Thread 515140244

Christianity is a form of anti-European, anti-White slave morality that is hostile to life itself. For the White race to live, Kikestianity must go.

Cope

>>515140326
thats an interesting response for somebody that doesnt belong

>>515140326
wonder how many kids he fucked

>>515140244 (OP)
It's already on its way out, and it's being replaced with neoliberal creationist which retains the worst qualities of Christianity in an even more distilled form. Unless you're going to post an alternative system, you're essentially handing more Whites over to nigger worship and racial self-flagellation.

>>515140326
He was suppressed by his own bishop and forced to spend the remainder of his life in obscurity. It's a great example of the church protecting kikes and silencing Whites

>>515140471
*neoliberal creationism

>>515140244 (OP)
True. Notice how when people could actually read the Bible they became more cucked. How the more recently they were pagan they were better, but the more generations of cucktianity they went through the worse it all got.

>>515140244 (OP)
theres no bigger endorstment of total TJWD than jews being 100% for it

>>515140244 (OP)
Europe was relevant only when it was Christian.

>>515140447
Fuck you, Coughlin is so based

>>515140244 (OP)
>ever-living gods
kek that didn't age well, fagans are always losers

>>515140681
It was relevant when it got out from under the thumb of the Church. Only when kings no longer had to swear fealty to the Pope did European powers expand and conquer the globe.

>>515140244 (OP)
>WHITE POWERRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>515140244 (OP)
Christianity appeals to the Aryan soul in its altruism, self-sacrifice, nobility and sexual ethics. Even the Faustian spirit finds expression in Christianity — witness the skyward cathedrals and the ethereal music of Bach.

>>515140776
imagine taking the time out of your day to pretend to speak for a god just to claim he said that other gods dont exist

>>515140244 (OP)
Europe was extremely pro-European and pro-White for almost 2000 years while being extremely Christian. Human civilization reached its highest peaks in Christian Europe.
Things in Europe only began going to shit when Europe became less Christian and more secular.
There is literally an inverse correlation between how Christian Europe was, and how many brown shitskins invaded and how much judeo-globohomo was happening there.

>>515141012
The first Christians were brown Levantines and Berbers

"We will have to deal with Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in our history, which has weakened us in every conflict. If our generation does not do it then it would I think drag on for a long time. We must overcome it within ourselves."
~ Heinrich Himmler

>>515141012
boring npchristian tier reply, bot tier, will not in a million years touch the actual history of christianity, how for centuries it existed largely outside of Europe and to this day has led to no such views in countries where it existed for much longer than Europe
you are terrorized to deal with the fact that Europe's success has nearly nothing to do with christianity, an that rather christianity piggybacked the emerging Roman-Germanic civilization of the former WRE

>>515141012
keep lying spambot loser, maybe someday you'll trick someone

>>515140244 (OP)
i am beginning to notice christian majority countries haven't learned to abolish the practice of money lending and borrowing in 2000 years. why don't muslim or communist countries have the jewish problem we do?

How do you explain European history from christ upto the french revolution? One could legitimately argue that it's the dechristianisation of Europe that has destroyed it

>>515140817
Europe was so Christian that they were still burning people at the stake for heresy for not being Christian enough, or being the wrong kind of Christian into the 1600s. There were still sporadic witch burnings until the early modern era. In 1944, a woman in Scotland was convicted under the Witchcraft Act of 1735.

>>515141012
thats sounds like something a founder might shoot you for saying

>>515140244 (OP)
Paganism IS liberalism, always has been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orgu5nBCueQ

>>515141443
The only Europeans who have ever mattered (and still today the only ones that matter) were the White Christian ones.
Atheists and other anti-Christians are the scum of the Earth, no better than the jews

>>515141768
dechristianization is missing the tree for the forest, there was also an extreme christianization in reality after the reformation, when we went from a largely paganistic medieval to renaissance Europe to the unleashing of heavily scripture based attempts to return to OG christianity particularly in the protestant world; the most printed book to this day after he invention of the printing press? the bible, yet you won't associate that with the state of the modern world
moreover, there was no explicit war against christianity because in reality you had a gradual transformation in northern Europe into the current morality of secular liberalism

>>515141593
nazism is dead outside of tatted up prison gangs comprised of meth dealers.

>>515142228
this nigga doesnt heil hitler
ngmi kek lmao

>>515141646
>how for centuries it existed largely outside of Europe
>countries where it existed for much longer than Europe
WTF are you talking about? Christianity began spreading into Europe almost immediately after the crucifixion. Some of the earliest Christian groups were established in Greece and Italy. There were Christians in Rome early enough that they get mentioned several times in the books of New Testament.
By 100AD, there were about 7,000-10,000 Christians in the Roman Empire.
>you are terrorized to deal with the fact that
No, I am definitely not, you are clearly a retard.
>Europe's success has nearly nothing to do with christianity,
Christianity was the primary factor by far for European success. Almost all of the greatest achievements of Europe were made by Christians either working directly for or on behalf of the Christian church, or for the glory of the Christian God. White European Christians conquered the furthest corners of the globe in the name of Christianity. Science was created by Christians working for the church who were trying to better understand God by studying His' Creation. The greatest European art was created by Christians, predominantly with Christian themes.

>>515142349
hitler was an embarrassment.
he paraded Christian values to manipulate the german public, but in private he mocked the faith, sneering at the cross alongside his drug-addled inner circle.
his so-called thousand year reich crumbled in just 12 years, ending not in glory but in disgrace.
he died cowering in a bunker, choosing the coward's way out over accountability.
he left behind a legacy of ruin, a shattered europe, millions dead, and a name so toxic it turned white nationalism into a global pariah.
what he built was not pride, but shame, a grotesque distortion of identity that poisoned generations.
his failure wasn't just military or political, it was moral, existential, and absolute.

a pure and utter garbage human being.

>>515142981
>the books of New Testament
pure fiction with no real historical basis

Christianity was a big reason why the Roman Empire fell in the first place. the further weakness of Christians today is also why Islam is on the rise all over the world.

a farse and falsity of a belief. utterly devoid of anything other than weakness and servility to guilt.

>>515142981
>Christianity was the primary factor by far for European success
stopped reading, won't explain ethiopia, will constantly try to piggyback us, due to his vile skin color
>The greatest European art was created by Christians
please explain in absolute detail how we Italians, inheritors of Greek tradition, ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY made art because of what levantine jews wrote in christian books

>>515140244 (OP)
Meet the real Julian

>>515142981

This so much. I was once on board with the Jew shilling about Christianity. But truth is while there was Jewish influence there was as much of a Greek and Latin influence on it. One could argue a lot of the philosophical foundations of Christianity come equally as much from Greek paganism. Not to mention if you actually read the NT, yes it was intended for a reform for Jews but they rejected and persecuted anyone that pushed it meanwhile gentiles ended up largely adopting it and thrived for centuries. Say what you want but Christianity did a lot of good for Europe and the West at large when it was more strictly practiced. The Jew thing is purely a cope for someone that’s been entirely demoralized and lives an empty life TBQH. Unironically, go back to church and tell me you don’t feel better after a few weeks of attendance.

this is absolute proof that globohomo is created ad led by christians, see, it says right there, they are christian, therefore globohomo is a creation of christians and christianity

>>515140681
...according to christian historians

>>515140244 (OP)
Exactly. There is only SOL. The one true God above human opinion and wiki editing.

>>515142228
>nazism is dead outside of tatted up prison gangs comprised of meth dealers.

keep telling yourself that Jew.

Reminders:
>The essence of Christianity is Truth + Love
>This alone mass triggers terminally neurotic LARPers online
>Lefties think that Love means basal empathy and take it as overriding Truth (e.g. lie for the sake of trans people, pursue self-destructive policies, etc.) yet are devoid of love and in such need of it in their day to day life
>Righties think that Truth means acting unlovingly (might makes right, crushing the weak) yet they lie to themselves regarding their own pettiness and insecurity, always blaming others for their problems, succumbing to the urge to act cruel to others, not realizing that it controls them and thus makes them weak

>>515144441
what do you even like so much about this manlet failure?

>>515140681
Then why does christianity dress itself in the clothes of Rome, and espouse the wisdom of the Greeks in the language of the Germanics?

>>515140681
Yeah, Europe was just a pointless backwater that accomplished nothing before they started praying to Rabbi Yeshua.

>>515140244 (OP)
Niggers have master morality BY DEFINITION

>>515144688
people who had this advanced physics ABSOLUTELY needed the scribbles of a sandnigger gypsy scammer race known for 0 achievements whatsoever and if you deny it you are one of said sandniggers!

>>515141900
The Scythians and Egyptians were liberals?

>>515143534
>pure fiction with no real historical basis
No, you are just a completely retarded brainlet.
>Christianity was a big reason why the Roman Empire fell in the first place.
The Western Roman Empire was already heading towards collapse well before Christianity, primarily due to the expansion and absorption of so many different ethnic groups, creating a population that had no shared, unifying beliefs.
Also, even after Rome itself fell, the Roman Empire continued to exist in the east in a very Christian form for another 1000 years.
>the further weakness of Christians today is also why Islam is on the rise all over the world.
The strength of Christianity and Christians during the middle ages is what stopped and pushed back the expansion of Islam into Europe.

>>515144688
Now post the same thing with modern day Europe with the void of Christianity. Can’t just pick and choose when it suits your distorted world views chud.

>>515143784
>tried to get the jews to fuck off back to where they claim to have come from
Now do Constantine, what did he do about the jews? And how helpful was he with regards to the general population of Rome, the folk?

>>515144898
> B-b-but muh way paganism!!
> B-b-but it’s da Joo psyop trust me

>>515144607
gratz on splatting against the great filter :^)

>>515140681
You were literally founded by Roman pagans, retard.

>>515141012
>muh civilization
There is your problem.

>>515145038
>tried to help the jews rebuild the Temple
>stop their exile
>directly team up with kike to target Christianity
Constantine?
You know what's funny about Constantine?
He only started expulsing jews AFTER the Roman Empire conversion to Christianity.

>>515144902
how many weeks until 99% christian church going zambia shows us the way forward by becoming a cultural and civilizational superpower? hell, how long does it take for ethiopia, or armenia, or the entire continent of monkeys christians have created in south america 500 years ago?

>>515140326
Whoa I guess that guy gets a participation trophy. One religion is responsible for our current state: Judaism. Christianity is just an offshoot that lubes goy assholes for Jewish cock.

>>515140244 (OP)
>Roman Emperor Constantine
Roman Emperor Constantine
>Roman Emperor Constantine
Roman Emperor Constantine
>Roman Emperor Constantine
Roman Emperor Constantine
>Roman Emperor Constantine
Roman Emperor Constantine

>>515144902
That isn't true, the meek inherited the Earth, that's what he promised, right? Even atheists believe in the christian precepts of universal egalitarianism, jews just got to the point that the basic subversive core tenets of christianity were so thoroughly engrained that they could pull the mask off and go full bolshevik. Why couldn't christianity keep jews out of Europe, ever? The kings almost never allowed them to pay for their crimes, either. They shielded them from the people, and "exiled" them to the next town over. For a thousand years, and then after the French (((revolution))) they just gave up.

>>515141012
sure thing

>>515145347
>expulsing
saaaaaaaaaaar, he made their clergy exempt from taxation saaaaaaar, you can't do that to someone you just expelled

>>515145485
imagine being so brainless you get psyoped into believing the religion the jews hate the most is in fact a jewish religion
thousand of years of history of Jews trying to destroy Christianity
a bunch of 60IQ mystery meats from an hedonistic and consumerist decadent society more resembling the Roman Empire than anything else pretend Christianity was in fact just a jewish tool
>>515145779
>saaaaaaaaarrrrrr
Indian are pagans
your kin not mine brown thing

>>515140244 (OP)
true. RETVRN TO PAGANISM WHITE MAN
>>>515125345

>>515145142
me not liking a grifting genocidal coked up failed art student who lost a world war 80 years ago is what's holding humanity back from traversing the stars? walk me through that logic.

>>515145945
your group need 4 - 5 more threads you only have what 12 right now?
how are you guys going to groom the next school shooter if you don't increase the spam

>>515140244 (OP)
You are not White, stop LARPing you rat-faced canaanite jewnigger.

>>515144902
>whatabout atheist Europe
not a valid argument. The initial argument was that Europe was only relevant when it was Christian.
The existence of Greek Bactria, a century before Christ was born, proves otherwise.

>>515140471
He got raided by the FBI and had his radio license shut down before the war

>>515145863
Non Whites do not have the souls/mental ability to have religion. Hinduism as known and practiced by subcontinentals is a cargo cult, and has been for well over a thousand years. No non White wants Whites to return to racially exclusive belief systems, that would void all future gibs. Why else did jeet shamans of the early 20th century decry Germanic "paganism", and send their prayers to Jesus for the duration of the war?
So you only believe jews when they tell you they hate something you like? What's stopping them from lying to you about that?

>>515146089
Yea, jews loooove Romans, amirite?

Aside from jeets, the pagan spam comes from weird lolcow trannies and cosplayers that probably smell like onions irl

>>515144902
here you go
>nooo that's not modern
>nooo nazis were christcucks
wrong
https://x.com/Ehrenkrieg2

>>515146500
Hitler called neopagans not only useless, but harmful and subversive to his movement
Go cosplay as a Viking somewhere else

reminder this shit colored christian dog >>515146459 is a vile brown Sambo from aperica, like 99% of christian spammers on /pol/

>>515146248
when you have to do mental gymnastic to explain your argument you're dumb
>muh not real paganism
you're not even able to acknowledge what Julian did wrong
in fact your whole side (the BAP, Raw Egg Nationalist, Zero HP Lovecraft) Roman Empire pagan revival are made of slimy Jews acting like subversive filth.
The only peoples you convince are other homosexual and fashion victims

>>515140244 (OP)
>Christianity is a form of anti-European
Look I hate all the Abrahamic religions just as anyone, but Christianity and a white Europe goes hand in hand.

antiChristians who hate nazism:
>uhhh hitler invoked God in his speeches, the weimer constitution invoked 'Gott.' over 95% of germans were baptized lutherans or catholics. the churches were complicit.
>therefore Christianity is inherently authoritarian and is bad.

antiChristians who like nazism:
>uhh hitler privately despised Christianity as a "weak jewish slave morality." himmler and hess were into occult paganism. the regime persecuted confessing Christians like bonhoeffer,
>therefore Christianity is a weak obstacle to power and is bad.

annoying.

>>515146711
is there one non-italian race realist in this thread who considers italians white?

>>515146609
he was talking about cowards looking to the past instead of the future. read the link if you care about the truth, memeflag

>>515147625
it's hilarious you think an Italian gives a shit about the racial theories of people who turned their countries into this and the local kalergian fauna that spams chimpstianity on /pol/

>>515147752
>he hasn't used the term white once in this thread
fair point.
it's just weird you're insulting people by calling them brown when you're also brown.

>>515147994
I know what I am and I guarantee you I don't need to slab flour on my face to pass as a human as you do every morning, lil Sambo

>>515140244 (OP)
Christianity is the opposite of slavery. You can discern this from studying the KJV bible. It puts Jesus as your high priest removing any need for a priest, pope, or other potentate. Jesus was upset with religion, even his own religion that he was born into so much that he protested is and was killed for his beliefs. He fought and died for your freedom.

>>515148113
here's my eye and beautiful eyebrow
what race am i?

>>515148219
albino homo naledi

>>515148219
why not show the rest of your beautiful brow?

>>515140244 (OP)
I know you guys are really really mad at God for giving you a penis but please stop shooting children

>>515140244 (OP)
Your shitty inbred race is going extinct anyway Timmy <3

>>515148369
impressive bushiness.

>>515146813
>equates racial distinctions to mental gymnastics
I am desperate for intelligent shills. And moreover, you just listed three non Whites, all three of whom have kvetched when Whites act in the interest of only other Whites. Your version of christianity that you use here does not exist in any real quantity, and certainly cannot be replicated across the White world. If you cannot accept that all things in the natural world are downstream from race, there is no way forward.

>>515140244 (OP)
Jews are not the problem, Emperor Julian was right. We need to work with Jews to destroy the christcucks.

>>515148543
>equates racial distinctions to mental gymnastics
>the Roman Empire had only Roman in it
>racial bro
you're a fucking clown
you look at history like a woman read a romance

>>515140244 (OP)
Bullshit. We reached zenith of conquest under peak Christian fanaticism.
We only erode under this this globohomo secular gayshit and you know it.

>>515141646
>Europe's success has nearly nothing to do with christianity
>NEARLY
haha! You can't even fully commit. You directly confirmed that SOME success was duty to Christianity, you're just coping about how much.
Whites and Europe would still have been successful without Christianity, no rational Christian denies that, but the fact is Christianity has been a very significant catalyst for European success.
It's like a white kid with good genes and terrible parents vs the same white kid with good genes and great parents
99/100 times the latter is going to be more successful
Christianity in Europe has been like having good parents right up until the latter part of the 20th century when boomers came to power.
Pagan European societies were disgustingly immoral and openly celebrated and encouraged white-on-white killing in numerous ways and there is no analogogue with Christianity no matter how much anti-Christ jews lie through their teeth.

The greatest thing that ever happened to the white race was getting rid of paganism.

You're welcome to claim the NEXT greatest thing would be "getting rid of Christianity" but you sure can't prove anything else would be better. That's why kikes never offer a better alternative outside of a vague wish list of things like "pro white religion!" that has never existed and never could.

>>515149131
>kikes never offer a better alternative
Of course a christkike is sitting around waiting for jews to give him alternative to the first religion they gave him.

>>515149131
you still utterly and completely fail to show a single direct piece of evidence of the necessity of christianity specifically in any of the questioned aspects of society but keep tiptoeing around a vague "it was christian therefore due to christianity o algo" while therefore your concession is accepted
one can definitely say that it's only because of christianity that we consider brown racemixed animals like you worth of life and more than your weight as fertilizer

>>515149131
Christianity basically cloaked Europe in a shroud of darkness. Any dissenters killed, any free thinkers killed. Books and history destroyed. Free thought annihilated. It's literally just Islam, not much difference.

>>515140244 (OP)
Christianity is not Jewish.
Human flesh is never a valid sacrifice but Christians are still wrong even if we grant it for the sake of argument:
>Clearly, not any spilled blood is accepted by the Torah as a sacrifice. Jesus' crucifixion may qualify as an atonement according to the Greek Testament, but since his blood was not offered on the altar, it is not in line with what the Torah mandates.
>There are actually several other factors which would render the crucifixion of Jesus an unacceptable sacrifice. According to the Biblical rules in Leviticus, all sacrifices had to be offered by a Priest who descends from Aaron. This was not the case in the death of Jesus, who was crucified by Roman soldiers. Additionally, Biblical law prohibited any sacrifice which was blemished or maimed (Leviticus 22:19-21). However, prior to his crucifixion, Jesus was whipped and beaten (Matthew 27:26, Mark 15:19, John 19:3) which would render him unfit. Furthermore, Jesus was circumcised in the flesh, which according to Philippians 3:2 and Galatians 5:12 is considered mutilation.
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/leviticus-1711/

>>515148645
>ignores everything
>like a woman read a romance
>had only Roman in it
lulz cloaca gentium it is, I knew you weren't White

>>515149823
>never
It was that one time in 33ad

>>515145863
They hate it so much

>>515149547
>you still utterly and completely fail to show a single direct piece of evidence of the necessity of christianity
How are you this illiterate? I said whites would be successful without Christianity. I honestly thought you weren't a kike but I'm having second thoughts
>while therefore your concession is accepted
Kek. All you did was make an ESL strawman and seethed. Pathetic
>brown racemixed animals like you
You called the other anon brown and he's white with blue eyes
You're a brown seething jew that has no argument

The fact is you said "Europe's success has nearly nothing to do with christianity"

Hence you admitted some success is due to Christianity.

>>515149635
>Christianity basically cloaked Europe in a shroud of darkness
Made up cope

>>515149321
>a christkike
I don't know what these words you jews make up mean so the rest of your cope makes no sense. Use words found in a dictionary
Whatever it means you're clearly seething over something.

>>515151621
Yeah, Hitler lost the war unfortunately

>>515151712
They really do

>>515151500
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point. Try finishing the complete sentence next time.

>>515140244 (OP)
THE FINAL DESTRUCTION OF PAGANISM

DIONYSUS LOST
JESUS WON

>>515141012
Christianity destroyed the roman empire and plunged europe into a dark age. it wasnt until the renaissance when people began to learn how to read again and dug up old Roman stuff that Europe reached its golden age. Despite this, Christians still managed to increase the nigger and kike population to unheard numbers and spread them all over the world and managed to make whites a tiny global minority.

>>515140244 (OP)
Tongue my anus shlomo

>>515144599
Daily reminder that you are brown

>>515140244 (OP)
>>515151937

>>515151828
That just proves that Jews play both sides, retard

>>515140326
He wasn’t an anti-Semite; he was just telling the truth about Jews.

MGYS4

>>515140244 (OP)
>>515151937
>>515152192

>>515143784
>>515145347
Your outrage over the idea of jews rebuilding the temple proves Julian's point. Julian couldn't have cared less about the jews. To him, they were probably nothing more than child mutilating sub-humans. Christians were the ones who believed in silly jewish prophesies.

>2pbtid
Shiggy diggy

>>515146711
Which one in the picture is you, Mario? Are you in a LGBTQ witches coven too?
I’m white with blue eyes and denounce all
Faganism and LARPing

>>515152141
Nah, this what Christian hating lamebrains want to believe.

>>515140244 (OP)
>slave morality
translation
>I saw a YouTube video by a neo-Nazi that vaguely mentioned Nietzsche

>>515152278
>That just proves that Jews play both sides
So you admit your pic means nothing and therefore you're a shill
Gotcha

>>515140244 (OP)
Christianity created western civilization. You're brown and not european.

Hitler on faganism

>>515152647
>Master Morality
>"What is good for me is 'good,' and what is bad for me is 'bad.'

>Slave Morality (Christianity)
>"What the jewish rabbi says is good is 'good,' and what the jewish rabbi says is bad is 'bad.'

>>515152952
>"What is good for me is 'good,' and what is bad for me is 'bad.'
that's really your moral framework?

>>515152952

If Christianity was how you describe it, then how did they remove the islamic hordes from Spain?

>>515151735
>Use words found in a dictionary
Here's one you're familiar with.
>a person who illicitly uses methamphetamine and especially crystal meth
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tweaker

>>515140244 (OP)
Based.

The true god of Europe is Mammon.

>>515152614
that is your opinion but mine is objectively true and is demonstrated by the current state of Christianity and the world

>>515153287
>screenshotting your own post

>>515153782
Wasn't my own post, christcuck troon!

>>515153146
>that's really your moral framework?
Not necessarily, but that is "master morality" in its purest form.

For example:
Looking at an attractive woman makes me feel good, so I conclude that it is 'good.'

Rabbi Yeshua, on the other hand, claims that looking at an attractive woman is bad. It might make you feel good, but it is 'bad' simply because Rabbi Yeshua says that it is bad.

What do you believe?

>>515140688
checked hh

>>515146609
>>515147698
>no answer, keeps shilling
making a thread of this so lurkers can see what a dishonest faggot shitstain you are
>>515152550
>>515152846
>>515153782
https://x.com/Ehrenkrieg2

>>515153162
Why can't Christians remove the islamic hordes from Europe today?

if you are christian, it is no secret it is your first and only loyalty. arguing about ethnicity is just running PR for your heeb cult. you are even worse than a kike, a kike needs to be enabled. christianity is the fertile, subservient ground the treachery of the kike is sown and reaped.

and for a board called "politically incorrect", i don't know why chrikes are even here, being the original "political correctness" before the danger hairs usurped their social shaming power they grieve losing. fuck off christian mongoloids

>>515140244 (OP)
Alright, OP, here's the way it is. I was just flirting with the idea until now but your incessant shilling has drove me to this. My new year's resolution is to hit EVERY single Catholic day of obligation next year! My pre-Lent game is going to be tight with Septuagesima, Sexagesima, and Quinquagesima. Then I'll be ready for the BIG one, Lent and Holy Week! No meat, no /pol/, no smoking, and an hour of Eucharistic adoration EVERY. SINGLE. DAY! Then it's All Souls Week and it's time to get a plenary indulgence for a soul in purgatory by going to a cemetery after Mass and praying EVERY. SINGLE. DAY! Then I'm going to finish with Christmas, this one I don't need to harp on about because even the rest of you love this one and do you know what, OP? There's not a damn thing you can do to stop me!

>>515146178
He was ordered by Archbishop Mooney to comply with the feds and shut down his publication. Church authorities forced Coughlin into censoring himself.

>>515140244 (OP)
Then why is everything shit and degenerate since everyone stopped going to church

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>>515154067
online ones are even worse because they straight up completely ignore what actual christians are like IRL, they completely blank out on the question, a genuine internal 'shut it down' moment with the mere mention that they'd get kicked out of every church/monastery/whatnot for their racialist views

>>515154279
because they were also mono ethnic
guess what fucking happened under christianity's watch?

only a few specific groups have the time or inclination to spam anti-christianity so frequently. one of these groups (pajeets) is much more numerous and less qualified than the others

good book to read for both pagans formulating folkish arguments in defense of paganism and christians who want to save their churches from its internal problems

>>515153922
>putting peanut butter on my dick and having my dog lick it feels good, so I conclude that it is 'good'
This is unironically where your train of thought leads

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

>>515154331
>>515154371
>incoming jeet spam
here we go

>>515154403
>putting peanut butter on my dick and having my dog lick it feels good
Sounds like you know from experience

>>515140441
get a load of this immigrant pajeet trying to talk about what belongs

>>515154219
The FCC literally invented radio band content restrictions because of him

>>515154407
>the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets.
oftentimes by spamming about jeets to distract you from the fact that they are in fact jeets

the internet is dying because it's been shared too far. much of what you suspected as bots has actually been outsourced thirdies reciting from scripts and following flow-charts. someone handed them smartphones and said the world is an open society. they don't know or care what the internet was supposed to be. everything is just another mercenary slum-hustle for pocket peanuts, helping to echo and amplify a mainstream (or subversion) narrative when they're not simply noise polluting

>>515154496
gay nigga heaven looking zesty
i'm surprised groypers don't get themselves killed to get there faster

>>515154279
most people need moral frameworks, it's not some grand mystery, but getting them to start going back to glorified synagogues telling they are one with jesus with ngubu and his children will destroy your race today

learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them

all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the human world and degrade it

>>515153287
>>515153287
Fucking saved

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

>>515152637
The clergy always supported the jews in their exploitation of European peasants. When the peasants revolted against jewish exploitation, the nobility and the clergy worked together to suppress the revolts and return to the status quo

>>515154526
And the Archdiocese of Detroit complied with them. Father Leonard Feeney was outright excommunicated for speaking out against jews. The Catholic Church sided with the jews against their own priests.

>>515154724
Good for them, doesn't mean it wasn't coerced

>>515154366
>>515140244 (OP)
What's so funny to me is that your entire concept of what is "trad" is entirely steeped in Christianity. Norse pagans had the exact same "it's only gay if you're the bottom" shit as the Romans and later Christian writers had to condemn lost works with lesbians in it from Norse texts

>>515154575
At this point I don't even care, it's a red herring discussion because every traditional institution is basically dissolved and impotent, no Apollo or Thor or any other voodoo from online bubbles will fill the gap. It's like people fighting over scraps.

>>515154480
Sounds like you do, actually.
Oh that doesn't make sense? Huh

>>515154279
It’s a fulfilment of biblical prophecy. The end times are near.

>>515154956
it's true but that is precisely why we have to start from the absolute basics and we can't afford falling into pseudo-solutions that just appear to look good because they were the coating of the civilization that we lost
if someone desires to save Europeans racially, he can't afford to give in to organizations and religions that on a good day are merely hostile to us and on a bad day are working hard to demographically cement our demise and servitude

>>515154980
Stop talking about your sexual escapades with your dog.

Christianity is a Semitic terror cult that inculcates guilt and shame only to offer a convenient program for redemption.

Original Sin = White guilt, White privilege, colonialism, European existence.

Baptism/Confirmation/Eucharist = admittance of and into that sin.

Prayer = repeated affirmations against that sin.

Penance = virtue signalling, self-flagellation, evangelism and missionary work to absolve yourself of that sin.

Purification = humiliation and/or ritual humiliation against that sin.

Righteous judgement/Redemption/Justice/Deliverance = sacrifice of oneself and one's race in the name of that sin - Death.

Puritan egalitarianism = multiculturalism, feminism, Boasian Anthropology, Critical Race Theory, etc.

Secularized neo-Christian fanatics of various denominations = Leftists, civic-nationalists, anti-racists, etc.

Heresy = political incorrectness.

Blasphemy = hate speech.

Witch hunting = cancel cult-ure.

Universalism = corporate transnationalism.

Martyr complex = the White man's burden.

Confession = therapy.

Compassion = self-destruction.

Jesus = a self-policing archetype.

God = the government.

Moral validation comes from genuflecting before and sacrificing oneself at the altar of equality, which comes from the hope of being perceived as "good" in the eyes of the enemy, just as becoming their victim is a test of faith they dare not fail.

All of which serves as an official legend for gratifying their narcissism and instigating terror against the target population.

>>515140244 (OP)
Jesus made better points on the cross than most of the ancient pantheons put together. having a bunch of mythological characters is kinda neat but rather petulant and juvenile compared to an all-powerful pantheist father-deity, no?

>>515153922
>Jesus, on the other hand, claims that looking at an attractive woman is bad.
you made that up
>but Matthew 5:28 says--
the topic is adultery (banging someone else's wife)
you can look at pretty women, and even someone's pretty wife, but looking at someone's pretty wife and thinking "yeah i'd like shove my meatwand into her braphog if you know what i mean" is a moral failure.

>>515154898
>your entire concept of what is "trad" is entirely steeped in Christianity
ah yes, tell me what i think. you're the expert, believing in talking bushes and snakes and all. you dumb, presumptuous blabbering fuck. you have nothing to add to the conversation because the truth is your kike bullshit is all lies

>>515154015

Because Christianity has been subverted into a bastardised version of itself.

>>515154887
It was coerced BY THE CHURCH. Why are you defending the church cucking for jews?

Jeetzza

>>515154898
>le norse and greeks and romans were gay!

Go back to r"ddit r/TIL pajeet

>lesbians in le ancient norse sagas!

So they were viking chads who enjoyed writing steamy lesbian sex scenes in their epics? What're you, gay?

>>515155180
>my superhero is more powerful

>>515154898
Same for abortion.

>>515155432
You're not very good at this

>>515140471
Fucking nature dumbfuck.

So how do we solve the CQ?

>>515153922

You are being possessed by the lower instinct that hijacks your mind. Now you are a slave of a cunt. You are trying to judge a spiritual system without any spiritual practise and growth of outlook. Like people of old times who believed in flat earth just because it looked flat in their eyes. Free your mind first then enhance your brain gamma waves activity.

>>515155586
just sit around because they are never ever getting that cultural relevance back. what you see online is confused bullied teenagers looking for some leverage in a completely retarded failing society (ironically because of christian values)

>>515142981
>the primary factor by far for European success.
0/10

>>515155530
>catholicism is based and antisemtic!
>heres this priest that was excommunicated for being antisemtic because jews control the catholic church

>>515155776
Republican Rome has never been matched to this day

>>515155586
>So how do we solve the CQ?
The Japanese already solved the CQ.

>>515155346
Ok, since you seem so ass blasted about it why don't you look into it and let me know
>>515155478
Haha I knew it was a matter of time until one of you tried to go with the "nuh uh lesbians aren't gay because ummm.... haven't you ever jerked it to lesbian porn??"

>>515155530
You're very good at defending jews

>>515141818
Do you not understand how sociocultural diffusion works?

>>515155868
why don't you fuck off and read a post and reply to the actual content of it, dipshit?

pretty funny how jeets went full mask off with their European lapan larp in that last thread
>they only larp as pagans to attack Christianity
jeets praising Odin and pointing out the common roots between jeet religions and pre-european paganism only damages paganism for whites

>>515155855
They're playing the same script for everything, America wouldn't have been successful without shitskins, technology sector has poos to thank for all of its success. gaslighting, ignoring history.

>church helps mexican cross the border
>mexican rapes and kills nun
>strangles her to death with her own rosary beads
>church covers up the attack, virtually buries it
>almost zero memorial or record of her today; the catholic community in her town is still virulently pro immigrant
but remember, youre a jeet if you dont go to church with a bunch of stinky mexicans! calling us jews didnt work so they had to switch to jeets

>>515155156
I think it's a chicken and egg problem, even Buddhism is fake and gay in Japan now, that's just modern values pushing on traditional institutions basically turning them obsolete. You can also make paganism gay, there is definitely some subreddit about asatru that'll make you cringe.

>>515155586
what matters right now is to not let them hijack right wing momentum into yet another universalist moralist slop, Europeans are constantly dragged around incessantly by a specific set of christian derived moral faggotries forcing them to kneel to everything but their own continued existence, that's gotta stop

>>515155938
You're not really helping your case; genuinely, why are you so mad?

>>515156035
>things that happened in my head

>>515156254
>hijack right wing momentum into yet another universalist moralist slop,
You're going to make nick fuentes cry.

>>515156254
This one is nervous

>>515156263
civility is for humans (ethnic europeans and their diaspora) and i don't regard you as a human being at all. you are a knowing participant in one of the most successful psyops in history, where europe was culturally colonized by middle eastern believe systems by blackmail and violence. in fact, speaking to you is like talking to a brick wall, i know, just know that i actively sabotage every christcuck i deal with.

>>515156424
you are projecting, Sambo, it's blatant, i's obvious, you know it, I know it, your only chance to stay in the USA is if the dwindling heritage americans never snap out of universal moral thought, the only reason they don't feed you to their animals

>>515156273
>porn addicted pajeet reply
didn't read didn't expand pic laughed at you impotence

>>515140471
>post an alternative
Here you go, faggot.
https://archive.org/details/88-precepts_202304/page/n3/mode/1up

>>515156254
you guys need to come up with a better plan than your
>hurr hurr i'm going to echo the left's boring attack script on Christianity, surely that will make them abandon their faith and join our nihilist materialism + racial preference somehow ideology
none of you guys offer a more coherent framework that can provide the basis for moral oughts, meaningful existence or redemption for suffering than the talking snake book you deride.

>>515156688
>nihilist
nihilistic as in this entire world is some test bed for if people qualify for a better afterlife or not?

>>515156688
it's so coherent that you are so desperate to keep your dwindling numbers up that you have to either push it on literal nigger apes from the congo in exchange for food or come here an spam, this is what you have been reduced to, YOU have nothing whatsoever to offer us and the European race, NOTHING but the company of shitskin animals like you
we don't need you, YOU need us

>>515156200
I don't disagree, the reason for pushing heathenry really is practical at this moment, it's to fight universalist mentality which currently dominates European minds, it's everywhere you look on every side, Europeans dragged by this or that moral crusade that doesn't involve their own continued existence; at the most elementary level this is the basic self-defense that we have to put forward as now less than 10% of the global population and dwindling, anything else being prioritized is suicide

>>515156254
Agreed. I think it's a bigger problem in America (Fuentes) and maybe Spain (Vox) than other countries.

>>515156688
>a coherent framework that can provide the basis for moral oughts
They're called societal norms and are why 99.9% of societies see murder, rape and more as taboos, not because they were written in your book

>>515157192
Idk about rape. Most the the non-European world has a very different idea of where that line is.

>>515140244 (OP)
You're being replaced by jeets and it ain't Christianitys fault

>>515156549
>dude, luce is so BASED! i already bought 30 funk pop dolls of her! and I even got a luce themed vibrator for my daughter! totally based and cathpilled bro

>>515156959
kosher right wing in Europe as a whole does this, they just offer that insipid lukewarm christian civic nationalist slop, fambly values, etc... while pivoting towards muh based law abiding legal immigrants
guarantee you we're gonna see more of this, christians in Europe will sniff the opportunity to come in the middle with half-measures like essentially making Europe into guatemala but with japanese crime rates and zambian church attendance(in theory, reality will be another pair of gloves, just like every single one of their failed kalergian experiments in south america, since exterminating natives was le bad, racial harmony good)

Christians are literally doing nothing to stop the coming crisis. jeets put giant monkey god statues up in our country but Christians wont tear them down (maybe they would if it was a statue of Zeus rather than hanuman?). Kikes spit on them and call them pagan (not even good enough to be noahide) but Christians still slavishly support israel and will put on the tiny hat and cry at the wailing wall. Israel literally bombs Christians in the holy land and Christians in the west support it. Meanwhile Christians work hard to import somalis into minnesota.
Christians may have done good things once, but they havent done anything good at all in the last few hundred years. We can thank occultic nazis and jews for most of our technical advances in the last century, Christians in the present are still debating if the Earth is flat or not. it is a dying religion and most dont even care to reverse that course because they all think Jesus will come back in their lifetime.

>>515156502
If you were a secure, confident individual, you wouldn't be compelled to seethe and rage like this. I have little doubt that you've got issues in your personal life, though it brings me little joy to say that. Repent! Peace be with you, anon.

>>515157471
Yeah, because in those societies the brother or father of the girl you raped is going to come to your house with an axe the moment he sees the girl crying.

>>515157521
I agree Kosher Rightoids are a problem across Europe although speaking at least for Britain they don't push "Based CivNat Christianity" that much. Christianity is largely dead here, so they try to push "British Values" instead.

Christian Rightoidism is coming from Washington and Tel Aviv.

>>515156762
that's a fascinating misapplication of the term nihilistic.
you're accusing a framework that posits an ultimate purpose, a final judgment (which implies objective moral standards), and eternal significance for human choices as being nihilistic, which is the belief that none of those things exists. the charge doesn't logically stick. a 'test' implies a purpose. nihilism is the denial of any purpose at all.
my point stands, on your materialist assumption, what is the coherent basis for moral 'oughts' you're implicitly appealing to?
if we are accidental collections of atoms in a deterministic universe, concepts like 'better' or 'worse' ideologies are just personal preferences, electro-chemical illusions.
you can't call me framework 'nihilistic' while your own, if followed to its logical conclusion, cannot ground any objective meaning or morality. you're borrowing capital from a worldview you reject to make your argument.
the Christian story isn't a shallow 'test bed', it's a coherent explanation for why we have a deep innate sense of justice, love, and meaning (we are made in the image of a God who embodies these things) and why the world is so broken (we have rebelled against that source of good). it provides a real solution, redemption and restoration rather than just lamenting the problem.
>>515156797
>it is coherent
lay it out then.

how do you go from
>God does not exist
>therefore, the universe was not created with intent
>therefore, there is no right or wrong way to live your life
>therefore, none of your actions ultimately matter
to
>we ought to prefer our own race

>>515140244 (OP)
The screeching get more and more screechy every OP

>>515157992
racial preference can be justified pragmatically/politially and based on genetics, it can be linked to science which unlike your kalergian jewish babble people of European descent still take seriously

most people aren't nihilist, they crave meaning, they are just captured by dysgenic moral crusade like yours, and they can believe in narratives that for once put them at the center not others

>>515156254
Maybe it's because Europeans are inclined to be universalist, they don't have that inbred tribalist mentality. No other people spread around the world so much adapting to every climate and forcing their universalist values on primitives. But when they did, they had huge families and fertility, so how can you replace something that reproduces and grows in numbers everywhere from Lisbon to Vladivostok to the New World. It's the first time in history where Euros just stopped, and now it works against them.

>>515140585
Death to Islam.

>>515140326
>Worships the corpse of a jew

>>515141012
Yeah that's why they fought for Israel in the middle east and killed whites in Europe for the jewish god...

>>515140244 (OP)
based
>>515140326
yeah we know you are not white

>>515143784
Based, he used one jewish religion to undermine the other jewish religion

>>515157691
Breh. It's the Christians who don't want jeetism here. Pagans/atheists don't give a fuck because they like hinduism aka satanism for brown people. You cannot be a Christian and support jeetism.
Boomers were tricked into supporting jews who keep importing brownoid shitdians as well as race mixing in the media. Hitler was the first to really notice and tried to stop it. If he were alive today he would deport all jeet H1Bs immediately.

>>515157192
societal norms aren't a coherent framework for moral oughts, they're just patterns of behavior.
saying "most societies dislike rape" doesn't explain why rape is wrong, only that it's unpopular.
if morality is just a reflection of consensus, then slavery was moral when it was widely accepted and genocide becomes moral if enough people agree.
Christianity doesn't just describe what people do, it offers a transcendent basis for what people ought to do, even when it's unpopular. that's the difference between moral realism and moral fashion.
>>515158228
you've conceded my entire point. you admit you cannot derive an objective moral 'ought' from your atheistic premise.
'pragmatism' is not a moral foundation, it's a statement of efficiency toward a goal. your goal is racial preference. you have no logical reason to say that goal is 'good' or 'right' you simply prefer it. this is precisely the subjective groundless preference i described.

you then try to justify this preference with 'science.' but science can only describe what is, it can never tell us what we ought to do. science can describe genetic differences, but it is silent on whether we should care about them. that is a moral question your worldview cannot answer. every monstrous regime in history justified its actions with a twisted form of 'pragmatism' and pseudoscience.

>>515144902
Take the L golem, that didn't go well for you

>>515159003
you can't derive any ought from wishful thinking either, nobody takes your jewish scribbles seriously except africans and sudacas like your parents, while I don't need to appeal to any universalistic ought, I only need to appeal to what people can naturally find appealing, community and belonging
you have nothing to offer, and it's comproven by the reality that despite having worldwide organizations with billions of dollars behind you bleed believers faster than you suck on nigger toes

ARYAN BEASTS must reject Cuckstianity.

>200+ bumps on some off-topic drivel
>>>/x/

>>515159227
>I don't need to appeal to any universalistic ought
you're confessing that your ideology isn't 'true' or 'right' in any objective sense, it's just a preference. that's the entire debate, your ideology is by your own definition groundless. and therefore worthless.

>>515140244 (OP)
Based.

>>515160026
your meaning of objective is universalist, I already said that is the quintessential problem, try to keep up Sambo
you are so detached from reality you believe that at any point people have gone from system X to system Y because they sat at a table and after a debate decided on it: I'am being pragmatic and know what can be used to turn people our way, you keep thinking that you win people by what you are doing, results speak for themselves

you system is completely groundless too, but people like you give themselves comfort by thinking that if they kick the can ahead and wholly put the weight of their claims on either some high untouchable metaphysical grounding that others reject or some traditional organization that does PR for you, you automatically go beyond nihilism

>>515148556
>Jewjeet detected
Every time

>>515159003
>I derive my morality from divine command, therefore, it's good
Lmao!

I just want to have life after death. I want for lost things and bad endings to recover and have good instead. I want to know truth and I want things to be better. I want for every tear to turn into laughter and that humanity has true and genuine happiness.

I wish God talked to me but I have to trust in him, and if I don't trust him, ask him for trust.

>>515140893
And that is why it is the kikes' most nefarious trick.

>>515141768
Explain rome and how it collapsed a century after christkikery took over, tranny.

>>515141900
No pagan religion is universalist. Christkikery demands you spread it to niggers and love them as your brothers.

>>515160765
what are you giggling about?
do you know how Christian moral ontology escapes the euthyphro dilemma?
>>515160420
>your meaning of objective is universalist,
my meaning of objective is "its truth value exists independent of human minds or conventions."
>you[r] system is completely groundless too
my worldview grounds moral oughts in something beyond human impulse. you may reject that grounding but it's still a claim with philosophical architecture.

>>515140828
Jews look h'White to me. They're fine by me.

>>515161552
>what are you giggling about?
>do you know how Christian moral ontology escapes the euthyphro dilemma?
>escapes
And you ask me why I laugh? You have barely dodged it and this is being generous.

>>515161552
Your morality comes from literal kikes.
>>515161673
The final form of the christkike.

>>515140244 (OP)
>>515140471
Christianity is also objectively nonsense. Christians believe that a middle easterner from 2000 years ago will reappear one day, bring the dead back to life, and set up a utopian heaven-on-earth for a period of time. There might be problems with other religions, but they don't believe anything as retarded as that. You're much better off worshipping Nahida.

>>515159581
next step for aryan beasts is to accept their own country

>>515161744
weirdo.

>>515161872
Lol this. Brownoid aryans need to go back to their country too. Everyone knows by now shitdians make up 80% of posts here by USA/Canadian/UK flags.

>>515161929
Top tier rebuttal. But I genuinely want to know, do you accept YHWH as your god?

why do you deny the subcontinent as your home

>>515162005
what do you want me to rebut?
>yeah okay your moral ontology escapes the dilemma but only just barely!
what does that even mean?

>do you accept YHWH as your god?
yeah, i think He's everyone's God though.

>>515161776
That's a Jared Taylor quote, and he tries to blame White Christians over jews. He's a philosemite who shares your point is view.

Emperor Julian was very pro Jewish as he saw how ludicrous and retarded christianity is

>>515161552
>my worldview grounds moral oughts in something beyond human impulse
translation: I have built a solid wall inside my mind which allows me to see my system as definitely beyond my subconscious while everyone outside of it is a monkey playing with a bone
old and boring stuff seeing a million times, priestly warfare like yours isn't top notch anymore, you are like an old westerner thinking his colt is still the weapon of choice, plus you still haven't caught up with your current political reality, namely, you can't enforce your make believe system by force anymore as you did for thousands of years after your proto-bolshevick coup in Rome so that you can go back to your churches and self-congratulate each other for how good and right you are while your opposition is simply killed off by imperial decree, now you have to actually sell your shit in a market that you don't monopolize anymore and I can see you still aren't even close to adapting

>>515162275
Dodging a question is not escaping the dilemma, there are only two logical answers to it, whatever mental gymnastics apologists have tried is attempting to wiggle out of the dilemma, not give an answer. So on the other point, how do you reconcile YHWH being a minor war/storm god, part of a larger pantheon pre-judaism?

>>515140244 (OP)
OP is an edgy faggot 14 year old that is mad at his grandma for making him pull the dildo out of his ass and go to church yesterday.
>Muh dead kike on a stick
Only useful idiots and Rabbis attempt to obfuscate the distinct separation between the God of Christ and the god the Pharisees worshipped. However, it's easier to assume you are just an invalid and cannot understand the difference due to being both a retarded teenager and having never bothered to read the new testament. Stop being a faggot and read the book of John already

>>515162563
close. he's a pajeet. the thread is crawling with pajeets, like all anti-christianity threads of the past 2 years

>>515143247
You sound extremely jewish

>>515155156
How can someone see this, and still pretend Pagans aren't overtly running cover for jews?

>>515140244 (OP)
Wasn't this the one who collaborated with the Jews?

>>515161829
No, they don't. Anyone who believes that isn't a Christian. Literalism is explicitly forbidden in the Bible. The average modernity poisoned retard does not represent Christian thought. Read Augustine or Eckhart or something if you want to actually understand what Christians believe.

>>515162859
you are beyond parody at this point, please keep it up and ignore christians IRL, we can't make better antichristian material than what you groypers come up with inadvertedly

>>515162514
>Dodging a question is not escaping the dilemma, there are only two logical answers to it, whatever mental gymnastics apologists have tried is attempting to wiggle out of the dilemma, not give an answer
alright, you're very confused.
let's go over it.
plato's famous question asks
"is something good because God commands it, or does God command it because it is good?"
which creates a dilemma
>if God commands something because it is good, then goodness exists independently of God
>if something is good because God commands it, then morality is arbitrary, God could command cruelty and it would 'good'
Christianity's answer is
>goodness is neither external to God nor arbitrarily willed by Him. it is grounded in His unchanging perfectly good nature.
which avoids both horns of the dilemma.
it's not arbitrary because God cannot command evil because His nature is essentially good.
it's not external because moral truths are not outside of God, they are expressions of who God is.
so when God commands love, justice, mercy, etc, He's not inventing morality or submitting to it, He's expressing His own character.

>how do you reconcile YHWH being a minor war/storm god, part of a larger pantheon pre-judaism?
that's a thoroughly debated theory and not an established fact.
i don't reconcile it because it's a category error. you're confusing the modern academic labeling of deities with the theological reality of the One Creator God who revealed Himself to abraham.
your question assumes the pagan framework is correct, which is precisely what the Christian faith denies.

jews hate nothing more on this earth than the catholic church. i don't know what else you need.

>>515162859
where do you think "pagans" come from in 2025? there are 2 sources
1. jews promoting jew-safe cosplay trends heavily boosted by showbiz
2. the third world

>>515163607
>>515163685
don't think we aren't noticing how every single flag defending the biggest third world religion on the planet by incontrovertible numbers is the american one, you are not fooling a single soul

>>515162693
Truly the only saving grace of the shit skins is that they are somehow not as bad as the demon worshipping kikes
>OP is still a faggot though, regardless of race

>>515163310
>the Aquinas answer
Like clockwork, smuggle in an indepentent concept of "goodness". "God is good" is a tautology, you don't ground morality at all, you just rebrand it. You do realize this is just picking the second option and putting lipstick on it, right?

>that's a thoroughly debated theory and not an established fact.
Not at all, there is hard evidence.

>i don't reconcile it because it's a category error. you're confusing the modern academic labeling of deities with the theological reality of the One Creator God who revealed Himself to abraham.your question assumes the pagan framework is correct, which is precisely what the Christian faith denies.
What a non answer, you just took the then established dogma and just replaced it with your own. Fact is, he was revered as a minor deity in southen Levantine, the fact remains even if you think said worship was false, how can this be in your worldview if YHWH first revealed himself on Abraham

>>515151447
stop coping tard I'm white as snow

who has lived enough years in this hemisphere to remember "wiccans"? remember all the movies and tv shows about sexy angsty witches and demons and shit? paranormal black magic high school revenge stories?
so basically this has been done, and it was done by the prior generation of impressionable fadfags much the same way, and they were all laughed into the corners and they turned into furfags and communists and trannies and whatever subversive shit they could find to get back at the society that laughed at them.
look up some early internet material about wiccans. that was who did your outsourced counterculture job before everything went to globalized shit

>>515163121
The screenshot I posted is literally Noam Chomsky's position, blaming Christians for Zionism. It's kike-apologetics.

>>515140244 (OP)
Let me get this straight:
Kikes are genociding white people worldwide and your suggestion is to... help them?

Fuck off you filthy fucking kike.

>>515151828
>American Atheists is 62 years old
>same message the whole time
>had one jewish president
>>515163310
>God cannot command evil because His nature is essentially good
Nice tautological fallacy.
>it's a category error
Nice cop out.
>>515164812
Globally there are more Whites who vote for left wing parties than Whites who are certain the god of israel exists. Your bullshit doesn't work unless you say White Antifa and Dems are your allies and we both know you'd happily pull the trigger on both groups.

>>515164121
>Like clockwork, smuggle in an indepentent concept of "goodness". "God is good" is a tautology, you don't ground morality at all, you just rebrand it. You do realize this is just picking the second option and putting lipstick on it, right?
you're mistaking metaphysical grounding for semantic rebranding. saying "God is good" isn't a tautology, it's a claim about ontology. in classical theism, goodness isn't an independent standard God conforms to, nor a label slapped onto divine commands. it's the very nature of God: necessary, eternal and unchanging.

so no, this isn't "just picking the second option." the second horn of the dilemma implies arbitrariness, that God could command cruelty and call it good.
but if God's nature is essentially good, then cruelty is excluded by definition. commands flow from nature, not whims.
you're trying to force a dilemma that only applies if goodness is external or arbitrary.
Christianity asserts it's neither, a third category you're refusing to acknowledge.

>
the fact that YHWH may have been worshipped in the southern levant prior to abraham doesn't contradict the Christian claim that God revealed himself uniquely to abraham, it simply shows that human beings, across cultures, have grasped at fragments of the divine long before full revelation.
so no, i'm not replacing dogma, i'm pointing out that your framing assume theological truth is determined by archaeological popularity. that's not how theology works.
the fact that people may have misidentified or misappropriated divine names or attributes before abraham is entirely compatible with the idea that God later clarified who He is.

if you think early worship of YHWH as a storm or war deity disproves Christian theology, then you're assuming that theological truth must align with primitive human perception.
that's like saying early astronomy disproves astrophysics. misunderstandings don't negate reality, they just precede clarity.

>>515165434
>saying "God is good" isn't a tautology
That's not what you said, shit for brains. I recognize you, you're one of the jewiest fucks on this board.

>>515165395
>Nice tautological fallacy.
>Nice cop out.
see >>515165434

>>515163607
Kek that's literally where christians are from

>>515165557
See >>515165520

>>515165520
> "God is good"
>That's not what you said
that's what he accused me of saying here: >>515164121
and it's the only way i can see what i was saying could be interpreted as tautological.

a tautology is a statement that's true by definition but offers no explanatory value. for example:
>a bachelor is an unmarried man
that's tautological because the definition of 'bachelor' already includes 'unmarried'

"God cannot command evil because His nature is good" is not tautological, it's ontological not definitional.
it's making a metaphysical claim about the nature of God, that God's essence is the standard of goodness and His commands flow from His nature, which is necessarily good.

it's not saying "God is good because God is good" (which would be tautological)
it's saying "God's nature is the grounding of moral goodness, and therefore He cannot command evil."
which is a substantive claim about the source of moral ontology, not a circular definition.

>I recognize you, you're one of the jewiest fucks on this board.
cool

>>515165434
Define "good" without appealing to god.

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>>515165949
>God cannot command evil because His nature is good" is not tautological
Wrong because your answer is predicated on circular logic, which is "god is good because good is god." Tautology.
>it's ontological
So you're an ontological subjectivist and not an ontological realist. Makes sense.

>>515140244 (OP)
Is it so? Christians aren't obligated to do anything other than spread the Gospel, love their fellow man and generally make the world a better place.

Jews on the other hand believe they have some special mission where they need to read all 8 gorillion volumes of the talmud then be driven by dybbuks everyday to bring about the antichrist.

>>515163607
keep coping, spammer. nice new id by the way, what happened to the old one? are you ban evading after you just got banned for spamming your stupid retarded jeet bullshit? >>515166104

>>515165953
i don't define "good" apart from God, because i'm a moral realist who holds that objective moral values require a transcendent grounding.
if you ask me to define "good" without God you're asking me to smuggle in moral realism while denying it's foundation, that's like asking someone to define "truth" while rejecting logic.

you're free to reject my grounding, but then you owe an account of how moral claims can be objectively true without collapsing into preference or social consensus.

Jesus was unmistakably a Jew by birth, law, practice, and identity: born to Jewish parents (Mary and Joseph) in Judea and raised in Galilee, he is recorded as legally descended from David of the tribe of Judah (genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3); he was circumcised on the eighth day and presented in the Temple with the prescribed offering (Luke 2:21–24; cf. Leviticus 12); he attended synagogue regularly and read Scripture publicly (Luke 4:16–21); he was addressed as “Rabbi” (John 1:38) and explicitly affirmed the Shema and the authority of Torah (“I have not come to abolish the Law,” Matthew 5:17; Mark 12:29); he kept Jewish festivals—Passover (Luke 2:41; Mark 14:12–16), Tabernacles/Booths (John 7:2, 10), and Dedication/Hanukkah (John 10:22); he wore tzitzit (ritual fringes) on his garment (Matthew 9:20; cf. Numbers 15:38); he observed Sabbath (while disputing certain interpretations; Mark 2:27); he spoke Hebrew/Aramaic phrases (“Talitha koum,” “Eli, Eli…,” Mark 5:41; Matthew 27:46); his given name Yeshua is the common Hebrew form of Joshua; his mission is framed as to “the lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 15:24); and even in death the placard over the cross read “King of the Jews” (John 19:19). All of this—lineage, rites, language, titles, worship, dress, festivals, and self-understanding—locates Jesus squarely within first-century Judaism.

>>515166337
>i'm a moral realist
Nope.
>objective moral values require a transcendent grounding
If god can commit acts that would be evil if committed by man then you're a situational subjectivist.

>>515166188
you're just misapplying philosophical terms to avoid engaging with the actual argument.
i'd spend the time typing out all the ways in which you're retarded but the thread's too close to 404ing for that to be worthwhile.

Christianity is the biggest hoax pulled on the masses.

>>515166337
>objective moral values require a transcendent grounding
On what basis do you oppose violent offenses against children since both are permitted by god in the bible? Sounds like you're very ungrounded.

>>515166492
>you're just misapplying philosophical terms
Lol get fucked nerd. Sorry I can see through your bullshit.

>>515165434
If “good” means “what matches God’s nature,” then “God is good” just means “God matches God.” That tells me nothing about why forgiveness beats cruelty.
And your fix does not touch arbitrariness. If God’s nature had been cruelty, then cruelty would be “good” by definition. Saying “that cannot be the case” is just assertion. Necessity is not normativity. You are stapling the word good onto whatever essence you prefer, then using our existing moral intuitions to decide which essence counts as “good.”
So no, you did not escape the dilemma. You rebranded answer B and called it metaphysics.
Your “third option” is either a tautology or it borrows my yardstick to judge God’s nature. Either way you did not ground moralty. You renamed it.
>
Hand waving “category error” does not erase data. We have divine councli language like Deut 32:8 in the LXX and DSS with “sons of God,” and Psalm 82’s council. We have the Elephantine papyri with YHW alongside Anat Yahu. That is henotheism and syncretism long after the time you claim for Abraham.
If revelation to Abraham was decisive, why does the material record show centuries of YHWH functioning as a regional deity with a consort and a council. If you want to claim a promotion from local storm god to sole creator, bring evidence for the promotion, not just theology, then make the comparison with astronomy and astrophysics.

>>515166587
>two replies
Oh she's mad.

>>515140244 (OP)
>Kikestianity must go.

Like you must go back to India?

>>515166558
you're confusing descriptive history with prescriptive morality.
the bible records many acts, including violence, but they are not endorsements but revelation of human sin, divine judgement or historical reality.

Christian moral realism doesn't claim that every event in scripture reflects moral permission. it claims that God's nature is the standard of goodness, and that moral commands must be interpreted through that lens, especially as revealed in Christ.

Jesus (God) explicitly condemned harming children "Whoever causes one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better for him to have a millstone tied around his neck and be drowned in the sea" (Matthew 18:6). that's not ungrounded, that's morally absolute.

if you want to challenge divine grounding, you'll need more than cherry-picked verses. you'll need a coherent alternative that explains why harming children is objectively wrong without collapsing into cultural preference or emotional reaction.

>>515166623
>first half
you’re still assuming that moral ontology must be grounded in human moral intuitions, which is precisely what classical theism denies. i’m not “borrowing your yardstick”, i'm claiming that God’s nature is the yardstick, and our moral intuitions are valid insofar as they reflect that nature.
saying “if God’s nature were cruelty, then cruelty would be good” misses the point.
in classical theism, God’s nature is necessarily good, and cruelty is excluded not by preference, but by metaphysical necessity.
you’re treating “good” like a floating adjective we can attach to any essence. i'm saying “good” is identical with the nature of a necessarily perfect being.
so no, this isn’t rebranding answer B. Answer B implies arbitrariness (God could command anything and it would be good.)
my position says God cannot command evil, not because of external rules, but because His nature is the unchanging standard. that’s not tautology, it’s ontological realism.
if you want to challenge that, you’ll need to show how moral realism can exist without metaphysical grounding.
otherwise, you’re just projecting your own framework onto mine and calling it incoherent when it doesn’t match your assumptions.
>second half
archaeology shows how people perceived YHWH, not who He is.
Christian theology claims God revealed Himself progressively, not that He was always understood rightly.
misunderstanding isn’t disproof.

>>515166899
>they are not endorsements
100% wrong, try again.
>Jesus (God) explicitly condemned harming children
100% wrong, this has nothing to do with physical harm. He's talking about spiritual subversion.
>you'll need a coherent alternative that explains why harming children is objectively wrong without collapsing into cultural preference or emotional reaction.
Why can't you into realism or empiricism? You have zero philosophical basis for why you believe harming children is wrong as a christian. You need to explain how you know it without collapsing into cultural preference or emotional reaction.

>>515167268
100% wrong.

>>515163310
Your God commanded penis mutilation for millenia then changed the rules. It is entirely arbitrary per this very post. You lose christjew

>>515167298
Not my fault you don't know what your bible is actually saying.

>>515167262
You wrote again a bunch of shit just to say "God=good, good=God, God=God." Which doesn't answer why killing is bad. Your answer is "because it's not God's nature." But that’s just you stapling the word "good" onto whatever you claim God’s essence is. It’s still arbitrary. No matter what nature your god had that would be “good” by your system. You wave it off by saying “that’s metaphysically impossible,” but that’s not an argument. And you keep pretending you’re not borrowing outside standards, but every time you insist God’s nature is love, justice, and mercy, you’re picking those because we already think those are good. If your scriptures show God commanding genocide or slavery, you don’t call that “God’s nature,” you explain it away. That’s the tell. You’re still sneaking in my yardstick to decide which bits count. Not a third option, sorry bro.

>
You constantly do nothing but establish your own dogma, you don't even have proof you have understood him rightly right now, since he is a being beyond your comprehension by your canon. The funny thing is despite that you keep reasserting a very precise understanding through this whole exchange, lmao.

>>515167989
you're still assuming that moral realism must be grounded in human intuitions, then accusing me of circularity when i reject that premise.
i'm not saying "God = good" in a semantic loop, i'm saying God's nature is the ontological ground of goodness.
that's a metaphysical claim, not a definitional trick.

the idea that "if God's nature were cruelty, then cruelty would be good" misunderstands necessity.
in classical theism, God's nature isn't chosen or contingent, it’s necessarily perfect.
cruelty isn't excluded by taste, it's excluded by metaphysical coherence.
and no, i'm not borrowing your yardstick.
you're assuming that love, justice, and mercy are good because we like them.
i'm saying we recognize them as good because they reflect God’s nature. you're flipping cause and effect.
as for hard texts like genocide or slavery, those require serious theological and historical unpacking.
but pointing to interpretive challenges doesn't refute the metaphysical framework.
it just shows that theology isn't reducible to proof texts.
if you want to challenge the grounding of moral realism in God’s nature, do it philosophically. but accusing me of rebranding while smuggling in your own intuitions isn’t a refutation, it’s projection.

>You constantly do nothing but establish your own dogma,
i disagree
>lmao
roflmfao!

>>515156424
Blackest groyper

>>515168177
you baked “good” into “God” and called it ontology. That’s still a circle.
>God’s nature = good” is definition, not derivation. You excluded cruelty by stipulation.
>Necessity ≠ normativity. “God necessarily is N” doesn’t give “we ought N.” You still need a bridge.
how do you know the content of N? Scripture? Then genocide/slavery are part of N unless you override them with extra-biblical morals.
Not scripture? Then it’s reason/conscience, aka, my yardstick. Saying “a cruel god is incoherent” just means your definition already smuggled benevolence in. Still circular.

>as for hard texts like genocide or slavery, those require serious theological and historical unpacking.
lol

>i disagree
Lmao

>roflmfao!
roflcopter

>>515168177
>God's nature is the ontological ground of goodness.
>can't define goodness without tautological fallacies
Womp womp

>>515168616
looks like you get the last word and win by default, i type fast as fuck but am not going to be able to make a good response in time.
>roflcopter
double defeated, can't top a roflcopter, that's even stronger than a lollercoaster

>>515168649
retard

>>515168767
I didn't win anything, Socrates did 2k+ years ago.