause "you're in it together"

>>511224074
It's meant to inform you that Marx was a racial realist, which meant he thought races weren't equal and some were inferior to others.

>>511223994
>How does this midwit have a platform?
twitch allows communist and camwhores for the underage but not fascist as political streamers, the commies win out against the liberals in open debate

>>511214400 (OP)
One day your whole gay lineage will be dead, OP.

>>511217747
Fascist and communist thought are the same in principle differing only on their stances around race and merit

>>511223994
>they all end up doing 'socialism in one state' which is identical to 'national socialism'
Incorrect
SIOS was murderous despotism and tyranny
Natsoc was benign dictatorship - imperfect but VASTLY superior to stalinism by every metric

>>511219850
Jesus fuck you're an actual child lmao

>>511214400 (OP)
>Fascism
I don't care what non-Whites think about the only political ideology that has ever stopped our genetic enemies, the jews. He's ONLY relevant because his fat beta-male uncle is on TYT.

Marxism is fucking retarded.
>t. former Marxist

>>511224217
>Nationalism is a belief in being exceptional by virtue of your nationality.
You truly are an imbecile
>>511224404
You too

>>511214705
Influencer with no influence. Also clearly not worth listening to, as he doesn't even understand the words he uses.

>>511223839
yes, it's a center-right authoritarianism, not far-right. there's still a welfare state (which means, some socialist ideals embedded to it) otherwise it would collapse. every successful country is a mixed economy, and state-owned entreprises can work (people always say that state-owned enterprises are communist and can't work, singapore proves it can).

>>511214705
Hasan doesnt influence anyone other than a bunch of 13yo halfwits on twitch. What real world politics has this moron ever "influenced?"

>>511223994
This is partly a myth... Marx tried to make economics an objective science of sorts, but evidently failed since economics is still considered a social science.

However, back in his day economics was still rather a new field, and it was bound more to moral philosophy than anything else. Like how a worker and farm owner should treat each other, or the purpose of labor theory of value, is rent just, or unjust, these were the questions asked by the likes of Ricardo and Smith, and then marx himself.

>>511214705
That nobody is a fucking turkroach nobody who was afraid to fight a fat comedian slob of a man. Cuck some more.

>>511224844
HAAAASAN PIKER!

>>511224635
>there's still a welfare state
Most fascists support the welfare state model you fucking dunce
>every successful country is a mixed economy, and state-owned entreprises
Fascism supports a mixed economy, and state-owned entreprises you moron
You know less than nothing
Lee Kuan Yew supported eugenics, the death penalty, corporal punishment and was avoedly anti-communist
Lee Kuan Yew acknowledged that the Flash and Circle was adopted from the British Union of Fascists, but that the colors where changed to better represent the PAP

>>511225005
avowedly*

with nazi germany the only interesting parts to me are the currency system and the anti feminist reforms
germany under hitler had the highest birthrate in western europe going up from below replacement within 5 years

I checked britain, 100% female literacy didn't crater the birthrate but she lost replacement the moment women entered the universities.

Nazi germany installed a 10% quota cap on female higher education and profession bans on medicine and law.
Iran, North Korea and even the gulf states show that no matter how poor or how conservative you are if you don't lock female higher education your civilization diminishes until it dies.

The great power who is able to end female anti social behavior (voting and higher education) first will own the next century.
Its china, not russia, not europe, not the US.

The exception is Israel but she has inbred haredi retards who have 6-8 children each that is not an asset but compounds their problems, those guys throw stone at women if they walk down the wrong street.

>>511223340
moralizing garbage slop
you're ultimately marching in line with the system and thats why you have the same values

>>511223946
based marx

>>511225704
>your civilization diminishes until it dies.
it doesn't though. less people doesn't mean your civilization is dying, it's only a problem because our economic system requires constant growth and the pension system is a kind of a ponzi. there's also a point where people would start making children again because there's a cultural shift in values.