Thread 511366900

How did Germany lose WW2 when they had vastly superior weapons, fighting men, and leaders?

>>511366900 (OP)
why doesn't detroit take over all of north america?

>>511366900 (OP)
>superior
>leaders

Hey let's open up another front in the east!

>>511367038
israel won't exist in 10 years

Ten good weapons lose to a hundred decent ones, or one thousand bad ones.

>>511367038
You might not like it, but that's what superior Aryan genes look like.

>>511366900 (OP)
The technological differences weren't really great. In some ways Germans were ahead, but in many others Allies, especially Americans and the British, were ahead. Ultimately, it just came down to manpower and natural resources.

>>511366900 (OP)
The allies were willing to sacrifize their entire countries to gave the jews a victory.

>>511367114
neither will you.

>>511367114
America either hopefully

>>511366900 (OP)
A 2 front war with shit-tier allies.
Equipment quality is pointless without strategic support and resources.
Should have waited for Stalin to invade Poland first then join the Anglo-Franco tripartire pact and 'rescue' Poland then keep going Ost as a Pan-Euro crusade against Bolshivism.

>>511366900 (OP)
They lacked the most important strength of all, the power of friendship.

Unironically

>>511367236
>>511367240
both of these pathetic countries will be gone too :) but you're both jews, right

>>511366900 (OP)
>How did Germany lose WW2
they really thought they were the master race LM AO

>>511366900 (OP)
axis didn't communicate well. Italy didn't tell Germany about Greece, They didn't share technology much.

allies locked their generals in the same room for days at a time to plan shit out

>>511367274
Bolshevism is an anglo invention.

>>511367357
they didn't even think they were totally pure idiot

>>511366900 (OP)
They didnt

i dont know
how did America lost Vietnam with Helicopters,Nukes,Aircraft Carriers,Satelittes,M16,Flamethrowers against some rice farmers with rusty AK´s ?

give it to me straight dogfucking Jaques Le Quebek from Torronto.

Enlighten us

Doesn't matter if you don't have oil to fuel those tanks

>>511366900 (OP)
The odds were stacked against them even more than they imagined. Had America stayed out of the war they most likely had a chance but the moment the unmolested resources of America and other nations began to flood the UK and USSR it was over. The vast majority of soviet equipment and resources came from the lend-lease and overwhelmed an already strained German campaign against the communist.>>511367038
>>511367038
Most retards will tell you otherwise but thats because they are coping and hoping that the world we have now isn't from sheer evil manipulating and pulling the strings to create it on the ashes of one of the few willing to save them.

A few major reasons:

1. They had no oil. They were due to run out in 1942 so attempted to take the Soviet oil fields. This famously failed, and then it was basically the beginning of the end.
2. They didn't finish off the RAF when they had it on its knees. This meant they couldn't take Britain.
3. They underestimated the USA massively

Basically Germany was at a huge disadvantage from day 1 and the route to victory was very narrow.

>>511367463
Racial inferiority.

>>511366900 (OP)
They moved to America. CIA and NASA were created by former Nazis. ;)

-Demiurge

>>511366900 (OP)
UHMMM
>lets produce 10 shitty tanks instead 100 good tank destroyers bcuz le big tank looks better on propaganda

>literally same fkn main plane (bf109) trough entire war, embarrasing

>"leaders" were literally hitler inner dicksucking circle. Each and every just patted him on the back, achieved nothing on his own or were far past their best days and tried to steal as much as they could knowing it won't last forever.

>Berlin was bombed in 1940 already

>masterful tactics like:
Make entire fckin population of occupied country into enemies! So you can endlessly divide your army into occupying forces and expect trains and tracks to blow up here and there.

>befriend enemies of your allies (imperial china), never communicate with allies, literally plan to backstab your allies

From each and every side, nazis were fckn morons and they seem to succeed early mostly bcuz france didnt want to fight at all, poland was corrupted af, russia just had political purges. The very moment world started to actually give a fuck, it was so over for them. Literally first lost battle and it never regained any momentum.

>>511366900 (OP)
cos they didn't
several variants of the tiger/panther platform were overdesigned fail ovens even before the materials/parts became scarce and they started building them with cheaper shit
the ss were an ever present pack of cultish morons constantly fucking over the army and airforce
they had one good leader one good public speaker and a half dozen shitheaded goblins running the show

>>511367515
Or steel to make the tanks, or ammo to fire the guns, or food to feed the operators. Nazi logistics were hilariously bad. All the Axis powers had horrible logistics capabilities. The Wehrmacht was using horse-drawn carriages while the US could get a bullet from factory to battlefield in a week.

>>511367700
pollack whos shithole wouldnt even exist without foreign empires throwing their shit at germany

>>511366900 (OP)
No oil and backstabbed by allies inside and out.

>>511367400
Someone mentioned that bs theory on X and a user asked Grok only to be shown by Grok that Germany financed Bolshevism to weaken Russia. Naturally you lie but hide behind a memeflag.

>>511367775
cool story kike
how many astroturfed threads are you pullling out of your arse today?

>>511367240
You live in Pakistan lol

The route to victory probably would've been to not let the British army escape at Dunkirk, then finish the RAF off and invade Britain. Then they could've sued for peace maybe. This would've avoided war with the USSR and denied the USA a staging base to fight in Europe.

But oil was the ticking clock. Oil plus some huge strategic errors is what it comes down to really.

>>511367873
Did someone got baited into losing world war twice? Cry germie, and remember to keep flat pristine for afghan, gypsy or somalian bulls.
Country so proud it literally fights to die off and attempts to kills others as well.

>>511367942
...are you drunk or just blind

>>511367876
They lost because they weren't ruthless enough early on, too. Hitler was waaaay too nice.

>>511367864
The Wehrmacht used horse drawn carriages because they didn't have enough oil.

Every side had terrible logistics.

>>511366900 (OP)
size of wisconsin and it took us russia and bankrupting the entire british empire.........better question why were allied ground troops so shitty?

well they had inferior weapons in inferior quantities, inferior men, and their leaders were anglo agents

and when their decapitation strike on Russians failed, USA and UK changed sides

>>511368116
Nice? Nigger please, he literally set out murder of SA whom elevated him. He purged experienced generals whom said "we cannot start war as we gonna lose".

Either hitler was complete retard or just an actor with huge protection to carry on plan to destroy germany.

>>511367930
Bolshevism/communism was invented by old english feudal elites in the 19th century as a way to check industrialists' power. The plan was to drive a wedge between the new industrial class of capitalists and the workers who worked in their factories.

>>511367876
How did the Allies backstab them?
That sounds like some "cries out in pain while he strikes you" shit.

>>511367357
no thats jews

Quantity>quality in modern warfare.

>>511368318
he was an eternal anglo asset

The war was arguably lost when they invaded Poland. They should've sat on their territorial gains at that point and built up for many years until they were truly ready, or just been satisfied with that landmass.

>>511367983
Live in a whiter country than you lol

>>511366900 (OP)
Germany lost the war when their main tank was a panzer 3. All the fancy stuff they came up with later just delayed the end

>>511367038
Superior nation?

>>511368008
the smart route is to send journalists and arty types to the border zone to document the raiding
use said stories to get the international community on board with dealing with the problems in bavaria/poland
now instead of teaming up with the bolshevik empire for full invasion and triggering you can send task forces to wipe out the polish raiders and arrest the german ones

instead idiot touched the thing he was told not to touch three fucking times in a row

>>511368407
> real quantity > quality on paper

ftfy

>>511368116
best comment on here

>>511368133
Are you forgetting someone paki? We were shipping food and metal to the Russians, keeping two fronts supplied across two oceans, and supplying our other allies at the same time. The US had a monstrous logistics capability during WW2. It still does, for that matter. We like our boats.

>>511367114
>said everyone in 1948
>said everyone in 1967
>etc

>>511366900 (OP)
>vastly superior weapons
They really didn't. The Wehrmacht was for the most part technologically inferior to their opponents.

>vastly superior weapons
They had the best machine gun and the best tanks
But having the best tank is retarded when it doesn't scale well
Their navy was shit and their without was shit
Horse carriages were still super common in their supply chain
By and large the US had better tech
>superior men
I guess if you're comparing to Russians
>Superior leaders
They were retarded junkies

>>511368415
They couldn't stop then simply cuz they owed a fuckton of money to jews by then. Member that rothshild was escorted safely out of austria by ss and usa jews literally bankrolled war. Up to the point that parts for germie warmachines were produced in US so war won't finish TOO FAST.

>>511368639
they had the best short range until the americans got involved

>>511368506
It's not possible to rape in Germany as long as you ask nicely first.

>>511368639
and the swedish kike also shows up
another astroturfed thread

>>511368604
>We were shipping
2/3 of the hydrocarbons of the Reich

lendlease amounts to less than 10% of stuff used by Russians and was more of a warranty service for a shitty stalin's industrialization you was supposed to deliver in 1930, choosing to build Rheinmetal instead

>>511368621
Congratulations!
2nd place worldwide!
You must love your kids, but hey, more importantly you won and you get what you deserve.
More than anyone else.

>>511368639
youre insane......my uncles wifes father was a d day vet he said anytime they didnt have complete air domination 1 of 2 things would happen 1 theyd hide until air support came or 2 youd see grown men running from 15 yr old hitler youth

>>511368362
I meant allies within the axis

>>511368801
>you get what you deserve
>England gets what they deserve
FTFY, the neet part is you get to experience it too!

>>511368711
LOL US army barely got off a beach manned by junior high kids and eastern conscripts

>>511368639
This is wrong Swedecuck and I have a few examples, so do other anons

>>511367463
wypipo don season they spike pits

>>511368604
It's not really fair to compare the supply logistics of the USA and Nazi Germany after 1943 or so though. What you're talking about is when the USA is happily sitting back at peace and sending ships to places. The Nazis were having to supply armies during massive and prolonged war.

No one is doubting the industrial output of the USA, and Hitler getting into a war with them was a critical, but perhaps unavoidable error after 1941.

>>511368711
For 1 mg 42 there was 30 brownings m1919
What good tank? Everything past panzer 4 was propaganda fueled mistake. Every german ace literally preffered armada of stug4 instead tigers and panters.
Logistics were pure garbage, nationalized companies had more inner infighting and attempts to steal own weatlh than russians. All while USA literally told private companies "produce best shit as fast as you can" and they did. Folks who literally MADE cars before.
>relying on slave workers on strategic production 0iq.

>>511368711
this whole thread is full of screetchigng kikes
really busy today

>>511369099
how does this change the facts of what i said though............

>>511369099
Hitler probably should have settled for America only sending supplies instead of declaring war on the USA and getting the total war treatment.

FAFO.

>>511368808
>drafts 15 year old kids into the meatgrinder
is this supposed to be a positive argument?

>>511369099
they were so starved for manpower they had 10 koreans on those beaches its cold hard fact that the US army could barely handle the 4th string troops

>>511367700
Hess was pretty based

>>511368884
I will expand, TNoTLN caused a morality hit. A lot of friends died... but it had to be done. This could have been avoided by better conditioning and a more forgiving reconditioning of the deviant offenders that were slaughtered.
Time Machines don't exist so discussing WW2 is sliding the board.

israel won't exist in 10 years

>>511368780
4.5 million tons of food to a nation that lost 70% of its agricultural production during Operation Barbarossa, and that was losing millions to starvation. Every metal necessary to build anything. A bunch of hand-me-down military vehicles to use if you lost your production entirely. 2000 railway cars, half a million cars, and oil. Lend lease was downplayed by Stalin's retarded ass, but without it, at minimum, you would have lost half your population to starvation. And most likely the war with it. You were our second oldest ally before a Georgian poisoned your minds.

>>511366900 (OP)
>when they had vastly superior weapons
???????????????????

>>511369191
if you got into a fight at a bar and i handed your opponent a machete and brass knuckles and held a gun out to make sure nobody stopped me from giving him those weapons would you consider me just a bystander??

>>511369345
as positive as bankrupting your empire for henry stakosch

>>511368801
You mean that hundreds of Muslims are chasing Germans through the streets with machetes and that our police are then beating us Germans down and locking us up?
Or that our government covers up one of the biggest pedo scandals of modern times?

Sure, at some point it will be our turn.
But NOW it's you and I really like to watch. : )

>>511369462
this thread was made by a kike
see: >>511367194
its absolutely amazing how retarded this entire board is

>>511369575
This entire board is kike/fed posting.
Are you new here?

>>511368506
What is per capita?

>>511369528
why are you responding to yourself?
what retarded shit is this entire thread?

>>511369431
Axis got to 1v1 USSR for Operation Barbarossa and still failed. Lend lease didn't start arriving till 42, and didn't peak until 43.

>>511366900 (OP)
>vastly superior weapons
Not really, or rather not enough of those that were superior. And the answer is lack of raw materials.

>>511366900 (OP)
Checked. Heil Hitler!

They were all tranny surrender monkeys.
Somehow they also had no problem Holocausting several million of the brightest and most intelligent "humans".
Hmmmmmm.

>>511369670
gee is that why fdr and his jewish entourage were threatening finland about artic convoys in oct 1941?

>>511368978
We can't compare the logistics after we degraded their capabilities. After we supplied their enemies, and pushed them into a corner when they were overextended. It wasn't our fight period. Protecting your ass is not our job. "Sitting back at peace" you mean not fighting a war we have nothing to do with? Making a buck off the blood thirst of Europe is as American as apple pie.

>>511369670
oh the war was over in 1942?
thats really the newest russian cope

>>511369575
You vile Huns and your genetic need to destroy Europe are responsible for weakening the white race across the globe and helping kikes become uncontested rulers.

>>511369848
what did you expect with 73 jews running the show

>>511369894
no that was churchill

>>511369818
Anyone up to explain how this happened?

>>511369876
Your high command did think it was kinda over once Barbarossa didn't end in Russian collapse but 1942 was obviously difficult for Russians and lend lease helped them a lot.

>>511369829
The lend lease agreement was only signed in Oct 41. Germans failed Barbarossa before any lend lease got to the Soviet front line.

>>511369662
people sharing opinions and discussing history
it's only incomprehensible to you because you're working with that retarded groups and teams mentality
ideology is mental sickness, drop the assumptions

>>511370150
youre a failing nigger shithole

>>511366900 (OP)
Mussolini starting fights he couldn't finish and needing Hitler to bail him out, delaying Barbarossa by weeks. Sending all their best men to die in that quagmire in Stalingrad.

>>511370101
youre full of shit and semitism the first shipments arrived in aug 1941

>>511366900 (OP)
They tried to fight every global super power in the world at once.

>>511370233
last i checked our numbers were 90%+
how's your white to dark ratio kraut xD

>>511369670
1942 the same year you lost a million people to starvation. 1941 you lost 3 million in one year to starvation, and the year we started providing aid it dropped to a million.
>>511369876
They couldn't admit the impact of lend lease at the time. I don't expect them to admit it now. It would harm their national narrative of the Great Patriotic War.

>>511369670
lend lease started in '41 when the first shipment from the bongs arrived in the ussr
25% of soviet medium and heavy tanks were from the uk for most of that year, and 40% were of british origin at the battle of moscow
and that's just tanks
people always rightfully blame the us giving the soviets the ability to beat germany and become a superpower later, but not enough people talk about how the bongs saved the ussr from imploding within the first year, effectively dooming eastern europe to communism

>>511369876
Pretty much.

Hitlers strategy was unironically "well kick the door in and they'll just surrender like Frenchmen".

Barbarossa failed to achieve its goals.

Operation Fau Blau to capture the oil fields couldn't even hold Stalingrad. It was over for the Germans by November 42 when the 6th army got encircled. All down hill from there.

>>511366900 (OP)
They were overwhelmed but they fought like Lions to the very end and gave 85% of the planet a run around, they barely lost. They fought the rest of the planet and almost won.
More than 25% of the world’s population was mobilized against a country the size of Texas.
And still it took half a decade in the age of flight and train and car to push the Germans back over a collective 1500 miles.
It took 85% of the planet 5 years to cross a shorter distance than Alexander crossed on foot in 4 years. A Bronze Age army engaging in a march of conquest was faster than the the enemies of Germany. Such was the ability of Germany to hold back the tide, time and again to throw back the invader.

It is not appreciated how much courage, genius, daring, and borderline religious fury the Germans had. These men truly were the Heroes Wotan was looking for.

>>511370425
Churchill said he would work with Satan himself, and he meant it.

>>511367274
Wouldn’t have happened. France asked the USSR to invade Germany preemptively in 1936. France wanted a war with Germany.

>>511368760
>>511368808
>>511368957
Calm down spergs. Germany was cucked by the Versaille treaty while the Brits, Soviet and Americans could keep developing their military. It's a matter of fact that in the aggregate the Wehrmacht was a low tech army, even by 1940s standards. Most their logistics were based on horse-drawn carry rather than trucks. While they developed some great tanks like the Tiger and Königstiger those were never their main battle tanks. At operation Barbarossa their main tanks were Panzer 3 and 4, which were at best equal to the T-34.

The Wehrmach being a high tech wunderwaffen army is a myth, but this isn't a slight of them. In fact their success is largely attributed to superior tactics, training and moral of the soldiers. The Germany army would arguably have been the underdogs against each single opponent they went up against, if you could have placed bets at the time.

What they were able to accomplish was nothing less than astounding.

>>511366900 (OP)
Two fronts; same fuck-up as Napoleon's; Zerg rushed; limited materiel (only 1,500 tiger tanks were ever built).

>>511367700
Poland lives in the shadow of Germany and specifically Hitler.

>>511370617
stop shitting up the thread, snownigger
you were last relevant 300 years ago

>>511370617
>great tanks like tiger and konigstiger
baits used to be believable

>>511366900 (OP)
They weren't superior at all. Their tactics were only novel early on. Everyone soon adapted and improved them. Their weapons weren't that good. Nothing next level far superior to what their opponents had. In tech the germans were not all that advanced. there were a few areas where they were cutting edge but in most they were matched or exception by the allies. Furthermore the allies could produce cutting edge tech at scale. The nazis could only ever field their top tech in limited numbers. As fore their m,en they were pretty shit tier. Especially as the war dragged on. Old men a sickly boys verses giant corn fed american country boys was not a even a contest. As for their leaders that was a real advantage they had but again matched and exceeded by their enemies as the war dragged on.

>>511366900 (OP)
It came down to not enough men to keep fighting. Same thing will happen to Ukraine

>>511370735
your entire existence is bait

>>511370364
It s the other way around, lol. Every ZOG owned countries started wars with them or prepared to.

>>511370515
>promote General Paulus to Field Marshal, reminding him that no German field marshal has ever allowed himself to be captured
>next day he surrenders to the Soviets
PAULUS NO!!!! GIVE ME BACK MY 6TH ARMY!

>>511366900 (OP)
Russians overwhelmed them with manpower and Jewish owned westerners stabbed them in the back with a western invasion.

>>511370749
>1 post by this ID
we got the entire kike shillfarm busy today
multiple threads
is it because its friday?

>>511368362
The Bulgarian army gave up after taking 8,000 casualties.
8 fucking thousand and they were out.
There were skirmishes which saw more casualties.
Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, these guys all could have done more. The Balkan Slavs are a courageous people. With small arms, panzerfausts, and trenches they could have held the red army at the Dniester indefinitely.

>>511366900 (OP)
>How did Germany lose WW2
unlike Germans jews firebombed civilians and cities with them and that's how you win wars

>>511370749
Germans were only sickly because they let a Jew invent a way of turning synthetic petroleum byproducts into edible coal based margarine to nourish the Volk.

They literally invented goyslop, then made the Jewish inventor an honorary Aryan.

>>511370830
See this is the quality of the average german irl. Very low, very mediocre in all ways.

>>511368621
Ok but Germany lost, this is inflicted upon them against their will.
You won. So are you allowing your women to be raped? You won the war, shouldn’t you be better off than Germany?

>>511370775
And you choke on it every time.
Member to work hard, so muhammad can afford 2nd new porsche.
Hope you like that bmw is projected for china market for like 3rd generation with head artists literally saying "we do not create cars for europeans".
Ouh, and mb full of china tablets and renault engines. VAG creating engines for china cheaper cars.. And so on

>>511366900 (OP)
It was Japan's fault. If they hadn't bombed pearl harbour then America would never have entered the war. That combined with failing to secure a truce with Britain before starting on Russia fucked them. Once they conquered France, instead of bothering with Britain in the air, they should have secured a truce with Britain for just long enough to invade and conquer Russia. A lot of the British government were in favour.

>>511366900 (OP)
>vast Superior fire power
yes and no, depends on what and what context your talking about. Take for instance the sub machine gun, Russia had PPSH which Germany thought it was better than the German MP40 but Germans had better sniper rifle with US Springfield considered a close second both the British and the French loved the Thompson submachine gun. And both the Russians and Germans loved the M1. Russian Tanks were far Superior to some German tanks that the Germans had to roll out an new tank destroyer to punch through Russian armor before they figured out "slopped armor" was better.
There are those would say US bombers were way better but others would argue the US just had better production. I don't even think Germany had aircraft carriers but both Japan and US had them and they have proven more valuable than battle ships, but Germany had one of the best Battleships ever built aka the Bismark and yet it got sunk by mediocre British ships? So again context also matters..
Ultimately it comes down to training, tech, resources and heart.
>>inb4 but what about strategy?

I would argue strategy comes from all 4 those mentioned elements. Take any one of those out of the equation and it all goes to shit. All 4 work in cohesively. Even if you lack in one element, if you create the right strategy based on what you do have, you can win.
Germany lacked the resources to continue let alone fight a 2 front war.

>>511368639
>>511368711
Their human quality is what carried them so far. Less so their technology.
German technology in German hands > non German technology in German hands >>>> german tech in non German hands > >>>>>>> >>>> >>>non German tech in non German hands

>>511371034
If japan wouldn't do shit they would just collapse. Which part of "starve them" and "embargo on everything" you don't get.
USA basically baited japs into war they both knew japs can't win alone. Usa knew about pearl harbor but needed casus beli to break isolationism.

>>511371034
Churchill "Germany must perish" was never going to make a truce. He was completely owned by the jews.

>>511369099
>can’t fight them at the front so they have to fight their women and children instead
You want me to hate Americans?

>>511370973
>coal based margarine

>>511371018
the only thign china is good at is copying german stuff
really impressive

>>511370942
Where were the Bulgarians stationed?

I know you guys like to blame Romanians for failing to stop Stalingrad from being encircled, but the German commanders are responsible for failing to crush the bridgehead across the river, and leaving their weakest allied divisions there to hold what was a critically important flank.

>>511366900 (OP)
leaders? sure, the top gang was legendary but below that was nobility, men with no talent
often second son

>>511370813
This would have destroyed a weaker people. Germany fought on.

>>511371173
>Its your fault that you wont trade with us because of our warmongering.
I bet you white knight for putin a lot.

Victory comes from God alone.

The nazis blasphemed God.

With their occult nonsense.

>>511370813
>be ordered to fight to the last man with no ammo, food, or medical supplies
>wtf
What else was there to do?

>>511371517

Same reason the zionists will be defeated.

>>511371606
Not allow himself to be capture. I'm sure you can infer the rest.

>>511371606
Obey his orders, hold out till the last man to tie up as many soviet forces as possible for as long as possible. What good did they do the Reich as soviet prisoners?

>>511371606
barely anyone came back from being captured in Stalingrad
they should have fought on as ordered

>>511371606
It's not about trade with usa.. it's about blocking everyone from trading with japs or they're in a world of shit.
No food, no wood, no coal, no steel, no nothing.
It was war or surrender there and there.

>>511371626
Ironic so soon after yet another zionist victory.

>>511371375
The inability of the Yugroids to adapt to modern warfare quickly is what caused the collapse of the flank. They didn’t produce anti tank weapons of sufficient quality or numbers, or anti weapons of the same stock, while they could have held out on the Southern flank and even held the Red Army in the event the Southern flank is lost, they did not adapt in time and folded very easily.
The martial quality of Yugroids of leagues ahead of East Slavs. But Yugroid Achilles heel is their natural conservative disposition, they punish their innovative genius and reward those who merely refine what they already have.
If the Germans had better racial theorists they could have averted this.
Same with the Spaniards. I do not think the western powers could have taken Spain. The people are too well accustomed to hardship and rough living.
If Spain had joined they’d have punched up. Instead they remained neutral and did not even try to recover from their civil war until the 50s.

>>511371690
This too. The promotion to Field Marshal was a not so subtle message that he's expected to kill himself before rather than surrender.

Has nothing to do
War is about logistics. Especially modern mechanized industrial civilization war, it's solely about logistics and manufacturing production capacity in tandem with access to petroleum + mineral resources. Germany didn't have that (and also bit off more than it could chew w/ Barbarossa etc.)
Same with imperial Japan, their Co-Prosperity Sphere plan was too big for their petroleum + mineral britches.

>>511371758
Or they could have you know stopped invading other countries and committing genocide. Now I know you shill for putin regularly.

>>511371864
>Has nothing to do
* with what OP leaf posted

>>511371882
How ironic it sounds from yankee

>>511371517
faggot Christkike

>>511371734
Maybe the hopeless scenes of freezing and death around him overrode his sense of duty. Who knows.

>>511371758
It couldn't work with how germany invented missiles, it would just delay the war

>>511371932
How so? Oh an before you start coping about how the japs dindu nuffin. it was a literal nazi german that was the best third party primary source for the rape of Nanjing.

>>511367038
Why didn’t Germans grow beards?

>>511366900 (OP)
CAS

>>511371758
Japs were even dumber than Germans when it came to starting a war that they didn't even have an on-paper way of winning.

They read Mahan and had their Kantai Kessen or "decisive battle" doctrine, but didn't seem to understand that only wins you naval superiority, not the war. You still have to leverage that superiority to make the enemy capitulate.

Even if they got their decisive battle, and won, and btfo of the entire US Pacific Fleet, it still wouldn't have won Japan the war, cause theere was no follow up plan. Just wishful thinking that their enemy will surrender cause reasons.

>>511372115
We talk about history and you bring emotion to the table, like a woman. Is this estrogen in ur food?

>>511366900 (OP)
by having socialist(women) in charge of production

>>511366900 (OP)
Digits!
Because it was never a war.
It was a White Genocide program that had been planned out before the book "The Iron Heel" was written, and the book exposed the plan in advance.

>>511372233
wjhat retarded horseshit

>>511366900 (OP)
Quantity beats quality

>>511366900 (OP)
Lotta old school (crap) Prussian aristocracy still held power with their Officers....and IMO they were too "gentlemenly" - they let Rothschilds go, they let Dunkirk off easy, they formally delcared war on Russia before securing petrol (major loss), and maybe they assumed Japan would deal more damage than they did.

Or maybe the whole War was a giant white ppl sacrifice to Moloch and intentional 'thinning out' of warrior white genetics.

>>511372219
Facts from a reliable first hand account his emotion you idiot. The japs chose to warmonger and when the US said no we will not aid you in your imperialism they chimped out like the niggers they were and were easily crushed so hard they turned into a race of of manchildren incels watching loli cartoons about teen angst in middle school and buying used panties to sniff out of vending machines.

>>511371955
Guess Hitler should have appointed better commanders that weren't so soft and eager to retreat and surrender.

>>511372523
Thanks (((McGraw-Hill)))

>>511372523
us did have anything in "helping them", they literally tried to stop and bait them since they vieved them as a threat in pacific threatre. Oooga booga emotional nigger

>>511372684
>Trade with us or we cant continue our wars and mass genocide or we will bomb you
This was your thesis anon. Japan was beyond retarded and so are you for victim blaming.

>>511371955
kek. They really did think they were hot shit and acted like turbo niggers.

>>511372878
meant to reply to >>511372523

>>511372832
Everything beyond fact is ur attempt to bring down civilized discussion into emotional shtshow cuz you love this shit niggers.

>>511366900 (OP)

Weapons, training and leaders win battles, logistics wins wars.

>>511366900 (OP)
The allies werent that much behind. The base T34 won a stat check against the cannon commonly employed in the pzkpw III/IV with its thick angled armor, and the other soviet tanks were caughting up with german tech really fast. And the western side of the alliance wasnt really significantly behind.

I would have given up

>>511368318
>Either hitler was complete retard or just an actor with huge protection to carry on plan to destroy germany.
He obviously let the brits escape and killed the Wehrmacht in Russian sumps and mire and exhausted them with 4-5front wars. Sparse support with ammo, food warm clothes aso. That faggot was a zogbot like the Ukro one Chameini in Iran, the Nam leaders etc. Living in a Truman show is hard to digest, but you all do.

>>511373199
I see
another astroturfed russian thread
were russian bots talk to each other
this entire board is a joke

>>511367038
literally photoshopped
always the same with trannies, libtards, and globohomos

every single utterance is a lie in some form or fashion, they can't ever NOT lie.

no matter how good a weapon is, it often becomes nothing in the face of overwhelming numbers
germany could never match the production of the us and the ussr
this also leaves implications for america
china's weapons are poor in performance as always, but their production volume is very huge
america will have a headache about this

>>511373094
>Hitler: we need Panthers and Tigers and Tiger 2s and production lines for every assault gun and tank destroyer variant of each chasis!
>Stalin: just put a bigger gun on the T-34 lol

>>511372878
Its weird how the japs went from respectable to warmongering niggers commiting nonstop atrocities the moment the brits decided not to renew their alliance with them.

>>511372958
>Facts bring down my lies
I know anon. Welcome to /pol/.

>>511367114
*Gaza

>>511373516
Japs had been seething about Americans since 1905 when you negotiated the peace in the Russo-Japanese war, and didn't award Japan the massive war indemnities they felt they were entitled to.

You shamed them and made them lose face and they brooded about it for an entire generation.

>>511366900 (OP)
Internal sabotage .

>>511373807
by who?

>>511366900 (OP)
Simple.
Nazi retardation.
French incompetency.
Soviet incompetency.
Had France and Soviet Union have competent Generals, Germany would have been defeated much earlier.
Germany never stood a chance. Hence, Nazi retardation.

>>511373312
Entire site has been for long. Users spread their wings to other places like xitter. It's not hard to find relatively based people anymore.

>>511374222
funny
thats not what you say when you suck nigger cock every year in Normandy

>>511373424
The T34 is weird because there is a huge variation between early and late models, even pre-85mm. They didnt just make a small change to it, it was an incremental improvement.

They were outnumbered over 3:1 and had tiny amounts of land if you look at Axis vs Allies they punched multiple times above their weight. Quality over quanity loses to enough goyim-err Quantity.

>>511371517
your right, mixing the traditional religion and culture with Jewry was blaspheme, should have just embraced traditional paganism and killed all the Christ fags along with their Jew masters.

>>511374615
They outnumbered the Soviets by a million men on the eastern front through Barbarossa.
Germany stopped making gains once Soviet reinforcements arrived and they lost the numerical advantage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CqGeAmVu1I

>>511374380
T34 is a can of stinking useless shit, the total production and losses of all models of German armoured forces were a fraction of the T34 losses alone !
It's nothing but propaganda magic, vodka niggers immediately replaced it after the war .

>>511375031
thats what he said, you retarded russian nigger

>>511368801
Those aren't rapes in the UK, that's rapes in england.

>>511366900 (OP)
That's combatant casualties of european fronts of WW2. Guess who is who and who payed the most.

>>511370515
i would legitimately like to hear the stories and opinions of a bronze age commander shown modern total war
show a man used to the idea of posturing and being allowed to run away trenches boxing barrages and massed charges into belt feds lol you think you know mars? silly little shortboi you don't know shit

>>511366900 (OP)
>vastly superior weapons
they didn't

>fighting men
they didn't they were all on meth

>leaders
LOL

>>511376125
youre busy creating new VPNs, kike

>>511366900 (OP)
Hitler was a drug addled, war trauma, hypnotized manchurian candidate simple as.

He prevented Rommel from reinforcing southern France by his own orders which meant D-day was a success. Had Rommel gotten what he wanted it likely would have failed. He poured resources into useless wunderwaffe, he ordered the Wehrmacht to march around pointlessly chasing his drug fueled ghost. He invaded Russia when it was the most obvious strategic mistake that could be made.

He was a filthy socialist and just another flavor of commie because he was a Rothchild patsy and the whole point of Britain starting the war was to create Israel. Which makes Hitler the greatest ally of Zionism in history.

He helped kill close to 100 million Europeans as the offering for the creation of it. He was in every sense of the word a useful idiot that set the destruction of Western civilization in motion.

>>511370973
>>511371219
This is disingenuous. The Imhausen process wasn't developed for food, it was developed to convert coal into oil for fuel, lubricants etc. It was intended as a solution to Germany's dependency on foreign oil since Germany had huge coal reserves. Fat hydrogenation was invented by Wilhelm Normann a (non Jewish) German, but this doesn't involve coal it just converts unsaturated vegetable and fish oils into saturated fats more similar to animal fats.

>>511376211
the war against the soviets was a preventive war, you filthy kike
they were amassing millions of soldiers ready to attack

>>511366900 (OP)
turns out you can't win a war as a pariah state. The only exception to this seems to be Israel, ironically.

>>511375599
being that one of the sides was made up of more than a dozen countries plus the burning remains of bolshevik russia i'm guessing the big one is USSR

>>511368506
Population of england is 55m, that is mostly london.
Population of USA is over 300m

>>511373331
No shit.

>>511376294
>we wuz good boys that dindu nuffin
Just like in WW1, you were war mongering niggers that cry out in pain as you invade other countries.

>>511375033
The early models were definitely tin cans, but they were cheap to make and handled the 7.62 cannon very well. This was enough to turn the tide on the eastern front. And the latter models were quite decent. There's a reason why they are used to this day.
>vodka niggers immediately replaced it after the war
Because they proceeded to make the best tanks in the world until the late the americans came out with the M1. The soviets were consistently 1 generation ahead of the americans through the world war.

>>511376646
rich, coming from a russian nigger

>>511368801
>>511369528
You’re acting like a woman, stop it.

>>511376294
Hitler talked about invading the Soviet Union since, like, 1935. They would be crazy not to set up any form of defense. Also, the whole point of Barbarossa was that they were in a particularly vulnerable state due to internal issues.

>>511376900
they werent setting up defense or they wouldnt have been steamrolled
they were setting up an offensive attack

>>511366900 (OP)
>How did Germany lose WW2 when they had vastly superior weapons, fighting men, and leaders?
They didn't. They took over America. Operation Paperclip.

> Never made a true 4 engine bomber
> Never figured out mass production of mechanized / armored divisions
> Main logistical tool was literally donkeys
> Vastly underestimated the manufacturing capability of the United States


They never had a chance desu

>>511376879
>stat maxed chad vs macro virgin

>>511377059
and the next "1 post by this ID" kike post

>>511376294
This is the face of endless Kraut coping. You're the most cursed people on Earth. You birthed Marx, you protected Lenin on his march to Moscow, you sheltered Bolsheviks that created Weimar Germany. You have done more damage to Caucasians than any force of nature. They need to build a 400 foot wall around Germany and fill it with cement and I hope the vodka niggers finish you off because you keep trying to start a third world war to make things even worse.

>>511377140

Its over bro

>>511377059
>>511377140
He's right though.

You should take a look at how mid German ships were. Your navy sucked and some how you thought you're going to beat UK and America.

Bismarck needed 30% more displacement to make a categorically worse battleship than the USS North Carolina that launched around the same time.

>>511377285
>tf
>tp
youre entire post is projection

>>511376939
oil
either way they get steamrolled early game until their states are brought to heel and the fuel starts flowing
after which point you have the unending tide of russian armor to deal with

there is no conventional way for germany to beat the soviet union when mobilized
would have needed some kind of destabilizing effort, maybe turning some of the eastern states against russia
it doesn't really matter what you do as germany in that scenario, if the ussr manages to establish it's logistics network you lost already because total war is numbers and they have more

>>511377285
They've been the barbarian niggers of Europe since Roman times. Germans are the reason Europe can't have nice things.

TGD

>>511377452
you stupid kike
six years before Germany was entirely disarmed
we were fighting the whole war with one arm tied behind our back
of course others had an advantage, they always did
go suck a nigger cock, its all your shithole is good at

>>511377468
My great grandfather was SS and my great grandmother worked in concentration camps. There's not a day that I do not curse my Kraut blood for what it did to Europe and the world. I completely understand why my grandmother fucked off with an American occupation soldier. I know just how fucked you are because I have your dirty blood in my veins and I can feel how fucked that part of me is. It's knowing my own history and being embarrassed about it. I might as well be a fucking mulatto with these familial relations.

>>511377576
tell that to 20 million dead russians

>>511377750
sure he was kike

>>511377750
Why don’t you spill that blood out and from the soil a plant might grow and it will contribute more to the world than you.

>>511377651
Always excuses for your chimp outs.

It was obvious from the start you never stood a chance, yet you cursed Huns went ahead and kamikazed Europe anyway, cause you can't help being niggers.

>>511367274
>shit-tier allies
Hey man, we were fucked over by the kikes in WW1 after they literally started the war.

>>511377750
>my own history
their own history
you weren't fukken there

>>511377864
100 years later and we still live rentfree in your head

>>511377798
He was, and he was a sore loser that took it out on his kids. At the end of the war he murdered a ton of civilians and called them Partisans because he couldn't deal with it. Then he took it out on his kids and wouldn't let them forget his failures. The real kikes in all this are the Germans for enabling global Zionism. Without them it never would have happened. You replaced the Irish as the niggers of Europe. I probably am not even talking to a Kraut, probably some Turkish turd baby or the half Russian sprogs that make up the majority of Germany now. You're a dead people trying to take down the rest of the White world with you.

>>511378126
yawn
more kike projection

>>511377750
Too bad you faggots gave up so soon. World would have been a better place if you managed to hold out long enough to get nuked.

>>511376032
Technology probably makes men worse at war and strategic thought, in the same way it has made sports less interesting. Technology leads to minmaxxing which is not really in the spirit of Mars or Champion warfare which the human race developed to revere.
Ancient men probably were harder though considering every army had to be physically hacked down up close. It’s not really comparable to mindlessly blasting away with shells and maybe you don’t even know you die, or firing away at a horde of attacking infantry.
You see the eyes of the man who killed you and you see the eyes of every man you kill. It would be much more psychologically taxing.
Not to mention physically where if you falter for even a moment you are laid low.
But you can trip and fall and screw around in modern warfare.
It was 100% death in the past. Today it’s really only death if you physically trip onto a land mine or into an enemy, which is rare compared to how often you could fall or trip (from being tired) overall.

Today being sore and weak isn’t that bad. Back then if you needed even a second’s respite before lifting your shield it was over.
Not so today.

>>511377963
I am a product of said history and it's a real eye opener when you come to know the gritty details. I wouldn't be stealing oxygen without their mistakes and it's not lost on me. You might even say I feel it's a duty of mine to point out what a bunch of morons they all were, they had no honor and no brains.

>>511366900 (OP)
Blame the Greatest Generation for defeating the wrong enemy.

>>511378216
two kikes talking to each other

>>511378231
this must be the stupidest larp ive ever seen on this board
you retarded mexican nigger

>>511378216
That was obviously meant for (you) >>511377996

>>511366900 (OP)
lack of resources means they couldnt keep producing high end equipment. their gear at the end of the war was even with or inferior to what allies were using. they were also out of manpower, they were stretched too thin across too many fronts.

>>511373424
Panthers and Tigers were in development before the war began.

>>511378343
like I give a fuck about your stupid kike shit

>>511378309
Remember me the next time you go out and see your streets plagued by brownoids menacing you and remember you're blacker than the most purple niggers now.

>>511378231
at least one of them had both
rommel or whoever the tank cunt was
actually quite good general

>>511378236
>for defeating the wrong enemy
The godless larpagans that declared war on Christendom and every white country they could was the right enemy.

>>511378472
You give Americans a bad name. Why you trollan?

>>511378533
They didn’t actually fight any offensive wars.
Poland invaded the German city of Danzig.
France invaded Germany.
Britain declared war on Germany and sent troops to France.

>>511378472
drown in nigger piss

>>511378416
you are a profound waste of the bump limit
are you one of these mythical slider bots the retards are always screeching about
aapv0xsr3fo(-r)){}

>>511378692
are you?

>>511378550
Americans have a bad name because they went along with the Rothchild scheme and sacrificed their nation on the alter of Zionist subservience. It's a shithole with 1950's infrastructure meant for single family households trying to make slave labor and Keynesian crapanomics work when it never will. America should receive just as much hate as Germany when we let their failure influence us so much. We took their shitty problem and turned it into our foundational mythology. There's few things as bad as Krauts as the Americans who took up Hitler's torch and bent over for global Zionism immediately after watching it core out Europe. There won't be any survivors if you can't figure out the basics.

>>511378865
>>511378659

>>511378597
>8 million dead germans + 14 million more wounded and captured
>just to make Danzig officially Polish again
Its not the destination, but the journey that counts

>>511366900 (OP)
WUNDER WAFFLE weapons were stupid. Economy of war still matters.
If America can mass produce 90% as effective weapons for far cheaper than Germany it is a huge advantage.
This is why China is so worrying for western leaders. China basically is doing the same thing right now.

>>511377468
the difference is your pic is coping fantasy, what that anon said was reality. germany has always been the enemy of civilization

>>511379225
lol

>>511379122
not nearly 90% but yeah lol
even if the ronsons did light first every time there were twenty of the fucking things for every tank on the german side
the ancient rule of war taught to the french by peasant footman: a godlike soldier gets killed by shitty soldiers if there's a fuckton of them

>>511366900 (OP)
>doesn’t know Germany didn’t have shit to build tanks

>>511379519
Was there no one in his government that understood how the German industry worked or did he just ignore everyone that told him he was an idiot?

>>511380001
still makes you seethe 100 years later

>>511367672
Nato as well I think, or the un maybe

>>511379382
weimar was worse and the only reason jews have any power is your country. then you tried "fixing" the problem you created and ended up killing a bunch of white people and solidifying the jew's grasp on civilization for the next hundred years. way to go, goymany!

>>511380001
Germans understood industry very well (still do) what the lacked was manpower so they put more emphasis on better weapons
however they got a little too autistic and made things too hard to repair in the field, which ironically was something Americans excel in, which is taking shortcuts and making repairs easy because we are lazy

>>511380200
apparently americans have no agency, but germans from 100 years ago do
you sound like a nigger blamng the white man

>>511380312
ignore him, he is probably underage and retarded and doesn't understand how much freemasons have a grip on this nation

>>511367622
memeflaggot is right

also ultra broke all encyrpted communications
the allies basically knew exactly where the germans were mobilising and when

>>511380200
We can thank Goymany for the existence of Ashkenazi Jews too. They speak yiddish, a mix of Hebrew and GERMAN. They push the Khazarian hoax to try and absolve themselves, but they're not fooling anyone.

>>511380445
Another case of German arrogance
>design Enigma with a simple but significant flaw: the output character can never = the input character
>have poor practices in communication like starting every message with the same greeting
>allow an intact enigma machine and the code book to be captured and still pretend their comms were private

>>511366900 (OP)
>>511367085
literally this.
bad leader who didn't listen to his very own vetted generals and thought he could intervene unlike someone who went to officer school.
>not killing everyone in dunkirk
>killing u-boat program
>shilling afrika korps
>shilling barbarossa
like wow. all bad moves.
Unironically, and literally, that's how they lost.
Imagine your team is winning a halo 2 match, and some retard n00b takes the remote during pro tournament and fucks the game up

>>511380907
they tower like giants above your worthless nigger existence
keep seething

>>511381081
>another 1 post by this Id kike post
the soviet war was a preventive war
this entire board is a fuckign joke

>>511377285

Dumb ass, this anon has never ready a history book on World War II. I bet you don't even know Paton died in a "car accident"

>>511377468
hes right. You arrogant nazi shit eaters need to be destroyed completely to keep europe safe.

>>511366900 (OP)

>Have most of the world come after you, throwing everything they had including millions of cannon fodder
>HOW DID THEY LOSE!

>>511366900 (OP)
>superior fighting machines
Yes. But failed at mass producing them.
It doesn't matter that there are stories about single tiger tanks stopping columns of dozens of shermans, if allied air power wrecks everything, the russians send in a hundred T34s for every german tank, the d-day landings have only 2 german planes available for defense, and the allies build more ships per month than german submarines can sink
>Fighting men
The brits wrote that two account for their strength of conviction, the allies need to bring 1.5 times the men and material to achieve the same results. The allies outnumbered the axis 8 to 1.
>better leaders
Hitler failed to gain any real allies. He lost because he couldn't help himself bullying france. (if he just installed petain and left, the english sinking the french fleet would seem like a terrible betrayal, the US wouldn't see germany as an existential threat and the brits would make peace, which in our timeline failed by 4 votes because of how hitler treated the french) His only real ally was Japan, which he couldn't interact or work with. And european subjects. If he had a more concrete vision for conquered peoples he might have won. If he actually offered the russians an alternative other than mass death (and not only in 1944 when the front is collapsing) there would be millions of ex-commies who would have happily joined up with him

>>511382787
and another "1 post by this Id"
this entire thread is a joke

>>511382040
>1 post by this ID

>>511366900 (OP)
>they had vastly superior weapons, fighting men, and leaders?

they didn't

>>511383159
go suck a nigger dick

>>511383392
why so much seething?

>>511383433
go back to your containment board tranny

>>511366900 (OP)
>when they had vastly superior weapons, fighting men, and leaders?
if only two of those things were actually true, they would have won. otherwise the war was lost the moment they invaded the soviet union.

>>511383808
did you tell that to the 20 million dead russians?

>>511383084
You think that hitler killed himself which i think says it all about the state you are in mentally.
It’s time we got rid of poo’s, pedo’s & politicians. The pees are a burden to humanity.

>>511383808
I forgot
>1 post by this ID

War is a numbers game more than anything else. Soviets had more people and more tanks and more fuel and it doesn't matter that the German tanks were way better, there were fewer of them

>>511366900 (OP)
>fighting men
are you fucking retarded?

>>511384029
If he ran away he's an even bigger coward.

Lets ask the seething German. Hey Hun boy, did Hitler kill himself or just run away and hide?>>511384057

>>511366900 (OP)
Churchill dragged the Us and both the UK and us backed the USSR, instead of joining Germany against the red kike menace

>>511384338
go fuck yourslef and your shitskin thread

>>511384338
>>>511384029
>If he ran away he's an even bigger coward.
>
>Lets ask the seething German. Hey Hun boy, did Hitler kill himself or just run away and hide?>>511384057

>>511384441
Why are you so mad? 46 pbtid and all you've done is screech about "1 pbtid" and accuse everyone of seething while being unable to address any of the points.

You lost, get over it.

>>511384558
>Why are you so mad? 46 pbtid and all you've done is screech about "1 pbtid" and accuse everyone of seething while being unable to address any of the points.
>
>You lost, get over it.

>>511366900 (OP)
>vastly superior weapons
Not even close. They often had objectively worse weapons and also often lacked supplies and food.
>fighting men
They were about on par with the British and Americans. They were better 1:1 against the French and Russians, sure.
>leaders
They literally had a suicidal delusional idiot as the leader. Good leaders like Guderian and Rommel were just overruled by him.

>>511366900 (OP)
Jews fight wars a little differently to white people, and you have to remember that this was a war against Judea, not little israel but the true jewish nation

Jews fight to kill leaders and leadership, and to stymie progress, jewish doctrine imposes that qualified generals be killed and the inferior be given a route upwards, jewish doctrine focuses on the logistics of war at the expense of men

So in fact; leadership elements particularly in diplomacy were cut off, logistics and fear were weaponized to make the German fight his own, and in his own territories

Allies of Germany overseas were killed before the war began, notably huey long and that polish guy (poles your language is for a strange animal and not for people), as well as lenin to stabilize Russia for conflict

When you fight Judea you fight an empire without borders, which uses nations and people alike as tools in their schemes, the best way to handle a war like that is to fight the people involved, rather than the golems, so really Germany would have been better served being defensive, rather than offensive

t.a very stoned analysis of world war 2, the less important war

>>511384789
aka they are extremely competent.
inb4 “but they aren’t supposed to win doing it this way!!!”
This is war, cherrypie.

>>511385312
Actually not really, what I described is a doctrine, it was successful here because it was relevant here, but looking at the war strategically it has been a net loss for jews, as their attacking the culture/history of the loser has basically created a holocaust myth that their enemies have now embraced, and unfortunately what is dead may never die

You have things you're skilled at, you have things you're poor at, no one will ever insult your adherence to subterfuge

>>511384789
>this was a war against Judea
>invades white christian countries
>doesnt invade Judea

>>511385653
Place judea on a map and get the thread banished to the shadow realm
>Things you shouldn't say online ever for any reason

>>511366900 (OP)
Nigger

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