Thread 512850964

Why did Japanese anime eclipse the West's animation industry? Why did we degenerate into Simpsons and Family Guy while Japan produced kino like Ghost in the Shell and Death Note?

>>512850964 (OP)
Cartoons are gay.

>>512850964 (OP)
Californians are remarkably myopic and we have entire systems in place to make sure the talented are kept out of our California industries. Just look at AAA games.
It’s at least partially because we are trained to hate the past. The past was when whites stole this land, the past was racist, the past had a patriarchy. So we get a lot of propaganda about “nothing good happened before, so the art isn’t worth looking at either”
But then a lot of the rest is that California is somehow just a magnet for the worst pieces of shit.
I try to avoid buying California products and I live here lol.

>>512850964 (OP)
the yakuza used mangas and animes to wash their money
thats the reason why anime peaked in the 90s

>>512850964 (OP)
I am impressed with the sheer volume of content those nippons make

>>512850964 (OP)

> gets nuked twice
> copes with drawing his enemies and never having sex again

Because Japan is an American colony and generally colonizers adopt the colonised culture in small doses.

>>512854750
Anime surpassed American (and British) animation though

>>512855337
Yes but they haven't adopted Japanese manners or customs, or shinto etc. Like i said, small doses.

>>512852422
False equivalency fallacy, gotta love it

They were drawing before WW2. Birth rates only declined after women got equal rights and could abort chest and divorce

>>512850964 (OP)
The best description I’ve heard of what’s killing the western media system is that the new generation of writers are basically fanfic writers and that’s indicative of the overall quality of all the media industries

>>512855400
Except one is ethnic and the other is technology so it's a poor comparison. I don't feel any sense of superiority over Japan adopting animation and graphics novels, I feel a sense of inferiority to them as they have pushed the medium whilst we stagnate

>>512855400
I don't feel any sense of superiority over Japan adopting the technology for animation and graphic novels from the West*

>>512853890
/thread

>>512857415
How is that a /thread?

>>512850964 (OP)
America never thought it was important. It's still by far considered for kids. To be fair, America doesn't really need it as it already has military, economic and soft power might. Japan has none of those, at least to the same level, so it has to make do with soft-power.

I think the main answer is that Japan has had the cultural foundation for it hundreds of years with the country already having the preference for stylized art work instead of realism like a lot of other countries had.

>>512850964 (OP)
Japanese entertainment media shits on Western entertainment media because the latter recently relied on remakes, reboots, practically barely making any risky original entertainment these past years. For example, comics. Manga is by far the top dog in the comics industry because American comics are still stuck with capeshit comics with even added retardedness and inconsistent lore, thanks to the stranglehold of DC and Marvel.

>>512859471
Are you actually Japanese? Your grammar makes you seem like an English teacher. The West had stylised art for decades, it was never simply about realism but produced impressionist music and art, art nouveau, art deco, Roccoco, dragestil and was steeped in symbolic artwork for 1000s of years as well - most of those paintings came out of the Italian Renaissance. And most Japanese themes were taken from Western cartoons (e.g. Betty Boop and Felix the Cat) many of which were not appropriate for little kids. It just seems like the West culturally stagnated in this form of cultural production.

>>512860191
>Are you actually Japanese?
I'm a hafu but fully asian with Japanese and Filipino.

>The West had stylised art for decades
>but produced impressionist music and art, art nouveau, art deco, Roccoco, dragestil and was steeped in symbolic artwork for 1000s of years as well
Japan has had it for centuries. It doesn't matter if the west has had it at one point if they never continued it and built upon it. Japan did.

>And most Japanese themes were taken from Western cartoons
Again, Anime has had it roots far longer than before Walt Disney. A lot of the exaggerated movements, costumes you see was influenced by Kabuki. Which was 16-17th century. A good 2 200 years before Walt Disney was even born. The modern version you see was born during Disney's times with the animation arts in general booming, but the foundation was already there long before him.

>It just seems like the West culturally stagnated in this form of cultural production.
By west you mean America, then yes. Unless the attitude towards animation changes, then it will continue to decline culturally. Daily reminder that Kimetsu no Yaiba, a kids show and PG13 rating got an 18+ rating in the US which is amusing.

>>512850964 (OP)
Anime is often very creepy, I dont know how the japs do it but it creeps me out on some strange level that does not happen with any other media, I wonder what thats about, some anime is almost physically nauseating, that being said japanese have very good storytelling tho which is completely lacking from western animation and all media nowdays

>>512855653
That would be correct, people will tell you that animation is just for kids but nowadays not even kids are watching cartoons anymore and things are so bad that a YouTube series made by a literal tranny is the best cartoon at the moment due to the rest being straight up badly written trash.
In fact the last time a cartoon was globally relevant was in the early 10's with shows such as Gravity Falls, Regular Show or Adventure Time and even those declined very hard once shitty californians writers emasculated the MCs to the point they became infamous.

>>512855653
>>512863357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c

This video goes into detail very nicely.
TLDR: The uncool awkward faggot kids during school grew up and got jobs as writers and are projecting all their insecurities. The guy who made the Lord of The Rings was a World war veteran. Miyazaki Hayao grew up in a time where the nukes just recently dropped on Japan. I think interesting people can make interesting stories. Compared to that, these millennial homos most stressful event recently in their life was not getting greeted by the waitress.

>>512850964 (OP)
america has an art style
we must BOYCOTT jewish every establishment and let it flourish once more

Anon, this interpretation is heavily flawed because the crushing majority of animes are made using very standized art style (mostly to copypaste on Ghibli, aka Japan Walt Disney equivalent, own style which may feel too complex and detailed to easily streamline), and western ones are basically animated by the same subcontractors who uses the same program.

The artstyle issue is partly because of the relatively recent streamlining of animation production using cheap programs to cut corners, where a very simple artstyle is preffered to maximize production. This is mostly just an issue in America, due to how the comic industry formed up, compared to europe where there wasnt any real standard so odd visual styles were encouraged and desired.

Tldr; japan didnt eclipse the west animation skills, they're basically the same program and peoples working on it, but american animation is so streamlined it produce soulless slop that all look the same, which is also happening to anime. The only exceptions are euro who shit out amazingly styled movies and series because they often want to see creative artistry rather than an insured return of investment, but they tend to be financial flops due to smaller consumer market.

Its of course because of kikes, 99% of big capes writer and artists are nepo baby kikes without an ounce of talent who were seething at the euro artists unique stylization, so they gatekept the industry for decades, like you straight up wouldnt get published if you wetent part of the clique aka Marvel and DC. Only relatively recently we started seeing new publishers appear like Darkhorse Comics who counter the capes monopoly.

>>512863357
Gravity Falls author whining about the utterly nonsensical censors at Disney was an eye opening experience, the shit they'd bitch about was so silly and illogical at times, you could feel the influence of talmudic pilpul by the commitee who handled the censoring.

>>512851261
Pretty much this. You summed it up perfectly. These people have been propagandized into completely destroying entire disciplines worth of accumulated knowledge and skill. What you forgot to mention is how these people will never build anything up to replace it because the ability to strive for excellence is antithetical to their mindset. It's impossible for them to improve because critique is against the rules, as it stems from criticism and criticism of any kind against any protected class is an ism or a phobia. When you combine that with the fact that all of them have some kind of marginalized status, it's basically permanent skill rot built into the system itself.

An entire culture made up of Deviantartlets.

>>512850964 (OP)
Pursuit of art vs pursuit of money
Anime took the best elements of american animation, mostly disney at the time, and refined it, added to it, did their own thing with it, experimented, and while they certainly did produce some cheap crap too, they also pushed the limits on every boundary, including content/subject matter, target audience, etc.
The west, meanwhile, optimized as much expense as possible out of animation, hence we get the pre-drawn puppetry/flash animation style that carries itself on writing rather than visuals. This is magnified by the perception that "cartoons are for kids" and thus it's pointless to do more than the bare minimum because kids in the west are perceived as retards who wouldn't know the difference between the two.

bubble economy created the modern industry, there's no equivalent in the west

>>512850964 (OP)
>Why did we degenerate into
juden
do you have a serious question now?

>>512850964 (OP)
Today I shall remind them

>>512850964 (OP)
Animator here. Same reason all industries are collapsing in the west over financialization of the industry, out-sourcing and there is an extreme lack of entry level roles into the industry. Americans invented animation and the fact the industry is nearly dead here should be viewed as a national failure.

This also applies to the comic industry and vfx studios too, we need to name the outsourcing Jew if those jobs are too ever return to westerners.

You think we had any stories to base the animations on? Japan hasthousands of mangas and novels to illustrate/animate. When is the last time you were aware of western novels/comics? Most stuff here are turned into movies rather than animated.

>>512864840
Hope they keep getting more backslash, I'm sick of their shit writing

>>512853890
Why wouldn't full-blooded Jews be racially pure?