Thread 511316097

People keep telling me QE is permanent. That AI will automate away inefficiencies.
That there won’t be another financial “reset.”

But QE isn’t innovation, it’s emergency stimulus on repeat.
AI may boost productivity, but it can’t fix systemic debt.
Efficiency doesn’t eliminate fragility. It concentrates it. Will we see a financial nuke-event before 2030?

>>511316097 (OP)
What happened in 2008? I was too busy being successful to notice all the bread lines, starvation, and people jumping out of windows and shit.

>>511316097 (OP)
TWO WEEKS

>>511316249
>missed the opportunity to buy in at the bargain bin prices
>still posts on an incel neet forum 20 years later
>too busy being successful
jfc
>>511316097 (OP)
None of the underlying issues have been fixed since then, the crisis is only continuing. It may seem like things are great on the surface because some meme stocks are going up and GDP number go up but that's because of out of control QE, which results in liquidity pouring into speculative unproductive sectors and leads to trickle down effect where we now see housing and food hyperinflating.

>>511316725
Agree, but how long are we going to kick the can down the street? Its been 17 years since 08 (when capitalism died) and we went into super turbo mega clown world overdrive.

>>511316097 (OP)
The 2008 crash never went away….this country has been raped by the kikes and the only way it can be fixed is by giga Hitler 2.0

>>511316725
> gloating
... will not help the generation that grew up since then and cannot afford a home or the insane rent due to the inflated housing prices.

Nah bro everything to the MOOON there will nrver again be a crash just ignore that we are approaching the end of a global debt cycle.

>>511316986
They will keep kicking it down until it all disintegrates. The bureaucrat apparatus is too big and completely paralyzed to do anything because they feel comfy with the current setup: get a big salary, pension, insider trading tips and all you have to do is fly (on a private jet, mind you, because rubbing elbows with working peasants is just too much) to conferences on troon issues every 2 weeks.

>>511316725
Relax sempa
What's the worse that will happen?
Shit is untimely going to fail. But with modern day initiative that can "off-set lose" into the void, collapse is 100's of years into the future.
I've been on this earth for 56yrs *Nothing ever happens*
America is set, it's got nothing to worry about, unless "lesser" nations can find a way to destabilize America(Israel) nothing with happen 98% of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-r-V0uK4u0

>>511316097 (OP)
QE is theft
Reverse Repos, theft
CDOs, fraud
all of these mechanisms are done because the original methods of theft arent thefty enough at times

>>511316249
bread lines became snap you faggot

>retards don't understand what QE even is
It ended three years ago and thus caused inflation, but none of you fucking retards understands monetary theory because you're niggers and monkeys.

>>511316986
>Agree, but how long are we going to kick the can down the street?
Trump keeps talking about running for another term
the only way this happens really is that by his efforts, the corporations of the united states are destroyed (if you understand the fraud of 1871 or the fact that it was The City of London who both fomented and won the US Civil War, they began planning it the moment Jackson destroyed the second bank of the united states, its why the war of 1812 happened and why basically all the corporate law on the books was penned in between 1812-1865)
which necessarily means the federal reserve is eaten by the treasury
the world will see unprecedented prosperity if those things come to pass
still looks like quite a long shot from here tho

The housing market might fluctuate a little but there is too much demand and not enough supply for housing for it to collapse, boomers and corporations and even foreign entities much more use real estate now as a store of value or investment, they used the cheap prices from the 2008 crash to buy up the market. So that $20k shitbox house in town that was available in 2011 is now $150k with not much improvement. The average house in the US is now $400k, the average American is not your average buyer. Its boomers, foreigners, corporations.

>>511317878
Since 2020, the US has printed (M2 supply) nearly 80% of ALL US Dollars in circulation.

To put that in perspective, at the start of 2020 we had ~$4 trillion in circulation.

Now, there is nearly $19 TRILLION in circulation, a 375% jump in 3 years.

>>511319855
this is true, but it wasnt "QE" per se

For normal people 2008 was not a big deal, just one recession among many. This is gaslighting or you were one of the greedy midwits that got caught with your hand in a cookie jar. Normal people did not feel this shit.

This is how the holocaust came about btw: repeating a lie until it becomes true.

>>511316097 (OP)
Anon, I...

>>511316097 (OP)
We are on the brink of a global sovereign debt crisis.

>>511316097 (OP)
>08 financial collapse
This generation will face something that will make the financial crisis seem like good times.
>Remember when they were giving niggers and white trash brand new homes for no money down and bad credit history.
It wasn't a collapse
It was planned

>08
>financial crash
Oh god. That was nothing, OP.

>>511316097 (OP)
yes
probably in september or october of this year

>>511321049
>Normal people did not feel this shit.
fuck you dude, my retirement savings was chopping in fucking half

>>511316097 (OP)
How it works is there is a financial system centred around the USA... we could say it's the financial aspect of the US Empire. Whatever happens with QE, inflation, or whatever, does matter so long as the US Empire remains dominant in the world, because they can always manipulate things to allow the system to continue to run. The next trick they pull out of the bag may not be QE, it may be something else, but they will continue to pull tricks out of the bag so long as they are world dominant. You might think China or someone is eager to blow up the system, but they really aren't. The system provides benefit to almost all countries around the world, they just have to submit to a level of US control. Most countries in the world like this system. But, yeah, eventually it's going to fall apart, but probably not for hundreds of years. Also, we need to realise that the "tricks" that they pull out of the bag can sometimes include things that really hurt ordinary people, like the covid lockdowns, or really jacking up the cost of living with inflation and shit like that. So, they will employ significant "financial repression" if they need to to maintain the system.

>>511323487
Did it chop in half or not? You’re a liar and a jew

>>511324236
oh NO i made a mispeling
fag
anyone who owns a talmud should be thrown from a high building into a pile of manure

>>511321049
It caused a huge spike in oil prices. So great, in fact, that they were food riots in Africa lol. It sounds like you were probably a dumb kid when this happened.
It single handedly ensured most boomers would never retire and stay in the workforce well into the 2020s. It's also screwed most millennials coming into the workforce. It also contributed to a huge boost in military recruitment. So much so that the Pentagon was actually trying to find ways to cut manpower years later.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, but no, you're wrong. It primarily wiped out the lower and middle classes, they had to eat the inflation and the decrease in living standards.

>>511326886
they also dumped rates to nothing and caused housing prices to skyrocket because the banks are all about
>well how much CAN YOU PAY

Yes

>>511316097 (OP)
I miss Ken so much.. my number one boy.
Fuck Shiv.

>>511327090
Yea and when they finally normalized rates again, housing prices never returned to pre-2008 prices.

>>511316097 (OP)
Economics is a religion.

>>511316097 (OP)
Anon what's coming will make 08 look like a joke. It'll plunge the country into 10 year if not longer age of insane poverty

>>511318341
>So that $20k shitbox house in town that was available in 2011 is now $150k with not much improvement.
My boomer uncle bought a house near swamp back in the late 1970s for around $50k. He fixed it up a bit, but largely it was the classic 1950s ranch home type
Last year he sold it for $1.2 million, cause over the swamp you could see a river and that counted it as waterfront.
Hilarious part is he used the money to buy a gaudy McMansion and go on cruises for half the year, while my cousin is renting some shitty two-bedroom apartment and unable to save up for a down payment.
They're both asses, so I'm just laughing, but still pretty fucked.

>>511321049
>For normal people 2008 was not a big deal, just one recession among many
LMAO says the fucking leaf.
It fucking gutted a lot of lower and middle class families, and kneecapped a large part of the millennial workforce that just graduated college. We are still feeling and seeing the ramifications of that crisis even today, and has probably even trickled down to zoomers too in a domino effect
tldr: you're brown and retarded

we need more Indians

Things are worse now than in 08

>>511316097 (OP)
It's inevitable. The next one will dwarf 2008 too.

>>511317691
>bread lines became snap you faggot
Yes, without SNAP there would have been massive bread lines like in the 1930s.
In fact SNAP is why we still don't have bread lines today, since for most people the economy never recovered after 2008.

>>511316097 (OP)
they will always choose to print money.

they will never choose to default.

they will always want lower interest rates.

inflation to the MOON!!!!!

>>511336891
look, I can't afford groceries, but I'm NOT eating Indians

>>511326886
>also contributed to a huge boost in military recruitment
this has been my suspicion from the start. the USA has been filled with fatties since the 90s because the Pentagon wants as many potential soldiers as possible. being fat means you can recover from injuries more quickly. add in the "desperation" factor and offer guaranteed paychecks and you're ready to march into China and force them to accept buttsecks and tiny hats.
Pentagon has been planning out some kind of all-out war for 40 years now and we are pretty much all set up for it, just need to motivate the masses and NEVER let them organize, notice patterns or communicate with the "enemy" (china).
I'd say 5 minutes in the social media algosphere is evidence that Pentagon wants nobody to trust anything but the dollar and they have those dollars waiting for anyone who's ready to soak up drone bombs.
I wonder what program China has going on for its golem cattle? I feel like they have the exact same plan but their people are smaller and won't be able to soak up as many bullets.

>>511321049
>For normal people 2008 was not a big deal, just one recession among many. This is gaslighting or you were one of the greedy midwits that got caught with your hand in a cookie jar. Normal people did not feel this shit.
You Canadians didn't have a banking crisis in 2008 like we did because you hadn't yet repealed your version of the Glass-Steagal legislation from the Great Depression, which was put in place to prevent such financial meltdowns.
A Canadian's memory of the 2008 crash will of course be different from an American's because your country was relatively unaffected.

>>511316097 (OP)
don't worry anon the wealth will trickle down any day now
everything is fine
you're fine
life is fine

Invariably, yes.
It will be SO much worse than the first time. The US has been kicking the financial disaster down the road for decades and 08 would have been minor if would have just let them fail.
Instead the middle class picked up the tab and got fucked.

>>511316097 (OP)
>Will we ever witness another 08 financial crash?

Right now we have a creeping debt exhaustion depression.

>>511316725
I mean I hope we all make it and neet it up and dab on normie wagecucks. Or be in business for themselves, or politicians.....that would be peak fucking clownworld. The turboautist /pol/ party.

I dont know. What i do know is that most walmarts stopped being 24 hours.

99% of AI innovation is being applied to marketing, advertising and vacuous consumer products, so unless this changes and the market moves significantly towards things that actually improve human well-being and real productivity like healthcare, construction, manufacturing, environment, etc. the debt will continue to spiral and your life will continue to worsen

>>511323698
>How it works is there is a financial system centred around the USA... we could say it's the financial aspect of the US Empire. Whatever happens with QE, inflation, or whatever, does matter so long as the US Empire remains dominant in the world, because they can always manipulate things to allow the system to continue to run. The next trick they pull out of the bag may not be QE, it may be something else, but they will continue to pull tricks out of the bag so long as they are world dominant. You might think China or someone is eager to blow up the system, but they really aren't. The system provides benefit to almost all countries around the world, they just have to submit to a level of US control. Most countries in the world like this system. But, yeah, eventually it's going to fall apart, but probably not for hundreds of years. Also, we need to realise that the "tricks" that they pull out of the bag can sometimes include things that really hurt ordinary people, like the covid lockdowns, or really jacking up the cost of living with inflation and shit like that. So, they will employ significant "financial repression" if they need to to maintain the system.
This is the truth.
And yes, this system could continue for centuries.
Some say the US is the new Roman Empire. If that's true, then we have centuries to go.
And for those who don't know, the Roman Empire probably sucked for most ordinary people. The early Republic, before the Republic became a kleptocracy in its later years, was probably much better to live in.

>>511317878
No....covid caused inflation as the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY came to a standstill. That was the largest transfer of wealth in history.

>>511316097 (OP)
maybe. who knows.
people romanticize the GFC nowadays for the sole reason that everything recovered quickly and the world has entered a unprecedented global boom period afterwards.
real trouble would come from a "crash" which also would shift base lines as much so a recovery to previous standards will become unobtainable.
that's the real "fun", i guess...
>>511316249
you weren't even born yet in 2008

>>511316097 (OP)

The scam can continue as long as population growth can continue at a massive scale. This is why it is fundamentally important for ZOG to import unlimited browns and blacks. The scam is built on easy access to credit. Remember mortgage-backed securities? There are similar things for auto loans. Or equipment loans. Even retail credit. They even get AAA ratings (lmao). But as long as new creditors are pouring into the country it’s ok. That’s why neither republicans nor democrats are ever going to actually do anything about mass immigration. Trump will do it legally, the democrats illegally. The entire ZOG financial system is built on Ramdeep Sukhardt taking out loans.

>>511316097 (OP)
do you actually believe homes made of cardboard and sawdust made with unskilled illegal alien labor will forever go up in value?

>>511326886
Yeah I was one of those in the military .....non stop eggshell walking. I retired but bro it sucked as that and like merchant marines was the only way out of wagecuck hell. Whenever I hear a boomer say shit like "ya got time to lean ya got time to clean" I wanna slap the stupid out of them.

>>511316097 (OP)
yes shiller pe (go look it up)
crash incomming tech bubble scale dumb money that went in since 'iberation day; is gone but it should wipe out 30-40% and the market will take years to recover (if it ever does, it took Japans markets that peaked in the 80s decades to reach the same levels again). I'm expecting an inndrest rate cut which will cause the final run up before it collapses. Get your money out now becaus eyou won't be able to time this and its not a dip to buy into either for at least 18 months after the initial sell off.

>>511340374
They have so far, haven't they?

>>511339345
Bro it nuked circuit city, k-mart, AND Sears. It was bad.

>>511340927
Oh yeah, that. I'm shocked JC Penny is still in business.

>>511340113
That means end game level bullshit. Either were gonna have some peter thiel fagocracy or some brown collapsed brazil with BRICS becoming a heavy hitter

Entire global system is founded on debt.
Continued infinite issuance of debt note fiat currency from central banks, along with debt creation/issuance by national-regional-local banking systems results in the entire system being dependent on this continued expansion in order to keep from instant implosion. It is incapable of going in the opposite direction.

Problem is, massive giga-issuance of debt note fiat currency, which globally is dependent upon a single default reserve denomination USD, means that the debt has to continue to be bought. Because the currencies from central banks, are based on / backed by nothing but debt.
It's a debt-based economic model.

Someone-some thing must buy the debt. No one wants to buy the debt, any more
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690

>>511341132
The USA? Stagflation like Japan from the crash in the 80s through to the 2000s and a 200% debt to GDP ratio

>>511341055
Well tripfag if you see best buy and hobbylobby go under its 2008 again. So many other things vanished overnight....what I wouldnt give for tcby yogurt or fucking fazolis......nigga kenny rogers roasters.

>>511341415
No Japan was never THE SYSTEM. We will actually still be wayyyyy better off than the rest of the world but the entire turd world is gonna go fucking madmax

>>511316097 (OP)
There is crash coming, only a bumpy ride into the new system. With that said:

The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>511316097 (OP)
No cause you'll be priced out of the economy by then. The trick to inflation and shitflation and shrinkflation and everything else is to make goyim so fucking broke that they either don't notice the crash or actually see it as a good thing cause it will nullify their debts.

>>511341818
>hobby lobby
Oh hell naw! Where can I get cheap gunpla?

Most people still believe in the current system, even though they might not be fully supportive of everything the government is doing, but it doesn't matter if they disagree on some issues because ultimately they all depend on the current order and the new order that is coming for their handouts (pensions, salaries, dividends, investments, etc.).
The current system could be easily stretched for another 70 years but it won't because the powers that be have a new one which will operate in parallel starting this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational all over the world.

All this new system needs to succeed is to be slightly better than the current, which is not very hard by the way, so it will be tremendous success and the people will embrace it just as they have always done throughout history.

>>511342084
You will soon get a stake in the new economy and then you will have almost zero reasons to destroy the system, kill jews, kill politicians or any other such fantasies you currently have. Not only that, but once everybody else get their stake as well, they will turn against you even faster and harder than they did during the COVID hoax if you were to attack it or cause any kind of disturbance really. All the surveillance infrastructure(including almost 8 billion people who will be part of that surveillance infrastructure) will make sure that you are well behaved.

>>511316097 (OP)
god damn i hope so. This economy is a clown economy. OF whores (male and female) bragging about the mansions they bought thanks to all the simps paying for subscriptions. I want to see those simps lose their jobs. I want to those same whores on the street giving blowies for 5 dollars. Those whores are subhuman and deserve to be treated as such

>>511338159
At least in 08 if you had a job (most did) you still made livable fucking money. This shit is garbage. I make over $40 and I am STRAPPED

>>511341818
Fazolis is still around in like 200 cities kek. Just as shitty as ever. I love it.

>>511343563
I was making around $11/hr in 2008.

>>511321300
checked, correct

And this is a rubicon never-before-seen brink.
Never in human history has the entire world ~150 nations been dependent upon 1 single default reserve currency denomination

the USD has declined 11 percent since Jan 2025
worst year in five decades for this denomination

>>511316097 (OP)
Another one? Bro we still are in the 08 crisis, we never recovered from it.
And even if we call it the 08 crisis, it actually started before, so much that the FED broke the thermometer by ceasing to publish official M3 monetary aggregate numbers in 2006.

>>511316097 (OP)
USA is 37T in debt and adds 2T every year to that. There is no QE in the world that can save us from a financial meltdown or it's war equivalent.

>>511316097 (OP)
Gen x here, fyi the crass the economy every 8 to 10 years.. like clockwork. It forces people to empty their savings. Dirty jew trick. Went through 88/98/08/etc etc.. same shit every 10-ish years. They’ve been getting greedy and making it less time. I still haven’t recovered from 2008.

>>511336816
>kneecapped a large part of the millennial workforce that just graduated college.
Soon after 2008, the H1B pajeet flood began in IT and many companies quit paying for college/training.
You could use an IT associate's degree to earn enough to make a living and springboard into a bachelor's and career prior to that.

>>511342928
Vaush:
>maga americans want the economy to be worse because that would make it easier for them to rape women
You're proving him right.