Thread 513483406

The truth Christians and Jews don’t want you to know!

There is more than one god in the Bible. The early Hebrews were polytheistic. The Old Testament explicitly affirms the existence of other gods - a “divine council” of gods, which is presided over by the creator god El. The Christian and Jewish god, Yahweh, was originally a patron deity only for the Jewish people - it was recognised that other nations had their own, just as real, gods.

This began to change after the Babylonian exile. The Jews could not explain how their deity, Yahweh, could have been defeated by the Babylonian god Marduk. So, to avoid admitting the inferiority of their own god, they merged the concepts of their patron god, Yahweh, with the creator god El into a single all powerful deity, and held that they alone were favoured by this deity, and that any misfortune they suffered was all part of this deity’s grand plan. This is the origin of Jewish supremacy.

When Christians call pagans LARPers, they should remember that they too in fact are pagans - only the pagan hold they worship is a Semitic one instead of a European one.

There are multiple Gods in the Bible, not just one
https://youtu.be/HIrW5ic1G1I?si=7I4FKeppi6DOVeX3

Who is Yahweh?
https://youtu.be/mdKst8zeh-U?si=NuCnAFwW3cs5MkTC

The God of Israel called YHWH had a Dad
https://youtube.com/shorts/LTgv7taiVIk?si=cZPh9-MbeM6SL2j1

The Biblical God among other gods
https://youtube.com/shorts/BGzNuigzUOo?si=wmxXGi3i8CYA2Hym

>>513483552
This is what modern Biblical scholars, who have devoted their whole lives to studying the biblical texts objectively, the same way they would study any other historical text, have found!

“Theologicans” are not historians - their job is to engage in endless mental gymnastics in order to justify and make coherent the many inconsistencies of the Bible.

>>513483406 (OP)
dan mcclellan is a fruitloop mormon.
divine council has to do with things like angels rather than multiple capital G gods.
there are more than one Yahwehs in the OT though, which points to the two powers in heaven motif and the notion of the trinity.

>>513483406 (OP)
everyone knows this
if you read the mythology of Mesopotamia Yawhe is just one of many gods
the Jews made him their main god (monolatrism)
then eventually made him the only god (monotheism)

>>513483918
>Old Testament is full of accounts of israelites attempting to integrate local canaanite gods into their religion, starting with Aaron's golden calf.
>Second commandment is making no graven image
>Historians find Yahweh/Elohim effigies alongside baals and asheras and claim this deboonks the entire story
>The entire written history of the Northern kingdom is about them attempting to integrate themselves with the local gods and failing.
Stop being silly

"Make man in our image" is the Trinity speaking.

/thread

>>513485309
> archeologist finds evidence that confirms my belief that the Bible is not real
> Based
> archeologist confirms that Vikings were transgender
> NOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT
archeology is fake and gay. Half of it is literal guess work and the other half is filling in the gaps with whatever presuppositions you have. It’s like finding a couple pieces of a puzzle for a million-piece puzzle and claiming you can make any substantial claim with that tiny fraction of evidence

>>513487240
>archeologist confirms that Vikings were transgender
There is no single archaeologist who definitively confirms that Vikings were transgender

Lol what a silly thing to say

>>513483406 (OP)
>Dan McClellan
This guy is one of the internet theology lolcows and he's Mormon

>>513483406 (OP)
Everyone here should read the Urantia Book

>>513483406 (OP)
This should be common knowledge. If a deity was prayed to, it exists

It's Angels, Jesus and the Holy Spirit

>>513487588
>If a deity was prayed to, its because it was thought to exists
Ftfy

>>513483406 (OP)
christians dont really care about the old testament. we just care about jesus.

>>513483552
It’s plain as day when your whole life doesn’t revolve around mental gymnastics to make the text coherent. Atheists didn’t just appear from nowhere. A hundred years ago we were all Christians and we began noticing

>>513483552
it's in the literal old testament retard

>>513487809
Thank you. If the old covenant was adequate, there would no need for a new covenant. Old Testament is interesting background info but not religiously important.

>here are a bunch of things you call gods
>they are actually not gods there is only one god
>we denounce all other 'gods' as false and proclaim there is only one god on pain of death or exile
>this means monotheism is achtually polytheism
I'm not even a Christian and I think this is a retarded argument. At least r/atheism autists had the common sense to attack theists from materialist framework.

>>513483406 (OP)
There are multiple gods all over the place.
Psalm 82:6
Only one pulls concert from life and death.
Tool use is pride.
The second we take our tools to
something it's corrupted.
The work of men's hands and
imaginations is not God.
We are made in his image.
Consider what even is going on with our
body.
Eyes, ears, mouth, hands, feet.. sensory
organs.
You open your two eyes and view the day
but don't you also open your third eye to
see at night?
How do you dream?
All this information is considered in the
head.
Information from the most High.
All of it pertains to a relationship between
life and death and we as stewards are
governors over these situations insofar
as to say we interact with them.
Who we are is a culmination of character
choice.
Character choice is the result of
judgment.
A culmination of judgments comprise the
human soul.
There is life and death.
To cling to life is to understand in
material concert the whims of life and
death and what they perpetuate.
Love is the wellspring of life.

>>513483406 (OP)
Ugly people always have opinions to match.

>>513487809
>>513488028
Protestants be like "yeah the majority of scripture isn't even really sneeded yawn boring who cares"

>>513487809
>we just care about jesus.
>>513488028
Jesus tells you to still follow the law lol

i worship the sun because the sun exists
abrahamic religions are a bunch of pedophiles who cant worship the sun because their skin would burn, scheming on ways to get you paying them tithes, taxes and interest

All is wisdom.

>>513483406 (OP)
>When Christians call pagans LARPers, they should remember that they too in fact are pagans - only the pagan hold they worship is a Semitic one instead of a European one.
An irrelevant distinction that European pagans would not have made.

Ironically the only reason you are making this distinction is because of the tradition of antisemitism that Christianity introduced into Europe.

>>513483406 (OP)
Even more so when you read accurate translations and know the history of Yahwism.

>>513488195
We follow the 10 Commandments and the Beatitudes. That’s all anyone needs.

Says a YouTuber who appeals to his “smart physics friends at Oxford” to refute the Christian God and a literal onions in a Marvel T-shirt

>>513483406 (OP)
socrates believed in one God, but there were many gods in ancient greece

>>513487863
athiesm is jewish

>>513488404
>That’s all anyone needs.
Jesus taught that the law remains in effect and that His followers are to uphold it. He stated, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".

He emphasized that not even the smallest part of the law, "one jot or one tittle," would pass away until all is fulfilled.

>>513483406 (OP)
Existentialism is a distraction from economic concerns.

>>513488453
>athiesm is
A disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>513483406 (OP)
If there was a god or gods that created this world, it or they are depraved and evil.
I don't see how religious people overlook this.
At least Buddhism calls it, albeit with the added part 'and is responsible for what happens'.

>>513483406 (OP)
>Avg alex o'connor warcher and is retard like him .
> No it is in bible already.
>EL is title of god buddy. Like hindu have title for their god like krishna is called gopala, mahayogeshwar, govinda, vasudeva,etc
New atheist are dum. Atheist pls improve your rank and denounce this morons
> Learn about eastern orthodox church pls no hidden it from you. Just churches prefer u to be dum fool.
>

>>513487039
>The Trinity has boobs
BLASPHEMY!!

>>513488540
athiesm is the separation of you from christ.

>>513488670
>the omnipresent being can be sperated from
This is your brain on Chirstgolemry

>>513488503
yet paul said
> Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

>>513488195
Nope. He said he is the only way, be good and loving

>>513487360
Archeology, like many of the social sciences, is in many ways a pseudo science. Literally anything about archeology is to some extent guess-work. You find literally anything and it can be interpreted so many ways.
A literal rock found in a grave could have a thousand different interpretations. A lot of it is a mystery if you just go on artifacts found in the ground

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/could-some-viking-warriors-have-been-trans-men-book-asks-idUSL8N2FJ3L6/

>>513488670
>athiesm is the separation of you from christ
Not entirely. I don't believe he existed but the story is a good allegory nonetheless

>>513483406 (OP)
People misuse the word god
God is used interchangeably for “other worldly being” and universal consciousness

>>513488784
>that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Then he goes and circumcised Timothy to get access to his Pharisee bros.
Also
>Paul said
Paul isn't Jesus

>>513488792
>Nope
Yup
See
>>513488503
>Jesus taught that the law remains in effect and that His followers are to uphold it. He stated, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".
>He emphasized that not even the smallest part of the law, "one jot or one tittle," would pass away until all is fulfilled

>>513488540
>>513488551
God is everything buddy trust me. Evil is part . Good can't exist without evil

>>513488808
Your article is talking about a woman lol

>>513483406 (OP)
No shit, everybody knows, but they're declassed as saints or devils, kikes worship moloch outright.

>>513483406 (OP)
if gods wanted us to worship them they should make themselves known in a clear concise manner
loosh farm prison planet simulation matrix btw, religions are all distractions concocted by the prison wardens

>>513483406 (OP)
>'Historians' not being able to into the concept of different titles for the same deity
>'Historians' filling in the gaps making up fanfiction out of literally nothing based on their taken for granted assumption the Bible is fictional & inaccurate by default

>Bible says Abraham's family moved to Egypt and that they became wealthy and intwined with the Egyptian court and rulers of Egypt via Joseph
>Bible also says generations later their descendants the Hebrews had fallen out of favour and started being oppressed then left Egypt in an exodus
>Archaelogical evidence shows there was a travelling group of people called the Hyskos who showed up in Egypt, became wealthy rulers there with a dynasty but were then expelled from Egypt generations later
>Historians "hurrrr durrr the Hyskos are not the Hebrews because, uhh, idk I'm biblically illiterate so I don't know it says Pharoh bowed to Joseph and gave him a ring of rulership, all I know is that it says they were slaves or whatever so they can't be the Hyskos durrrr also we don't have literally Moses preserved in amber with a neon sign saying MOSES HERE BTW so I guess he never existed lmao"

>Bible says at some point the Israelites started worshipping other gods, making Asherah poles and Baal shrines and doing child sacrifice which is why Yahweh punishes them
>archaeological evidence shows that there was indeed child sacrifice, Asherah poles and Baal shrines in Israel
>Historians "hurrrrr durrrr I guess it was actually where they just emerged out of the Canaanites all along and Yahweh was a Canaanite deity, I bet they originally just did child sacrifice to Yahweh lmao I think this because I don't even know about this part of the Bible lolz"

>Bible has Yahweh say not to worship other gods - and specifically calls them false gods and that they are just stone idols that can't speak or do anything
>Historians "see?? they thought the other gods existed! it was a pantheon! xD"

I fucking hate 'historians' so much

>>513483552
You should try watching actual theologians sometime.
Not podcasters, but priests who actually got a degree in theology where they studied Latin, Platonism, category theory, and sometimes even the bible.
You might be surprised at how refreshingly honest and objective they can be when it comes to topics like this.

>>513483406 (OP)
>Wall behind full of capeshit crap
>Trust me bro, I know about gods

lmao

>>513483406 (OP)
The origin of Jewish supremacy is ignorance just like the ignorant crap you just dropped on this board.

>>513488728
by being an athiest, you have rejected christ. is it that hard to comprehend? i mean shit, you dont even believe and God but here you are, spending your time rejecting christ. can you be anymore jewish?

>>513483406 (OP)
He’s probably talking about the plural use of God that is used in the Old Testament. Christians just believe that’s proof of the Holy Trinity since there is God the father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

>>513488503
>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them"
tattoo sluts not getting into heaven confirmed.

>>513483406 (OP)
>absolute retard take

>>513487706
No jackass, deities get their strength and power through thoughts and prayers. Remember a couple years ago when all those witches tried to hex allah and they couldn't break through? That's because he's so powerful through thought and prayer

>>513489552
What if they get them removed?

>>513483406 (OP)
Technically speaking there are many gods in the bible - Yahweh, Jesus, the Holy Spirit which are one. Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Moloch, Baalhadad, Baalpeor, Dagon etc etc.

>>513489742
>deities get their strength and power through thoughts and prayers
Cool mythology
>>513489742
>Remember a couple years ago when all those witches tried to hex allah and they couldn't break through? That's because he's so powerful through thought and prayer
Lol, lmao

According to you gods power is draining.

>>513489800
>Ashtoreth, Chemosh, Moloch, Baalhadad, Baalpeor, Dagon etc etc.
Nice. They have good drops?

>>513483406 (OP)
That is nothing knew.
The monotheistic did take much from polytheistic religions.
Either to absorb and integrate certain groups or to create an enemy image.
The angels and demons are basically gods from other religions made servants of the one god or made antagonists.
Same how special days for celebration were integrated.

>>513489230
Watched plenty of theologians talk about the bible and they always have some mental gymnastics to justify that the plain text reading isn't actually what it says.

>>513483406 (OP)
>kikes culturally appropriated the Pagan Gods into their monotheist multicultural globalist jew god
if only we could have known

>>513483406 (OP)
Dam mcllelan is a mormon lmao

>>513484702
>divine council has to do with things like angels rather than multiple capital G gods.
It's referring to multiple gods and the creator god El was one of them. Yehovah was another. Angels are just cope from retarded fucking Jews and Christians
>there are more than one Yahwehs in the OT though, which points to the two powers in heaven motif and the notion of the trinity.
Lol No Christology is the biggest CHristian retard cope ever. No where does the Old testament refer to Jesus. It's just asshole faggot Chrsitians trying to shoehorn their gay son of god into the Old testament.

>>513483406 (OP)
No there isn't. You're jewish

>>513483918
> This is what jews who have elected themselves the only qualified people to speak on this because they say so also say
No.

>>513483552
Nailed it

>>513489506
>by being an athiest, you have rejected christ. is it that hard to comprehend? i mean shit, you dont even believe and God but here you are, spending your time rejecting christ. can you be anymore jewish?
>not believing in a jew god= being a jew
What kind of insane Christcuk Nigger logic is that?

>>513490529
>believe in Judaism and the magical jew or Your'e jewish

Insane nigger logic

>>513490499
Kikel detected, remember that they disappeared when hamas attacked.

>>513483406 (OP)
>The truth Christians and Jews don’t want you to know!
Is literally in the bible, and with the deuteronomy they changed the definition of these Gods into demons because they were exposed to Zoroastrianism and the concept of Aura Mazda (Cosmic God father of the creation and Order) with his angels (Yes, angels are a thing that appear after the exile) and Ahriman (The evil incarnate in opposition to the order) and his daevas (demons).

>This began to change after the Babylonian exile. The Jews could not explain how their deity, Yahweh, could have been defeated by the Babylonian god Marduk. So, to avoid admitting the inferiority of their own god, they merged the concepts of their patron god, Yahweh, with the creator god El into a single all powerful deity,

Wrong, when Abraham reached the "promised land" he and his tribe saw how the Canaanites adored the father God El (Baal is his son btw and in the cananean myths at some point he even take the position of his father El), and they then took this God and assumed that it was the same that spoke with Abraham.

Yahve is a mix of many Gods and ideas from Canaan, to Egypt, Persia, and others.

Pic related is El and his wife Ashara, that for a long time jews took also as the wife of Yahve, because for them it was the same God, and this wouldn't change until Cyrus' Edict that gave free reign to Esdras and the Yahwism cult to exterminate any jew that didn't follow the new canon made after the exile, that also was basically heretical if we take in consideration that the jews that remained in Jerusalem were more pure because they were never "poisoned" with the ideas of Zoroaster

>>513490877
>Kikel detected, remember that they disappeared when hamas attacked.
I don't believe in Jewish gods or magical jews you stupid fucking spic half Incan piece of subhuman shit.

>>513483406 (OP)
fuck off mick

>>513483406 (OP)
christ is [the] king [installed on zion]
Psalm 2:6
>“I have installed My King on Zion, upon My holy mountain.”

>>513483406 (OP)
there is only one King of Kings

>>513483552
Fallout new Vegas fucking sucks!!!

>>513483406 (OP)
Michael Heiser was a devout Christian who built a whole career on this subject. Look him up.

In fact here-- https:// youtu.be/iHNR NoZYKzU?si=8WrHy 4AqI8lI_6B_

>>513483406 (OP)
>The Old Testament explicitly affirms the existence of other gods
Where?
>I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-5.htm

>>513487809
Torah vs New testament: moses walked so Jesus could run.

>>513489952
Not really

>>513487863
It must be exhausting for intelligent atheists to ignore Euler's identity.

>>513490499
>where does the Old testament refer to Jesus
Here.
>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/9-6.htm

Also here.
>5Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

>6In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
https://biblehub.com/kjv/jeremiah/23.htm
Without Jesus the Old Testament is just a book of broken promises.

>>513483406 (OP)
>Polytheists
the word is henotheism. Other gods existed, but they worshipped YHWH above the others. Or at least that is the prevailing view pushed by the writers of the OT.

>>513488075
Noticing how "intelligent" atheists never talk about Pascal's Wager.

>>513491782
What's there to talk about?

>>513490970
>Let me tell you about the Bible
You're wrong
>I don't care about the Bible.
Why does it always go like this? First they claim a bible scholars level of understanding of scripture, then when called out on it they fall back on calling it nonsense. The way I see it you can only have one.

>>513491782
the dumb ones talk about it a lot.
>islam and the flying s'ghetti monster have the same evidentiary warrant as the Christian narrative, therefore we have to add a bunch of more options to the wager

>>513483406 (OP)
Is this the Sam Harris Dawkins Hitchens re-run for zoomers? Waste of time. Religious people believe what they believe and that's it.

>>513490499
>It's referring to multiple gods and the creator god El was one of them. Yehovah was another. Angels are just cope from retarded fucking Jews and Christians
how the fuck do you even know this? why do you think you know this? how do the historians know this? they fucking don't know
this idea about Yahweh being in a pantheon etc literally only exists as a way to make the archaelogical evidence showing that israelites worshipped canaanite gods make sense with the Bible... despite the fact the Bible says they started worshipping canaanite deities many times. Because the historians are fucking retards and simply don't know that this is in the Bible and/or are just being dishonest

>>513491996
It's only in Christianity that The Sovereign LORD God became flesh and died for (you).

>>513492107
He talks a lot but I haven't seen him quote a single verse to support his argument.

>>513491996
>>islam and the flying s'ghetti monster have the same evidentiary warrant as the Christian narrative
The supernatural claims yes
>therefore we have to add a bunch of more options to the wager
Not we, but history and reality adds those in

>>513489058
There is some scholarly debate whether molech was a god, or whether molech was the word for a particular type of human sacrifice ritual, or the term for the human sacrifice itself

>>513483406 (OP)
Christianity has never denied the existence of other false gods & idols.

Our God is the God of gods. You will all perish if you do not repent & receive Salvation.

The Synagogue of Satan (who've hijacked the term "jews") understood that the only way to win was to attack the very foundation of civilization, Christendom, itself.

The Synagogue of Satan does not fear anything except for Christ and His followers, the Christians.

Only Christianity is capable of saving this world, every other ideology, religious or secular, is merely a denomination of Satanism (anything that does not belong to Christ, belongs to Satan) and helps to further push this world down a path of self-destruction.

Communism is part of Satanism
Capitalism is part of Satanism
Fascism is part of Satanism
Hinduism is part of Satanism
Atheism is part of Satanism
Islam is part of Satanism
Babylonian Judaism is the core of Satanism
Paganism is part of Satanism
Liberalism is part of Satanism
Feminism part of Satanism
etc.

So on and so forth. All adherents of a non-Christian belief system are simply talmud-loving slaves of Satan who, at their core, wish to destroy civilization, and so nothing they do, say or think truly matters.


Christianity is the only Truth and the only way to build a better civilization, a better world, for Man.

Ever since western civilization had divorced itself from Christianity, we've been in a death spiral ever since.

-------
There are only two kinds of people in this world:

Christians (Israelites) & Non-Christians (Babylonians).

All non-Christians are cut from the same cloth, enslaved to Sin and as a result, hating life & loving death.

Only Christians are made Holy (set apart from the Babylonians) through God's gracious gift of Salvation, liberated from their bondage to Sin, thereby hating death & loving life.

This is one of the most important Truths that you will ever receive in your life, enjoy.

>>513492116
And the dish ran away with the spoon

LOL at the christians in the thread who didn't know this was true. Guess the catholic Twitter accounts they follow never mentioned it
But just to add, it's later said that all the other Gods were actually satanic illusions all along so it doesn't count as other gods. They also use a general version fo the word god in the septuagint, not the capital g "God".

>>513483406 (OP)
honest question to christians, why shoehorn the old testament with the new testament? you only need the gospels which actually talk about christ, then you can have some of the other new testament books since they talk about interpreting christ.

>>513492343
>Only Christianity is capable of saving this world
From what?

>>513492343
>Our God is the God of gods

>The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
https://biblehub.com/daniel/2-47.htm

>>513483406 (OP)
The truth is that the story of Mary is largely made up.

>>513492343
>Christianity has never denied the existence of other false gods & idols.
Depends on the Christian you speak to really. I've heard many different interpretations on this

>>513483406 (OP)
>brainlets still can't wrap their minds around the trinity
this is why islam exists.

>>513492425
You don't have to believe, but there is no religion with the promises that Christianity has, it's entirely unique in that regard.

Muslims are slaves. Christians are God's friends. Like Abraham. God loved them so much that He became flesh and died so that we could receive gifts we didn't earn.

>>513489871
It is draining, they need spiritual energy to have strength

>>513492747
>they need
Not much of a "God" if it has needs

>>513489871
Does that orange line track everything getting worse? Or is it just a coincidence that it follows a 1:1 correlation?

>>513492509
Jesus Christ has commissioned us to expand the Kingdom of Heaven, before the world can change, the hearts of men must change first.

>>513492545
Deuteronomy 10:17 - For Yahweh your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the fearsome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

>>513492624
If those Christians read their Bibles then they'd realize that we've been in a spiritual warfare against false gods & idols for thousands of years now.

Ephesians 6:12 - For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Oh look another boring generic attack on Apostolic Christianity, I use that term on purpose because Protestants are heretics and not relevant.

*yawn* another one to the list that expands daily for the last 2000 years of coping and seething.

>implies muh extinct ethnic paganism at the end
lol fucking Himmler wannabe's.


>>513483552
Didn't you know? Edgelords on leddit who use wikipedia and chatgpt for all their "knowledge" know more than dedicated living life long experts and literal thousands of years of knowledgeable men and women.

>>513483406 (OP)
There is a good comic book called Testament by Douglas Rushkoff that deals with these concepts

>>513490499
>No where does the Old testament refer to Jesus

>Isaiah 53
>Behold, my servant shall act wisely he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted. As many were astonished at you— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind—
>For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
>Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
>He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.
>he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

>Zechariah 9:9
>See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey,
>Zechariah 12:10
>They will look on me, the one they have pierced, >and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

you fucking retard.

>>513483406 (OP)

And the god of the Hebrews can be killed by Leviathan. If people actually read the bible than listened to grifters then they'd get a clue. It's like the people who quote Leviticus while wearing two types of fabric.

>>513492702
>You don't have to believe
I know. But cool you do.

>>513492702
>Christians are God's friends
I wouldn't force my friend into a mob boss style ultimatum but that's just me

>>513492853
>Does that orange line track everything getting worse?
For the orange line havers it seems
>>513492916
>If those Christians read their Bibles then they'd realize that we've been in a spiritual warfare against false gods & idols for thousands of years now.
That's your interpretation

Pretty odd that an all-powerful and omniscient God would create lesser gods whom would eventually cause him trouble

>>513491875
>>513492116
>>513492177
>>513492107
You believe in Jewish gods you Chriist cuck fags

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,

There's multiple gods you faggots

Furthermore Yahweh gets defeated by Chemosh because a Moabite King made a sacrifice to his god.

You Christcuck Jew worshipping faggots really are the dumbest gorilla niggers on earth. You hate Jews as you should but you believe their evil illogical immoral gods actually exist

>>513492343
>Communism is part of Satanism
>Capitalism is part of Satanism
>Fascism is part of Satanism
>Hinduism is part of Satanism
>Atheism is part of Satanism
>Islam is part of Satanism
>Babylonian Judaism is the core of Satanism
>Paganism is part of Satanism
>Liberalism is part of Satanism
>Feminism part of Satanism
And yet, only the Christian parts of the world are affected by liberalism and feminism. Hindus just rape them. Muslims just stone them to death. Jews control and spread them (albeit it has occasionally been known to misfire back on them now and then). Atheists, real atheists, not the secular jews the west has, but the majority who live in China or southeast Asia, disappear feminists and mock liberals openly when they don't disappear them for crimes against grorious reader. Of them all, Christianity is the one with the uniquely poor track record.

>>513492470
the NT references the OT a lot and vice versa.

>>513493019
>added after the fact
You fucking retard

>>513483406 (OP)
The fact that the Jews used to worship a pantheon like everyone else isn't particularly profound; the Koran outright states the Muslims used to be pagan as well, but the important part was that the monotheists eventually channeled their devotion to exclusively the idea of the Monad; the Ideal Intelligence as hypothesized by the Theory of Forms.
The other gods are too flawed to be given unconditional worship, where's through the pursuit of Perfection a Millennial Kingdom will one day be had.

>>513493053
>I wouldn't force my friend into a mob boss style ultimatum but that's just me
Does a Mob boss lay down his life so that his servants can live?

I don't think you're making a fair representation.

Do you think that things have got better?
I dont think you do. The truth is you're fine with transgender kids and spiritual and cultural decay as long as we aren't Christians, because that's what the decline of Christianity has left us, moral, cultural and spiritual decay

>>513493194
you're saying isaiah was written post resurrection?

>>513493019
Litterally not referring to Jesus you fucking faggot, you rpobobly see Jesus everywhere you go you fucking magic jew god worshipping cuck

>>513483406 (OP)
The guy on the left's physiognomy checks out. He should debate Jay Dyer if he knows so much about Christianity.

>>513488404
You absolutely do not follow the ten commandments in any meaningful way, you can’t even follow the seven noahide commandments without screeching TKD (a violation of the ten commandments)

>>513493276
>Does a Mob boss lay down his life so that his servants can live?
That's called a loan my man. Or rather a con

Then the mob boss comes back later and demands payment or you're dead

>>513493276
>I don't think you're making a fair representation.
I do. The end of the line is bend the knee or perish.

>>513493094
God made the archangels and angels before us. If you don't like the Bible what about the Lord of the rings?

>>513493094
Its called Trinity.

>>513483406 (OP)
God himself says there are other gods. The very first commandment is, "Thou shalt have no other GODS before me." There would be no need for that commandment if there were no other gods.

>>513493306
Jesus was written to fulfil Isaiah

>>513483406 (OP)
Heresy and no. Fuck off paganshit. Time to burn some more Irish at the stake.

>>513493413
>>513493413
>God made the archangels and angels before us. If you don't like the Bible what about the Lord of the rings?
insane Christ cuck cope,

Lord of the Rings is as real as faggot Semite fairytale stories about an evil mass murdering illogical god and his faggot son that teaches you to LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, like a little cuck bitch.
Get on your knees and worship that jew cuck bitch

>>513493409
There's no way we could ever pay Him back. It's not a loan it's a gift.

>>513493409
>The end of the line is bend the knee or perish
You're half right.
The end of the line is bending the knee, out of terror or out of joy but there is no option not to kneel.

>>513483406 (OP)
Not gonna waste my time reading everything here, but for the curious minded check out Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory, pretty much our ,language is modeled in the left half odf the brain with a counterpart on the right that goes unused to modern day people. Esentually in the past, the days of Troy this part of the brain of active, Very, it was the voice of the gods telling us, directing us to do things. It can be hard to comprehend but esentually they had zero free will. Intersting to say the least. good books out there.
Alright I'm out, later faggots.

>>513493578
>There's no way we could ever pay Him back
Pay him back for?

>>513493420
>trinity
>3 gods =1 god
irrational Christ cuck nonsense
your gay trinity isn't in the old testament paco but the divine council of the gods and Chemosh are

>>513493578
>there is no option not to kneel.
Says the mob boss as he has you hanging over the balcony

>>513493553
>Let me tell you about the Bible
>the bible is made up nonsense.
You can choose only one.

>>513493617
Dying for (you) was I not clear?

>>513493708
You can talk about the fake stories in the bible and not believe they actually happened you illiterate retarded cuck

>>513492470
>you only need the gospels which actually talk about christ
The word 'Messiah' means 'anointed one' as in a King anointed with oil on their head like the Israelite kings of old and the whole point of someone being the Messiah is that they are descended from King David and in the gospels Jesus literally meets literal Moses and Elijah in immortal form when he ascends the mountain to be confirmed as the Messiah by Heaven and when talking about the coming of the Son of Man (himself in crowned king Heavenly form) he references the days of Noah and Lot as if they were real events that really literally happened you stupid dumbfuck.

The new testament literally only works because of the old testament. Why the fuck do you even think it's called a 'new' testament anyway? Idiot.
Fucking can't stand athiest retards who have never even read the Bible lecturing people on what they think the Bible is like just because of learning about it vaguely through pop cultural osmosis. You brainlet fuck.

>>513493430
you're confusing ontology (what is) with epistemology (what's known or believed) and the subject of a statement with its object.
the command "have no other gods before me" is not an ontological claim about the existence of rival deities, it's a polemical command issued within a specific theological and historical context.

think of it like if a parent tells their child "don't believe the lies the bogeyman tells you," the parent is not making a statement about the ontological existence of the bogeyman, they're making a statement about the child's allegiance and the sources they choose to trust. the command is about the subject (the child's belief) not the object (the bogeyman's reality)

God's primary command to israel was about exclusive worship and allegiance, not a theological concession that baal molech or asherah were genuine divine beings with indepedent power. the entire prophetic tradition is a relentless polemic against these so-called gods consistently portraying them as powerless idols
"nothing but wood and stone" (Isaiah 37:19)
or demonic imposters (1 Cor 10:20)

the point was never "they exist, but i'm better" the point was "they are nothing. do not give what is mine to what is nothing."

>>513490499
>No where does the Old testament refer to Jesus.
In addition to the other references other Anons have provided, please read Psalm 22 and compare it to the accounts of the crucifixion in Mark 15, Matthew 27, Luke 23, and John 19.

>>513493682
No, you always have a choice not to kneel before a mob boss. There is no choice not to kneel before Jesus.

Everyone who has, or ever will meet Him kneels. Either because they want to, or because their knees give way in terror. There isn't an option where you don't kneel.

>>513483406 (OP)
Oh wow. This is all just a totally wild misunderstanding of the material.
The origin of Yahweh is Ptah. An Egyptian god.
Both "thought" the world into existence.

>>513493812
Yet Jesus promised to come back within the lifetime of his disciples and failed and now 2000 years later litteral retarded Christ cucks are still waiting for the second coming.

>>513493765
You only want to talk about the Bible until someone comes along who has read it then you want to hide behind calling it nonsense. If you don't understand the Bible enough to debate scripture then don't start debating scripture, if as soon as you're called out you drop all your previous points and call them nonsense.

>>513491261
This.
Garbage tranny game.

>>513493643
>God is subordinated to the same laws than me

Talmud detected.

>>513487240
the Egyptian goddess ma'at had 42 commandments. 2,000 years later some guy called moses copied 10 of them

>>513493470
do you have any evidence for this claim, or do you just automatically cling to fringe positions that Christians would find irritating without really thinking about them, out of hatred for God?
Christ mythicists are the flat earthers of historical scholarship.

>>513483406 (OP)
>There are multiple gods in the Bible

Only in the old testament. The old testament has all sorts of nonsense in it.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the only important parts.

>>513493708
>Dying for (you) was I not clear?
I didn't ask him to do that. Nor do I need him too.

I would never ask my friend to die for me or even expect that

>>513493957
Mathew 16:28
>“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Ok now let's see the insane mental gymnastics this little christ cuck will come up with to justify why Jesus lied when he said he would comeback within the lifetime of some of his disciples.....

>>513493812
Why are you cursing so much?
Proverbs 18:20-21
With the fruit of his mouth does a man’s stomach become sated;with the fruit of his lips he is sated. Death and life are in the hand of the tongue, and those who love it will eat it’s fruit.

Where’s your wedding garment?

>>513493841
>There is no choice not to kneel before Jesus.
Spoken like a true tyrant

Yeah and in the Bible, YHWH tells you to worship Him alone.

You all are idiot crack babies.

>>513483406 (OP)
Yes there are multiple gods... But Jesus is the God of gods

>>513494074
>do you have any evidence for this claim
Why do I need any?

>>513494095
>I would never ask my friend to die for me or even expect that
Because you don't deserve it.

>>513494106
The disciples are about as dead as Elijah.

>>513483552
This. And fellow atheists lap it up because they're liberals who hate Christianity.

>>513488503
>doesn't understand what the word fulfills means
Just like muslim apologists.

>>513493812
because now you are stuck rationalizing all the stuff the old testament god did. you dont need to read the old testament to understand whats going on in the new testament. the cathars had it right in saying that jesus came to set the record straight

>>513494247
>>doesn't understand what the word fulfills means
Keep reading past that my friend. What else does he say?

>>513493194
>added after the fact
It's in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS which were objectively dated by RADIOCARBON dating confirming the age you STUPID FUCK
you know what else is in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Other documents written by the Essene sect such as the Messianic Rule document, the Son of God document and the Melchizedek (referring to the Messiah as being like the high priest Melchizedek) document. They all predict and describe the Messiah in ways that are eerily Jesus-like and they were written before he was born too. You are coping and in denial when it's right in front of you.
>>513493470
>different biographical documents written at different times by different people all with consistent life story details were all somehow coincidentally written in the exact same way to fulfill the prophecy
>even though we know Jesus really did exist because not only did so many people think he did but also Roman references to 'Chrestus' confirm it as well as the fact that the Sanhedrin themselves mention him being charged for execution in the Talmud and the Roman graffiti showing he was in fact crucified
There is more evidence that Jesus actually existed than Julius Caesar or Socrates - this is something that Christopher Hitchens himself even says in God Is Not Great btw - and yet you take those two at face value, and despite just how many people believed Jesus - and the written events of his life story - were real.

You are just coping because the implications of it being real mean you are existentially under threat from being morally judged by God. That's literally the only real reason.

>>513487240
ANDN THATS WHY MY FILTHY SANDNIGGER NONCEY )PEDO PROPHET GOT REVELATIONS FROM THE MOON GOD ALLAH

>>513494247
>who hate Christianity
Can't blame em. Most Christians are terrible people

>>513493813
I'm not 'confused' about anything, you pompous, condescending d-bag. And the day will never come where I need YOU to 'explain' anything in the Bible to ME. Take your word-salad, bullshit post and cram it.

>>513494387
>you know what else is in the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Isaiah 9:6-7

>>513494387
Your wedding garment is covered in dung.

>>513483552
fpbp, also Michael Heiser covers this
>retards discover the trinity again
Wow, shocking. These dudes look like drug addicts

>>513494387
>added after the fact
Jesus was
>>513494387
>There is more evidence that Jesus actually existed than Julius Caesar or Socrates
Nope.

This is a retard statement

>>513494191
>when pressed, i have no need to present evidence for my positive claim
alright.
all atheists are pedophiles.
>>513494414
you seem confused and now also angry.

>>513494209
>The disciples are about as dead as Elijah.
All of his disciples indeed have died. If you are saying that they ascended to heaven and didn't die then you are an incredible lying faggot. Jesus never came back in his kingdom.
Cope with how absolutely failed this idiot Jesus was. Christ cuck.
See wasn't that hard to use scripture and show how wrong you are in believing this kike nonsense.

>>513483406 (OP)
>kikes were pagans
>whole old testament is "hey kikes stop being pagans"
>see theres more than one God

>>513494149
If God was a tyrant you wouldn't be here blaspheming Him.

Objectively.

>>513494496
Am I asking or demanding you to believe me?

>>513494496
>all atheists are pedophiles
Same with Christians

>>513483552
Dude, its in the 10 commandments.

Anyhow, happens all the time in the OT, they are always running off and worshipping other gods before they get a plague or a lightning bolt up the ass.

Wait until you find out what "hell" is covering up.

>>513494498
The only disciple that tasted death was Judas.

>>513494546
>If God was a tyrant you wouldn't be here blaspheming Him
Why? He was super jealous and angry in the OT. What happened?

>>513487809
>christians dont really care about the old testament
Except for the part that they (wrongly) think commands them to worship all kikes

>>513483918
>t. Uneducated dirt poor potato farmer, who’s ancestors killed superior people because they were Protestant
Imagine having a comparable population to what you had two centuries prior.

>>513483406 (OP)
Who are these two faggots, and why should i give a fuck what they have to say?.. shit is set in stone, you can meander around the question a billion times.. the answer is Jesus Christ.

>>513494569
Christians have real moral duties and obligations, in the Christian framework, we can make sense of the statement that "pedophilia is inherently wrong."
adherents to the religion of atheism on the other hand cannot explain why fucking a dog or diddling is inherently wrong beyond personal preferences or Christian social conventions.

>>513483406 (OP)
i dont know who the people in that picture are. a melted face mutant and a 50 year old man coated in childrens cartoons. whatever they believe is automatically incorrect. i say this as an impartial person who is cool with whatever, as long as non-subhumans are saying it.

>>513494640
If God was a tyrant he wouldn't allow you to blaspheme Him.
Objectively.

If you're wondering why God hasn't smote us, He has, look around you. Everything is falling apart. You're still free to blaspheme Him, until you meet him. Then you will fall at His feet.

I met Jesus when I was a self professed Satanist. There is no choice not to kneel at His feet. If anyone knows then it's me.

>>513493873
Creator gods were in all the Near East cultures so you expect there to be parallels.
For Ancient Egypt, Ra resembles the god of Genesis most closely.
Then there was also the fact that these gods were always set up as adversaries or archenemies.
Coincidentally or not, "ra" also means bad or evil or badness in Hebrew.

>>513494706
Obviously it an advertisment thread with many many retards in it

>>513494590
>The only disciple that tasted death was Judas.
Called it,
mental gymnastics from a christ cuck

Every single one of his disciples died you faggot. Which one saw the kingdom of the Lord within their lifetime?

>>513494496
The commandment speaks for itself. No further evidence required. And no confusion at all with the wording. It is crystal clear. If God's own words aren't enough evidence for you, then it appears your issue is with God and your lack of faith, not with me. Good luck with that.
Also...

>>513494796
>Christians have real moral duties and obligations
So does everyone else lol. Well, I can't speak for everyone but I do as well

>>513494796
>religion of atheism
Oxymoron

>>513494796
>cannot explain why fucking a dog or diddling is inherently wrong beyond personal preferences
So if it's my personal preference that else are wrong then my preferences are wrong?

>>513483406 (OP)
Okay. Why do you hate Christians?

>>513494902
>If God was a tyrant he wouldn't allow you to blaspheme Him.
>Objectively
He sent a bear to kill some dudes because one of his prophets was made fun of.

What happened to that zeal?

>>513488619
He said Man retard, women are made from ribs

>>513494902
>Everything is falling apart.
I don't think so. Sure, shit is crazy bit there's never been a time that it wasn't.

People are just scared of change

>>513494978
>Every single one of his disciples died
Only Judas.

>Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
https://biblehub.com/ezekiel/33-11.htm

You don't have to die, if you don't want to. You never did. Death is a choice.

>>513494706
left is alex o'connor, the last surviving public face of nu-atheism.
he's actually really thoughtful and intelligent, but he's a vegan and really hung up on the "evidentiary argument from gratuitous animal suffering"
i imagine he's going to eventually bend the knee to theism before he dies like sartre and antony flew did though.
>>513494987
>So does everyone else lol.
no, i'm talking about moral ontology.
not everyone is a moral realist, most atheists are moral relativists.
>religion of atheism
>Oxymoron
no.
>So if it's my personal preference that else are wrong then my preferences are wrong?
no.
it's more like no one is right if it's mere preference rather than referencing an ontic referent for its truth value.

>>513494902
>I met Jesus when I was a self professed Satanist. There is no choice not to kneel at His feet. If anyone knows then it's me.
Cool man. I believe you believe that.

If it works out for you then awesome

>>513483406 (OP)
But seriously though - Is Ra El? Is he? Is he El? Is Ra El????

>>513495039
It's done.
There are no need for prophets. And it was for Elisha.

>>513494647
Caring about the OT at all is based on a highly selective reading of the Gospels, picking on particular ways of reading specific verses and just ignoring everything else Jesus says over and over and over again.
Christians have no particular reason to care about the OT most of all because the whole point of Jesus is the new covenant. Which he says endlessly and rejects in thought and deed the Pharisees and Sadducees which is what gets him into trouble. And, you know, all that stuff about loving people. All he basically says is that for all that his followers don't have to deracinate themselves.

Somehow in the hands of American "pastors" this becomes Jesus hated most people, if you aren't acting like a Pharisee you are going to hell (the Bible is really talking about your dead body being somewhere unpleasant, nothing more, not some sort of technicolor Hades) and that you won't go to Heaven (which Jesus promises nobody and you wouldn't want anyway) unless you worship the people Jesus was against.

Its fucked up to say the least.

>>513495107
Anon look around you.

>>513493094
Our refers to the Trinity you brainlet.

>>513495041
You ma riiiiibbbbbb

>>513495039
God is all powerful. Take a look at Gaza, it’s gone. Also take a look at Europe, it has been conquered ala Daniel chapter 5 Mene Mene Tekeil Ufarsin. Take a look at Ukraine, it has been smited as a punishment for the pogroms.

Blessed be the Name of the glory of His kingdom.

>>513495146
>no, i'm talking about moral ontology
Which you consistently seem to think only applies to your personal preferences in God lol

>>513495146
>>So if it's my personal preference that else are wrong then my preferences are wrong?
>no.
Cool. Have a nice day :^)

>>513494408
>liberal can't blame other liberals for hating Christians
More news at 11

>>513494532
A scholar far more advanced that the people in the OP

>>513494796

>>513493114
because christian countries are deceived by the "jew", its basically theologically incorrect christians that are getting the white nations into trouble, all as planned tho, it is a form of judgement against these false/fake/weak/incorrect "christians", God truly takes care of his elect though, they will have health and be safe from these direct consequences, the elect are few however not even christian that attends church or proclaims the lords name are truly his..... you would know this if you read the bible

>>513495177
>It's done.
Weird how god changed from one story to the next. It's almost as if he's man made

>>513495173
Ok good talk.

>>513495179
The “old testament” teaches you how to have the “wedding garment” from Matthew 22, and yours is disgusting and covered in human waste

>>513495264
>no, i'm talking about moral ontology
>Which you consistently seem to think only applies to your personal preferences in God
elaborate, dogfucker.

>>513495237
I've been around a long time bro.

>>513495360
So you've seen how much worse things have got.

>>513493935
the word he uses in the actual greek is a word meaning 'this generation' referring to a type of age or era, not literally those exact people themselves
>ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι οὐ μὴ παρέλθῃ ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη ἕως ἂν πάντα ταῦτα γένηται.
>Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
>γενεά
>birth; hence, progeny; a generation of mankind, Mt. 11:16; 23:36, et al.; a generation, a step in a genealogy, Mt. 1:17; a generation, an interval of time, an age; in NT course of life, in respect of its events, interests, or character, Luke 16:8; Acts 13:36
>>513494119
The Prophet Jeremiah uses Hebrew puns when insulting the false canaanite gods the israelites were worshipping referring to them as gods of shit, Jesus himself also uses harsh language sometimes like when he calls Peter Satan nd harshly rebukes people in general. Furthermore, the Bible contains a whole passage in Proverbs mocking stupid people and saying not to listen to them using various different metaphorical/parable ways to describe how they are stupid. John the Baptist was condemning people brazenly. Yahweh himself calls Israel a shameless whore for committing 'adultery' by worshipping other gods and whoring themselves out to other nations.

Muh meek and mild shit is just some 'Jesus was a socialist hippie who just wants you to be nice bro' modern pop culture shit. Enemies of God can be condemned harshly.
>>513494285
I don't need to rationalize shit, God could do all those things because he's God and he hadn't invented Jesus morality yet so why does it make sense to hold Him to a higher moral standard that literally didn't exist yet and that He came up with? Nothing 'bad' God does in the old testament is something that the humans themselves weren't doing and much worse and everyone He killed deserved it.

God nuked a city? Must mean the city was just that fucking bad, simple

>>513495257
>God is all powerful.
So they say. All powerful but can't save the kids in Gaza

Shame

>>513494481
>Michael Heiser
He has some fantastic lectures. He literally knew more about paganism than pagans themselves. RIP.

>>513495118
>You don't have to die, if you don't want to. You never did. Death is a choice.
So pathetic
Now you have to say that they didn't actually die lol! You're a disingenuous lying faggot pure and simple.
In fact all of his disciples died, none ascended to heaven without dying like your example of Elijah.
The kingdom still hasn't come. It's been 2000 years.

>>513495276
Sounds like a personal problem

>>513495241
Trinity
>3 gods=1 god
yes you believe in irrational nonsense and think the old testament has a trinity because you are a faggot

>>513495338
I refer you to Matthew 23, 13-14.

>>513495411
Psalm 137:9

>>513495346
>dogfucker
This anon speaks from personal experience

Nothing to elaborate. It's self evident lol

>>513495406
Anon, I have good days and bad days. Just like anyone else

>>513487039
The doctrine of the Trinity isn’t even properly found in the New Testament, it’s certainly nowhere to be found in the Old Testament. The “we” here is referring to the Divine Council of Gods - Gods, that is definitely the word used - referred to in Psalm 82:1.

>>513494408
>t. obnoxious zoomer that never left his parents' house

>>513495520
Sefer Mishlei is not part of the “law,” nor is Sefer YirmiYahu

>>513495500
>the Trinity means 3 gods=1 god
salam aleikum

>>513487809
Christians use this trick all the time. But there is no Jesus without the Old Testament. You cannot separate the figure of Jesus from the people and religion out of which he sprung.

>>513495523
Kek, so loving

>>513494572
Yeah the fact that numerous stories in the Bible mention Yahweh fighting other gods directly, often by name yet Christians act like they're monotheistic has never made sense to me. It's literally an objective fact about the lore of Christianity that the Christian god has fought numerous other gods on relatively equal footing. It's right fucking there in the book, repeatedly you inbred retards.

I fucking hate stupid people more everyday

>>513495407
>>513495407
>the word he uses in the actual greek is a word meaning 'this generation' referring to a type of age or era, not literally those exact people themselves
Mental gymnastics from a lying faggot Christ cuck,
You got the wrong verse you dumb illiterate Christ cuck
He says
> "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

They all died and the 2nd coming did not happen within some of their lifetimes and you are still are waiting 2000 years later like a fucking retard

>>513495583
I'm 40 and own my own house lol. But project some more bud

>>513495638
dumb nigger doesn't know how logic works

>>513495680
that's talking about the transfiguration, which you see like 3 sentences ahead of that passage

>>513483406 (OP)
>don’t want you to know!
Is that why both groups regularly talk about it when discussing hebrew origins, and in their commandments?

>>513483406 (OP)
>When Christians call pagans LARPers, they should remember that they too in fact are pagans

fucking KEK holy shit you are dumb

>>513495691
then how about you act like it.

>>513495755
>That's talking about the transfiguration, which you see like 3 sentences ahead of that passage

no you dumb fuck . It's talking about him coming back to judge everyone with his kingdom in the glory of God, fucking read the context asshole, it's the second coming dumb fuck

>>513495552
100% correct. They're overlaying a concept onto scripture that took 300+ years to fully formulate, and twice as long to be adopted by the majority of Christians

The Trinity would have been an alien concept to the earliest Christians, most of which were dynamic monarchialists and adoptionists

>>513495807
I am :^)

>>513488028
Dont be a retard. The NT is largely just explaining the OT in terms of the revelation of Christ. The God of the OT is the same God of the NT just we have different standing now with him. When newfag Christians say the OT God is different to the NT they show their fucking ignorance.

>>513495407
>and he hadn't invented Jesus morality yet
thats a new one

>>513495656
Isaiah 45:7

>>513483552
/thread

>>513495879
>The God of the OT is the same God of the NT just we have different standing now with him
Glad you admit that because the Yehovah god kills innocent people, changes his mind (onicient? lol) and was defeated by iron chariots and the Moabite god Chemosh. An evil stupid illogical hebrew god. Fuck that faggot Yehovah and the jew worshipping Christ cucks that defend his insane kike noinsense

>>513487809
That's exactly the problem, you ignore the religion OF Jesus to practice a religion ABOUT Jesus

Christ was pretty explicit. Worship God the Father, pray to God the Father, who created and enabled and commanded him

>>513495708
i'll assume you're hinting at the law of identity.

this is not a violation of the law of identity:
>God is One in essence (what God is)
>God is three in person (who God is)
it's what Christianity teaches.

these are:
>God is one person and three persons
>God is one essence and three essences
>God is one god and three gods
it's what some dawah guy told you Christians believe.

>>513495991
Right? Which later, this God gets mad at the jews for prosecuting Jesus, yet he planned and created all the means for it to happen lol

>>513496084
But why tho

>>513487809
>jesus
you should care about the commandments, not kike on a stick, every larper is obsessed about jesus

>>513495849
>fucking read the context
that's what i'm saying, in the next few lines it's clear it's talking about the transfiguration.
this is brought up again later in an epistle:

16 For we did not follow cleverly concocted fables when we made known to you the power and return of our Lord Jesus Christ; no, we were eyewitnesses of his grandeur.
17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father, when that voice was conveyed to him by the Majestic Glory: “This is my dear Son, in whom I am delighted.”
18 When this voice was conveyed from heaven, we ourselves heard it, for we were with him on the holy mountain. (2 Peter 1:16-18)

>>513496185
Because you think God is like a magic dude in the sky or space aliens or something

>>513495439
Do you even know who you're replying to?

>>513495552
salam aleikum

>>513495807
Liberals tend not to be mature.

>>513496175
>i'll assume you're hinting at the law of identity.
>this is not a violation of the law of identity:
>>God is One in essence (what God is)
>>God is three in person (who God is)
>it's what Christianity teaches.
>these are:
>>God is one person and three persons
>>God is one essence and three essences
>>God is one god and three gods
>it's what some dawah guy told you Christians believe.

Right , I know you believe 3 gods=1 god because you are a retarded faggot that has to make sense of literal irrational nonsense.

>>513483552
No one missed it, the old testament specifically refers to other gods even in modern translations.

>Psalm 82:1 — God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

Christ cucks just don't read or know anything about thier own bible

>>513496334
>God is like a magic dude in the sky
Did you not read the parts where Jesus went into the sky and is said to come from the sky on his return?

I think it's a man made story filled with silly contradictions that show how much man doesn't understand the depth or meaning to be omnipotent or omniscient

>>513496458
>I know you believe 3 gods=1 god
i don't though.
there's 1 God who is 3 persons.
i believe it because it's what scripture teaches.

>>513496371
>Do you even know who you're replying to?
I'm replying to you anon

>>513496371
>salam aleikum
Retarded ad hominem. The topic was debated for centuries and only settled due to political pressures

>>513496546
>there's 1 God who is 3 persons

>>513496458
Holy fucking shit you christ cucks are dumb gorilla niggers

Litterally the passage right before Mathew 16:28

Mathew 16:27
>27 “For the Son of Man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay everyone for what has been done. 28 Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Do Christ cucks really do not know jack shit about your stupid fucking jewish written bible

>>513496607
don't reply to me, dogfucking chomo.

>>513496546
>i don't though.
Yes you do you irrational dumb fuck
Jesus= god?
yes
Yehovah=god
yes
The holy ghost=god
yes
then you have 3 gods right?
>there's 1 God who is 3 persons.
>i believe it because it's what scripture teaches.
Because you are fucking irrational moron believing in jewish irraitional illogical fairytale nonsense.

>>513489230
Any recs?

>>513483406 (OP)
>There are multiple gods in the Bible
It's fiction, who cares?
Only mentally ill people are religious.

>>513496546
Scripture does not teach this, at all

>>513496696
>don't reply to me
Or what?
>>513496546
>there's 1 God who is 3 persons

>>513496525
I am a jew. I personally do not believe Jesus to be God, or a god, or the messiah, or anything other than a righteous teacher. This is where i fall out with the majority of rabbinic jews, the rabbis clearly have no authority and dwelling on ancient rituals sacrificing animals in a temple when there hasn’t been a temple for 2000 years is cargo cult behavior. So to is deifying a man in the name of God when God clearly said He has no image, that He is not a man, and that people early on started to name idols with the Name of God (Genesis 4:26). There is nothing new under the sun.

>>513496632
yeah there's 2 events in view here.
there's the second coming (hasn't happened yet) and then the transfiguration. (happened in the next few sentences)
the transfiguration is what some people present would experience before tasting death.

did you really think Christianity had some gigantic fucking hole in it like this?
use your head.
it would've been dead 2 millennia ago after all those dudes died and the 2nd coming hadn't happened yet if that were really what it was referring to.

>>513496826
>I am a jew. I personally do not believe Jesus to be God, or a god, or the messiah, or anything other than a righteous teacher.
Cool. I don't believe either, ither than recognizing Jesus as a good allegory
>There is nothing new under the sun
Agreed

>>513496826
The earliest Christians viewed Christ similarly, he was "adopted" and exalted by God (when was a subject of debate.. some said at birth, some at the resurrection)

Either way, worshipping Jesus instead of God the Father -- who Jesus plainly, explicitly, and repeatedly told us should be the sole object of our worship -- is wrong

>>513496546
>there's 1 God who is 3 persons.

>>513496826
>I am a jew.
fuck you kike>>513496826
>righteous teacher.
i bet you love the bit where he says LOVE YOUR ENEMIES fucking kike suicidal nonsense>>513496826
>God clearly said He has no image
He along with the other gods say make them in our image you dumb fucking kike

>>513496762
again, essence and persons.

say i have 3 cars.
the big one = red
the small one = red
the mediium one = red
therefore, do i have 3 reds or do i have 3 cars?
all the cars are red and all the person of the Godhead are God.
do you get it?

>>513496994
I love how most Christians completely memoryhole God the Father

>>513496803
maybe open the image.

>>513496996
>He along with the other gods say make them in our image
Amen sister

>>513496926
>did you really think Christianity had some gigantic fucking hole in it like this?
>use your head.
>it would've been dead 2 millennia ago after all those dudes died and the 2nd coming hadn't happened yet if that were really what it was referring to.
100% they just use mental gymnastics like you are doing to justify that he didn't come back within their generation or in some of their lifetimes

>>513497106
the one on the left in that pic looks exactly like you
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/505058625/#q505079820

>>513497079
It's a theme park religion. Where they get to pick and choose what thrills they want

>>513497106
I'm not a christ cuck , is this your church? LOVE YOUR ENEMIES like Jesus says little faggot

>>513497146
>the one on the left in that pic looks exactly like you
I don't think so Tim

>>513497204
>LOVE YOUR ENEMIES like Jesus says little faggot
Amen

>>513497178
They go a step further where God isn't our creator and ultimate judge, we need a "personal relationship" where we walk with him and talk with him on the beach

I've seen some Protestant women say they deeply prayed and prayed for Jesus's guidance to divorce their husbands lmao. God becomes an extension of ego

>>513496591
>Stop noticing patterns
Won't do that. You can't use the same argumentation and not get noticed.

>>513496632

>>513496996
I bet you have a great life

>>513497314
>God becomes an extension of ego
Absolutely spot on anon

>>513497377
100% better than some circumcised little faggot Jew
You know they genitally mutiilated you for some imaginary evil god named Yehovah , as a baby, so now you can't even enjoy sex to it's fullest? (if you even fuck)

I get not believing and disliking the people that do. Most Christians suck. Because most people suck. The only difference between Christians and others is what we believe. Believing doesn't make us better. That's why Jesus died....because we couldn't be better. Because we didn't possess the ability to restore ourselves to God.

So when people post memes making fun of Jesus or our faith, it really doesn't bother me. I just feel bad for that person, that is hungry in his heart to know the truth and whose spirit cries out to be reunited with the Creator....making fun of the one that put himself through torture for us. It just sucks knowing that person feels anger against Jesus because they're hurt. Feeling forsaken or abandoned is terrible and that's what atheists deal with. I think it's easier to show the truth to an atheist than it is to a Catholic or a Christian in name only. Those people are pulled into believing they're safe

Don't hate these atheists. Pray for them

A true christian would never find the way to this satanic mongolian forum

>>513497530
>Because we didn't possess the ability to restore ourselves to God.
Why would God knowingly make us that way.

>>513497507
I was joking. You’re clearly miserable, its clear as day from the words you write.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h_AJAJggOgQ

>>513497530
cool story, but you're just deluding yourself believing in some magical jew that loves you. You are just talking to yourself

>>513497682
Looks like I'm talking to you. Forget everything you think you know

Jesus loves you

>>513497295
Matthew 5:43-48

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Do what Jesus says little Christ cuck tranny

>>513496496
Genuine question to you midwit athiest dumbfucks who think this is somemassive contradiction: why does it matter if you consider the angels 'lesser gods' or that they were originally referred to like this? Considering it calls them the 'divine assembly' and uses terms like 'the Heavenly host' many times in similar ways when the text is talking about Yahweh and his chariots of angels and whatnot, why does it matter? It's obvious what it means
Btw even in the new testament literally satan himself is referred to as a god in the original greek in the epistles when describing how he is the god of this world
>Corinthians 4:4
>ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσεν τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ.
>in whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the Good News of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn on them.
does this mean satan is literally God on par with THE God Yahweh? Obviously not. 'Elohim' אֱלֹהִ֣ים is used in this same way.

Furthermore, just because the text even uses the term gods like this thinking it definitely is referring to the canaanite gods is such a leap - especially when elsewhere in the OT it has this to say of them
>Why do the nations say, “Where is their God?” Our God is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him. But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands. They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears, but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell. They have hands, but cannot feel, feet, but cannot walk, nor can they utter a sound with their throats. Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.

Yah having a host of lesser 'gods' doesn't mean they're Baal et al

>>513497680
Keep projecting little mutilitated dick. Your imaginary god ain't gunna help restore your foreskin

>>513497672
because it was later claimed that god's plan is impossible to understand, just trust that every time a child gets killed in Gaza, He has a perfectly good reason to smite him, you just don't get it

>>513497672
No idea
Isaiah 45:9b
shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’
Or shall your handiwork say, ‘He has no hands’?

>>513497776
The Moabite King sacrificed to his God who promptly defeated Yehovah stopping the Israelite attack

They believed other gods existed you illiterate dumb fuck Christ cuck

>>513497764
>thinks I'm a Christian

>>513497837
Circumcision is ordered towards perfection.

>>513484702
>there are more than one Yahwehs in the OT though,
Explain.

>>513497739
You hear voices in your head don't you

>>513497764
>Love means obeying whatever people tell you to do
Why do liberals have such a warped sense of love?

>>513497979
>No idea
Yeah, makes zero sense. Considering man was just in paradise

>>513483406 (OP)
This board is 50% Anti-Christianity and 50% slide threads. Fuck /pol/, same thing as Reddit.

>>513497998
>Circumcision is ordered towards perfection.
Sure it is keep coping little mutiliated raped as infant kike

>>513498053
Never have. But the Bible says to question the spirits so if I did I'd be wary
>>513498081
How old are you? I'm 44 so how could I in my limited 44 years presume to know more than a timeless God?

>>513498255
>How old are you? I'm 44 so how could I in my limited 44 years presume to know more than a timeless God?
You are God, you could of wrote it down for yourself later to remember, they're called books.

>>513498255
>How old are you?
40>>513498255
>how could I in my limited 44 years presume to know more than a timeless God?
Well you presume to know one to begin with. You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions but I don't see any reason to believe myself

>>513498040
people have namedropped michael heiser's work a lot in here, look into his "two powers in heaven" work if you want a more lengthy explanation.

but a brief example i can give is Genesis 19:24
>Then the LORD rained down sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah. It was sent down from the sky by the LORD.
in the hebrew, the LORDs are Yahweh, and there's 2 of them here.

>>513497333
I MISS SMUGGIES :(

>>513498559
>and there's 2 of them here.
Where?
>Sodom
>Gomorrah
They were not deities or associated with Yahweh as gods but were places judged by Him. Yahweh is a singular deity in the biblical tradition, not a collective of gods

>>513488784
Are you a christian or saulstian?
>>513494247
>doesn't understand what the word fulfills means
He does, you don't. You seem to think it means he abolished the law, when he explicitly said he didn't.

>>513496024
>Yehovah god kills innocent people
He can do that, because He is God. And? Cry about it mortal. The Lord gives and the Lord takes away, He does what He pleases.
>changes his mind (onicient? lol)
How is this even a contradiction exactly? You do realize if he changes his mind it means reality also changes, right?

Here's something that's too high level for even most Christians to get let alone you fucking midwit athiest dumbfucks: Jesus literally had the free will to not go through with the prophecy/self-sacrifice and had the human Jesus gone 'nah actually I can't do it' then Yahweh would have binned the whole plan and phase shifted reality into something else entirely - the fact that Jesus had the free will to do this and that it was a possible timeline outcome that could have happened that Yahweh foresaw is why Jesus self-sacrifice even means anything at all or has any weight to it.

>defeated by iron chariots and the Moabite god Chemosh
you dishonest lying retard
the verse just says
>The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.
It doesn't say that Yahweh was defeated by the iron chariots or even that he is fighting with them or involved in the battle. Yahweh is just dwelling with them generally protecting them from total slaughter and watching them like with the hebrews in the wilderness, it doesn't mean Yahweh himself is fighting iron chariots.

>>513498860
>You do realize if he changes his mind it means reality also changes, right?
Not without our help. So really "God" is a victim of causality like the rest of us

>>513487240
I got to admit morocco san. That was a very well put and intuitive way to explain archeology to laymen who accept it as gospel.

>>513498860
>Jesus literally had the free will to not go through with the prophecy
No he didn't otherwise yahweh wouldn't have sent him here... allegedly.

The only teaching of Old or New testament that christians follow in real life is the one that says that you must send billions of $ to isreal.
Anything else can be argued about but that is the fundamental teaching of the Bible.

>>513498559
another one is exodus 23:20-23:
>20 “I am going to send an angel before you to protect you as you journey and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.
>21 Take heed because of him, and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, for my Name is in him.
>22 But if you diligently obey him and do all that I command, then I will be an enemy to your enemies, and I will be an adversary to your adversaries.
>23 For my angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, and I will destroy them completely.

this "angel" with Yahweh's name in it is God. the prerogative to forgive sins is exclusively God's (Exodus 34:6-7, Isaiah 43:25, Psalm 130:4)
it wasn't just sent by God, it's a vessel of God's own identity, a visible manifestation of the invisible God.

there's weird fluidity between who is speaking in this passage too. God is the one speaking in the first person (I send, I have prepared, I say) yet the actions of the angel and hte actions of Yahweh are described interchangeably
>verse 20: the angel will bring them to the place
>verse 23: when my angel goes before you and brings you... and i blot them out.
the angel performs the actions, but Yahweh takes credit for it as His own action, suggesting the angel is not an independent entity but an extension of God's own agency, His "Face" or presence.
the command is to "obey His voice" (the angel's) and do "all that I say" (Yahweh's words)

the first power is the transcendent, invisible, and utterly unknowable God who dwells in unapproachable light.
the second power is a visible, often human-like, manifestation of God who interacts with the physical world. He shares Yahwe's authority, bears His name, and speaks as Him.
whenever you see "Angel of the Lord," it's likely this second power, who centuries later is known to be the pre-incarnate Christ.
>>513498822
anon...

>>513499323
None of this makes any sense and is clearly head canon

>>513493053
>Pretty odd that an all-powerful and omniscient God would create lesser gods whom would eventually cause him trouble

>>513499323
>the first power is the transcendent, invisible, and utterly unknowable God who dwells in unapproachable light.
>and utterly unknowable God who dwells in unapproachable light.

That statement alone contradicts everything you just said

>>513499418
>None of this makes any sense and is clearly head canon
you're retarded and i'd like to bring up a bunch of reasons why but thread's about to 404.
you could watch the Q and A section of david wood's debate with alex o'connor (guy in OP pic) for some more exploration into this.

>>513499582
>you're retarded
Says the clown who literally contradicts himself
>>513499323
>utterly unknowable God who dwells in unapproachable light.
>utterly unknowable
Which means all thr nonsense just spouted is utterly knowable, aka headcannon

>>513483406 (OP)
The pathetic Jew cope for this in theology is called the "majestic plural". They pretend that Hebrew sometimes uses a plural to name God, something like the "royal we", but only in one of the names of their god, and even though there are no other instances of this in Hebrew or any other Semitic language. The truth is that Genesis reflects a classically Semitic polytheistic tradition older than Judaism, which is a post-exile invention.

Other Semitic people across time and space had many gods that they worshipped and a localized patron god of their city-state that they worshipped chiefly among them. That is polytheism, which is different than monolatry, the belief in many gods and worship of one. The Hebrews of the Bible went through a long phase of both. This tradition is represented in Exodus where, as one example, in the Ten Commandments, Moses claims his god said that they shall worship no other gods before him, which implicitly confesses the existence of other gods. This tradition continues until Ezekiel, who tries to cement the Hebrew god as the only god. That's not to say every Hebrew committed to that at that time, they didn't.

To say Jews today are broadly polytheistic is an entirely separate issue and I don't think you can support that. For one, they are not the Hebrews of the Bible, there is no continuity. You could argue that Jewish mystic traditions are monoltry or polytheistic, but those aren't broad Jewish beliefs.

>>513483552
This is not a new topic and you sound Jewish.

>>513485047
Correct, but unfortunately most people do not know that.

>>513487039
Catholic cope.

>>513487588
The word "exist" is thrown around way too liberally. You can safely say the concept of a god exists without saying a god exists. It wouldn't be appropriate to say that any transcendental concept of god like the Ein Soph in Kabbalah or the Pleroma in Gnosticism "exist" or are "real" in the Platonic sense.

>>513499418
it does make sense and it's further supported by Paul saying Jesus will return with 'the voice of an archangel' in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 as well as how Jesus is generally depicted in Revelation as being seated on the throne like the Ancient of Days acting like an avenging angel

>>513499763
>it does make sense
Not to me

>>513483406 (OP)
Read moar, heathen!