Thread 512913636

Software Engineers, Web Developers, etc. of /pol/: what are your thoughts on the BetaNet project? I just saw the pitch from K0 and found it interesting and want to get more eyes on the matter. Let’s discuss

https://infosecwriteups.com/betanet-the-censorship-free-internet-that-could-change-the-web-forever-530c7294d9af

I'm not a fucking beta. I'm top G, niggas.

>>512913882
Is that a plagiarized version of kurisu makise?

>>512913636 (OP)
No source code no trust. Fuck off with your glowniggers shit.

>>512913636 (OP)
https://github.com/ravendevteam/betanet
Network Engineer/Solutions Architect, on initial review, really fucking solid. I need to dig more into all the info there but it's very interesting.

Face it, we are not getting rid of censorship. Otherwise people would say things like, "there are way too many shitskin parasites when I visited Germany last time, whites are going extinct."

>>512913636 (OP)
If the government can't censor it they will flat out ban it/

You know what they say.
>If it seems too good to be true

>>512913636 (OP)
There’s no stopping the trend towards decentralization.

>>512914873
or they'll just co opt it like bitcoin
or put their own backdoor in it like tor
its way more useful to keep something like that running and surveilling it than getting rid of it

>>512915366
I only see the opposite trend but you do you.

>>512913636 (OP)
>https://ravendevteam.org/betanet/
I have over 20 years in tech and can barely understand this shit. What the fuck am I reading? Is my life a lie? Was it all a dream?

>>512913882

Not,you're a fat nonce. So fat that you're knocking on Dr. Beetus's door

>>512913636 (OP)
>doing all this just so you can download and share videos of children being raped
Interesting

>>512914636
They seem to have counter measures for both post-quantum and traffic correlation which is interesting.
Maybe it went over my head since I'm EE and not a networking engineer but I didn't see any mention of a decentralized datastore?

>>512913636 (OP)
so how is this different from GNUnet or I2P or Yggdrasil or all the solutions for this that already exist

>>512913636 (OP)
When people talk about "the internet" they are specifically talking about one of the six websites/apps everyone uses. This isn't necessary because you already have alternative pages out there. The problem is getting people to migrate to them. Just as an example, I'll use YouTube.

People will bitch, moan and cry about YouTube testing age requirements by looking through your video search history to determine your age. But nobody will leave. Not because alternatives don't exist or they aren't good, they just aren't YouTube. People are used to YouTube and have built up playlists, likes, subscriptions, libraries and other things over many years there. Asking them to leave means they have to start from nothing again. Compared to the years they've invested in the YouTube, this is unacceptable. Maybe for a few days they try, but then they eventually just go back to YouTube because that's where all their stuff is. Plus YouTube is where you go if you want to be seen or noticed. So if you do things for attention and views, you're never going to leave YouTube (at least as a "content creator"). As a viewer, you use YouTube as a tool or for entertainment. So you try a new alternative, you can't find the video you want, you try YouTube, and there it is. Since "content creators" aren't going to risk leaving YouTube and viewers don't believe they'll find what they're looking for anywhere else, nobody is going anywhere and everyone knows it.

The same with this. "Betanet" isn't going to do anything. It will appeal to the 1% or less of people who care and even then, those people will end up coming back to bitch and moan again. Basically, "the internet" isn't the issue. It's that people like just FEELING like they're doing something. Bitching into the abyss or getting their batch of followers to gas then up (and making up throwaway ideas they know won't work, but looks "noble" to others they'll never meet online) does exactly this. And that's as far as it will ever go.

>>512916590
One of them will win when the censorship system crashed down on the internet. We should be glad there are many players in the space.

>>512916590
This one has something to do with MAD according to the creator. Idk how/if that’s supposed to work, but that’s what he claims

>>512916140
>AEAD Nonce: nonce = NS XOR (LE64(counter) ‖ LE32(0)); counter starts at 0 and increments per frame.

>>512913636 (OP)
We're not going to survive as a species with another generation of children raised on the internet and social media. OP is a Massive faggot and a groomer

>>512917407
Nice hyperbole tradcuck.

>>512913636 (OP)
I'm fairly certain that nothing will change any part of the world until a class of people that can thrive regardless of background in a state of universal basic income as the fundamental groundwork that isn't a component is business, whether local or enterprise takes place.

>am web developer
>topics like this romanticize the implied benefit of a function that isn't already commodified
>basically describing a stateless citizen that speaks English.

>>512913636 (OP)
It'll be just another service that's mostly being used by pedophiles until the devs are so disgusted that they secretly work with law enforcement to backdoor it.

>>512916814
This anon touches a vital point: there are no technical solutions to political problems.

>>512917765
Law enforcement is the pedophiles, so that would be a mistake.

>>512913636 (OP)
Routing around censorship is a solved problem, it's been done since usenet and IRC
hard part is preventing corporate-owned walled gardens from soaking up all the users

>>512913636 (OP)
Bump

>>512913636 (OP)
The only way that it makes sense to have a second internet is if you have a way to deliver it. Starlink could do it for example, McAfee proposed selling routers that would have a backdoor connect to other close routers and start building it that way etc

>>512913636 (OP)
There’s no real way to do this without massive infrastructure. Yeah sure you can have nodes connected wirelessly but you’d need one in every home basically and even out in the middle of nowhere or you’d need to string a line to connect towns together.

All these problems are political problems; anons have to decide what they're willing to risk, who they're willing to trust, and how they want to punish their enemies.

>>512913636 (OP)
is this a silicon valley bit?

>>512915825
>https://ravendevteam.org/betanet/
What don't you understand?

>>512914769
Just breed pale skin

>>512914636
Sure you did loony troon, surely you did.

>>512918915
>Source files have nothing but a donation link
>readme is just a bunch of garbospeak
You are not fooling anyone troon, i2p already exists, there is no need for this grift.

>>512917407
Go tell that to your boomer parents who (didn’t) raise you

>>512918986
>never read an RFC in his life

>>512918162
> there are no technical solutions to political problems.
I disagree. All of these things (Technology, Politics, Economics, Sociology, etc.) are all interconnected. Influencing / changing one has an indirect influence on one or more of the others. You could probably model it mathematically

>>512918804
I lold

>>512913882
Top Gnet. I like it.

>>512916814
This was the obvious path of the internet when web 2.0 took over. Betanet is just the zoomer not understanding what web 3.0 is. But all the government has to do is pass a law forcing domain registrars, or specifically companies such as verisign, to qualify website content as following US laws to have a .com domain.
Dark and deep web already exist too which seems to be exactly what betanet is.

>>512919138
>Digging yourself deeper
Nice projecting, to anyone half competent this is clearly just AI garbospeak cobbled together non sensically. Very curious why you are so emotionally invested in this considering there is absolutely nothing in here.

>>512913636 (OP)
I think instead of fleeing censorship, the correct answer is to kill the censors. A man cannot tell you what you are allowed to think, or see, or buy, if he is dead.
I am praying daily for the public killings of VISA/Mastercard/Paypal executives.

>>512919322
>checked
>literally doesn't know what an RFC is
Fucking embarrassing

>>512913636 (OP)
REMEMBER INTERNET 2!!!

>>512919149
Despite the fetish of the last 500 or more years, the body is not a machine. All the effort expended to treat it as such ignore the soul driving it. The will--and the mind--outrank the body. So when you have "world ending problems" the solution is in the mind, and in cooperation between thinking beings. No technology can replace that.

>>512914636
The original machine had a base-plate of pre-fabulated amulite,
surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the
two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan.
The latter consisted simply of six hydrocoptic marzelvances, so
fitted to the ambifacient lunar waneshaft that side fumbling was
effectively prevented. The main winding was of the normal lotus-o-delta
type placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every
seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to
the differential girdlespring on the "up" end of the grammeters.
Electrical engineers will appreciate the difficulty of nubing
together a regurgitative purwell and a supramitive wennel-sprocket.
Indeed, this proved to be a stumbling block to further development
until, in 1942, it was found that the use of anhydrous nangling pins
enabled a kryptonastic bolling shim to be tankered.

>>512913636 (OP)
What if the second internet already exists and it's on a part of the electromagnetic spectrum reserved for wealthy elites, encrypted and protected from public view?
Imagine how many Epstein Islands our pedokike masters could, would, and probably are enabling through such a network.
They probably put it on a frequency reserved for the military.

>>512916814
i thought that people were really referring to ISP's when they talk about "the internet"

>>512919638
I agree with you on the microcosmic (individual) basis. There is still value in modeling group dynamics (the macrocosm) imo

>>512919928
Sure, and that's politics. A model of how thinking beings behave in groups. What motivates them to act in concert, and what causes them to act separately.

>>512919814
Whatever it is, Hillary never got access lol

>>512913882
Doctor Thunder is the white mans soda pop.

Because of the lighting strike logo

>>512920096
She probably did, but I think she's had her hall pass taken away by now. Such a fall from grace.
When the elites fall from power they're eaten by their successors if they show weakness.
I imagine she's fighting for her life constantly against similar predators these days.

>>512920017
That would be more Social Psychology. What we need is a unified theory that encompasses all the different aspects. I haven’t really looked into such a thing tho

>>512919797
god, I rememember my history of confabulation course in uni, what an awful slog.

>>512919814
>>512908685

>>512913882
Steins;Gate is Jewish propaganda and Kurisu has no personality other than "me smart"

>>512913636 (OP)
Until they buy it and censor it it’ll be fab.
Everyone will go. They’ll push this old version their zognet like they pushed Blueskys where everyone calls everyone else racist all day by calling everyone else racist. We will be psychosis free. But then once the long noses see that the cattle are escaping the pen they’ll send the shithounds after us, Poojeet & terminator bots and the unfettered lunatics they call “the transed”.

>>512920454
It's just a John Titor story but anime.

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>>512913636 (OP) (OP) #
Until they buy it and censor it it’ll be fab.
Everyone will go. They’ll push this old version their zognet like they pushed Blueskys where everyone calls everyone else racist all day by calling us all racist. We will be psychosis free. But then once the long noses see that the cattle are escaping the pen they’ll send the shithounds after us, Poojeet & terminator bots and the unfettered lunatics they call “the transed”.

>>512920281
It's not as different as you think. You should look into shamanism and it operates by almost the same principle I described for human beings relating on this earth. Astral entities also have friends and enemies, languages, habits, territories, alliances, betrayals.

>what are your thoughts on the BetaNet project?
When I first read the spec for it, it felt woefully incomplete. Mostly a set of features without a high level description of how it integrates with existing technology. A few days later, I checked the GitHub repository for organizing it all and saw a pull request that replaced the readme with a much more clear cut description of how BetaNet works. It is very similar to IPFS and other peer-to-peer distribution networks, but with some additional features bolted on like post-quantum encryption standards.

I would note that it is already possible to host static websites on IPFS. HTML, JavaScript, CSS... if that's all you need, then either IPFS or the proposed BetaNet would suffice at distributing web content. The problem is that neither system supports websites that need a backend. You cannot distribute a web application backend to anyone who wants it. Which means you can't use it to host, for instance, a web forum. Anything with a continually updating database. Anything that uses user credentials. It feels like an incremental improvement onto peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than a general purpose solution to censorship.

But that's just my two cents. Perhaps the project may evolve further into something more given enough discussion on it.

>>512917407
Or you know just don't let your kids use the internet or use parental controls you fucking dimwit

>>512921015
Anything but parents being parents or taking women's rights away. The white countries would sooner nuke Israel before they let either of those will happen.

>>512918660
Most of the implementation specification sections

>>512913636 (OP)
so instead of www world wide web, it will be ggg goy glownigger galore ?

>>512923750
Just because you can install Windoze 10 doesn't mean you're 'in tech'.
If you were really tech educated you'd have written your own compiler.