Thread 518640059

Why does the United States use the weak M4 when the AK47 is more Durable?

>>518640059 (OP)
Best weapon ifn fal

>>518640059 (OP)
the ak is garbage the m4 is unironically more reliable and more durable.

>>518640059 (OP)
>Why does the United States use the weak M4 when the AK47 is more Durable?
Most people that own one, own both.
>>518640154
Also this.

>>518640154
Men in short shorts holding FN FALs is rad

>>518640059 (OP)
M4 is outdated, now they use this.

>>518640059 (OP)
The m4 has better semi auto precision

>>518640480
This thing is so gay

>>518640415
Especially when it is filled with water.

>>518640480
pretty much everything called "AK47" is actually an AKM

>at the range yesterday
>take out my AR and WASR
>no problems with AR, 100% reliability and accuracy
>WASR was inaccurate, jammed and had two pins walk out

>>518640059 (OP)
>ak47
Literally no one uses AK47s anymore. Anyone using an AK platform is using a AKM, 74 or if they are not a poorfag country, the 12.

>>518640059 (OP)
The M4 is more accurate than a Ak

>>518640059 (OP)
The ak and other soviet mechanisms are really only good for suppressive fire. Reliable enough to send lead down range for extensive periods with very little user error. Without any training its far superior but thats about it

>>518640710
romanian rip off of AK =/= AK

ARs are far superior
>b-b-but the AK still works with the barrel full of shit and sand
kill yourself

>>518640710
Wtf? Aren’t AKs riveted?

>>518640618
Rub a little sand on it, dry up all that water.

>>518640059 (OP)
The penis mightier than the firearm.

>>518641020
i hate picatinny a2 carry handles

>>518640059 (OP)
I love AKMs but the barrels heat up and get floppy after a few magazines, and 7.62x39 would be a bitch to carry around in volume. Yeah, you can go to war with them, but it's kind of doing it in hard mode

>>518640059 (OP)
because of NATO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56%C3%9745mm_NATO

>>518640618
>made of steel
>rusts
>made of aluminum
>doesn't rust

>>518641615
https://www.military.com/video/guns/rifles/dont-fire-a-waterlogged-m4/1192767068001

>>518641917
>waterlogged
Nigger just open the dust gate and take the magazine out, now your gun is water free.

>>518642047
Why do soldiers carry guns above the head, when cross rivers?

>>518641917
meanwhile the ak cant take mud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU
and the ar easily works in mud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU
also shooting underwater is a useless feature cope and seethe faggot.

>>518640059 (OP)
Because it's black and you know how Americans are.

>>518640154
I have a FAL, so I can tell you NO.

>>518640059 (OP)
both guns are old crap
so go back to ur csgo lobby

>>518640059 (OP)
You're a nogunz faggot Sven/Mohammad, and your opinion comes from video games. Go fuck yourself.

>>518640059 (OP)
which one do anti-fascist use?

>>518640154
Based and trve.

>>518641286
your opinion is garbage

>>518640059 (OP)
AK was put together by a mongoloid. AR was designed by a white man.

>>518640059 (OP)
We have the ability to maintain our weapons beyond pissing down the barrel.

>>518642439
so the barrels dont rust. shooting underwater is a useless feature.

>>518640059 (OP)
I really liked how the ak felt on auto for the purpose of supression. The ar platform is even easier to shoot on semi though. It becomes a part of your body very easily and quickly unless you’re a pencil-necked faggot
>t. Former ZOGbot

>>518642709
Antifascism was the state religion of both empires

>>518643389
thats not the question i asked faggot

>>518640059 (OP)
thats a M16 anon

>>518643482
The answer is both.

Can carry way more ammo and durability is fine.

>>518643178
>>518643178
I'd like to buy AR-15, when it was possible (it costs about 6 grands $). Now I'm mentaly ill (for gun you need papers from doctor) and fucking war is going.

>>518643693
Actually the only problem with the 5.56 is that it creates an ammo mismatch with your GPMG because 5.56 is too small for GPMG.

>>518643728
>I'd like to buy AR-15, when it was possible (it costs about 6 grands $)
In russia? It's way less here.

>>518643543
It's an M4. For some reason it just has the old Vietnam era 20 round mag

>>518643728
join the army and try to get a battlefield pickup then

>>518640059 (OP)
It's not. The fragility of the AR platform is mostly ancient boomer myths from 'nam when out of spec ammo, incorrect maintenance instructions and several cut corners resulted in a bunch of low quality weapons. All of these issues were fixed before the end of Vietnam. The only aspect where the AK is more durable is barrel life and that's only if you're shooting 7.62x39 which is lower pressure.

The AK-47 is fundamentally a late WWII era weapon and all modernization efforts make it more like the AR, which ran with basically all of the concepts of an intermediate caliber light rifle and took them to their logical conclusion while the AK remained with one foot in the rifle side of things with a much larger bullet and heaver ammunition.

>>518642479
i liked this video when it first came out because it also indirectly btfos people obsessed with piston ARs spouting the IT SHITS WHERE IT EATS meme. The fact that it shits where it eats is part of why the AR is actually less bothered by field contamination than the AK is. It is an issue longterm if you never clean and lube it but even the cleaning is technically optional. People have run through entire barrel lifespans, 20k plus rounds without doing an actual clean, just overlubing the bolt to get around it.

>>518640059 (OP)
AK is the greatest gun ever when the temperatures go below -30 like in Sweden and US. Aside from Alaska, everything is hot.

M4 and AR is shit but it's the standard cause easier to make and mass produce.

>>518644096
7.62 is the 10mm of Rifles. 556 is the 9mm.

10mm always wins. AR is unreliable and it's range is below mid.

>>518640059 (OP)
Stamped steel dakadaka vs cast aluminum dakadaka

>>518644123
Wtf are you talking about? The AK is made from stamped sheet metal.

>>518644012
I can't influence somehow on people who don't care how much people will be dead.

>>518640059 (OP)
I used to run the AK based on the old Vietnam War (not war) rumors that it is more reliable and has more stopping power.

My AK jammed one time when it counted. The rifle is also heavy as fuck, and 3 mags from it feels like a full battle load.

Plus now everyone uses optics. Not red dots. But the kind of optics that let you score a headshot while your opponent can't even see you at all.

The siderail on the AK is a total cope that thing stinks.

The Armalite has massive stopping power inside 150 yards, and is optic friendly as fuck die to the one piece upper receiver design.

Have fun with your AK. I sold mine, and I'm loving my Armalite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehukpdse8_w&list=RDehukpdse8_w&start_radio=1

>>518644258
>Stamped sheet metal

Lay off the booze. It's milled since forever. You're talking about African made ones. Even then stamped recievers outperform AR and look at HK guns.

>Using traditional layout in 2025
I shiggity diggity. Short piston bullpups are the future.

>>518644258
He's not wrong, AR platform runs into performance issues in extreme cold while the AK does not. Some of this is due to how the gun operates but even piston ARs don't perform as well in the cold as AKs simply because AKs are built with loose tolerances. So it doesn't matter if thermal expansion or contraction throws parts out of alignment by a few mm which can kill a high tolerance gun.

Similar reason why gucci 1911s are jammier than turkshit, the turkshit will never be as accurate but it will tolerate more operation conditions.

>>518640059 (OP)
AKs suck. They're inferior to the M4 in all respects but one. The AK can continue to function for decades without ever being cleaned.

>>518644399
Russia can't afford optics but that doesn't mean quality side rails don't exist.

>>518644123
It does better in ice, but in frozen situations where you fucked up, and let it happen to freeze into a solid. You can watch video on the AK recovering very fast and the armalite taking forever. But that caters to that particular situation. Outside of that happening your still dealing inferiority of the AK. It's no headshot machine like the Armalite with a combat optic.

>>518644193
1. Show flag, Shlomo
2. You can't rebut any of his claims, so you just make up a retarded analogy and claim victory.

>>518642439
Why wouldn't they? Are you serious? You understand the ability to withstand something, does not make it a good idea?
I can hit an AR with a sledgehammer and it'll still work. Should I club my AR with a sledgehammer?

Surprised no ones mentioned it's much more reliable to suppress an AR than an AK. 7.62x39 is also not super suitable for suppression. It's also part of the reason the Soviets switched to 5.45.

5.56 really is the do-it-all round for the modern infantryman. Carrying two extra magazines, maybe three, for the same weight as 7.62x39 is really a game change for the average ability for infantryman to suppress.

Plus, mounting optics is far easier on an AR platform.

>>518644696
It's the receiver design that sucks. The entire top of the AK is called a dust cover. It's removeable. If they would make some of it a solid piece then it would be able to mount optics without a wondering zero.

>>518644517
Okay you're either trolling or retarded. To clarify this statement for other noguns Indians: Milled AKs are pretty much just produced for the civilian market, the AK-47 was originally milled because Russia didn't have the technical capability to produce stamped parts. As they got there the AK-47 developed into the AKM which was stamped. The old tooling for milling ended up in some other parts of the former comblock.

Milled receivers offer no real advantage and weigh slightly more. Durability isn't a concern because unless you're using welded potmetal receivers that isn't the failure point. You'll rebarrel an AK a dozen times before a receiver fails.

>>518641016
How is it that America cannot crack the hidden secrets of making a good AKM that isn't 6 gorrillion dollars?

>>518644123
>>518644193
I've shot my ar10 in subzero temps.

You realize that ARs were originally chambered in 7.62×51, right?

Also, the AK is a much more easily manufactured weapon that uses stamped parts where as practically everything on an AR is machined.

I own both AR platform rifles and AK platform rifles. The AR is superior in terms of accuracy while the AK is superior in terms of reliability but both are fine weapons.

You sound like you dont have much experience with either and you dont know that the AK74 was chambered in 5.45x39 for many of the same reasons the M16
was chambered in 5.56x45.

>>518644889
that's why the side rail comes off and on using a clamp, and retains zero.

>>518644809
It's forever a discussion about which is better, AK or m4. It will continue for decades, and OP knows this.
They are different guns, both have weak and strong sides. For me it is just a chance to get a discussion in a boring evening.

>>518644770
Why are you comparing AK-47 to modern day AR? AK-12 is the new issue and aside from the dust cap, it's the perfect winning war machine and it never jams. AR is weaker, has low range, and the barrel just floats. AK is made for ice but newer platforms out performs SIG, AR, and SCAR. If you install a better scope in AK instead of Iron sights, it wins in all aspects compared to AR platforms.

>>518645092
It's on the left side of the rifle. Very unnatural. I debate how reliably true it is. Also the vast majority of you see don't even use it.

AK = freedom gun
AR = globohomo tyranny gun

>>518644892
>>518645055

All these gay retards comparing actual AK 47 to today's AR and that tells the intellectual of these loser weirdos.

>>518645267
(you) = fat guy who is defiantly not getting laid.

>>518645341
I don't see any AK guys stomping they're always getting stomped

>>518645420
This is the type of guys that get shot in the neck.

>>518640480
no, this program is already dead. everybody in NATO is using HK416 now. very wise choice

>>518645515
Stupid (you), how so?

I will take anything i can get

they'll are both fine rifles from different world views.
what matters is who's using them and why.
but a vanilla brand new factory 'ak47' is just a timeless iconic tool,10/10 wider cultural aesthetic

>>518644889
>>518645092
>>518645234
What's unnatural about using the left? You're just making up reasons now.

The AK design gives you better access to the internals, you hit one button on the back and can pull it open.

>>518640059 (OP)
>view ak47 accuracy rate
NONONONO SANDJEET SISTERS NOT LIKE THIS

>>518640059 (OP)
The AK-47 has a very powerful caliber for such a weapon, 7.62×39 mm. Vietnamese soldiers noted that it blew off parts of American soldiers' heads, which was very unethical, as it made it difficult to identify the dead. This is one of the reasons why the USSR switched to the 5.45x39 caliber.

>>518640059 (OP)
The Russians don't even use the ak47 anymore and haven't for decades. They even switched to a caliber that is a tad bit smaller than the what the m4 shoots i.e. the ak74. The m4 is more percise, the reliability issues are overblow (it isn't the Vietnam era anymore ya know), and you can modulate the gun for any situation very easily. For me though it is the mini-14, I don't know what it is about it but I like the aesthetics.

>>518640480
Which is turning out to be a terrible heavy rifle and the only reason it is being considered by the US Army is because SIG is giving "gifts" to the right people. If they are going back to standard issue battle rifles for your average soldier they should have just adopted a modernized M14, G3, FN FAL, or AR-10. At least those battle rifles are battle proven but overall the AR-10 would make the most sense because it is basically the M-16 platform which every US soldier is familiar with at this point chambered in 7.62x51 so you wouldn't need additional training to know how to operate it.

>>518645341
well the ak is outdated. it was cutting edge in the 40's but now you have to make the gun more expensive and even heavier to get the same capability 90% of ar 15s have out of the box.

>>518640059 (OP)
G3 is the real rifle of the white man. The spiritual successor to Sturmgewehr. But I can also tolerate FN FAL.

>>518646221
mini 14 is heavy as shit

>>518643728
>(it costs about 6 grands
what the fuck bud

we got bundle deals here, you buy one get a free glock or similar clone

all high quality not garbage tier shit

>>518646868
>weak ass nigger cant hold up a 6lbs rifle

Can someone tell me where I can find polymer RPK furniture?

>>518646775
i use my G3 to turn my lights off from bed when i turn in for the night

my binky keeps me safe

The AK Shoots
The AR Jams
Simple as.

>>518640059 (OP)
ammo is heavy.

>>518646868
>t. someone who has never held a mini 14 in their life
>Memeflag

The mini 14 is not heavy at all. Unloaded the mini 14 only weighs around 6 pounds, is this seriously too heavy for you?

>>518640445

> Those arms on that man

Hnnnghh Hottie ugh

WTF is rifle?
Here in pooland we have kurwas and genocide and donald tusk.

>>518647115
I'd like to move to Canada because of this and other reasons. But with my mental health condition I'll live in a tent under the bridge.

>>518647797
if you pretend to be gay you might be able to claim asylum

>>518647797
you only have that because you let other people live in your head for free

once you evict them all, you'll be free yourself

>>518640059 (OP)
>>518640415
This. The modern AR has been torture tested 30,000 rounds without cleaning by the guys on YouTube. It’s extremely reliable and it’s more accurate and lighter than an ak. Way better. The ak is old and an amazing weapon but it’s heavy and not as accurate at distance.

>>518645549
So a piston m4 for 2-3x the price. Fucking germans

>>518640059 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-kE_wbGLhE
>more Durable
LMAO

>>518647882
It's easy, just collect money for the college or university and you are here (if visa officer don't reject your papers). I'm bi, but with my life expirence I don't want to date with man anymore, and I go to the church.