Thread 512877801

What if we just made being a politician a part time job that earns minimum wage?

would it make things better or worse?

personally, i think all law codes should be abolished and if anyone who tells me to do stuff, ill run them through with a sword.

but if we made politics more of a hobby, i believe it would disuade jew coded policians and interest regular people if being a legislator was more attainable

and anyone who is indited for corruption, is beheaded

>>512878064
Based

>>512877801 (OP)
It will get swarmed by wealthy people trying to lobby laws for themselves.

>>512878539
closley monitor their income and spending. set up a government body that acts as an ombusman that arrests and kills anyone financially supporting a politician

politics should be intertwined with aseticism

>>512877801 (OP)
>>512878064
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What’re you.. 14 years old?

>>512879222
explain why its a bad idea. then look in the mirror and dispair at your non-whute visage

>>512879307
You need it explained to you?

>>512879390
yes. and youre not the nigger whos gonna do it so leave the thread with you tail between your legs

>>512879492
Demand and supply also applies to human career roles, obviously.
Do you intend for the supply of politicians to include all persons present in your nation? Because that’s what you’d get with low pay.
You’d allow for a far worse populace of politicians to be in power.

Additionally, if you get paid dick all to be a politician, you’ve now excluded the young and intelligent people who are poor from positions of political power.

Through your proposed system, politicians would be no different from any other government career pool. Filled with low IQ browns and populist leftists.

>>512880111
>Do you intend for the supply of politicians to include all persons present in your nation
yes
>You’d allow for a far worse populace of politicians to be in power.
that doesnt follow after your initial statement. youre asking a non sequtor. how can you argue that more people and different ideologies getting into positionals of power is a bad thing? what makes our current crop so desireable to you? are you a masochist cuckold?
>Additionally, if you get paid dick all to be a politician, you’ve now excluded the young and intelligent people who are poor from positions of political power.

if politics was part time? they'll be employed elsewhere, you moron. or they'll be faggy day traders. or they'll be neets. you didnt even read my post you dumb nigger
>Through your proposed system, politicians would be no different from any other government career pool. Filled with low IQ browns and populist leftists.
how are you going to equate the civil service to elected officals?

youre a retard and you're living your life right now in denial of that fact. i bet your dad tells his buddies youre the smartest kid he know. your father is a mongoloid too

actually try refute me this time, nigger

>>512880826
>that doesnt follow after your initial statement.
It does. I implore you to think a bit harder about selective processes.
You’ve taken the selection process from being a high pass throttle to a low pass throttle.
>if politics was part time? they'll be employed elsewhere, you moron. or they'll be faggy day traders. or they'll be neets. you didnt even read my post you dumb nigger
You've now described back to me what I just told you in:
>>You’d allow for a far worse populace of politicians to be in power.

>what makes our current crop so desireable to you?
The history and tradition is very important.
You’re encouraging an FDR style social populism, essentially.
Which is precisely where the current coalition of Union workers, poor inner city peoples, financiers and socialite elites originally came from in American politics, a disease we’re still yet to be rid of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_coalition

>“I’ll have them Micks voting left for the next two hundred years” -LBJ, sort of

>>512877801 (OP)
No, they would use their political power to get millions of dollars, just as the do now.

>>512877801 (OP)
Their wages are a bribe to ask them to please not manipulate the stock market too much. The amount of money they make would barely change

>>512877801 (OP)
Worse. Politicians get paid because only rich and/or heavily-bribed politicians used to be able to afford to go into politics.

>>512879100
I think the lesson for the last 200 years of democracy is that systems don't work. You're dealing with power, you just have to face up and deal with it.

>>512882368
>t. outside-of-the-system-er

>>512879222
>Nooo not violence!
You're a faggot, your cowardice is the reason for the way things are today.

>>512882680
The punishment for Treason is already death, m8.
You can be both a radical and an intelligent operator. You don’t need to behave like a 70iq Somali who desires nothing but bloodshed and dissolution of state.

>>512882026
>It does. I implore you to think a bit harder about selective processes.
>You’ve taken the selection process from being a high pass throttle to a low pass throttle
being a politician in my country is becoming a tea boy for a political party, in yours you have to bend the knee to israel. its a generalisation but it tracks. with short turn limits, high scrutiny from the populace, which is now more politically involved, and the literal execution of courrupt politicians ever few months. its should be a role, like in the roman senate, but without the gay nobility. youre thinking ideologically, im thinking practically.
>You've now described back to me what I just told you in
you never explained why its detrimental. i dont think you can. having statecraft as a part time job would remove politics as a profession and turn it into a role like a priest or a football coach. sociopaths will sneak in. less than your system. and with a policy of death for corruption, only the most high time preferance of thieves will get in, and be quickly caught. i suppose it comes to the issue of the ombusman being corrupted but just apply the same rules. a class of politcians and anti politicians, drawn from the same pool
>The history and tradition is very important.
You’re encouraging an FDR style social populism, essentially.
Which is precisely where the current coalition of Union workers, poor inner city peoples, financiers and socialite elites originally came from in American politics, a disease we’re still yet to be rid of
i dont know enough about fdr to argue either way. ill look into it

>>512877801 (OP)
Most politicians treat it like that, believe it or not. I mean, the majority of them, like city council and shit
When I was an intern at UBS branches in my city, lots of politicians were working there as their full time job for example

>>512877801 (OP)

this is what most red states do. pay is laughable, and the legislature only meets for 90 days to pass the state budget every 2 years.

NO.
we need absolute autocracy like what the Danes had.

>>512882026
oh you cunt why did you format it so the greentext fucks up

>>512882452
>Everything in the world currently is within the system so there's no possible way anything could ever exist outside of it
The systems only purpose is to defend faggots like you from your never ending fears.

>>512883042
It only creates conflicts of interest, politician who's finances ain't free, just ain't free

>>512883062
really? Okay if thats true then its a real life example of why its retarded. gimme a case study

>>512883062

NH is probably the best, since the legislative branch has 400 members in their "house" so basically every town has 1 rep. somewhat diluting the power of the afrikkkanized i93 corridor

>>512882923
I don't want to be a faggot intellectual, I want literal violence, I want to kill faggots like you in the street.

>>512877801 (OP)
much worse, itll incentivize corruption more than the current elected official salaries. the opposite route - a million or two a year in salary plus term limits and a strict restriction on any sort of future work in ngos/nonprofits/lobby groups/PACs etc would be better.

also, security clearances revoked the minute youre out - thats how these slimy fucks capitalize

>>512883259
>NH

new hampshire?

>>512883174
They had to follow restrictions and regulations iirc

>>512883039
>you never explained why its detrimental [for politicians to be part-time].
Because certain careers require full-time participation AND self-study off the clock.

To create an environment where you have effective and honest politicians, you need harsher selection processes, not weaker selection processes.
I agree that my take on things has its own flaws, such as selecting for dynasty individuals, or selecting for only the already rich and politically powerful. But these flaws are much more tolerable than opening the door to The Zerg(leftist populism).

Ultimately, I agree with the execution prospect right now, and it’d be fun to see it implemented in one of our countries currently.
I, however, do not agree with increasing the catch-net for prospecting politicians.
Thanks for the back and forth Anon. You’re reminding me of the old days of /pol/. ^_^

>>512883169
>>512883427
Yet, the system protects me from you. HAH!
Thanks system!

>>512877801 (OP)
Politicians should be only that and not involved in any other business, they should got everything they need ,and everyone should be free to see their bank account and things that owns, houses and cars of him and his family.
And in case of corruption with clearly proofs, death sentence for the politicians and their family gonna lose everything and change or add in their surname treason or something like that and even if is a girl it will pass with the husband surname

>>512883145
kek sorry
See >>512883442 for a system that I’d prefer.

>>512883825
i just think it becomes exclusive. then seperate. politicians and police/military are nations within a nation. i think casting a wider net would break it up as a mafia structure. but im starting to get your point

if its the case that politicians are to be superior, i cant accept that our leaders are "superior". nominally, yes. but i see them as scum. an insular class of scum. if more people had the oppertunities to both succeed and fail, we'd advance our society faster. turbo statecraft is what i'll call it

ill refine my ideas more and ill think about what you told me

>>512878539
Like it is now?

>>512877801 (OP)
What needs to happen is that politicians need to become more influential not less and be paid more, all the possible incentives to get bribed by lobbyists should be removed, at the same time politicians should be banned from engaging in the stock market at all even via proxies, if caught=life in prison

Basically it has to be made incredibly difficult to shirk responsibility and people should be rewarded for good service and punished for bad, these could be monetary or symbolic rewards and punishments could go from shaming to death, what the romans did after a consuls term was over was they put the guy on trial automatically, to review if the guy lied and fulfilled his promises or not

>>512877801 (OP)
What if we just dropped all "government" employees into an industrial metal shredder?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu8AMuRFTY4

>>512877801 (OP)
meh. they'd still be gay pedophiles.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpU51S26hrA

>>512880111
Voters are merely uneducated politicians

>>512884461
>if its the case that politicians are to be superior, i cant accept that our leaders are "superior".
It’s not the case that politicians OUGHT to be superior or gifted individuals, rather it is the case that those roles WILL be filled with superior individuals, through processes like “statistical churn” and self-selection alone.

I think adding routine executions into the mix would actually be beneficial, as you mentioned. Because it would turn the usurpers away from the public domain of government and toward the private domain of business.
People like Nancy Pelosi belong in the private industry, not the public industry.

>>512883937
Precisely the problem.

>>512885629
>infighting

>>512885251
what would be the oposite efect be to my proposed system? tighten the bottleneck? have the barrier to entry so high that only those from (distingushed families, industry leaders in tech and finance, university professors) the elite. we develop aristocracy and that system is what led to this inbetween system we have now. i really dont see how making the selection process more exclusive will promote more erudite people to positions of power. nepotism will always win out over tallent

>>512885784
>Parasite cleanse described as infighting
Disgusting rat trying to stay it's execution.

>>512877801 (OP)
>minimum wage
Just make it volunteer. Zero pay, everyone needs to maintain a regular career.

>>512877801 (OP)
>What if we just made being a politician a part time job that earns minimum wage?
then there would be no career politicians
and oligarchs (very rich business owners) would rule over you, you stupid potato nigger

>>512885913
>i really dont see how making the selection process more exclusive will promote more erudite people to positions of power.
There are two ways to positively impact the hiring pool:
>Raise compensation, thus increasing competition for the role. Competition is the driver of evolution.
or
>Ban public officials from future endeavors in the private industry, thus raising the bar for commitment to the role itself.
Through either of these methods, we would see an enormous decline in the amount of corrupt politicians. Two methods of harshening the selection process.

>>512886387
commie

>>512886731
>>Raise compensation, thus increasing competition for the role. Competition is the driver of evolution.
then its still a career. and it would promote inefdectual, matianance politicans trying to keep their position rather than lierally trying to keep their head attached
>Ban public officials from future endeavors in the private industry, thus raising the bar for commitment to the role itself.

this should be the case in any system but perhaps it would make them want to remain in power just as much as the pervious point. money cant be the incetive for politics(I know i live i a fantasy land on that point) it should be power. the jews didnt smoke us becuase the are weathly, they amoked us because the had power. money is the means currently

i gotta turn spell check on again. shirking it hasnt improved my literacy one bit

thanks burgeranon. i have a lot more thinkin to do

>>512885088
>voaters...

>>512887168
>>512887386
You make valid points and you have a good head on your shoulders, Anon.
Have a good week <3

>>512886900
>projecting faggot
Disgusting commie nigger.

>>512877801 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRR