Thread 512704057

Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should reproduce.
1. The child never asked to be born
2. In all likelihood their life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery
3. There is no obligation to reproduce
Honestly it's starting to seem like reproduction is immoral. Why do it? To create more golem slaves for the government?

>>512704057 (OP)
Don't ask questions, goy.

>>512704057 (OP)
The problem is not your bait, it's that Africans and Indians can't read it.

>>512704057 (OP)
>Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should reproduce.
the population has to continue to go up.
>1. The child never asked to be born
nobody was ever asked to be born and yet we are here.
>2. In all likelihood their life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery
thats part of the life experience, you cant always be happy, to have happiness suffering must exist.

>>512704459
Why do you personally care to change your decisions to marginally make it go up?
>nobody was ever asked to be born and yet we are here.
Correct. Unfortunate.
>thats part of the life experience, you cant always be happy, to have happiness suffering must exist.
Better to not have been born at all and dont experience suffering altogether. It's all unnecessary.

>>512704057 (OP)

My bloody superior genetics?? Damn species wouldn´t be such a fuckheap today if everyone were a bit more like me, ffs.

>>512704803
>Why do you personally care to change your decisions to marginally make it go up?
population MUST grow exponenially until there are at least 900 billion people.
can never have enough people. there must be more.
its also good for the GDP.
>Better to not have been born at all and dont experience suffering altogether.
there is nothing else to do

>>512704057 (OP)
Everyone who is not white reproduce like crazy with no concept of the future in most occasions especially in our economy which they greatly benefit from. They do not care. It's almost scorched earth in the end. Making an educated guess, I feel bad for white people's children.

>>512704057 (OP)
> 1. The child never asked to be born
The child was an egg and a sperm choosing to fertilize. Either half could have rejected the premise, but they accepted instead. Not my problem.

> 2. In all likelihood their life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery
Not my problem.

> 3. There is no obligation to reproduce Honestly it's starting to seem like reproduction is immoral. Why do it? To create more golem slaves for the government?
Again, not my problem.

t. Incel boomer

You grow out of Antinatalism pretty quickly. It's like a college kids first existential crisis philosophy

>>512704057 (OP)
>Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should reproduce.
Propogation of the species is one of our most basic biological imperatives. You are quite literally the result of countless generations of this imperative.
>>512704803
>Better to not have been born at all and dont experience suffering altogether. It's all unnecessary.
If you truly believe this, then kill yourself and stop experiencing suffering altogether.
PROTIP- (You) wont, because deep down (You) know (You) dont believe it.

>>512704057 (OP)
cute little girls don't grow on trees

>>512704057 (OP)
>muh consent
read a book

>>512704057 (OP)
https://youtu.be/HUgZ7kztPBs

>>512706432
I don't think so.
>>512705055
Why do you care what happens to the species after you die?
>>512706395
>Either half could have rejected the premise, but they accepted instead
Neither was the child.
>Not my problem.
Exactly, it's the child's problem not yours. You are imposing a lot of very hard problems on someone who never asked for them in the first place and for whom it's completely unnecessary.
>>512706548
>Propogation of the species is one of our most basic biological imperatives. You are quite literally the result of countless generations of this imperative.
Not a good reason. Why should you follow this supposed "biological imperative"?
>If you truly believe this, then kill yourself and stop experiencing suffering altogether.
Why should I? Doesn't follow.
>>512706671
Benatar's Better Never to have Been is a good one.

>>512704057 (OP)
1. Have you asked to be born? No? Do us a favor and kys.
2. There is a likelihood that your future life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery therefore you should do yourself a favor and kys.
3. Since you are one of the immoral products of reproduction by your own definition you should do us all a favor and kys.
>inb4 no u
I don't share your retarded values.

>>512707222
>Do us a favor and kys.
Ok provide me with the option to do it safely and effectively without traumatizing other people. You won't, because society doesn't provide such options to people like me.
>There is a likelihood that your future life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery therefore you should do yourself a favor and kys.
I might do that but not yet.

>>512704057 (OP)
I would only reproduce if I knew for certain my kids are going to have it better than I ever did
Which, surprisingly, will be the case. But if I was impoverished, had genetic disorders, or a fucked up family that will never change, then absolutely not, no

>>512707312
Canada has medical assistance in dying, they are already killing people without traumatizing other people.

>>512704057 (OP)
>2. In all likelihood their life will contain lots of pain, suffering and misery

This is why poor people shouldn't reproduce, and that's okay. We will have robots and ai replace you since they can't suffer.

>>512707169
>Why should you follow this supposed "biological imperative"?
Because I want the white race to live on. I want us to realize and achieve our destiny among the cosmos. Being an antinatalist faggot and genetic dead end does nothing to advance that goal.
>Why should I?
If life is misery and suffering, then end your life to end the misery and suffering. Pretty simple really. But we know you wont because you know deep down you arent actually in misery or suffering.

>>512707452
They wont take me in.

>>512707579
Why not, they are very open to take immigrants in.

>>512707312
Why wait? Why would you want to continue to endure pain amd suffering? Why dont you just end it all right now?

>>512704057 (OP)
So kill yourself, you Jewish faggot, nobody will miss you.

My dad straight up told me it happened because he was horny and didn't think about the consequences, reproduction is absolutely immoral because life itself is evil. The difficult part now is breaking free of it all.

>>512704057 (OP)
Based, bump

>>512704057 (OP)
Childless people, on average, are much happier than breeders. Children are nothing but trouble.

>>512707822
Life is finite. It will end soon. That's the good thing.

>>512704057 (OP)
>The child never asked to be born
Can unborn children ask to be born?

>>512704057 (OP)
Okay I was an anti-natalist too but I changed my views and I will explain why.

Argument A:
1. Life is inevitable, just because you don't reproduce, won't stop others from reproducing.
2. Even if you kill all humans, some other species will achieve sentience.
3. Even if you kill all life, abiogenesis will just begin again and life will evolve yet again.

Conclusion: You reproducing or not makes no difference to anything, life is inevitable.

Argument B:
1. We're not all equal, this is self-evident just from simple observation.
2. Those who never question their own existence will reproduce without thinking.
3. If you're capable to even consider the question, you are above these people who don't.
4. If you have good genetics and fail to reproduce all the subhumans will still reproduce and take over the Earth.

Conclusion: Your genetic lineage will die out but you won't people being born, instead everyone will be born to abusive nigger-tier parents, addicts, criminals, etc. and denied a chance at life with parents who are loving, intelligent, etc.

Argument C:
1. If life is fundamentally a mistake it needs to eliminated completely.
2. The only people who could theoretically eliminate life completely would be the most intelligent and advanced people

Conclusion: We need to breed people smart enough to destroy the universe and all life in it and all potential of life in order to correct the mistake of life.

Argument D:
1. One can verify through personal experiences as well as studying anecdotal and scientific evidence the reality of astral projection / OBE.
2. One can see from this that life does not end with the death of the body.

Conclusion: Death is not a big deal, not something to be afraid of.

Oh and btw if you're just worried about "pain and suffering" most people have the option to commit suicide including you but you don't.

>>512708043
Exactly, they cannot. It's impossible for them to consent to be brought into being.

>>512707727
I will miss him. You, on the other hand, are way too common of a nationality to matter.

>>512707956
Children are a massive lifetime burden. The worst years will be the first four years, then it's smoother sailing since they're finally somewhat independent. But man it's hell. I can barely take care of myself, a child would doom me to a life of slavery.

>It is curious that while good people go to great lengths to spare their children from suffering, few of them seem to notice that the one (and only) guaranteed way to prevent all the suffering of their children is not to bring those children into existence in the first place.
- David Benatar

>>512708151
Other people have a lot more energy.

>>512704057 (OP)
i was born to nut.

>>512708001
Either the soul is destroyed or the soul lives on forever, both sound good to me after death.

> Creating new people, by having babies, is so much a part of human life that it is rarely thought even to require a justification. Indeed, most people do not even think about whether they should or should not make a baby. They just make one. In other words, procreation is usually the consequence of sex rather than the result of a decision to bring people into existence. Those who do indeed decide to have a child might do so for any number of reasons, but among these reasons cannot be the interests of the potential child. One can never have a child for that child’s sake.
- David Benatar

>>512708001
Depopulation and infertility. Everyone will die out

>>512704057 (OP)
Pedophiles need pussy too.

>>512704369
He could try to post it on nairaland, the ones there can read the basics.

>>512707312
Bro there's a video of me on lifeleak attempting suicide which is very bloody and messed up and everyone cheered me on except one person who intervened to save my life. Most people will derive joy and entertainment out of your passing, many will be relieved too, and absolutely nobody will be "traumatized".

Go join the military and volunteer for the most dangerous jobs constantly.

Also come to Canada where I am here we have MAID.

>>512708439
I think my parents would be traumatized somewhat.

>>512704057 (OP)
It’s what living things do. Life replicates. None asked to be born. No one asked your opinion either. Some shit is just beyond our scope of understanding. Welcome, human. Sorry you’re having a bad day.

>>512707579
Bullshit we don't even have borders everyone gets in only reason you'd ever be denied entry in Canada is you're white and straight.

>>512704057 (OP)
There is no need to argue with anti-natalists. Let them go die purposelessly. If they try to stop you from reproducing, kill them mercilessly as you would anybody else who does so.

>>512708298
Hell is for children. Pat Banatar

>>512707312
Only do it if ou are the color of shit, Otherwise stay with us wed miss you.

>>512707956
Children of intelligent white couples are nothing but a blessing and well behaved.

Children of subhumans are constant trouble.

>>512708592
Let me guess: white, straight (with a police record)

I had no problem getting in.

>>512708151
Well you are a subhuman from a subhuman country so you being sterilized, killed, or otherwise prevented from breeding is a big win for actual humans aka whites.

>>512704057 (OP)
Evolution by natural selection guarantees reproduction. If you don't, you're out, and someone or something else takes your spot. Morality itself is contingent on survival. There is no "should" without "is". In short, your thread is retarded.

>>512708835
Unless they are autistic, anti-social, ADD, spastic, ugly. You know, the usual suspects.

>>512708209
Good people seek a balance in both suffering and pleasure. Those who coddle their kids create fuck ups.

>>512708814
basierter ösi

>>512708298
Did David Benatar have children? What (((ethnicity))) is he?

>>512708151
Here’s an idea: don’t have kids. Looks like my work is done here.

Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should not reproduce.
1. The child never asked to not be born
2. In all likelihood their life will contain lots of pleasure, joy and happiness
3. There is no obligation not to reproduce
Honestly it's starting to seem like reproduction is moral. Why not do it?

>>512708544
No they will be happy to no longer be burdened by you and put on a little celebration. At best they will pretend to be sad at a funeral, if they even have one for you, purely for the social points like my parents did when my brother asphyxiated.

>>512709142
Pretty sure he's an australian jew, and I'm pretty sure he did have children of his own. What's your point?

>>512709142
Google it bitch. Yeah, I’m a parent. Can you tell?

>>512709225
They are not burdened by me. I live alone and financially support them somewhat.

>>512708921
Criminals are very welcome in Canada. Anyone that will help increase inflation and destroy every city is welcome. It's just the high-merit high-achieving super-intelligent and good character types that aren't welcome.

>>512709187
Contrarian answer. Please think for yourself.

>>512708982
I don't even need to see your flag to know you are an Israeli. Nobody gives a fuck about white people except you, whites live rent free inside your jew schizo head.

>>512709227
lmao OF COURSE

He's a jew who had his own children then preaches anti-natalism to the goyim.

My point is jews come on here to try to get whites to stop reproducing by pushing anti-natalism onto us even though they don't push the same onto themselves.

>>512704057 (OP)
Oh look, I just got done commenting about someone's malignant spaw. I return to the catalog and there this is.

>>512704057 (OP)
you have to be 18 to post here

>>512704057 (OP)
To continue your civilization (which yes, includes your government)
Lithuania is prosperous and orderly, one of the best up-and-coming countries on Earth. Light-eyed master race should reproduce prolifically. The beauty of your children makes it worthwhile.

>>512709495
What's the relation? Also what's a malignant spaw?

>>512709274
Okay then they will be a little upset that their slave has died and can no longer provide for them. Big deal. Just kill yourself if you're not white, although the one better thing you can do is kill as many other non-whites as possible before you get taken down.

>>512709384
stfu kike, you kikes promote your VPN flag use so you can manipulate perceptions better, you hate the swastika.

>>512709589
I'm white.

>>512709338
Well. Well rounded nice white guy here. No problem getting into Canada. No police record though. Maybe I did something wrong.

Racist be like: everything bad happen to me is because I’m white. Never because I don’t qualify, I was actually violating a law at the time, or my outstanding warrant for my arrest. Picking on me because I’m white. Fuck off, you’re embarrassing.

>>512709368
If you don't have an argument against the inversion of your points, you don't have a point to begin with.

>>512709642
Doubtful. If true though stop listening to kikes who had children of their own then go on to preach to goyim to stop reproducing. The jews always preach faggotry, anti-natalism, racemixing, etc. to the goyim while they themselves have their own ethnostate, children, etc.

I do the same thing myself I preach feminism, faggotry, anti-natalism, etc. to any non-whites I come across and to the jews but to whites I preach something different. It's because I want the other races gone.

>>512704057 (OP)
An entity that does not exist cannot give consent or reject anything, "Would you have agreed to your conception?" is an unanswerable question, extinction ethics are 100% retarded; "At least we died without being mean"

People that talk about how happy they are to not have children always remind me of a girl in school. Full of, what she would call, confidence. "I don't care what other people think of me!"
While everything she ever did or said proved otherwise.

haha. but i bet you guys are totally different!

>>512704057 (OP)
>Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should reproduce.
To to replace attrition losses and breed soldiers for the wars to come.

>>512704057 (OP)
You'll get it once you grow up zoomer

>>512709732
Yeah you came to Canada before 9/11 or before Trudeau didn't you?

Oh and you're an obvious shitlib from your post so that also explains how you get on in easily. Of course cuckolds are allowed in so you got in. Antifa/communists etc. are very welcome here.

>>512709824
Best answer. Very based.

>>512709753
You’d be arguing against yourself if arguing against an inversion of the argument.

>>512709981
Thank god for cattle, amirite?

>>512709920
But not assholes with a police record. Prudent.

>>512707169
>Why do you care what happens to the species after you die?
To die with the hope that my seed and the seed of those I care about can conquer eternity, and paint that endless night with stars

>>512710012
False dichotomy

>>512704057 (OP)
Imagine...living an easier, cushier, happier life than almost any generation if your ancestors. The ones who lived and died I. the mud, starving and sick and illiterate, for like...300k years. Every generation up until like 200 years ago at best. And here you are...bitching and moaning and complaining about how hard existence is. Fat and lazy and using wifi and electricity and satellites to order fucking doordash. And you're still fucking complaining about your existence, Sheckleberg.

YOU are proof that an easy evolutionary environment is NOT inherently beneficial. You're a genetic and cultural joke. Go outside and get some fucking sun, teject. You have become detatched from the human condition and it's fucking cringe.

>>512704057 (OP)
This is what it looks like when you're too stupid to realize that humanity began before you were born and that wifi and electricity arent something we've always had.

>>512704057 (OP)
The only way I'd have children is if I have enough money to provide for them for at least 20 years, otherwise no thanks. I have enough shit on my own

>>512710162
A police record means you're a crijminal thus beneficial in helping Canada be destroyed. All niggers, communists, fent addicts, etc. human filth of all kind is welcome in Canada. Chuds are not.

>>512710864
OP has multiple times quoted a Jew who has had children but made anti-natalist comments in this thread and when I pointed it out to him he has just gone silent.

>children for me goy, but not for thee
>tfw you are the carbon (((they))) want to reduce

>>512704057 (OP)
1. Irrelevant.
2. Yep.
3. Because i want to.

You're just along for the ride and you can literally always get off. Most don't.

>>512711693
Yeah so what? Many antinatalists have children before they become antinatalists. Not a big deal. Moreover whatever he says is true or false regardless of his own personal life, which he tries to keep private. Evaluate the arguments on their own merits (they're good).

>>512704803
Then kill yourself if life is meaningless. Why haven’t you?

>>512704057 (OP)
The chosen ones need more goycogs to perpetuate this hebraic machine

>>512711852
so why are you doing an existential crisis in a blogpost on 4chan
on /pol/ of all places?
are you underage or you just really needed attention today?

OP is retarded and doesn't understand that the only people who would even consider antinatalism are whites.

If whites die out, then the third world takes over.

I am telling you now that the third worlder doesn't give a shit about the child's consent or the child's harm or whatever bullshit you are trying to argue because the third worlder doesn't *care* about morality. They will reproduce because they are animals.

THAT's why you should reproduce. I'd rather Europe had lithuanians than Africans.

>>512704057 (OP)
So why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Its the next logical step? You can't be miserable when you are dead

>>512704057 (OP)
Life is actually pretty amazing when you're not ruled by gay satanic pedophiles. Though until that day arguably you're justified in not bringing anyone here.

>>512710864
Life may not be miserable for those without kids (debatable in this day and age), but what's the point of coasting into the grave

>>512711874
70IQ talking point

>>512708298
Imagine having a vegan kike as your main influence in live. Lol

>>512704057 (OP)
SEXO

>>512712796
Veganism is good too. Im vegan also.

>>512712331
OP faggot wrote:
>Better to not have been born at all and dont experience suffering altogether. It's all unnecessary.
In other words its better to not live so you don't feel misery. But he still lives. That makes no sense from a logical point. No?

>>512704057 (OP)
YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU SHOULDN'T REPRODUCE

>>512711983
OP is yet to engage with this - because this is a bait thread.

>>512713210
IT IS PERFECTLY LOGICAL BECAUSE YOU ASSUME PEOPLE ALWAYS PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH WHICH IS NOT TRUE. WHAT HAVE DECADES OF LOGIC BROUGHT YOU?

>>512704057 (OP)
Continuous life is consent to life. Nothing stops you from leaving life right now. It can be painless, easy, and instantaneous. Every time your lungs inhale, you consent to life. Just stop if you don't wanna live. Nobody cares about your homosexuality.

>BUT I SHOULDNT TRAUMATIZE OTHA PEOPLEEE

Cope that is completely anti-thethical to your message and ideology. If life is meaningless and we're destined to suffer, who cares who else gets traumatized? In fact, if suffering is guaranteed to be maximized and non-consensual, then this trauma is effectively irrelevant and nothing changes for the people that are traumatized by your suicide.

Just makes no sense. Reads like a little backdoor to pussy out safely from while feigning intellectualism and morality.

You can't both be nihilistic and anti-life and suddenly be like BUT WHAT IF IT TRAUMATIZES THE COCKROACH IN MY BASEMENT WHEN I QUIETLY AND PAINLESSLY KILL MYSELF?

Homo, pussy, homo, pussy.

>>512713513
Two wonderfull sons, a beautiful wife and a comfy IT job.

>>512711983
Alternatively you could influence the life equation by reducing the third world populations. If you white and dont make atleast two kids, you should morally take two others with you, statistically speaking. Of course i dont recommend anyone do anything violent or illegal.

>>512714463
BASED

>>512711852
>so what if a jew does something beneficial for his tribe then promotes something destructive for others, who cares

It's a huge deal dude. It's called hypocrisy. Some cultures like Islam kill hypocrites, one third of the Quran is just dedicated to hypocrites, who are seen as worse than regular enemies. Nobody respects a philosopher also that didn't live in harmony with his own philosophy. Diogenes is hugely respected because he was not a hypocrite. Jews promote internationalism to goyim, nationalism for themselves. No children for goyim, children for themselves, etc.

Is this literally your first day on /pol/ or are you Jewish and doing pilpul?

Antinatalism has won. That is why every first world country has low birth rates. Humans will go extinct which is a good thing.

>>512713014
Become a breatharyan just live off of air and stop eating plants. Leave the meat and plants for your betters (jews) a goy like you should apologize every day for even existing.

>>512711983
Being white or black doesn't change the fact that existence is suffering. The race and country you worship so much will be annihilated when the sun becomes a red giant anyway

>>512704057 (OP)
ITT the forces of Esau trying to convince you to give up your birthright.

>>512704057 (OP)
So it can be a Terrorist that wholly brings down the Jewish enemy. Obviously.

The sun will become a red giant and consume the earth. Existence has always been meaningless. There is no argument against antinatalism

>>512707822
Exactly

>>512704057 (OP)
to keep up that suicide rate high goy

>>512715333
Life is a gift. Even if it doesn't lead to anything, even if it ends in darkness, every moment that you get to experience is a minute the dying would give anything to have again. Stop being stupid.

>>512715237
The white race will live on even when Sol dies because we will spread out throughout the entire galaxy and beyond.

Also blacks are dumb non-sentient animals and incapable of suffering as such. You did not suffer when you were a little child because there was no you to experience that suffering. The you that suffers only becomes aware of its own existence at a later date. In the case of negroes there is no self within them, there is just an empty automaton run on instinct. The same way your body was running around and doing things when it was like 2 years old, a negro is automaton like that but it's whole life.

>>512715118
> First worlders go extinct
>ALL of humanity will go extinct

Brown hands typed this.

>>512715237
>erm... err... it will all be annihilated in several billion years from now or something even tho whites might go extinct in our lifetimes

You don't understand. Let me explain it to you as you are a complete RETARD.

I have first hand experience working amongst third worlders. They are not intellectually capable enough to even CONSIDER antinatalism. The black doesn't think raping and killing is suffering btw.

This is fact. This isn't me saying my race or my country is amazing. I am telling you right now that if the first world embraced antinatalism, every other race will take over instead.

Of course you are a pathetic memeflag so we all know we can't take you seriously.

>>512715516
Thanks...it made me cry

>>512715333
My arguments against anti-natalism are all here and I can definitely make more: >>512708106

Also faggot OP and other pretend anti-natalists in this thread still haven't responded to ANY of my arguments because you're all fakes.

I genuinely believed anti-natalism and spread it for many years on various imageboards until I eventually through hegelian dialectic figured out various answers to the problem by myself because nobody was able to refute me over the years so I had to do it myself.

>>512715516
Only pajeets find this fake optimism moving

>512708106
The fourth reason on argument B should be the reason you shouldn't be an antinatalist.

No one who is a pragmatist can rationally claim that refusing to reproduce will reduce suffering. Third worlders don't even consider antinatalism. Of course antinatalists are privileged people who have never been to third world countries so they can't grasp this.

>>512715777
There's nothing fake about it, only an absolute fool would throw away everything they'll get to experience because the chips are down. Even pain and sorrow are experiences worth having, even if it's just to contrast against pleasure and comfort.

>>512715516
After seeing all the suffering and evil in this world I hope the universe will end in a big rip or heat death literally now

>>512715516
Every argument that is like "life bad" or "life good" is FUCKING STUPID.

Your life is bad ... or good. Doesn't mean everyone's life is also bad/good.

We're not equals, there is no equality.

Some people who reproduce, most should not.

Some people should live, most should go on a murder spree until they die.

Also not all suffering is the same. I've lived with chronic pain many years, but does that compare to my brother who was a quadriplegic unable to kill himself and who eventually died a very slow and painful death from his own spine twisting until his internal organs were squeezed and he couldn't breath properly anymore and died from "aspiration"?

I also managed to cure my chronic pain with DMT and when I did have it I could manage it with meditation though I'd be exhausted all the time from using so much constant will-exertion to hold it at bay and never being able to sleep.

Suffering is not that big of a deal. I didn't mind so much eating from dumpsters, freezing every winter in the cold Canadian winters, never sleeping properly, getting robbed and beaten by drug addicts, having infections, brain fog, etc. Only a few times did I try to kill myself and fucked up, and I'm quite indifferent today to the outcome, neither sad nor happy about it because I realize now there is only life and death is just some fiction.

The value of a life is not based on the amount of suffering or pleasure. The value of a life is based on awareness and that is a spiritual quality that can grow from every turn of circumstances. The ideal state is non-attachment and this is the solution also to suffering and even lets people exert control over circumstances and body. You can be like RJ Spina and heal from paralysis and everything.

And if you die it doesn't matter. All that matters is we cultivate beauty, strength, intelligence, and all good qualities. This world will either turn into a disgusting shit filled garbage filled trash heap of subhuman pajeets or...

>>512708106
Capped for future use, but it won't stop antinatalists from maliciously trying to push their narrative because manipulating people into a dead end is a surrogate of the power process for them and succeeding in doing so gives them a para-sexual tingle.

Your rational arguments are inferior to the kick they get from acting as indirect and slimy monsters.

>>512715527
Whites are not leaving this planet. Antinatalism is the dominant philosophy in all first world countries. Third world countries will replace the first world and the world will fall back into the stone age

...or a place of Nordic super chads with eagle eye vision, incredible intellect, beautiful hair and eye colors, tall and strong bodies, etc. but it depends on whether we make the right choices in embracing eugenics in all its forms or not.

OP on the other hand is a wimp, a hypocrite, quotes a jewish hypocrite, and the fruits of his preaching will only be that a few self-aware people capable of questioning their existence fail to reproduce while the pajeets and niggers will flood the world with their offspring.

If you give a fuck about morality at all, you'll stop the criminals, non-whites, and degenerates from breeding and you'll have kids yourself who can create a better world. If you really give a fuck about environment, suffering, and whatever else moral issues you'll remake the world in the image of Scandinavia not Somalia.

>>512704057 (OP)
>There is no obligation to reproduce
False demon. It is God's first commandment to man, right on page 1 of Genesis.

>>512715544
I don't really care about third worlders taken over when the red giant sun will consume the earth

Nothing we do matters
Life is a mistake

>>512713014
Are you a homo anon? Be honest? Anyway im honestly intestred how you went and became anti life. Bad xhildhood? Terrible parrents? Too much kike propaganda?

>>512716397
Suffering matters. The basic MO of life is escaping suffering and seeking pleasure.

>>512716362
There's so much more to life, though. If you're upset at pain and suffering you should do your best to address it. It's how we became as merciful as we are.

>>512716594
So you don't really believe in your bullshit philosophy?
If nothing matters, who's stopping me from having 10 kids?

You don't genuinely believe in your philosophy.

>>512708106
Abiogenesis is as real as your axe wound is a real vagina.

>>512716594
Yet you think its more fun to be alive and post on 4chan instead of being dead?

You have to keep up with the niggers

>>512704057 (OP)
kids give your life meaning, and if you raise them right they take care of you when you're old.

>>512715703
Nice argument. I will like to hear more

>>512716594
If life is a mistake then you need to see argument C that I made here: >>512708106

Also if nothing matters then how come we can communicate, how come everything we do leaves a permanent record in the akashic records, and how come you choose every day certain actions that benefit you and avoid certain actions that don't? You don't just lay down and wait for the dehydration and bugs biting you to torment you as you wait for death like I've done, you don't act like life doesn't matter.

Everything matters in far more plausible. The only way we could say something doesn't matter is by pointing out that something is redundant and that something could be eliminated and something else takes it place. This however does not support the supposition that "life does not matter" it just supports the idea that maybe your life doesn't matter.

However it really does matter. Maybe not in a positive sense, it could be in a bad way. There is no such thing really as a neutral life, you're always either a problem or a blessing to someone and something else.

>>512717290
You are arguing with a *fascist* meme flag (lol) who refuses to even engage with your argument. Just says "I like to hear more"

Why waste your time on someone who's philosophy is based entirely on their emotions?

>>512716570
Your Nordic super chads will go extinct and whatever they built will be annihilated by the sun
Nothing matters
Antinatalism has won

>>512716572
I wish God existed then this hell world would make a lot of sense. But there is no God.

>>512716760
Most of life does not suffer because to suffer requires self-awareness.

Suffering is a small and transitional phase in the development of consciousness.

It occurs during a phase in which one becomes aware of ones own existence as separate from others.

It goes away when the process of identification leads one away from this false concept of self.

I recommend you read the writings of William Walker Atkinson about this and you could also read Buddhist texts and Arthur Schopenhauer and Law of One stuff but really Atkinson explains the different stages of consciousness best and how to go about developing it in his writings on yoga.

You should also take DMT and take up meditation because right now your perspective on life just isn't right.

In all things the bellcurve meme is real. The dimwit and genius agree on things, the midwit doesn't. Same thing with consciousness. The 2nd density and 4th density consciousness agree on things the 3rd density consciousness does not. Just in the case of 2D it's pure instinct and not aware of anything abstract at all, and in 4D the barriers of disassociation (in the sense it's talked about in analytical idealism aka Bernardo Kastrup stuff) are broken down to some extent leading one away from 3D concepts and fears.

>>512716655
Not a homo. Im basically an ugly incel who has been bullied throughout my childhood.
>>512717094

>>512717451
>>512717505

>>512708106
>Argument A
Yeah you probably wont achieve the extinction of all sentient life by not reproducing. Does that mean it doesn't make difference to anything? Obviously not. By reproducing you create one more life of pain and suffering, and by not reproducing you prevent that one life from happening. There is a very significant difference. Just like by choosing not to steal and not to murder other people you don't stop stealing and murder altogether in the world, but you still do something good and the world is better off because of your choice.
Didn't read the other arguments.

>>512717451
Read The Animate and The Inanimate by William James Sidhi it's about entropic vs negentropic processes. Look up also low energy nuclear physics especially as it applies to daisies and other lifeforms. I'm telling you this because your whole idea we can't escape the solar system and go far beyond such that when sol dies, we'll be fine, is ridiculous. Within a thousand years we won't even be contained to this solar system and that's an extremely short timespan relative to evolutionary timespans. There is no reason our race can't survive forever and evolve into many other races that will populate the cosmos. There is also no reason to believe in the death of the universe, as entropy is balanced out by processes that reverse entropy, but if you did believe in the big bang bullshit you might as well be a christcuck then since they invented that to justify their concept of God since logically a created universe requires a creator.

>>512708106
>Oh and btw if you're just worried about "pain and suffering" most people have the option to commit suicide including you but you don't.
Tell me how I can commit suicide in a safe guaranteed and painless way that doesn't traumatize or cause trouble for other people.

>>512716971
Explain the origins of life then retard. You going to say Yahweh just made us one day?

>>512716780
That too. If nothing matters how can one communicate and what could give one a motivation to make moral claims about suffering and this or that moral issue. If nothing matters then one ought not to argue anything concerning morality and just go about one's life with no preferences.

>>512717505
Yeah that's very depressing. I used to believe in god too, until I realized it's all cope and lies.
>>512717094
Ok and murdering and raping can also give someone meaning. Doesn't make it ok. Nobody asks to be born, they are born into a world full of cruelty and pain and suffering where they suffer for decades upon decades because of their genetics and their circumstances. If you care about the well being of your potential offspring the best way to ensure they don't feel much pain and suffering is to not reproduce.

>>512716572
I mean even if you're a christian it's not a sin not to reproduce, and given the cost/benefit analysis for yourself and your potential future child it's way better not to reproduce. Priests in many denominations dont reproduce, it's allowed.

>>512717505
God is space and you are in it.

Space is possessed of every attribute of God,. necessarily so.

It's immutable, eternal, omnipresent, infinite, absolute, has the potential of all manifest things, etc.

The personal god of religions doesn't exist but the very real god that is the void/space/infinite-potential/cosmic-mind is real.

>>512718181
>>512718275

>>512718156
Preventing suffering matters. Not reproducing matters. Encouraging others not to reproduce matters too. World is a hellhole and nobody deserves to be born into this cruel and evil place.

>>512717924
Your choice to reproduce as a white man reduces the overall suffering in the world. Your choice to reproduce as a Jewish or non-white man increases the overall suffering in the world. Refute this; you can't because everything you say is pilpul, selective reasoning, confirmation bias, and hypocrisy.

>>512718437
>Your choice to reproduce as a white man reduces the overall suffering in the world
Respectfully, I don't think it does. I think it guarantees a lifetime of pain and suffering for my offspring, who has never consented to it.

>>512718526
I never consented to reading your retarded dribble yet I have the displeasure of having to read it anyways.

What's your response to this considering you've dodged half this thread?

>>512718181
Life is really depressing for no reason.

>>512717451
>antinatalism has won
>more people alive concurrently than in human history

Post your hands.

>>512717987
Go walk towards a military base, especially an American one, which can be found anywhere and goad them into shooting you. You'll be disappeared and people will think you just went missing and it will be a quick painless death with no suffering.

Oh and btw I slashed myself up once, hanged myself, and gassed myself.

Gassing I don't recommend. Eyes and lungs burnt and I have nausea for all of fall, winter, until a specific day in April that it cleared up. Immense suffering involved.

Slashing on the other hand? Very pleasurable. Seneca the Younger died that way.

Adrenaline stops you experiencing any pain.

Hanging also is extremely pleasurable. There's a reason people do it purely for pleasure. After a few moments of struggle I had an instant out of body experience. Then came to on the ground with the belts still around my neck, I had flopped about, and the window crank had broke from my body weight.

To avoid muh troubling others (which you do anyways all the time like today you are troubling us all) and muh "trauma" just go get lost first.

>>512718437
Imagine caring about whites and blacks when faced with the terror of existence. Race is nothing.

>>512704459
>the population has to continue to go up.
Why? What would be morally wrong with voluntary human extinction?

>>512718372
You don't prevent suffering by not being born. You prevent suffering by addressing it and working against it. You can prevent a little bit of suffering everyday until you've been fighting against suffering your entire life, dying with a smile on your face.

>>512704582
Pretty much literally the opposite of everything expressed by every self professed anti Natalist since the creation of the term but sure. The movement is entirely composed of the one on the right

>>512718760
Partial hanging in my wardrobe is my main option.
What gas did you use? Nitrogen? What went wrong?

>>512718744
That is unfortunately because of advancements in medicine and agriculture. But antinatalism is reigning now.

>>512718826
When faced with the terror of existence you have to understand that blacks CANNOT grasp this supposed threat

You are retarded and you are not grounded in reality. Almost no one shares your braindead philosophy.

Take off the memeflag and post hands. I am confident you are a brown and dodging my questions.

>>512718899
no one would be suffering if they weren't born. Extinction of the human race will end our collective suffering.

>>512718899
>You don't prevent suffering by not being born
Had I not been born I wouldnt have suffered and felt pain and had various negative experiences in my life. It would have been better had I never been born, since there would have been a lifetime's worth less of suffering.

>>512704057 (OP)
My bloodline has stayed intact and its sons have remained largely uncontaminated for a really long ass time and they all endured far worse conventional bullshit, though none of them ever experienced anything close to as much Jewish, retarded, and gay shit as I have. My kids will be shielded from it as long as possible and the oral history I got about them and the fake and gay Union and its government will get passed on to their kids

>>512719025
Why do you care about race so much? I don't get it
Only low IQ rednecks care about race.

>>512718181
God is not all cope and lies. Just specific claims about God are not correct and certain claims are correct. This whole package thinking bullshit is a clear sign of a non-rational non-analytical thinker. You have to think through each and every doctrine and not "throw the baby out with the bathwater" as the saying goes. Religions are full of bullshit and yet not everything is wrong. With every single religion and ideology you should practice hegelian dialectic and also seek out the strongest arguments for and against things that you can find, just like Thomas Aquinas did in his age. You should try very hard to have something positive to say about all the different religions and ideologies as well as criticisms. Only after really doing your due diligence if you still happen to find an ideology to be entirely wrong, then okay, at least you can then go through each and every doctrine and reject it all. And you may also find the opposite too, like I really do find it hard to find fault with the writings of Atkinson despite searching through all his writings. At best I can point to some speculations he acknowledged as speculations about gravity not panning out, but then he gives an alternative solution which has been verified in later years way after his death, so that isn't much of a "fault".

>>512719079
>>512719082
Life is a gift, it's why you're either trying to be talked off the ledge or trick others into giving it up.

I really dont understand how someone doesn't become an antinatalist once they let go of all the copes and lies, about religion, politics etc. Your life is all you have, you are a fallible biological machine whose experience is concentrated in your brain. There is no god, there is no purpose, there is no meaning to anything. Pain is real, unimaginable amounts of people and animals are suffering, being tortured every second. Yet there will be no retribution for them, nobody will get punished for it, there is no justice in the world, no karma. Their suffering is meaningless, and so is the suffering in eveyone else's life. And you get old, sick, your brain deteriorates, with it together your experience of life and of the world. It gets dimmer. You get cancer. Nobody cares, there is no justice. You experience chronic pain, nobody cares. Everyone is busy with their own life. You die, nobody cares. Life moves on for everyone else. They keep reproducing.

>>512718526
Right now there's 1.4 billion pajeets on this world and the next generation is only 1% white.

There is a 99 chance you will be reborn in your next incarnation as a shitskin.

This is not acceptable.

Also the evidence for reincarnation is overwhelming.

>>512719193
Why do you dodge my questions everytime? You know that I am right, is that why you never answer them?

Also whats wrong with being a "low iq redneck"? do you have disdain for others who you don't like? What do you make of the suffering you have inflicted upon the stupid heckin low iq rednecks?

Holy shit this is too funny. POST HANDS MEMEFLAG! I'm not even American, I can't see how I could be a redneck.

>>512718735
This is anti-scientific. Every effect has a cause. To say life is really depressing "for no reason" is retarded. Also you are projecting your own life on all life. The life of some random happy Amish family that has never suffered once is just as valid as the life that has only known suffering from beginning to end. Not all lives our equal, some are nothing but suffering, and some are nothing but pleasure, and many are somewhere inbetween.

>>512719395
It's a gift one cannot refuse. I never asked to be born. By bringing me into existence my parents have caused me immense suffering and pain and sadness. I would prefer never to have been born, and I do not enjoy this gift. I do not enjoy being alive.

>>512719343
Personal overarching deity that communicates with humans and cares about human affairs is fake cope. That's what I meant.

>>512718826
Race is everything. All things are eternal. The log that burns up becomes heat, light, ashes, soot. It does not "become nothing" it is a change of form. If you were the body, and clearly if you think about you are not for every cell in your body is constantly replaced like a Ship of Theseus, that body isn't just disappearing. It's becoming other things. That which you are truly never perishes, it just takes on new forms, for all things are BY NECESSITY made out of that which is eternal. For what else can be the source of all things but that which has always been, and having always been, does not require anything as a cause for itself? It just is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

>>512719429
>Humans are fallible and experience is concentrated in our brains (acknowledging subjective experience)

>I don't understand why OTHER people (who have different experiences to me) aren't depressed like I am.

>There is no meaning to anything.

How do atheists think like this? I thought you all were heckin realistic scientists who say that everything has a cause and its all empirical.

everyone in this thread who is anti-natalist is a RETARD.

>>512718872
It would result in a planet of the apes scenario and one day another "Adam" who wakes up in his body and finds himself completely surrounded by niggers and whose lineage then will be the first in a new line of sentient beings who will have to struggle with many two legged beasts all around them who look like them but lack that spark of awareness.

>>512719429
What makes you think people aren't antinatalist? Have you seen the birth rates of first world countries?

>>512719600
you're 100% underage
fuck off from 4chan

>>512718958
I mixed bleach with other cleaning chemicals.

What went wrong is a ton of foam came out of my mouth, a torrent of tears came down my cheeks, and I got seriously fucked up but I got dragged out of the basement and didn't die by some miracle.

It also was a very spontaneous thing btw I just saw an opportunity and took it and made it out like it was just an accidental mixing of chemicals but the whole time the gas was filling up the basement I kept mopping and did not make any effort to escape hoping that I would die.

>>512720113
The fact that my coworkers and other people around me keep reproducing.
>>512720161
k

>>512719582
I am not projecting. Everyone is suffering. life IS suffering

>>512720180
Sounds retarded, dont do that. If I were to gas myself it would be with inert gas not toxic fumes like that.

>>512720224
I know the pedophile moderation very much like your kind
mentally challenged isolated easily manipulated underage in an existential crisis
hence those filths refusing to delete your stupid blogpost

>>512719600
I'm glad you're here. If you were never born we'd never be having this conversation, I wouldn't be able to feel this sympathy for you. In a way you're forcing me to validate all my beliefs that lead me to seeing life as valuable. Thank you.

>>512717717
Allright. That explains a lot. Thank you for being honest. Wish you the best in life. Cheers

>>512719079
It will not. Advancing towards 4D, cultivating non-attachment, and also addressing the 3D issues will end suffering. You end suffering by changing your consciousness or else addressing the causes of the suffering.

Niggers won't stop breeding even if you do. The decision to reproduce or not should be based purely upon eugenics nothing else.

I also believe that anti-natalism is largely a philosophy of convenience similar to how Mohammad always had an easy out from his own rules by just going into a room alone and coming out saying Allah made a new revelation just then and now he can have extra wives even though he just decreed everyone else can only have a certain number of them he's special and gets more that kind of thing.

A lot of this anti-natalism isn't about morality it's about self-indulgence.

>>512719082
Yet you don't kill yourself to prevent future suffering. Your whole argument about not being born being preferable to future suffering also applies equally to the issue of you being alive right now.

Also all things happen by necessity. You can't prevent your own birth. Some cosmic process was going to result in you awakening in a body somewhere in time and space no matter what. You have always existed and always will exist because that is the eternal nature of all things.

>>512719193
People are a tribal spieces. This news to you?

>>512719193
The white race produces the most genius. The Asians are highest average intelligence but that's only because there's a lot of retarded white men. Asians cluster towards the midwittery, Whites have more spread out IQ. Those geniuses that the white race regularly produces are the reason we're communicating on the internet right now and have all manner of technology. No other race could have produced the world we live in right now, if whites weren't around the next most advanced race would be the chinks and they are not very creative so you'd just be living in some feudal warlord's lands and wielding a crossbow or living in a mudhut in that world where whites disappeared.

>>512720605
>Yet you don't kill yourself to prevent future suffering. Your whole argument about not being born being preferable to future suffering also applies equally to the issue of you being alive right now.
Not exactly the same. By not killing myself I only affect my own future suffering. However, by reproducing one imposes suffering on another, unconsenting being. Moreover killing oneself is a big and scary act. I don't really want to go to the mental hospital again if I fail, and there's a significant risk ill end up injuring myself in a way that significantly worsens the quality of my life without killing myself. There's also things like survival instinct, effect on my parents. Lots of considerations, not as straightforward as the question of reproduction.
>Also all things happen by necessity. You can't prevent your own birth. Some cosmic process was going to result in you awakening in a body somewhere in time and space no matter what. You have always existed and always will exist because that is the eternal nature of all things.
Sounds like some new age woo, I dont believe that.

>>512704057 (OP)
Sounds like cope from a loser who will never pair bond or even be in the position to procreate. Therefore, your shitty opinion means fuck all.

>>512720625
Why does your tribe even matter? Low IQ people are animals and are controlled by instincts but smart people don't care about race

You ever notice that the promortalist guru hasn't killed himself? It's like he's crafting a doctrine for other people to follow that he doesn't actually have faith in.

>>512721077
Are you going to post hands? >>512719463

>>512704057 (OP)
1. if a soul doesn't want to it won't incarnate
2. and? people are still willing to suffer over dying
3. there is an obligation to your kin to reproduce

>>512719429
Go search up Analytical Idealism and Bernardo Kastrup on youtube and go down the rabbit hole watching all the related scientists, philosophers, and researchers that give interviews and go read their publications and their books for example on libgen you can find "Science Ideated" and "The Idea of the World". You're spewing outdated, irrational, debunked non-scientific bullshit that was only plausible back when Bakunin was writing his anarchocommunist ideas about the state. Sometime around 1890-1910 materialism was already completely debunked and abandoned by anyone serious with many further nails in the coffin of materialism added since then. Jeffery Mishlove on youtube has a fairly recent video too in the last month or so about this.

Oh and btw you're being a hypocrite again and contradicting yourself again. You're talking in your post about how nobody cares but in your previous posts you're asking me about a way to kill yourself without traumatizing others. So make up your mind do your parents care about or does nobody care about you?

As for purpose. Tools have a purpose. There's a whole science of purpose called "teleology" you should be studying.

You also say pain is real. It is a mental state that can indeed be experienced and is temporary. However the self is far more real for it is constant, enduring, always and forever. The meaning of "real" is eternal, immutable, unchanging, absolute, etc. and is contrasted with the idea of maya aka ephemeral, temporary, finite, dream-like, etc.

>>512704057 (OP)
>Lithuanian flag

Please don’t reproduce, the world doesn’t need any more baltniggers.
I’m gonna reproduce because my bloodline and culture deserve to be perpetuated. Easy as.

>>512719429
Btw the idea that nobody cares about chronic pain is refuted by my existence. I care about it. I found a solution to it. When I find other people that have it,. I try to help them, as I don't want them to go through what I went through for years. Smoke DMT, do acupuncture, and use meditation and you can heal from chronic pain.

>>512721325
I'm not a materialist, I think materialism was disproven by Chomsky. What claims I've made that you disagree with and why.

>>512721426
Fuck I meant to say materialism was disproven by Newton not Chomsky. Chomsky just had a lecture about it.

>>512721077
>smart people don't care about race

The vast majority of people don't care about antinatalism.

Also read argument C
>>512708439

>>512708106
I'm morbidly curious. any hints as to where I an find this? Sorry for the pain you went through. Glad you could see the other side.

>>512721569
got the post IDs mixed up, oh well.

If the memeflag is as high IQ as he portrays xemself to be they would understand

>>512719429
All living matter is teleological, from single cells to human societies. Claiming that human life has no purpose is absurd.

>>512719693
Synchronicity is a form of communication between the personal self and the cosmic self. Through positive feedback loops it can become extremely benevolent. The cosmic consciousness cares about us the same way we care about the cells in our own body. We want harmony between all the cells because we love the body as a whole, and the cosmic consciousness wants the same of you and will allow corrections and adjustments and learning and even destruction all depending on the needs of the body as a whole. Also much of what you interpret as a really horrible thing is really just a very temporary learning experience that benefits you in the long run. Even a short life of hardship and death leaves its imprint on the personal self as it journeys onwards through eternity. There is a record of every life, there is a society we build through our many contributions, and there is a pattern which we continue into the next life even if we don't remember the previous life there is always some continuity in regards to the development of awareness/spirit.

>>512721569
People won't say they are antinatalist but they are practicing it. Take a look at the birthrates

>>512720113
Women control reproduction. One man can easily impregnate thousands of women in a single day through a sperm bank, it's women who decide if they reproduce or not, men are nearly entirely irrelevant. Unfortunately females are midwits of gender. Their intelligence clusters towards the norms same as Asians. Which means they are smart enough to be susceptible to propaganda but not smart enough to see through it. Dumb people do by nature/instinct what is right, really intelligent people then understand why nature was right all along, but midwits don't think things through and fall for every fallacious line of reasoning, every cognitive bias, etc. The population is not going through extinction but it is going through a bottleneck and there will be a South Africa style competency crisis, many fentanyl zombies, and no working infrastructure. The next generation though I see coming up of whites, even though it's so small, it's very different in character from my generation (I was born 1993). Only people immune to the brainwashing are reproducing. I think there is a cycle that goes like this: The retards and geniuses work together to make a great society, the midwits multiply too much and drive the whole thing into the ground, the midwits die out, the retards also then die a lot too, and a very few actually intelligent women end up keeping their lineages alive and the world gets better. Unfortunately right now there is a ton of dead weight because midwits bred themselves + the retards in huge numbers.

>>512722017
still won't post hands, still cherry picking which questions to answer.

fucking kek

>>512720227
A lot of what you might call suffering is to me pleasure. If you experienced really intense pain, or really prolonged pain, or really prolonged and intense pain then much of what you may have thought of as suffering before pales in comparison. Anyways you're wrong. Pleasure happens and some people live in pleasure continually all the time until they die, just as some people only suffer. Defining life as suffering is retarded. Life is life. It's not reducible to pain or pleasure.

Watch/listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9lObWclFQ&list=RDLB9lObWclFQ&start_radio=1

That video btw is a representation of the negentropic and entropic processes described by William James Sidhi and it's also influenced greatly by National Socialist and Fascist and Traditionalist philosophy. If you read Evola or otherwise appreciate the occidental tradition then the art in that video and the lyrics has great meaning, it's like a condensation of so many thousands of words into a few minutes.

>>512707649

if there was a painless and 100% guarenteed way to die, a lot of people would.

the methods for suicide are mostly painful and if you mess up, you are going to suffer even more for the rest of your life due to brain damage etc... that is why most people that want to, are afraid to.

>>512722423
>or really prolonged and intense pain then much of what you may have thought of as suffering before pales in comparison
I'm in a state that's the reverse of that I'm in pain remembering when things were going well and hoping that others get to experience it as well. Even though my joy is long in the past it kindles my heart to this day.

>>512720912
It's not "new age woo" it's called DETERMINISM. You know, that thing that science is based on, and which justifies rationality and logic? You want us to believe what? That the whole universe just poofed into existence by chance like in Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics or by the act of a god that is somehow outside of the universe like in Deism?

You can observe for yourself that all things only change forms. Things don't just stop existing they just change vibration. This is the year 2025 you should know that the log turns into heat, light, energy, ashes, etc. it doesn't disappear. Your body is made entirely out of pre-existing materials. Same with everything in existence. Ex nihilo fiat is a bs Christian concept. You can't get something from nothing. You can only get something from something. There is that which is, always, eternally. That something is space/ether. It contains everything, has the potential of everything, and is never destroyed. The universe is not finite, there is no edge to the universe, and no start to it. It's just infinite space in all directions forever. The center of the universe is everywhere.

>>512704057 (OP)
Quite simply, the noble ones or the awake ones don't reproduce.
You are asking a question about people (the majority) who don't see through the world, so they don't question reproducing. Also their religions lie to them and tell them it is something to be desired, on top of their natural instinct and desire.

>>512704057 (OP)
>Give me one (1) good reason why anyone should reproduce.
Shalom

>>512721077
The guy who discovered DNA cares about race. All truly smart people care about race. Evolution didn't stop with humans, we're not equal as individuals, and we're not equal as groups. Biological determinism and biological inequality are real. Only idiots ignore these and engage in superstitious thinking and denial of reality. You're basically on a level with a Flat Earther if you think a downie is equal with a Tesla, or that a tribe of niggers in Africa that never invented the wheel is equal with a city of Dutch people working on producing computer electronics.

>>512721320
I don't believe your first proposition. I believe that a conscious birth is a right earned through intense cultivation so that one basically remains lucid through the entire death process. The majority reincarnate automatically while a minority actually pick their next incarnation intentionally. It's the same issue of how the heart is regulate by the subconscious for most but some gain the ability to regulate it through conscious-will-effort. Or lucid dreamers vs those who dream but forget they are dreaming. It's the people who really wake up, aka attain enlightenment, who get to realize they are dreaming that get to control the dream... just in this case it's the life.

>>512721077
>Why does your tribe even matter? Low IQ people are animals and are controlled by instincts but smart people don't care about race
Shalom

>reproduction is immoral
>Why do it?
Go back a few decades and I'd scold you for thinking like that but in today's society?
Nah, not worth it. Your offspring will be slaves and your lineage will be seen as nothing more then a tool to benefit the rich.
We can't break it but we can do what they fear.. stop the children factory.
Let the rich babies have their bottle, they can dictate over themselves. I'm not bringing another child into this hell. Bad enough as it is and it sure as hell ain't looking any brighter with no signs of a leader or care from the public.
Some cattle will remain but they'll suffer worse then we do now and I'm okay with that. They'll hate their parents on a whole new level for bringing them here when it could easily be prevented.

>>512721426
"you are a fallible biological machine whose experience is concentrated in your brain"

This is the doctrine of materialism and I disagree with this. The people I referenced and the books refute exactly this argument thoroughly. Look up Essentia Foundation on youtube too it's a channel about consciousness that interviews a lot of neuroscientists.

>>512721569
Find what?

>>512704057 (OP)
Christians are actually supposed to get out of the antichrist government as possible, and form their own Christian government that is explicitly Christian and national, that is what western civilization was and still is fundamentally, it's a White Christian civilization, not a multi-national zionist occupied government that exalts the synagogue of satan (judaism).

>>512724007
>This is the doctrine of materialism and I disagree with this
It's not materialism, materialism has nothing to do with what I said. Please explain what is wrong with that statement.
I am aware of Kastrup and regard him as somewhat of a charlatan.

>>512704057 (OP)
Do you think we should put contraceptives in the water to stop people from reproducing?

>>512726143
By that of course I mean governments after appropriate voting procedures and passage of legislation, not rogue individuals.

Thou Shalt Not Be A Jew. ((((Thou)))) Shalt ((((Die)))).
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>>512717747

> the child never asked to be born
By that logic who asked for your stupid fucking opinion.

>>512704057 (OP)
Reasons for women to reproduce:
> To lock down a man into being a longterm provider
> To lock down a man into paying child support
> To show off their achievement on social media
> Peer pressure
> Because they can't keep their legs closed
> Because they don't want the child, but were not able to get an abortion

Reasons for men to reproduce:
> Because the sperm bank paid them
> To feel like they've left something behind
> Because they never wore a condom
> Because a woman convinced him to have a child, in order to receive child support
> Pressure from family
> Fear of being lonely, or being called an incel
> Can't resist (see pic rel)
> Because they don't want the child, but were not able to get an abortion

>>512704057 (OP)
It's true that children do no ask to be born. They demand it.

>>512724516
Why do you think he's a charlatan?

>>512724516
Your experience is not concentrated in the brain. The Holographic Universe by Michael Talbot demonstrates talks about this and so do several other people that talk about how you can't find a memory in the brain in a specific spot and you can destroy any parts of the brain even large parts and still get memories and other cognitive functions all back.

And you're not a "biological machine" you're a thought in the cosmic mind.

>>512726143
Should happen in India and Africa and Israel and all the other non-white places.

>>512708106
It's a personal moral act. Look at your first point and let's change it up to show something.
>1. Life is inevitable, just because you don't reproduce, won't stop others from reproducing.
Now let's change a few words:
>1.Thieving is inevitable, just because you don't steal, won't stop others from stealing.
Do you get what I'm saying? Just because other people are doing immoral things, doesn't mean you yourself should do immoral things too. Just because your not doing immoral things doesn't stop others, doesn't mean you yourself should do immoral things.

>the subhumans will still reproduce and take over the Earth
Why should you want your genetic lineage of good, loving, intelligent people here, surrounded by subhumans? Especially if you also believe that
>life does not end with death of the body
Which is one of the strongest positions from which one can approach antinatalism. If death isn't the end, then it really becomes something like, "life here has pain and suffering, life there does not, so don't bring more people here, leave them there or make them there." Let the trash too attached to this place continue to scramble to breed like rats. In the context of an afterlife, it's better to leave and let the cess have their cesspit.

Also
>If life is fundamentally a mistake
Life itself is not fundamentally a mistake. Continuing to force life into harmful and negative environments is a mistake.

>inb4 KYS
I plan to. The only reason an antinatalist that believes in the afterlife has not to kill themselves is to try and preach antinatalism and get others to understand why they should not bring more people into this sinking ship.