Thread 512495315

Why is nobody bringing up the fact that all these new "scrolls" could be faked to create all these new modern bibles? They did 9/11 which is 1000x harder than spoofing fake scrolls. Am I missing something here? Why do people blindly believe these new ancient Hebrew and Greek manuscripts are real?

>>512495315 (OP)
People just don't want to think too hard. The Secret Gospel of Mark is probably true, otherwise there is a weird anomaly with that naked lad.

Why would God create confusion, especially concerning the bible? He can't even give us that foundation to believe in?

>>512495735
>why would god troll his followers
not sure

>>512495778
That is one way to put it.
I struggle with these things...

>>512495315 (OP)
What new manuscripts are you talking about Goatfucker.
Muslims did 9/11 quit trying to be a retarded guy with limited English skills trying to gaslight Americans.

>>512496018
Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus

dumb fuck use your head.

>>512495778
>>512495837
it's almost as if it was written by humans in different places and times, and then later haphazardly put together to make it look like one coherent corpus... but what do I know

>>512496235
ever hear of the dead sea scrolls?

>>512497032
yep total BS.

stick with the KJV or prior Bibles. however, be careful with the KJV. it has a bias towards a masculine tone, and you might lose out on some of the feelings of love communicated in scripture

the new versions i think communicate love a bit better. the older versions are more doctrinally sound

its funny, the state of the Churches reflect this also. like, the Churches that use KJV mostly are almost robotic, overly masculine etc. but the ones using the newer versions are overly effeminate. find the balance. get a strongs concordance, issues where clear doctrine are concerned, use the KJV. for "feelings" or trying to "get the spirit" or "the vibe", the KJV doesn't nessecarily always capture that i think

freemasons push the KJV for a reason, because they have a masculine bias. so be careful of that

>>512497301
the true worshippers will worship in spirit and truth

truth = KJV
spirit = some of the newer versions and even contemporary churches, can sometimes manage to catch that better

>>512497301
why wouldn't God give us a complete and perfect bible? why should i be doubting my bible when reading it?

>>512497543
the KJV is a complete and perfect Bible, just saying that the way it uses language sometimes...it can fail to capture the feeling of "agape love". its very authoritative and masculine in its tone...so when you want strict accurate doctrine, reach for the KJV. when you want to try to understand some of the feelings, the KJV might not nessecarily be the best option. maybe use a dictionary or your strongs concordance instead

this is reflected in Churches. the KJV baptist churches can sometimes be a bit cold (the truth). but a more contemporary church is welcoming and the people there have joy (the spirit)

>>512498114
it might just be the english language too. its very "left brained". very robotic

>>512495473
I like The Infancy Gospels of Thomas actually.
>Jesus murdered 3 people in his lifetime. He brought 2 back to life, one he let rot out of spite.

If you haven't studied the Word of God in every langauge since Babbylon (Amharic>Aramaic>Hebrew>Greek>Latin>German>English) are you even a Christian? If you're not fighting over the conjugation of a verb or the meaning of a noun or the dicritic marks on some Semitic sand-scribble, you're a fuckin' poser who's following a twenty-century old trend just 'cuz your parents did it.

>>512498355
Kys kike

>>512498481
part of me thinks this too. where do we draw the line? i suppose that is where faith comes in.

>>512497543
The KJV itself has margin notes that offer alternative translations. Idiots like Steven Anderson don't understand what Matthew 25:7 means.

>>512499031
>Idiots like Steven Anderson

hes definitely NOT an idiot, just super rigid. that can be appreciated in this day and age

>>512495315 (OP)
You can actually go and read a large amount of the original transcripts in Aramaic to judge how accurate a translation each version holds though

>>512495315 (OP)
KJV onlyists have got to be the biggest retards out there
>God said His word would be perfectly preserved, therefore it's the KJV!!!!
>Uh, so doesn't that mean it wasn't perfectly preserved before the KJV?
Then again they're always americans, so what else would you expect?

>>512499381
Steven Anderson is an idiot. Matthew 25 is a perfect example. "They never had oil to begin with!" That's God showing us what a fool Steven is.

>>512499528
ok so... whats the solution? thousands of translations, all meaning different things?

where do you draw the line? surely somewhere. its either all or nothing. 1 perfect book or none of them are perfect and meaning of verses are up for debate.

there are many verses in KJV when compared against ESV/NIV/NLT that completely change salvation, and as more modern bibles that come out the more blurred it gets.

>>512499723
you are the idiot

>>512499528
You obviously have never actually looked into the reasoning. Only Ruckmanites reject the originals, everyone else recognises the Received Text as the divinely preserved word of God in the original languages. When translated accurately it is the word of God in the target language. For English, this is the Authorised (King James) Version. In Spanish it is the Reina Valera, in Dutch it is the Statenvertaling, in German Luther's translation, etc.

>>512499870
use the KJV. use dictionaries and strongs concordance to uncover meanings of words, context and extrpolate. its not hard. advocate KJV but dont be an overly obnoxious KJV zealot. yes the newer translations have corruptions

>>512499916
This isn't a game, kike.

>>512495315 (OP)
Why do you need more books?

>>512495473
>naked lad
The one covered in cloth?
>memeflag

Why are kikes just constantly lying for no reason?

>>512497301
>oy vey don’t read the KJV, it’s masculine and masculinity is… LE BAD
>memeflag

>>512495315 (OP)
Who fucking cares >>>/rel/

>>512500059
character assasination is the favorite method of viperous snakes like you. unfortunately slandering doesn't work on people with 2 brain cells to rub together, that judge the actual content and substance of whats being said, and looks at the context

>>512500255
You cared enough to come into this thread instead of spending your time in a bbc thread or a thread about aliens.

>>512500250
overly masculine is bad. freemasons are spiritually dead torah worshippers, so over masculinity is perfect for them. they are black cube saturn worshippers like jews

Pastor Steven Anderson

King James Bible

Matthew 5:6 7

Farizeeen 8 : 3

>>512500265
So was Steven Anderson right about Matthew 25 or was he wrong. Simple question, kike. Nothing character related about that

>>512499723
interesting... why would his children lie?

>>512495315 (OP)
So? What's your thesis in light of this? There are multiple Koran versions too with textual differences. Same with Buddhist scriptures. Etc.

>>512495315 (OP)
>>46 books written 100 years after kike dies
>>many books left out cause they cant agree what is cannon or not

Literally you faggots are no better than trekkies. Fucking die, every last one of you. Kill yourselves. Your existence is a fucking joke and waste of a soul.

>>512495315 (OP)
https://jaysanalysis.com/2018/08/16/refutation-of-the-protestant-canon-of-scripture-jay-dyer/

>>512495315 (OP)
>muh bibble
don't care

>>512500318
>come on Christcuc— I mean fellow Christians!
>don’t you know you should be less masculine!?
>memeflag

>>512500296
The ayylmao threads will be forgotten in a day, bbc gets treated by jannies. But the religion spam will go on forever.

>>512500663
Surely coming in here and telling us to go to a board that doesn’t exist will fix that

Thanks for the bumps, retard.

>>512495315 (OP)
online translations that have a greek or hebrew step-through is the way to go.

anytime you want, you can get the original greek and question that specific translation.

becoming somewhat knowledgable on greek (and to a lesser extent hebrew) is really a big deal - 2 timothy 2:15

>>512495315 (OP)
>Why is nobody bringing up the fact that all these new "scrolls" could be faked to create all these new modern bibles?
The Bible as we know it was compiled in the 4th century. Now ask yourself, which texts were deemed canon, which ones weren’t, why, and what happened to those that were excluded?
And that was just the beginning.

>>512500773
I have the SWORD app on my iPad and it will give you every single original word in the Greek or Hebrew in a column. Lately I learned to read Hebrew, most of the words are close enough to English to be able to read it if you open your mind a bit too.

>>512500957
why do you blindy trust those greek and hebrew manuscripts over the TR? people like james white make me skeptical. guy gives off occult dark vibes.

>>512502314
Do you even know what the Vetus Latina is?

Anyway present your actual thesis. Is it 'bibles don't totally agree in translation?' If so then the Koran has many problems, the old Sutras too.

>>512503053
don't care really esp if it has anything to do with catholics, as TR uses numerous compiled which to me makes it much more trustworthy

>>512499870
>whats the solution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne40DYcPlnk
it must be explained with memes

>>512503599
>don't care really
that's kinda gay anon

>>512495315 (OP)
What an absolute tard. LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>512497301
How about not reading Jewish fairytales?

>>512503915
the video is very misguiding. the new translations have an agenda, to mix up the antichrist, with Jesus Christ, particularily in key passages within The New Testament. certain doctrines are attacked, or made unclear, like the trinity. and certain verses are weakened or totally omitted. generally dont go near these newer translations, especially NOT for doctrine

>>512504335
the newer translations do well with love, or communicating that love, because that is the one world new world order agenda. so they're fine with translating some of that stuff, but then they omit verses about Hell, or muddy verses about e.g being angry, so that its ALL love, which The Bible is not. so while there is something useful to glean, stay away if you dont want your mind corrupted with a false new age effeminate Christianity. stick with the KJV which is stabilized (doesn't change all the time), or previous versions, and the greek and hebrew texts, along with study dictionaries and strongs. stay away from commentaries. and then find a good preacher

>>512504335
exactly. KJV just hard to read and understand. i will sometimes read nkjv but it is perverted a lot of scripture AND removed important stuff.

I don't think believing something to the point of death makes it true.
They interviewed these mormon kids at BYU, mostly good people. This girl goes "thats why I don't drink, as one day I will see Joseph Smith in Heaven".

You could tell yourself whatever bullshit you want to if it makes you feel better.

When these different denominations of christianity claim they're all the right version its silly.

Why wouldn't this super-intelligent deity system we live in not clarify this?

"Hey, since you guys mean well, Imma let you know this is how I want you to do rituals"

>>512498114
The KJV is the worst Bible out there. It has removed God's name completely with the exception of ONE verse. God's name in the Bible was in it over 7,000 times and the authors removed it out of personal bias. The KJV is also full of spurious verses as well.

God's name in the Bible was in it 7,000 times. In English pronounced Jehovah. The KJV removed it completely all except for ONE VERSE. Who gave those scholars the right to remove God's personal name? If you had an autobiography and you wanted me to publish it would you compromise your own name in it? What does God think of people removing his name?

My problem with KJV-only thinking is that you need to know what the bible actually says not in translation already.

Two examples of translation problems that I've personally seen warp people's beliefs are:

1. "Thou shalt not kill." There was no distinction between kill and murder at the time in English, but there is a clear distinction in Hebrew and the commandment is actually "thou shalt not murder."

2. In 2 Timothy the KJV says "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." The Greek word is not divide, but "make straight." Because it is translated this way, I've seen many KJV believers start to espouse either a great separation between the OT and the NT, using it to justify them not having to do a single good work or to lift a hand to even act like a Christian it seems. Or I've seen them use it to teach some heretical dispensation theology. The bible is one book. It needs to be correctly interpreted as a whole, there is no law vs gospel distinction. The law mattered at that period in time for very specific reasons.

(3.)All different words for hell translated as the one word: Hell without distinction.

The Bible teaches of two kinds of hells.

Hebrew

>Sheol and Gehenna

Greek

>Hades and Lake of fire

KJV translated them all as "hell."

>>512506259
>Why wouldn't this super-intelligent deity system we live in not clarify this?

It was clarified with the Bible. What you don't understand is that 99% of sects don't actually use nor believe it. Mormons openly don't believe in the Bible. But everyone else pretends to believe the Bible but secretly don't.

>>512506393
What if they live clean lives? I guarantee those mormon kids are mostly better people than others. They're just believing what they were told, which is all anyone does really.

KJV is full of mathematical codes, check out this guys videos, its pretty nuts
https://www.youtube.com/@TruthisChrist/videos

>>512506478
math codes are for schizos

>>512506586
specifically gematria is for crackpot schizos, not actual number meanings, e.g 666 or the number 7 representing sabbath/completion

>>512506586
oh shit I didnt even think of that, good point my jewish friend

>>512495315 (OP)
>Why is nobody bringing up the fact that all these new "scrolls" could be faked to create all these new modern bibles?

I'm Christian and I do.
The Bible is for me no more than the first step towards heaven.
It is the word of God but it's also corrupted by the hands of man.
You need to read everything, cross reference and test it.

>>512506802
jews literally engage in gemtaria retard

>>512506393
This anon is correct. Most people on this planet that claim to be religious don't even read their holy book, the most basic thing you can do to understand it. Without reading the bible, you may as well just believe whatever cult you want (like Mormonism) because you just believe what you're told

>>512495315 (OP)
If you can't trust and know the right bible off of gut instinct, you are not the one to be saved.
KJV

>>512506478
>>512506586
I really like that channel.
Despite the many issues in the actual text, it make a good point the signature of God is there.
It makes me believe that even though evil men tried to corrupt the Word, God still made it sure that it was preserved in some way.

But he doesn't really talk about "math codes" but the repeating patterns. How many times some keywords are repeated. Words referring to Jesus or God are usually powers of 7 or with multiple digits of 7 (like 77 or 777) or things like that and there're tons of such "coincidences".

>>512506868
oh ok, hard enough to fit daily bible reading into my life now i have to cross reference 10 different bibles and become a scholar? ok.

>>512507157
>Words referring to Jesus or God are usually powers of 7 or with multiple digits of 7 (like 77 or 777) or things like that and there're tons of such "coincidences".

waste of time. you're going down a schizo rabbit hole time waster distraction if you start messing with that stuff

>>512495315 (OP)
KJV is made by a fag and it uses the retarded language, why are Anglets so hung up on it ?
Wouldn't the Wycliffe Bible be the way to go ?

>>512507326
exactly my point how vaxxtards and modern bible readers source and belive anything they read. imagine believing anything on jew owned propaganda wikipedia. crazy.

>>512495315 (OP)
Why is nobody bringing up the fact that all these "new" scrolls could be real and should be added to the canon?

Modern christianity was the result of kikes and romans coming together to subdue uppity christian yihadists, one if not the most successful psyop in history, maybe only second to commercial "cow milk". 1000x harder than doing 9/11.

you can carbon date scrolls, they aren't "new" they were discovered in the 40s and only cover the Old Testament. Other versions of the bible like the NRSV try to "average" out oldest texts we have and try to give a more "word by word" translation of the Bible. KJV is probably one of the worst versions. They didn't have new discoveries or tech to get more accurate translations, and King James I asked the translators to add titles like "Bishop" or get rid of mentions of the word "tyrant" because the English Civil War was about the Anglican church v other non-state controlled versions of protestantism.

>>512507471
why would you believe anything in modern world? literally everything is fake and bullshit.

>>512507553
My point, thanks.

>>512507490
ya who carbon dated them? did you personally? only a small select group of people have. why would you believe them. by god they convinced billions of retard to inject themselves with poison using fake science studies and articles.

>>512507654
>carbon dated
It's horse shit.

>>512506476
Also
>Christianity (other than Mormonism): God made people from dirt, split the sea, Moses turned sticks into snakes, Jesus walked on water, resurrected the dead and himself, healed the sick, cast demons into pigs, turned water into wine, etc
>Totally believable
>Mormons: an angel appeared to Smith
>Lmao get out of here it's ridiculous it can't happen
How is this possible

>>512507471
Well if you mean gnostic texts found in the 50s like the Nag Hammadi, the asskicker is that none of them are "new" and we knew about them because people like Athanasius of Alexander wrote a lot of letters discrediting them as not gospel. Paul and Peter, literally a guy who knew Jesus personally and was a disciple, also writes against them. We never knew what they were talking against because we only managed to find some texts in the sand. If anything, it confirms even the original writers of the Bible were pretty rigorous in discrediting "gnostic" texts even in the pre-literate and pre-printing press society.

>>512507437
I guess you know the life of James better because why exactly ?
He appeared to you in a dream, he authorized the bible so he can't be wrong, you don't want it to be real so it can't be real or what ?
Same with that English king who couldn't get a divorce so he started a new church, absolute lmao.
Wycliffe was a scholar so his bible should be the most trustworthy one.

>>512507782
Idk senpai, a lot of people documented and wrote about Jesus. Jesus never wrote about himself. Ppl cite how the Bible is a bunch of different authors and text and is inconsistent, but if anything that kind of proves its worthiness. If you had several witnesses to a crime, they would all say slightly different things but their story overall would average to the same major points. Like what the Gospel does. It is sus when one person writes a religious text overnight, and then proclaims it was magically given to him. And we have a lot of witnesses and good modern records of John Smith. Polygamy wasn't even in the book of Mormon until John was cheating on his wife, and then he decided to canonize polygamy.

>>512507799
There's no "rigorous discrediting", it was a political act of "canon formation" to build a narrative. Athanasius lived in the 4th century and he was part of the power consolidation labeling texts "heretical" so they could unify doctrine under one imperial friendly version of christianity. What i was saying about kikes and romans psyopping uppity christians. The nag hammadi isn't new, that's why i used quotes, and the canon we have today is just the winning political faction's playlist

>>512507961
modern scholars are a joke. have you talked to any of them? they are lukewarm libtards, no different than your average indoctrinated college student. all them have in common? that KJV is a terrible bible.

>>512497301
it's not bias, it's nature, and it's scripturally sound for men to rule over women
you look like an idiot decrying masculine bias wearing this flag

>>512495315 (OP)
revised standard version is clearly superior

>>512508304
any bible approved by Catholics i know to stay far away from. at least that is easy to decipher.

>>512506476
>What if they live clean lives?

Depends on your definition of "cleanliness." The Bible describes physical and moral cleanliness, but it also demands SPIRITUAL cleanliness as well.

>(2 Corinthians 6:17) “‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.’”

>Revelation 18:4
4And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.

>(2 Peter 2:1) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.

>(1 Timothy 4:1) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons,

>>512508274
tell us more chosen undead

>>512495315 (OP)
You have to carefully pick the translation that is easier to interpret to mean the things you wish it meant.

>>512508242
>part of a power labeling texts heretical
Athenasius and what army? Rome still considered Christianity heretical at the time up until the time of his death, little groups of people could have practiced whatever they wanted he preceded any "Holy Roman Empire and The Inquisition". Most of the gnostic gospels were not canonized through rigorous analysis and debate, like when we decided that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost were part of a trinity and that Jesus wasn't secretly the Demiurge and that's why Judas betrayed him.

>>512508201
>Idk senpai, a lot of people documented and wrote about Jesus.
Not really, mostly just people in the Bible
>Jesus never wrote about himself.
And that's a good thing why ? If there was a gospel according to Jesus you'd all be all over it as an ultimate proof so that's bullshit.
>Ppl cite how the Bible is a bunch of different authors and text and is inconsistent, but if anything that kind of proves its worthiness. If you had several witnesses to a crime, they would all say slightly different things but their story overall would average to the same major points. Like what the Gospel does.
They literally got the genealogy of Jesus wrong, if you think inconsistency means accuracy you're coping hard
>It is sus when one person writes a religious text overnight, and then proclaims it was magically given to him.
You mean like Moses and 10 commandments ?
>And we have a lot of witnesses and good modern records of John Smith.
So when Jesus has witnesses it means it's real but when Smith has witnesses it means it's fake ? Wow.
>Polygamy wasn't even in the book of Mormon until John was cheating on his wife, and then he decided to canonize polygamy.
And Epistles say a bunch of things Jesus never said
I'm not saying Mormonism is real btw, I'm saying it's all fake but the double standard is just funny.

>>512495315 (OP)
Douay Rheims is the correct answer

>>512508257
Yes but you have no arguments to prove KJV is better than Wycliffe.
>modern scholars are a joke.
So are Christians with their worship of Jews, especially American Evangelical Protestants who use KJV

>>512508748
>not really, just people in the Bible
Stopped reading there ngl. You're a retard. Don't @ me

>>512508702
This is pointless, you're trying to sidestep by making Athanasius look like some lone bishop before christianity seized political power, but he wasn't. He was the bishop of Alexandria, one of the most influential in the entire christian world, and he was deep into imperial politics even before Constantine "accepted" christianity. By Athanasius' time the power consolidation was already happening and what you call "rigorous analysis" was really just a handful of political goons deciding the best narrative for what the emerging orthodoxy would allow to reach the people as canon.

The canon has never been about veracity or academic analysis for the sake of truth, it was political and that's it. Christianity has been double kiked from the moment its founder died. That some of you trust what a bunch of politicians decided to do with it hundreds of years later is beyond me kek.

>>512509147
I said
>Not really, MOSTLY just people in the Bible
You (((quoted)))
>not really, just people in the Bible
So you copypasted it and then deleted a word to change the meaning of the sentence even though there's no way you can get away with it.
Truly a Jewish religion that makes you act like a kike.
Go on, post the Pilate's letter about Le Tall And Blonde Le Jesus Da Vayking kek

>>512498691
cry about it you had gospels which have him kill people and the only reason it didn't get into the canon was due to some seperate autistic issue; meaning early Christians didn't have a problem with Christ sperging out at a teacher and killing him like a school shooter for trying to teach him how to read and write.

>>512496235
>Codex Sinaiticus
Isn't that the Gospels in Coptic?

>>512509603
you see how modern kikery fake scrolls have diluded the gullible? how many booster shots have you had.

>>512495315 (OP)
The difference between the KJV and modern translations made with additional manuscripts from the Dead Sea scrolls are almost nonexistent to the average reader. The differences are in spelling and slight word adjustments that don't actually change the meaning of the translation into English.

>>512509881
i mean, kjv vs modern bibles is HUGE. 1 example being saved vs am saved. the implications this 1 minor wording change is fundamental.

>>512495315 (OP)
Forget about spoofing, they literally chose which scrolls to include and which not to in the first place.

>>512510324
you refering to the fake ones that were found in the 70s lmao. or the fake dead sea scrolls

>>512495315 (OP)
King James had all the scrolls they could find brought to England around 1600 AD along with scribes from around the world.
They translated and wrote the KJV just the way he wanted it. Then he ordered all the scroll burned, and cut the heads off of every scribe. In 1611 he published the KJV in a completely new language, that no one could understand except the freemasons who created "modern english" The king created the institutionalizes school system and forced all children to be indoctrinated and taught only modern english while their parents only spoke middle english, making it hard for parents to communicate with their children.
Bhildre were forbidden to learn middle english or to speak it, any parent who complained was beheaded.
Middle english was still Germanic -french, and natural language based, making it easy for middle english speakes to communicate with their cousins in europe. this new modern english was NOT natural instinctive language, Modern English is engineered, and was used to divide, enslave, and set the british isles apart from europe. James' own Mother was raised in France before being imprisoned by Elizabeth for more than a decade before she was guillotined in front of her son James. some legends even say the James was forced to pull the cord, killing Mary to prove his loyalty to the crown.

And you ask us to accept the KJV as legitimate? May God have mercy on your soul.

Give me a list of Bible versions to AVOID
>>512510386
How were they determined to be fake? Were they scanned with a process similar to carbon dating to determine their true age?

>>512510569
you the type to trust the science too?

>>512510659
>the scrolls are real
>source: trust me bro
>nuh-uh, the scrolls are fake and gay
>source: trust me bro
How about you actually answer my fucking question.

>>512510529
You mean that Tyndale translated it from Byzantine scrolls then the crown hired hundreds of guys to do minimal edits of it.

>>512510249
What verse are you referring to?

>>512510749
trust the science bro. you cannot believe anything anymore, you think satan trying to pervert the bible with modern versions is not happening?

1 Corinthians 1:18

KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

ESV
For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

>>512511409
>modern
How's KJV not modern?

>>512511409
>being saved vs ARE saved

damn, so sneaky. so insidious. that will make people believe in works based salvation

>>512496453
Balaams donkey couldn't walk on two legs, lying kike. That's retarded

>"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
— Revelation 22:16 (NIV)
>"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
— Revelation 22:16 (NIV)

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!"
— Isaiah 14:12 (NIV)14:12 (KJV)

>>512510985
The Gutenberg Bible, was completed during the autumn of 1455 It was printed in Mainz, Germany, by Johannes Gutenberg. The printing process involved using a wooden printing press, metal types, and oil-based ink.
Only 48 of them are known to still exist today, and of those only 21 are intact, and complete.
Somebody went to a lot of trouble to destroy them.

>>512495315 (OP)
>Christians can't agree on a bible

LOL

>>512511842
The bright morning star was better known a Lucifer.

Don't listen to KJV memeflag.

The most accurate Bible is the 1995 NASB. Do your research and it will say the same thing. Also not written in confusing middle English.

>>512512489
NASB is a modern joke. Its nowhere the same Bible as KJV.

https://av1611.com/kjbp/charts/various.html

Read for yourself and compare, and ask yourself with these verses changed and some outright OMMITED... what does that do? What does it accomplish.

>>512512692
Matthew 17:21
21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

Why remove a verse in all modern bibles, something that they know works so well to cast out devils? hmmm.

>>512511409
>still no answer
Wtf

Matthew was the only one of the 12 to make it to old age, and confirmed to have died of natural causes. While Jesus asked John to take Mary to Göbeklitepe and care for her until she passed, we never heard from him again. Saul/Paul found many different accounts of "Johns" and may have erroneously included them in his works.
Due to the popularity of John the Baptist, before Jesus' time, there were hundreds of men calling themselves John going around baptizing. The stories of John bring imprisoned, and John being murdered, are questionable. I very much doubt that John would not have done as Jesus asked, he would have taken care of Mary in Turkey.

After the ascension, Matthew returned to his home in Ethiopia spreading the word of God, and he compiled the Ethiopian bible. I'll take Matthew's words over Saul's any-day.

>>512513350
>While Jesus asked John to take Mary to Göbeklitepe
>to Göbeklitepe

>>512513350
>While Jesus asked John to take Mary to Göbeklitepe
He what

Jesus dictated 7 letters to John to be delivered to seven churches in Asia Minor (Turkey).

Some would have you believe that Jesus wrote letters and sent them all over the world as if there was a postal service. those stories are Sunday school cartoons. Jesus did not write ever period.

The word of God is not written, it is spoken.
When you pray, do it aloud. Science has proven (inverse square) that words (sound) travels infinitely .

>>512513058
don't expect actual answers, you got people in the same thread saying shit like "theres no real differences" and meaningful changes like the word murder being changed to kill, the meaning matters and theres people shilling a bible from 1619 as a nonmodern unadulterated version. the dss and siniaticus guy is right. go for the earliest source you can find, sucks you have to treat bible study like a hipster topic but it's the best we got until an earlier writing gets "discovered" then its gonna be a shitshow of verifying it all over again.

>>512495735
Because a few men tried to build a really tall building one time.

>>512513461
>Göbeklitepe
Founded By Noah himself. Noah lived there for 300 years restoring the animal population, and then he died. Göbeklitepe was sanctuary. His sons Japheth, Ham, and Shem all kept in contact.

>>512512692

Those passages were not in the original manuscripts, and they are doubted, so why keep them in?
Your assertion that "more bible = better" at all costs is dumb.
The Johannine Comma is the worst example. That passage was outright proven beyond a doubt to be a later addition. And the KJV leaves it in?
You can argue all day about how the Holy Spirit approved the addition and inspired the KJV translaters to leave it in, but that's the only argument you have.

>>512508702
>and that Jesus wasn't secretly the Demiurge and that's why Judas betrayed him
Gnostics do not consider Jesus the Demiurge. We consider the OT God to be the Demiurge. Jesus is the actual God.

>>512513964
>murder being changed to kill
if you even hate, you are a murderer.
1 John 3:15

Obviously imperialist who want to conquer the world, would not want you to know that, they need their soldiers.

>>512514100
>a few men tried to build a really tall building one time.
It was a lot more than a few men. It was a cult of millions. While they were building, If a man fell to his death, they did not even pause, but if one brick was dropped they mourned it's loss.

"God stopped the sun in the sky, and brought it down upon the temple, melting it into the earth"

>>512514464
* tower, not temple

>>512514464
>>512514496
Nice head canon, but none of it is in the story, the descendants of noah just wanted a central gathering place after god flooded the world and left only one peoples, but god got jealous of their ability to cooperate and punished them.

>11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

>3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

>5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

>8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.

That is the entire story, nothing like what you said is mentioned and the genealogy in genesis 9 and 10 doesn't say anything about millions of people existing at that point. Your quote is from a completely different book and tower, the one he ruined language to stop just stopped being built midway.

>>512514190
There was no such thing as commas or punctuation in ancient Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek, commas came much much later.

Many mistranslated arise from comma placement.

The phrase "Today you will be with me in paradise" is a quote from the Bible, specifically Luke 23:43. It is Jesus's response to a repentant thief crucified alongside him. This verse is interpreted as Jesus assuring the thief of immediate entry into paradise (heaven) after death.

While the rest of Jesus' teachings say no one goes to heaven until judgement day.

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.


where the comma actually belongs...

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, it is stated that when Jesus returns, the dead in Christ will rise first, followed by those who are alive at that time.

Jesus said, no one goes to heaven except through me, and he meant by his judgement, on Judgement day.

Not that the thief was going to heaven that very day, but to assure him that he would go to heaven, when the gate is opened.

"Grandma is in heaven watching you masturbate" is another sunday school cartoon.

>>512515070
>after god flooded the world

As the flood receded Noah sons were given land
Japheth the eldest was given Europe
Shem was given all of Asia
Ham was give all of Africa

Noah announced that he wanted to have a 4th son with his new wife, and that he would keep Turkey for himself as sanctuary.
Ham did not know how much the flood would recede, and wasn't happy with tiny Africa, he wanted more land for himself.

Ham went into Noah's tent and castrated Noah, to prevent him from having a 4th son.
(so that he would get more land)
Japheth and Shem went backwards into Noah's tent and bandaged his wound.

When Noah awoke (he had been drinking) he knew what his youngest had done to him.

In the Book of Genesis, the curse of Ham is described as a curse which was imposed upon Ham's son Canaan by the patriarch Noah.
Genesis 9:24-27

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.

25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

26 And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Canaan was Ham's 4th son. Because Ham had prevented Noah from having a 4th son, Ham's 4th son was cursed with blackness.
Ham gave his son Canaan the area now known as the Congo. The land of Canaan is where Jesus was later born.

>>512516389
Can you imagine your father splitting the whole world between 4 sons, and you being so greedy that you in effect kill one of your brothers to try and get more.

The inbred elites today want to reduce the population so the survivors can all have palaces and more land for themselves.
The same greed that drove Ham to castrate his father.

>>512515602
>>512515700
>>512515730
>>512516389
>>512516625
Why are you trying to change the subject while talking to yourself? Is this just how retarded narcissists concede arguments?

Noahide cattle

>>512495315 (OP)

An accusation of antisemitism is actually one's tacit admission you want Jewish sacrificial sicarri put to your amalek, Christian, suckin' asshole. An accusation of schizophrenia is your excuse to get away with your assassination.

https://files.catbox.moe/b8tid9.png

>>512516389
>25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

some interpret this to mean that Canaan was made to serve his uncles as a punishment.

Others interpret it as meaning Canaan's entire bloodline (all blacks) should be their slaves for eternity.

Hebrew law says that a slave must be set free after 6 years.

Isn't the KJV the one that's named after the sodomite that called himself god?

>>512495315 (OP)
It's actually the KJV that's corrupted, in particular, the Book of Revelation. It uses the Textus Receptus, which while being a good compilation of Greek manuscripts from the 12th century, was flawed. Erasmus, the priest who created the Textus Receptus, was in competition with a Spanish Cardinal who was working on a polyglot of the bible. Erasmus' publisher gave him a deadline, so that they could beat the competition and make more money, but Erasmus didn't have access to the transcripts on Revelation. So he has to go to his local library to find a commentary on Revelation and try to piece it together from the commentary and from his memory. And while he got it mostly right, he erred in many places. Anyways, this Textus Receptus became basis for the KJV and many other Protestant bible translations. Now these, errors in the Textus Receptus do get corrected in later version of it, but the KJV uses the corrupted version which is why is sounds so different in the Book of Revelation to just about every other bible translation.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are legit. Sorry to burst your bubble. They were preserved because a group of Essenes hid them away at their monastery when Judea was getting rolled over Romans because of a Jewish revolt. The Romans showed no mercy and either killed or expelled all the Jews from the province, renaming it to Palestine. The Essenes, despite being a peaceful lot, keeping to themselves, and with no political power, got caught up in the slaughter/expulsion. The monastery in particular where the scrolls were found was destroyed, but they managed to save their texts by hiding them away in jars and burying them. Also, they only pertain to the Old Testament.

There are some bad translations of the Bible today: NRSVue, CEB, New World Translation, and the Message. Just to name a few. Pretty much everything else is legit. Some minor differences but nothing that changes the overall meaning of the scriptures.

Christianity banned European Christians from doing banking.

Allowing jews to print money and lend it to our government is fucking insane when you think about it.

>>512495315 (OP)
We don’t need to agree on a Bible. It’s quite evident early on if you follow Biblical teachings or not. It’s just one of those things, it shouldn’t bother you much. Got my superior KJV anyway.

>>512516872
You have read the books of Shemites, but have you read the books of the Hamites, and the books of the Japhethites? All three are Noah's sons, did you lose your foreskin? Are you worshiping the god of Shem, or GOD?

At Genesis and Genetics, we have examined Y-chromosome genomes searching for Noah and his three sons, Ham, Japheth, and Shem. They were easy to find. According to our analysis, if you have the rs17306671 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Shem. If you have the rs9786139 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide A you are from Ham. If you have the rs3900 Y-chromosome mutation nucleotide G you are from Japheth. If you are a woman, you will have to check your father’s y-chromosome. Women don’t have the y-chromosome.

>>512500826
Excluded texts were found by the body of believers to be neither uninspired or false. Believers have no issues with this, we aren’t looking for your approval.

>>512517532
Either*

>>512517248
When you look at those omissions, it's because they're often repeats or were added in later centuries by copyists.

Example is Mark 9:44 and 9:46, it's the exact same verse, word for word and is also repeated in Mark 9:48. Other versions keep Mark 9:48 but remove the other two because there's no reason to have the same verse repeat, especially when the earliest available manuscripts lack verse 44 and 46.

Jewish banker finances the construction of Christian monasteries in England.
https://nitter.poast.org/Ehrenkrieg2/status/1696036632229749103#m

I saw articles about them being behind some of the christian churches in China also but I can’t find it now.

>>512517248
There is a lot more Matthew than that removed.
The romans deemed it "too anti-semitic"
so most of Matthew was never even put in the bibles.

>>512517592
It's either pure or it isn't.

>>512517530
You have changed the subject again because your retardation and narcissism won't allow you to acknowledge that you don't know what you are talking about and all your nonsense is loosely related head canon instead of anything you can source.

>>512495315 (OP)
in english, KJV
in spanish, ReinaValera 1909 or earlier.
in greek, the textus receptus
in hebrew, the torah and textus receptus

>>512517334
It's named after Mary queen of Scot's bastard jewish son James the 1st, and 6th who unified the british isles and forged the british empire's bloodlust for world domination.

>>512517760
Exactly, the KJV includes a lot of verses that were added in later centuries by copyists. They're not "removed" verses but inaccurate additions that were taken back out to most closely adhere to the original Greek manuscripts.

>>512517379
>The Dead Sea Scrolls are legit
No

https://www.bitchute.com/video/BtCZHy5XxSUH

>>512517766
What would you like me to cite sources on.
I've posted maps on your flood question.
I cited sources many times.
Very few will make it into heaven, and I'm not trying to save your soul but for the sake of others.... ask away.

>>512515070
>>512515070
>NO IT HAS TO BE TAKEN LITERALLY AND I'M THE ONLY MEDIA-LITERATE ONE HERE
>God understands lots of people were/are bad
>also made a promise to noah to not just delete everyone again
>in their era, it would have required extreme amounts of control and power to build such a tower
>such a unified force would be capable of both good and evil
>and building such a tower is evil
>a tower that has no fucking point, and is a nothing more than a monument to ego
>like the Egyptian pyramids
>also how is your elevation level getting you into heaven, dumbass

>zapping them to change their language centers allows him to essentially break up this evil group without killing anyone
>also a good-enough explanation for why there are so many languages in the world for your average pre-900ad peasant who has no idea what the fuck linguistic archeology is
>because the bible is a collection of flying spaghetti monster stories (AKA fucking parables) to teach people about the world and to be good according to this one religious viewpoint
Is your next argument going to be "if omniscient, why still evil?" This is child's play

>>512518481
There was no flood question >>512515070, you just took the fact that I mentioned the flood as an opportunity to change the subject from the bullshit head canon you made up about the tower of babel to bullshit head canon you have about the flood.

>>512518707
>and building such a tower is evil
>a tower that has no fucking point, and is a nothing more than a monument to ego
No, they didn't have any evil intentions in the story, it literally said that they just built the tower because they wanted to be able to find each other again if god decided to upend the entire world again and scatter them across the world.

>also how is your elevation level getting you into heaven, dumbass
They didn't want to get into heaven, they wanted their tower to reach the heavens so it could be seen from far away, so they could all have something to orient them, so they could meet up in a central location.

>zapping them to change their language centers allows him to essentially break up this evil group without killing anyone
It also essential destroys himself and his own authority since he is the word and his only way to communicate his good news is by passing down his uncorrupted words through the ages.

>because the bible is a collection of flying spaghetti monster stories
That doesn't mean you people have authority to just rewrite the stories and make up bullshit head canon, if you want to write your own story do it, but don't pretend like these stories that everyone worships as divine is actually representative of the vitriolic bullshit you want to spread.

>>512518965
>nooo dey were a poor single tribe of dindus
Bro they already had a bunch of cities, read the shit before your weak cherry pick
Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

7 And the sons of Cush; Seba, and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: and the sons of Raamah; Sheba, and Dedan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,

12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city.

13 And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim,

14 And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim.

>>512518965
>He doesn't know humans can commit evil without having evil intentions
>should we explore this amazing world god gave us
>no let's stay here and build a big penis tower now get your kids in the mine we need bricks xD

>>512495315 (OP)

God has made it clear that The KJV is His preserved word
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLO6BQY_lj0

>>512519296
I did read it, so I know that they already established that the maritime people who came from the sons of javan are the ones who made a bunch of different languages which contradicts the story of the tower, but the story of the tower itself >>512515070 specifically says they were one people with one language at that point and all they wanted was to building something large enough that it towered into the sky so they could find if from far away if they get scattered again by one of god's disaster, its not my claim.

>>512519495
>>He doesn't know humans can commit evil without having evil intentions
God didn't say anything about evil, it says he just wanted to interfere with their free will to make the things they wanted impossible.

>should we explore this amazing world god gave us
They wouldn't need the building to be so tall it could be seen from far and wide if they didn't want to explore and come back to document their explorations and share their findings with each other.

>>no let's stay here and build a big penis tower now get your kids in the mine we need bricks xD
They didn't impose anything on the next generation because god interfered and even with his interference, we are still making bricks to this day, if his plan was to stop brick making, he failed spectacularly, he only destroyed himself since he is the word and the only thing that was destroyed was the common language he used to announce that he was the word.

>>512519689
Here's a hot take.
Bible essentially says "because they all speak the same language, there's nothing they cannot do," yes?
So how come they just didn't use their language powers to input the konami code and unlock flight and noclip powers for everyone?
God was like "dude you guys physically cannot build a tower that high especially with your lack of modern construction techniques of I-beams and vibrational control devices but you will easily throw away countless generations in pursuit of such a building. Let me zap you all so you spend time exploring and farming, instead of this retarded tower"

Riddle me this

If humans wrote the King Christ Version how do you know it was God?

If humans wrote the King Christ Version is it perfect?

Why the need for it God can tell us in a world where merged twins exist so not everyone has freewill

If telling me gets me to hell why tell me at all from the same maker who made hell also jews despite all their criticism technically do not have one but the good guys do?

>>512519840
>god destroyed babel because he hated bricks
Huh? Is this an AI post?

Would AI have done better at making up the Bible than the humans who wrote it?

>>512518722
I posted a picture of the remains of the tower, what more are you looking for. go to Richat and see the bricks for yourself.

Atlantis/ Babel/ Richat
Atlantis when the floodwaters made it accessible. much later the Israelites invaded Africa to kill all of Ham's descendants and steal their land "Africa" the land promised to Jacob by his false "Lord"
The Israelites were told to conquer Africa (the land Noah had given to his son Ham, and his children) Most of the tribes said, mope i'm out. The tribe of Judah (jews) were supposed to conquer the land of Canaan which today is known as Gabon Africa.
Judah failed, and his sons were killed, he did not kill the all the Canaanites (blacks) The jews were sold as slaves, to the people of North West Africa who were building a tower.
God destroyed the tower, and stupefied everyone who worked on the tower, including the jews. The jews were again enslaved by Egyptians until Moses.

>>512519998
Ask
>>512519495
Who is the one who said that was the case and god was just protecting kids from being forced to be miners.

^ people change what is right and wrong at the moment. For example Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Or even anime in a way. No one cares that their child fuckers if it means asking your tough questions.

So what happens when God changes his mind the entire Bible based on the time God made?

Or even better question is God limited to human governments made at the time? If so then is that God? An example is Egypt. Do you think they would have lied to make another sections of Gods look bad?

>>512520116
I want you to prove the bible actually says what you claimed, not post random larp pictures to reinforce the head canon that you can't actually cite in the story.

The babel tower story Genesis 11 comes way before Judah Genesis 29, you are completely mixing up the time frames or trying to conflate different towers again like when you quoted the book of joshua.

You know think Jews lie 24/7 and I told they did with Egypt you would 100 percent believe me, but if someone else you

“Hey there was no Israelites Egypt”

You would call me the lying kike

Yet even Jesus mentioned Moses

So who’s lying?

* You know and think jews lie 24/7 and I told you they did with Egypt, you would 100 percent believe me, but if someone else you told you in a different way

Adam and Eve can make choices to make choices. Insanity

It's contradictory erroneous jewish psyop garbage lol. Stop taking this trash seriously

>KJV is the inspired perfect english translation of the word of go- ACK

>>512520471
You’re a meme flag though and I could post 100 verses right now yet I see digits here from time to time like 666 and 616 so I want to see if there’s some truth to it

>>512520129
Yeah, that's me man.
I think it really comes down to this line:
>The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
And doubters and people get mad, because they're like "that sounds amazing! Why would you ever take that away?"
But when you think about it, it's talking more about the powerful force a unified group can be, by eroding free will and getting everyone caught up in the same foolish ideas. (inb4 catholics hate anything that's different, remember there's a subsection of armenian catholics. There's tolerance for anything on a similar path of unity)
Think about it.
>then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.
How come they didn't plan to make a magic button to hit and the tower pops up, fully completed?
How come come they didn't just open skyrim console and spawn a permanent quest marker in everyone's head?
How come they didn't just tell the Nephilim to stand on each other's shoulders? They wouldn't need even bricks.
How come they didn't invent the fortnite physics-defying building system so they could get done in less than a day?
The phrase is intentionally vague, and reading too much in a story that was meant to explain why there's so many languages in the world to a 200ad man who thinks herbs in his asshole is the height of medical tech.

I could easily destroy the Bible but I’m curious. There is digit bias like wasted and checked yet why do I see those numbers when I see someone purposely talking about evil or relating it to the Bible / satan

>>512518965
>they just built the tower because they wanted to be able to find each other

wrong. the purpose of the tower was to get to the heavens

In the biblical story of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11), the unified people of the world attempt to build a city and a tower "with its top in the heavens"
According to the text, God observes this undertaking and states, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them". In response, God intervenes, confusing their language so they can no longer understand each other, he disbursed them, sent them wandering, and destroyed the tower. The jews wandered into egypt and were again enslaved.

When Moses asked God if the tower would have worked, to get them to the heavens, God said "YES"

the tower wasn't to prevent God from scrambling them, the tower was to get to heaven. their brains were scrambled they don't remember why they were building it in the first place

You fags think the Tower is fictional.

It's not.

The Elden Ring last DLC location is based on the Tower of Babel

>>512520526
Don't really care none of that implies >>512518707 was correct that the builders were trying to do anything evil and that there was no point to the tower they were building as a central hub of their explorations and civilization so they could find each other if they ever get scattered by demonic magic again.

...

>>512520639
I do think it’s fictional and you positing a image doesn’t prove anything

>>512496018
>Muslims did 9/11
Who funded, trained and facilitated them?

>>512520673
So build it

>>512520690
It does, it was a real structure. It was the type of the first idol, the stone inserted into the earth. Which oddly postdates the first type of temple, a pure circular stone circle or gilgal as it's called in the Bible.

>>512520673
Also what a lazy drawing. They couldn’t even bothered to measure it right when ironically the Egyptians could. If you’re gonna draw something at least draw it so the measurements match instead your schizophrenia

Actually the first Temple was the Ark, look at the dimensions of its wheel house compared to the Temple of Solomon.

KJV is in English. So 10/10 in Britain.
I stay with the German Amish Version.

Why do Jews are afraid of the new testament and Jesus?

>>512520774
>it was a real structure
>that no one could find or a name

A tower?

>>512495315 (OP)
Vulgate
>/Thread

>>512520672
>NO WE JUST WANT TO FIND EACH OTHER THAT'S WHY IT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO GO TO THE HEAVENS, IT CAN'T JUST BE REALLY TALL
Reminds me of the jewish rape tunnels
>all speak the same language
>claim it was just to move shit around
>no ignore the mattresses with child's blood goy
inb4 hurr there were no mattresses in the story
No, but there was a building that even today's best tech finds impossible. He was saving them from wasting generations after generations on an impossible buidling
>but god also said that nothing was impossible because they all spoke one language
If nothing was impossible for them, how come they didn't just put a bunch of cobblestone and a bucket of water in one guy's pocket, na dhave him minecraft stack his way to the sky? Shit takes like less than 5 minutes, and you don't even need a full inventory

>>512520851
And the holy grail and Thors hammer have such precise measurements

>>512520868
They did find and name it. In fact the height is established at some 8000 feet only. Higgins has this and sourced it in The Celtic Druids.

>>512520610
>the purpose of the tower was to get to the heavens
No it says the purpose of the tower reaching the heavens was so they could find each other if they ever got scattered again, I posted the entire babel story already and its pretty clear about that >>512515070.

>the tower wasn't to prevent God from scrambling them,
No, it was so they could find each other if he did.
>the tower was to get to heaven
No, it was to have a landmark to navigate to avoid being scattered because they could find each other by using the landmark.

>>512520932
Nope, but the Ark does. The Ark served as a temple until the days of Herodotus at least. Many of the famous people of antiquity saw it or had reliable witnesses who they trusted, describe it to them.

Also the Pillars of Hercules were actual pillars. This is something you don't hear about, it isn't a metaphor for the Strait of Gibraltar. There was an actual Altar and pair of Pilliasters and an oak tree at the Strait laid by Hercules himself. Who was a real man.

>>512520941
“ It appears that the claim “They did find and name it. In fact the height is established at some 8000 feet only. Higgins has this and sourced it in The Celtic Druids” is not substantiated by available evidence.

Godfrey Higgins’s The Celtic Druids (1827–29) is a 19th‑century speculative work that aims to link Druids to Eastern origins, the Cadmean alphabet, Stonehenge, and cyclopean constructions—but I could find no mention in the text or its descriptions of any structure being “found and named,” nor of any height specifically “8000 feet.” 

One unrelated snippet did surface in a 1901 academic reference: “(… about 8000feet) is about 35′30″, and 2′ additional for Stuni’s …” . However, this appears out of context and not linked to Higgins’s work or to Druids—or to the idea of a tower, watcher’s structure, or anything similarly named.

So unless you have a specific chapter or page reference from Higgins that mentions a named structure with an 8000-foot height, it seems there’s no support in the text for this assertion.

Do you happen to have a more detailed citation from The Celtic Druids—like a chapter or plate number—where this claim appears? I’d be happy to help dig into that more closely”

>>512520926
Ok pedo, I don't know why discussing the tower of babel makes you think of big penises >>512519495 raping children, but obviously you have gone way off the reservation and aren't really worth the discussion.

Gibraltar was GB Altar.

>>512521046
>plugging into the AI something you can't read properly
This won't do. You have to read Higgins. And no I read the book but don't retain in memory specific citations and page numbers.

>>512495315 (OP)
the guy that translated the bible from hebrew and greek to english was burned at the stake by the church.

>>512520610
>the unified people of the world
> The jews wandered into egypt and were again enslaved.
So Egyptians weren't part of that unified group, kinda stupid not to invite them if you want to build shit

>>512520952
>hey guys It's god up here in Heaven. Flood's gone, go out and live your lives. I'll just be chilling up here, and grab you when I need you
>no we're going to build a giant stone dick that pokes into your living room floor
>It has to be that tall specifically because we need it to find each other xD
>Jehovahdammit

>>512521098
I accept your concession
God broke our ancestors into a million different tongues and yet I still whipped your ass in this one

Through sound change CBR becomes GBR. This is all related to the Cabiri.

Look the Cabiri up in your AI.

>>512521103
> You have to read Higgins. And no I read the book but don't retain in memory specific citations and page numbers.

I guess you don’t need the Bible then

>>512520639
there's some bs building in Iraq that they call the tower. but that is not the tower of babel.
that tiny building you can walk around in minutes.

The bible describes the tower of babel as massive... taking 3 or 3 and a half days to walk the circumference... no go measure the richat structure calculate the curcumference and do the math. 3 to 3 and a half days walking.

The CIA went to Richat in 1967, they spent 6 months picking it clean.

Interesting that in order to bring Europa back from the brink and into the Enlightenment Era—they had to bring back the Pagan Arts, philosophy, and literature.

Anyone using that cursed Abrahamic script, is a deceiver.

>>512521192
I do. Higgins supports the Bible completely.

>>512521198
Richat isn't the Tower. Tower was made of un-baked bricks and then faced with bitumen.

>>512521276
I was kind of making a joke. The other comments with the ark and pillars I can’t prove or disprove. So you can be completely right

If you want my opinion the Tower was in Georgia near Baku.

>>512521310
Arkite worship was the first religion after the flood, the people worshiped at the Ark.

>>512521158
Then turn yourself in if you accept the concession that you are just a misguided pedo wasting other people's time.

>God broke our ancestors into a million different tongues
No, Javan's maritime descendant's did according to the chapter right before the tower story.

> I still whipped your ass in this one
No all you did was tries to fetishize the discussion and turn it into your little pedophilia hour.

>>512521105
the clergy knew people would see the jesus cult as fucking retarded if they had access to the "holy books"

there's a reason why they gatekept it hard with only laymen being allowed to read the bible and dripfeed it to retards in a church

>nothing was impossible because they all spoke the same language
>using a stone tower to act as a rally point (something which due to the curvature of the earth, can't even be seen past a certain point, no matter how tall it is)
>instead of building a unified postal and map system
God was saving them time. The pyramids aren't even a mile high, and Pharaohs had armies of slave niggers working on them for pretty much an entire lifetime or two

I got checkmated for the first time one a Christian thread gg. Feels nice seeing someone smarter than me

>>512521341
Nah, imma stick my babel dick in you tho

>>512509751
>Y-YOU'RE JUST GULLIBLE
lel

>>512521356
They did speak the same language. In fact we all speak it to-day and if you'd open your puny mind you'd be able to speak it too.

Hebrew, Latin, Sanskrit, etc. All substantially the same and you can sound out and GUESS the meaning of words in foreign scripts and be right much of the time. Also one weird thing, each letter has a tree associated with it, the same trees in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, 'Chaldean,' and Ogham.

They want retards like you because you will accept the Noahide laws which is Jewish enslavement of man kind.

Christcuckoldry is the best tool the kikes have for placating/domesticated whites.

Limp-wristed and ineffective cuckservatism is a direct result of christcuckoldry.

>>512521585
I never cast doubt on the fact they all spoke the same language, merely that if nothing was impossible for them, and all they really wanted to do was navigate back home, there are far better ways to do it than a big-ass tower.
God broke them up not because he hated big towers, but because the cost would have been too great to build a tower that reached to the skies. People don't need to speak the same tongue in order to co-exist.

Hebrew for instance has only about five thousand words, and about a thousand sounded out are identical to English. If you just sound out Latin you can fully understand half the words, they being identical. Greek too. Indian is harder but if you learn to throw away vowels you will see that all languages can be expressed with 17 letters and zero vowels and you can boil words down and re-insert the vowels and read them today.

One thing that makes this difficult is the lack of word breaks you find in early texts, which is what induced Painini who invented Sanskrit to introduce the master line above each word. Which was emulated in Arabic and also Thai etc.

>>512521742
It was a space elevator, which is super efficient. Beats chemical rockets.

>>512521393
I reject your faggotry, pedo.

>>512520952
Your brain was scrambled

You are confusing the purpose of the Sphinx
God buried the ancient city with sand again and again. Hamites, and Putites did not want to lose the city forever. The Sphinx was built over the entrance to the city, staircase between it's paws. Even that didn't stop God from hiding the city again he buried the Sphinx for thousands of years.
The ancient city accesses the river to the underworld. God buried it for a reason.

The tower was to get to heaven.
Man could not replicate the tower today, we are a fraction of our former selves.

>>512521771
But if they could do anything, why not teleporters? Even more efficient than a space elevator. They could do anything, after all.

You don't really have a choice as an English speaker but to pick KJV.

What's crazy though is you would trust the bible to be a perfect translation with all the politics going on in and around 1611. You must really think that king was swell huh?

>>512521830
Space elevator is a great achievement and we can't even think of it for a while yet because we have nothing strong and flexible enough. It's like, as futuristic to us as anything.

I'd like to add Ogham has the master line, it might also be the earliest script. You don't understand the computational power of language yet you accept this in Arabic numerals easily. Sad.

>>512521742
>I never cast doubt on the fact they all spoke the same language,
You should have since the chapter right before the tower of babel blames maritime peoples for creating a bunch of languages.

>merely that if nothing was impossible for them
That was if they got the tower built and had a central office of operation, its the entire point of them continually trying to rebuilt the great temple.

>People don't need to speak the same tongue in order to co-exist.
But they do need to speak the original uncorrupted words to be able to spread the word of god through the ages, god only hurt himself, the word, by destroying the efficacy of words which is why we have so many bible and most wars are between people who basically agree about most things and religions that try to glorify god, just tend to schism indefinitely.

>>512521888
I'm intrigued by wtf a masterline is, but your argument style relies on dropping and hinting at obscure topics, which only goes so far. I'd love to hear you talk about it, tho
Also, if they could do anything, how come they couldn't think of anything better than a space elevator? dyson spheres and ringworlds are cooler

>>512521825
>Sphinx
Another attempt to change the subject since you got pwned.

>The tower was to get to heaven.
No, it was to reach the heavens so the tower could be seen from far and wide, they never said anything about entering a kingdom of heaven or anything, just reaching the heavens.

>Man could not replicate the tower today
We have much bigger towers now, and have literal ships flying above the heavens, you retarded dipshit.

>>512521948
We all have the Word of God preserved in our languages we of Israelite descent. You can literally sound out and read Hebrew once you learn the script lol. Same with Greek and Sanskrit and Arabic. You just have to open your mind and there is genetic knowledge to do it within you if you're White. If not, well fucking good luck. East Asians in particualr are particularly retarded with these basics. It's one of the reasons I think their races are largely 'beasts of the field.'

>>512515070
>>5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
>>512521948
haha i beat you with your own words. If they had begun, and God went down and saw they had begun. He was saving them from generations and generations of pain building this thing

>>512521046
In the days of Noah, there was no western Europe
see
>>512515602
>>512515700

When the flood receded Europe emerged from the sea. Then people migrated to these new lands, there is no "ancient" Europe

what was there before the flood isn't human.

>>512522016
>I'm intrigued by wtf a masterline is
yes

>>512495315 (OP)
I think I read the Bible mostly in NKJV, but sometimes I'd look up NASB or ESV versions of verses to get a clearer perspective
Ultimately, I think I'd just recommend NIV, ESV, NASB, or NKJV

>>512522020
>he thinks by heaven god meant the skyline
If the people could do anything with their unified language, then how come they just didn't live around a really tall mountain then, lmao
Your argument of god is bad because babel destruction hurr is just taking too literally and forcing interpretation of morality on a story meant to explain why there's so many different languages. You're forcing the story to be commentary on something it's not.

>>512496018
It was jews, not muslims.

>>512522112
No, it says that nothing they plan after will be impossible and it doesn't say anything about generations being lost, they were still living for hundreds and hundreds of years at that point.

>>512522137
I checked some articles, but couldn't find some phrases. I'd guess tho, it refers to a common line found in most letters of this language or languages that indicates a common link. Am I on the right track?

>>512522356
OK look, how do you divide small and large case letters in EVERY language? Master line.

You use it all the time but you don't even know the name for the thing you are using and why. It's typical these days.

>>512522288
>then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them
That's present tense. At their current state before the language zap they were already in "nothing is impossible" mode

>>512522419
Space elevator is 1000 years in the future to us.

>>512521276
Have you been to Richat. to this day it confuses people who go there.
It's very different there now than it was back in the day.

The Richat Structure, also known as the Eye of the Sahara, has varying elevations. The central plateau is about 200 meters (650 feet) above the surrounding desert, according to NASA. The outer rim reaches an elevation of 485 meters (1,591 feet) above sea level

When it was Atlantis, it was just above sea level, and the main passage to Greece was south of the Atlas mountains

>>512522416
>You use it all the time but you don't even know the name for the thing you are using and why. It's typical these days.
That feels like smart thing to say until you realize it applies to shit like aglets too
Like how most people don't know what the G n 5G stands for

>>512522252
It didn't say heaven, it said the heavens.
It said after the tower they could do anything.
There are lots of mountains its not the same level of landmark.
I never said god was bad, I said god said he was words and it was retarded to destroy words to spite man since it only destroyed man's ability to coherently talk about god and result in millions of conflicting religions with different interpretations of similar symbols at the end of the day.

>morality on a story meant to explain why there's so many different languages.
Except they just explained why there were so many different languages in the chapter before, the sons of javan spread out by the sea and formed many clans and nations who made their own languages.

> You're forcing the story to be commentary on something it's not.
No I am saying it is retarded and self harming for god to call himself the word, then destroy the efficacy of words.

>>512522456
Nah, I feel like we're going to bypass it with easymode minimal fuel space travel, and just have space truckers.
Space Elevator can also be compared to space dick, and you saw how comparing Babel Tower to a stone dick really let me piss someone else off. I do prefer a clean sky with space trucks moving through to one that has a space dick in it, yes

>>512495735
Church created it. And church was always the enemy of the people. Church subverted what Jesus taught. Every pastor has his way to read the bible and get its meaning. That's literally what talmudic rabbis do. (Obviously some churches have been good, but i'm talkimg about vatican)

>>512495315 (OP)
NRSV is the most historically accurate/closest to the original writing as you can get. People get angry at it because of the neutral gender thing but that was actually closer to the source, it wasn't a woke thing. I don't know about the NRSVue though, heard genuinely bad things about that one but haven't looked into it.

Here's master line for babies. You'll find you know exactly what a master line is.

>>512522419
No, if that were the case the intervention would have been impotent because they would have already achieved perfection, but god only thought they would be able to do the impossible if it were impossible to scatter them again because of a central tower by which they could orient themselves.

>>512522603
And see I'm arguing he did it save time. So many better ideas for unification than a giant tower. It's like how multiple small teams are better than one big team.

>>512495315 (OP)
The Scriptures were inspired by the Holy Spirit and given to God's people. The Scriptures are self-authenticating, as they are self described as "God breathed." As such, no institution nor person is required to authenticate the Scriptures because the Scriptures are, by definition, the word of God and thus the highest possible authority. As for how the Scriptures were compiled, we determined the canon by citing what was always recognized to be Scripture in catholicity, which is to say we only hold binding what the prophets and the church fathers chose to universally be bound by. Any books that were not inspired by the Holy Spirit or were not recognized universally amongst the fathers, we have removed from our canon.

>>512522696
>So many better ideas for unification than a giant tower.
Unification is the exact opposite of what god wants, its why jesus calls himself a sword that will cut apart all the families and nations.

>It's like how multiple small teams are better than one big team.
The chapter before just explained how they broke off into small teams that all created their own languages and none of those clans were able to do anything as noteworthy as babel.

>>512495315 (OP)
Modern people have a completely wrong conception of writing post printing press and always look back for one "right" book rather than understand there were endless minor variations on major themes.

>>512522252
It wasn't just that language was unified.
it was that MILLIONS of humans were living in harmony. working together we can accomplish ANYTHING. and our unified goal at the time was getting off of this rock.

>>512522817
I think the biggest difference is in what's included and excluded. 4 gospels are usually included with some differences between them, but apparently theres a lot more that's not included

>>512522674
>they would have already achieved perfection
Right, we're like so close (God cursed us so we're speaking slightly different forms of the same idea)
"Nothing is impossible" is not meant to be taken literally, otherwise they would have just used Skyrim console mode
One unifying language is bad (would you want everything you own to get translated to Mandarin? No? It'd be the fastest track to a planet-wide one-language system)
>result in millions of conflicting religions with different interpretations of similar symbols at the end of the day.
Isn't this is essentially a rehash of the "if omniscent and good god, why he let bad things happen?"
To that, I'd respond with "why did he let all the drama between Jacob and Esau?
>No I am saying it is retarded and self harming for god to call himself the word, then destroy the efficacy of words.
Really? I think it makes people more creative. Do you believe in the preservation of historical languages and texts?

>>512522930
I would take the Bahamas over the moon any day

>>512496235
the catholic church decided this ages ago. these missing books like shephard of hermas or epislte of barnabas arent new at all, theyve been around since the early church, many early church bishops make use of the the shephard by hermad for example, notably clemente, mentioned in the new testament as a bishop.
The exclusion of these "scrolls" arent because of deceit, but because the early church decided a canon based on the works directly associated with the apostles, shephard of hermas was written way too late to be part of the apostle gospel, revelations was written around 80 AD, for reference, the shephard was written in 140 AD, whereas the entire rest of the new testament was written in a couple decade period from 50AD to 70AD.

not exactly sure what the deal is all about, the consensus has been translated in the KJV already, its essence. any more is just nuanced minutia imo. the core of the doctrine of love is already dessiminated.

>>512522930
>it was that MILLIONS of humans were living in harmony.
No, the bible doesn't say anything about millions of people at that point, it was only 9 chapters into genesis and people were still living for like a thousand years and it was only a few generations after adam and eve.

It's so tiresome to see you babies whirl around. Old /pol/ at least had some competent people.

I can't blame this solely on DEI but I do partly for sure. Also the lack of classical education, shit most of you have never read the Hypnoerotica.

In a dreame.

>>512523014
>One unifying language is bad
Then god, as a unified word, is even worse by your standards.

English is already the planet-wide language, Mandarin countries are generally taught English because hieroglyphs are retarded and alphabets are mathematically superior in every way.

>Isn't this is essentially a rehash of
No, it is a hash of if god is words, why would god damage words?

>I think it makes people more creative.
I think you are retarded if you think people have gotten more creative this century than last century just because nonsense words skibidi have been invented.

>>512523264
All the languages are one excepting monkey tongues of beasts of the field.

>>512522667
Dude you mean the lowercase line? This is like that one kid sighing and acting dramatic about being intelligent because people don't know the latin names for animals or some very specific vocabulary word

>>512523319
>aramaic is afro-asiatic

>>512523264
>Then god, as a unified word, is even worse by your standards.
Huh?
God isn't a chink

>>512522940
>>512522940
What I meant more was the manuscripts of something like the Septuagiant are much much older than the masoretic but people are raised and trained to see the hebrew as more authoritative despite this.

>>512523319
So the bible lied when it talked about different languages and speech which is why babel contradict the previous chapter that says maritime people created all the other languages?

>>512523387
No, but god said he is the word.

>>512523348
>Dude you mean the lowercase line?
It's more than that, it's a word break and an essential unit of a computational written language. You like to add up and multiply and divide, yet you never think of operations on the words and unit characters of the language you write and never think about the master line and its multiple functions and there is no reason to act all sly, because I know I taught you this and you're probably stunned or sadly, if not, you're dull.

I am the master.

>>512523425
>So the bible lied
Nope.

>>512523425
>when it talked about different languages
Chapter and verse?

>which is why...
Chapter and verse.

>>512523387
>God isn't a chink
Even the Chinese pay homage to Shang Di, High God (even Di or Dei is the same) who rules all of Heaven and Earth.

>>512495315 (OP)
jews can

>>512523445
But god encouraged multiple languages. He is the word for his faithful, but that's not everyone, nor does it have to be.
>>512523512
Nah, my kindergarten teacher taught me about that line guy

>>512523060
>people were still living for like a thousand years

I had 8 children in 40 years
If i lived a thousand years I could have a million children easy.
Just because you're gay don't project onto ancient peoples

King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines, totaling 1000 women.
He was evil, so God only let him have 4 children, so he's an exception.

Everybody else were having a lot of children

You 1
your parents 2
your gparents 4
your ggparents 8
your gggparents 16
32
64
128
go 30 generations and you have 2 million people who had sex, or you wouldn't be here.

>>512523512
>Nope
Then that means you are lying since you are saying the opposite.

>Chapter and verse?
Genesis 10:4-5
>The sons of Javan:
>Elishah, Tarshish, the Kittites and the Rodanites.[b] 5 (From these the maritime peoples spread out into their territories by their clans within their nations, each with its own language.)

>which is why it babel contradicted
>>512515070
Babel is Genesis 11, right after the story of maritime people creating the languages.

>>512523647
He encouraged multiple languages as a way to divide people and create wars.

>He is the word for his faithful
No, the efficacy of words was destroyed so you can't have any way of knowing what your faith is actually in since its based entirely on words that have purposely been corrupted.

>>512523425
Jesuits created over 1000 languages in just the last 200 years. divide and conquer

>>512523647
God does not speak Modern English

>>512523647
>god encouraged multiple languages
No he inflicted them upon humanity. But those who know, know, like me. I can read any language. I can sound it out, think it our. Look at clues. I can look at the trees in a scene and associate each with a letter and insert vowels and read more out of a painting or tapestry or illuminated manuscript than a whole academic conference of losers.

>>512523647
>my kindergarten teacher taught me about that line
You don't understand what it is useful for.

>>512523722
Nope though I'm checking you I'm doing the opposite. Your quote needs some explanation as to how that's a lie, you con't just quote a verse and say it's a lie without developing and explaining your thesis.

>>512523679
>If i lived a thousand years I could have a million children easy.
I seriously doubt you have been able to have any children, but the bible specifically lists the genealogy and there aren't millions of people listed, none of the people before genesis 11 have that many children, King Solomon comes way after even Judah who is still many chapters after babel, you are literally just making up horseshit and confusing the timeline of the bible with your own retarded head canon again.

>>512523803
Who gives a fuck about your pedo cult, quit trying to change the subject after you get BTFO.

>>512523800
>He encouraged multiple languages as a way to divide people and create wars.
Checked, not exactly. It is a test. If you read the Book of Revelation you'll suspect something is the City of God which cubes the pyramid.

>>512495315 (OP)
Thread full of christcucks. You’re all really stupid.
Nature shows us how we should be living. Stop arguing about which man made thing is more holy. Can you see yourselves.
God is in nature, we are nature. Shut out kike influence and embrace nature.

>>512515070
>god got jealous
Lol

>>512523897
I already explained it which is what prompted you to ask for a chapter and verse since you are too retarded to figure out which chapter the tower of babel was and which was the chapter right before it on your own.

>>512523958
>Checked, not exactly.
Yes exactly, it is exactly correct it says so in the text and its not a very long story.>>512515070

Anybody ever actually read the Book of Revelation? I've read it a bunch of times, I cheated at reading the Bible as a kid and skipped to the end, it's completely far out. But totally realistic these days. Imagine you're a bronze age goat herder or even suave urbanite and you have to explain 2025 technology. It would wind up sounding like that Book.

Y'all better get good with Jesus Christ, anons. And I don't mean going to church, really. In fact it's likely that all the registered non-profit churches are fully infiltrated by satanic pedophiles at this stage in the game.

>>512495473
I just give you one lecture so you have some book for the night...
The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark by Dennis R. Macdonald

>>512524018
I know what chapter and verse the Tower is, but you concocted a thesis and just sorta shot off a chapter and verse without elucidating how it supported... whatever your argument is.

What is your particular argument again my dear young girl?

>>512524018
Don't even sweat
>>512523897
Is caught up in his intellectualism
You are fun to argue with tho.
Good times anons, I learned a lot, have white titties for your pleasure

>>512524132
No, I didn't concoct a thesis, I pointed out that the chapter right before the tower story says that the maritime people created all the languages naturally on their own as they spread out which contradicts the very next chapter that says god created languages because he was mad at a tall building, then you asked me to cite a chapter and verse, then when I did, you scolded me for just giving you a chapter and verse without the context that prompted you to ask for the verse in the first place.

>>512523512
>I am the master.
>>512523897
>I can read any language. I can sound it out, think it our. Look at clues. I can look at the trees in a scene and associate each with a letter and insert vowels and read more out of a painting or tapestry or illuminated manuscript than a whole academic conference of losers.
A clown up his own ass

>>512524162
That ass didn't even present a thesis. You probably never had a proper debate - not the shouting kind they have these days, but a properly orderly one with a moderator and evidence, etc.

Anyway it's sad to see you kids scramble around.

>>512524243
That's not what it says though.

Also reference the beginning of Ruth which is probably even antediluvian. 128 gods.

>>512523924
I have 26 grandchildren, and 8 great grandchildren

The book of Judith, which is considered apocryphal by some, describes King Nebuchadnezzar's army as having 120,000 foot soldiers and 12,000 archers

1 Chronicles 21 describes a census ordered by King David, where Joab reports over a million fighting men in Israel. This highlights the scale of military forces in the region during that period

In the first battle against Ai, 3,000 Israelites were initially sent to fight, but they were defeated and fled. In the second, successful battle, 30,000 men were chosen as an ambush force. The total number of people killed in Ai was 12,000, including men and women.
For the battle of Jericho, 40,000 armed men crossed the Jordan River into the plains of Jericho.

Ancient writers sometimes claimed Persian armies were in the millions, but these numbers are widely considered exaggerations

Battle of Thermopylae: Modern estimates suggest the Persian army numbered between 120,000 and 300,000.
General Achaemenid Army: Scholarly estimates for the largest Achaemenid armies tend to fall between 60,000 and 150,000

>>512524250
No it's not magical. Languages were all the same, and diverged excepting beast people, skraelings, aka the Kenites, monster-kin. Back in the proto-Egyptian and Babylonian days right until histoical times as recorded by Herodotus, the various powers were so lewd and depraved that they kept and bred beast-men and women by crossing slaves with monkies and this is ultimately the missing hominid.

>>512524412
Sounds like a bunch of bullshit

>>512524308
It is, I have posted the chapters in full:
Genesis 10 >>512523722
Genesis 11 >>512515070
First it says maritime people spread out in 10, then the tower of babel says god made the languages in 11 which is a contradiction.

Ruth is an entirely different book that comes way way after Genesis, it isn't like the contradiction I pointed out in Genesis from one chapter to the next that you clearly can't refute and seem too retarded to even read.

>>512524393
All those people come many many generations after Genesis 10 which doesn't list anyone as having enough children to make millions in just a few generations.

>>512524459
It's fully real.

>>512524461
It's not a contradiction. And languages were mutually understood even the days of Alexander, who traveled to India and conversed with the Rajas directly in parley.

Ruth and Job and part of Psalms are all pre-flood, the oldest literature. Like the RG VDA. Very ancient stuff worthy of pondering. God preserves his word.

>>512524308
Proper debates aren't nearly as fun as barroom or coffee table debates tho
For instance, I can't call you a nigger with a moderator around
Nigger

>>512524615
It doesn't matter you're basically a child to me. It's cute. It's like when a kid comes swinging at you and you gently reach down and hold their puny skull in one hand while smiling knowingly.

You're cute. I like you.

>>512524605
>It's fully real
Prove it

In the Book of Revelation, the Tower of Babel is not mentioned directly, but its themes of human ambition, rebellion against God, and the resulting scattering and confusion are echoed in the imagery of Babylon. Revelation portrays a symbolic Babylon, representing worldly power and corruption, that ultimately falls due to its own wickedness, mirroring the Tower of Babel's destruction and scattering. While the Tower of Babel story explains the origin of diverse languages and cultures, Revelation 7 depicts a future scene where people from all nations are united in worship before God, suggesting a restoration of unity and harmony

>>512524605
>And languages were mutually understood even the days of Alexander
Alexander the Great and his contemporaries operated within a complex linguistic landscape where mutual understanding was not universal, even among the peoples of his empire. While Greek, particularly the Attic dialect, was widely spoken and served as a common language among the Macedonian elite and the Hellenistic world, it was not universally understood by all subjects of his empire.

>>512524771
Ok what proofs would satisfy you?

>>512524821
>t. LLM enjoyer
wrong

>>512524677
>admits pedo tendencies
Stay away from kids faggot

>>512524840
>wrong
This isn't a refutation nor an argument

>>512524840
>Ok what proofs would satisfy you
Demonstrate any of your claims. Migjt he hard when you are so far up your own ass

>>512524854
You're getting cuter every instant now.

>>512524878
It's a statement of fact. You're actually correct for once. Keep this up and we'll have you gargling peanut butter by the time the thread caps out.

>>512524913
>You're actually correct
I know. Just like I know you're a faggot

>>512524605
We aren't talking about history we are talking about the bible and you are contradicting the bible about multiple languages which contradicts itself about how those different languages came to be.

>Ruth and Job and part of Psalms are all pre-flood
No they aren't, the flood happens very early on.

>>512495315 (OP)
Does it matter, who cares what Jewish fairy tales you believe in, just pick whatever since you are too stupid to think for yourself.

>>512524815
Yes it is you lying head-canon larper.
>>512515070
>That is why it was called Babel

>>512524909
>Migjt he hard
>hitting the keyboard and posting in fury because you're already scared and thinking of pussing out
I see you, nigger. You're neon pink.

>>512524950
I would have anal sex with you in order to humiliate you before your women but that's as gay as I'd get and I would get no pleasure from the physical act, it would be a purely psychological measure.

>>512524973
Whoa you've got me. What's your point again? Anyway Ruth and Job are pre-flood.

>>512524605
>Ruth and Job and part of Psalms are all pre-flood
Another bullshit claim not supported by anything

>>512524518
>Nebuchadnezzar’s ‘Tower of Babel’ was many generations before Nebuchadnezzar

>>512525036
>I would have anal sex
Because you're a faggot. Kek. I know I called it already. I already proved you wrong once kek

>>512525036
>Anyway Ruth and Job are pre-flood.
Nope

>>512525045
Read 'em. Genesis is pre-flood right? Or has pre-flood knowledge.

>>512525096
Nope. It'd only happen in order to make you into my bitch in front of your women. Your mom. Your gran. Your sister, girlfriends and wives, all tied up in an abandoned theater watching me fuck you in the ass.

>>512525124
Other parts too.

Please present your evidence to the contrary.

>>512525081
Its not his tower it was a collective, there is no mention of him in the story >>512515070, it says the people came together and decided to build it, you are just projecting more of your retarded head canon.

>>512525036
>Anyway Ruth and Job are pre-flood.
There is no evidence within the Bible that Ruth lived before the flood; she is a figure from the time of the judges, long after the flood, and is known for her loyalty to her mother-in-law Naomi and her eventual inclusion in the lineage of King David

Twice I proved you wrong now

>>512525156
>confirms his homosexuality
Kek, what a fag

>>512525156
>Genesis is pre-flood right?
Not all of it no, pecifically chapters 1 through 6, which chronicle the time from the creation of the world and humanity to the onset of the Great Flood.

3 times I've proven you wrong now

>>512525214
>>512525446
>replying twice to the same post in a rage
That's how you lose at 4chan, newfag.

See you next thread kiddo.

>>512525512
The death rattle of a defeated faggot..

>>512524412
>Languages were all the same,
Proven wrong

>>512524085
>Anybody ever actually read the Book of Revelation? I've read it a bunch of times
Considering how you got Genesis wrong, this is most likely a lie

Book of Jashar:
. This text portrays Nimrod as the instigator of the tower, driven by a desire to establish a kingdom and appease his people with blood sacrifices. It also mentions Isaac's arrest for leaving his work gang due to his sons' births and Sarah's intervention to halt the new moon sacrifices.

Various Jewish texts, like the Mekhilta and Genesis Rabbah, mention that the tower was destroyed by winds or fire, with some portions sinking into the earth. Some traditions also suggest that the builders were transformed into various creatures like apes, evil spirits, demons, and ghosts.

Book of Jubilees:
. This book specifies that the tower was built in the land of Shinar, and the builders used burnt bricks and asphalt as mortar. It also states that the tower was built for forty-three years.

A central theme in many apocryphal accounts is the builders' hubris and rebellion against God, often stemming from prosperity and a desire for self-aggrandizement

Jeremiah 51:8-10
1599 Geneva Bible

8 Babel is suddenly fallen, and destroyed: howl for her, bring balm for her sore, if she may be healed.

9 We would have cured Babel, but she could not be healed: forsake her, and let [a]us go everyone into his own country: for her judgment is come up into heaven, and is lifted up to the clouds.

10 The Lord hath brought forth our [b]righteousness: come and let us declare in Zion the work of the Lord our God.

>>512522667
>>512523160
Damn you really do have a sexual perversion to children

>>512495315 (OP)
Did you even read it?

>>512525812
So basically you can only reference a bunch of larping head-canon bullshit that isn't in the bible to make your point about the biblical story?
What's next, are you going to reference some quote about the bible that came from a simpsons episode?

Again we see that God has His purposes: Two-thirds of all the nation of Israel will be cut off and die,[a] but a third will be left in the land. ( Zechariah 13:8); and man will be in general mors scarce than gold as to the few who survive ( Isaiah 13:12

>>512526222
All we have seen is that you are a compulsive liar who doesn't seem to have actually read the bible and gets all your information about it from outside sources.

>>512526200
You keep calling the bible fiction again and again.
do you not know what headcanon means

Headcanons are the fan's own ideas and beliefs about a fictional world, characters, or events.

The bible is not Fiction

>>512526645
>The bible is not Fiction
The supernatural parts are