>>215723838
>many of those jobs would likely have been created anyway and wages are higher is businesses are more desperate to hire
You understand that means we would have less people working those jobs right? So its not that wages would be higher, its that less would be produced, which would effectively make all of us, the consumer, poorer. You're thinking too much like a worker when you must think of yourself as a consumer, because that is our shared interest.
>we have enough people for both. software engineers, service workers, doesnt matter - they could be more productive if they had greater power and responsibilities, and less immigrants/foreign labor to compete with
The free market is the judge of whether we have 'enough' of these people. I also don't understand your point about immigrants.
>from a certain perspective that's true but to me this is just "line go up"
The 'line' represents the very real productivity. Just because you don't understand a sector doesn't mean it doesn't have value.
>most service workers are severely underutilized by design
By design? Who is designing this? Do you believe that firms are conspiring to underutilize their service workers? Why exactly would they do that.
>except for continuously rising temps, hurricanes, floods, political extremist violence
Its pretty easy to not build in flood zones. Much of the south isn't really exposed to natural disasters, there's no natural disaster risk in metro Atlanta, Greenville, Charlotte, Huntsville, Nashville, and these are metros you're seeing manufacturing growth in. The entire south isn't Miami and New Orleans.

Its unclear to me why you think something bad happened that needed to be averted when today we have higher median income inflation adjusted than we have ever had.

>>213944101
You're wrong. There's absolutely no evidence that immigration has depressed salaries for Americans

>>513322192
If it was a CCP-style one party state but with neoliberal ideology rather than socialist ideology, I would press it.
>but also brings back boomer era economy with high wages
Wages are higher in USA today, even after adjusted for inflation. We pay more for housing, but a lot less for food/clothing.

I would not press a button to bring us back to the 1960's economy because the economy is better today.

>>17917687
Americans are wealthier today than ever (inflation adjusted)

>>512881518
Americans are wealthier today than ever (inflation adjusted)

>>213140669
>It's not about job loss, it's about wages going down domestically from h1b visas.
Point to me where on this graph offshoring caused significant declines in salaries for US workers

I really do not understand what problem the anti-offshoring people are trying to solve.
>Plus if you'd ever had to work with Jeets in tech you'd know how awful they are to deal with in 8/10 cases.
I do work with Indians in a tech job.

>>511085867
Extremely false. This is inflation adjusted median household income since 1990.