Thread 514054476

Do you guys blame WW1 also on jews or it was retarded inner-politics tension in europe and that theses retards do a really bad job.

WW I was purely Germany's fault

>>514054562
Would't be austria tho

>>514054562
It was actually purely Russia's fault

>>514054588
No, Austria would never act without Germany's permission. Berlin knew their permission would start a world conflict and proceeded anyway, thinking they would win the war by summer. WW I happened because of Germany's arrogance and hunger for more power in Europe.

>>514054476 (OP)
Jews and their masonic minions, in particular the 'black hand' mizraite scum that spawned every psyop abomination from the french revolution to communism to the nsdap

>>514054621
>"..."

>>514054699
How is every single russian flag so pathetically bluepilled on everything historical?

>>514054710
This sounds kinda silly, whole WW1 era was a shitshow without too much control.

I wish Russia would reinstate the Tsar that the jews merciless executed for no other reason than pure bolshevism hatred of European culture.

>>514054699
Posts like these is why I support total Russia death

>>514054562
russia started ww1, escalated all tensions and rearmed first.

>>514054905
Main problem with that it's that nobody really wants to be a tsar with power, 99% of european monarchs are dorks that are happy to be cultural attractions rather than have power.

>Do you guys blame WW1 also on jews

Yes.

-The Jews financed all sides of the war and profited from it
-The Jews brought Americans into the war to dismantle the Ottoman Empire and to have the British mandate Palestine so that they can begin their Zionist project
-The Jews instigated World War I to weaken the Christian monarchs, bring society to a brink of collapse and carry out their worldwide communist revolution

>>514054476 (OP)
>rich old fart gets shot somewhere in balkanistan
>poor kids all over europe have to die in the trenches
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>514054971
Yeah, Russia started WW I by being attacked by Germany. And Poland started WW II by being invaded by Germany. Why the fuck are Poles such miserable cuckolds?

>>514054699
You raked them over the coals in 1945, made them your slaves for 40 years. and you are still holding a grudge?

>>514054476 (OP)
WW1 was the culmination of the Empire conspiring since 1880 to stop the Germans from uniting and growing too powerfull. A policy they employed for 100s of years btw for the entire continent. Also among many things krauts were working on oillines through turkey. Can't have that. Anyway it is a long and dirty history, read 'der Krieg, der viele Väter hatte'.

>>514054833
>whole WW1 era was a shitshow without too much control
Don't be retarded anon. In 1914, the Rothschilds were the prime funders of EVERY MAJOR POWER except Russia
Funding sovereigns is the supreme power in this world

>>514055062
>-The Jews brought Americans into the war to dismantle the Ottoman Empire and to have the British mandate Palestine so that they can begin their Zionist project

Wait this dosen't make sense, USA joins the wat after the zimmer telegraht, it joins out of germany trying to get USA bussy with mexico and not help britain.

>>514055123
Russia started both World Wars and is currently drawing us all into WW III
Why is Russia so evil and imperialistic?
>BUT MUH GERMA-
shush, compare your landmass with other countries and tell us who the true evil imperialistic devil is that steals and robs land from others

>>514054476 (OP)
Without WW1 Hitler would have died as a hobo in Vienna

>>514054476 (OP)
>It was everyone else's fault as usual and my country dindu nuffin.

>>514055153
What grudge? Its just a fact. Austrians specifically travelled to Berlin just to ask for a permission to fuck over Serbia and Germany said they would back them. German's entire war plan was also based on a total victory in a few months.

>>514054971
>August 1: Germany declares war on Rusisa
>August 2: Germany invades Luxembourg (without declaring war)
>August 3: Germany declares war om France
>August 4: Germany invades Belgium (without declaring war)

Ww1 was literally a kraut chimpout

>>514055382
There's certian info about that period of his life that seems he would trying to migrate, where? who knows, maybe america or south america.

>>514054476 (OP)
>do you blame ___ on jews

Yes

>>514055472
thats not what happened. russia was rearming and started attacking people. germany only declared war long after russia already started military operations.

>>514055123
>>514055342
>>514055472
I fucking hate NPCs and their retarded takes so god damn much. Why don't you fuck off to plebbit or sth?

>>514055448
Yes "facts", that's a nice word to justify any crime.
Just write down some lies, mark them as "facts" and teach them in school or shit post them on the internet

>>514055386
I mean i get some people hates zionits or things like that but euro monarchs we're not that much of "good leaders" on that age if you know what i mean, you had the austrian one getting his own son to kill himself out of his austism.

>>514055609
Chill I just try to trigger and troll the Russian Reddit fag, how retarded are you to not see that

>>514055589
Yeah bro the russians and their shitty ass railway the first to do anything holy cope
We literally have it black on white how the german general staff was plotting the war

>>514055472
By the time krauts declared war the Russian troops were already in Germany and Britain had build up troops everywhere. Britain had worked with Russia, France etc long before to make sure all were on board. Thus war was planned, wirh records to prove it, since 1880.
>muh chimpout
Fucking retarded take on history.

>>514055609
Why don't you go be a nigger somewhere else?

>>514055653
>one getting his own son to kill himself out of his austism.
I'm sure that's what happened
Nothing to do with masons targeting that family for decades
You NPCs literally reproduce textbooks like they're gospels. You might as well be bots. I prefer bots desu

>>514055745
they already rearmed and were massing trrops on the border, nevermind the fact the entire balkans upheaveal was because of russia. plus russia was already planning to invade several regions galicia and of course the straits.

>>514054476 (OP)
Jews of course. It's always jews. First day on /pol/?

>>514055315
No, there was a secret meeting between the Zionists. The Americans were brought into the war so that the Balfour Declaration could be realized. World War I ended one month after the British mandated Palestine from a dissolved Ottoman Empire.

>>514055828
If you read about it yeah it's kinda like that, the total presure out of his father and abuse make him to commit suicide, not that dificult.

>>514055745
He is just a butthurt belter. They are so consumed by butthurt they imagine an entirely different reality where getting attacked means you are the warmonger.

>>514055756
The russian invasion started a full two weeks after germany declared war on them. Britain didn't even have an army in 1914. We have it black on white that Von Jagow was ordering all german diplomats to do everything in their power to destabilize the situation, von Bethmann Hollweg consolidating the parliament on the war decision (including getting the SDP on board, and even von Falkenhayn threatening Wilhelm with a military coup if he were to write the austrians to back off

>>514055756
>Thus war was planned, wirh records to prove it, since 1880.
Definitely. A famous masonic article literally 'predicted' the exact event and resulting conflagration a year before it happened, but it had clearly been in the works for decades with freemasons targeting A-H and the Ottomans for obvious (((reasons)))

>>514055486
WW1 and WW2 are basically the same war with a 20 year cease fire. The Nazis were a symptom of the German people's outrage as their mistreatment. If it was not Hitler, someone else would have come along and take power. The world wars were a chance for everyone to see what a European country is capable of when pushed to the brink.

>>514055988
>If you read about it
Tell me, if you 'read about' JFK or 9/11 what happened?

>>514056166
The germans were not mistreated. Their whole country was kept intact, save for a few border regions they had annexed with their warmongeeing over the 19th century, they never faced a full occupation, and muh "war reparations" were proportionally SMALLER than what they had forced the French to pay in 1871. The krauts get off easy every fucking time due to your mutt meddling, why don't you let us put that pathetic excuse of a "nation" down for good already?

>>514056166
The inner-period was indeed a shitshow, france govs getting down and up every month, spain entering civil war, warlords in eastern europe supported by the bolcheviks, england getting broke, great depression, socialists and nationalits in germany fucking each orther (we know how that ends), it was a total shitfest and that modern warfare become more advance it end up in even more death, really a terrible time to be a alive.

>>514056166
Both wars were planned together. EVERYONE with a brain knew what Versailles would lead to. Many not in the know warned against it for that reason, great minds like Keynes and Veblen, every bit as naive and ignorant as all of you on the actual puppet masters and their schemes

>>514056139
Nigger the exact same thing happened a year earlier, but I'm sure you've never heard of the Montenegro crisis

>>514056044
Why do you started a war against Ukraine? Why do you like killing innocent civilians?
Why is Russia so satanic?
Why did you conquer and kill everything in Siberia?
Why shouldn't we hate you? You are pure evil and we will always hate you

>>514056445
That doesn't change the fact that Germany fought on longer when most other nations would have thrown in the towel. It took the UK, USSR and US all working together both militarily and industrially to break Germany.

>>514056539
Dude, seriously, fuck off. Can't you see I am not interested in talking to you?

>>514054476 (OP)
british empire and unified germany could not coexist mechanical
took 100 years and two world wars but we now know lost that issue

>>514055382
Why did every member of Hitlers inner circle have black/brown hair. Short, glasses, scrawny, fat some even had brown eyes. Why is that pol? You’d think they would at least get a prop chiseled 6”5 blond hair blue eyed fill guy to just stand around at formals. Goebbels looked like an Italian from sopranos and Himmler looks like a little Mexican kid I use to play basketball with lmao.

>>514056707
call it the second crimean war to make everybody understand why it happened and who caused it

>>514056780
>You’d think they would at least get a prop chiseled 6”5 blond hair blue eyed fill guy to just stand around at formals

They had Heydrich, although he wasn't all that important.

>>514054476 (OP)
Yea man the driver just happened to drive the Archduke right to the designated spot where the black hand meet to plan his assassination.
It was just a coincidence.

>>514056780
Probably because they were not Aryan? I am a Celt so Hitlers master race theory does not include me.

>>514056109
>Britain didn't even have an army in 1914.
Lmfao, look at a map for the size of the Empire at that time:

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE339763

Fuck me, 'no army' hahaha you are a retard.

We have it black on white the British elite were planning war against Germany since the 1880s.

>>514056933
its the 21st century and a myopic view

>>514056780
>>514056780
Tbh being a political it's a really sedentary work, make you more fat and short in a lost of cases.

>>514054699
Russia supported the Serbs in an unjust case. Austria was in its right and their ultimatum was absolutely reasonable. Serbs should have accepted it and they most likely would have without the in-blanco backing of Russia. Nothing would have fucking happened to the Serbs and anybody else.
Mind you that I am saying here that we (Slavs) are to blame this time.

>>514055448
So Russia slowly breaking up the Austria-Hungary empire by supporting faggots like Serbs to split off and helping the terrorist black hand with the help of the British (the royalty were relatives exchanging letters before and through the war) is just nothing but when they demand Serbia stops chimping out it's suddenly evil?
Wow what a coincidence that the nation (YOU) live in is totally right and the other nations are totally wrong.

>>514054476 (OP)
the consequences
>4 empires fall
>degeneracy
>pandemic
>feminism
>women vote
>bolshevik revolution
>league of nations
>millions goyim dead and so on
yeah, my bet is on the jews

>>514056418
>not mistreated
Belgium and France even invaded them in between. Wtf are you talking about.

>>514057118
>Austria was in its right and their ultimatum was absolutely reasonable

No, it wasn't. It was specifically drawn in a way that Serbia would not accept it, which would trigger a war. That was the plan all along. It was practically a demand of an unconditional surrender. Which is why Serbia refused. It was unacceptable by design, Germany did not want it to be accepted. Germany wanted a war.

>>514056707
why do you even come here? youre just a glownigger liek every russian with western internet access

>>514057072
BEF started with 6 divisions opposed to 100 german ones

>>514057310
German military knew that a 2 front war with France and Germany would drag on and ultimately be their end. They came to the conclusion that the sooner they had a war to knock one of them out, the better.

>>514057628
France and Russia, fuck

>>514057628
Well, yeah. Plus they knew that Russia, France and Britain were not ready for a war yet, so they wanted to strike as soon as possible. But the point is - Germany wanted that war. And they started it. It just didn't go according to plan.

>>514057203
mmmmmmmmmmmmm a Serbian puting blame on orthers for a war that start by.........a serbian guy shoting another guy mmmmmmmmmmm suspicius if you ask me.

>>514056780
Because Nazism was a jewish psyop planned along with WW1 and WW2

>>514057836
They were so close to, maybe not winning, but at least getting their own version of a peace with honor. That is what made the citizen even more angry when their leaders gave up.

>>514056707
Are you crying right now?

>>514057545
>biggest empire ever known (except ofc for the one after ww1)

They had forces across the globe in the middle east, across africa, pacific and the americas, just like the US do now. 'No army', fucking hell gtfo.

>>514058036
serbia is a multicultural country
i'm albanian

>>514057836
russia had already rearmed (russia was the first country to mobilise because russia was planning an invasion of galicia and the straits).

https://archive.org/details/russianoriginsof0000mcme
the best book on ww1 and how russia was the ones to start it.

>>514058355
All those forces yet the most they can send in 1914 is 6 divisions

>>514058718
They expected the frogs to do most of the heavy lifting.

>>514058709
britain caused both world wars

>>514059112
incorrect, russia did.

>>514058709
>muh russia
kys

>European nations still at each others throats despite a looming Russian threat.
And that cunt Ursula wants everyone to think Europe is united against Putin

Germany started WW1 by giving a carte blanche to Austria to chimp out. The UK started WW2 by giving a carte blanche to Poland to chimp out.

>>514059312
>migrant sandnigger who cant read books
why even bother writing here in the first place?
>>514059368
not even remotely close. russia was preparing to launch an invasion of galicia and had already massed troops on the border. then they kicked off balkan troubles to pull austria in and thats when russia began attacking. its also why russia invaded turkey and used the armenians to cause the war. it was the same play book in both times. russia uses glowies to start trouble and then gets them all killed, then moves in with their army. why did all those australians die in gallipoli? because russia wanted to take control of the straits because they started ww1. all those australians died for nothing.

>>514054476 (OP)
>Do you guys blame WW1 also on jews or it was retarded inner-politics tension in europe and that theses retards do a really bad job.
WWI was fomented by a group called The Milner Group in 1890
Cecil Rhodes (19th century Elon Musk)
W.T. Stead (19th century Rupert Murdoch)
Lord Escher (19th century MIC rep)
Rothschild Banking Family (19th century Rothschild Banking Family same as 20th century Rothschild Banking Family)
More and worse...
Arranged like the Jesuits, they formed an inner circle and an outer circle of helpers - the outer circle had no idea that the inner circle even existed
The goal was to remove then-new Germany as a military and economic rival and also to bring the US back under the umbrella of the Anglosphere.
Ever wondered why the British hated the Americans from 1789 through the late 19th century, then flipped 180 degrees "for no reason"?
This is why.
Timestamp 6:00 = worth the watch
https://youtu.be/W6m4U0DmMjA?t=357

>>514054562
>>514054588
>>514054621
I urge you to watch this... >>514059555

>>514059514
Everyone had their goals, but Austria chimping out on Serbia is what caused the war when Russia threatened Austria that if they invade Serbia, they'd attack. And Austria felt confident in chimping out because they got a carte blanche 'we'll back you whatever happens' by Germany in the same vein Poland got that shit from the British. All it did is drag everyone into a pointless, stupid war that was entirely preventable.

>>514059514
Poles have nothing to contribute to historical discussion, you're always emotional, like women, and even more retarded. Just gtfo
>>514059555
Milner Group was certainly instrumental, and it wasn't just WW1 they planned, but also what happened after - but freemasonry, and most importantly the memphis-misraim Rite was just as important especially given the zionist objectives

>>514058219
>hey were so close to, maybe not winning, but at least getting their own version of a peace with honor.
Maybe in 1914, but definitely not in 1918. The Central Powers were completely crumbling and the US entering the war meant Germany was fucked. People were angry because Hitler took this myth and made it his national idea to make it seem like Germany didn't lose fair and square.

>>514054476 (OP)
It all started with the French Revolution.

https://odysee.com/@ashalogos:92/the-french-revolution-blood-in-the:3

>>514054476 (OP)
jews

>>514054476 (OP)
>blame WW1 also on jews
lolol only on /pol are all things an episode of Scooby Doo. Reeeee it was the joooos reeeeeeeee it was the jews reeeeeeeeee let's pull the mask off ohhhhhhh it's muh joooos

>>514060092
>People were angry because Hitler took this myth and made it his national idea to make it seem like Germany didn't lose fair and square.
The 'myth' is indeed real though. Hitler didn't say Germany could have won the war, he said that they were sabotaged from inside by commie jew revolutionaries.

>>514054476 (OP)
I don't. All I know is that the Jews are the master race of the western world and they always win. Zelensky has already won luxury retirement in London and Miami and enough wealth for his children and grandchildren to don't be wage slaves.

>>514060200
Started by Cagliostro and Egyptian Freemasonry, as the Mizraite rite was then called, but same judaized faggots as the Black Hand as well as the NSDAP (Thule)

>>514060092
The idea in 1918 was one big last offensive to put them in a position to negotiate terms to return to the status quo. French army was on the verge of mutiny, and by that point the hope of American involvement was the only thing keeping the Entente together. Communist takeover of Russia was a severe blow to their morale.

>>514060068
Agreed.
Every evil thing that befell our people - White Europeans - for the entirety of the 20th century can be laid at their feet.
>Fomented WWI
>1st and 2nd Boer Wars as trial runs
>secret alliance with France
>WWI
>WWI begats the end of Tzarist Russia
>Death of the Romanovs
>Rise of Bolshevism
>Treaty of Versailles guarantees WWI = Part II
>WWI Part II devastates Europe
>Cold War
>Horror of nuclear annihilation
>Global Communism
>Rise of the Police State and military/industrial complex
>Trillions siphoned off of the West and into the pockets of the banksters
>millions dead
>The entire West teeters on the brink thanks to massive invasion because of Forever Wars
>global bioweapons deployed
All of this... every bit of it
Laid at their feet

>>514060534
The worst thing is perhaps that most of those struggles and wars were fake and gay jewish theatre themselves - like nazism vs communism, or the West vs the USSR, or the West vs islam - all jews playing both sides and the peoples on them like a fiddle
I wish the concepts of controlled opposition and dialectical control were taught as the central movers of modern history they have been, as history doesn't make the slightest sense without them and to this day they control the hearts and minds of people and NPCs alike

>>514061070
I agree.
I am genuinely kind of tired - the tired sleep doesn't fix - of everything being fake and gay.
People are not taught how to think - just what to think.
Tehran Conference? Chiang Kai-Shek was there, though you will find it in no history book.
We know he was because his pilot said so - Colonel Fletcher Prouty flew him there, personally.
Same guy asked the harbormaster in Okinawa after Japan surrendered where all the stuff was going to be sent - enough stuff for 1/2 million men to invade Japan (that never happened), the harbormaster said
>"Oh, they never want to see this stuff again. Half of it is going to Korea and the other half is going to someplace called... Vietnam"
In 1945, the Korean War and the Vietnam War were already in the planning stages.
So much of what is fobbed off as history is just bunk. Sanitized bullshit for mass consumption.

>>514056780
That is a meme, their racial policies were way more relaxed than you make it to be.

>>514061070
>>514061390
Mind=Blown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE_5Y9IKCk0

>>514060519
The French were doing poorly, but Germany wasn't in a great shape either. Austria was on the verge of collapse and Ottoman Empire practically ceased to exist. The US entering the war was the last nail in Germany's coffin. Not only was America ready for a war, it was also better equipped than Germany. And Britain could practically blockade Germany from most foreign trade.

>>514061612
My fren, you do not know what you do not know...
Here.
Col. Fletcher Prouty wrote a book called The Secret Team. He said it was "the most popular, best selling book nobody ever read" because the fuckin CIA went around buying up all the copies that were printed to keep people from reading it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMF3Z3Pv0bc
The man is a national treasure.
Pay special attention to the U2 spy plane thing, Gary Powers, how that tied in with Eisenhower and his peace talks with the Soviets, the bay of pigs disaster and Kennedy's assassination...
George Bush - yes that George Bush - was photographed at the book repository in Dallas the day Kennedy was shot, before he was shot.
You do not know... what you do not know.

>>514061390
If you are asking this question you obviously know nothing about history.

>>514060068
>Poles have nothing to contribute to historical discussion, you're always emotional, like women, and even more retarded. Just gtfo
says the actual sandnigger migrant that actively denies facts, next youre goign to tell me gallipoli never happened.
>>514059780
not really at all, russia had already prepared invasion plans to attack galicia and the straits. the entire point of ww1 was to stop russia from taking this territory as they attacked it.

>>514062438
Asking what question?
Everything in that post is a declarative statement.
There are no questions.

>>514054476 (OP)
The people in this thread saying it is Germany's fault hur durr no it's the Russians fault hurr durr learn some history faggots. The person who shot Archduke Ferdinand was Gavrilo Princip a Serbian who belonged to the terrorist group known as the Black Hand. Do some research into who the leadership figures of the Black Hand are and well you have your answer. I'm sure you won't be surprised who the suspects are that both caused the war with the assassination and financed the war as well. Look who took control in both Germany and Russia after the war was over as well and once again you have your answer.

>>514063539
this.
The anarchists in Europe in the mid-19th century gave us modern terrorism, and their ilk are still with us today, a direct line of ideological progression.

>>514061390
>Tehran Conference? Chiang Kai-Shek was there,
Interdasting, did not know about that
> Prouty wrote a book called The Secret Team
He does still buy into the West vs USSR mythology though doesn't he?
>>514063539
It really is that simple, the problem is our historical narratives are tailor made for midwits, and midwits tend to latch on to the first plausible explanation they're offered. So they'll instinctively revert to muh web of alliances, muh Kaiser, muh Czar, muh imperialism, muh nationalism, muh naval arms race and so on, because these 'factual conglomerates' have been offered to them first, and can be believed in different proportions to simulate actual discord and dissent

>>514063799
>The anarchists in Europe
They were just another tentacle of the same octopus, i.e. mizraite freemasonry

>>514054621
This.
Russia funded, trained and armed the black hand.
Russia backed Serbia and encouraged it to decline the Austrian ultimatum.
Russia mobilized for war on Austria following the Austrian declaration against Serbia.
And it was through their alliance to Russia that France and Britain were unwittingly dragged into a war against Germany ostensibly for the sake of Russia's war on Austria.

WW1 was a russian proxy war against Austria that went hot when their proxy overstepped its boundaries. Russia chose to enter the war on the side of its proxy believing it could improves its odds of victory by dragging its treaty-allies into a wider war.

>>514063539
Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy, anon. WW I was solely Germany fucking up Europe.

>>514064549
>WW I was solely Germany fucking up Europe.

That's a very dumbed down and childish view of history because it is never that simple. Germany didn't just wake up one day and say to itself "you know what, I'm going to fuck up Europe today just because".

>>514063539
Empress Sissi was assassinated in 1898 by an Italian anarchist, so why didn't that cause a world war?

>>514064549
So fucking annoying how petty slavic butthurt ruins every history thread
>Not everything is a Jewish conspiracy, anon
In modern history, pretty much everything is. Who bankrolled Bismarck and instigated the franco-prussian war in the first place?

>>514064822
>it's the juice
Weird how it's always a stein or a berg and never a cohen or aaron

>>514064797
No, its not like Germany was just evil. It was a political decision based on Germany's growing economic and military strength and their subsequent desire to review the balance of power in Europe, because they felt confident enough to pull it off and finish in several months. They were also late to the colonization party, which is why they felt an even bigger urge to establish dominance in Europe. This is nothing out of the ordinary, but putting the blame on some conspirators behind the curtains is blatantly ignorant.

>>514064822
>It wasn't Bismarck, it were the people who lent him money.
The smartest naziboo.

>>514064797
>Germany didn't just wake up one day and say to itself "you know what, I'm going to fuck up Europe today just because"

>>514054476 (OP)
Valid question followed by 150 chuds who have never read a fucking book in their lives.

>>514064492
WWI was the first time a country tried to destroy all the others.

>>514064822
>ruins every history thread

You do not want to engage in a history thread. You just want to shitpost about Jews being behind everything and then proceed to accuse everyone who disagrees of being Jewish themselves. This is childish and detrimental to any serious discussion. I may as well scream that jeets started WW I and then call you a streetshitter when you dare disagreeing with that. Grow up.

jews and serbs

>>514064808
For one, because it had no dynastic implications and didn't follow years of imperial wars in the assassin's homeland
Masonic conspiracies often have rehearsals and preliminaries (e.g. 9/11 and 1993, or swine flu and covid) and Sisi along with Rudolf's fake and gay suicide was part of that pattern
>>514065153
Yes, actual power is with whoever funds sovereigns. The last Czar understood this well which is why alone among all major powers, he resisted Rothschild control

>>514064492
Some wider context:
For the entire century prior to WW1, Austria and Russia had been at loggerheads over "The Ottoman Question"
The Ottoman Empire was crumbling and the Great Powers of Europe had different ideas of what to do about it. Austria favoured propping the Ottomans up to avoid a catastrophic collapse and power vacuum in the region, believing the Ottomans existing would help maintain stability in the region. Britain and France both backed Austria in this.
Russia wanted to deliver the coup de grace, end the Ottoman Empire and claim Thrace and Anatolia for itself. They coveted Istanbul and the Dardanelles as warm water port for its Black Sea Fleet, aspiring to gain unfettered military access to the Mediterranean and build up a navy that could challenge the british for control there.

Russia had attempted to force the issue before, which had led to the Crimean War and their utter humiliation. Thus they shifted tactics instead, aiming to foment unrest in the Balkans, install pro-russian puppet governments and use them as proxies to attack and secure Istanbul. Since the Balkan states had legitimate grievances with the Ottomans, it would give Russia plausible deniability. Then, once Istanbul had fallen, they would simply annex their puppets and the conquest would be fait accompli. They directly promoted both Balkan Wars to this end, which backfired spectacularly.

Since the Austro-Hungarian Empire was the main obstacle to Russia's proxies having a free hand in the Balkans, Russia directed its proxies against them, which led to the formation of the Black Hand (among countless other Russia-aligned Serbian nationalist groups) and the eventual assassination that sparked the World War.

This isn't a dig against Russians. Nobody blames the people living in serdom for the actions of their despot, but it's an indisputable fact that the actions of that despot and his regime directly led to the outbreak of the Great War.

>>514065365
We read papers here, sir

>>514065536
No, actual power belong to those who command armies.

>>514054476 (OP)
>Do you guys blame WW1 also on jews
yes

>>514054621
It was your Kaiser whom refused to renew the treaty with Russia...

>>514065444
>You do not want to engage in a history thread.
Of course I do, I'm a historian by trade. Unlike you or that other slavnigger, I have produced actual arguments, supported by facts and sources
Also I never accused you of being a jew. Just a slav, because of your flag and boorish takes. So are you russian or jewish?

>>514065680
Something Bismarck had repeatedly warned him against doing btw.

>>514065626
Ok, retard

>>514065719
>So are you russian or jewish?
Jewish Hebrew Yid. There, you uncovered another Jewish conspiracy against you and your precious Germany that never did nuffin. Can you fuck off now?

>>514065763
sorry that facts hurt your feefees

>>514065895
>your precious Germany
Lmao, you see this is why you slavs are less than useless in these discussion. I don't care all that much about Germany, but you assume I do because I disagree with your anti-German takes. You are emotional like meds, and ignorant like mutts. Learn to stfu when your betters speak

>>514066268
Ok, retard