Thread 513624984

who is surprised?

>>513624984 (OP)
>stops giving billion dollar corporations tax payer subsidies
>line goes goes down
How are your student loans coming along after Biden gave those billion dollar corporations your tax dollars?

>>513624984 (OP)
i'm not working with a bunch of mexicans

>>513625295
Companies are blaming instability and roll backs of biden IRA, the BBB also crushed many tax incentives, one of the few largest domestic solar manufacturer Meyer Burger just closed down,

US imports from China are up 16%

Free market BS doesn't solve anything only extracts and creates a rentier economy, 150yo biden knows this why not you?

constant volatility with tariff announcements - setting them and then pausing them and then dropping them and then raising them is intended to make other countries feel insecure and off balance in trade talks but it is absolutely paralyzing new projects at home. it makes planning costs for new construction/expansions fucking impossible past a six month horizon and these projects take years to get off the ground and up and running. my industry has seen a massive chill in new projects to assist with. we are involved in the early planning stages of new development so this retardation is going to have massive years long downstream impacts on other sectors related to manufacturing.

t. geotechnical engineer

>>513625801
That's a great shill for corporations, anon. I didn't think you'd pull it off so well. I completely underestimated your dedication to corporations. You are a Democrat after all

>>513624984 (OP)
That is just a measure of inflation.

You lost tranny. Trump support for Israel is at its highest and their pedos are safe.

Nah seriously, I don't think that Trump and his advisors really measured the perversity of the trade/industry situation.
Also, the task of reindustrializing the USA is immense and would take at least 10 years to produce some effects.
Same thing with the deportations...
As long as they can throw some PR stunts, à la Alligator Alcatraz, it will keep miggers morale high. 2028 will be a Dem landslide though.

>>513624984 (OP)
>tariff the shit out of raw materials
>manufacturing goes down
:O

>>513624984 (OP)
OP is a massive fag

>>513624984 (OP)
People are checking out of society at an alarming rate.

>>513624984 (OP)
Maybe if the orange nigger would put tariffs on China instead of cucking out for Israeli donors

>>513625801
> Free market BS doesn't solve anything only extracts and creates a rentier economy, 150yo biden knows this why not you?

Free market where? We’re in the middle of a trade war. Trade wars don’t happen in free trade markets.

>>513624984 (OP)
Does he mean the illegal immigrants who were imported to be paid below market wages while being subsidized by American taxpayers?

>>513624984 (OP)
Trump is giving the economy medicine.

>>513625900
Adding to this: the public sector isn't any better off. Doge and Trump attacking his own agencies has put everyone in the government sector on 'freeze up like a deer and hope not to get noticed' mode, because providing an essential service that people need to live ISN'T ENOUGH to spare you Trump's ire.
MAGA likes to pretend that the people getting punished by this are fat old office workers in DC that soak up government money and don't do anything, but they miss the forest for the trees. The government is an absolutely massive employer in the US, and government funding keeps the wheels of a lot of industries spinning. When that all freezes up, a shitton of projects and contracts across the US all have no idea whether or not the work they have already signed for and started work on is actually going to be funded to be completed.

Its just a recipe for a petrified economy all around. The only reason that shit hasn't gotten worse faster is because of how strong an economy we had to start with, but just because we are bleeding out slow doesn't mean we are not bleeding out.

It’s crazy miga used to be the dominant voice on /pol/ and now it’s just a handful of retards getting wrekt in every thread

>>513624984 (OP)
>spending
>manufacturing boom
It didn't translate into actual output, retard. It's still stagnating on the same level since 2007 with fluctations during recessions. It simply shows there's huge inflation since 22.
It's amazing how lefties are so economically illiterate.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO#

>>513624984 (OP)
High rates are strangling the economy.

>>513633599
You are no better than miga. Just a dumb leftist shill trying to present increase in spending due to inflation as real growth, when data shows everything. >>513634149

>>513625801
Meyer Burger isnt domestic
its from Switzerland

>>513632513
Nah.
American Steel producers VS. American Steel conumers.

Your Steel-consuming job sector outnumber your steel-producer job sector 80 to 1.
If your inffinite folly, you sided with your Steel-producers, and raped your Steel-consumers with higher prices, so the 1:80 minority could rak in more money, at the cost of the 80:1 majority.

>>513633491
But DOGE was able to fire a park forest worker making 45k a year! Doesnt that make it all worth it!?

>>513634601
Am I to simply accept that my country will never produce its own supply of a critically important material like steel?

>>513625295
>Tax dollars
Don't pay for anything. The Central bank funds it all.

>>513626046
>That's a great shill for corporations
ah yes the same companies sucking diddler don's dick to get around tariffs while local businesses file for bankruptcy you retarded migapede faggot.

manufacturing boom of hand sanitizer and masks? what exactly were they manufacturing?

>>513636284
>local businesses
noooo muh dropshippers

>>513624984 (OP)
You mean the factories hiring a bunch of imported foreigners instead of our people? Good, I dont care if this fake economy grinds to a fucking halt. It will serve and benefit us or it will do so for no one.

>>513636513
actual retard

covid hysteria is the only reason for a manufacturing boom, not biden... people throwing away furniture, cars or trucks, etc all because of a virus... like that ever was normal with aids

>>513636108
>produce its own supply of a critically important material like steel?
If you are obsessed with this, then you're doing the right thing.
But it will come at a cost, favouring the few to mass rape your majority Steel industry.

>>513624984 (OP)
>plans made under trump admin begin breaking ground after years of planning
>biden economic strategies result in a complete shutdown of planning
>chart reflects this

>>513624984 (OP)
This is what everyone selling you this bullshit earnestly looks like, including in this topic. Sorry Chang you can either open the factory in America or you can pay more bringing it here. Don't like it, sell your shit to others

>>513636637
Show me the data on that or shut the fuck up with your lies

covid was cash for clunkers all over again and what did it do like the original cash for clunkers? make everything more expensive not just cars

>>513636854
its buried inside my ass, how about you excavate it with your bwc

>>513636264
>Don't pay for anything
Yes they do. Do you think the government gets all of its budget from the central bank?

>>513628291
>trust the Federal Reserve

big fucking kek, anon

>>513634633
he stole 45k from Israel?! Oy vey!!!

>>513624984 (OP)
But I thought the tariffs was going to save American manufacturing?

>>513636912
Yeah so you just come here and talk about shit you can't back up, got it.
I worked thrift stores and there wasn't a big boom in what we picked up and tried to resell, or put out to the landfill. It was a lot less, in fact. Stop projecting your retarded worldviews onto other people.

>>513624984 (OP)
Are you sure this doesn't have to do with the quadrillion dollars printed in 2020?

>>513637061
>save American manufacturing

>>513637163
>thrift stores
In my country those are predominantly staffed by actual retards but I always have great conversations with them at the check out counter. Good people, just slow is all.

>>513637234
Trump hired the guy who did that too

>>513637061
If even possible imagine how long it would take to reverse 50 years of offshoring. Trump is just using tariffs to get what he wants from other countries

>>513637281
I was in charge of what we decided to resell or throw out, but that's not the fucking point I was making. The point was that the anon I replied to is talking out of his ass about people "throwing furniture out during covid". Be real, and tell me if you saw ANYONE doing that. I'm fairly sure the answer is no. If anything people hoarded their worthless shit.

>>513624984 (OP)
>total private construction spending
wow, what a bullshit graph, kill yourself OP

>>513637427
Right, but you guys are tying this to tariffs, which is disingenuous and/or makes you look retarded.

>>513624984 (OP)
What did you expect from an Israel First pedo?

>>513637448
Maybe leople probably don't want to buy bedbug-laced used furniture?

>>513637588
>I don't understand what people mean when they say money printing and I think money printers just go brrrrrrrr

>>513636769
>or you can pay more bringing it here.
That is not how tariffs work. WE, the Americans pay more for imported products, in order to encourage us to buy local instead, and then the local producers (being jews) raise their prices to be just under that of the price + tariff of the imported goods.
Basically , this whole thing would have only worked with price controls on local products along with government subsidies to help pay for increasing manufacturing capacity to meet the demand, neither of which are in the works (because Donnie is a jew).

>>513626046
Do you have any counterargument? Why are you so mad?

>>513637870
Or maybe people just didn't throw their furniture out during covid which is the initial statement that was made, and you bringing up bed bugs like that wasn't some fear mongering bullshit literally several years after lockdowns and the pandemic is completely irrelevant

>>513637891
The government passed a law which issued a bunch of Treasury bonds, which were given to the Federal Reserve as collateral, which in turn lent that money to banks et al. Happy now, you pedantic NIGGER?

>>513638050
Not really considering that's literally not what money printing is and it makes your argument sound like it's coming from someone with down syndrome.

>>513638204
Printing is a colloquialism for increasing money supply and you're an argumentative europoor who lives every waking moment, probably some dreams, seething about the United States of America.

>>513637920
Then we should encourage such controls to ensure that the American people are not price gouged, but I will not support the further outsourcing of American jobs anymore. They must be brought back, and we must stop treating America like an economic zone rather than a country.

I'm convinced that chartfags cannot even properly interpret the graphs they worship.

>>513639011
they just see LINE GO DOWN ORANGE MAN BAD, they don't even look at what it's actually charting

>>513639101
I mean in this case OP is a faggot and probably knew exactly what he was doing but the point stands.

>>513638393
That's a retarded oversimplification of what's actually going on and your previous post directed at me already proved that, I don't understand why the fuck you're even still talking to me, are you genuinely low IQ or something?

>>513639680
But it's not wrong and I have no idea why you started to reply to my posts in the first place. You're just another pissant euro who flies into rage at the mere thought of an American.

>>513638845
I agree completely, unfortunately the many people with that same sentiment are being farmed by Trump as support for jewish supremacy. Basically, he tells you he's helping you while he fucks you in the ass.

>>513639838
But it is wrong because money printing isn't the same as issuing bonds. One is literally injecting money into circulation and the other just moves existing cash around. Low IQ confirmed. Words matter anon, what you said and what you meant weren't the same thing. Go cry to your mommy about it, not me, you petulant child.

>>513625900
That's exactly what I assumed yeah, senile orange nigger is too unpredictable.
t. janitor

>>513639011
>>513639101
Why did he use curved arrows to designate start/stop times? Why not on the x axis. What a poor graph.

>YOUR guy did the bad stuff
>OUR guy did the good stuff
>the bad stuff now is a lag effect after YOUR guy
>the good stuff in the past was a lag effect after from OUR guy
>actually the good stuff under YOUR guy was due to (some externality)
>actually the bad stuff under OUR guy was due to (some externality)
Why do people keep having the same argument over and over again for decades? Do people ever get tired of being retarded?