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Whatever you believe (everyone believes) it is worth.
We could be looking at the final 'big squeeze' before confidence in the global debt aka bond market totally implodes
>>520497491
>capitalism
Ended permanently died and went to heaven in 2008.
After that it's been 24-7 continuous QE for every HNW entity, asset market and sovereign govs all the time everywhere, Europe U.S. and elsewhere
Global debt is now over $340 trillion
Whatever this is rn in 2025, it's not 'capitalism'
>capitalism
Ended permanently died and went to heaven in 2008.
After that it's been 24-7 continuous QE for every HNW entity, asset market and sovereign govs all the time everywhere, Europe U.S. and elsewhere
Global debt is now over $340 trillion
Whatever this is rn in 2025, it's not 'capitalism'
>>518824217
>AI is
the final juice-hogging >>518750378 of the asset classes prior to imminent total collapse of the global debt market.
21st century tulip
The last short squeeze in other words
before the entire structural foundation is pulled out from under
>AI is
the final juice-hogging >>518750378 of the asset classes prior to imminent total collapse of the global debt market.
21st century tulip
The last short squeeze in other words
before the entire structural foundation is pulled out from under
>who is the richest of them all
Neither of them are 'rich' <--nor is any billionaire.
It's all leverage, of speculative debt instruments.
That's what hedge funds are about
Neither of them are 'rich' <--nor is any billionaire.
It's all leverage, of speculative debt instruments.
That's what hedge funds are about
>>516075095
Switzerland anon knows
Switzerland anon knows
>America
problem with /pol/tards like OP is everything is always viewed through the social, culture (race, hate) lens, eager to point the finger, crack some heads
Degeneracy of society is downstream from economics and finance; we're talking broadly and over long-decades-term timeframe.
It took most of a century from Bretton Woods 1944 for all of us (not just/solely/merely America) globally to get where we are rn
problem with /pol/tards like OP is everything is always viewed through the social, culture (race, hate) lens, eager to point the finger, crack some heads
Degeneracy of society is downstream from economics and finance; we're talking broadly and over long-decades-term timeframe.
It took most of a century from Bretton Woods 1944 for all of us (not just/solely/merely America) globally to get where we are rn
>>515013867
>That cellphone
It's not about *the device* at all. (Yes obviously: the phone is a marvel of miniaturized electronics, materials and manufacturing)
>infrastructure
YES, correct. It's about the network. Do you think Zuck or anyone at Apple gaf about their device(s)? It's about subscribers/new slaves. That's why they 'invent' the shiny toy.
Agreed that some parts of the network are useful, able to be utilized by knowledgable and alert users. That's not the point of having the network (particularly post-2008, when 'smartphones' became the primary access device, and after which people such as Musk want to replace that with a brain chip). It's all about the networks. Networks of *centralization and control* that's why they exist. (Look in contrast and for example at the computer industry, Silicon Valley as it existe in Gen 1 back in the 1970s and 80s, compared to currently)
>financial systems
Again we can derail the topic but in archive.4plebs there are plenty of prior discussions.
It's a Debt-Based Economic Model globally. That's what all of us not only subsist in but are up against. Central banks are only part (maybe ? the biggest most influential one) of the overall problem. It's a Financialized, global debt-based system that uses a single denomination of debt-note fiat currency as its 'fix'. And the "tech" industry—additionally—piggybacks on, and also seeks to reinforce, this Financialized debt-based global centralized system of control.
>That cellphone
It's not about *the device* at all. (Yes obviously: the phone is a marvel of miniaturized electronics, materials and manufacturing)
>infrastructure
YES, correct. It's about the network. Do you think Zuck or anyone at Apple gaf about their device(s)? It's about subscribers/new slaves. That's why they 'invent' the shiny toy.
Agreed that some parts of the network are useful, able to be utilized by knowledgable and alert users. That's not the point of having the network (particularly post-2008, when 'smartphones' became the primary access device, and after which people such as Musk want to replace that with a brain chip). It's all about the networks. Networks of *centralization and control* that's why they exist. (Look in contrast and for example at the computer industry, Silicon Valley as it existe in Gen 1 back in the 1970s and 80s, compared to currently)
>financial systems
Again we can derail the topic but in archive.4plebs there are plenty of prior discussions.
It's a Debt-Based Economic Model globally. That's what all of us not only subsist in but are up against. Central banks are only part (maybe ? the biggest most influential one) of the overall problem. It's a Financialized, global debt-based system that uses a single denomination of debt-note fiat currency as its 'fix'. And the "tech" industry—additionally—piggybacks on, and also seeks to reinforce, this Financialized debt-based global centralized system of control.
>>514177329
>dollar collapses, the entire west collapses
It's really about the global debt market.
Entire world depends on USD denomination as global default reserve, that means not just dollars but treasuries.
Global bond market has been more volatile and unstable in past 3 years than in half a century, and we have increased global debt to over $330 trillion—a magnitude increase of one-third since the preceding decade. Someone-something has to buy the debt
This system is coming to an end, fast.
When the bond market goes, so goes everything
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
>dollar collapses, the entire west collapses
It's really about the global debt market.
Entire world depends on USD denomination as global default reserve, that means not just dollars but treasuries.
Global bond market has been more volatile and unstable in past 3 years than in half a century, and we have increased global debt to over $330 trillion—a magnitude increase of one-third since the preceding decade. Someone-something has to buy the debt
This system is coming to an end, fast.
When the bond market goes, so goes everything
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
(not solely the U.S.)
Global economy is a debt-based economic model.
Founded on and supported, propped up entirely by debt
Global economy is a debt-based economic model.
Founded on and supported, propped up entirely by debt
>>513808915
>le print
All currency "printed" into existence by central banks, has a collateral (i.e. it doesn't just 'exist' magically out of thin air/on computer screen):
The nation's sovereign treasury simultaneously issues a *bond* for each unit of debt note fiat currency 'created' or 'printed'.
That's why it's called debt note fiat currency. It's backed by nothing but debt. Entire global system post-1944 Bretton Woods is a Debt-Based Economic Model.
Right now August 2025 nobody wants to buy the debt
see post # 513808888 upthread ^^^
>le print
All currency "printed" into existence by central banks, has a collateral (i.e. it doesn't just 'exist' magically out of thin air/on computer screen):
The nation's sovereign treasury simultaneously issues a *bond* for each unit of debt note fiat currency 'created' or 'printed'.
That's why it's called debt note fiat currency. It's backed by nothing but debt. Entire global system post-1944 Bretton Woods is a Debt-Based Economic Model.
Right now August 2025 nobody wants to buy the debt
see post # 513808888 upthread ^^^
the word credit is from Latin
>credere = to believe
>credere = to believe
>>513340128
The global economy is a Debt-Based Economic Model, entire substance and foundation of it is all debt and credit expansion.
the word credit comes from Latin
>credere = to believe
Current system can only go forward, not in reverse
It requires constant, infinite expansion of debt (and credit) in order to keep from imploding
The global economy is a Debt-Based Economic Model, entire substance and foundation of it is all debt and credit expansion.
the word credit comes from Latin
>credere = to believe
Current system can only go forward, not in reverse
It requires constant, infinite expansion of debt (and credit) in order to keep from imploding
>>513269824
RE: housing, most people are trapped with 'Golden Handcuffs'
Prices have skyrocketed over the past 7 years nationwide, in addition to the rate hikes 3 years ago, meaning that even well-employed 2-income families with mortgages or full ownership of medium priced homes can simply not afford to leave the houses they purchased over the past decade. Selling their house would mean a substantial downgrade to a different price bracket, or that they would have unaffordable mortgage payments.
Everyone is imprisoned by debt, it's a Debt-Based Economic Model.
RE: housing, most people are trapped with 'Golden Handcuffs'
Prices have skyrocketed over the past 7 years nationwide, in addition to the rate hikes 3 years ago, meaning that even well-employed 2-income families with mortgages or full ownership of medium priced homes can simply not afford to leave the houses they purchased over the past decade. Selling their house would mean a substantial downgrade to a different price bracket, or that they would have unaffordable mortgage payments.
Everyone is imprisoned by debt, it's a Debt-Based Economic Model.
>>513267608
>monopolized
That's not what the posts in this thread are about.
Just saying that "a top elite monopolizes everything / controls it all" (weak historical metaphors)
does not describe what is going on in 21st century.
Never has the entire world been dependent upon a single currency denomination, in a globally Debt-Based Economic Model.
This has never existed in human history, any where.
The global debt market right now, in mid-2025, is on brink of collapse. Bond market since the late 2010s has been more volatile and unstable than in half a century.
Bonds aren't supposed to whipsaw up-and-down like crypto or stocks, they need and are supposed to remain stable (because they are the vast underpinning foundation of the whole system.
Nobody is buying the debt, rn. Bonds need to be bought they can't go unsold, it's the lifeblood and central pillar of the whole system globally.
What happens when we can't sell our debt?
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Learn something. Watch, study the documentary films and references posted here itt and in archive.4plebs
>monopolized
That's not what the posts in this thread are about.
Just saying that "a top elite monopolizes everything / controls it all" (weak historical metaphors)
does not describe what is going on in 21st century.
Never has the entire world been dependent upon a single currency denomination, in a globally Debt-Based Economic Model.
This has never existed in human history, any where.
The global debt market right now, in mid-2025, is on brink of collapse. Bond market since the late 2010s has been more volatile and unstable than in half a century.
Bonds aren't supposed to whipsaw up-and-down like crypto or stocks, they need and are supposed to remain stable (because they are the vast underpinning foundation of the whole system.
Nobody is buying the debt, rn. Bonds need to be bought they can't go unsold, it's the lifeblood and central pillar of the whole system globally.
What happens when we can't sell our debt?
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Learn something. Watch, study the documentary films and references posted here itt and in archive.4plebs
>>512982104
>consoom
Yes but again, you're commenting on the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities in which most 95+% of the populace subsists. (Yes absolutely correct, the elevated prime rate has kaboshed residential home sales recently and also consumer spending overall on which most of the Real Economy is reliant)
'Killing the dollar' has to do with the meta-macro factors and trends mentioned in my posts ^^^
There's an entire post-1970s Financialized global economy which is where over 90 percent of the world's wealth is *segregated entirely* from the Real Economy, a huge portion of these HNW entities are the ones that determine what direction the bond market goes (and consequently 'fate of the dollar' etc.)
IOW it's not consumer spending or even real estate that's going to "tank the dollar" or even the economy overall. It's the global bond market
>>512982140
>Fake IOUs
I'm sure that'll work out fine for all the nations that have to make their sovereign debt payments in USD
>consoom
Yes but again, you're commenting on the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities in which most 95+% of the populace subsists. (Yes absolutely correct, the elevated prime rate has kaboshed residential home sales recently and also consumer spending overall on which most of the Real Economy is reliant)
'Killing the dollar' has to do with the meta-macro factors and trends mentioned in my posts ^^^
There's an entire post-1970s Financialized global economy which is where over 90 percent of the world's wealth is *segregated entirely* from the Real Economy, a huge portion of these HNW entities are the ones that determine what direction the bond market goes (and consequently 'fate of the dollar' etc.)
IOW it's not consumer spending or even real estate that's going to "tank the dollar" or even the economy overall. It's the global bond market
>>512982140
>Fake IOUs
I'm sure that'll work out fine for all the nations that have to make their sovereign debt payments in USD
Entire global system is founded on debt.
Continued infinite issuance of debt note fiat currency from central banks, along with debt creation/issuance by national-regional-local banking systems results in the entire system being dependent on this continued expansion in order to keep from instant implosion. It is incapable of going in the opposite direction.
Problem is, massive giga-issuance of debt note fiat currency, which globally is dependent upon a single default reserve denomination USD, means that the debt has to continue to be bought. Because the currencies from central banks, are based on / backed by nothing but debt.
It's a debt-based economic model.
Someone-some thing must buy the debt. No one wants to buy the debt, any more
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Continued infinite issuance of debt note fiat currency from central banks, along with debt creation/issuance by national-regional-local banking systems results in the entire system being dependent on this continued expansion in order to keep from instant implosion. It is incapable of going in the opposite direction.
Problem is, massive giga-issuance of debt note fiat currency, which globally is dependent upon a single default reserve denomination USD, means that the debt has to continue to be bought. Because the currencies from central banks, are based on / backed by nothing but debt.
It's a debt-based economic model.
Someone-some thing must buy the debt. No one wants to buy the debt, any more
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
>>511062767
>happening
What is right now, is collapse of the global debt market.
Nobody wants to buy the debt
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Somebody *must* buy the debt, or the system instantaneously implodes
>happening
What is right now, is collapse of the global debt market.
Nobody wants to buy the debt
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Somebody *must* buy the debt, or the system instantaneously implodes
>>511000392
This.
This.
>>509831473
>'this point'
What point?
Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $307 trillion in 2023, more than three time the amount of all global economic output. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past thirty years has eclipsed that of the past several centuries of Western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but on the expectation that they will refinance.
It is a global Debt-Based Economic Model
founded on nothing but Debt
That has never existed before: (previous empires had currency systems that backed themselves, not debt note fiat currency as we all have post-1960s)
Global situation 21st century is totally unprecedented.
Prescient December 2019 video panel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q
*Never before in human history* has the entire world been dependent on a single denomination of currency for all transactions as the default : USD
This isn't merely or solely about the U.S./its empire, it is about the entire world which is wholly dependent upon a single denomination as the default reserve currency (that is a debt note fiat currency) unit
No one wants to buy the debt, any more
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Unprecedented
no one/nothing has been here before, and no one knows (not even top experts, though several of them agree on imminent consequences) what is going to happen
>'this point'
What point?
Global debt topped $255 trillion in 2019 and $307 trillion in 2023, more than three time the amount of all global economic output. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past thirty years has eclipsed that of the past several centuries of Western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but on the expectation that they will refinance.
It is a global Debt-Based Economic Model
founded on nothing but Debt
That has never existed before: (previous empires had currency systems that backed themselves, not debt note fiat currency as we all have post-1960s)
Global situation 21st century is totally unprecedented.
Prescient December 2019 video panel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHQaxd5N-Q
*Never before in human history* has the entire world been dependent on a single denomination of currency for all transactions as the default : USD
This isn't merely or solely about the U.S./its empire, it is about the entire world which is wholly dependent upon a single denomination as the default reserve currency (that is a debt note fiat currency) unit
No one wants to buy the debt, any more
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
Unprecedented
no one/nothing has been here before, and no one knows (not even top experts, though several of them agree on imminent consequences) what is going to happen
>>509633895
>to continue this indefinitely
(We could make this into a finance thread, but...) Global bond market is on brink of collapse.
There isn't any more 'continue indefinitely', the Brick Wall is rapidly approaching for the post-1970s Financialized global economy and its primary fuel, debt note fiat currency (from private central banks)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
the Debt *must* be bought
that is what the system is founded upon, Debt.
>to continue this indefinitely
(We could make this into a finance thread, but...) Global bond market is on brink of collapse.
There isn't any more 'continue indefinitely', the Brick Wall is rapidly approaching for the post-1970s Financialized global economy and its primary fuel, debt note fiat currency (from private central banks)
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
the Debt *must* be bought
that is what the system is founded upon, Debt.
>>509083927
>There must be buyers of new debt
This leaf gets it, only one itt that understands
Global debt market is on brink of implosion (has been for years, they just can no longer hide it)
Nobody wants to buy the debt
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
>There must be buyers of new debt
This leaf gets it, only one itt that understands
Global debt market is on brink of implosion (has been for years, they just can no longer hide it)
Nobody wants to buy the debt
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690
>>507872430
>>507867298
Debt has to be bought.
No one is buying rn
When the entire global system is totally founded upon Debt, the lack of confidence in and demand for it is a grave problem. Continued confidence in the bond market is required in order for the central banks' "fiat system" to remain solvent.
When the debt (bond) market goes, it all does. Instantaneous Mad Max
and we've never been closer to that, than rn
>>507867298
Debt has to be bought.
No one is buying rn
When the entire global system is totally founded upon Debt, the lack of confidence in and demand for it is a grave problem. Continued confidence in the bond market is required in order for the central banks' "fiat system" to remain solvent.
When the debt (bond) market goes, it all does. Instantaneous Mad Max
and we've never been closer to that, than rn
>>507693948
>There is no political solution
Truth.
Global bond market will be the arbiter.
Even if a thermonuclear war kicks off before the end of this month, that's not going to be the 'final determinant'.
>There is no political solution
Truth.
Global bond market will be the arbiter.
Even if a thermonuclear war kicks off before the end of this month, that's not going to be the 'final determinant'.