Thread 514928522

Why do men blame women no matter whom they choose as a partner? If women look out for a man being 6 foot tall and having a six figure income, men complain that their standards are "unrealistic" and "unfair".

When a woman then has kids with some man, other men will complain that she choose the wrong man, whose genetics made their kids short, dumb and too "dark" (yeah, that's still a thing in colorist circles).

It's really a catch 22 for a woman choosing a partner, you incels will complain no matter what.

How could women ever be to blame for anything?

>>514928522 (OP)
she is unironically right, this is one of the contradictions
in "red pill" ideology if you will
>women need to pick the best men, dont breed with trash its your fault our genetics suck
>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT YOU ARE BEING TOO PICKY WE ARE GOING EXTINCT
it actually made me chuckle when i realized this in private

>>514928522 (OP)
People laugh at women who get impregnated by drug-addicted violent criminal niggers and think they'll just ""fix"""" him.

>>514928655
Because women are well known for picking out the best qualities of a partner. Especially when they're not lusting over serial killers.

>>514928522 (OP)
What does the money have to do with genes? Literally nothing. If you still believe making money = smart you're not paying attention to the world that you're living in. As for height, as a tallfag myself I get chased by womanlets. Tall girls don't even talk to me. But the reality is, if I breed with a womanlet, there go MY genes. Why are you viewing this game through the eyes of a woman? Aren't you a man? Don't your interests come first?

>>514928655
She's not, you're just a nigger that's all.

Arranged marriages were a thing.

>>514928522 (OP)
Wow! Another le epic reddit thread! This wins the internet!

>>514928522 (OP)
Explain why women fuck niggers or shitskin that later on kill them? Why did they pick that nigger?

>>514928522 (OP)
She's equating height with ability to provide. I know it's what she actually thinks but it's funny to see her admit it.

>>514928522 (OP)
woman are heartless anyway, easy targets to take the blame, just like jews when things go south, blame the jews and you will never go wrong.

>>514928655
Which is why each and every real civilization creates monogamy.
That way the "best" (even if for retarded reasons) would be taken off the market and women's hypergamy was limited to what was left. The red pill point of view works fine as long as you still have marriage. Women's liberation wouldn't matter nearly as much either because Chad would get with Stacy (and have a few flings/affair partners, but no where near what's going on now).

>>514928817
>Especially when they're not lusting over serial killers.
So women now also aren't allowed to go for people who got in contact with the law? So they cannot go for six foot, six figure guys, but they cannot go for a man who killed a few people either?
>>514928965
Thanks for the gold, kind stranger.

>>514928655
They aren't picking the best. The extreme height standards are also just a weird abstraction for social status. Tell me why a woman who is 5'2" needs a man who is 6'3" in order to "feel feminine" (or whatever her cope is this week). She will feel perfectly small next to a man who is 5'9" or even less.

Like makeup, the height preferences are just another arms race among women to make each other jealous. Nu-/pol/ is infested with thedonald boomers who never took the evopsych redpill on women. Almost everything women do outwardly is performative and dishonest.

>>514929049
>So women now also aren't allowed to go for people who got in contact with the law? So they cannot go for six foot, six figure guys, but they cannot go for a man who killed a few people either?
Wtf are you talking about kraut? This is your brain on stupid nigger.

>>514929042
Stop absolving women of any agency/responsibility. They get tricked by the jews into destroying society. They are still at fault, even if the jew is even more at fault. Nothing changes until this simp mentality to always coddle women goes away.

>>514928522 (OP)
Color inside the lines retard

>>514928655
women picking from a small pool of men doesnt mean they have good selection criteria

>>514928655
Tell me more about your private chuckles

>>514929049
They can, evidently, go for whoever they want. But if they get into bed with a serial killer, don't come crying to me when they wake up dead. That is the destiny they pursued. Why shouldn't we laugh at them for it?

>>514929052
>The extreme height standards are also just a weird abstraction for social status
>Like makeup, the height preferences are just another arms race among women to make each other jealous.

Yeah, you got it. I think the reason why women nowadays put such an extreme importance on height is social media. They communicate among each other about their partner to brag, and saying "he's 6'3"" is so much more easy to communicate and to compare than basically any other details about the person.
Instagram and Tinder then lead women down the rabbit hole of having arbitrarily high height standards, just so they can get a man that is taller than the guys of their girlfriends.
Totally deranged.

>>514928522 (OP)
Mother's education and intelligence is one of the main factors determining the child's intellectual success.

So if the kid is dumb it is quite literally the mother's fault.

>>514929267
but ackshually.... civilization is dysgenic
cf. your current enslavement
and the artificial selection occurring

>>514929094
>This is your brain on stupid nigger.
I guarantee you watch nigger felon league on Sundays. No room to talk.

>>514928522 (OP)
The solution is simple Just accept a new Culture In which it is socially acceptable for Rich Tall Attractive White Men to have many baby momas.

>>514928817
to resolve the contradiction, simply point out that in nature, women wouldn't "choose"
the concept of "choice" or "liberal sexuality"
is a modern luxury, nothing more

>>514929348
Yeah that's a good point. It is just a very tangible metric they can use to signal that they're better than another girl. It is abhorrent behavior, and it is why every spiritual/philosophical tradition rightfully told us to keep women on a short leash, lest they eat the apple.

How many empires have to die because this was forgotten before we learn for good? I think we'll never learn, because there is always those who are disarmed by soft features/voices.

>>514928522 (OP)
The crux of the issue is that nowadays, even the 666 rule isnt enough. women are just broken brainwashed npcs who cannot be reasoned with.

>>514928522 (OP)
Women are to blame no matter what.

Simple as.

>>514928522 (OP)
I think the real problem is that 4s, 5s, and 6s are trying to go for 8s, 9,s and 10s. It's actually a problem for both men and women. Nobody wants to be honest with themselves and everyone thinks they are more valuable than they actually are.

>>514929052
Women want to improve the genetics of their offspring so they go for outliers. They want to have large, strong children so they pick visibly taller men. Women can’t measure, so realistically a 5’11” man is the same as 6’3” in their eyes, be they don’t know the difference. They just want you to be tall.

>>514928794
How the fuck does Taiwan have a flag on here? You're all gooks to me. Next I'll see something outrageous like a Tassie flag..

>>514929598
That ginger is on some oldboy shit

>>514929598
Red haired bro is just stacking bodies.

>>514928522 (OP)
How does the woman have any greater responsibility in germinating the best offspring than the man does? Maybe if we were back in the caveman days where one alpha male fucked and had babies with all the women while all the other guys were weak cucks who could only watch or challenge him. But nowadays we are (mostly) monogamous.
Both of the sexes can be any value individuals who should seek out high value individuals to breed with. Nowhere does it say only the woman gets to choose. Often it's the man, like if he’s a gigachad and/or rich + powerful

>>514930264
female choice in the modern era is mostly a function of supply and demand
and the differences between male and female biology
furthermore the state having a monopoly on violence alters the incentive environment

>>514930264
Because rampant rape is largely a thing of the past (in the West anyway). Women have full power to open or close their legs at will, no man simply impregnates a woman. It's 100% her choice to allow him to do so. Her choice to select that male.

>>514928655
She's not right.
Women are to blame because they're not picking their match.
>date dumb bad boys
>get dumb bad kids
>women get rightfully blamed

>refuse to date anyone not in the top 5% of men
>population crashes
>women rightfully blamed

An average girl needs to date the average guy.
With marriage in play, as another anon pointed out, the best men were taken off the market and they were forced to settle for the best they could get afterwards (which was average guys then).
However with this sexually promiscuous culture, they can just be one of the top 5% rotating sluts. Women have a lower sex drive in the first place so they don't even see anything wrong with this until they try to rope the guy into committing to them, he ditches them, then they cry "where did all the good men go?"
Note that "good" here doesn't mean nice or kind, it means "high value". "Where did all the top quality guys who were willing to fuck me go?" Because they can't understand that just because a guy is willing to fuck them, he's not willing to commit to them.
The perils of a sexually "open" society.
Now, after having a taste of the "high value" men, when she's inevitably forced to settle for the "average" man, he doesn't measure up and she's unhappy and that gets projected to the relationship. Of course everyone here knows this but it's a long slide into civilizational decline.
Especially because we were dumb enough into giving them the vote.
None of this is even mentioning how their brains are affected due to birth control usage and how that also affects their mate selection behaviors.

>>514928522 (OP)
Because they don't pick a stable man with a reasonable middle class job pulling down 70k a year. They breed either exclusively with men they can never pull for long term (making 250k, 6' tall chads,etc) or breed with bottom rung trash that lives on welfare and contributes nothing for society. Why do average women have a hard time picking an average man instead of some freak?

>>514932562
why should she date the average guy or breed with the average guy? honest question
if you had the choice you would exclusively fuck the hottest women
i agree birth control fucks them up

>>514928655
women are never right you dumbass. People are literally asking women to be REASONABLE not date mental retards or midgets. Jfc her post is just woman logic of shifting blame back to men

>>514933955
most women are average in looks and intelligence

>>514928522 (OP)
>If women look out for a man being 6 foot tall and having a six figure income, men complain that their standards are "unrealistic" and "unfair".
Yes, statistically speaking and emotions aside, that's you're average woman thinking they should, by default, be entitled to access a pool of males which, in most regions, would constitute <1% of the population

So we have ~50% of the population of women (bell curve average) competing for less than <1% of men. I've explained this before, and i'll do it again - if you line 100 starving people up for food, and set out 10 Hot hamburgers and 90 pieces of stale bread, everyone's going to line up for the hamburgers. This is not a gender specific issue, this is a retards with access to way too many fucking menu items problem - everyone want's a very limited number of items, but will eventually settle for more or less anything, if the circumstances are dire

Right now, the Government shells out metric fucktons of pussymoney to women for free, for existing (which men almost exclusively subsidize) so the women have 0 reason to do the female equivalent of get the fuck out of bed, put down the potato chips and raise a fucking family. The Government knows hijacking the female vote is so stupid easy a child could do it, so they don't want to fuck with a huge chunk of their voter base of which they can essentially instruct how to vote and think

A vast majority of men are left with what is often not more than table scraps, they have to meet stringent criteria to even enter the competition, let alone "shoot their shot" or whatever the hens cooing about now. That leaves mostly rich assholes, cucks, and retards left, but then by the end of it fucking 80% of them get wealth transferred anyways so what the fuck

It's not even the women, you can't really blame them for the behavior fuck anybody would do this but honestly holy shit, they're all fat like what the actual fuck

>>514928655
Literally just marry any white man who has a job.
Yes, that includes computer software nerds.

>>514928522 (OP)
Society blame women when they choose wife beaters, deadweights and men who show 0 signs of commitments, not when they don't marry the Gigacha bilionaire.

>>514928522 (OP)
>colorist
This reddit post was written by a jeeta.

>>514933989
yes but even average women have access to large numbers of sexual partners
and some are above average
modern women are so inundated with resources and sexual offers >>514934004
their life is literally too easy to even bother getting out of bed for the most part
i noticed there are obese women who are in long term relationships
have jobs receive govt support
so, how are men even supposed to be competitive
in an environment like this?

>>514932562
>Women ignore the herd of okay guys who would have given everything for her
>date dumb bad boys
>get dumb bad kids
>women get rightfully blamed

>Women ignore the herd of okay guys who would have given everything for her
>refuse to date anyone not in the top 5% of men
>population crashes
>women rightfully blamed
Is there anything that women can do to make the right choice? It doesn't seem so.

>>514928655
The thing is, women usually aren't breeding with the guys they pick either. It's casual sex or long term relationship sex with no kids. Hence the low birth rate.
The fundamental flaw in tradcuck ideology is the idea that you can shame most guys into being what women desire (the top 2-5 percent) and tradcucks think this hasn't happened yet not because it's impossible, but because of some retarded reason like "video games" or "guys have too much freedom" etc etc.

>>514934381
correct, you cannot compensate for inferior genetics

>>514928522 (OP)
Do you think it might be because women choose their partners and because it's not the other way around? I mean, if i had my choice I would just do what Leonardo Dicaprio does and bang a hot chick until I get tired of her and then move onto the next. If people told me I made a bad choice dating the wrong woman I would just laugh at them.

>>514934381
Redpill: men want to be desired by women and will fit what women collectively want. When women wanted hardworking men who want to engage for life, we had trad men, not because men wanted to be tradmen but because they had to to not stay alone. In Korea, women want inoffensive and weak newmale and that's what they are.
One of the core rule of behaviorism is that people do what work.

Modern women are why the good men are gone.

>>514928522 (OP)

Misogynist rhetoric on pol is poison-pilled in the sense that woman must remain loyal, chaste, beautiful and sexually available while men can be broke , fat, ugly losers.

Sure buddy. Keep seething. You want a real tradwife? Become a tradman. If you own a single T shirt that's not for the gym, you are the faggot I am talking about.

>>514928522 (OP)
>It's really a catch 22 for a woman choosing a partner, you incels will complain no matter what.
No it's easy, don't choose just off pussy tingles since that seems to make cunts choose dumb, violent, stupid, dark and dysgenic.
Anyone that chooses a nigger deserves what they get.

>>514934247
>how are men even supposed to be competitive in an environment like this?
It wouldn't be nearly as bad if like ~40% of them weren't obese and the rest. Back in your Grandpa's day he could stroll down to the local soda shop as and young lad, and set his interest on what would have been almost any available women, they'd all be no more than a bit chubby, well mannered, feminine and excited about the prospect of a family

Now they get just get knocked up and force every other taxpayer in a 500km radius to subsidize the piss out of their illegitimate - it doesn't matter if they just crank out a kid and shit the bed on motherhood or bitch about having to do (their own) laundry or whatever, the Government will make sure the male is punished accordingly and any available wealth transferred to the women

Now, there's so fucking many of them they all band together like some kind of weird militant coven and try to pressgang any male not yet financially eviscerated into paying his net worth for the privilege of misbehaved bastard children and a hollow marriage

>>514928655
but they arent choosing the best partner
the average woman never reproduces anymore in any developed country

there isnt a single developed coutnry where the average person is having children on average

>>514934549
Men have a desire to fuck, and men have a desire to have a purpose and a responsibility. This is why we invented monogamy: it solve both issue and we can get the beta men to do more than subsistence farming.
Marriage is civilization.

>>514933955
>why would she date the average guy
because the high value guy is out of her league, and normally, in marriage based society, she may attempt to court him sure but she will get turned down and that's that.
She would date the average guy then, because it's either him or the low value guy.
I.e. no other options.

But with casual sex, the high value guy won't mind fucking her because he doesn't need to commit to her / marry her, so whynot.png
This fills her head with false ideas as to her own value, she wastes her good years chasing phantom fantasies, and now she's bitter, old, and alone. Unless she finally "settles" for her male counterpart in which case she's bitter, old, and feeling like she was cheated by life, in no small part due to her pair bonding ability being destroyed by fucking so many men.

>>514928522 (OP)
So basically, a woman is saying women have no choice but to be hypergamic because of social pressure from other women who judge them for their mate choices.
The solution is clear: deny women the right of judgment. We used to have this swept under the rug with edicts against gossip. Now we live in a world dominated by feminine gossip.
So the further solution is clear: deny women access to the Internet.
While we're there, deny them the right to vote, the right to own property, the right to work, and all reproductive rights, all of which will be managed by the men in their family.
See, it's so easy to solve problems women invent, since they are incapable of solving those problems on their own.
> what if someone judges me?
What if you, someone incapable of agency, were treated as someone without agency?

>>514929028
Anything is better than whitey

>>514934247
I need to be very clear here with you.
>why should she date the average guy or breed with the average guy?
>so, how are men even supposed to be competitive
These are two VERY different questions.
The first one is addressing the matter of female motivation. The second one is addressing the matter of male reaction to the current situation.
Female motivation and male (re)action are very different questions.
Female motivation and male motivation are also different topics, and that's using the same second word, and you're not even asking about that.

>what can men do to be competitive
This was already explained above so I won't go into much depth here.
You are asking two different things with your second question: what can men do "now", and what did men do in the ideal scenario.
As far as what men can do now, honestly, not much. You have to make an emotional connection and hope for the best. But even being given the opportunity to make an emotional connection is rare.
In our previous society where casual sex was shunned, the top value men were quickly scooped up by the top value women (more or less), so you average men WERE the "top value men (in regards to what was left)".
The problem is two fold: overexposure to so many different people + promiscuity.
The women are becoming part time whores hoping to use their sexual "prowess" to make the men fall in love with them, believing they're "special". They give everything of themselves only to be utterly rejected when he breaks it off because there are 10 more women willing to spread their legs hoping to get him to fall for them as well.

The answer was society enforced monogamy. This is why women were once the biggest opponents of prostitution and sluts, because it hurt THEIR position.

>>514936006
people are over complicating the issue

women dont get prengant because they are on hormonal birth control

women dont get married because the government guarantees them security through the welfare state, it genuinely doesnt matter to a woman because she isnt reliant on family support systems like she would be historically

i think the marriage problem and the fertility problem are differnet problems

A woma who continues to have sex without birth control, will simply get pregnant, anyone who says otherwise is a retard, if you jail anyone who performs abortions, there will be no abortions

You could change the birth rate of any country on earth in literally like 1 month, but no one is either competent enough to understand this, or is too obessed with judaism to do it

>>514934280
>Is there anything that women can do to make the right choice? It doesn't seem so.
Yes you retard, it was the third not stated option there.
If "women date guys below them = bad", and "women date guys above them = bad", then obviously the correct answer is "date guys on their level".
>Is there anything women can do to make the right choice?
Yes, "have self awareness". Which means the average woman is doomed.
The average woman CAN NOT make the right choice for herself because she lacks this self awareness, that is why society collectively made it for her, but enforcing a shame based culture to stop them from slutting it up, as well as forcing access to sex primarily behind marriage.

>>514934381
Whereas before the subject was society, this is now nature. People will rarely choose "responsibility", but they will always choose pleasure. This is why child making was behind the subconscious seeking of pleasure via the act of sex, and not behind some conscious "is it the right time? Hmm, I wonder, let me think about it for a few more years".
Don't give them choice. No birth control.
If they decide to lose themselves to passion, congrats you have a higher fertility rate again.

>>514934549
>Do you think it might be because women choose their partners and because it's not the other way around?
No. Because one very simple reason:
> I mean, if i had my choice
You don't have your choice, because you aren't high value (most likely, based on your statement). You are the average man, and thus you take what you can get.

>>514934917
>casual wear bad
lmao.

>>514936256
>You could change the birth rate of any country on earth in literally like 1 month, but no one is either competent enough to understand this, or is too obessed with judaism to do it
I will explain:
The elites want a simple world with a small, controllable population of tan colored reliably ~85IQ people just smart enough to be left unattended and survive but stupid enough to be lead about their pastures without ever noticing or caring who or what the rancher is - ideally they would be too stupid to even conceptualize that.

They've got it all figured out. They're gunna pay the smart people hand over fist to churn out AI slop to the point where some kind of acceptable threshold is reached, then they're going to slowly ease off the population until that magic 500 million starts coming into view and let the AI take over, and they want it so the population is hopelessly dependent on the AI - nothing new ever gets invented or discovered, it doesn't need to be and the Elites go in living in an entirely separate reality where they isolate and maximize their genes using CRISPR to the point where in a couple generations they would be effectively gods

Then they just sit back, let the cows fuck occasionally and be sure to throw them enough cud they don't start getting pissy with each other and there you go, you have your own goofy and retarded little minecraft world to do whatever the fuck you please with until you inevitably get bored and decide to try and fuck an alien in which case whatever happens after that is nobody else's fault but their own

>>514936256
>i think the marriage problem and the fertility problem are differnet problems
You are correct, but also not correct.
It's a venn diagram.
The women don't mind "dating around" because they get sex when they want because they're on birth control. They satisfy their itch for cock whenever they want at zero risk, to then continue playing the dating game until they satisfy their mental position.
Without the birth control, they wouldn't date for several years because they're human and humans want sex. They would be forced to either have dangerous sex and get pregnant (which they, for the most part, wouldn't risk) or they would get married to finally have the sex they crave.

>
women dont get married because the government guarantees them security through the welfare state, it genuinely doesnt matter to a woman because she isnt reliant on family support systems like she would be historically
This is also true and I have nothing to add onto it.

>You could change the birth rate of any country on earth in literally like 1 month, but no one is either competent enough to understand this, or is too obessed with judaism to do it
Also correct. While I agree the jews are largely to blame, in this case the issue is more the west's obsession with "freedom" (while turning a blind eye to almost every country in the west save the US* now arresting people for mean things said on social media but being very critical of china and russia doing the same like the hypocrites they are).
* The US will still do whatever they can if you speak out on Israel, going so far as to draft new laws about it.

If I had to summarize the west's issues succinctly: they are sacrificing the country for the individual, not even caring where the individual is from as evident by the rampant migration.

Stop complaining. Start breeding. Quit being so selfish and stop thinking about yourself. Think about boomer stonks and house prices.

>>514937125
>Think about boomer stonks and house prices.
That's what's keeping me from breeding

I have a *real* fix, but nobody is going to like it:
>Allow the citizen to opt out of tax applications in lieu of service
>Police, ambulance and fire are mandatory
>You pay for what you use
>Drive a car: Road tax
>Don't drive a car: No road tax
>No kids: No taxes for education, welfare, all of that stuff
>Kids: Mandatory taxes for education, welfare, all that stuff
>100% of women will opt into the "oh but the kids" tax bracket
>Single, fatherless men will pay near 0 taxes, as they are using near 0 services, allowing them to thrive
>Women will have to pay for each other's mistakes
>They will not be happy, and will immediately begin a public shaming campaign against bad mothers shitting out kids and eating up the resources
>Women are their own worst enemy, it will turn into "save it for the widows" "stay married, I want my free gibs!"
>They'll all try to block each other from using the system to maximize their own benefits and will use social stigma to do so
>Good women in genuine trouble will receive the help they need
>Shitty women will be strongly avoided by single, tax free men
>Women will immediately readjust from "fuck you, pay me" to "lets just stay married" overnight
>Men will notice a drastic increase in the quality and attitude of women, and will happily settle with whichever gumball happens to roll out of the slot

This system will keep the most vulnerable aloft will reducing tolerance for predatory and parasitic behaviour while allowing young men to quickly amass they types of income and status needed to facilitate the rearing of a family and homestead

There's gunna be shitloads of poor quality single mothers screaming about this, but that's how you fix it

>>514928655
>drug dealer Jamal is too picky

I'm of the opinion that women should not be selecting their partners because they choose the wrong guy every single time.

>>514932562
This is the gist of it well done on the accurate doom-pilling


The ruination of all things pure in this world:

Who is most responsible? Men in general but the true MVP of ruining women and thus most everything good about this existence? You should need but 1 guess.

- Feminism --- 90% Jews
- Women's Suffrage --- Jewish politician driven, Jew Women Organized, Jew Newspaper Driven
- "The Pill" Inventor --- Jew
- Anti-Slut shaming --- 100% Jew media & Pop culture driven
- Promotion of niggers as desirable via pop culture(entertainment & sports) --- 100% Jews
- Making niggers millionaires on every college campus via paying 70IQ athletes 6 & 7-figures where they become the "big man on campus" and taint ~10% to 25% of brainwashed College aged women
- The "BBC" meme(absolute myth to any realistic degree a few centimeters on average difference) --- 100% a Jew owned porn industry creation out of whole cloth
- Destroying men and women's brains with porn and making society obsessed with casual soul-destroying sex --- Jew pop-culture/Hollywood Jew
- I could keep going for pages and pages.....

Honestly, the upcoming tribulation will be these people being brought to heel via God's wrath. Make plenty of popcorn it will be pure righteous justice.

>>514928655
tens of millions of single mothers indicate that women fucking suck at 'picking' anything at all