Thread 512774322

Medlar edition
Continuation of >>512765182

>tfw my San Marzano tomatoes probably have blight
it's only the San Marzano ones, the other tomatoes are fine. I had to prune a lot and throw a lot away. Any tips on how to prevent this in the future?

>>512774457
Tomatoes are fickle, friend. I'm sorry you're having a rough time.
Some years I get too many, some years I get almost none.

>>512774457
Tomatoes will get diseases no matter what, it's just about trying to manage it as best you can. Good pruning to ensure proper airflow is about the best you can do barring spraying

>>512774322 (OP)
i want to grow something comfy like mushrooms
is that hard to do?

>>512774322 (OP)
Those who don't have a place where to cultivate should learn about foraging. It would be more usefull and can even be done in an urban area in an emergency case.

>>512774322 (OP)
Wild blueberries and high-bush cross soon

>>512774750
Those are called half-high, look for the Patriot cultivar. I have one and it produces very large and sweet berries

>>512774722
It depends on the mushroom. Polypore are easier usually. You can start a chicken mushroom (Laetiporus sulphureus) farm in a forest easily if the mushrooms like the place and the type of wood you used.

>>512774457
Could try feeding them with silicon, strengthens cell walls making it harder for pathogens to break into the plant. Don't over-do it though, it makes the fruit firmer.

>>512774722
Depends on the kind.
You can make a killing growing oyster mushrooms.

>>512775145
What do you grow in Caucasian land?

>>512774722
I've grown magic mushrooms in those cheap bag kits you get (they work the same for normal shrooms too), was piss easy, but apparently there are much better ways, cheaper, larger yields, if you can be arsed to look it all up.

>>512775256
I'm in the UK, I'm just paranoid.

>>512775380
I mean, we know the government is out to get you, so totally fair.

>>512775256
He grows silicon

>>512774322 (OP)
I can't wait for apples and pears. September is going to be great.

Anyone here every hear of gooseberries? They are like European currants.

>>512775583
Same family as the currant, and yes. They're good. Great for jam. Strong recommendation. Go for the darker varieties if you can. They taste better, IMO.

>>512775466
lol

Post weird fruit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvbLz_Tw2pY

>>512775442
It makes me feel like a jew for hiding my real flag; I appreciate your understanding.

>>512776409
I would also understand it if you gave them all a guillotine ride, you know.

Anywhere, here's the caviar lime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GujWiKI6N5U

>>512775510
>I can't wait for apples and pears. September is going to be great.
May the birds not fuck with you during fruiting
>>512775672
Looking forward to growing them, I think it's cool they're ready mid-summer.

>>512776721
Yeah, just plant as many different kinds of fruit as you can and you'll always have something ripe.

Really recommend haskap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqOD-ZqLYHo

>>512776852
Fuck yeah I'll grow this.
After reading what it can survive I'm sold.

>>512777407
Easily one of the best things I've planted.

>>512776852
>Really recommend haskap

Leafs are putting up the points today. NEver heard of that one before.

>>512777616
Top-tier fruit. Cost me a bit more than the other stuff, but worth it.

>>512776333
I'm going to make wine out of lingonberries

>>512777616
Bruh you most likely have American persimmons and pawpaw, I'm jealous.

>>512777616
bro leaf here, and I also never heard of this lol

>>512774457
Post a picture of them. There are many things that can afflict them and they mostly look different.

>>512776699
>caviar lime.
Nice, looks lush. I might just about be able to get away with those in my climate.

>>512777865
Do it!
What are you going to sweeten it with? A honey base would work really well.

>>512777916
It's only starting to gain popularity here in Quebec.

>>512778000
I'll post a pic when i come back from the gym

>>512778250
Remember to remove any geolocation data.

>>512778330
As of a few years ago, 4chan strips Metadata anyway.

>>512778569
You still shouldn't give your metadata to 4chan. Who knows what they keep on the backend.

>>512778117
I was thinking about just using sugar, maybe the honey would be better? I have zero idea on how to make wine by the way but thats what I intend to do, have you ever done it? I'm kinda exited to see how shit or good it will be

>>512774322 (OP)
>/pol/ - Food & Cooking

completely off-topic thread, nothing to do with politics, but jannies are trannies and mods tongue my asshole

>>512778987
I'm not a brewer (yet).
It's fairly simple. Just make sure you keep everything absolutely clean at all times in the process.
I'm a huge fan of mead, personally.

>>512779094
We got over this every thread: The point of growing food yourself is to survive as the supply chain collapses. We've already seen how fragile it was in the early 2020's. It's not going to get better during WWIII.

>>512778970
No need to be paranoid, I doubt very much the Dutch Secret Service would hassle him over his alleged tomato blight?

>>512779480
4chan has been hacked before.

>>512774322 (OP)
I had to uproot my sapling gingko this year because the rain was so absurdly prominent that it caused flooding.
The poor thing is just starting to regrow.
I was really hoping to plant it as a flagship to my medicinal garden...

>>512779480
Never know. Look at what the Americans did to the currant and gooseberry.

>>512779562
That's sad to hear, Anon.
How does it taste fresh?

Anyone on a similar latitude to England grow chilli's before? I'd like to have a crack at some habeneros next year. Any tips would be appreciated.

>>512779104
Nice, I have been wanting to get into brewing beer and making wine too, it seems like a pretty chill activity and not too complicated, all meads have honey in it right?

>>512779706
They like lots of sun, so you might be better off doing them indoors with grow lamps.

>>512779752
Yeah, mead is honey wine, but you can have other stuff in there if you want.

Also, you should try spruce beer.

>>512779443
meanwhile this thread
>oh yummy yum! what a great recipe!
>should I use more sugar... or less? how about honey?
>I'm so excited for my gooseberries to heckin ripen!
>guys check out my epic haul!
>Look at this epic weird fruit!

the fact that it's a regular thread too make it even more pathetic, you're clearly passionate about cooking and you've got no one to share your passion with except for schizo racists and wannabe communists on an anonymous subreddit.

>>512779880
No, the idea is to get as many people as possible into growing their own food so that they can survive. You just can't stand that it's all very wholesome stuff that would be worth doing even if the world wasn't going to shit.

>>512779706
Not personally, but a mate's mum in London grows fuckloads of them every year under cover (unheated greenhouse, and those cheaper plastic kits you get on amazon). Pretty sure she mentioned Habaneros in the past, she's definitely grown Scotch Bonnets and Carolina Reapers.

Definitely do-able.

>>512779706
Grow them inside first for a couple weeks with some LED lamps, friend of mine grew all sorts of chilis outside and it could presumably be even harder here than in the UK, you could also just grow them inside all together just sitting on a windowsill, as far as I know habaneros are some of the easier to grow so its probably a decent place to start

https://www.chilipeppermadness.com/growing-chili-peppers/growing-chili-peppers-guide/

>>512779880
OP's cool though.

>>512774322 (OP)

This thread is a pleasant surprise.

Did my PDC back in 2011, a bunch of us ran a neat little operation for a while, working with schools, community gardens etc. if permaculture is getting a bump and new people are taking it up then it can only be a good thing.

>>512779591
Kek
But don't the Americans have guns to prevent tyrannical Governments?


>>512779706
Yes mate.
I've done it. I'm lucky in having large South facing windows.
Cayenne's and Habeneros are easy to grow but I did have problems with Scotch Bonnets and Ghost Chillies (only 2 or 3 fruits per plant)

Don't over water them and use Tomato feed occasionally. They do like sunlight.

>>512779854
You mean spruce as in the tree? What is that and how to aquire?

>>512780205
>But don't the Americans have guns to prevent tyrannical Governments?
Seems they got outnumbered on this issue.
It was farmers and gardeners vs the US's Strategic pine reserve.

>>512780126
OP's a blogposting nancy. 1/3 of the posts are all his.

>>512780086
yeah? cause it seems more like an off-topic circle jerk

There's AN ENTIRE BOARD dedicated to food and cooking. i guess that board is too slow for OP who's desperate for attention.

>>512780817
I do visit /ck/ but it's full of dimwit Amerimutts who think growing your own is for poorfags and then argue which store-bought brand is better.

>>512780817
/out/ doesn't seem to have much traffic. I think a thread like this every now and then on a fast board like /pol/ isn't so bad

>>512775583
>>512776333
I found one of these last year while helping my elderly neighbor weed her garden, haven't gotten fruit from it yet though (ribes cynosbati)

>>512777904
>persimmons
>never liked them

Texture off for my taste. Not sure I've had pawpaws.

>>512779094
>completely off-topic thread

Everything to do with /pol. It's anti-control, anti-supply chain disruption, self-empowering, and shaking off learned helplessness.

>>512781274
>then argue which store-bought brand is better
>now that's tedious

>>512780817
What's the matter, mad your janny application got turned down again?

>>512783085
>What's the matter

He's being forced to click & read this thread.

>>512782944
>Everything to do with /pol. It's anti-control, anti-supply chain disruption, self-empowering, and shaking off learned helplessness.

"persimmons have a yucky texture! I prefer pawpaws and peepoos!"

bunch of kitchen nancies pretending to be revolutionaries overthrowing the government and jeff bezos one strawberry tart a time

>>512774457
You have to separate the infiltrator tomatoes from
the native tomatoes that are making all the vegetables the sick.
Once separated you put the infiltrator tomatoes to good work in the compost bin so they can heal the garden and undo all the damage they caused.


For more Gardening Tips
read my book Mein Kampf against the infiltrator tomatoes.

>>512780382
Yes, like the tree.
It's an old favourite of settlers here in the North East. It's a molasses or maple base with the fresh buds from a few different kinds of spruce tree (some are better than others).
It's really fucking good.

>>512782331
Nice!

>>512782865
Paw paws are like if a mango, pineapple and banana had a baby together.

>>512774322 (OP)
my guavas are booming, i planted a cinnamon tree but i fucked up planting it in too direct of sun a light so i just got back from vacation and a leaf burnt.

>>512784077
>"persimmons have a yucky texture
>we agree

Also try not to be a faggot even though you struggle.

>>512785139
>Guava
I love how they taste (especially on toast with cream cheese), but god damn does the fruit smell awful. It's like cat piss.

>>512785001

At new property this year. Garden very basic + things already here (blueberries, black raspberries). Next year we'll branch out, maybe add some specials. Main thing though are more perennials that can grow without work. More berries, most likely also ground nuts & sunchokes.

>>512780382
>>512784921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgLC_DRd2cg

I grew up drinking the stuff all the time.

>>512785417
Ever heard of che fruit? It's also known as the mandarin melon berry. If you only plant the female, you get seedless fruit!

>>512785417
>>512785485
You may see the resemblance to its cousins, the osage orange or the mulberry.

>>512785417
>>512785485
>>512785608
This one looks a bit more similar, but it's not really a great food source. It does make an excellent barrier, though.

>>512783754
Is he, though?
Is he truly?

Don't give me the "It's his job" excuse. He could get a job that is actually productive.

Might I suggest picking fruit?

I'm gradually turning my whole yard into a plantation with these bad boys. Potatoes, carrots, tomatoes, zucchini, pumpkins, even some herbs and strawberries. Next year I might try some salads and kale once I get the next phase of expansion done.

>>512785608
>osage orange

My recollection is that produces great hardwood also.

>>512787626
Raised beds make weed control way easier. Keep it up, Anon!

>>512788000
Without them it would be hard to get anything growing since the local soil is so poor and rough. Also it's easier to satisfy the different soil & fertilizer requirements for different crops.

>>512787626
>these bad boys

Do you have termites in your soil? We do in New England. I took a propane weed torch to the bottom board edges in our beds. It helped but by 3rd season termites had set up shop. Doing it again would use aluminum roof flashing folded over edges.

>>512789379
No termites here, we're far too north for them.
There is an invasion of spanish slugs though, I'm currently in process of installing slug zappers to every single bed.

>>512789657
Does the beer trick work on those ones?

For me it’s growing weed and trading it at the farmers market once a week

>>512776333
cought this bitch growing in my backyard the other day

>>512790439
pretty fowers though

>>512789657
Just get some ducks

>>512774322 (OP)
What are some /pol/ approved plants? For me its Orchids

>>512790439
>>512790585
Wouldn't eat that. Looks like consuming it will bring visions of demons.

I gave up on my food garden this year as it was too much work with twin infants.
This year I grew many many lilies and potted citrus.

>>512774722
I had an extremally easy time growing oyster mushrooms in hay. cooked and moistened hay before adding mycelium I ordered online. Just needed to keep it very moist and it produced constantly

>>512779094
this. jannies need to ban twitter screenshots and no link posts as well.

clean it the FUCK UP

>>512790859
it does, right before it kills you. (it's jimson weed)

>>512791540
My dad knew a guy who went blind eating this shit lmao

>>512790201
The weed I grow outside always has the shittest bag appeal (not that I care). I couldn't imagine many people wanting to buy it, with today's over-saturated market. Still, does the job just as well though, but you know what some people are like.

>>512785705
i know that you can't tell me to buy, or you'll get banned right?
i can tell you to do anything, but not the other way around, right?

i can tell you to buy that game, but you can't tell me to buy it.

>>512791615
man what a dumbass, totally not worth even trying. i heard it's a really shitty trip, intensely uncomfortable with a lot of nausea and physical discomfort
there was a time when people got accused of witchcraft and burnt alive just for having it on their property

>>512784884
Upvoted

>>512790134
That might work, although the area is already so large I'd need quite a lot of those traps. I'll have to see if it's doable.

>>512787626
>I might try some salads and kale
These might benefit if you have around 17 hours of sunlight during summer, in fact they may be ready early.

My fantasy, is drone-dropping a shitload of Japanese Knotwood seeds in my neighbour's garden across the street. I'm too scared to actually do it though, in case I accidentally get some on my own property or any of the other neighbours who aren't cunts.

>>512794268
forgot pic

>>512793508
That sounds promising, I think at these latitudes we get something like 19 hours around midsummer.
I still might have to build cold frames for them to stop pests from eating them before I can.

>>512785608
>>512785705
Tons of them around the Kansas City area . Or well Osage and elderberry, possibly mulberry. Fun fact Osage orange tree has the hottest burning wood in the world. Also huge spikes grow off that tree.

>>512777865
Why? Why not use bluerries, crowberry or juolukka? Lingonberry wine sounds gross. If you infuse vodka with lingonberry it might be decent.

>>512774750
>cat grab meme
you are brown

>>512784884
Jesus christ, even growing vegetables is considered such an act of resistance now I have to start a folder for the memes.

>released praying mantis eggsacks to control small bitch ass insects that eat my plants
>one lives in my coleus now and I see him every day
>feelsgodman.jpeg
>pic rel

>>512795569
Thanks for reminding me

>>512785608
I never tasted a mulberry, are they any good?

>>512798265
No problem, now the charge is $3.50 + Tip

>>512798498
If you like raspberries/blackberries, you will like it

>>512798498
Somewhere between a mild grape and a mild blackberry. They can get REALLY sweet on certain trees if the year goes well but a lot of people make jams and other things to concentrate their specific flavor a little more.

>>512774322 (OP)
a deer/deers ate all the leavea off my sweet potatoes last night, the vines are still there but no leaves. are they gonna die?

>>512791074
My trees aren't doing too badly though.

>>512799787
They have no way to perform photosynthesis. The leaves are its solar panels. I'm sorry.

>>512800073
>tree
What species?

>>512774322 (OP)
I have two clusters of mature medlar trees, but I don't like eating them

>>512775359
They can be grown even from spores directly, inoculating some sterilized grain in jars but due to the draconian shit drug laws Jewban introduced i wouldn't even think about growing them now

>>512794537
> japanese knotweed
Is this shit good for anything anyway?

>>512775510
Pears are already ripening here.
My figs are doing well despite my cherries failing.
The council obliterated all the hedgerow fruit as always.

>>512780133
We need to reforest the moors.

>>512801220
Yeah it's not something I'd be sharing with anyone not super close to me. I'd try the better methods but haven't found the right headspace to use my last lot yet. Life's too been too hectic.

>>512801339
It's good if you want to take thousands off the value of your property. Incredibly difficult to get rid of. In bongistan it's illegal to sell property without disclosing its presence to the buyer, and can cost a small fortune and literally years to get rid of.

>>512801369
Fuck them. May their useless grass turn brown

>>512801017
Why not? Don't like the texture?

>>512803150
neither it's taste nor it's texture. I tasted it few times but never able to finish a single whole fruit

>>512803422
You're waiting until they are soft, right? You basically have to wait until it looks spoiled and then it's like eating applesauce.

>>512774322 (OP)
nice to see this thread again.
>>512777865
I eat these raw, I don't even make jam anymore I just eat them straight up raw.

People should look more into rowanberry. Nobody uses it but it's literally free and very easy to gather. FULL of vitamins and you can make jam, drink the juice, marmalade, you can dry them, you can also make mead out of them. Normalize rowanberry usage.

>>512803661
yes, I have always waited unil it's soft. My grandma planted those trees and she ate them. I am going to have a few kg presumably this year, but I might incorporate them into some jam or something

>>512800073
the jew fears the indoor tree farmer

>>512774322 (OP)
Medieval people called these "open arse"

>>512774457
We've tried San Marzano tomatoes for the past couple years. Very overrated strain of tomatoes. They grow well enough, but only fruit once for the season. The tomatoes are kind of small and it takes a lot of plants to produce a good crop.

Try planting heirloom strain Polish paste tomatoes. They produce fruit for the entire growing season and if your plants are healthy they will produce large and healthy tomatoes. They are very good for preservation (canning and sauce making) and also taste quite good right off the vine. IMO find yourself a strain of tomatoes that fruit for the entirety of their growing season and produce flavors / yields that you want.

Leave the San Marzano's to the Italians.

>>512803931
It's nice to see you again too, Anon.

Have you tried sea buckthorn?

>>512803987
The default answer is make jam or pies.

>>512800073
Citrus?

>>512804193
One nickname is "the dog's ass fruit". Not super appealing sounding, but it's actually good.

>>512804300
Speaking of tomatoes, what food mill do you guys use for getting the seeds?

>>512802514
Ok, no, nature depends on ecosystem and I’m not exactly a fan of being surrounded by urban deserts because it leads to poverty and dependency.

>>512804688
I'd hate to do this when I want to ask for your input since you guys have all sorts of weird fruits that we have never heard of in the west, but...

... Your ID says Ass

>>512803422
>not bletting quince

You aren’t supposed to eat them fresh. They’re an ingredient.

>>512804852
Clovers are objectively superior. They improve the quality of the soil, whereas grass clippings that people throw away are all nutrients that your yard doesn't get back.
FUCK grass.
The only grasses I like are things like wild rice, and that grows in the fucking water.

>>512804995
Quince is a different fruit. It's actually mostly unknown here, at least these days. Beautiful plant. It used to be grown a lot more in yards, but people tend to prefer fruit you just eat out of hand.

>>512803931
Another one in my orchard and I’ve made note of all the wild ones within my foraging range.
You got walnut trees?
>>512804668
Quince jelly sets itself too, used to make it in a cheese cloth on an upside down stools legs.

>>512804590
YES!
it grows wild on the coasts. I have picked wild berries. The juice is also sold in bottles and there's mead etc. sold in shops. It's very good, milder than rowanberry. Rowanberry is more accessible since it grows everywhere but it's not used, it's a branding/reputation thing.

>>512804765
Just the ones you eat work fine, you can throw a slice out a sandwich and it’ll grow.

>>512774646
it's mostly an issue in wet weather, tomatoes like dry conditions

>>512774457
What works for me every year in the same damn spot:
>FULL sun, south exposed
>manure before planting
>proper spacing between them, they must only barely touch at worst
>i don't prune them, or prune very lightly
>water in the early morning so the sun quickly dries them up

I noticed that watering them in the evening already caused blights and shit . Also rainy years might still be bad. It was generally moderately dry here for years now. You really don't want humidity anywhere near them

>>512805312
I don't have the room for it where I currently live (the trees get HUGE), but I might plant some when I get a larger plot somewhere (assuming it's the same zone). Not many fatty fruits that grow in the cold.

>>512805044
Yarrow. My front lawn is yarrow, my back lawn is native mixed meadow and I only cut it once a year to make hay for crimping. Stop memeing, I bet you don’t even eat your clover.

>>512804874
Here's my black jamun plant.

>>512805688
I plant clover for the soil and the bees.

>>512803931
It's fallen out of fashion as a berry I think.
My boomer parents used to make rowanberry-apple jelly every autumn but I haven't heard anyone using it for anything since then.
Shame, because that jelly was real superfood. Maybe I should ask for a recipe.

>>512805702
Never had it. Any good?

>>512805762
Do it! Who knows how much longer you'll get the chance?

>>512805173
Shit you’re right, I was brought up calling medlar by the wrong name.
It’s crazy that roses hawthorn and apples are all the same family.

>>512804722
I saw a video on these, quince, bullace fruit, the red things they used before they had access to citrus, and a few others. I've been doing bonsai, I have a pear, a cherry, and a fig tree I'm waiting to style once the dormant season hits. I wanna do medieval fruit next

>>512805987
Saskatoons and aronia are also related to them.

>>512806022
If you like doing pruning/training, you could try your hand at a fruit wall.

>>512794268
Remember the seed bomb threads from years ago?

>>512805246
It's too cold for walnut here. Oak survives but the acorns require processing so it's not being put to use either in any large quantities.
>>512805435
Yeah and they produce a LOT of berries. I think an actual northern permaculture plot basically requires it. It also helps that it ripens at the end of autumn. So the harvest season is lengthier if you have it.
>>512805762
Yeah it's a perfectly fine berry but people just dismiss it because it's so sour raw. (especially without freezing it first)

>>512806090
Yeah, I love defoliating leaves and pinching coniferous buds, and watching the new growth cone in. My maple was green and burnt when I got it, I pinched all the leaves and everything came back super red. It also produced new buds that are much more vibrant red. I was thinking about doing a lattice wall for lavender and jasmine, I'll probably do a fruit wall

>>512806251
Have you tried a nannyberry, yet?
It's a viburnum, but it's actually sweet. It tastes like a mix of banana and prune.

>>512805715
Which is why I said stop memeing. My garden is filled with flowers nearly all year for the apiary, Dragon flies hunt from grasses which prevents pests. Homogenised environments are bad.

>>512805850
Yes, black jamun are very tasty. They thrive in subtropical climate. Pic related is Musa balbisiana. I don't like them, animal feed.

>>512806440
>My garden is filled with flowers nearly all year
Same. I'm slowly removing every bit of grass on the property and replacing it with things that don't SUCK.

>>512806458
How about goumi berry?

>>512806211
No, I missed those. Please do tell though.

bump

>>512806251
Ah, suck. You could try hazel?

>>512800563
>>512804688
That's a kalamondin lime, I also have a miho wase satsuma, meyer lemon, xie shan mandarin, and a kishu mandarin tree.
There are also 3 kumquat trees, and two fig trees.

>>512806850
Very nice taste in citrus, friend.
I wonder what you would get if you mixed a kumquat with a pomelo.

>>512806440
Make tea from that. Latvians do. It tastes awful, but that's ok.

>>512806567
I don't think i have ever tasted them. I also grow black sugarcanes, better than the regular sugarcanes, much sweeter.

>>512806505
Winter savory is another one still flowing masses.
I recommend woodruff as a border or anywhere under trees that struggle to grow. Smells great, composts itself, outcompetes any weed, flowers.
Marjoram and oregano also make good lawns, along with chamomile. But yarrow is a salad, a vegetable, and it makes so many seeds you can spread it anywhere. Plus it’s free along road sides.
Oh and colts foot.

>>512807055
That's cool. I occasionally see sugarcane in stores, but it's only the green ones. Have you ever tried making an alcohol from it?

>>512807028
But I already have nettles for tea, and string making :p

>>512807390
Do you have any wintergreen? It's such a pretty plant

>>512806850
Fuck I would love to have the space for a collection like that.

>>512806947
I think that's already been done before.
>>512807572
Space is definitely an issue, lots of my basement is just trees and grow lights.

>>512807055
how do you process the sugarcane do make it eatable/drinkable?

>>512807531
I wish, needs a more northern environment. Have a bilberry bush though.