Thread 514908496

>Christianity
>33 AD

>Judaism
>70 AD

>Islam
>610 AD

>>514908496 (OP)
>Platoism
>375 BC

>>514908496 (OP)
>Judaism
>70 AD
Explain to me how the splinter group is founded before the original recipe.

>>514908496 (OP)
So what religion did the writers of the dead sea scroll practice?

>>514909302
>Buddhism 400 BC

>>514908496 (OP)
>Christianity before Judaism

>>514909435
>>514909585
Pre-Christian Abrahamism is not Judaism.

>>514909435
Rabbinical Judaism is actually an offshoot of Babylonian Court Religion, Jesus was not a "Jew" like how the kikes say, he was merely a self-taught guru in the highly tribalistic sandnigger society that existed there.

>>514908496 (OP)
>>514909435
Should be 500 AD for the Talmud users

>>514909585
>memeflag still hasn't noticed the invasive species it belongs to
Man, wait til you find out about the ashkenazi.

>>514909436
They worshipped God(s) and the Mystery like any other religious man did at that time.

>>514908496 (OP)
>Deez
>2025 AD

>>514909657
>>514909760
holy cope

>>514909435
Rabbinic Judaism

>>514910034
Jew detected.

>>514910034
So what country are from?

>>514910034
It's called Second Temple Period Judaism, and its where the two religions split. Partially because there wasn't a Hebrew scriptural canon before then.

>>514909436
>So what religion did the writers of the dead sea scroll practice?
It doesn't currently have a name.
What was the religion of the Egyptians called?
There isn't one.
We give names to religions usually hundreds or even thousands of years later, but we don't always do.
>inb4 kemetism
That is the name of the modern neopagan larp revival of the original nameless Egyptian religion. It is not used to describe ancient Egyptian polytheism, ever.

>>514909657
>Pre-Christian Abrahamism

>>514910088
Every Christian is a jew

>>514908496 (OP)
Judaism is 600 ad with the completion of the Talmud.

>>514908496 (OP)
>WE WUZ DAH REL HEBREWS N SHIEEET

>>514909435
Jew religion starts with Pharisees, but the Talmud makes the religion and is an answer to Jesus. It is pure Antichrist writings.

Judaism:
>version 1.0 - original insane psycho god
Christianity:
>version 2.0 - patch includes forgiveness and various other QoL improvements
Islam:
>version 3.0 - patch added socialism

>>514909585
Retard. You have no idea what Judaism really is. Know your enemy.

>>514910740
Maybe every Anglo Christian or Catholic. Are Orthodox and continental Calvinists and Lutherans kiked yet?

>>514909871
No, they were strictly monotheistic. You haven't read any of the scrolls, have you?
>>514910540
That isn't an argument, they label then, is inconsequential. The label is simply a way to categorize the beliefs. Their beliefs were in line with most other jews. Their beliefs were jewish.
If you want to argue for sectarianism or denominational differences, that is another discussion.
But saying that they weren't jewish, would be like saying that Ra worship is not egyptian.

>>514909302
Platonism was influenced by pythagorean spiritual beliefs, which were influenced by babylonian beliefs who were semitic.

>>514908496 (OP)
>>514910938
WE WUZ JOOZ AND SHEET

>>514911016
The scriptures from the ancient near east reference multiple gods. They might have worshipped a single god, but their headspace was in a world filled with identifying other people's beliefs by saying "their gods" also every religious man worshipped the Mystery or however you'd like to call it. The ineffable essence originating from God or the Divine or the Heavens

>>514909585
>>514910693
of course the retarded hindoo demons say Jesus didn't exist before Judaism

>>514910034

They are right though.

The Jewish holy book was written after the New Testament. It even talks about Jesus and says hes the bastard son of Pantera and he’s eating shit in hell or something.

>>514911330
The torah is older than the old testament. The Talmud is just a bunch of rabbies talking about how to interpret the torah to get most shekels.

>>514908496 (OP)
All these youtube Christian Identity faggots think they can rationalize their way out of their Jewish roots.

>>514911212
Saying "their gods" does not imply recognizing divinity. Just a similitude in worship.
It's a much more complicated topic to discuss the intricacies of the language used. But their overall beliefs were jewish. That is an undeniable fact.

>>514911681

Yeah of course but that is the secondary book to both Christians and Jews. Primary for Jews is the Talmud, Primary for Christians is the NT. The OT is like the base both religions are built on. And I guess Islam is built too to some extent, they call the Torah the Tawrat but I don’t think Muslims actually read it.

>>514911269
>Hindu
why do you expect random /pol to be religious?

>>514911330
The Talmud is a collection of debates and opinions about law. It also contains parables and some myth-like stories, but it's most central focus is law.
>jesus eating shit
This taken out of context. It's part of a schizo story and the kne who says this is not a jew, but some sort of necromancer.
Now, I agree that the Talmud is a perversion of the original message. But like with every other religious texts, there are both good and bad things in it.

The Talmud is attributed to rabbis of the 2nd century, but it was written much later, it claims to be the register of the "oral law" which was passed to Moses along with the written torah.
Overall, however, it seems to be a jumbled mess of many ideas.

>>514911862
>The Holy Trinity didn't exist before Judaism
another jewjeet detected

>>514912371
>Primary for Jews is the Talmud,
This is extremely retarded lmfao
The Talmud does not hold the same status as the torah. The Talmud is not acknowledged by all jews, only by orthodox, the rest reject it's authority and holiness. And even for the Orthodox, the Talmud is not in the same category as the Torah, which is the most holy book in all lf Judaism.
This is a simple google search away, it is readily available for anyone to see.

>>514911194
I look like this and say this. I am an Isrealite, I am not a Jew.

>>514912438
jews and jeets constantly say Judaism came before Jesus.
Irreligious jews and jeets still have the same spirit.

>>514912690
Based.
Israselites (Whites) and Jesus both existed before Judaism.
The Holy Trinity is eternal.
Christ is King.

>>514909525
>Siberian Shamanism
>12000+ BC

>>514911016
>That isn't an argument
It's just stating a fact
>they label then, is inconsequential
huh? No it isn't. Hinduism is a label invented 150 years ago but it's not inconsequential. We absolutely should create a label for Israelite beliefs so they are distinguished from jews.
>Their beliefs were in line with most other jews. Their beliefs were jewish.
HAHAHA no. jews stole the beliefs from the Israelites and bastardized them beyond recognition.
Israelites never sucked the blood out of a circumcised penis. Israelites would probably kill anyone who did that.
It's some demonic nonsense kikes made up and there's a million other examples.

>But saying that they weren't jewish, would be like saying that Ra worship is not egyptian.
False analogy. You're comparing a class label with an action that is associated with the class. Huge difference. Let's see this in action:
>But saying that [Egyptians] weren't [BLACK KANGS], would be like saying that Ra worship is not egyptian.
It's obvious your analogy falls apart when it's filled in properly
Larping blacks acting like Egyptians can worship Ra and that is in fact Egyptian, but that does not make Egyptians black

Your analogy fails because your question-begging premise that Israelites = jews

They weren't

>>514912576

> This is a simple google search away, it is readily available for anyone to see.

Uhh are you sure about that?

>>514913365
>Larping blacks acting like Egyptians can worship Ra and that is in fact Egyptian, but that does not make Egyptians black
This is a terrible fucking example, because judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity. Egyptian, in the context you are using is alluding to the same character. When, in my analogy, it was very early only referring to the religious practices, which is the main theme lf the thread, and which you admitted to be egyptian in nature. So I accept your concession.

Secondly, they called themselves the "Essenes" and argued with other jewish denominations about their interpretations of the Lords word. That is actually the content of most of the scrolls, communication with other jews about ritualistic interpretations.

You are gonna go on about how "wE wUz ThE rEaL hEbREwS" because you worship race, and have a need to seprate yourself as much as possible from anything jewish.
The dead sea scrolls were written by jews. You can't deny that, it's a fact. They practiced circumcision, worshipped the same God, and debated with other jews. All the experts and the evidence points the to being jewish.
You are just coping. And it's pathetic.
Your allution the Metzitza B'peh is only further prllf kf your idiocy. This is a practice currently performed by about 3000 people in the entire world. You are talking about something done by 0.02% of 0.2% of the global population.

>>514909435
The destruction of the temple and royal priesthood was the end of the Old Testament religion and happened in 70 AD

>>514908496 (OP)
>>514909302
Judaism comes from Platonism

>>514909435
because OP is a christcuck who thinks he's the real jew

>>514914038
Yes. You very post says so.
>the Torah is uniquely revered as the essence of our faith identity - and ele ated above all other texts...
Just because you a retard and unable to understand what the Talmud is, doesn't mean that the rest of us are as dumb as you.

>>514912510
The Torah (your old testament) doesn't mention this trinity at all.

>>514913365
>"Israelites never sucked the blood out of circumcised penis"
Who actually knows what they did, you certainly don't. What you deluded Christians don't seem to understand is that even according to your own holy book, Israelites were called Jews, they are considered Jews even unto themselves. You trying to rationalize that Jews are only the ones after the Talmud is hilariously ignorant.
You're on par with the black Israelite movement

>>514914459
It's funny and a little sad to see anti-christ posters who either purposely pretend to not understand or actually are just low IQ. They're perpetually stuck in a state of being unable to comprehend even when it's explained very basically to them.

>>514914459
God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit are absolutely in the OT

>>514914688
considering the fact that you are unable to use proper English, it's rather ironic that you speak about "clear explanations" and "comprehension"
I would not normally point this out, as I am obviously ESL and still make mistakes. But making mistakes in your native language as you criticize someone else's intelligence is particularly ironic.

>>514914459
>even according to your own holy book, Israelites were called Jews
Wrong
Judean does not mean "jew" that is the biggest bait and switch in human history
Don't pretend I'm as dumb as you are next time

>>514914901
Suck my dick grammar faggot, how's that for intelligence?

>>514914985
>how's that for intelligence?
very low, nonexistent, even.

>>514915164
That means a lot coming from you, thanks.

>>514914980
tell me, what is the word for jew in hebrew?

>>514914688
Israelites (Jews, as named by Rome and themselves at the time) ceased to exist during Bar Kokhba revolt (very European sounding name btw). You have absolutely zero ties to them.
>>514914863
Ah yes Jesus the Son was mentioned long before he ever came to be.

You idiots don't even read or understand your own bible. Let alone history. Please go back to the schizo youtuber comment section you're all getting bred from.

>>514909435
Apparently destroying a building transformed they from Nordic Judeans into brown Jews. The religion is like 5% different to compensated for the destruction of the temple, so that makes them completely different.

>>514914155
>judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity.
ESL jeet speak
Judaism is the religion
Jew is the race or "ethnicity"
Don't give me a semantics argument if you can't even speak English, Jamal
>because judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity
100% irrelevant. BLACK KANGS could be a race and religion too and my analogy would still apply just fine
>When, in my analogy, it was very early only referring to the religious practices
Which I'm saying are Israelite practices. You have hurt yourself in your confusion haha
>which is the main theme lf the thread, and which you admitted to be egyptian in nature
And I admitted the practices are Israelite in nature and jews stole them
Again you're just twisting our own mental gymnastics into a confused circled
I'm entirely consistent and my analogy was perfect, you're just a confused desperate retard
>The dead sea scrolls were written by jews
Nope. They were written by Israelites, not jews
>They practiced circumcision, worshipped the same God,
Jews stole those practices from the Israelites
>and debated with other jews.
Nope
>the experts and the evidence points the to being jewish.
Both false and also an appeal to authority fallacy
>Your allution the Metzitza B'peh is only further prllf kf your idiocy. This is a practice currently performed by about 3000 people in the entire world. You are talking about something done by 0.02% of 0.2% of the global population.
HAHA!!!
Now you're being a kike apologist

That's it then, you're a jew that defends your fellow jews

>>514915338
It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring

tl;dr Christians are "Israelites" in the sense that they are the ones who have the covenant. We are the Jacob to the Jewish Esau.

>>514915338
Jesus is in the OT, dummy. He goes by the name Jehovah/Yahweh.
When jews and jeets think of Yahweh it's not Jesus it's some meme lower case god.

>>514914980
Jew comes from the tribe of Judah. But has obviously been used interchangeably with Hebrews and Israelites for thousands of years.

You cucks are the only ones trying to split hairs to justify yourselves worshipping sand niggers with ideas of a single god stolen Akhenaten.

>>514915319
>tell me, what is the word for jew in hebrew?
There isn't one
This is gonna blow your mind:
Naturally, by extension, there isn't a word for gentile in Hebrew either because they are counterparts invented long after Jesus

What is the word for gentile in Hebrew?


Dis gon be gud....

>>514914335
You're the retard. The Torah is the foundation of the faith. But Talmudic Jews rely on the Talmud to interpret how the Torah should be understood and followed. Say I'm a ship captain. I give orders to my first mate from my cabin, and never leave. The first mate then relays the orders to the crew, and can interpret and twist them however he wants- I will never know or interfere, I just source the orders.

Who is the one really in charge of the ship? Me, the captain? Or my wily first mate?

If you can't understand that the first mate holds the real power despite being nominally under my command, then you don't understand Talmudic Judaism. All Jews may follow the Torah, but Talmudic Jews are following the Talmud as a guide on how to follow the Torah. They are relying on the arguments these rabbis had for hundreds of years to inform their culture and faith, because why bother interpreting yourself when smarter people have already argued it out? As a result, the Talmud is actually more important to them than the Torah itself. The Torah can say anything, but if the Talmudic interpretation differs, what are they following.

Pure Torah Jews are the only ones who are following the original faith- the book itself, not a collection of Rabbinic ramblings on it. And because Judaism is treated like an ethnicity, large numbers of Jews don't follow any book at all, they're atheists or even shit like Buddhists, but still claim to be Jewish because their mommy was.

The question is, are these people ethnically or religiously the same Jews of the Bible? Well, the Ashkenazim and Sephardim have a significant genetic relation, but the Mizrahim of the levant are probably the closest, since they didn't mix with Euros. Palestinian Arabs are genetically closer to the real Jews than the Ashkenazim and Sephardim.

Continued...

>>514909436
The same monotheism as Alexander the great and Aristotle, the learning of the righteous teacher
Hebrews became Hellenistic jews ( hellene=heathen) then became Christian.
The dead sea scrolls refers to what people call Jews today as the lot of Belial.

>>514909435
Khazar turks have ZERO relationship to Biblical Jews

>>514908496 (OP)
>Catholicism
>313AD

>>514908496 (OP)
op loosing his virginity

possibly after
2025 AD

>>514908496 (OP)
Out of all 3, Islam is best and most complete. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.

>>514915702
You and the Jews can decide who's daddy's favorite, you're both just Jews to me.
>>514915774
Yahweh, Jehova is the God figure. Actually a middle eastern thunder god who was converted into your one and only. If Jesus was God (yahweh/jehova) why change his name to Jesus? Why call himself the son of god rather than just being God?

>>514915864
Continued...
As for faith? Most of them no. The vast majority of Jews put stock in the Talmud (or Midrash) in some way, meaning they aren't following the original faith, they are following an inter-generational game of telephone where personal biases and interpretations have shaped discourse and culture into something completely different. Even the Reform Jews consider the Talmud important for interpreting Torah, they just don't consider it sacred or infallible. Only small groups like the Karaites are Torah only and reject the Talmud.

So if you say "Jesus was a Jew" and mean Judeans of the time that followed Torah, then yeah. If you mean to group him with any present group that calls themselves Jews, then no. He's genetically related to Mizrahi Jews and Arab Palestinians moreso than the most common branches of "Judaism".

Faith wise though, there is no comparison. Modern Judaism was created by the descendants of his enemies. It would be like calling Muslims Jews because their religion originates from the same source and because many of them are Semitic.

>>514908496 (OP)
I wish I could go back in time and break a broom handle off in Abraham's ass for causing such dogshit religions.

>>514908496 (OP)
all fake and gay

the problem with Christianity is that no matter what the conversation kikes will become involved

if this is the case then whatever is good in Christianity will be subverted, there is NO COVENENT, JESUS ABSOLISHED THE IDEA OF A COVENENT

kikes are evil, reject kikery, embrace love, kikes are the antithesis of order and love

>>514915788
>Jew comes from the tribe of Judah
No, that's an anachronistic made up lie
Paul is from the tribe of Benjamin, not Judah, but says he's Ioudaioi which is falsely translated as "jew"
So we have proof "jew" does not come from Judah.
The only way to make your retcon work is by coping "oh well all the Israelites started calling each other Ioudaioi because they randomly stopped caring what tribe they were from or something something!!"
>But has obviously been used interchangeably with Hebrews and Israelites for thousands of years
Appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because it was falsely interchanged for a long time does not mean it's correct
Satan is the father of lies. He had no problem making up that bait and switch. It was literally 1000x easier than making up the holocaust.

>>514916261
>Jesus is middle eastern
Ok faggot. Jesus existed before middle eastern was even a term. He is God.
>why call himself the Son of God
Because He is. He's part of the Holy Trinity.
God, Son of God, Lord God, Jehovah, Yahweh, The Anointed One, Lamb of God, Christ, Jesus, etc. All the same being.

>>514916261
You're just a pagan to me, so I get that. Hopefully you can change your mind and realize the truth down the road.
>>514916244
Islam is great if you don't believe in God. It appeals to the warrior spirit of men and offers plenty of rewards for following it. Approves of multiple wives and keeping them under control. They're supposed to wait on your hand and foot while you hang out with the boys. I totally understand the appeal.

>>514916344
Second.
NOTHING GOOD comes out of the desert.

>>514915864
>>514916312
Nobody gives a shit about your pilpulling word play. Or about your childish sibling (sect) squabbles.

All monothiests are Jews. All Jew should be eradicated. Simple as

>>514914335

> Yes. You very post says so.

No. No it absolutely does not.

>>514915660
>Now you're being a kike apologist
how is that apologist?
>>514915660
>ESL jeet speak
>Judaism is the religion
>Jew is the race or "ethnicity"
>Don't give me a semantics argument if you can't even speak English, Jamal
tell me, what is the singular form of a practitioner of the Jewish religion?
>Again you're just twisting our own mental gymnastics
freudian slip, lmao
>Both false and also an appeal to authority fallacy
>offered no proof
>Both false and also an appeal to authority fallacy
>>514915795
>What is the word for gentile in Hebrew?
the word "goy" is literally used in the dead sea scrolls.
>>514915864
anon, you are explaining my point. you are a fucking retard if you weren't able to understand this. the point was that the Talmud does not hold the same religious status as the Torah, you are arguing about practicality, what influences practice. But the very fact that the Talmud is an interpretation of the Torah is proof of the latter being the most holy book.
>>514916312
finally, this is provably false.
Only Orthodox jews follow the Talmud as binding. Which are only about 15% of the observant jewish population.
Conservative jews follow it partially, and they are only 18% of the religious population.
Reform jews don't follow it as law at all, they study it as a collection of historical records.
And the seculars don't follow it, obviously.
Most of the religious jewish population in the world do not recognize the Talmud as holy authority.

>Jews didn't exist, but also jews killed Rabbi Yeshua!!!
Ah yes. My favorite christkike cope headcanon: Jewish time-travelers from Babylonia.

>>514916596
Have you read a quaran? Sperm is produced in the backbone and a cat breathing on haram food makes it halal it's a strange book.

>>514916637
>>514916344
>atheists/jeet mythology worshippers detected
Every time.

>>514916698
>No. No it absolutely does not.
>you can go and just follow your own literally understanding of the Five Books of Moses
don't you get tired of being wrong? Do I have to spell out this implication for you as well?

>>514909657
Enjoy hell, liar.

>>514916859
Gehhana or sheul? Both very different places .

>>514916596
Sufism is a bit different than the Islam most people here know. It's about becoming one with Allah through esoteric practices. Jesus is considered an alchemist in Sufism, an example of Al-Insan Al-Kamil. A man who used alchemy to become one with God and gain abilities related to that consciousness.
A lot of western alchemical societies were influenced by the Moors. Christian Rosenkreuz traveled through Moorish Spain learning the "occult", and the Moors influenced Europe heavily by translating Greek and Roman texts while also adding their own alchemical teachings, many of which came from ancient, pre-Islamic Mesopotamia. Methods from many religions can be incorporated into this as Sufism teaches all religions come from a single core of realizing oneness with Allah.

>>514916800
A bit, but I haven't gone deeply into it. That's wild stuff. Still, I could pretend to believe in that to justify the multiple wives while giving myself ideological protection from the state and leftists. It's just muh culture and we're multicultural, right? But I believe in God and I'm bound to the truth, so Christ it is.

>>514916672
Hitler used God with a capital G.
Stay mad , jeet worshipper. Ironic you're being replaced by jeets too, lol.

>>514909585
judaism is fake

>>514910938
>Judaism:
>>version 1.0 - original insane psycho god
prove it

>>514916852

Yeah I think this may actually be an ESL misunderstanding on your part. Your English is pretty poor.

>you can go and just follow your own literally understanding of the Five Books of Moses

They are saying do not do this.

>You can go jump off a bridge if you want to but it’s a long drop down.

In other words. Not a good idea. Don’t do it.

They are saying you should follow the Talmud not the Torah.

>>514916924
>hebrew or hebrew
Nigger please

>>514916726
>>Now you're being a kike apologist
>how is that apologist?
You are defending your fellow jews saying your despicable kike practices are SO HECKIN RARE

>>ESL jeet speak
>Judaism is the religion
>Jew is the race or "ethnicity"
>Don't give me a semantics argument if you can't even speak English, Jamal
tell me, what is the singular form of a practitioner of the Jewish religion?
>Again you're just twisting our own mental gymnastics
freudian slip, lmao
>Both false and also an appeal to authority fallacy
>offered no proof
>Both false and also an appeal to authority fallacy
No argument detected, just cope and a dumb irrelevant rhetorical question


>>514916726
>>What is the word for gentile in Hebrew?
>the word "goy
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!
He fell for it.
"Goy" is used to label Israelites, it fundamentally cannot mean "gentile" according to your argument.
Genesis 12:2 says God will make the Israelites a great goy.
Thus, there can be no word for "jew" in ancient Hebrew since there is no word for "gentiles"

Concession accepted, dumb jew

>>514917095
OMFG did you eat that fruit I said NOT to!?!? The one that gives actual knowledge??? You are kicked out of paradise, life will be hell, and if you don't LOVE ME UNCONDITIONALLY YOU WILL BURN FOR ETERNITY REEEEEE

Yes, that one.

>>514908496 (OP)
>Scientology
>75,000,000,000,000 BC

>>514917180
>In other words. Not a good idea. Don’t do it.
>They are saying you should follow the Talmud not the Torah.
nope. The implication is that one can still follow the authority of the Torah alone, this would not be possible if it weren't above in the hierarchy.
You are still arguing from a practicality point of view, which is utterly retarded when speaking about abstract concepts.
If the Torah wasn't a superior authority, you wouldn't be physically able to jump off the bridge. They are, instead, advising in favor of a set of interpretations, which are not divinely inspired, which I already explained, are not followed by the majority of jews.
Hope that helps your loose understanding.

>>514910034
>using RabbiGPT

>>514917180

> They are saying you should follow the Talmud not the Torah.

I should clarify because that’s not exactly accurate. Don’t follow JUST the Torah on your own. You need the Talmud to interpret the Torah correctly.

>>514916947
> I could pretend to believe
In a prophet who is ridden by men in the desert until he can hardly walk and his clothes are covered in so much semen his child wife makes a point about mentioning it...
I bet you could faggot

>>514917263
It's a metaphor for descent into the material world and the attainment of a dualistic consciousness. The knowledge of good and evil, self and other, God and individual ego, etc.
>Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Get it?

>>514917245
>Genesis 12:2
If you're going to lie so obviously don't try to back it up with the actual verse that's easy to look up you retard.

"And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing"

>>514915532
>Apparently destroying a building transformed they from Nordic Judeans into brown Jews.
No, Hadrian killing 90% of the population of Judea and creating a diaspora for 2000 years did that.

>>514909585
you are so dumb and blinded

>>514909435
Because otherwise it would cripple their jew worshiping jew hating world view

>>514908496 (OP)
>independent fundamental baptists
>32 AD

>>514916947
It batshit retarded.
>>514917565
Oft not holding back I see you went straight for big Mo desert mandingo gangbang.strong opener my dude.

>>514917245
Genesis 12:2 translates nation from the heebrew לְג֣וֹי which has several meanings which differ based on context.

>>514908496 (OP)
all three of them are judaism for me

>>514915532
Hey dickhead have you ever wondered why mooslims dye their beards red? it is because the Quaran makes it very clear that Mohammed is a ginger describing his freckles ,red hair and sun burn.
here is a picture of his direct descendant dont be too shocked.

>>514917645
Not in this instance no, plenty of metaphors and metaphysical aspects in the bible stolen from pagan stories. But you don't get to use metaphors as a shield against criticism.

Yahweh is a jealous vengeful psychotic maniac all over the bible.

>>514908496 (OP)
Fuck off
>>514909435
Because, um, actually Christianity is the real continuation of YVWHism and Judaism was created later
(This is what these retards actually try to push)

>>514908496 (OP)
>Judaism 70AD
lol

>>514915532
The only difference between Rabbi Yeshua's judaism and modern Judaism is that there's no Sanhedrin.

But christkike browns on here don't know shit about shit, so they make up copes like this all the time to pretend their jew cult isn't jewish and doesn't worship a rabbi. Same energy as someone playing pokemon when they're 18 after everyone else realized it was gay.

>>514918151
View every story as a metaphor. Don't read it literally. Understanding who YHWH is to the Jews requires Kabbalistic understanding as well, YHWH in Kabbalah basically means pure consciousness and pure energy creating and resulting in the material world. That's why in Kabbalah YHWH is written to look like a man, it's saying you're God. I AM WHO I AM. And I don't know about you, but I've been a psychotic maniac in my life a few times.

>>514909435
Explain to me why Judaism is called "Judaism" when it was already referred to as Hebrewism or Israelites for a millennia prior to Jesus and that the tribe of Judah, which Judaism gets it name, is just one of the twelve tribes of Israel within that original religion?

Answer: it's because Judaism was invented in reaction to messianic Hebrewism, Christ, and Christianity

>>514917565
Lmao, I've never heard that. But anyway, I'd only pretend to believe for the parts that appeal to my baser instincts. This was all prefaced on if there was no God. Since there is a God and I am a truth seeker, I believe in Christ. I'm just saying that I understand why Godless people would like Islam. (not because of passages like that, but because of some others that promise good things)

>>514917245
>Thus, there can be no word for "jew" in ancient Hebrew since there is no word for "gentiles"
>>514917681
Goy, strictly speaking, simply means nation.
>>514917933
as this guy said, the term is repeatedly used to mean nations outside of the covenant, and it is also used to mean israelites in other contexts. The notion of gentile still existed, there are several other words used to describe outsiders or foreigners.
>>514917245
>You are defending your fellow jews saying your despicable kike practices are SO HECKIN RARE
it is not logical to condemn a majority for the practices of a minority. It is only proper to condemn the minority.
>No argument detected, just cope and a dumb irrelevant rhetorical question
none of these is an argument either, are you retarded>
>Nope
>Jews stole those practices from the Israelites
>Nope.
>Judaism is the religion
>Jew is the race or "ethnicity"
>Don't give me a semantics argument if you can't even speak English, Jamal
my answer to this was not a rhetorical question, it is simple. the practitioners of judaism are called jews. The Essenes were jews, as understood as the people who followed the jewish religion at the time, which, although not rabbinic, is still jewish. And did debate with other jews, they used the term explicitly.
>>514918588
because judaism is the only surviving form of the religion, the rest were eradicated.
Judaism was not invented in response to Christ, Rabbinic Judaism was.

>>514918588
You are correct modern Jews come from a heretical sect of pharisees who rejected the dual maschiarc arrivals
Messiah Ben Joseph=Alexander the great
Messiah Ben David=Jesus of Nazareth

>>514909435
Judaism is the splinter group.

>>514918941
>because judaism is the only surviving form of the religion
That's dead wrong. Christianity is the direct continuation of that religion.

>the rest were eradicated.
So you agree Judaism was invented post original Israelite/Hebrewism...just not in response to Jesus?

>Judaism was not invented in response to Christ, Rabbinic Judaism was.
And what is the difference between Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism, and Hebrewism?

Sounds like you're pilpuling

>>514919155
>That's dead wrong. Christianity is the direct continuation of that religion.
while I agree, as I am Christian. It is pretty obvious that this conversation is focused on Judaism and Christianity being different after the split. The argument here is not about the validity of Christianity, but about the retarded idea that the Essenes or any of the groups before the split were jewish or not, which they were.
>And what is the difference between Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism, and Hebrewism?
Judaism and "Hebrewism" are the same.
Rabbinic Judaism is the modern form, resulting from the creation and reliance on the authority of the "Oral Law", in response to the destruction of the Second Temple and the messianic figures that appeared at the time. Jesus was not the only person who claimed to be the messiah at that time. He is the only one who fulfilled the prophecies, however.
This is widely recognized, most timelines work in this way, in which Judaism splits into many variants.

>>514918941
>because judaism is the only surviving form of the religion, the rest were eradicated.
Not a chance im a Karaite i can trace my family patrilineally to a masorete from 750ad,
You need to learn about saabbatzvi zvei and jacob Frank they are the creators of the modern jew or as they are more rightly soviet goyim masquerading as jews.

>>514919582
I explicitly made a difference between judaism and rabbinic judaism. Not all jews adhere to rabinnic judaism, but they all adhere to judaism.

>>514917681
>REEE U LIE
>can't explain how I lied
No kike, no. I didn't lie

>>514917933
Not a single meaning is "gentile" and no matter how much you cope it called Israel a "goy" so logically it can't mean "gentile" even if you find some crackpot jew scholar that disagrees

>>514918941
>none of these is an argument either, are you retarded>
>Jews stole those practices from the Israelites
>Judaism is the religion
>Jew is the race or "ethnicity"
Those are 3 arguments you lying coping little jewish rat )^;

>my answer to this was not a rhetorical question, it is simple. the practitioners of judaism are called jews. The Essenes were jews, as understood as the people who followed the jewish religion at the time, which, although not rabbinic, is still jewish. And did debate with other jews, they used the term explicitly
Cope all you want you lying kike. My analogy was valid, I thoroughly rebuffed your falsehoods against it, and all you could do in return was ask a pointless question that was in fact rhetorical becuase it didn't require an answer, it's common language. Thus you could have just stated it as fact and continue with an argument but you didn't because you have no argument.
Simple as
Cry harder

>>Thus, there can be no word for "jew" in ancient Hebrew since there is no word for "gentiles"
>>> 514917681
>Goy, strictly speaking, simply means nation.
Was this cope for me?
"goy" never ever means gentile in the Old Testament
Thus, there is no Hebrew word for gentile because "gentile" and "jew" do not exist in the ancient Hebrew language

Concession accepted, coping little jewish rat )^;

>>514910034
are people seriously just posting screepcaps of garbage that chatgpt spit out as if it's proof of anything?

>>514920061
You should see people saying "Grok, what are the odds of this happening" then going :O! when it says it's really low

>>514911330
Im a Jew who grew up in Israel. I haven't even heard of the Talmud before 4chan. But my entire family(like most Israelis) is pretty secular, we just celebrate holidays and briths/bar mitzvas and only pray when the shabbat starts/ends.

>>514916312
I'm not religious but your explanation makes clear how the politicians who call Jesus a "Jewish rabbai" aren't making sense, so thank you for that.

>>514908496 (OP)
Based 1pbtID Chuds are in disarray

>>514919983
>Not a single meaning is "gentile"
Incorrect.
>it called Israel a "goy"
Which in that one context meant nation. Heebrew was a kike language for goat and child fucking retards. It had 8-10k words, so many words had several meanings. Compare that to Latin which had estimates ranging from 40-90k.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Gentile, heathen, nation, people
Rarely (shortened) goy {go'-ee}; apparently from the same root as gevah (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts -- Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

>>514919983
>Not a single meaning is "gentile" and no matter how much you cope it called Israel a "goy" so logically it can't mean "gentile" even if you find some crackpot jew scholar that disagrees
I can't comment on the various historical usages, but religious Jews absolutely use the word "goy"(at least in Hebrew) to refer to gentiles.

>>514919983
>ancient Hebrew language
What do you mean by that?
Alexandrine greek without vowels like most ancient hebrew scripts
or
Biblical/classical hebrew שְֹפַת כְּנַעַן śəp̄aṯ kənaʿan
Tonge of Cainaan
Very different things that academia conveniently forgets to teach the difference between.

>>514909748
Right!

>>514908496 (OP)
>Catholicism
>1054 AD

>>514919582
tbf, I did get a little overwhelmed with too many replies, other denominations do exist, they are all part of the core.
The argument is that the core is the same, that is what we call "judaism", this is what was practiced by the ancient israelites. And the ancient israelites are, by definition, "jews".
>>514919983
>Those are 3 arguments you lying coping little jewish rat
those are statements, unsupported by any proof. they aren't arguments. you haven't offered any proof about the thesis of the Essenes not being jews. You are making a deliberate difference between the modern understanding of the word "jew" and the historical reality of what is the development of the religion. Why? because you want to make the retarded claim that "wE wUz tHE rEaL iSrAeLitEs".
>Thus you could have just stated it as fact
The Essenes were jews. Descendants of Abraham, just as any of the other denominations. You have absolutely no proof or argument for the contrary. An unsupported ass-pulled claim as "tHeY sTOle IT!!" is utter nonsense without proof.
As you aren't arguing for the validity of a denomination, but for the racial component as the greatest distinguishing factor and source of validity, without any evidence of a significant racial difference.

>>514910034
>European "pagans" didn't literally steal Judaism
What kind of crappy prompt did you give it?

>>514913326
>monke
>55 million BC

>>514913143
Nice art. Italian?

Christcucks really think christianity is the first religion and that the myth of jesus christ wasn't directly lifted from a dozen other religions that came before it.

>>514908496 (OP)
Wrong Christianity 2000 bc you are spewing protestant shit

>>514921408
>Christianity
>before the Big Bang

>>514908496 (OP)
Believe it or not, but there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that specifically calls the Jews or the tribe of Judah God’s chosen people. This misconception comes from the fact that the Jews of today have declared themselves to be Israel and not the house of Judah, as the Scriptures rightfully call them.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220526080336/https://gottmituns.com/what-is-a-jew/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT_RUdBTlp4

>>514920630
>>Not a single meaning is "gentile"
>Incorrect
I'm correct you coping retard. Goy can't mean Israel and also gentile if you think gentile means "non Israelite." That is a direct contradiction.
You will not refute or even address this fact
Try to think before you type

>Which in that one context meant nation
It means that in all contexts. Just becuse goy is used for non Israelite nations does not mean "goy" means non-Israelite and especially not mean "non-jew"
That's like saying "nation" in English means nonwhite

>Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
Strong is not a dictionary (lexicon) so who cares what Strong's concordance says
Use a lexicon if you want to define a word

>>514912371
No it isn't lying or mentally disabled. Every tract in the Talmud defers to the Torah.

>>514921172
>"judaism", this is what was practiced by the ancient israelites
A minority of ancient Israelites the remnants of Judah and Benjamin specifically. Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Manasseh, and Ephraim followed the Euphrates to it's source then went north with their herds and started worshipping the Gods of Abrahams brother Nahor, son of Terah.

>Pagans
>∞

>>514916312
Palestinians are mostly from Jordan anyways so Jesus wouldn’t really be closely related to any of those people either

>>514921499
if they are descendants of the brothers of Abraham, and not Abraham, then they are not Israelites.

>>514920979
>but religious Jews absolutely use the word "goy"(at least in Hebrew) to refer to gentiles
Who cares about jews we are talking about Israelites/Hebrews
Israelites/Hebrews used "goy" to describe themselves hence by undeniable logic "goy" cannot mean "non Israelite" and by (false) extension it cannot mean "non jew" either.
That would be a paradox

>>514921062
>>ancient Hebrew language
>What do you mean by that?
When jews started speaking/making up Hebrew 200 years ago it is known as "modern Hebrew" thus they might have made up a new actual word for jew and gentile, I don't know and don't care. Looking back I could have just left out "ancient" I guess but I thought the distinction was relevant when I wrote it.

>>514921354
See >>514916940
Shariah law is all about battling the lower-self associated with primal urges and the "five senses". Set, Typhon, Pashupati, Pan, Vritra, etc. The reptilian brain. Sufism views the Quran as commanding women to dress modestly, not necessarily with a hijab, but a lot of the women nowadays could use a hijab if you ask me.

>>514921499
I got distracted, sorry. I understand your argument, ignore my last post.
Yes, you are correct. However that doesn't support the racial argument, and that doesn't make them not israelites. It just makes them wrong.

>>514921471
Strongs concordance is the strongest historical lexicon used by most scholars of Biblical history or even ancient linguistics. Retard

>>514909748
>jews before the talmud: cabalistic baby mutilators known for human sacrifice, usury, and their divinely mandated racial supremacist religion
>jews after the talmud: cabalistic baby mutilators known for human sacrifice, usury and their divinely mandated racial supremacist religion
sensing some cope here

>>514921758
Let me clarify. The Hebrew word גוי(goy) is currently used to refer to gentiles(non-Jews). It is not used in any other context that I know of in modern Hebrew.

>>514921866
Stop listening to retarded AI slop, 90-95% of Jews don't follow Rabbinic Judaism.

>>514921471
>That is a direct contradiction.
>You will not refute or even address this fact
Ok let's try this again. Heebrew was a kike language for goat and child fucking retards. It had 8-10k words, so many words had several meanings. Did you catch that? Only 8-10k words because they were braindead kike sandniggers. Take it up with the retarded kikes who wrote your torah because it means non-israelite many times.
Jeremiah 5:15 — “Behold, I am bringing against you a goy from afar, O house of Israel.”
I'm bringing against you an israel? Lol.
Jeremiah 34:17
Israel given over to the goy for judgment.
Israel given over to the israel for judgment? Lol.
Ezekiel 23:30
I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the goy, and because thou art polluted with their idols.
Israel went whoring after israel and was polluted with the idols of israel? Think before you type.
Ezekiel 30:10-11
Thus saith the Lord God; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon. 11 He and his people with him, the terrible of the goy, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.
Is Babylon israel now too? No.
>Just becuse [sic] goy is used for non Israelite nations
Clearly it means non-israelite in many instances.
>Use a lexicon if you want to define a word
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon says one of the meanings is non-hebrew people lol. You tried.

>>514921172
I may have been wrong about you being a jew so I'll stop calling you that
I just thought you were one because you argue like a jew, lie like one, and defend jews too. Easy to mistake you for one huh?

>>Those are 3 arguments you lying coping little jewish rat
>those are statements
>r-r-r-r-rREEEEEE that is ACKSHULLY a claim!!!
Pilpul. They have been supported with evidence that you edited out and thus are arguments.
>unsupported by any proof
>An unsupported ass-pulled claim as "tHeY sTOle IT!!" is utter nonsense without proof.
>you haven't offered any proof about the thesis of the Essenes not being jews
Pilpul. I offered evidence. Screeching PROOF PROOF POOOF is kiked sophistry
The linguistic reality is very strong systematic evidence they were not jews (there's more I haven't even mentioned yet)
You constantly failed and lied like a kike to defend the falsehood that "jew" and "gentile" were words or even concepts in Hebrew back then.

>The Essenes were jews
They weren't. They were Israelites. Israelites were not jews.
>Descendants of Abraham
So are arabs. Are arabs jews? No
>just as any of the other denominations
>As you aren't arguing for the validity of a denomination
??? What do you mean "denomination"? Were edomites a "denomination of jews" because they descended from Abraham?
>but for the racial component as the greatest distinguishing factor and source of validity, without any evidence of a significant racial difference
HAHA!!! There is zero evidence anything alive today that calls itself a "jew" is related to Israelites or the same race as the Israelites

>>514909435
Original Judaism was centered around the Temple. The Priests of the temple took care of the holy of holies or some shit. All significant religious practices were through the temple. They did shit like sacrifices and all that old bronze age shit.

Then, in 66 AD, the Romans sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the 2nd temple. The jews were scattered and a lot went to Babylon. In Babylon, they were struggling because they didn't have the temple and couldn't perform their religious rites.

Then, the elders wrote the Talmud. This is supposed to be the outline of the temple rites preserved and new laws/rules to guide them as a people that lost their priesthood, land, and government.
Groups of jews will be "guided by an elder" which is known as a Rabbi. This guy keeps the knowledge and traditions alive sans temple.

>>514921758
Israelis call me goy,goyia,goyim,goyisha and for some reason capo the irony is my family moved from Haifa to Australia in the 1930 ironic coming from a bunch of eastern european larpers.

>>514922320
>>That is a direct contradiction.
>>You will not refute or even address this fact
Oh look, you didn't mention how it's not a contradiction (it is) just like I said you wouldn't
Concession accepted, kike
>Clearly it means non-israelite in many instances.
No, it doesn't mean that. "Rat" does not mean kike even though I use it to mean a kike like you in many instances.
Try to keep up.
>Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon says one of the meanings is non-hebrew
Nope. That is a blatant lie. It doesn't say that you lying jewish rat, it says it's used to describe them.
Using a word to describe "that group" doesn't mean it means "that group"
I use rat to describe you.
Does that mean "rat" means "jew poster with ID Tk8QonfG"?

If you fail to answer this question it is an admission you are a lying kike

Good luck )^;

>>514909435
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

OT Israelites believed on Jesus for salvation, they just referred to him as the messiah. In modern vernacular they were Christians

>>514922962
>Oh look, you didn't mention how it's not a contradiction
That doesn't matter. That's an arbitrary standard you've established and committed a tautological fallacy in the process. These kike sandniggers you love were so fucking stupid they only came up with around 10k words and somehow they were capable of reconciling this contradiction. That's your problem.
>No, it doesn't mean that
Ezekiel 23:30
I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the goy, and because thou art polluted with their idols.
Israel went whoring after israel and was polluted with the idols of israel? So you unironically believe israel was polluted with the idols of israel? Yep you're retarded.
>Nope. That is a blatant lie. It doesn't say that
Verbatim
c. usually of non-Hebrew peoples Exodus 9:24; Exodus 34:10 (JE) Leviticus 25:44 (H) Numbers 14:15 (J) Deuteronomy 15:6 (twice in verse); 1 Kings 5:11; 1 Chronicles 14:17; 1 Chronicles 16:20; Isaiah 11:10,12 + often; opposed to Israel as ׳עם י 2 Samuel 7:23; 1 Chronicles 17:21 (twice in verse) etc., see עם, compare also Numbers 23:9; note especially גְּלִיל הַגּוֺיִם Isaiah 8:23 circle or district of the nations (see גָּלִיל); also ׳חֲרשֶׁת הַגּ Judges 4:2,13,16 Charosheth of the nations, & מֶלֶךְ גּוֺיִם לְגִלְגָּ֖ל Joshua 12:23 king of nations (peoples, tribes) belonging to Gilgal (ᵐ5 Di to the district, i.e 'Galilee'); especially of these peoples as heathen: idolatrous
>I use rat to describe you.
>Does that mean "rat" means "jew poster with ID Tk8QonfG"?
No because what you're doing is zambo nigger urbandictionary tier "linguistics" because I hurt your feelings by exposing your lies and making you look like a brainlet.

>>514922962
It's funny how you get exposed as a total fucking moron when someone actually effort posts back and you can't just screech like a little vagina about about muh concessions.

>>514921354
And to clarify, I said this >>514921811
In response to that image to make it clear what they're doing and why. I don't side with them over other Whites, but I do side with the cause of cleaning up western society. They're part of the problem in western society at the moment. Both things need to get taken care of.
I apologize, that was probably unclear.

>>514923282
>>Oh look, you didn't mention how it's not a contradiction
>That doesn't matter.
BHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHA
Skipped over the cope you wrote after that. I almost skipped your whole coping post for that, you're such a pathetic kike.
Concession accepted
>Israel went whoring after israel and was polluted with the idols of israel?
No because "goy" does not mean "Israel" either. I never claimed it did
What a pathetic strawman from a pathetic kike haha
>Verbatim
>c. usually of non-Hebrew peoples
USUALLY OF!!!!!!
BHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHABHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks for that 2nd laugh, I didn't think you would sink this low twice in one post...
I usually mean "of kikes like you" when I say rat. That does not mean "rat" means kikes like you
Thus, Briggs does not say non Israelite is one of the meanings of "goy"
You directly lied.
Concession accepted
>>I use rat to describe you.
>>Does that mean "rat" means "jew poster with ID Tk8QonfG"?
>No
Concession accepted
Using "goy" usually of non-Israelites does not mean "goy" is ever defined as "non Israelite" just as you admit using "rat" to describe you does not mean "jew poster with ID Tk8QonfG"
There is no word for, and there is no word that means, "non Israelite" in the Hebrew language. Thus there is no such concept as a "gentile" among the ancient Israelite language and correspondingly there cannot be a "jew" either since the concepts must accompany each other.

Conversation over, you lose, I win

Seethe harder, jewish rat

>>514923492
>seething kike retard (probably samefag on phone) doesn't read any of the conversation from anyone but has to show up and screech I'm "wrong" to consensus crack anyway
You jews are soooooooo pathetic haha

>>514908496 (OP)
>>Christianity
>>33 AD
>>Judaism
>>70 AD
>>Islam
>>610 AD

>>Oera Linda book of Atlantean history
>>2194 BCE

>>514922522
>So are arabs. Are arabs jews? No
Those who are descendants of Abraham are jews, indeed. How are you getting lost here?
>Pilpul. I offered evidence. Screeching PROOF PROOF POOOF is kiked sophistry
Nope, you haven't. Not a single shred of proof that there is any significant racial or ethnic difference between "israelite" and the core religious belief, that is YHWH monotheism and belief in the torah, and the concept of jews.
>were words or even concepts in Hebrew back then.
Are you saying that the Hebrew concept of jew did not exist? Because that is indeed used in the dead sea scrolls.
You still haven't addressed the fact that they explicitly argue with jews in several of the manuscripts.
>There is zero evidence anything alive today that calls itself a "jew" is related to Israelites or the same race as the Israelites
Are you implying that you, or any other group is actually related?
Because most jews do indeed have semitic dna, the same that the israelites had.
Before you pull that retarded image that talks about dna percentages, that is absolutely consistent with the history is displacement. That argument would be valid if there was 0 semitic dna, but as there is semitic dna found in modern day jews, the argument is void. A semitic dna which is also distinct from almost every other major group in the region.

>>514909657
God Christcucks are retarded

>>514924107
Your "logic" is that goy can't mean non-israelite because it can't. That's disproven by the use of goy throughout your torah.
>>514924107
>No because "goy" does not mean "Israel" either
>>514917245
>"Goy" is used to label Israelites, it fundamentally cannot mean "gentile"
Kek
>>514924107
>Thus, Briggs does not say non Israelite is one of the meanings of "goy"
>>514922320
>Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon says one of the meanings is non-hebrew people lol. You tried.
Holy shit you're dumber than fuck lol. No wonder the sandnigger kikes with a 10k word vocabulary were smarter than you.
>>514924107
>Using "goy" usually of non-Israelites does not mean "goy" is ever defined as "non Israelite"
The "c" means it's a tertiary definition you dumb nigger lol.
>>514924107
>you admit using "rat" to describe you does not mean "jew poster with ID Tk8QonfG"
Post a link to a lexicon entry that says Tk8QonfG means rat. If you fail to do this it is an admission you are a lying kike
Good luck )^;

>>514911330
The Talmud is not the Jewish holy book, it’s the Torah you fucking retard

>>514924297
>>So are arabs. Are arabs jews? No
>Those who are descendants of Abraham are jews, indeed
So all muslims are jews??
Are you high??
I can't continue when you say something so impossibly brain dead stupid and you know I can go on like this for hours so it's not me, it's you. You're literally dumber than a jeet.

Even a pathological lying jew that would lie about anything to bolster his idiocy would NEVER say something THAT stupid and, shocker, I suddenly reversed my claim you're a jew because it felt off... something I have maybe done 3 times in my life tops.

My jewdar is that good.

>>514916800
Yeah bro, totally nothing weird in the Bible or torah….uh…right?

>>514924917
>So all muslims are jews??
Where does is it say that all arabs are muslims? And where did I say that all arabs are descendants of Abraham?
If you can't make that distinction, then you have proven you are retarded. Thanks for playing.
I want you understand how utterly retarded you are and finally become self-aware.

>>514918090
Ginger’s exist among Arabs, look at Saddams old general. Assad has blue eyes ffs

Arabs are Caucasian, but not European

>>514925105
The middle east wasn't arab outside of Arabia prior to the Arab conquests.
Ever wondered how isolationist peoples like Alawites,Yadizi,Samaritans actual jews manage to stay white without ever leaving the area.
(these are Sarmaritans that never left the middle east and never mixed with arabs notice something?

>>514925105
They're White man.

>>514916092
Stalin banned Khazar studies
Also modern Ukraine is geographically Khazar isn't it? No wonder they want it so bad.

>>514924528
you should probably kill yourself at your earliest convenience

>>514924440
>seething jew retard has a total metldown and randomly starts smashes the reply button in rage
haha!!
I buck broke another kike
Quoting my words back to me while having a premenstrual cycle meltdown is not an argument or even a claim, it's just having a pissy temper tantrum and that is 90% of your post
The only thing of possible substance you said was:
>The "c" means it's a tertiary definition
..which is not an argument.
Even if it was a non-tertiary "definition" (ie listed after a digit instead of a letter) I would have said the same thing bc what I said still applies. It was completely pointless to point out it's tertiary
>Post a link to a lexicon entry that says Tk8QonfG means rat
Don't need to because I never claimed it did and we both agreed it does not mean even if it's "usually of" that

Seething

You lose kike )^;

>>514925647
>>seething jew retard has a total metldown and randomly starts smashes the reply button in rage
>haha!!
>I buck broke another kike
>Quoting my words back to me while having a premenstrual cycle meltdown is not an argument or even a claim, it's just having a pissy temper tantrum and that is 90% of your post
Nice effeminate temper tantrum, ma'am.
>it's not a definition
>yes it is, here's why
>n-n-not an argument!
Molymeme kikess destroyed kek.
>even if it was a definition I would've said it wasn't
Yeah because you're dumber than sandniggers with an extremely limited vocabulary.
>Don't need to because I never claimed it did
Yet you implied your effeminate ebonics urbandictionary slop was just as valid as a published biblical lexicon. Thanks for admitting your girly feelings don't mean anything, lying kike rat )^;

>>514909657
LMFAOOOOO

The cope

>>514908496 (OP)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QgCgL8jC8cE

>>514916672
>Nobody gives a shit
Anti-christians always pull this bullshit as damage control when they get blown the fuck out .

>Durr me goy caricature too dumb to comprehend nuance look here bonehead Neo-Nazi picture me legit!
It's pathetic.

>>514925079
>pilpuling this hard because I didn't bother adding enough nuance to what I said
My bad I was just overwhelmed by your stupidity of claiming all arabs descended from Abraham are jews, meaning just roughtly 90% of Muslims instead of 100%
So silly of me. I'll try not to be overwhelmed by your stupidity anymore but I'm not holding my breathe.

I'll continue briefly. Lets try again..

Was Osama Bin Laden a jew? He was arab.

>And where did I say that all arabs are descendants of Abraham?
The Bible says it. You can deny the Bible I guess or pretend there's somehow "Arabs" not related to Abraham/Ishmael somehow. I'm sure you're stupid enough to find a way to invent them

>>514926458
>The Bible says it.
tell me, where does it say that?
>Was Osama Bin Laden a jew? He was arab.
again, a retarded question, as you are incapable of comprehending the distinction.
try again.
no, he wasn't.
>My bad I was just overwhelmed by your stupidity of claiming all arabs descended from Abraham are jews, meaning just roughtly 90% of Muslims instead of 100%
that is not what I claimed. but the fact you interpreted in that way, is proof of your stupidity.

>>514925518
Yeah. At the time they were Aryans, Berbers still show traits of this.

>>514926458
>t. concession sissy
lmao
See: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/506654824/#q506686177

>>514926807
Lol is that big nosed weedbro in pic related really this retard >>514926458

>>514925832
>reaches the stage of PMS kikess meltdown where she's conversating with her own greentext she wrote that has no bearing on reality
haha!!
Talking to yourself is a sign of being a neurotic jewish woman and half your post's greentext was just nonsense you made up yourself then replied to kek
Literally talking to yourself
>Yet you implied your effeminate ebonics urbandictionary slop was just as valid as a published biblical lexicon
Are you talking to me now? That greentext you're responding to was your own words so you're just talking to yourself again
Anyway
We both agreed "no"
It's not my problem that backfired on you and you had a subsequent meltdown
>lying kike rat )^;
Awww she's copying me!
I broke her that bad..

If someone ever invented kosher Midol he'd be RICH

>>514926458
>The Bible says it.
Did arabs inherit the rodent-like appearance from abraham or hagar? Oh wait, they were both rat-faced sandniggers just like you. lmao

>>514926959
That's very uninteresting, is this your fat fucking kike nose >>514926807

>>514926901
Yeah

>>514926807
no way this is him. why do they always look like that?

>>514927044
Kek no wonder he's such an insufferable retard.

I lost track of the argument, are they both just calling each other female jews? lmao

>>514926901
>>514926807
>I trigged the kike so bad she called in tel aviv backup
haha!!!
Is it the FtM GOP voter in denial?
Probably

>>514926620
>>>>Those who are descendants of Abraham are jews, indeed
>>Was Osama Bin Laden a jew? He was arab.
>again, a retarded question, as you are incapable of comprehending the distinction.
>try again.
>no, he wasn't.
Ok lets follow through with this since you need a sunday school lesson

Was Ishmael the son of Abraham yes or no?
Is Ishmael the patriarch of Arabs yes or no?
Was Osama bin Laden an Arab yes or no?

>incoming meltdown and cope

>>514927251
So it is your fat kike nose? That explains why you freaked the fuck out about the word goy meaning non-israelite kek.
>noooooo goy is a good thing!
>shut it down!

>>514908496 (OP)
>>>Judaism
>>70 AD
Kill yourself christkike

>>514927251
>the concession sissy still hasn't addressed her ESL moment
lol

>>514910034
Jesus was an israelite, not a jew, just like david, soliman, yaya, zacharia. Most jews now aren't israelites, they are literal slavs from bumfuck fuckgslavia, there are few tho isralites, but most of them are now currently known as jordan/palestine.
Mohammad, was anticipated to be an israelite as well, and rabbies were anticipating him, excpet he turned out to be an Arab, and since then jews been seething about Islam that the last prophet wasn't from, and start coping with the so called messiah that will come end time to save them, that messiah is the anti-crhist btw.

>>514927021
>>514927322

>jewess finally gives up because she couldn't handle it any more
Shift change in tel aviv?
I bet made that last kikess cry and run to the bathroom so they had to replace her with you
She was so triggered she started copying me out of rage
>>514926962
>>514927380
>my tel aviv fan club shows up just to seethe about me
They ALWAYS show up in pairs, wonder why...
I'm pretty famous around here

>>514927635
You should really consider getting a nose job kek. That thing could puncture the stomachs of the kids you're doing oral suction on.

>>514927582
I'm a twisted sort of sand Nigger logic, where they wait for the mandate of heaven to come in the form of a warrior king that reaches the western shores of Palestine, like some Dune shit, this makes WAY TOO MUCH SENSE

fuck Muslim rape apes, and especially fuck hook nosed kikes still

Wish we could corral off this desert shit

>>514927635
>she can't answer because she's already crying
kek

>>514909657
every Israeli knows about the Temple going down in 70. Bro, Jews are going to win if these guys don't learn. Ugh.

>>514909435
chistcuck delusional coping

>>514909435
Because mental gymnastics, open borders and turn the other cheek, we are all gods creatures, etc etc

>U kike
>That explains why you freaked the fuck out about the word goy meaning non-israelite kek
btw what kind of cope was this?
99.999% of kikes use "goy" to mean "non Israelite" or "non jew" or "gentile"
It's where "the goyim know" meme comes from
If I were a kike I'd be happy to push that false narrative
These kikes are losing their minds and don't even know what they're arguing anymore, they just foam at the mouth saying I'm wrong no matter what.

Probably a shift change in tel aviv forgot to tell the incoming kikes what to say

>>514909658
>Jesus was not a "Jew"
Did he descend from David?
Did he descend from Abraham?
Who is he king of?

>>514927251
>Is Ishmael the patriarch of Arabs yes or no?
I was wrong on the Abraham affirmation, that is fair enough.
The covenant itself was made with the line of Jacob. Those descendants of Abraham who are bound by the covenant are jews. This still doesn't disprove the reality of israelites being jews. Ancient DNA from Israelite burials matches modern Jewish DNA. Archaeology in Judea shows unbroken cultural continuity. You still haven't shown a single piece of evidence of a separate non-jewish Israelite group. And also 0 evidence that the Essences claimed that the people they argued with were not jews.
Back up your claim.

>>514927750
I just did a facial recognition search and look at this motherfucker hahahahaha
https://virginia.arrests.org/Arrests/Brandon_Clark_45446699/
>>514927952
>kike freaking out that the goyim know the old testament demeans us
Kek

>>514928040
no fucking way. lmfao

>>514921471
I understand what you're saying, anon. Just because a word has been taken to mean something else in later times does not mean that's the original meaning.

I didnt agree with you at first, but you've actually convinced me.

>>514908496 (OP)
i'm convinced there's a paid soros and mossad campaign to scrutinize every minute detail of the Bible and its history on /pol/. i wonder why the jews want to turn us away from Christ so much

>>514928097
Look at this motherfucker hooooooly shit. Assault and battery on a family member. Possession of meth. Goddamn.

>>514928040
lmao. btw there is an anon that knows more about this rat-faced sandnigger

>>514927750
>>she can't answer because she's already crying
>kek
Yes your fellow kikess is crying. I said that.
Are you copying me like a coping jew or agreeing with me?

>>514927736
>kike effort posts for 2 hours
>has an absolute meltdown
>tel aviv backup is called in
>completely gives up all effort
>they all immediately start ((((coordinating))))
>now posts only low effort off topic insults to shut me up
It's clear what's going on here
I buck broke the female jew so bad they had to replace her and call in back up )^;

>>514924440
Does x mean y? No.
Can x be used to refer to y? Contextually, sometimes. This semantic gallop is retarded and makes you look bad and the other guy look right.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding or am I just not getting what you're saying?

>>514928332
>kikess is crying
is your rat-faced daughter crying right now? lmao

>>514928251
Forgot pic
>>514928255
Look at this
>>514928332
Are you a wife beater you fucking pussy? What family member did you assault?
>>514928340
Goy clearly refers to non-israelites in several instances, it can't be any clearer. There are times where it was used by ancient kikes just how modern kikes use it.

>>514908496 (OP)
Sounds like theyre all highly outdated

>>514928141
Great.
Now notice how hard jews are trying to shut me up because of my very simple and straightforward argument
They're literally trying to "doxx" me right now...they've threatened to post "my children's faces", and my "address" in other threads on /pol/ all to silence me

But they never will..

>>514927582
>Jesus was an israelite, not a jew, just like david,

you're just being a semantic retard like 90% of internet christians

>>514928519
Yeah it would make sense it would refer to other nations as nations just like they refer to themselves as a nation.

I imagine it slowly turned into a slur over time.

>>514928519
kek

>>514928659
>use complete kikefuck pilpul and get BTFO
>devolve into hand waving away arguments that you can't refute and spamming nonsense
>get exposed as a fat nose kike that does meth and beats its family members
I mean I guess that's what you get for defending jews and the torah huh?>>514928780
It was used as a slur at times in the torah, like when it says israel was whoring after the goys who polluted their art. I mean the audacity. The goys polluted jewish art? Is it opposite day or what?

>>514928519
>>514928430
>tel aviv jews need to shut me down

>>514928340
>>514928519
>Goy clearly refers to non-israelites in several instances
And rat refers to jews in hundreds of millions of instances throughout history
That does not mean rat is defined as "jew" or means "jew" you rat kike.

>>514928940
>And rat refers to jews in hundreds of millions of instances throughout history
Where's the lexicon, meth head woman beater?

>>514928940
>rat-faced sandnigger with brain damage from drug-induced psychosis is having delusions
topkek

>>514928707
The left can't meme

>>514928332
>25 posts by this malding christkike
Go dilate, christranny

>>514928938
>all that seething mental gymnastics + lies
>"goy" still isn't a word ever defined as "non Israelite"
Must suck having jewish genes like yours
>>514928990
>jew can't refute what I said for the 1 millionth time
Must suck having jewish genes like yours

>>514928940
You are literally the lowest of the low. A degenerate, drug addicted, violent mongrel who beats his own family.
You, then, pridefully, arrogantly, lie without shame about the very religion you claim to follow.
There isn't a single expression of hypocrisy that can possibly top that.
You, are the trash of the world. You, are the spread of the rot. You, are the blight.
You are absolutely repulsive, and every single person here can now see it.
No number of name-calling and ad-hominem attempts will ever be seen as anything more than a poor reach of a desperate rat ever again. As your factual actions and their consequences are evidence of your disgusting nature.

>>514929325
Have you stopped beating your family members and smoking meth?

>>514908496 (OP)
>Judaism didn't start until after Jesus okay, it doesn't count until the Talmud starts being written
>No the older source materials the Talmud is about and which Christianity also cites don't count that's not real Judaism
>Yes Christianity started the instant Christ was born nothing needed to be written down, what's hypocritical about that?
>Look it has to be true that Judaism started after Jesus because otherwise I might have to admit that I worship a Jew and you can't say that on /pol/

>>514929362
I think that the seething produced by this thread will end up with him unloading it on those poor people.
I feel bad for little kid, gonna get beat extra hard tonight.

>>514910901
>Jew religion starts with Pharisees
The pharisees were the jewish sect that embraced christianity the most. Gamliel, the leader of the pharisee faction, publicly defended Jesus and helped retrieving his corpse for his entombment.
I fucking hate christniggers that dont even read their own book and make up bullshit by cultural osmosis.

>>514929481
Unfortunately. He doesn't seem to have much impulse control looking at his record.

>>514909657
I guess he’s making a distinction between Temple Judaism and Rabbinical Judaism.

>>514929597
Spiritual nigger

>>514928940
I think the larger point is that goyim literally just means nations. Israel was a goy and Israelites would refer to other nations using the same word.

So regardless of modern parlance it means what it means. It can be used as a slur, much like any word that relates to a group of people and is used with derision, but it is not itself a slur.

If you refer to something awful like race mixing as so jewish, it is contextually a slur that also acts as a vehicle for the subtext of a causative agent. In the same way that referring to the other nations as just that implies a sense of superiority and subterfuge.

That make sense? I'm trying to square the circle here. Theres a lot of pilpul going around.

>>514929424
Also, pay no mind to all the levitical law that modern jews still follow but christians explicitly don't need to follow.

>>514929424
The contention is that pre talmud, there was no judaism in the way we may understand it today.

>>514929751
Yes.
But that is not the basis of the argument. The wife-beater wants to say that the ancient israelites were not ethnic jews, but white people, because he believes they were good. But no good can come from a jew, under his view. Thus, the reaches, with 0 supportive evidence to try to prove that this was the case.
Don't get lost on the "goy" argument. What is above is the real contention. And why it's so desperate.

>>514908496 (OP)
Nice try but christianity wasn't formed in a vacuum.

Christianity is so easy it’s like common law. Love God with all your heart, all your mind and all your spirit. And love your neighbor AS YOU WOULD HAVE HIM LOVE YOU.

Isaiah 53: ask a JUDAISM about this chapter. They will stumble.

(JUDAISM ISN’T CHRISTIANITY)

Yeshua (Jesus) taught the Torah. The Torah law is that only a brother (or other family) can redeem (save) a brother (from his debts/sins). He called you, the believer, his brother and friend.

The synagogue of Satan put him to death for preaching life (the Torah) on this earth. He was crucified for it and died. He then went to Sheol (hell) where we all go when we die and preached the truth, the life and THE WAY (out of hell) in Sheol for three days (3,000 years earth time) and took the keys of Hell and resurrected himself by being innocent of death and now lives to reign. He alone has resurrected the body of Adam. The only thing that awaits is for all souls that can be saved, to be saved. The rest are burned in the lake of fire, separated from God forever.RVS2D

>>514913143
you are a dumb cunt

>>514929144
>>514929192
>>514929362
>two jewish posters
>no arguments
Must suck having your jewish genes

>>514928024
Oh I missed this one my bad
>I was wrong on the Abraham affirmation, that is fair enough.
Yeah, this is why your post was so dumb it was evidence to never bother with you again
You doubled down on it though which just proves how much of an ignorant retard you are
>This still doesn't disprove the reality of israelites being jews
Of course not. It just proves you're not intelligent enough to discuss the topic
>Ancient DNA from Israelite burials matches modern Jewish DNA
>Source: jews in Israle say "trust me we share the DNA!!!"
No thanks I don't trust kikes or people who act like kikes, such as yourself.
>Archaeology in Judea shows unbroken cultural continuity
That's just made up nonsense. It's completely wrong too.
>evidence of a separate non-jewish Israelite group
??? That was never my claim. My claim is Israelites, not a single one of them, were ever "jews"
>And also 0 evidence that the Essences claimed that the people they argued with were not jews.
Of course they would not claim that because jews didn't exist yet. Why would you claim right now you're not arguing with an unknown mystery religion that will exist 200 years from now?
Try to think before you type

>>514929331
>wall of seethe
You're acting like a jew again
>A degenerate, drug addicted, violent mongrel who beats his own family
You sure about that?

>>514930096
>You sure about that?
You don't seem at all able to prove it wrong kek. Stop smoking meth and assaulting your family. Which family member was it?

>>514930025
>The synagogue of Satan put him to death for preaching life (the Torah)

why would jews have an issue with rabbi yeshu telling fellow jews usury is normal and it's ok to finncially enslave gentiles? you're obfuscating the real issue

>>514930096
>You're acting like a jew again
You are the drug addicted wife beater.

>No thanks I don't trust kikes or people who act like kikes, such as yourself.
Present one single piece of evidence of the contrary. Nobody cares about the trust of a spiritual nigger. Post evidence.

>>514930165
I don’t charge my brothers interest. Simple. Charge foreigners interest. Simple. Jews don’t see Christian’s as brothers. Don’t do business with them. Expell the Jews.

>>514930096
>You sure about that?
Yes.
>Of course they would not claim that because jews didn't exist yet
This is a retarded claim. As I said, the hebrew word for jew is used in the scrolls several times.
Let's see how you ass pull some schizophrenic interpretation of how jew didn't actually mean jew.
Maybe that's what the meth is for.

>>514930096
>Must suck having your jewish genes
lmao

>>514929673
Yep. Great summary. I'm not sure if "goy" was used as a slur in the OT I'd have to check the verse though. Maybe it was. But of course that doesn't define the word and I think you correctly implied that.
It's all so simple but these kikes are seething out of their minds and doing everything possible to shut me up.
They're mostly just mad at other things I post on /pol/
They really lost in this thread

>>514930375
>I don’t charge my brothers interest. Simple. Charge foreigners interest.

yes because you're jewish. we know.

>>514930025
Isaiah himself names multiple other pre-requisites for being the messiah that weren't fulfilled by Jesus. What is your point?
>Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.”
>The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
>He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples.
>They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
>Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

>>514930544
>Maybe it was. But of course that doesn't define the word and I think you correctly implied that.
Yeah nice backtracking you low impulse control drug addled nigger. Now you're admitting I was right the whole time when I said it has *multiple definitions* and you have to read the context to see if it's being used demeaningly or not.

>>514930233
>drug addicted wife beater.
You sure about that?
>>No thanks I don't trust kikes
>Present one single piece of evidence of the contrary
Not sure what you're asking. The DNA studies are literally all made by tel aviv jews and you blindly trust them
>>You sure about that?
>Yes.
Why?
>the hebrew word for jew is used in the scrolls several times
That was comically debunked. We moved on to "gentile" not being in Hebrew and that was also proven. Try to keep up.
>Let's see how you pull some genius interpretation of how Judean didn't actually mean jew.
Waaaay ahead of you..

jew" is a concept invented and race created after Jesus and anachronistically applied to Jesus
'jew' does not mean Judean. They are separate words
It's like redefining the word "German" to mean "Nazi" and then saying Martin Luther was a Nazi because he was a German which now means Nazi and it "makes sense" because Germans and Nazis supposedly have some cultural overlap in the 1500s or some nonsense.
Peer review from a .org university website:
https://scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300008
>The article demonstrates that this thesis is supported by Josephus and also by archaeological evidence. From the perspective of this thesis, the article contends that the term "Jew" does not apply to Galileans. First-century Galileans should rather be understood as "ethnic Judeans"
>>To reiterate: Galileans were not "Jews" who practiced a "religion" called "Judaism". When Jesus, the Galilean, was crucified as the "king of the Judeans" ;
> Following recent voices on this issue and on the proper translation of Ἰουδαῖος we should discard the terms "Jews" (and "Judaism") with regards to the people of Judea, the Diaspora, and Galilee as well, since these terms are anachronistic and misleading for the historical situation in question.
The word "jew" didn't exist in the days of Jesus and neither did a single analogous Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic word

>>514930556
If only I had a beaked nose and beady eyes like you Jews…

>>514909657
Christcucks worship a Jew

>>514908496 (OP)
>CHICK Mangione? I'm not a chick I'm a dude *WHACK*

>Jediism
>1977

>>514930722
Okay… and? Explain Isaiah 53 Juden..

>>514930159
>>514930540
>two jews
>two posts with no arguments
Must suck having your jewish genes

>>514930763
>Now you're admitting I was right the whole time when I said it has *multiple definitions*
The anon I replied to said it "literally just means nations" and I said he was right. That is not multiple definitions it's just one.
You are one comically stupid and outrageously coping jewish retard

>>514930907
>and neither did a single analogous Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic word
Yehudi you meth brained retard. Ἰουδαῖος is the Greek translation of yehudi in the septuagint. The English word judaism is rooted in yehudi.
>>514931227
>The anon I replied to said it can be used as a slur
And you agreed you dumb methfuck. Now you're saying nation can be a slur? Lay off the drugs and stop coping you degenerate fuck.

>>514910693
what this DickShit laughing about? Abraham came before Jesus.

>>514908496 (OP)
>>514909302
>Zoroastrianism
>5000 BC

>>514930907
Read your own article.
>At first, we traced two lines of thought on the identity of Galileans in the first century ce. It was argued here that understanding Galileans as descendents of Judeans who relocated there during the Maccabean campaigns is better supported by both Josephus and the archaeological evidence. They were "Jews" in this sense, as opposed to being descendents of northern Israelites. It was also argued, however, that if they were of the same ethnic stock as those living in Judea, it is historically more accurate to understand them as ethnic Judeans, being the proper translation of (singular ), which in itself must be seen as an ethnic term which holds ethnic content. Galileans were also Israelites, which along with Judean can be seen as their more encompassing identity. In a "hierarchy of nested segments", their Galilean "ethnic" identity was "nested" inside this more encompassing identity
The modern word for jew is just used to describe this wider israelite identity. And it is an exonym, no one has ever questioned that. And there's living genealogies from both judea and galilee.
>>514931167
He fulfilled some minor traits but not all, including the most important description of the jewish messiah: coming from the davidic line. Which makes him a false claimant under the eyes of Isaiahian exegesis, making any mentions to that specific passage irrelevant.

>>514909435
Yeah sure, everyone un the bible was atheist before jesus came and invented Christianity. Christianity is the first religion in the world!

>>514930907
>Not sure what you're asking. The DNA studies are literally all made by tel aviv jews and you blindly trust them
lmao
>I have no proof.
>the lack of proof demonstrates my point.
what you have is the biased incredibility of a statement. which is nowhere near any notion of proof.

>The word "jew" didn't exist in the days of Jesus and neither did a single analogous Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic word
this is an insane fucking cope. You still haven't made the distinction, btw. Something I've mentioned several times by now.
the word Yehudi is in the scrolls. Your autistic fixation on the interchangeable use of a term to label both an ethnicity and a religion is fucking retarded. >>514931601
>The modern word for jew is just used to describe this wider israelite identity. And it is an exonym, no one has ever questioned that. And there's living genealogies from both judea and galilee.
Josephus himself used the terms interchangeably.
it is astounding how the nuances just go over his meth-addled brain.

>>514909435
They refused the true king and the priesthood of Melchizedek.

>>514910034
Jesus wasn't even from Judea, there was no "Jewish religion" in the anachronistic sense you're desperate to muddy the waters with.

>>514909435
Judaism is like Protestants. It went from being having a central body to a bunch of schizos twisting it for their own gain

Plague in Europe primarily refers to the devastating Black Death pandemic of the 14th century

>>514930907
>It's like redefining the word "German" to mean "Nazi"
no. you utter retard.
the definition is way more akin to the nazi use of the term aryan.

>>514930096
>seethe wall
lmfao dilate christurd

>>514932135
bible language => medical language feudalism

>>514931601
MATTHEW 1..

“False claimant” LOL.. still don’t understand common law huh? Judens and their TALMUDIC curses against God himself. Your people are sick murderers.

>>514931756
>Josephus himself used the terms interchangeably.
Because Josephus was a hellenized jew and the greeks had already defined that ioudaios = people who follow the religion practiced in israel. And even among israelites themselves, the identities had long intertwined ever since the Kingdom of Judah became the de facto Kingdom of Israel in the first temple period. Your own article describes this:
>This has been referred to as a "hierarchy of nested segments", where a person's ethnic identity is divided into distinct parts, yet also fits - can be nested inside - a more encompassing identity. For our purposes here, a person living in Galilee can be identified as a Sepphorean, Galilean, Judean, with the more encompassing identity alternatively being Judean and/or Israelite.9 This more encompassing identity is something which Josephus refers to when he writes he acted as a commander for those "among us that are named Galileans". This is similar to what ethnicity theorists call a "we" aggregative self-definition, in reference to like-minded, like-practiced peers.
Its like asking to a greek "are you athenian, ionian or hellene?".

>>514931371
>Yehudi
Also doesn't mean "jew" you impossibly stupid jewish rat, it means someone of Judah.
>Ἰουδαῖος is the Greek translation of yehudi
Ἰουδαῖος does not mean "jew" as the peer review I posted demonstrated you impossibly stupid jewish rat
>The English word judaism is rooted in yehudi
It is falsely + anachronistically indexed to Ἰουδαῖος as my peer review paper demonstrated. You're just adding one extra transliteration without refuting the fact it's wrong, so you're pilpuling.
yehudi -> Ἰουδαῖος =! jew/judaism
>>The anon I replied to said it can be used as a slur
>And you agreed
That doesn't mean it has a new definition you impossibly stupid jewish rat

How can you keep coping this hard? I have completely obliterated you so hard that other anons were noticing your jewish rage and said it made you look wrong kek! I'm not even trying. This is a cake walk for me.

It must suck having your jewish genes.

>>514908496 (OP)
Christianity started when God created Adam

>>514931601
>Read your own article
Thanks I've read it many times
Lets read the part you randomly copied for no reason...
>it is historically more accurate to understand them as ethnic Judeans
So not jews
Maybe you should read the article?
>The modern word for jew is just used to describe this wider israelite identity
*It is falsely used to describe the wider Israelite idenity

>>514932311
>Also doesn't mean "jew"
Lol lay off the meth you fucking retard. Jew comes directly from yehudi.
>It is falsely + anachronistically
No you dumb methfreak that's not how language works lol. They didn't "anachronistically" translate the word. They used an English translation of the heebrew word yehudi, just like they did with jesus, which didn't exist as a word in the time of jesus. Jew = yehudi = israelite. It's very simple for anyone not hopped up on fucking meth.
>That doesn't mean it has a new definition
What "nation" polluted the israelite art methfreak? What "nation" were they whoring themselves out to?
>a non-israelite one
Lay. Off. The. Fucking. Meth. You. Dumb. Low. Impulse. Control. Nigger.

>>514932286
>Its like asking to a greek "are you athenian, ionian or hellene?".
yes, that was my point. I think you replied to the wrong person.
>>514932311
yahudi literally means judean. jew, means a person from the territory of Israel and Judea who practices the israelite religion (judaism).
how is this so hard to understand for you?
your point is such a nothingburger that relies on inuendo and is utterly incapable of prove anything concrete. Just like your melted brain, it's a complete mess.

kikes be seething
op is a legend.

>>514909585
Rabbinical Judaism is the Satanic inversion of Christianity.

>>514910870
>>WE WUZ DAH REL HEBREWS N SHIEEET
you're descendants of steppe herders that never built a city until the 1950s and you're larping as the evil Christ killers.
the absolute state of modern kikery.

>>514932553
>It is falsely used
Sorry methfreak but your one article that didn't undergo peer review and has only been cited by one researcher isn't an authority on anything kek.

>>514932727
That's true. He acted like his distrust of dna studies was an argument.
Why should we trust this shit?

>>514931756
>>Not sure what you're asking. The DNA studies are literally all made by tel aviv jews and you blindly trust them
>lmao
>>I have no proof.
>>the lack of proof demonstrates my point.
>what you have is the biased incredibility of a statement. which is nowhere near any notion of proof
I have no idea what you're babbling about anymore. You admitted you didn't understand basic Sunday school knowlege and it shows.
>this is an insane
Not an argument. Just because you're too stupid to understand peer review doesn't mean it's wrong.
>the word Yehudi is in the scrolls
So are lots of words. None of them mean "spaceship" just like "Yehudi" does not mean "jew." Whats your point? Oh right, you don't have one :)
>Your autistic fixation on the interchangeable use of a term to label both an ethnicity and a religion is fucking retarded
>[no point intensifies]
No u

>>514932135
>no. you utter retard.
>translation: NUH UH!!!!!!
I have hurt you haven't I?
>the definition is way more akin to the nazi use of the term aryan.
What definition? Jews? Nazis? German? You can't even think at this point and

>>514932232
>kike still can't refute anything
Must suck to have your jewish genes

>>514918090
One of the earliest artworks of Jesus depicts him as a ginger. Both are related.

>>514932805
It's funny because his shitty article is just one guy quoting a bunch of other research saying israelites were jews and saying he disagrees without much real explanation or evidence. Very weak.

>>514932874
>I have hurt you haven't I?
He's not your family member so no kek

>>514932283
Read, man, read.
> and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[c] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
>After the exile to Babylon:
>Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel,
Jeconiah was excluded from the davidic line long before Christ. And Jesus wasn't the son of Joseph, so this shouldnt even matter. And then there's the whole affair with the genealogy presented in Luke 3:23...
>>514932553
Yeah, I think you are just functionally illiterate if you can't understand how this linguistical shift is supposed to work.
>judeans and galileans were initially separate
>judah eventually rules over galilee
>galileans become subjets of judah
>galileans start to be described as judeans (subjects of judah) in relation to foreigners
It's literally that simple. And by the time the wider israelites were hellenized, the entire discussion was dead and buried as both galileans called themselves ioudaios. And there's the entire babylonian exile certainly erased any distinction between both groups, which your article oddly omits.
>>514932727
And the article goes against what he is claiming.

this vid series creeped me out...basically it claims that all religions are derivative of one another. all share similarities. including the story of socrates being annoying and put to death. krishna <---> christ, the winter solstice, christmas, all connected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1gBj8CiKto

>>514913365
>*smacks lips*
>ayo we wuz da real israelites n shiiiiet

>>514932726
they're basically worthless gypsies
taking on the identity of an extinct people finally made them relevant.

>>514932874
It absolutely means Jew you retarded nigger faggot. Jews = Hebrews = Israelites. It's all exactly the same fucking thing.

>>514928017
>Did he descend from David?
>Did he descend from Abraham?
>Who is he king of?
No.
No.
Kings.

>>514933289
jews = gypsies = traveling nationless merchants

>>514932625
>yahudi literally means judean
No, it mean person of Judah.
You admitted you didn't understand basic Sunday school knowlege and it shows

>>514932727
>article that didn't undergo peer review
HAHA!! His university peers would call for a retraction if it was invalid. It is peer review. Cope and seethe you little jewish rat
Must suck having your jewish genes

>>514932585
>Jew comes directly from yehudi
The peer review proves it doesn't little kike rat
>They didn't "anachronistically" translate the word
I didn't say "anachronistically translated" little kike rat
>Jew = yehudi = israelite.
The peer reivew successfully argued it doesn't, little kike rat
>>That doesn't mean it has a new definition
>What "nation" polluted
Blah blah blah more seethe from the little kike rat
The other anon said there is just one definition and I agreed with him
I never agreed with your lie there is more than one definition, that was just your little kike rat cope
Take another embarrassing L

I have really upset that pathetic little kike rat
It is seething so hard that other anons noticed haha!!
Concession accepted )^;

>>514932874
>I have no idea what you're babbling about anymore. You admitted you didn't understand basic Sunday school knowlege and it shows.
Not an argument.
>Whats your point? Oh right, you don't have one :)
Yahudi and jew are used interchangably. Your addendum that some sort of obscure usurping of the term was done by a mysterious group that, for some reason, adopted the label in order to rule the world, in a time when those with the label were being persecuted, is utterly retarded.

If the article you cited was correct, it would simply abolish the usage of the word jew, and nothing would change, as jew is an all encompassing term for the people of that region who followed the same religion.

Btw, the people of the dead sea scroll never call themselves yahudi, either. Although they use the word, as a neutral adjective and not a slur, implying no denunciation. In other words, if your claim is that yahudi means israelites, then, under YOUR OWN LOGIC, the Essenes were not Israelites. This is of course, retarded.
>inb4 more schizo cope

>>514909302
based8

>>514933396
>No, it mean person of Judah
You know, you have to detail the difference. Because Judean means person Judah.
This contradiction is hilariously retarded. And it's been the wntire base of your argument for this entire thread, and what everyone here has been calling you out on.

>>514933396
>His university peers would call for a retraction if it was invalid
That's not at all how that works lol. Lay off the meth.
>The peer review
There is none, methnigger.
>I didn't say "anachronistically translated"
Then you came up with an even more retarded methminded cope, which is that jew is the correct translation of yehudi, but it's just used to describe the wrong people. The word jew would not exist if the people of your torah weren't called yehudi. You don't have ample evidence to support your assertion that it's an anachronism.
>Blah blah blah
Nice concession, methjew.

>>514933030
>Yeah, I think you are just functionally blah blah blah
That's some interesting cope but please quote and stick to the paper since you pretend I didn't read it and act like it goes against my claims (it doesn't)
I don't care about your made up interpretations and sequences of linguistic evolution or whatever you're babbling about because you feel you're smart enough to lecture me (you aren't)

>>514933853
>blah blah blah
He concedes again!

>>514933853
>uhhhh, I'm too dumb to argue so I will just say that your claims dont count and are made up, okay?

>>514933853
>I only trust the studies that agree with me
Lmao

>>514933396
>Sunday school
Did they teach you to abuse your family members and become a drug addict in Sunday school?

>>514934139
Kek got him

>>514932311
>>514932553
>>514932874
>wall of cope
lel

>>514933030
look at this fag preserving jewish pseudohistory
why dont you talk about your own culture instead?

>>514933666
>You know, you have to detail the difference
Are you unironically so stupid you don't know the difference between Judea and Judah?
>yes


>>514933839
>>His university peers would call for a retraction if it was invalid
>That's not at all how that works
So his academic peers would not make a peep to the university if his paper contained errors huh?
That's the cope you're going with little jewish rat?
HAHAHAHA!!!!
You obviously failed out of high school
>>I didn't say "anachronistically translated"
>Then you came up
The jew finally admits it's wrong. Good for you. I didn't say what you claimed. Now admit you're wrong 100x more times for everything else you've said little jewish rat
>which is that jew is the correct translation of yehudi
I didn't say "non anachronistically translated" either...
It shouldn't be possible for a little jewish rat like yourself to be this stupid...
>The word jew would not exist if the people of your torah weren't called yehudi
"jew" is falsely + anachronistically indexed to Ἰουδαῖος which is translated from Yehudi so technically sure. What a phonemically irrelevant and stupid thing for you to point out haha
Your cope is getting worse
>You don't have ample evidence to support your assertion that it's an anachronism.
AMPLE?????? THE JEW ADMITS I HAVE EVIDENCE ITS JUST NOT AMPLE!!!!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Biggest cope nuke so far

(It's ample btw, read the peer review)

>she can't even attempt to refute anything else I said
The posts have been miserable effort posts again so I guess the jewess came back from crying
I'll refer to you as a woman again

Concession accepted, ratjewess

>>514933294
well then he ripped off that title from the persians then
total jew move

>>514933181
>they're basically worthless gypsies
exactly
it actually explains why they were repeatedly kicked out, they were nomadic, living in shanty towns on the outskirts of cities they'd parasite off of. Kicking them out was easy because they never planned to stay.
>taking on the identity of an extinct people finally made them relevant.
frankists gonna frankist.

>>514933947
You replied to me first and implied the paper I gave disagreed with me then abandoned that failed argument. Did you think I was going to follow you into some moronic tangent after that? LOL
It's late and I'm about to go to bed. Not the time to follow retarded tangents from retards like you.
>>514934032
No, I don't trust studies by kikes
You do
Why do you lie?
You clearly aren't a Christian
>>514934337
>another jewish post
>another post that can't refute
Must suck having your jewish genes

I'll give one last short reply to every kike retard that's been obsessed with me and then I'm done.
I'd say "so make em good" but that is impossible with you retards haha

>>514934548
>So his academic peers would not make a peep to the university if his paper contained errors huh?
How wrote an opinion piece essentially. Universities typically only retract works if there's gross academic misconduct or negligence. Disagreeing with his superiors doesn't warrant a retraction.
>The White man finally admits it's wrong.
Nope, you just lack the testosterone and cognitive function to speak clearly like a man. It's all shucking and jiving with you as everyone tries to nail you down, like Hitler said jews like to do.
>I didn't say "non anachronistically translated" either
Then shucks and jives to this
>Ἰουδαῖος which is translated from Yehudi so technically sure
Kek so you admit jew = yehudi.
>"jew" is falsely + anachronistically indexed to Ἰουδαῖος
That's impossible retard. What you're really trying to say is that rabbinic judaism isn't the same thing as israelite/second temple judaism, which is accurate to a degree, but they're both still forms of judaism.
>>514934548
>AMPLE?????? THE JEW ADMITS I HAVE EVIDENCE ITS JUST NOT AMPLE!!!!!!!!
Weak shucking and jiving once again. You're not coping well with being outed as an abusive meth fiend.

>>514935147
>No, I don't trust studies by kikes
Not an argument. How do you know that the perr reviewrs aren't jewish? Or that the author isn't a jew in disguise? Completely plausible scenarios under your worldview.

>difference between Judea and Judah?
>Judah primarily refers to the ancient tribe and kingdom, whereas Judea is a later designation for the region under foreign rule
Still doesn't change the fact that they refer to the same thing. Judean, is someone who inhabits the region of judea, the kingdom of judah, is by definition, judean.

>>514935206
You still haven't dealt with the fact that the Essenes didn't refer to themselves as "yahudi" a single time in the entire collection.