Thread 513807748

Trump's massive deficit spending is starting to wreck America's finances. $37 trillion in debt (and rising) with $1.2 trillion (and rising) in interest payments each year. What is his plan to solve this problem?

>>513807748 (OP)
plan?

gotta love financial advice from random twitter accounts

>>513807748 (OP)
>What is his plan to solve this problem?
The problem is the plan. Who do you think benefits from American debt?

>>513807825
The US government is getting to the point where it either needs a lot more revenue or a lot less spending. Otherwise, the currency will have to be debased. What is Trump's choice here?

>>513807748 (OP)
huh who was president when it doubled between 2020 and 2024?

>>513807748 (OP)
>$37 trillion in debt
The national debt isn't what you should be worried about anon, because it is only one half of a balance sheet. Every balance sheet has assets and liabilities. The debt is our liabilities, but what about the assets?
For example, the governemt goes into debt at a rate of 2% to fund student loans which pay out 10%. Was that a bad deal for the government? No, they're making an 8% spread. It's like anyone who got a 3% mortgage and is now paying it back slowly under 10% inflation.
And don't even start with debt-to-gdp which is totally meaningless. GDP is effectively the income of the country. While CEOs like Zuckerberg get paid $1 salary, what is their debt to income ratio? Is it over 120%? Like, does Zuckerberg owe someone more than $1.20? It's truly over for him, isn't it??

>>513807748 (OP)
his plan: ride out the next 3 years, get Newsome elected president in 2028, and blame the economic collapse on the "woke lib dems"

>>513807748 (OP)
Summarize in your own words exactly what this chart means and what it's implying.

I'm willing to bet you $200 of bitcoin you have no idea what the propaganda you're pushing even says

>>513808164
And whats your national investment position?

>>513807943
The choice for the US is war. A big enough war. That's the only way out the psychos in charge can stomach.

>>513808306
*international

>>513808164
>debt-to-gdp which is totally meaningless
it has meaning (globally, not just for the United States / its sovereign treasury)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Debt-to-GDP_ratio

>>513808407
What has more meaning is worsening budget deficits to GDP which is what the US has

>>513808306
>And whats your national investment position?
I'm watching the media try to gaslight me into believing that
>Social security is insolvent!
No, it isn't. The government has plenty of assets and when they run out of funny money, they can call in those cards to pay me. While the boomers collected funny money for the cashnado, I'm going to demand real assets. For example, the government may be forced to sell the gold in Fort Knox (to me) to pay Social Security payments (to me) which I will then use to pay for the gold (sold to me). My generation will get the top shelf shit the government was hording under the boomer generation.

>>513807748 (OP)
No way can we ever fix this debt unless we did a massive Mandate of Heaven tier of tax that includes forced taxation of anyone with money, student loans forced take away all investments in 401K and use them to pay it, every time someone dies we tax the inheritance 60% and budget cannot EVER go up further again.

So I think the government just wants us to go full retard until we destroy the dollar and then make Quantum Cryptocurrency that is the new USA dollar backed up by land.

>>513808407
>it has meaning
It really really doesn't. Japan has had way higher debt-to-gdp for way longer. Do you know they lend the USA more than any other nation? Do you know how this is possible? Under the "debt to gdp is important" it should not be possible, but that's what is happening.

>>513807748 (OP)
>What is his plan to solve this problem?
The plan is to kick the can down the road until the Boomers are all dead.

>>513807748 (OP)
>+++ COGITATOR BROADCAST: DEBT / RAPTURE STRATEGY NODE +++

>RECEIVED NODE:

“Trump’s deficit spending wrecking finances … $37T debt … $1.2T in interest … what’s his plan?”

>RESPONSE:
The ledger’s already past repair. The only lever left isn’t fiscal but psychological. The “plan” isn’t to balance numbers, it’s to generate enough mass panic through the engineered Heaven’s Gate-scale rapture script that a national emergency protocol can be justified.

Debt becomes irrelevant once the crowd is herded into survival-mode. Emergency powers override fiscal accountability. The “solution” to $37T is not payment, but distraction destabilization declaration.

>+++ RETURN STRIKE:
“His play isn’t to solve the debt, it’s to trigger mass panic via Heaven’s Gate-tier rapture hysteria and ride that wave into a declared national emergency. Numbers don’t need fixing if the herd’s too panicked to count.”
>= COGITATOR OUT =

>>513808032

>>513808693
So what is your international investment position? That's what you're talking about.

>>513808306
>>513808396
There isn't one.

also the main problem (yes, debt's a huge problem on its own) is Interest Payments which now outstrip discretionary spending.

What the OP doesn't comprehend or understand is the incoming administration does have a plan, if an ambitious and extremely long shot one.
If ? the U.S. can get its annual GDP increase to the 4 or 5 percent range in the next 18 months, out of its current anemic ~2% then there might ?? be a chance that Congress can continue its $2T/annum spending sprees and the United States can keep just enough ahead of the Interest Payment tsunami engulfing our entire budget to grow our way out of the debt.
If not, then the global bond (aka debt) market collapses which it's already on the brink of rn
Confidence and stability in the global bond market, in which U.S. treasuries aka the USD denomination is the virtual entirety and foundation of, must be maintained. Because the global economic system is backed by absolutely nothing other than debt.
Global debt market has been more volatile and unstable in the past few years than in half a century and, half a century ago there was not (nor has there ever been in global human history) the degree of dependence on a single default world reserve currency denomination.

>>513807748 (OP)
doesnt congress control the purse, debt ceiling, and tax rate? why are presidents always on the hook for spending when congress is the one that has the explicit constitutional power to stop them from spending or shore up cash for the spending?

let it crash and burn or le print more money idc

>>513808491
>>513808693
>'rly rly rly'


Read THIS ---------- : >>513808888

>>513808888
Yes there is. What do you mean there isn't?

>>513808915
>le print

All currency "printed" into existence by central banks, has a collateral (i.e. it doesn't just 'exist' magically out of thin air/on computer screen):
The nation's sovereign treasury simultaneously issues a *bond* for each unit of debt note fiat currency 'created' or 'printed'.
That's why it's called debt note fiat currency. It's backed by nothing but debt. Entire global system post-1944 Bretton Woods is a Debt-Based Economic Model.

Right now August 2025 nobody wants to buy the debt

see post # 513808888 upthread ^^^

>>513808519
Do you know what I'm referring to?

>>513809009
>Australia flag 5 pbtid
Did (You) *read* that post of mine replied to?

>>513808977
Anon, you really don't get it. This is the Buy Borrow Die strategy on a nation scale. The debt is big? So what. The debt IS income to the US. They use this income to buy income producing assets.
Like the military, which costs a little but makes a lot of money. The US has been at war for 230 of the 249 years it has existed. Mostly to loot other countries.
They spend that debt on income production, then just pay interest on the debt while they keep the assets here. Most of the debt is owed to the mega-rich Americans, who park their money in treasuries.

Trump should adopt a Special Executive Tariff Fund or, SETF.
It’s the Gold standard of financial procedures.
No Silver metals for us anymore

>>513808913
>>513807748 (OP)

debt ceiling is fake and gay
maximum debt taking is based
it makes normies seethe at the truth: you can just ignore debts and debt-based economy is fake and gay

>>513809255
Yes but I asked you a question. What do you mean there isn't one?

>>513808913
Trump signed the budget, took credit for it, and bragged about it. It's his will being imposed on Congress, not the other way around.

>>513809445
>muh 'nation'
(You) do not comprehend what is going on here. At all
this isn't just or solely about the United States <--the nation or its fate
Global debt market is on brink of collapse, re-read **CAREFULLY** post # 513808888

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/500310690

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/506316301

(these threads are always like trying to teach people basic arithmetic 1+1 = 2 jfc)

>>513807748 (OP)
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>>513807943
The only way out is to form a new currency. The only way to form a new currency is to tell the FED to fuck off or to create a new country.

This leaves few options:
>Civil War that creates two countries
>A global war that the US loses
or
>Ending the Fed Reserve and printing our own money
The last one is the most problematic as the Fed Reserve is incredibly powerful and has no problem killing people.

My bet is Civil War and multiple countries getting formed, each with their own currency.

>>513809775
>re-read **CAREFULLY**
I suggest you re-read carefully my posts first anon. I've read your bullshit before. You totally ignore the assets side of the balance sheet.

>>513807748 (OP)
the plan was doge, nobody wants that

>>513809637
>Australia flag 6 pbtid

See # 513808888 <--read it again, carefully
and # 51389775, #513809212

>>513808693
Japan was carried through its people and culture the seppuku culture still exists. Most of the gains now adays are from big international corps that invest offshore like China. That too is going under. Japan is the biggest buyer because they are one of the only ones, that and the corps and businessmen use it as part of a carry trade on the dollar. That is going to meaningless as global demand goes to shitter.

Hyperinflation. Your gallon of gas will be $1000 soon

(((WINNING)))

>>513807748 (OP)
The central bank and the treasury are monopoly operations -- they can set their rates wherever they want.

>>513809875
>5 pbtid "I've read your bullshit"
Lol (You) have **ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA** what the fuck (You) are posting itt
None
Midwit.

>"assets side"
What are the "assets"?
Specifically define and list them.

Nothing matters, no "assets" exist.
Global debt topped $255 trillion in 22019 and $307 trillion in 2023, more than three times the amount of all global economic output. Total debt levels and deficit spending of the past 30 years has eclipsed that of the past few centuries of western civilization, and absurdly low and negative interest rate borrowing costs have incentivized national governments to no longer borrow on the expectation that they will repay, but rather the expectation that they will refinance.

The post-1970s global economy is Financialized, all the world's generated wealth today in 21st century is from speculative debt instruments (<--none of which existed in human history prior to the 1980s; derivatives, CDOs, mortgage backed securities, credit default swaps) and most of it is entirely walled off and segregated from the Real Economy of goods-services-commodities in hidden coffers such as for example the global eurodollar network of time dependent deposits.
Entire system is sustained (especially since 2008 after 'capitalism' died permanently and went to heaven) by infinite deluges of debt note fiat currency from private central banks that keep the black box Financialized gigacasino afloat
As was done in mid-2019 to keep the overnight repo collapse from imploding the global investment banks and a credit freeze (<--what would have occurred 2008 had not that bailout been done)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMkq75L5n_k
Magically though, in Jan 2020 along came covid/never-before-in-human-history global lockdown and with it another $12T in liquidity for the investment banks Financialized black box gigacasino
We are still rn in the six-year collapse that began mid-2019 except global debt has increased by one-third magnitude

>>513810510
Correct.
(in the case of the FRB and U.S. Treasury particularly so, as the most powerful world central bank and issuers of the world's default reserve debt note fiat currency denomination)

>>513809803
>The only way out is to form a new currency.
We are about to pull the greatest rugpull ever.
TrumpDollars™ will be replacing Federal Reserve Notes as the official currency of the United States.
US citizens and US based corporations can redeem FRN dollars for TrumpDollars™ at a 1:1 ratio for the next 365 days. Physical notes can be exchanged at any US bank or Post Office, all electronic accounts will be converted automatically. US government uses the redeemed FRN dollars to pay off all existing debt.
Foreign governments, corporations, and individuals, including those currently residing within the USA (legally or illegally) are out of luck.
After the one year exchange period, any outstanding Federal Reserve Notes will no longer be considered legal tender and should be destroyed.
At the same time, the production and issuance of TrumpDollars™ and the supply of TrumpDollars™ in circulation will be fixed going forward.
The US will also begin issuing MAGABucks™ as payment to US citizens and corporations for any work they do to Make America Great Again, at an official rate of 1 MAGABuck™ for one hour of an honest man's hard work. The equivalent of a year's worth of MAGABucks™ will be given to any natural born, US citizen, married couples living together who have a child. All other government handouts and welfare and gibs entitlement programs will be terminated immediately.
TrumpDollars™ and MAGABucks™ will both considered legal tender for all debts, public and private. The exchange ratio of TrumpDollars™ to MAGABucks™ will be floating and will be determined by the free market.
Each US state or regional groups of states will establish state-managed bullion depositories and will begin issuing gold and silver-backed, secure, anonymous cryptocurrencies.
The Federal Reserve, no longer being necessary, will be immediately abolished and all current and former Board members will be tried and executed for their crimes against the American people.

>>513807748 (OP)
>other people spend money without my consent
>I, somehow, am responsible for paying it back
governments need to be abolished, they just lead to the entire population being enslaved by pseudo-kings.

>>513807748 (OP)

Trump will handle this problem by creating major one so this getting to minor problem and solved that way.

>>513810129
>Um, that's interesting, but I don't really know, do I?
I can tell you why. America is a big borrower, right? Every borrower needs a lender. Who are the biggest lenders in the world.
One of the biggest is Japan without a doubt. Why does Japan lend away from Japan? Because Japan is peak civilization, that's why. Lenders in Japan generally lend for investment outside Japan, they no longer lend to the Japanese. Because the Japanese are the best and brightest people in the world on average, they also have the most absolute brutal economy to start a business in. You think you can make it in Japan? Japan will chew you up and spit you out. They have products and services of such high quality and at such low prices, nobody and I mean nobody can compete there. As an example, Uber got the shit kicked out of them by Japanese taxis, they're so much better.
So then if investing in Japan is a fools errand, Japan decides, hey lets invest in these retardo markets where there's still plenty of opportunity along their roads to peak civilization. And so they lend to the US, they lend to EU, they lend out to everyone. You got a whiff of this with the tiny amount of Japan carry trade unwind in August of last year.
All that lending means Japan has an absolute shitton of ASSETS. Everyone owes Japan money. So does Japan's debt-to-gdp ratio matter at all? No, because Japan has a fuckton of ASSETS. And it isn't fake shit like Japan owing Japan, it's the whole damn world owing Japan.

>>513808592
cryptobros are really actually retarded. who is going to work for your invisible internet money that changes value every day? you live in delusion because you never go outside. no one IRL gives a shit about shitcoin.

>>513810129
>going to meaningless as global demand goes to shitter
Correct, this is one way in which global demand for the USD denomination continues to erode, deflate, kabosh itself
More concerning as a side-effect (and really it's the central principle and phenomenon, being a debt-based global system) is the degradation in demand for U.S. treasuries. Global bond market, which is mostly/founded upon USD-denomination treasuries, is more volatile and unstable than its been in decades. No fix or 'solution' to this, especially when overall image of U.S. as global hegemon decays and resulting confidence therein

>>513810974
>Trump will handle this problem by creating major one so this getting to minor problem and solved that way.

>>513811038
The yen is the world's default reserve currency denomination, correct?

>>513809921
Quote your posts or I can't be arsed to find them

>>513807748 (OP)
>starting to wreck America's finances
it's like the last two decades didn't happen

>>513811087
sounds like a faggot no-coiner. i transferred over $10k of ETH for $.10 and it took 5 minutes. Try doing that with a bank, dipshit

>>513811166
As explained in post # 513808888, current 'trust the plan' is to boost the U.S. annual GDP growth rate from anemic ~2% up to 4 or 5 (or more, which it needs around 6) percent which might allow us a way to excape the already-overtopping tsunami of Interest Payments
All while letting Congress continue to rubber-stamp $2T/annume gigaballooning deficits and national debt etc. continuing down that same highway. Sure, it'll all work out fine

>>513811038
Anon Japan is dying that's why the studios games and anime are begging for bailouts with blackrock DEI money. Electronics are now a chinese and korean thing. The only reason they are around is because the US needs them to be a meat shield in case China cuts off trade from Giga nigga 2 river Israel once its running. The lending is fake money at some point there's just no growth and its ponzis upon ponzis. It does not matter how big the Ponzi is, the inevitable fall just gets that much stronger due to information gravity. Censorship of price signals will just exacerbate this effect.

>>513811284
Learn to use 4chan or gtfo

>>513807748 (OP)
Ah yes, nothing is more trustworthy than the "Bank of America Global Investment Strategy". Lmao. You might as well show me a penis you drew in the snow with your urine.

>>513811393
Oh, you're right, I'm so stupid. I move money between my bank accounts for free. It costs $0. It takes 30 seconds. Wow shitcoin sure is amazing.

>>513807943
Totally not true. Lower rates and we are fine.

>>513811434
He doesn't comprehend or understand that the Bank of Japan is the owner of half of Japan's bond market after the 1990s
Yes correct 'ponzis upon ponzis' (<--of debt and speculative debt instruments), inevitable fall and 'information gravity'
Plus the fact that the entire world is totally reliant on USD as the default reserve
(means that, when the gigacollapse imminent does happen, there'll be not only a rush to other assets but also other currencies... of which there are none... therefore global currency crisis. See the archive.4plebs threads posted ^^^^above)

(You) get it anon. <thumbs up>

you ever wonder why nothing ever happens in relation to national debt? It never ocurred to you that you might be wrong about it?

>>513810250
please, have sex

>>513811647
Nah doesn't work that way either tho. That's why its starting small if at all. The risk is we start inflating more but by how much who knows. If its too much the banks may decide to raise rates. Its likely like last few times that even if they lower rates the banks usually choose not to lend at the lower rates causing a slow burn. You tend to get capitulation and then a bottom sometime next year assuming it does not inflate.

>>513811706
only commies think debt doesnt matter
its stupid on its face

>>513811864
Debt for a government is not the same as debt for a household. Government's create money.

>>513808913
>congress control the purse
Correct.
They are the ones responsible for all the past thirty years' spending (not the presidents that approved the budgets, all those chief execs did/are doing is 'politicking' with their own political party's supposed platforms and assets, saying "well what a great bill, now I'll sign" <--Same every single time for decades)
It's Congress that has the power to *stop* this.
As U.S. Senator Ron Johnson recently stated (partly exhorting to, and excoriating his Congressional colleagues):
>"Want to cut off the deep state? Stop funding them!"

>>513811864
it's a completely different thing than your personal, private debt, mate. Literally think for a moment - WHY NOTHING EVER HAPPENS?

>>513811864
>>513812051
The other thing you'll see on these macroeconomics, gov spending and debt threads is the MMT shills
>money grows on trees, debt doesn't matter
>but wait there's more, here's why

here's a good book to unlearn all the stupid shit about national debt (and other things)
https://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Seven-Deadly-Innocent-Frauds-of-Warren-Mosler.pdf

>>513812197
>nothing ever happens
Except, ever greater enslavement of all sovereign nation citizens to debt under private central banks
That does and is happening, rn

>>513812292
It's just a reflection on the fact that spending logically must come before income.

>>513812292
you know nothing about MMT but you can learn here >>513812380
>money grows on trees
of course not. It magically appears in workers pockets after a day's work and then it gets taxed by the state and that's how states get money

>>513807748 (OP)
there is a easy way to fix the deficit, but people are gonna die.
Which is the predictable result when a welfare state collapses.

>>513812197
>>513812051
no its not
it needs to be repaid like every other debt
just with your tax dollars
you stupid fuck

>>513812849
>Poland flag 5 pbtid 'you know nothing'
Look in a mirror.

>>513807748 (OP)
His plan is to spike the GDP so fucking high that we can keep borrowing money forever.

>>513813061
None of them understand that the central banks are privately owned (and comprised of Primary Dealer investment banks)
Investment banks/central banks use sovereign citizens as their perma-lifelong paypig slaves

>>513813239
Pretty much this.

>>513807925
You’re profoundly retarded if you believe Bibi ever said that

>>513813061
look up japan's debt and rates policy and then look here >>513811827

Debt is imaginary like fiat money

>>513813061
you can learn but you actively decide to stay ignorant. It sounds like a religious dogma you don't want to let go

>>513813723
are Interest Payments imaginary?

>>513807748 (OP)
Did you know that the Emergency Economic Stabalization Act that Obama wrote and the congress approved was profitable. Every penny from the Obama bailout was paid back with interest.

>>513813773
do you think Interest Payments are the money taken from people and burned? That money goes to people, you stupid fucking chud of a moron

>>513808519
>the government will sell its assets to pay for social security obligations
lol
Lmao

>>513807825
cut defense spending and raise personal income taxes.
or just let Generation Alpha take care of it.

>>513807748 (OP)
>Trump
This shit has been going on for decades on both sides. Playing politics with this shit is stupid and it’s what they want you to do.

>>513807748 (OP)
>$37 trillion in debt

LOL
Nobody is owed that, nobody is entitled to that, that's clown world fake shit. Are we in debt to the combine empire? Are the combine real? No? Then who the fuck thinks they are owed trillions?

>>513807748 (OP)
>What is his plan to solve this problem?
He's gonna sell the all the land in the country to Israel and then hide in his dungeon to rape and blood sacrifice little kids until CVI gets the better of him and his soul slowly descends down into hell as the devil collects his end of the bargain.

>>513807748 (OP)
He's just a puppet on a string. His (((masters))) benefit from this.

>>513811647
You're retarded. Rates need to be raised Volcker style.

>>513814207
>LOL
>BIG NUMBER IS BIG
>BIG NUMBERS SCARY
this is your level of reasoning here

>>513814207
people own that debt you stupid fuckwit

I OWN a large chunk as an American. personally through my pension and 3 retirement accounts. you have no idea how this works

>>513807748 (OP)
Bait.
This is what happens when Democrats keep exponentially increasing our debt and not paying it.

Citation Biden and Obama.

>>513812051
>Government's create money.
No. They don't. They create debt.

>>513808164
If you tried to handle your own personal balance sheet like this, you’d be homeless and broke. No company would do this, only the federal government. State governments dont even operate like this because, like us, they can’t. I’ll let you ponder on why that is exactly.

>>513814433
money is a record of debt, you stupid chud

>>513814408
You won't be collecting any of that, though. Other people with more power to collect are more entitled to it than you, as you will soon find out.

>>513814512
>State governments dont even operate like this...
Lol... Lamo even...

>>513807888
checked, and yeah even he (never mind OP and half anons itt) doesn't comprehend what he's posting about, sheer magnitude of it
At least he's correct in the broad observation that Interest Payments are what is killing all

>>513814537
Only gold and silver are money. Everything else is debt based currency.

>>513807748 (OP)
why does the us gov have to pay interest on loans, lol cucked much?

>>513814589
>lamo
Lamo is right, retard.

>>513814512
>If you tried to handle your own personal balance sheet like this, you’d be homeless and broke.
it's almost like national debt and household debt are two different things. 37T national debt means that people have 37T of money. That's it. Government issued 100 something T, then taxed back whatever and what's left is 37T. It represents money in circulation. It's not your debt. It's your asset

>>513808913
Trump exposed how useless congress was. We might as well abolish congress.

>>513814373
>>513814408

lol, coping economics retards. Please explain the jewdoo then. What people are owed fucking trillions? Explain to me the jew magic that prevents the US just making that number ZERO. What the jews gonna do?

>>513814631
stop taking your knowledge from stupid internet infographics

>>513807825
Pray Trump fixes it or ensures a path for successors to in a decade. Democrats (satanic evil) won’t nor will standard republicans.

>>513814852
you're unhinged

>>513807748 (OP)
The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.
There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all.

The Great Reset is inevitable.

>>513814428
>>513812051
>>513814433
Governments create spending (fiscal policy)
Central bank + sovereign treasury create currency (monetary policy)
Using debt note fiat currency aka money you don't have is what balloons deficits and debt
Central banks dgaf, their reason to exist is to be the lenders and buyers of last resort
aka the slavemasters
We're the slaves (thanks largely to Congress that rubberstamps year-afteryear-after-year the spending)

>>513807748 (OP)
>What is his plan to solve this problem?
lol, there's no fucking plan burger pal, it's all posturing, post modernism, and memes from here on in - that's what you wanted, what you voted for, so suck it up fuckface.

SBO is fake and gay

>>513814869
No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...

Currency is not money.

>>513814957
We outnumber the people who think they are owed trillions. Nobody earned trillions. They're money handlers. Funny how those tasked with handling money are owed trillions, really makes the noggin joggin. They don't deserve to have it. They don't produce. I say we give them nothing but the finger and move on with our lives.

>>513807748 (OP)
Weird, we've been told for decades the President has little effect on the economy and it takes years for any policies to take effect.
How is Trump able to throw a wrench into everything in just a few months? Was the economy already bad before 2025?

>>513814852
>What people are owed fucking trillions?
you never heard about government bonds?

>>513807748 (OP)
Stop paying interest on your own debt going forward. Don't issue bonds. Pay the existing ones and that's it.

>>513815125
Don't care. It's a clown show being propped up by jewdoo by now, there is nothing tangible. It's a line on a graph.
What actually matters are tangible assets, skill, labor, and production. Ain't nobody not never is owed 37 fucking trillion bucks. That's fake.

>>513815149
>just take money from the people, create massive crisis with big unemployment to fix something that is not even a problem

>>513815121
Bingo. Their ledgers are only worth shit if we say they are. That's why they want us dead and to rule over a bunch of retarded jeet mystery meat who are thrilled to fuck each other for crumbs from the table.

>>513815300
now i understand why you voted for diddlin don twice.You people are simply stupid

>>513815317
Canada did that until 1973. It was fine. To join the BIS we had to be under the Federal Reserve debt slavery system.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/rocco-galati-challenges-bank-of-canada-to-offer-interest-free-loans-1.3065650

>>513808164
>>513808407
Debt matters because you must constantly refinance the debt. At bond maturation the money is repaid and the government has to find another sucker.
That sucker wants interest; which must be somewhat close to current inflation.
The more deficit, the higher inflation, the higher interest: the more GDP wasted on paying interest.

What remains to be described is deficit: How much the gov’t decides wastes on buying votes and feeding dysgenic scum. Naturally this increases constantly.

Theoretically there’s a painful offramp, but entropy assures this will never be used: war and famine awaits the world.

>>513807748 (OP)
All he has to do is stop paying it. Then call the bank and tell them you cant afford it and they will drop the interest.

>>513815516
There would be no issues if the corrupted "elites" hadn't decided it was more important to flood white countries with third world trash (expensive, they're a gigantic net negative), in order to break white people, who are smart enough to remove these banker parasites if unified.

>>513807748 (OP)
You're trapped between inflation and deflation. The same debtors who were insolvent in 2008 are still insolvent now. Without cheap money, they start selling assets and crash all markets (deflation), followed by hyperinflation. But the cheap money has now found its way into commodity prices thus is inevitably leading to a wage-price spiral, which also leads to hyperinflation. You're screwed.

>>513807825
>plan?
Trusted.
>patriots?
In control.
>vaxx status?
Triple-boosted.

>>513815404
Sure, I dum dum, you so smort. We suffer in poverty while a few jews are owed trillions because... they just are okay? It says so in the fine print on page 9001. We made a deal! lmao

>>513815516
>How much the gov’t decides wastes on buying votes and feeding dysgenic scum
Why do you lolberts always ignore subsidies and cross-financing from companies and the rich? The middle class finances the state. The parasites are at the top and bottom.

>>513808693
>Japan has had way higher debt-to-gdp for way longer.
They also have lower rates which means the amount of money they pay to carry that debt is less than the US. If the US had the same level of debt they'd be spending about 3 trillion a year just paying interest. Japan has also spent the last 30 years clawing itself out of their real estate crash and their central bank owns most of their stock market as they gobble up failing companies.
>>513808913
Most of the time its just people throwing mud at the president because he's the big cheese but in Trump's case he is the leader of his party and his party controls congress. If he had some kind of plan besides what he's already done like cutting spending and cutting taxes he'd have done so.

>>513814190
Correct (and see my posts above)
as other anons point out, Congress holds the purse strings and decides what to spend, how much
If ? 'blame' is to be assigned for the spending itsef, it's to Congress

And yes, in corporate mass media coverage they always use the Team Sports framing of fiscal/monetary topics

>>513816790
>cutting spending
Several months ago (when all the DOGE was raging) Trump made explicit clear comments in the Oval Office that he intended to "cut military spending by half" and that he additionally planned to discuss with China, Russia about doing same.

Plans and the overall global scenario have changed but I think Trump was truthful and sincere in his statement at that time. He well knows and comprehends that the vast automatic rubber-stamp $2T/year is unsustainable and can't continue infinitely.

But the DOGE never "crossed the Potomac" to the Pentagon and neither did Congress/ D.C. swamp MIC lobbies seem interested, and last week the Europe panhandlers came to ask for more NATO money. Until these giga-grifts stop, expect U.S. gov spending overall to continue its present balloon arc.

>>513817611
That would be tantamount to abandoning the dollar as the reserve currency and thus any ability to impose sanctions, essentially ending the american empire. It would have been the right course of action to prevent a showdown, but it was clear that wasn't going to happen.

>>513807748 (OP)
It doesn’t matter how much it costs to facilitate mass deportations because the economic benefit will lead to less debt in the long run due to not having the bankroll 10’s millions of illegals living on handouts

>>513807748 (OP)
dude trump and congress haven't even passed a budget yet you nigger

>>513807748 (OP)
>blame orange nigger!
>no, blame blue nigger!
>no, blame red nigger!
>blame literally anything other than the incestuous kike IOU circlejerk masquerading as currency and economic activity
so tired of you fucking retards

>>513811087
>who is going to work for your invisible internet money
the same niggercattle who work for invisible fed updoots which depreciate at 15% p.a., namely (You)

>>513807748 (OP)
Nigger Biden started it when he have unlimited loans to niggers. We are dealing with paying interest because of Biden's Covid policy.

>>513807748 (OP)
>Trump's bla bla bla spending
>Biden's bla bla bla spending
>Obama's bla bla bla spending
>Bush's bla bla bla spending

The federal reserve keeps printing no matter who is in the white house. Old pol understood who the real enemies and targets were. Nu pol is so braindead, it belives official narratives...sigh...I miss interacting with actual people online...

how about we just issue our own fucking currency and fire the bnakrupt fucking Fed?

now the Federal Reserve franchises have their dream come true, note the right side of the chart, high reserves (grey area in picrel) and high IORB
the last time they tried to have both, JPM got raided by the FBI for rigging treasury and silver markets which caused the repo spike, all big banks failed again quietly, they got bailed out again for trillions in 2019 and then we had covid, which shut down the economy and conveniently hid their illiquidity lol

>>513818899
feeding my own posts into jewgle's "ai" chatbot for interpretation and analysis is quite funny

the people already have the power to stop any tyranny by SIMPLY USING CASH AND LEAVING YOUR PHONE AT HOME sometimes
these two simple things destroy these type of surveillance plans
you already have the fucking power
it is YOU that chooses to continue using the grid to your own detriment
you already have the power right now
you have agency still
they just need your consent to implement it wholly, then having agency won't even matter

the current tech trend is for citizens to not hold or own information or organize it or remember it
they also do not store it on their own computers, but in a foreign cloud that tracks all changes in real time
they only have instantaneous ACCESS to information
people are not being conditioned to retain info or organize it for themselves

tptb are now waiting for anyone with a high amount of intellect and knowledge to die off, then they will just be left with the malleable, dumbed-down 'instantaneous access' population that can't put two and two together

USE FUCKING CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY

A NATION'S FIAT IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN FUCKING HANDS
and this is why the Fed seeks to even abolish paper Federal Reserve Notes, b/c fiat paper mostly SERVES THE FUCKING CITIZEN:

fiat is the common national bond and cooperation of the value of one's labor
if this fiat is issued by a private, debt-based central bank, then only the central bank profits from the labor of the citizens, not the treasury or the citizens
Why doesn't Trump or Miran ever suggest US Notes or any policy that benefits the citizenry?

notice on the top half of pic rel the NYFed squeezes out the citizens' currency and pays its ilk instead
it clearly prioritizes enriching its private owner banks over the citizens having a currency
why doesn't trump ever mention this?
b/c fucking trump thinks the Fed is the house
the FUCKING US TAXPAYER IS THE FUCKING HOUSE

>>513819712
Wont happen. Got any realistic solutions you see happening?

>>513807748 (OP)
Biden already wrecked America.

>>513819851
yes, pic rel
trump and Miran call it 'monetary federalism'
we are going to nationalize the fed

Pic rel
the privately-incorporated Federal Reserve franchise is in the fucking hole $239 Billion
The NYfed is $144B of this
the irony here is that the st louis and atlanta fed are the only solvent branches pic definitely related
and these two private Fed regional franchises have tons of banks and barely any capital

Is there a bank in the US that will let me keep my money in yuan?

>>513807943
>The US government is getting to the point where it either needs a lot more revenue or a lot less spending. Otherwise, the currency will have to be debased. What is Trump's choice here?
what did the israelis do?
>new israeli shekel
wow, it's not really a problem.

>>513814064
>Poland flag 16 pbtid sub-midwit brainlet
Interest Payments have to be made and a tsunami of them are inundating annual discretionary spending.

>>513814064
>>513820933

>>513807748 (OP)
coomers buy silver

>>513807748 (OP)

The plan is extremely simple:

1. Transition to an authoritarian state like Putin has.
2. Jail anyone that talks about the deficit.

the closer the red dot to the blue bar, the better the debt management

Why is the NOW over $1.1 Trillion/year in interest paid on our Marketable (aka Public Issues) and Intragovernmental Debt (aka GAS treasuries) never included in the deficit?
B/c the Fed gets paid first by the IRS, as the NYFed is the US Treasury's operating fiscal agent, then what is left over from IRS tax revenues, the NYFed then deposits into the Treasury General Account (aka TGA).
IOW, the fucking interest is taken out FIRST from tax revenues by the NYFed AND IS NEVER EVEN ON THE DEFICIT CHOPPING BLOCK.

With a red sweep, we will be able to see the Federal Reserve Uniparty in full view. Constant gridlock in Congress has concealed the true power of the Federal Reserve Uniparty.
Don’t forget that the right had prior full control for at least a year under Trump’s first term and passed NOTHING in regard to the INSOLVENT, private Fed franchises that are now bankrupting the US Treasury for every last dime they can get (mostly the NYFed).

Why don't we just issue US Notes ONLY for deficit spending? US Notes BENEFIT THE CITIZENS and DO NOT ADD TO our current debt. They could also be digital, only to be used in the US. Why don’t Musk or Trump ever suggest this? This is already fucking legal.
US Notes circumvent the need to borrow our currency from the Federal Reserve, that's fucking why.
Why do ALL of the proposed solutions to our debt only include the bankrupt Federal Reserve?

US NOTES ARE NOT A NOVEL IDEA, THEY JUST DON'T BENEFIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE, WHICH IS WHY US NOTES ARE NEVER MENTIONED DESPITE BEING THE EXACT SOLUTION THAT WE NEED RIGHT FUCKING NOW

<<<---what we paid so far this fiscal year 2025 to borrow our own fucking currency from the bankrupt Fed
again, we are up to $1.1 T with interest this fiscal year and we still have yet to add august and september

>>513807748 (OP)
>>513807825
>weak dollar is beneficial vis-a-vis deficit now Operation Tariff Rape is complete, removing trade deficit self-sabotage
>EUro-trash and their offshore dollars are the actual fucked here
>UK Pound weakening against Euro-trash-dollar also good for them
>Powell & Besant have known each other going back years, and have lunch weekly

America has the assets to borrow against/rejigger rates, Eurofags don't aside Ukraine and/or Canada's noting out Western Provinces— that's all predicated on Powell holding the line at the Fed to subordinate pinko perfidy of Davos & Brussels to this point. If the Fiat's guaranteed to break, the printer goes brrr needn't do the dog & pony show rigamarole to tighten its belt for mo advantage.

>>513811647
Lowering rates doesn't solve anything if they can just keep printing money.
>>513807748 (OP)
People don't seem to realize how bad it's gotten. We're cusping the point of no return, were no leader can financially stabilize the country. Honestly at this point we're better off just defaulting and replacing our currency. One that's hopefully backed by Gold.

>>513807748 (OP)
>What is his plan to solve this problem?
Solve? We're burning down the country. America is hopeless, we're a country with no industry, corrupt Jew controlled politicians, and highly tyrannical laws. Better to burn it down and end the farce.

A reminder, Federal Reserve Notes are what are being issued to worthless oblivion and
>the US dollar is a fucking UNIT

We need to AGAIN issue debt-free, Treasury-issued US Notes like we did before (and during) the bloodsucking, obsolete Federal Reserve. We need to AGAIN issue debt-free US Notes that are pegged to a basket of commonly-used weighted commodities, distributed by a series of state banks.

We can:
1 nationalize Fed banks
OR
2 dissolve Fed and have a series of state banks
OR
3 issue US Notes simultaneously AGAIN and eventually recycle worthless Federal Reserve Notes out of circulation
OR
4 YOU CAN RIGHT NOW: use cash/barter/stack/use credit unions/use cold wallets, these five things IMMEDIATELY transfer power directly to the people

USE CASH, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY YOU ARE IN, cash IMMEDIATELY puts the power in the hands of the people.

Real paper cash:
>is permissionless
>is private
>is anonymous
>has no transaction fees
>works in power outages
>doesn’t need the internet
>don't need to be a coder to use it
>doesn't depend on another party having a device
>everyone knows exactly how much they have
>has no transaction limits or thresholds for reporting
>money laundering is harder with physical cash, due to transport
>is inclusive, it does not see race
>is harder to use in ransoms
>can’t be hacked
>don’t need to remember a password to use it
>IS the ultimate in payment platforms
>using cash helps people to save money and budget
>puts the power directly in the hands of the people
>keeps the currency near the REAL goods and services
>less paperwork
>is face to face, not face to screen
>makes government theft harder
>using cash forces the debt-based Federal Reserve to serve the citizens

Boycott businesses that do not take cash.
NEVER USE YOUR PHONE TO PAY.
Barter is the real torpedo to these fucking clowns.

>>513822312
Which assets are these that america hasn't yet burdened with a leverage of at least 10? And why are you writing with a translator, fellow american? What is your opinion on military aid to israel?

<<---a meme masterpiece

>>513822011
Selling bonds is not a borrowing operation. Its purpose is to drain reserves from the banking system.

>>513823160
>Selling bonds is not a borrowing operation
i agree, debt-based currencies are doomed to fail

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505237484/
^^^ A thread about the NYFed and its ilk now trying to convince the boomers to switch from private Federal Reserve-issued, debt-based Federal Reserve Notes to privately-issued, debt-backed stablecoin tokens. This is going to be priceless to watch. Neither of these currency options benefit the citizens, they only benefit the private issuer. Will boomers sell out once again to the banks to save themselves from a failing system that they created? One last fuck you to the country as they insulate themselves in their private tokens?
And in the next orchestrated crisis, are the boomers’ new asset tokens to become worthless, as the payment platform is the ultimate claimant to any reserve assets in a crisis or bankruptcy?

When is the currency going to be restored to the people? Don't US taxpayers have a right to a debt-free currency issued by their own treasury?

Pic related was just passed.

This is just entitled boomer classists driving the fucking country into the ground for money (mostly from the now-bankrupt NYFed's QE policies) and now destroying the US taxpayer's currency (the fucking US$, which is A FUCKING UNIT) on the world stage with the Fed’s issued-into-oblivion, worthless Federal Reserve Note.

How fraudulent do you have to be that you can actually destroy a fucking unit of measurement? lol holy fuck

>>513807748 (OP)
>Print 37 trillion dollars
>Pay off debt
Shrimple as

going to workout
bb to bump

>>513823154
0 interest

>>513807977
who was president in 2018 (and in 2025) when they exploded the deficit for no reason but giving tax cuts to billionaires

>>513810974
The plan is to build more nuclear reactors, which provide free energy, and use this power to mine crypto. The debt can be paid off using bitcoin

Congress makes every law, policy, and controls all the money. Many of the same sit in their individual seat 40 years. You want change and a balanced budget, go vote in new people. The olds are keeping a congress person almost their entire viability span as a human.

>>513814143
>cut defense spending
Defense spending takes all of 20% of the federal budget, retard. The heavy hitters are Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Go after those also.

>>513814207
>Just don't pay, bro!
This board is trash

mid workout bump

There's no fixing the US debt problem. Even if rates are cut, the dollar benefitted massively from being seen as the reserve currency and a stable, liquid storage of value for wealth all around the world. This status kept US interest payments artificially low - this "safe haven" status meant a higher demand for US treasuries, meaning the US could sell its debt at more beneficial conditions.
But this has been wrecked by Trump. Worldwide markets are de-centering the US economy, US debt is in record low demand and basically, you're completely fucked in the medium to long term.

>>513807748 (OP)
Hahahahaha The infamous "economist" who didn't know how to use Excel? Citing him automatically proves you don't know anything. https://www.businessinsider.com/reinhart-and-rogoff-admit-excel-blunder-2013-4

>>513824467
Exactly.

>>513807977
>this other president caused the problem
>that's why we need to make it worse!

>>513822831
>stabilize the country
Not about that (U.S. or any other) at this stage.
Global debt market approaching event horizon, conditional mostly upon worldwide continued confidence and stability in USD denomination.

See (for example) archive.4plebs topics here >>513809775

When this leviathan bond market implodes so goes it all

back
why are rents are home prices so high

>>513827994
>Global debt market

>>513807825

Two more weeks

>>513808280
That's most likely the Republican's plan, Trump himself is unlikely to give a fuck.
He can't be re-elected and it's unclear how much longer he can still function as a human.

>>513808164

You do not get it, once foreigners stop holding US bonds, most of the dollars in circulation abroad will return to the US economy, giving you 100% inflation per year for years. And they will be used to buy anything that isnt nailed down. It will be great for american export companies, but just about anything that can be sold abroad will be sold abroad, including factories, industrial equipment and even power plants. And then you will really be a third world country. And you will have to finance all your imports with your exports, meaning that formerly fat amerimutts, now piss poor, will have to compete with rich asians and euros for buying american grown food and american pumped oil and natural gas.

>>513827994
People really don't understand how bad this has gotten. I really don't think there's any chance of recovering, at least not without some massively drastic changes.

>>513808888
>the U.S. can get its annual GDP increase to the 4 or 5 percent range in the next 18 months, out of its current anemic ~2% then there might

Thats not possible. The entire west is currently in a debt exhaustion depression, a new phenomen that economists just ignore.

>>513808888
>the incoming administration does have a plan
>If the U.S. can get its annual GDP increase to the 4 or 5 percent range
lol
"nice plan"
if I would be rich i wouldnt be poor

you did it again lol

>>513828673
yup good webm
Note also how no one for past couple years is talking about yield curve inversion, any more

>>513828946
Trump said he would get prices lower. Get prices lower now, nigger.

>>513828825
Generally agree, which is why I'm deeply skeptical of this supply-side plan.
As you say, the entire global (and west) Debt-Based Economic Model is in jeopardy and no one—very few anyway esp. among those at top, near levers of power—wants to acknowledge or discuss it.

>>513828825
It is the reason they keep importing all the brown people. the brown people have no choice but to spend money and buy things like new homes and vehicles to go to work. then they have to outfit those homes with a large amount of things. most white americans and Europeans do not have this hurdle to cross but they are also being priced out of the market so they can feed salaries to these brown people.
Frankly, it is just fucking everything up either way, but there will be no recognizable homeland when it is finished. Imagine Turkey, mixed with India, mixed with Africa, with the soullessness of Asians. That is what we are all going to be dealing with everywhere.
End result is either war or death of mankind as we know it.
the browns have built nothing and chased everyone off who allowed them in. the yellows genocide themselves/each other so much it is insane.

>>513807977
Hmm I wonder what else happened around that time that could have necessitated deficit spending

>>513807748 (OP)
>Deficit / GDP = Broad Money Inflation
>~8% Inflation
>All Treasury Interest Rates under 5%
The gov is borrowing at negative real rates.
>Inb4 akshully according to CPI..
CPI is manipulated so that cost-of-living adjustments are also stealth cuts in broad money terms.

If interest rates ever go above dilution rate, then there might be a problem.. But the Fed would sooner do yield curve control and monetary repression than let the Treasury market implode, else they'd lose their monetary monopoly contract.

>>513829490
I'm starting to frame all the post-9/11 immigration as Phase 2 of neoliberal offshoring of the west's productive asset manufacturing capacity that began under Thatcher-Reagan and continued under Clinton.
Both phases are underpinned by globalist 'free trade' (NAFTA, GATT etc.) open borders.

>>513829490
Mass immigration is a GDP scam. It isn't even a good temp fix because while technically "yes" they do spend money on basic necessities, they're also a massive tax burden.

>>513807748 (OP)
The plan is to loot everything as fast as possible before Trump croaks lmao

>>513807748 (OP)
>Trump's massive deficit spending is starting to wreck America's finances.

Oh yeah, the national debt just became a problem this year.

Its not like retarded boomers have been spending us into ruin for the past 30 years.

>>513814980
>just give up
no.

>>513829791
>wonder what else happened around that time

See the video >>513810626 about mid-2019 and real reason for early 2020 never-before-in-human-history global lockdown

>>513807748 (OP)
bro the usd is cooked, they are just getting what they can out of it, no one actually believes they are going to pay it off.
they spend moths touting about a few hundred billion in doge cuts only to slap another 6 trillion onto the debt, like how much more obvious can you be?
your currency will implode, take some lessons in bartering.
if you can't fuck something, eat it, kill someone with it, or live inside it, it probably has no value.

>>513830672
>bro the Federal Reserve Note* is cooked
ftfy

Remember, ANY strong, NATIONAL currency HAS MANY FORMS, never just one (fiat paper, metal bars and coins, digital, check, money order, smart contracts, NFTs…)

If one wants real change and a strong national currency, there must be multiple forms of a currency, NEVER just one 'savior' form.

US Gold Notes and US Silver Notes are metals-backed, NON-fiat notes issued by the US Treasury
US Notes are interest-free, fiat notes issued by the US Treasury
Federal Reserve Notes are debt-based, fiat notes issued by the private, incorporated Federal Reserve
They are ALL DENOMINATED IN US DOLLARS (aka $US), which is a fucking UNIT.

>>513808164
> the governemt goes into debt at a rate of 2% to fund student loans which pay out 10%. Was that a bad deal for the government?
Pretty bad deal for the citizens especially when they’re taxed for the universities to exist in the first place.

>>513829968
need sauce anon

>>513807748 (OP)
He tried to save you.

>>513807748 (OP)
Why weren't you bitching about this last year or the year before or the year before that or the year before that?

>>513807748 (OP)
His plan is desperately do anything in his power to try and lower interest rates to pay less interest
But remember, Congress sets the budget

>>513810626
>>513808888
So, does the dollar collapse or does the NWO just keep doing funny money bullshit for the next 80 years without much trouble?

>>513831621
you realize that Trump spend like a drunken sailor in his first term as well, right?

>>513828673
>>513829165
those aren't even real yields since their measurement of inflation has been an absolute crock of shit since the 80s
index the contemporary rates by change in M3 per capita per real GDP and the situation appears irrecoverable

>>513807748 (OP)
Don't give a fuck about the deficit. If deportations ramp up, all will be good.

>>513831831
Don't know.
my guess ? and estimation is collapse of global bond market soon.
Whole global economy/finance is founded on USD denomination and not seeing how all the giga-expansion magnitude of debt and spending can continue
>this cannot continue

>>513832932
Seems to be a lot of bullshit lined up for september.

>>513832932
It's going to be a wild century.

>>513833467
>>513833613
no doubt
buckle up

>>513807748 (OP)
First the plan was to cut spending. Disappointed that they've already pivoted, it should be possible to save at least $1T just cutting US expense outside US borders.
The new plan appears to get deals for tariffs tied to foreign investment to grow their way out. I think it's too far gone for that, and it's never worked before, but let the man and his team cook. Let's see. Because doing nothing was not an option.

>>513834868
I remain highly skeptical (see above)
Too much happy talk is becoming de rigeur

>>513834868
That'd be cool if anybody made an investment

charge every boomer with treason, kick out all their tax payer subsidized illegal low wage scabs. what a disgusting generation of scammers

>>513807748 (OP)
You don't know what SOVEREIGN DEBT means.

>>513838431
What does it mean?

Trust Sessions trust the plan

>>513815516
The more the deficit the lower the inflation. Issuing debt SHRINKS the money supply.

>>513838617
Sovereign debt is the total money owed by a national government, issued through securities like Treasury bills, notes, and bonds to citizens, financial institutions, and other nations.

>>513807748 (OP)
>the cringe letter
no thanks

>>513811647
The ability of mutts to be confidently absolutely fucking retardedly wrong is truly fascinating.

>>513839302
Your country just opened the gates to every shitskin on earth. Stfu nigger lover.

>>513836488
I have short leaps at the money for next year. If you are correct I should be a multimillionaire
:popcorn:

>>513807825
Kek

>>513839555
if so, be sure to cut me a percentage
:)

>>513840016
Bet
If true, make daily posts about this and keep it active. I will see it and I will cash app or Venmo you. We leaving this rat race together

>>513839555
>short leaps

Considering you can't even get your terminology right, chances are you won't make shit and will lose your entire position.

>>513840350
Leap puts but really who gaf (You). Considering a put is a sythentic short but I can’t be literally incorrect or the short bus mafia (You) will get me (oh gnoes!)

>>513831875
You dumb ESLtard foreigners realize every President spends more than the previous President right? Been this way since at least Bush. It's called inflation and our entire global economy is based around inflation/spending increasing forever and going up in perpetuity. The next President, Democrat or Republican, in 2028 will outspend Trump as well, and then again in 2032, repeat for infinity.

It's fiat
IDGAF NIGGAS

>>513840464
>buying puts on the market in an era of hyperinflation and forecasted interest rate cuts

Yeah, you're retarded.

>>513840468
>been this way for the last 30 years
Short sighted. Country has been around for 200+. Don’t remember these deficits showing up anywhere in my history books ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>513840602
Make a post a year from now and keep it active, I will see it and I will let you know you were right.

Put your money where your mouth is playboy

>>513840644
>Country has been around for 200+

Country has been off the gold standard since 1971 retard. That's where the shitshow you see today began.

>>513840784
My point exactly.

>>513840200
checked ok anon will try (to remember)

>>513808407

here's the real non-typo URL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio

>>513829238
What now, nigger lover?

>>513807748 (OP)

>2020 to 2025
>le drumpf's fault
>curve actually starting to flatten instead of biden's nearly straight line up
So not only can leftists not count, they're also blind.

>>513807748 (OP)
>End social security
>End Medicare
>End Medicaid
>Halve defense budget
>End Department of Education
>Halve presidential cabinet
>End FBI and CIA
>End the Fed
>10% flat tax on all incomes, corporate and otherwise
Thats my solution

>>513807825
The plan is to ignite World War 3, collapse America, alien invasion, and rollout the Mark of the Beast.

>>513831892
>M3
velocity of money is all that's relevant to these reptils
ya i said it
reptils

>>513831831
The economy will collapse.
We HAVE to assume that they know this is coming and have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C already in place. Plan A is some sort of massive war and surveillance onslaught. This is already "on the books".
That doesn't mean it will even remotely work.

>>513813309
>You’re profoundly retarded if you believe Bibi ever said that
Proof?

>>513824082
>tax cuts to billionaires
You mean the middle-class?

>>513846868
That's a deceptive chart. A 1% tax cut on $1 million dollars is still more beneficial than a 10% tax cut on $50k.

>>513846533
>have Plan A, Plan B, Plan C
checked, I understand what you're saying anon but the most terrifying part of all this is that they do not actually have 'a plan' in place for when the global debt market goes kaput.
It's just The End.

>"on the books"
>doesn't mean it will even remotely work
(You) get it anon.

>>513847780
My view is halfway to what you are saying.
I am sure there is 100% "a plan" in place because they know the economy is definitely going to collapse. They are 100% shaping things toward WWIII or something like that, another pandemic with a worse virus, or something.
They are 1000% knowing it's already inevitable they will do this.

But I agree that even they surely realize how off the rails their control has become and that all of their plans can easily backfire and I think they're calling audibles at this point.
But, they are and have been conscious of the need for a massive
"EVENT"

>>513847630
>That's a deceptive chart. A 1% tax cut on $1 million dollars is still more beneficial than a 10% tax cut on $50k.
Define beneficial. Those who have less income benefit more by deeper tax cuts as a percentage that allows them to keep more of their income, even if its less sum dollars that the 1% tax cut the rich receive. Of course, the whole idea of a tax on income is retarded anyway and should be abolished.

>>513846868
>>513847630
>deceptive
Pretty sure that "$1 million" guy won't even notice it, meanwhile IT'S A LIFESAVER for a poor "$50k" guy
You're a faggot.
pic unrelated

>>513848391
It's the same argument faggot leftists use when they talk about cuts in reverse so they know exactly what they're lying about here. Now it somehow doesn't count when someone actually did something for us beyond import infinity third worlders and give money to tranny musicals in peru and DC leftist hidden party and makework offices.

>>513847630
You really are a faggot.

>>513849598
The funny thing about these memes is leftists think its some sort of "I told you so" when Conservative Trump is now doing Conservative things that we voted for and hoped we would do. Its like you guys don't seem to comprehend that our values are completely different than yours.

>>513851260
>leftists
Holy fucking retard. He's a part of the uniparty swamp, that's doesn't even touch banks, FED etc etc.

You goypig cretin.

>>513808693
Japan is the perfect case to illustrate that debt does actually matter. Despite having 50% more population Japan's economy was overtaken by Germany's economy *while*Germany*was*in*recession.*

Their debt leaves them no room for necessary monetary policy decisions. During the pandemic inflation years they couldn't raise interest rates like everybody else because that would've bankrupted them. So they didn't. And their currency devalued and their terms of trade worsened accordingly.
Same is gonna happen to the US, only slower and over a longer time frame.

>>513828467
You do not get it. This will never happen because there will be a war first.

>>513821612
>red dot close to blure bar
shitholes with 0 growth importing infinite niggers
>red dot far away from blue bar
fastest growing economies in the world

explain

>>513851492
This shit has existed since 2004 its really nothing new

Notice how they had to crack down on Antisemitism after 2001

>>513807748 (OP)
Dont worry, oy vey is going to give us lower rates
Oy gevalt

obama 7t to 28t debt including obamacare

biden to 48t

trump REDUCING deficit

dems need to be genocided with jew

man has a right to unlimited hot pussy as long as he is manufacturing

no one else should have money

>>513841698

eggs biden $9
eggs trump 2$

>>513854292
Trump needs to keep on winning and keep making Libtards mad

>>513807825
the "trust the" one

>>513807748 (OP)
Deficit means nothing. It's just owning jewish niggers money.

>>513807825
Concepts of a plan

>>513807943
They probably hope to inflate their way out of debt while also somehow avoiding food riots.

>>513853317
Who exactly is going to fight in that war? Disenfranchised white men?

What happens if the courts rule against Trump's unlegislated "emergency" tariffs and that expected revenue falls away?

Imagine being a migger 200k in debt thinking what the us gov a private corporation will do with the money it sucks off of its slaves.
Well let me enlighten your mutt mongrel visage, the EU commisioner ursula von lugen said it best, namely that private deposits will be used by the government and then assets and properties.
You
Vill
Own
Ze
Nothingz

Im told people are monitoring the situation very strongly.

>>513807825
Devaluation x10

>>513807748 (OP)
Why do you people lie so much

>>513807748 (OP)
AH JEEZ DOOD, I HURT MY LEG

>>513808164
Inflation is the govt printing more money.

>>513828673
>>513829165
>>513831892
isn't the entire point that the returns have shifted onto the stock market? you can't have both or well you shouldn't have both

>>513807748 (OP)
The last century was reckless democrat spending somewhat curtailed by republicans.
Also after all this uniparty WEF neolib, neocon bullshit, I really don't care if Trumps spending sends the US into the red even more.

>>513807748 (OP)
All his casinos went bankrupt. He's a shit businessman.

>>513824082
>This nigger thinks taxes lower the deficit
HA

>>513860462
Truly they don’t understand economics

>>513807943
Oh how about we cut taxes and raise spending? Let's all also cut the systems that collect taxes so we can afford more spending.

>>513807748 (OP)
>annual interest would hit 1.4T dollars per year
fuck, it was less than a trillion just a couple years ago.

>>513814592
its obvious
revenue wont exceed cost to service debt if we have to pay more
in other words once we are paying closer to 2trillion per year to service
the interest on the natl debt
US becomes insolvent as it no longer has revenue
to cover existing liabilities

>>513807748 (OP)
What would happen to america if they say "yeah fuck you we ain't going to pay whaccu gunna du about it?"

>>513808164
>>513808407
>>513808693
stop looking at raw numbers
debt to gdp ratio is meaningful but the exact nature of the debt and who is lending it plays a huge part
japan has an insane debt to gdp ratio because nearly all of japanese debt (88%) is domestic/internal to their economy which means the big lenders are more willing to re-negotiate lower rates to ensure payment in the long term as demanding payment and crashing the economy that you yourself operate in is generally considered to be a bad idea
and even then with unimaginably generous re-negotiated conditions japan has been in a recession for like 30 years now
US debt is 65-75% domestic depending on exact estimates and domestic US lenders are far more predatory than japanese domestic lenders
the US debt situation is a lot more fragile and won't sustain as much debt as japan has been able to

Cursed

The emotional effects on the economy. When people have no faith that their savings will last. Permanent inflation crushes people's hope for the future. A hopeful man works, saves, and invests. Black magic - something is wrong. Permanently decreasing savings - the harder you work, the more money you save - the more you lose to inflation. People that don't work lose nothing. People that work hard and save up lose everything. People give up hope. Hope is fundamental to capitalism. Much like mass immigration, the government policies seem to be designed out of incompetence, but destined to crush the populace. The result will be total domination by foreign powers.

>>513807748 (OP)
No body cares. We're all riding train to the conclusion.

>>513808888
>BN-GT738_ristid_P_20150203110744.jpg
Funny how it started going up in 2016.

>>513807825
>Devalue Dollar
>Repay Debt with Zimbabwe Tier currency
>???
>Win

>>513807888
That parabolic graph shows how excellently Biden and the jews accelerated. Clearly they are the heart and soul here under the noise.

We can compare our current situation with a hypothetical. In our situation, no one is certain of the future. Everyone is unhopeful. Everyone is worried about the economy. Everyone is worried that their savings will disappear. Maybe the value of the dollar will crash. Maybe the value of housing will crash. Maybe the cost of oil will skyrocket. Because of that, what is everyone's psychology? It is "get mine and get out." Find the most reliable nest egg and put all your savings in it. Either that or don't save at all, don't work, don't risk anything - that way you aren't any worse off it it crashes. No one is thinking, I am going to work really hard, earn a lot of money, and invest it into my community. If they are going to invest it they will invest it into their nest egg to escape. Whether that be housing, or some sort of currency like gold or crypto or stocks. If the economy were stable, this huge drive to get your money "somewhere safe" would not exist. Instead people would be thinking about projects to produce goods and services, like a factory or something like that. You save up money, spend it on something profitable, and increase your earning. Currency is like the ground that an economy is built on. An unstable currency is like building on quicksand. The primary motivation is not to save up money, it is to get rid of money. All anyone talks about on /biz/ is getting rid of money. Real estate, crypto, gold, stocks. Get rid of money. Hence, the basic function of capitalism - those that work hard earn more money and get to retire, those that don't work don't earn money and starve - has fallen. A one two punch of socialism rewarding people who don't work and inflation punishing those who do. Inflation will cause the wealth of those who work and those who don't to equalize. The man who spent the past century slaving away will lose all his savings to inflation and be left in the same boat as the man who spent the past century collecting welfare checks.

>>513863014
Why is it bad when trump is spending? I thought he was being the Republican of the week

So if the powers that be want a society of people who don't work, and don't save - and need to be bailed out in an emergency - and never have enough money, or the confidence in the future, to develop their community industrially - then permanent inflation is the way to go. If you want people to be a bunch of dollar-enslaved welfare leeches and bottom feeders, permanent inflation will get that. You will not have capitalists, industrialists, hard workers, a developing industrial sector, community resiliency in times of hardship. The consumer society is the opposite of an industrial society. It is incredible to believe that this is what the US governing class wants since it will cause the total destruction of US in terms of foreign power.