Thread 513322192

If Americans could press a button that turns their country into a CCP-style one party state, but also brings back boomer era economy with high wages and low real sneedstate prices, how many would press it?

>>513322192 (OP)
I would press it. Democracy is a fucking meme.

>>513322192 (OP)
America is already a CCP-style two party state

>>513322192 (OP)
I would press it. Anyone who wouldn't is a Jewish billionaire

>>513322192 (OP)
said one party would be a puppet of capital so those things would be an impossibility

>>513322192 (OP)
Most wouldn't. Channers are an outlier. Le free speech n democracy n freedom are too entrenched for the majority of people to want to press it. Something something economic hardship is temporary my rights are forever. I would personally press it though.

>>513322196
the question wasn't whether or not it was possible you fucking nerd it was about whether or not youd push the magic button that makes capital irrelevant

>>513322198
capital is not irrelevant in the ccp nor was it in the boomer era and it's a stupid question

>>513322196
In China, the state controls the capital, though.

>>513322192 (OP)
If it was a CCP-style one party state but with neoliberal ideology rather than socialist ideology, I would press it.
>but also brings back boomer era economy with high wages
Wages are higher in USA today, even after adjusted for inflation. We pay more for housing, but a lot less for food/clothing.

I would not press a button to bring us back to the 1960's economy because the economy is better today.

>>513322199
The question wasn't if we'd copy dengist SWCC economic models you fucking mouthbreather it was if we would accept Chinese state/political frameworks if it meant magically bringing back a healthy and prosperous economy. No fucking shit capital matters in an export oriented technomercantalist economy, but the question wasn't whether we'd copy that economic model now was it you over ideological retard.

>>513322200
desu its only a question of how long, in the end both USA and PRC will be cyberpunk dystopias, EU and RF to follow

>>513322202
i'm sure trump and thiel are going to get you that any day now

>>513322201
???

>>513322200
Which is a disadvantage for their country.

Them continuing to have massive State-Owned Enterprises is more to do with state control than a serious devotion to socialist ideology.

>>513322205
The graph you're replying to is inflation adjusted, it uses 2022 dollars.

In 2022 dollars, the median household income is significantly higher than in the 1990's and certainly 1960's

>>513322205
Controlled inflation is good. It encourages people to invest their money rather than sit on their dollars.

>>513322204
lizardman and pedophile are never going to be able to get an actual NRx coup, even in the event of a crisis. Lizardman's whole formalist nrx vision is entirely blind to capital flow logic and global legitimacy standards, it hinges on a magic seamlessly transition with no counter elite resistance, even international counter elite resistance. The real worry isn't that they get their CEO king dream but that they push hard enough that the elite infighting goes hot. You, talking about capital, should understand this

>>513322192 (OP)
77,302,580

that's how many would press it. except it doesn't actually bring anything back, just institutes a one party state

>>513322209
>capital flow logic and global legitimacy standards
I bet you think you sound real smart right about now. fucking underage poser.

>>513322207
>>513322208
You are both right, I posted an irrelevant graph. I meant to grab a real purchasing power graph, not an income graph. I apologize.

>>513322194
>unironically believing that the US has two parties

>>513322212
Yes, this graph is consistent with the first one but uses a very large scale and a 1967-2014 time frame, and there was a significant rise after it cuts off in 2014.

>>513322211
ok let me not use jargon terms. If I take over the USA in a coup without popular support, even with a decent elite support base or a hard power advantage, the subsequent elite infighting would result in capital flight due to market instability even in a best case scenario. Worst case, if old guard elite feels locked out of the system, it's reasonable enough to assume they start burning everything down. Internationally, if I'm seen as a hostile takeover without popular support by my people, foreign actors and companies would derisk from my market as a result of instability logic. Certain actors might even do so for moral reasons/solidarity with old elite faction as well. The NRx vision explicitly assumes a scenario in which a seamless transition from nationstate to patchwork state is possible whilst avoiding this. Please, tell me a single you way that they could reasonably avoid elite infighting and capital flight/derisking.

>>513322214
Interesting. I'll admit I haven't looked into economic trends in awhile and never really went down the whole purchasing power/median income rabbit hole super deeply. My current bought into narrative is that median purchasing power is in long term decline since neoliberalism took root, but you've convinced me to at least look into it properly rather than preach what I don't understand.

>>513322215
>ok let me not use jargon terms.
holy shit stfu. I understood what you meant (everyone with IQ above 90 did) it's just an incredibly cringe thing to say and an even more cringe way to say it.

>>513322192 (OP)
None of that matters unless the button also removes browns.

>>513322217
It's words that came most naturally to express the ideas you fucking faggot. Especially when talking to an obvious Marxist, why would I not default to words he clearly hears more regularly than others?

If a communist party magically took control of the united states right now the evolution of Marxist Leninism they would take would be completely different o what Stalin and Deng did due to a different material reality. The thing from the communist past the united states population does need though us a cultural revolution with all the disgusting hogs we have.
We need a Cultural Revolution so Hardcore it makes Mao look like a liberal.