Thread 512929158

>"GUYS. I KNOW."
>"WHAT IF."
>"HEAR ME OUT."
>"WHAT WE"
>"WAIT FOR THIS"
>"WHAT IF WE USE THOUSANDS OF MEN, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT, AND OUR BEST ARMOR TO TAKE KURSK, WHILE FIGHTING A DEFENSIVE WAR."

>>512929158 (OP)
Road's basically wide open to Berlin now.

i like Russians. they are the swedes of the steppe

>>512929158 (OP)
they really thought they could make it to the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and hold it hostage as leverage. They didn't realize that the Russians knew about the plan and baited them by moving troops out of the way.

>>512929541
My man when I went to Russia the immediate impression I had was that they were basically the Scandinavian-origin version of Britain-origin Americans.

>>512929615
Yeah and then you went outside of Moscow.

>>512929760
the people are the same basically everywhere in the country.

>>512929583
>they really thought they could make it to the Kursk Nuclear Power Plant and hold it hostage as leverage
was that the fucking plan?

>>512929541
>they are the swedes
I assume you arent?

>>512929158 (OP)
More this war drags on the more I'm convinced Russia is the good guy in the conflict and did nothing wrong. Why would a self respecting leader waste his own men's lives so flagrantly?

>>512929158 (OP)
That's General Syrsky for you. He also sent fresh brigades to an untenable defense of Bakhmut. Zelensky specifically chose him too.

>>512929583
Qrd? Is this related to some post I saw yesterday about Ukraine shelling the Zappy Plant or whatever its called? Ive been kinda tuned out if this conflict since Oct 7, like the US leadership has, lmfao

>>512929962
yes. there were some nukes stored there and they hoped to seize them. really dumb stuff.

>>512929962
Supposedly the big idea was that negotiations were immanent, Trump would be cutting all NATO aid, and they needed something to improve the negotiation position.
Secondarily, a chance to capture a bunch of rich kids doing their service in what was supposed to be a safe part of the front.
Thirdly, shut down the Russian international oil pipeline in Sudzha.

>>512930837
russia is owned by jews too

>>512929962
I think they were hoping that invading Kursk would have Russian forces diverted from areas what were under imminent attack.

>>512931120
Seems Russia would have a special force just for guarding nukes and such eh? I mean in addition to their mobilized army. Anyway it clearly didn't work out.

>>512931137
I remember they blew up the compressor plant.

>>512931197
I think Russia has way more military working on this war than people really know about. Other nations too. A while back there was word of Russia getting some North Korean rocket-mortar drone things, the rocket mortar boosts the drone "warhead" up way high where it can loiter for a very long time. Didn't see anything more of it but I wouldn't be surprised if every nation on each rough side, is testing everything they have right now.

>>512931291
yes of course Russia was on top of it. they were talking about the plan before it happened, probably knew the whole thing. they tricked the NATO retards by moving their troops away, so NATO recon thought there was no one around and they'd be able to rush in.

>>512931291
how many troops Russia has is well-known. They've been recruiting successfully for a couple of years and once those people starting hitting the front lines the ukrainian side couldn't keep up.

>>512931332
Putin tricked Obama back with the Sochi Olympics, remember? He moved tens of thousands of troops into the surrounding areas in order to ward off the evil White Widow terrorist woman. Obama thanked him for it and everything lol. Actually my wife remarked at the time that she sounded made up and BOOM right after the Olympics are over he helicopters up those same troops and takes over the Crimea with 'em. Nobody ever heard anything more about the famous White Widow terrorist woman.

>>512931373
>how many troops Russia has is well-known
Nah. We have public figures but it could be different. I would expect the unexpected.

>>512931291
I know of 2 instances where North Korea sent troops. There is also photographic and video proof African troops are fighting for Russia too.

>>512931711
Sure but it's probably much more extensive than what we get wind of. That's all I'm saying, it would be easy to underestimate the number of people fighting for either side at the moment, and where they're from. Chinese military have been sighted in Russia as well. Who knows what's even going on really. Anything goes there.

>>512931479
They probably have more recruits than they announce, yes. But the general figures are known. The issue is that Ukraine's army has been shrinking steadily (russians are killing them methodically).

>>512931982
note that 90% of the few who were still there left after 2022. golden age coming.

>>512929158 (OP)
striking when enemy dropped its pants part was ok - problem was (probably) political decision to hold it later - that’s when most losses happened

>>512930837
>More this war drags on the more I'm convinced Russia is the good guy in the conflict and did nothing wrong. Why would a self respecting leader waste his own men's lives so flagrantly?

whooooooo literally fucking cares about anything that happens in slavistania
i literally do not care if every single russian kills every single ukrainian and picks their teeth with their bones
or the opposite happens
i literally don't care if nothing happens at all and they spend 200 years docking their dicks together and dying of whatever swamp diseases that shithole wasteland part of the world gives them

i just don't care about anything that happens to a slav, ever

>>512931982
i doubt it

>>512932611
https://www.imidaily.com/europe/russia-launches-shared-values-visa-for-citizens-of-destructive-neoliberal-countries/

>>512929158 (OP)
I really don't follow this war very much, but what is the state of Kursk Oblast now? Has Russia taken it back ?

>>512930837
>Contrarian level: 1000
So in your eyes, not only is Russia not bleeding out their own men at a rate of 14-1, doing it was justified?

>>512929158 (OP)
>this is the big one
>this is the end of the hohols
>fails to exploit breakthrough
and here I was expecting something to happen

>>512931982
Isn't that even more embarrassing. Russia is more zogged than the US per capita speaking.

>>512934493
>14-1
Stop reading pravda.ua, believing your own propaganda is retarded

>>512929158 (OP)
Go back you filthy subhuman

>>512935152
>some mutt half way across the world is so upset that Russia returning its land he can't stop seething
Why? This is literally not you concern.

>>512934999
Explain logically how it's retarded.

>Ukraine is fighting a defensive war
>Ukraine has entrenched positions around defensive strongholds
>Ukraine adapted drone tech first
>Ukraine has NATO tech
>Russia only recently went away from large mechanized assault groups to small scale infantry groups

All of this objectively means that Russia would have higher losses than Ukraine. There are no scenarios were the aggressor in a war of attrition comes out with fewer losses. It's statistically improbable at best.
Combine that with a Russian disregard for its own troops, an incredibly corrupt military that has been rotting for decades, and a top heavy bureaucracy not allowing for fast adjustments, you end up with 14-1.

>>512935806
hes a jew or ukraneain origin

>>512931102
They shell the Zappy plant on and off any chance they get. The Russians only have a tenuous hold on that.
>>512929583
This is news to me. It seemed obvious that Kursk NPP was the goal but they never even got close. This is master-baiting if true.

>>512935968
>Explain logically how it's retarded.
Because you pulled this ratio from Trump's ass

>>512936223
Not an argument.
Please tell me how exactly sending large scale mechanized assault groups against heavily entrenched positions several times a day, for months on end, results in a positive K/D.

>>512929158 (OP)
Pokrovsk status?

>>512929158 (OP)
Sounds good. This war wasn't meant to be won anyway. It's a money laundering scheme, like all western conflicts. It's all just money every single time. They don't care about land. It never was about land in the first place. The sole reason why Russia hasn't fully mobilized and went into full war mode, overwhelming Ukraine much like what they did back in 2022 when this first started and they rolled in with a fuckton of forces unopposed, is because those in power in Russia's MIC, are also profiting like crazy from this. The longer it goes on the better. I wager that the Putin-Trump talks this Friday are gonna be a PR stunt more than anything else, considering that Europe said that they'd independently support Ukraine even if the US were to withdraw.

>>512936278
Russia has overwhelming artillery, air and drone superiority. The only way Ukraine is holding them back is by burying the Russian advances under a mountain of bodies. But bodies are now running out. They most definitely don't have a 14:1 KD ratio, Russia has a ratio of 5-7:1

>>512936538
>this Polish anon isn't butthurt about Russia and has a reasonable take
Huh... so there is a first time for everything. What's your take on the talks this Friday or the war in general? Do you think it's gonna escalate or are they just gonna keep milking it in Ukraine for as long as they can?

>>512936538
Russia HAD an overwhelming artillery advantage, this has been equalized for a while, though they still have more

Russia has only recently begun to have a drone superiority

Airforce was also only useful early in the war, now no one even talks about FAB 500's anymore, as the air defense is too dense, also Ukraine has superior fighters.

>burying the Russian advances under a mountain of bodies.
If you look at the population demographics and the army sizes, this is statistically impossible.

You can also just look at what Russian assault for the last three years has looked like, there's plenty of footage to go around.
The reason I mention that, is you can pair that with advances on the map.

When you have geolocated footage of Russian mechanized assault #256 rushing through artillery and AT fire, just to get bogged down and BTFO, surrounded by wreckage of previous assaults, it becomes pretty clear which way the war is going.

Of course, you'll know of footage showing a massive Ukrainian human wave, rushing inexplicably out of their fortified strongholds into prepared offensive (defensive?) killzones, were hundreds of Russian tanks stand unmolested by artillery and drones, ready to mow down the advancing blue wave.

Surely there'll be at least one example of your claim, right? I mean, seeing as all the footage NATO has of Russian mass assaults being BTFO is apparently nitpicking, there should be an abundance of footage showing how actually Russians are achieving a superior K/D ratio against a technologically superior enemy, while being on the aggressive.

>>512936878
Ukraine sisters... Kursk offensive status? You have a very vivid imagination, anon. I hope you're financially invested into this, cause otherwise you stand to gain very little from such delusions.

Ukraine spent less time attacking into Kursk than Russia spent taking it back, so logically speaking Russia was on the offensive for longer. Ukraine took what it took in weeks, Russia fought to take it back for months.
Considering that you lose more on the offensive than on the defensive, I believe that it reasonable to expect that on net Ukraine won from that adventure.
That's not to say that the opportunity cost was worth it, but it's hardly a disaster.

>>512936999
>r*ssoid projection
standard response
Arguing that the aggressor in a war of attrition, who is not exactly known for its nimbleness and agility, has fewer casualties than its entrenched foe requires a solid argument, or some kind of proof.

If mountains of Ukrainian bodies are being thrown under the treads of Russian tanks, you'll have to back that up, because the reality is there is plenty of footage that goes the other way.

>>512934803
>Gennadiy Timchenko
>he's a jew trust me bro))
Jews are really lazy in their hatred of tall blue eyed russian chads. Always go for obvious lies, in hope what no one will check.

Parents: Nikolai Sergeevich Timchenko, Vera Viktorovna Timchenko
Born in the family of military. Yeah sure jews are really fond of military service, lmao.

>>512937366
No, in fact I don't have to do anything at all. I don't care about your delusions. You aren't the only temperature IQ anon here. There's an infinite supply of you clowns who cannot be reasoned with no matter what. Even after all's said and done and Russia takes all the disputed territories and completely wins, you'll still somehow believe that Ukraine prevailed. It's just the typical westoid mental illness that's to be disregarded. You're all insane and that's a good thing. Please, invite more migrants.

>>512937154
You are a disgrace to Bulgarians for not supporting Russia. I look forward for the Turks in the North East of your country becoming independent and you malding both internally and externally for your treachery.

>>512936878
Holy delusion

>>512937562
Don't listen to him the Danish have no mind for military strategy. They literally gave up all there artillery to the Ukraine war effort. Literally a merc company can take over there little country.

>>512937510
>I-I don't have to create a coherent argument
Why even post then you absolute troglodyte?

I've stated precisely why Russia having a superior K/D is ridiculous and statistically improbable.
Either dispute my argument or I'll accept your concession.

>>512937659
>there artillery
Tells me all I need to know about your IQ.

>>512929158 (OP)
>Is too dumb to grasp the concept of a counterattack

>>512931120
>Nukes stored in nuclear power plant
Are Russians retarded or are you retarded?

>>512929158 (OP)
Kursk was a trap.
The Russians emptied the area, knowing the Ukrainians wouldn't be able to resist.

>>512935968
>trench tech
>drone tech
>NATO tech
>faggot tech
go back to /k/ with your retarded fantasies

>>512934245
yeah bro lots of us are taking them up

>>512937562
>>512937659
I doubt he is actually Danish
Some Slav or NAFRI is more likely

>>512937154
this is the kind of brain-dead that is only possible in Europe

>>512937804
when you've got 5,000 nukes you gotta put them in a bunch of places

>>512937924
Denmark has a surprisingly huge Ukrainian diaspora, they work on pig farms there

>>512935806
Go to the front you filthy slavnigger subhuman

>>512937719
>Tells me all I need to know about your IQ.
https://www.businessinsider.com/denmark-to-send-all-artillery-ukraine-pm-russia-war-2024-2
Your country and women belong to invaders.

>>512937878
Quantity has a quality all of its own, this is true.
I'm not disputing that Russia has more, but it's undeniable that any weapon procured by NATO from America is technologically more advanced.

>>512937924
Whiter than you

>>512937934
There are many logical and concise arguments for why Russia would have higher losses than Ukraine, I have yet to see one (1) counterargument based on fact and not just r*ssoid delusion.

>>512938082
You can't talk your country has no military.

>>512938082
>but it's undeniable that any weapon procured by NATO from America is technologically more advanced.
bro actually believes this shit

the main counterargument is "counting"

>>512938082
your entire argument for Russia losing more people is "they do mechanised attacks". You pretend to understand how modern war works but never mention the crushing artillery advantage and what happens when you're sitting in a fortified position against it. Or do HIMARS has a 1:100 advantage over Russian artillery?

>>512938074
>>512938129

My country is whiter than yours, this is all you need to know to accept you're inferior in every way.

>>512938145
Counting what? The staggering amount of losses shown and verified of countless Russian meatwaves?

>>512938220
Indeed it is whiter but it can be easily conquered and its women white women captured.

>>512938220
deeply unserious. this low qualitiy shilling is why we've decided to cut the budget for NATO

>>512937967
And yet America isn't so profoundly retarded as to store such large, high value objects in such a public place with such shit security.

>>512938453
>such shit security
what makes it shit? The ukrainians didn't get within 100 miles of it and the Russians killed like 60k of them trying. sounds like great security to me.

>>512938211
>crushing artillery advantage
Undeniable that they had this at the start of the war, from what I can tell ranging from 5-1 to 10-1 depending on the front.
This has shrunk significantly, it is no longer underwhelming and is at most 2 or 3-1 in general.
That is not overwhelming.

I mention large scale mechanized assaults, because that's how they have attacked since the start of the war until late 2024.
It makes sense, you have a staggering amount of equipment, you want to leverage your advantage in numbers, so you attack en masse, to overwhelm the defenders.

Drones have completely negated this strategy, and combined with precision artillery it's not viable anymore.
That didn't stop Russia from attempting this for several years.

Objectively this means they were not achieving gains acceptable for the amount of troops and equipment being used to try and facilitate breakthroughs.

>>512938288
>obsessing about our women
Brown.

>>512938582
>Drones have completely negated this strategy, and combined with precision artillery it's not viable anymore.
That didn't stop Russia from attempting this for several years.
Are you retarded, just because drones are the new thing doesn't mean you should give up artillery. Besides there's going to be new counter measures against drones such as EMP systems.

>>512938582
that's still wishful thinking that assumes several things:
1. 2-1 or your generous 3-1 advantage still results in much fewer Ukrainian casualties (even though artillery accounts for the vast majority of casualties, not FPV drones killing 1-3 people on camera)
2. Ukrainians don't do such attacks (even though we've seen them)
3. The Ukrainian military is not corrupt and everything is used optimally in contrast to the Russian military

>>512929158 (OP)
The best defense is a good offense. Whats the matter zigger you sound upset by this, shouldnt you be happy. The land is being given back after this you know.

>>512938785
>just because drones are the new thing doesn't mean you should give up artillery.
Never said that you should. Nice reading comprehension.

>>512938792
>Ukrainians don't do such attacks
True, they fucked up their offensive trying to break through entrenched Russian positions.
They then stopped doing that, the losses speak for themselves.
Russia continued doing that.

>The Ukrainian military is not corrupt and everything is used optimally in contrast to the Russian military

The Ukrainian military is clearly much better suited to maximize its potential.
There is much more autonomy, translating into faster response time in the field.

Throwing away thousands of APC's and tanks for years until you literally deplete your stocks does not spell agility in command structure.

> 2-1 or your generous 3-1 advantage still results in much fewer Ukrainian casualties (even though artillery accounts for the vast majority of casualties, not FPV drones killing 1-3 people on camera)
This is fair, but it also goes the other way. You can claim to have killed 200 troops by bombing an entrenched position, but how can you know?

Leaving that as it is, Ukraine has suffered from the Russian artillery, but when the advantage ceased being overwhelming, then you can't just carpet bomb an area with shells for two days straight anymore. You receive counter barrages, forcing you to shoot and scoot, which means less artillery is available for less amount of time, which objectively means fewer enemy casualties.

So you have (almost) parity in artillery, parity in the air, and a drone advantage that is first now turning in Russia's favor, although it will be some time yet until that becomes overwhelming, and Ukraine will also increase its own production.

And then you just need to tie in the fact that Russia is the one pushing, and the logical, objective conclusion is that they have higher losses.

>>512939131
Your country literally has no artillery. You will watch helplessly as Jamal and Ahmed rape your blonde women.

>>512934673
You expected a rushed desperate move to work? Okay.

>>512939131
>You receive counter barrages
this would imply having shells, we've all seen the reports about them being able to fire 4-5 times a day due to shell shortage, all the shell-buying initiatives falling through etc.
>And then you just need to tie in the fact that Russia is the one pushing
this would have been true for the first phase of the war. In the attrition stage, Russia is establishing positions and lines where Ukrainians are going voluntarily. Once such a line gets broken, it's not like there's another line immediately behind it to punish advances

>>512937409
watcha doin rabbi?

>>512929158 (OP)
kek globohomo butt pumpers are retarded. why are anglokikes so bad at war?

>>512939572
The shell shortage situation was probably dire, but recently they're receiving over two million shells annually.

Shell shortages would have meant prioritizing targets, which would mean fewer enemy casualties, but undoubtedly a high priority target would be enemy artillery.

>Russia is establishing positions and lines where Ukrainians are going voluntarily
What are you talking about? Russia is pushing, Ukraines Kursk invasion has withdrawn and they are now trying to defend across several fronts.

>>512929541
Russians aren't insufferably arrogant thoughover

>>512936878
Ukraine is running out of shells faggot
Russia has had fiber drones for years
Ukraine just got fiber drones 3 months ago
You are a faggot and full of shit

>>512931982
Russia lost the mandate of hebrews

>>512940651
You can check any sources, Ukraine is receiving over 2 million shells pr year.

Fiber drones are a meme, and desperate cope.

>>512937154
You are a delusional faggot
Yea it takes a while to kill 40,000 ukrainians
Kursk was a slaughter house

>>512939957
>thoughover

don't say that gay shit

>>512931169
It's not and this is a cope to distract from the obvious jew west. Even if you believe this you can clearly see just by the sniff test the jews in the west are very unhappy with the east.

Ukraine will win any day now lmao. Up or down no matter what zelensky says the land Russia has taken will be kept by Russia and there is sweet fuck all anyone can do about it.

>>512939399
no, but the ziggers where sure hyping it up

>>512935968
>14:1
Imagine believing this cope. Do NAFO trannies have any sense of reality or have they binged so hard on propaganda that they broke their own minds?

>>512939913
>recently they're receiving over two million shells annually
where from?
>What are you talking about? Russia is pushing
Russia isn't pushing a-la 2022 into roadside ambushes, they are moving into destroyed Ukrainian positions and empty stretches due to lack of Ukrainian manpower

>>512941141
Russian side did not publish any news about it. All sources of breakthrough originated from hoholpidors side. All of them, and still only hohols generate such news.

Russian chads simply repost hoholpidors hysteria because it's pleases the eye to see hoholpidors scream in fear and pain,

>>512941546
Internal production as well as EU and NATO shipments

>>512941546
>empty stretches due to lack of Ukrainian manpower
Categorically incorrect. If the Ukrainian frontline has collapsed, they would be moving at 2022 speeds. They very clearly are forcing their way through defensive Ukrainian positions.

>>512939131
>The Ukrainian military is clearly much better suited to maximize its potential.
>There is much more autonomy, translating into faster response time in the field.
bait.

Ukraine: trying to preserve manpower but they can still mobilize their 18-25 year olds and fight for a long time yet. The EU will pay the bill and the US will supply the weapons.

Russia: Money is the problem. Hard to say how long they can keep going. Materiel is dwindling but they still have plenty of people willing to go on dirtbike rides.

Meeting probably will not lead to anything that lasts and war will go on until somebody runs out of men or money.

>>512940771
Fuck off faggot
The USA only can produce 60,000/year

>>512929158 (OP)
Let me explain: Prighozins failed coup was the day USA lost the ukranian war. It was a hell of an intense day for who remembers.

USA lost that day but they still had some resources and the following was their last hail mary gamble: they never wanted or had a need in kursk. Nor belgorod. The reason they went hard there was because they hoped russia will overinvest in the counter attack, thus over extending them, thus maybe be able to push back in zaparozhia. Remember the dam the blew up? Yeah the river much more narrow now and the mud dried in a year. Their gamble failed because russia did not bite. They infact let that piece of land become just as blown out as the hot parts of the front. They decided to take it slow and that resulted in the opposite of the desired outcome for ukraine.

Importantly, the whole war was an idiotic self destructive gamble. So what difference will another shit idea make when you're already in shit.

Many dead people. Maybe they won't ever again follow the light. We'll see. I do hope trump crashes out for the memes.

>>512941744
I mean here you spastic
why would I go looking for anything a untermensch wrote? it's bad enough we have to share the internet with pajeets and filth like that

>>512942003
yes, the US can't produce shit
doesn't mean we can't

>>512931120
Really tracks with the idea that what's driving the west now is the politicizing of intelligence.
Instead of making decisions based on factual findings, they have hopeful outcomes and fabricate intelligence to support them completely removed from reality.
They're literally acting on delusions as a war strategy.

>>512929158 (OP)
>>"WHAT IF WE USE THOUSANDS OF MEN, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF EQUIPMENT, AND OUR BEST ARMOR TO TAKE KURSK, WHILE FIGHTING A DEFENSIVE WAR."
lol lmao

>>512929583
>muh head canon narrative
kys teen girl bitchlet

>>512942111
When they say "shells" they include morters. The numbers are change with every source. Ukraine is fucked
Cope and seethe

>>512942030
>untermensch
LMAO In your country, niggers are raping kids as we speak. Go do something about it you weak effeminate faggot.

>>512941834
>Internal production
lol
>EU and NATO shipments
so last year they had to beg South Korea and Pakistan and barely scrounged up 500k but now suddenly there are millions of shells lying around?
>they would be moving at 2022 speeds
they wouldn't and everyone reading this knows this argument is disingenuous - they are establishing logistics and drone bases so there isn't any more 2022 dumbassery. You're entirely operating on the assumption that Russia is entirely corrupt, rotten and incompetent from top to bottom and Ukraine and its supporters are shining beacons of military genius which just sets you up for a lot of disappointment and embarrassment

>>512941088
Geopolitics is all theatre the economy is global. Governments around the world injected their populations with a novel MRNA technology in response to a nothing burger. The Jewkraine war is money laundering for the shabbos goys to build their bunkers and for Russia to destroy evidence of crimes against humanity.

>hear the story of every guest who comes I show him this arrowhead a replica of a Roman arrowhead from the battle of Yodeft, Yodeft was the first fortress in the Galilee that fell to the Romans later Gamla then Jerusalem a great destruction and I tell them the Romans are no longer here, that was their arrow and this is our arrow. The most sophisticated dart missile in the world and now i'm showing them another dart this syringe

>>512942203
>The numbers are change with every source
that's some nce ESL you got there, it would be a same if someone reported it to ICE
comprender me amigos

>>512942366
>You're entirely operating on the assumption that Russia is entirely corrupt, rotten and incompetent from top to bottom
Yes.

That is objectively the case though.
Russia is a pariah nation, which one one hand argues that Ukraine is its sovereign territory because of historical fact, and yet keeps a conclave in Kaliningrad, as well as territory seized from the Japanese.

Ukraine is not a paragon of truth either, but, for example, they recently tried to stop anti corruption legislation, this was protested against, and it went through, condemning corruption.

This is a precondition of western aid, if they allow corruption to move around unchecked, we wouldn't give them anything.

>lying around
No, they don't have a massive stockpile, but their production capabilities, together with constant imports, means they are receiving over two million shells annually.

>>512929583
No the plan was to do a quick hit and run on a relatively undefended sector, inflict a humiliating defeat, gain a propaganda victory, and force the Russians to deploy substantial reserves to safeguard such areas in the future.
Initially it worked.like a charm.
But it got fucked up by Zelensky.
If they had pulled out as fast as they went in they would have achieved all those objectives. Then they could have used that relatively unscathed offensive group to similar effect elsewhere. But Zelesnky intervened and wanted them to hold the ground, going against the advice of the commanders who were then stuck trying to defend an untenable situation, thus destroying all of the goals they had achieved.
Zelensky's interference is comparable to Hitler's interference in military affairs, with similar disastrous results.
That's part of the real reason why western support for Ukraine is waning, particularly in the US. They know Zelensky is a fucking idiot who needlessly squanders men's lives and valuable equipment, who would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. He cant be trusted to act competently.

>>512942469
You are a little pussy boy faggot from a corrupt nato puppet shithole.
You dont deservecan opinion

>>512942981
>Russia is a pariah nation
you forgot to mention the "illegal full-scale invasion"
>conclave in Kaliningrad
it's an exclave, germans didn't want it back
You're not doing yourself a favor with such posts - you either have a child-like understanding of the world or you're arguing in bad faith. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, both before and after the start of the conflict. If you believe this corruption can be rooted out (by the same people practicing said corruption) with a little bit of EU bureaucracy, you're a fool. If you believe ridiculous memes such as Ukraine having the capacity to win this war or 14:1, you're a double fool
>their production capabilities, together with constant imports
this is still just "they have them, ok?"

>>512931137
But the pipeline continues on into Ukraine...?

>>512929158 (OP)
Ukrainian untermench "logic" is quite the sight to behold

>>512943091
>You dont deservecan
thank God I deserved a proper education

>>512937154
Why is it always time that’s a tally for score with you guys?
Ukraine expressed it was for holding power in the negotiation table and that losing it would be terrible for their situation since they invested their most experienced men to take it.
Now that they’ve lost it, at the cost of those experienced men and equipment it’s a bigger disaster for them than it was for Russia

>>512943366
>don't even try to remove corruption, it's pointless
Maybe in the shithole you call your country.

>this is still just "they have them, ok?"
Same argument could be put towards the obviously depleted Russian military stockpile.
They're relying on NOK meatshields for the frontline and donkeys as logistics.

I'm sure you'd love an in depth tour of Ukrainian manufacturing plants, but sadly those aren't available, so the only sources we have would be those from reputable western think tanks or NATO high command.

It's not in Ukraine's interest to lie about an ammunition deficit, and to the contrary they have been complaining about a lack of shells for a long time.
Now they are not.

It's obvious to anyone who isn't drinking copium straight from the Kremlin that Russia's losses are a magnitude greater than Ukraine's.
There is no argument to counter this.

>>512943908
OMG i hit the c instead of the spacebar
Well that proves you are right!

You tranny faggots really stand out here

>>512944166
>Maybe in the shithole you call your country.
I'll have you know my shithole is a paradise on earth that complies with all of EU's anti-corruption bureaucracy, which means there isn't any corruption just like in Ukraine
>They're relying on NOK meatshields for the frontline and donkeys as logistics
who burn off their faces after their dismount their donkeys so Russia's honor wouldn't be tarnished, right?
>There is no argument to counter this.
It's called a map and last I checked its colors move in only one direction. Anything else is copium straight from ISW and SBU

>>512937154
>I believe that it reasonable to expect that on net Ukraine won from that adventure
Sure if you ignore all the details of the situation I guess.

You can lose more on the defensive than the attacker anon. That's been the state of the war for years, and the problem Ukraine is primarily suffering from.

In Kursk Ukraine advanced aggressively and Russian response units were able to inflict quite a few losses. As the situation bogged down and Ukraine went onto the defensive they were caught in the same situation they are on many areas of the front, they had a thin heavily attritioned logistical artery and were under constant pressure from indirect attacks.

The reason the war is going so slowly is because a Russian 'offensive' is attritioning logistics and grinding down the Ukrainian units until mopping them up is trivial.

The casualties have basically never favoured Ukraine no matter whats going on for many years because Russia isn't performing aggressive offensives.

>>512934493
>14:1
you don't actually believe this. nobody actually believes this. anyone stupid enough to believe this would be unable to form words, chew and swallow food, or would also be the kind of alleged-person who believes men can become women

>>512935968
do you eat shit from trump's arse hole as well? because that's where that number came from

>>512929158 (OP)
you thought Kursk was most retarded shit hoholniggers and their westcuck handlers did ?
oh boi
>enters grand offyynsiv to Crimea of 2023.

>>512936878
tl:dr you're a faggot tranny or literal 60iq nigger brain

>>512944252
Well I can say it wasn't just the c but you are positively ceething
but no Rheinmetall is producing over 700.000 155 shells per annum at this point
so just one European firm outproduces all of the US by an whole order of magnitude
the main problem the US has that while the state own the armories they are run by private companies and the multi year long contracts they sign restrict the production amount, the post per shell and who the US can buy from basically preventing domestic competition
while Europe has fully private producers without thos sufficating multi year contracts limiting competition
oh and we produce over double the steel that the US does

>my team good
>your team bad
>my team winning
>your team losing
Meanwhile the lines are moving literally slower than a snail.
The lines won't change much before this war is over. There's no collapse. Ukraine won't collapse. Russia won't collapse. They'll bleed until they're both too tired to go on.

>>512944852
You are an overeducated faggot paid to spread lies and faggotry

>https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/02/2024-02-12-rheinmetall-builds-new-ammunition-factory-in-unterluess-ground-breaking-ceremony-with-chancellor-scholz

>Annual production capacity for 200,000 artillery shells


Must suck to have to shill for hormone therapy money

>>512945075
>https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/news-watch/news/2024/02/2024-02-12-rheinmetall-builds-new-ammunition-factory-in-unterluess-ground-breaking-ceremony-with-chancellor-scholz
annon, that's one factory they are building
one factory that is going to produce 3.5 times what the whole US does
read your own fucking sources before embarrassing yourself like this
this like 2grade reading comprehension, niggers can do it

>>512929541
Swedes are capable people, Russia relies on numbers. If Russia was smaller than Ukraine theyd lose.
If Sweden invaded Ukraine in 2021, exactly as those countries were they just magically declared war, Sweden would win within 35 minutes.
Swedes are faster, sharper, more able.

>>512941965
We all know you are a shill/bot so the opposite is the truth! EZ. :)

>>512929158 (OP)
the mousetrap is about to close on russia

>>512930837
>More this war drags on the more I'm convinced no one is the good guy in the conflict and they both did everything wrong. Why would these self respecting leaders waste their own men's lives so flagrantly?
ftfy

>>512943908
just dropping by to remind you that you will never be a woman and every time you look in a mirror, a biological male will be looking back at you

>>512945198
Ok faggot
>plans to produce
They aint producing shit yet

>>512940913
Albeithoughever'stve

>>512945946
annnon they already have factories producing 155 by the hundreds of thousands
it's one of the factories they are building to go increase it even more and it will be completed by 2026
also the US doesn't produce 60.000 155 shells per year, it's producing over 50.000 155 shells per month
you don't even know "your own" (we all know that you name rhymes with bajeet) production capacity

>>512945917
I know I'm a man by the Grace of God
I can simply watch cartoons without mutilating myself unlike you

>>512932587
And Russian troops are being killed methodically by Ukrainians at an even faster rate. It's just that Russia has a much deeper well to draw from.

>>512934493
It's more like 7:1 overall.

>>512935968
>you end up with 14-1.
This is why most posters just tell you /k/ and NAFO fags to fuck off, cause your estimates are so far in the realm of propaganda it's barely worth an honest response

>>512937409
>>512939626
LMAO, GLAVSET BTFO

>>512929158 (OP)
Another HUGE Ukrainian cauldron on the Russian forces! Get ready for huge losses!

>russia invading ukraine good
>ukraine fighting back bad
ur a cuck

>>512934493
You're retarded if you honestly believe Russia is losing troops faster than Ukraine.

>>512946986
Am sure the men beaten, kidnapped off the streets, and given 2 weeks of training are the best troops in the history of war

>>512949742
I think the point being made here is those men and material would have been better suited to fighting the war allocated elsewhere. Rather than ... you know... don't fight.
I also can't help but to notice that you are in Poland, rather than in Ukraine... fighting the enemy you so despise. Better get going, they need manpower for the infantry.
[you won't]