Thread 514923498

Finally, the NRA aren't total POS for once and come out and defend the 2nd amendment from Trump.

Either it is "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" and ALL CURRENT GUN CONTROL IS VOID AND NULL.

OR

Troons lose their rights.

PICK.

I choose shall not be infringed for me and no rights for thee

>>514923498 (OP)
idk I'm anti gun grabbing too but I also genuinely believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness so

The NRA already lost to Trump with the bumpbstock ban.

>>514923616
if you're going to ignore the law you may as well go all the way and put them in camps

If the NRA cares about troons owning guns maybe they should lobby to get rid of the Gun Control Act of 1968?

>>514923541
I pick "troons lose their lives"

>>514923703
>maybe they should lobby to get rid of the Gun Control Act of 1968?

For reals. Like actually do something for a change.

They kicked out the only based NRA board member Colion Noir, who would have done just that.

>>514923616
>gender dysphoria is a mental illness
Let's see what ChatGPT has to say. Turns out it isn't.

>>514923616
Who determines what a mental illness is? Best stick with the "shall not be infringed" part. I wish that we had documents as clear as yours.

>>514923774
NRA is a political organization masking itself as a gun rights organization. Been like that since the 1990s.

>>514923845
220
221
whatever it takes.

>>514923498 (OP)
>waffle under red flag laws
>stab Rittenhouse in the back
>cuck for the AWB
>the NRA doesn’t fold for the first time in my life
>it’s for a demon-possessed troon that killed kids

Can’t wait to make fun of my boomer dad for this tomorrow.

>>514923616
>gender dysphoria is a mental illness
True! So is being a republicuck. Both should have their guns taken away.

>>514923795
it's a skynet word salad about why a diagnosis isn't actually a diagnosis so fucking what. reads like a leftist wrote it

>>514923906
That's not going to get you a raise in your allowance Timmy.

>>514923498 (OP)
Ok but banning pistol braces is fucking retarded and not to mention ableist.

>>514923541
>>514923498 (OP)
We already have band on the mentally ill owning guns. The problem here is the government needs to label troons as mentally ill. Everyone should support this.

>>514923702
holy based

>>514924074
I'd rather they just get rid of all gun control laws.

Every single gawdayum one of the laws.

It's either a right or it aint.

>>514923498 (OP)
>>514923541
EZ
Simply establish by decree that all gender confused retards and especially trannys are by definition mentally ill and there you go, no more guns for the 41%ers because they are mentally unstable and not allowed by law to own or possess firearms.
You’re welcome.
K bye

>>514924074
>We already have band on the mentally ill owning guns.
That is not even remotely accurate.

>>514924234
How about SHALL NOT?

>>514923636
That got overturned by SCOTUS last year. Trump was mad about it.

>>514924334
> How about SHALL NOT?
Oh. You want to change the existing laws that don’t give felons and violent criminals access to firearms?
“Shall not” in the strictest sense?
Yeah no.
When it comes to trannys and criminals it should 100% be “shall ALWAYS”

>>514924885
> You want to change the existing laws that don’t give felons and violent criminals access to firearms?
actually yea. i got a friend who is a felon convicted of armed robbery and want him to have a gun.

>>514923541
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I would literally die bleeding in the grass on that hill.

>>514924184
Dumping all those into the tub and taking the picture looks like fun. Taking them out and putting them back does not.

>>514923541
I pick troons lose their rights because then the lefties have to come around and defend gun rights.

>>514924885
>Oh. You want to change the existing laws that don’t give felons and violent criminals access to firearms?
Yes. That has always been bullshit.

>>514925080
> because then the lefties have to come around and defend gun rights.
but you set the stage for all gun confiscation

Communists aren’t people.

>>514925113
and republicans run on gun control. they just call it “keeping guns out of hands of felons snd criminals”

youll be shocked how many amazing great people in the community are convicted felons. one guy i knew from work was great, but he couldn’t own a gun as a felon. so he owns a sword instead.

>>514924885
>Oh. You want to change the existing laws that don’t give felons and violent criminals access to firearms?

Once they done they time they should have their rights back yo.

I'd trust a felon with a gun more than a cop with a gun.

>>514925248
Yeah, I know. The way I've always seen it is, if you don't trust them to be law abiding citizens, then why'd you let them out.

>>514924304
everytime you fill out a background check form after purchasing a firearm there is a check box for if you have ever been diagnosed with a mental illness.

if you check that box you're going to get denied.

>>514925259
>no you see being a felon means you have no rights to gun or voting or free speech because some shit southern states in 1870s said so

>>514924334
>>514925248

Wrong you individualist fucktard.

Free speech applies ONLY to White men of good character

Gun rights applies ONLY to White men of good character.

>>514925248
i would rather have felons own guns than trannies

>>514925181
You're an idiot if you support that clown and his insane national registry idea.

>>514925389
Wrong. The question asks if you have ever been adjudicated by a legal authority or involuntarily committed. It does not ask about diagnoses.

>>514925389
> diagnosed with a mental illness.
you can’t force me to sign it. and i’m not taking your background check. that’s fed shit. im buying from a private seller in pa.

>>514924885
I'm not a criminal but the Mongrel Mob has guns. What was that Jefferson said about laws debarring the use of firearms? Stay in school or wind up like me.

>>514925420
i’m sorry, but where does it say that? and don’t say “it applied in 1791” oh no there was freed blacks owning gun. oh fuck that, there was slaves owning guns.

>>514925022
Probably filled it with other content first and then placed the bullets over the other material

>>514923498 (OP)
Daily Reminder: Trump was, and still is, a New York Democrat. MAGA has been one of the most successful psyops in American history ever.

>>514925395
>>514925580

Liberalism was an ideology invented to advance the power of capable White men. It is not some moral doctrine that applies to everyone that you faggots have morphed it into. It is a self defeating organization where the "rights" for the freedom of degenerates and criminals get precedent.

Get fucked you traitor.

>>514923498 (OP)
it took trannies to wake up the nra?

I don't even like trannies, but holy fuck, you take rights away from one group, dems are gonna do the same to you.

This admin is fucking retarded

>>514925986
>you take rights away from one group
>what are Felons, domestic violence (oh he hurt my poor widdle wrist officer!"

>>514923795
Ask for the definition of a mental illness, then ask if gender dysphoria fits the definition.

(1/2)

Thomas Hobbes said that anarchy is the most undesireable, most feared condition of mankind. To prevent anarchy, humans will accept ANY amount of authority, and that authority is justified. If everyone has a gun, and little regulations on them, we have a condition of "anarchy", that strengthens federal power. People will accept mass surveillance, and a police state, to save them from anarchy.
For that reason, the phenomenon of individual gun ownership is actually counterproductive. You are creating the police state, you are creating your own nightmare.

But the militia is an organized force that brings the community together, creates social bonds, and offloads police and government responsibilities onto itself. This weakens the authority and the influence of the central government.

Gun BullSh#T

>>514923498 (OP)
NRA daddy had gone woke! Slay!

>>514926271
(2/2)

Also consider the power ratios
-----------------------------------
1 man with a gun = 1 power (P)
You would expect that 100 men with guns = 100P. However in a condition of disorganization, a rabble mob will work against itself. They will engage in petty disputes, petty rivalries, and interfere with each other's efforts, thus blunting their effectiveness. Therefore you might find 100 men only equates to around 50P. They are also easy to antagonize and subvert by a strong centrally organized enemy. Under those conditions 100 men might only equal 30P, or less.

In military history, we find that power scales *exponentially* with organization. The more organized you are, the more your power rises, by geometric magnitudes. Hence at the Battle of Watling street, 10,000 organized Romans were able to demolish an army of nearly 1 million rabble Britons, scarcely losing a man. Therefore with an organized force, 100 men = 10,000P, or even greater. Organization is SO POWERFUL, it's ridiculous. Tactics, drills, procedures, grand strategy. You need it.

This once again proves the superiority of the militia. These units are actually super powerful and super effective, a real threat against the Feds. Because they are well disciplined and well regulated, they can be afforded a much higher caliber of weaponry. Tanks, mines, RPG's, drones...etc
There are other benefits too.
-- A militia forms a hierarchy where young men can rise the ranks and prove themselves. These are your future generals in the resistance.
-- A militia forms a real "government in waiting" ready to step into power at a moment's notice.


No matter how you slice it, the militia is how you're actually going to resist the feds. A network of such militias across the Northeast would be able to effectively expel the feds from that region, if it should come to that.
All of your gun rights activism should be focuses on the militia. That is what the feds actually fear.

>>514926271
> But the militia is an organized force that brings the community together, creates social bonds, and offloads police and government responsibilities onto itself.
shame the feds destroy them every time they get set up

>>514926313
even if that was the case, how is banning guns for non-militas a good idea?

>>514923498 (OP)
>... without due process
or in other words the NRA is all for infringing on the peoples inalienable right to keep and bear arms
but *legally*

>>514926384
(3/2)

There is a natural balance with private gun ownership that optimizes for self defense, while minimizing harm. If you attempt to go outside of that boundary, you're going to get people killed, and everyone will hate you. We aren't going to see civilians walking down the street with RPG's and tanks, sorry.

But the militia CAN be heavily armed. Because it's well regulated, well disciplined, with weaponry warehoused under strict lock and key. Therefore it's reasonable, and socially acceptable, to allow the militia to train with, and stockpile, a much higher caliber of weaponry. Military hardware.

THIS is the argument we need to defend at the Supreme court. All of our activism regarding gun rights should be about THIS. Instead people just want to scare old women at Walmart with an open-carry AR-15.

>>514923498 (OP)
>they only speak up when it concerns commies and troons
wowwieeeee

>>514923616
its simple.
>all men are created equal... rights... so on and so forth
>cut your dick off and declare "I am not a man"
>unequal
>rights forfeit
if your own dick couldnt trust you why should you be trusted with a rifle?

>>514925986
Lolololol Republicans have actively taken your rights for the entire 21st century, and you're still whining about Democrats.

How are people like you *this* fucking stupid?

>>514923702
What about non trump Christians too?

>>514923498 (OP)
the NRA has been comped and gay since forever, it's just a reddit boogeyman
>>514923541
I'm gonna have to go with the latter

>>514923795
>Let's see what ChatGPT has to say.
you are outsourcing your critical thinking capacity to a computer algorithm

>>514923498 (OP)
NRA is Gay… I’ve been saying this for years. Zumbo is a traitor to the US Constitution.

>>514926384
>10,000 organized Romans were able to demolish an army of nearly 1 million rabble Britons
You just brought a knife to a gun fight. Any zipperhead can tell you that.

>>514923498 (OP)
Trannies shouldn't be able to leave the house much less own guns. Why would you ever trust one of those mental defectives with a gun?

>/pol/ is defending gun grabbing because they believe in the mental illness meme
"mental illness" is whatever the state wants to define as such. Dodging the draft is mental illness. Disagreeing with us is mental illness. Not slaving away for pedophiles who own your life is mental illness.

Shall not be infringed means everyone and anyone should be allowed to own guns.

>>514923795
God you motherfuckers just get dumber and dumber with your appeals to authority. ChatGPT? Seriously?

>>514923498 (OP)
NRA IS JUST FOR FAGS

>>514923541
faggots are CRIMINALS

always have been

>>514926978
i asked grok

it said you are dying of lupus

>>514926313
I like the gun lobby's interpretation. Civilians being able to regulate government through sheer force so that it doesn't become tyrannical seems like a good thing. Also, the Federalist Papers dispute Warren Burger's historical revisionism

>>514926978
He was proving a point. The mainstream will label sexual deviants as normal but /pol/ posters are obviously unhinged and need moar gun control.

>>514927136
nope

see
>>514927033

>>514927121
>doesn't know it's just the plain text of 2a
>revisionism

>>514927217
It's not, you just can't into English and don't understand what sentence clauses are.

>>514927121
The gun lobby is motivated by profit. They don't actually care so much about Americans opposing the federal government. They want to sell guns and profit on the transactions. To this effect, the way they've interpreted the 2nd amendment is "everyone gets a gun". But I think if you instead put your efforts into defending and upholding the rights of the militia, you can more effectively achieve these aims.

>>514923541
I'm down with taking trannie gun rights away.

>>514923795
>listed in DSM-5
>not a mental illness

>>514927217
the context provided by the Federalist Papers clearly spell out that that a well armed population is essential to maintain a balance of power and prevent the concentration of authority in the federal government

>>514927167
Nope

>>514927404
>profit
I don't care. I want guns. As a matter of principle, every law abiding citizen ought to have the right to own and use firearms.
>militia
the people are the militia. end. of. story.

>>514927306
you watch tv shows niggers understand.

>>514923498 (OP)
Funny how they've been fine with banning of other shit but the moment you talk about taking it from trannys they finally grow a pair.
Fuck the NRA dude.

>>514927404
The right is of the people. Says it right there in the amendment. And besides, the militia is the people. What do you think colonial militias were, anon? Armies with big bases and barracks with soldiers sleeping in them and waking up to go into mess halls in the morning? They were just the dudes of any given local area who lived their normal everyday lives unless they were needed, and when they were they were mustered via some other dude coming to their house and saying, "what's up, Bob, we're mustering today. Don't forget your Kentucky rifle." And then Bob grabbed his rifle and went to wherever his militia bros were meeting. The idea in your head about what a militia is seems detached from the reality of 18th century America. It's just the people, specifically the fighting age men, of a community with their own personal firearms.

>>514927552
it's the plain meaning of regulated

>>514927714
Says the guy who can't read English above a middle school level.

>>514927774
you didn't deny being nigger equal

i deny your crap

There's all these other 2A court cases that real gun rights organizations are fighting and these fuckers show up for trannies lmfao.

>>514927665
>the people are the militia.
I am using "militia" as a synonmy for "organization". I mean an organized group of people who train, practice tactics, do drills and have an actual command-structure. That is the militia to me.
Your interpretation is dissolving the word "militia" to meaning....nothing. Which is exactly what the feds and gun rights lobbyists want.

>>514927764
Not in the 18th century. Yours is the 20th/21st century meaning of regulated, which means "government intervention." That is NOT how 18th century Americans used the word. The Supreme Court already explored this. You're two decades too late.

It really is crazy that the founding fathers knew exactly what stops tyranny. They predicted it and the whole world ignored them. They've been slowly chipping away at the whole world's gun rights, while they continue to try to take American gun rights piece by piece.

>>514927828
You can deny it all you want, it remains the truth: You simply do not know what you are talking about.

>>514927733
>The right is of the people
The people best express this right through the formation of a militia. It says that in the amendment too. The people can bear arms through the formation of a militia. That's who I interpret it, and that's how it ought to be interpreted.
>It's just the people, specifically the fighting age men
You are asserting that organization is completely spontaneous. That one day, a switch will flip, and every young man will grab his rifle, come together, and do exactly what they're supposed to do. But in practice that doesn't work. They need to form an organized structure.

>>514923498 (OP)
They see the slippery slope implications. Its not because the NRA is into furry shit and homos

>>514927880
the people are the ones doing the regulating. they ate for exactly this purpose.

start: why we want done (regulate)
finish: what idoes it, protecting it (the people bearing arms)

>>514923498 (OP)
The point is to get the Dems to go on record supporting gun rights. While at the same time, put out a serious question about these trannies and why in the world are we listening to their insane demands on everything.

>>514927895
It's not crazy at all. Not one bit. :P
Forbidden emoji included for your pleasure.

>>514927971
I don't necessarily disagree with that, but the problem is obvious. The moment you do that, you're on fed radar. You'll be rubbing elbows with feds in no time. Inviting feds over to your home. And maybe even looking at them in the witness stand while you stand trial for some bullshit. This is a problem they didn't have in the 18th century.

>>514927871
>Your interpretation
this interpretation is the historically understood interpretation that is most compatible with the original intention of the Constitution. the second amendment wasn't written to give you the right to join a gun club organization. it was written to enable citizens to hold authority accountable.

>>514928072
The regulation being referred to is the militia itself, i.e. rules and order, such as ranks, uniforms, uniformity of ammo, drills, etc. That is the regulation being cited by the Second Amendment, the idea being a militia has to have some sort of fighting capability and to achieve that it has to have discipline and rules. It has nothing to do with fucking legislation.

>>514928099
>The moment you do that, you're on fed radar.
That's because the feds fear it more than anything else. That's exactly why this needs to be absolutely protected. All of the activism regarding gun rights should be about the militia. That's how we're actually going to oppose the feds.
The 2A lobby just wants an open market in firearms they can profit from. But in reality to oppose the feds you're going to need highly organized unit trained to use real military hardware. RPG launchers, tanks, drones....etc. If every township and community had such an organized force, that would give us a real fighting chance.
I don't think this fantasy of a mass uprising, where everyone grabs their gun and comes together all at once, is going to work. They have too much social engineering to prevent that. They have porn, they have McDonalds making you weak and obese. All of this is "calming" the population and enduring their control over it.

>>514923541
>>514923616
Don’t ban guns, just ban troons from the general public . I recommend putting them in a theme park, I call it Troon Park. That or just water board them, I don’t care.

>>514923498 (OP)
>do fuckall for decades
>fall over themselves to defend troons

>>514925259
>I'd trust a felon with a gun more than a cop with a gun.
Unironically one of the most high IQ posts in this thread. You're actually thinking ahead to logical implications and likely future scenarios. A felon has their iwn shit to worry about. The job of a cop, on the other hand, is to fuck with people regardless of whether or not they are even criminals. Cops abuse their power all the time.

>>514928183
>this interpretation is the historically understood interpretation
Well it's the one that 2nd amendment lobbyists used in the courtroom and pushed into mass acceptance. But I don't necessarily agree with it. Back then America was a frontier society that relied on militias, particularly in the outer territories, to keep the peace. I think the militia needs to be an organized fighting force.
Volunteers sure, citizens, sure.

Ut should be just another element of the community. Just like the courthouse, and the water system, and the electrical grid. You also have the militia. This solves many other problems. It helps provide community cohesion, gives young men a purpose the are sorely lacking today. It's the way we can secure free communities and lessen federal control.

I am just going to post this here because it is relevant. If you have nothing better to do tonight... give this a spin. Heston was NRA and famously so. "Moses" as the protagonist who race-mixes. Perhaps you'd prefer the I am Legend experience with Will Smith? Maybe Hollywood is all Jews? I am not saying one way or the other what anybody should adhere to. What I am saying is that very little is new under the sun and this little number should be viewed for research purposes.

>>514928193
hunny, it's

[regulated militia] <- thing that is necessary for ________ kind of state?

hmm

here is the text:
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/full-text

>>514927867
>here's all these other 2A court cases that real gun rights organizations are fighting and these fuckers show up for trannies lmfao.
Yup, ZERO Fucks, and Zero funding given to actual 2A causes because the NRA supported all that gun control shit that is being fought in court.

again, there is some thing [regulated militia] which has something said about it.

what is that thing which is related tk it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNYtbU7eJ4
Certified for all ages.

>>514923498 (OP)
Shall not be infriged, niggerfaggot

>>514928739
Yes, a well-regulated militia = a militia that sets discipline and internal rules for itself. It does not mean "the government passes a law or a policy." Your confusion would be completely cleared up if you just read DC v. Heller. This is all explained in that opinion and its citations.

>>514928438
That logic would track but niggers literally can’t think 15 minutes into the future.

>>514928462
>should be just another element of the community
Oh, hell the fuck no! Every single organized institution that receives an air of respectability and legitimacy by virtue of its role in society or the "community" becomes corrupted. Every. Single. One. You go on about how evil you think profit motive and the gun lobby are. However, all they do is empower individuals to take responsibility for their own safety, INDEPENDENTLY of every other established institution that countless millions of Americans have RIGHTFULLY lost trust in.
>Back then America was a frontier society that relied on militias
Fucking irrelevant. The original intention needs to be respected. In fact, the high tech, fast paced, and globalized society we live in now makes the right bear arms even more important today than ever. Social upheaval, civil unrest, and economic decline could easily precipitate scenarios where individuals will have to take responsibility for their own safety because established institutions just won't be able to do anything to protect civilians.

>>514928920
ai slop:
> The NRA has insisted that for red flag laws to be acceptable, they must include high legal thresholds for temporary gun removal and mandate a judge's determination of whether a person meets a state standard for involuntary commitment.

these terms are acceptable lol (put faga in nuthouses)

>>514923498 (OP)
DISARM TROONS AND NIGGERS!!!
and give their guns to some good ol' boys!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KZWpwC2xvuEg

>>514928998
hun

[regulated militia] <- thing that is necessary for ________ kind of state?


answer the question. it's fill in the blank.

what kind of state is it exactly?

I'll warn you I am a logician.

we are at check mate, but maybe not since you are a nigger shitting everywhere and chewing on the gameboard.

>>514923795
>Its not a mental illness
>Here are the diagnostic

Couldnt make that shit up

>>514929002
Luckily, armed law-abiding civilians can think 15 minutes, and beyond, into the future. That's why we have a second amendment. You have the right to protect yourself from felons, if they do become a problem for you.

>>514929002
You assume a state under the terrorism of leo.

a lot of shit would get cleared in a hurry if the government collapsed.

we would have safe kids immediately.

>>514929112
I always strive to shun youtube so my hat is off to you. Too bad that you cannot timestamp, the Kerry and Biden are most amusing.

>>514929168
Why are you doing this? You already know I know what the blank means. Make your point or move on.
>>514929168
>logician
More evidence that colleges are nothing more than meaningless diploma mills handing out degrees to window lickers.

>>514929201
you should only be barefooted when sleeping, bathing, or sunbathing. and only if not alone.

and if you don't own a sword you aren't a Christian. And if you don't carry 2 flashlights always, you're a clown.

fyi I have a GREEN HEADLAMP. you should too :)

>>514929327
you don't have to answer.

you are dodging.

>>514929460
You're right, I've never read the Second Amendment despite being a gun owner and knowing more about it than you do. That all just happened magically. You sure showed me. Anyway, when you want to get around to making a salient point, just let me know and I will crush it for you like I have been doing.

>i know stuff woweee
>can't answer basic questions about one liner
>about which much is professed

are there any intelligent libs?

>>514929523
then answer the question.

or don't.

I can hardly zap you until you comply

>>514929585
I'm not going to jump through hoops for you. Make your point or don't. This is all academic anyway. Remember, you lost this debate officially two decades ago when Heller was decided. Heller is the law of the land, not your interpretation.

>>514929201
Shit. I was trying to track down an old flick where some young teenage guy uses his toes to help climb a rope. It was beyond Phrenology. It was survival of the prehensile in full Panovision. I believe it was a 1960's Aladdin or Sinbad movie but search engines keep barfing up Disney. Anyhoo.. them's some kwality toeses.

>>514929636
it's not a hoop.

you are ignorant. you don't know the type of state described in 2a.

but I, I have put it in my heart to know all of it.

>>514929351
kek! Thanks for the advice.

>>514929800
It doesn't matter. You could swap out the word free for literally any other word and the fact will remain that the justification clause of the Second Amendment is still referring to the regulation of militia through internal rules and not government policy, which is the official position of the United States government.

>>514923541
Troons lose their rights easily.
Gun owners are all pussies and retards with a glorified toy collection. None of them do shit despite overwhelming amount of corruption in the US. There might as well not be a 2A anyways since the fatasses who have guns refuse to use them.

>>514923498 (OP)
The NRA lost me when they didn't banish that thieving cunt Wayne LaPierre. They keep sending me emails trying to lure me back but until I see LaPierre getting shipped to Canada and blacklisted no amount of free folding knives is going to get me to give them money again.

>>514929871
no.

words are always necessary ones.

this is your missing predicate.

if it seems ok without the word, you got the wrong idea.

>>514929970
Nope. I've got the right idea that's why the Supreme Court agrees with me, that's why my interpretation is the official position of the US government. It could say, "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a turtle state" and the words "well-regulated militia" would STILL mean a militia with internal rules, and NOT a militia that is subject to government policy.

>>514929800
You are a fisher of men.
Do not overstay your limit or there may be nothing left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlV9JJDVlEk

>>514930048
lol

I have higher standards than that!

>>514930188
No you don't. You got a degree in Logic, a philosophy degree. You have no standards at all, my subliterate friend.

>>514930048
oh and also, think about why "well" is also a word we can't leave aside.

if you understand all the words matter, you can eliminate possibilities.

>>514930272
they meant every word.

>>514929112
Alternate idea:
Kill every confederate

>>514923541
The replies to this prove that /nu/ pol are a bunch of bootlicking, spiteful, low-iq cocksuckers who'll gladly lick their masters' boots and hang out their neck to be stepped on so long as said boot steps on a tranny or black first.

>>514930952
idea: deport you back to india

>>514930027
Based

>>514930527
>>514930578
I know they meant every word but that doesn't save your terrible argument, because even if the word you arbitrarily selected were swapped for something else, well-regulated militia still means the same thing, and it does not mean government policy. Nothing is going to save this argument of yours. Smarter people than you have tried to make this argument work, and smart people than them rejected it for a better, more reasonable interpretation.

>>514930993
Yeah, the libertarian flavor has been destroyed by zoomers and gen alpha who think that an authoritarian crackdown on annoying ass liberals, troons, faggots, etc is le based. They don't know and they don't care about about how that same authority can and will be turned against them until they're living in a Trump themed "freedom city" inside a pod and eating bugs from a package with Elon Musk's face on it to own the libs

>>514931120
>more reasonable interpretation
more popular with boomers, I guess. Reasonable, no.

>>514931120
anyway, this letter has well regulated exactly as I have said:
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-01-02-0019

>>514931335
No, reasonable, as in reasoned, and you can read the reasoning in the Heller decision which you obviously have not ever read. Imagine that. Imagine having an opinion about the Second Amendment and not reading the single most important judicial decision about it. They considered ALL of these arguments in that case and addressed them one by one. But none of that matters to you, the diploma mill logician, because you have an outdated, 20th century agenda that has been abandoned by the legal community and the rest of America.

>>514931335
Very well then. Keep fishing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yZDEWz2WV4
Your appetite is insatiable.

>>514931415
That proves our point, not yours. He is referring to something other than government policy by using the term well-regulated. He is referring to the emotion of anger, well-regulated anger. It's almost like this image is accurate >>514930027 and 18th century English speakers didn't use well-regulated to refer to government policy, but more personal and lower ranking matters. It's almost like you're too dumb to speak your own native tongue.

>>514930993
Are you really willing to die on the hill of arming child predators?

>>514931446
They don't even know what kind of document they are reading.

If you think the founders wanted troons and niggers to own guns you're a gay retarded nigger.

>>514931802
Is this where you tell me the Constitution is alive like some sort of creature or plant? You're so basic.

>>514925986
>If you fight back the democrats will [do things they've already done and continue to do]

>>514932013
It's not fighting back. it's surrendering a constitutional right so you can make meaningless headway on a far less important matter.

>>514932013
Explain how setting a precedent that the President can unilaterally disarm large swathes of the population he deems 'mentally ill' is going to beat the Democrats, I'll wait.

>>514931876
>You're so basic.
what's that mean in human?

>>514932100
Stopping trannies from acquiring guns to kill white children is not a less important matter.
>>514932156
>'mentally ill'
Shut up troon. The whole entire world throughout the entirety of recorded history deemed you mentally ill.

>>514932013
If you have fags, you lose your guns.

guns or fags. choose.

>>514932255
You don't have anything interesting to say, just basic paint-by-numbers liberalism. It's thoughtless. You talk about the gun lobby, you've been captured by whatever lobby fed you the crap that bounces around inside your skull. And I'd bet anything that spend more money than the "gun lobby".

>>514931736
Fuck me. I'm 53. I am at the point where I will die in glorious combat rather than have big pharma milk me for gold. Bring it on!

>>514932291
It most certainly is a less important matter. The right to keep and bear arms is timeless and universal to everyone who draws breath, and will be until the end of time. It is a cornerstone of our republic. Trannies are a product of our very silly era and nothing more. Also, it's not even just one constitutional right, it's two, at least. Red flags violate both the Second Amendment and the Fifth Amendment.

>>514932328
by refusing to discuss this, you have invented substantial imaginary portions.

>>514932428
What am I refusing to discuss?

>>514932459
the logic.

>>514932606
But anon, you don't actually know anything about that.

>>514932631
hey, what do I expect, this website is free.

>>514932801
And well-regulated.

>>514932835
whatever that means.

>>514923498 (OP)
>the people that wrote the NFA are standing up for gun rights
when they start using the rights guaranteed by the 2nd as the founders intended instead of just spouting empty rhetoric then i might think about starting to believe

>>514926313
not interested in the opinion of the faggot who helped give us roe v. wade

>>514925479
>Pass law with intent to keep law abiding from guns
>Actually make it illegal for suicidal violent troons, hons, and leftists of all stripes to own guns
>Mfw red flag laws and domestic violence stay orders only manage to do the same
Got what you voted for

Maybe you should have abolished the fucking NFA and GCA in the tax bill like we wanted if you wanted to be able to ACK so badly

>>514923498 (OP)
The founding fathers only intended for white males to own firearms and vote. Niggers were barred from owning guns for a long time. Banning troonies and niggers from owning guns is good.

>>514926978
trust the experts, chud.