Thread 519115908

Russia has once again updated its Orc technology.

https://b23.tv/ar7XzC3

>>519115908 (OP)
What in the seven hells is that?

>>519115995
another attempt to counter 200$ drones from alibaba

>>519115995
instead of having the drone drive directly right on the tank, you hope it hits the prongs and detonates in the air, which won't damage the tank so bad

>>519115908 (OP)
A little thermite hellfire will take care of it

>>519115908 (OP)
when russian soldiers invented the anti-drone cages everyone laughed, but now every professional army is manufacturing and installing them too
porcupine armor is the future

>>519115908 (OP)
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

>>519115908 (OP)
Is this more effective than the cope cages or turtle tanks?

>>519116679
They installed them to defend from Javelins. And yes it's still laughable.

>>519117260
We are yet to see, because due to lank of oil tanks havent left the base

>>519117297
If it looks stupid but it works, it ain't stupid. You NAFO tranies should know that much after your precious Abrams you fapped so much about got blown to smithereens the moment they showed up on the battlefield without drone protection.

>>519115908 (OP)
>just fuck my shit up

>>519115908 (OP)
Tanks look cooler like this. I hope everyone copies them.

>>519117649
CISSYTO trannies dilating over their precious virgin tanks getting decimated by 200$ Temu drones will never not be funny.

>>519115908 (OP)
I was thibking this just the other day. Why not make like a wire cage around vehicles tgat moves with it. Aint that hard.

>>519117649
bro, please be easy on amerimutts, they need all the wins they can get these days

>>519115908 (OP)
Couldn't you just prop up some kind of chicken net around it instead? It'd weigh far less but achieve the same effect.

>>519116222
arent' they mostly use shape charges for heavy vehicles? A shape charge would still penetrate the armor in key places, even if it detonated earlier
and explosive that goes in every direction wouldn't hurt a tank even with direct hit

>>519117649
>it works
does it?
>>519118235

>>519115908 (OP)
this was prophesized by an Abbo shaman 50 years ago

>>519115908 (OP)
>tank burns up
>try to escape
>*die*

>>519118235
>>519118150
>>519118269
If a shell is going fast enough it wont matter how much chickenwire or metal spikes you weld on the red tranny tank. This must be for the temu drones going slow and above, but many of them are being loaded with AP weapons now instead of crashing into tanks with explosive.

>>519117973
The fuck are you talking about Russian been getting its shit slapped around daily

>>519115908 (OP)
Dey shud paint it red. Red wunz go fasta.

>>519115908 (OP)
The damage of a explosive directly on the tank compared to 2 feet away is tremendous. Smart idea desu.

>>519118235
>A shape charge would still penetrate the armor in key places
No. Not necessarily. All ways of countering shaped charges since WW2 aim to make it explode prematurely as that lessens the effect. There are certain types of projectile forming munitions but those are only able to penetrate the thin roof armour.

>>519118970
but why abandon the idea of a cage and venture with the spikes?, a box shape is easier to install and has more possibilities of triggering the charge

>>519119403
Op picture has a cage retard-kun

>>519115908 (OP)
Sorry but its just not happening. There is no defeating the Drone. You can only minimize losses by making crewless drone tanks, or just dont bother with heavy vehicles at all.

>>519115908 (OP)
Based and Mad Max-pilled.

Putin should challenge Zelensky to single combat in Thunderdome instead of all this though

>>519119477
kek you're right, it's a complete cope cage + spikes

>>519116507
You're a fucking retard

>>519116679

Except they didn't work, and there are tons of images and videos of Russian tanks with cope cages that have been blown to pieces. Here is the infamous Russian turtle tank pol said was basically the best innovation and was basically invincible against drones. Two days later it was turned into scrap metal by a drone.

The reality is, Russia isn't high tech enough to counter drones. Cope cages, meshes, wires and whatever else are not stopping drones.
To stop drones you need electronic interference, or if they are using wires then you need to microwave them. Russia has access to neither of these technologies. So Russia will keep losing million dollar tanks to $200 drones.

>>519115908 (OP)
They’re currently researching the adamantine spikes upgrade

>>519120106
>Russia has access to neither of these technologies
thats not even true though.

>>519120281

If Russia had access to these technologies they wouldn't have lost so many tanks to drones. The fact is, Russia has no real defence against drones except chicken wire or cope cages. Neither of which have proven effective as proven by the many pictures of destroyed Russian tanks.

>>519120281
Yeah they actually seem to be ahead of NATO on missile and electronic warfare tech. They're also using fiber optic cable drones that can't be blocked by EW anyways

>>519115908 (OP)
Big fan of the cuck cage movement. I wonder when it will sweep the nation in a 'Half-Life 2'esque architectural revolution.

>>519120458

Not even close. NATO is developing lasers that can shoot down a penny sized target moving at hypersonic speeds from miles away. They are also developing a microwave based system that can fry the electronics of drones at any visible range, including fiber optic drones.

These kinds of systems are how you defend against drones, not chicken wire or corrugated steel.

>>519116222
>detonating drone early
A simple wire fence already does this. I think this is more to entangle the drone itself without triggering the detonator so it doesn't even go off.

>>519120106
Everything can be destroyed with enough effort. The difference is in amount of effort, and tanks protected against drones require more of it, than those without protection.
>Hey, soldiers with the bulletproof vest and the helmet and without it can still be killed by snipers or Gatling guns!
No shit Sherlock. That doesn't mean the bulletproof vests and helmets are useless and you should prance without them on the battlefield.

Sustainable genocide they said

>>519118970
>All ways of countering shaped charges since WW2 aim to make it explode prematurely as that lessens the effect.
The goal of slat armor is to crush the detonator circuitry between the bars so it doesn't go off.

>>519120956

The cope cages did absolutely nothing though. They probably spent thousands of dollars in metal alone on these cope cages, and the work around was send two drones. One to destroy the cope cage, and one to destroy the tank. That is like $400 to destroy a multimillion dollar tank. It did nothing to stop tanks being destroyed.

Again. the only real defence against drones would be to have a system to jam them, or if they are fiber optic drones, then you need a system to shoot them down, which could be a laser, microwaves to fry them, or something similar.

>>519115908 (OP)
Hairy tanks?
Soon we'll have genuine bear-form tanks.

>>519120692
>NATO is now down to Wunderwaffen
lol, lmao.

>>519121144
>The cope cages did absolutely nothing though.
They did, and everyone with at east half brain cell use them now. But since you're NAFO tranny, you don't have even that much.

>>519115908 (OP)
Are westerners still seething about the fact that the Ukraine had better luck with Soviet weapons systems than western wunderwaffe? It's really pathetic. Especially since the west is pretty much irrelevant and collapsing under the weight of Jewish domination and Chinese superiority.

Like, know your place. I know my country is becoming a shithole. Just look outside. It's over.

>>519121312

The cope cage did nothing. Which is why we don't see tanks in Ukraine anymore and why no one is using them now.

>>519121421
So you're not only stupid, but also blind. Ok. Dilate more, maybe that will help.

>>519121527

Show me some cope cage tanks from September 2025 then. I'll wait. I mean if they're so effective surely there is plenty of images and videos of them right?

>That one vatnik still talking about cope cages in 2025
Just like Russia, he seems to be stuck in the past.

>>519121618
Watch RT or something.
>inb4 n-no you show me nooooow!
What next, you will ask me to help you dilate? Fuck no.

>>519121955

Then show me. If it's so easy you could post a picture of webm. Strange how you can't yet I can find countless destroyed cope cage tanks.

>>519115995
How do they even use the turret? Or do they just have to turn the tank to aim now?

>>519116222
Oh, is it? I though you stuck pineapple and cheese to the prongs.

>>519116507
No it won't you fucking moron

>>519122038
>NAFO retard: we don't see tanks in Ukraine anymore!
>also NAFO retard: I can find countless destroyed cope cage tanks!

>>519120106
Yeah that's why ukrine has zero vehicles left, they evolved to the digiverse due to elite ukrinian engineering

>>519122282

>Like in video games, Russian tanks despawn when destroyed due to superior Russian engineering and technology

Ukraine is covered in destroyed Russia tanks. Thousands and thousands of confirmed tanks destroyed. Russia aint sending tanks to Ukraine anymore though because they get destroyed by a cheap drone.

>>519120692
'Developing' being the operative word you fucking shitskinned imbecile, Russia removed the cages and ukrine added them because they had nothing else they might as well resort to superstition

>>519117777
Quads sevens of spikey armor grant me strength

>>519122515

I suppose it's a good thing NATO isn't at war and constantly being hit by drone attacks then, isn't it?

JOIN NAFO

NO MORE USAID SHILL MONEY BUT ALL THE FREE COCK YOU CAN SUCK AND FREE FEMALE HORMONES AND GENDER REASSIGNMENT ADVICE!!! SLAVA UKRAINI!!

>>519121144
>The cope cages did absolutely nothing though.
So why were they added to the last few Western vehicles ukrine had before they were turned into instant pork-roasters then? A fact your lying jew media celebrated and actually thought they were called cope-cages, as only a cretin can support ukrine

>>519122628
YES!
SLAVE URINI!

>>519122506
>Russia will run out of tanks! Just two more weeks!
This cope is off the charts.

>>519121618
Russia stopped using them and ukrine has no vehicles left

>>519122701

>If cope cages don't do anything why did Ukraine use them
>And then all those cope cages got destroyed

I mean, why are you even asking this question exactly?

>>519122577
Shut up mud-eyed rapejeet, you will never be a human, your only sexual contact with a woman will be the time you raped your mother (may she die of the black death)

>>519115908 (OP)
Oi! Ukies. Yah Gunna LOSE!
Boyz its time fur FIGHTEN! WAGGGGGGGGGGHHHhhh!!!

>>519115908 (OP)
battlefield 6 skin when

>>519122506
Ok faggot
Russian tanks all have drone jammers now so thats why there are no videos from this year.

>>519115908 (OP)
More than three years of this. This war gets more retarded and gay by the minute

>>519122545
It's not even their final form.

>>519123223

We'll be seeing pictures of it blown to pieces within a week.

>>519123365
Cope and dilate tranny.

>>519123223
>that mad max tier mess obviously put together under the influence of a bottle of vodka

just stop this shit seriously

>>519123437

You faggots were making the same threads when the turtle tank was revealed. A week later it had been blown to pieces.

>>519115908 (OP)
anyone got the webbum of that Russian pornstar trying to pronounce the word porcupine?

>>519123529

It's all been done by the tank operators. They know the moment they hit Ukraine they turn into a drone magnet and most of them wont survive a week. So in a desperate attempt they're just welding whatever shit they can find to tanks in an attempt at extending their life.
It's obviously not working though, anymore than those magical blessings the Russian Orthodox church is selling.

>>519116222
Yep, Russian ingenuity at its finest

>>519117297
No they didn't. It was to protect against drone grenade drops and rockets from top in urban environment.

They used those back in Syria, and Syrian rebels didn't have Javelins.

The Javelin thing is yet another lie spreaded by nafo retards for their little twitter propaganda war.
Just like the "Kiev in 3 days", "assaulting with shovels", "meat waves" and all that bullshit that is completely made up.

>>519115995
It's supposed to prevent drones from blowing up their tanks because they'll get tangled up in the wires and explode a few feet away from the armor instead of in direct contact with shaped charges.

>>519123696
whoever put it together, it looks like something used by an african warlord

to think that country used to be part of a fucking superpower

>>519115908 (OP)
pic rel is the driver

>>519115908 (OP)
you always laugh, and then a year later you copy it. all the high tech in the world, and nobody uses it because its an embarrassment how a vodkanigger with a WW2 rifle can sabotage it enough to be nothing more than a waste of money.
by the end of this century India will be the most powerful military, because they have the most niggers with a shovel, and even the chinese value their own lives more.
Delusional fucks. In the end Ukrainians and Russians are the same, like nobody outside of turkey knows the difference between a Turk and a Kurd. Nobody outside of Germany knows the difference between a Franconian and a Saxon.

Get real, have kids, love them. Learn from everyone.

>>519115908 (OP)
WITNESSS MEEEE FUCKING BASED

>>519121421
if it doesn't work then why are ukrainians using them too?

>>519117881
Does your skin tone suggest you’re a member of the global south? Honestly answer please I’m curious. I’m convinced 99% of pro Russian yank flags are shitskins or chinks

>>519124186
you have no archive link for that do you? what kind of professional article would even mention le cope cages jfc m8 stop playing map painter people are really actually fucking dying out there

>>519123556
Anti-NAFO drone will find you eventually.

>>519118970
>lessens the effect
shaped charges don't give a fuck what kind of material is in front of them for 2 meters, they slice through just about anything except neutron star matter.

>>519124328
I just googled it right now and I've seen other articles about it before, why are you angry at me?

>>519121056
>crush the detonator
No. It's to damage the copper cone, so the jet can't properly form. Modern day RPG warheads(those not made in shithole countries like RUssia), use dual-fuze system - impact at the top, inertial at the bottom.

Yeah this isn't shocking
I think the main thing holding up the Americans is they're trying to "look serious" while the Russian troops on the front line are trying whatever they think might work then if they survive they share it with others

Hell the Russians and Ukrainians both open source developed a range of anti-drone rifle munitions.
That's where war seems to be going. Rapid advancements but outside the traditional military industrial pipeline.

>>519124328
here's another. you should know that bunch of journos, be they legit or not, take their info from here and vice-versa. cope cage sounds funny and accurate, of course it would become widespread

>>519121354
I think it’s more pathetic that Russia has lost an unbelievable number of men and materiel for such little gain. If this is Russia winning a cannot imagine what Russia losing looks like holy shit. So many whites dead for fuck all, Putin sure is a genius

>>519115995
drone cope

>>519124419
>I just googled it right now and I've seen other articles about it before
thats good link them if you won't I win if you don't reply with a link then consider this sector of the map coloured pink

Boyz spikes are dakka but what if we make smarty rockets that shoot themselves at flying objects??

>>519122788
We’ve literally seen footage of Russians using donkeys and golf carts nigger. Is this what a military with plenty of vehicles looks like?

>>519123223
Lmao

>>519124590
Unfortunately the war is for the most part out of anyones hands
Putin and the civilian government can't do much because the Russian military and intelligence community are the primary instigators and the ones most interested in continuing the war.
Zelensky can't stop because of a combination of Jewish bloodlust and knowing he's dead soon as the war stops either due the Ukrainians lynching him or the west having him killed.
The western governments can't stop it because they're in too deep plus the US military and intel communities are both furiously masturbating to the prospect of sending young white men to die. All while the MIC is celebrating record profits and buying new child sex slaves for all their friends

>>519124627
jesus christ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/images-show-wild-vehicle-cage-armor-for-drones-ukraine-war-2025-8

https://www.twz.com/land/ukrainian-m1-abrams-tanks-get-elaborate-cope-cages-soviet-explosive-reactive-armor

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/what-are-cope-cages-is-this-the-new-battle-tech-ukraine-war-sees-bizarre-armor-to-outsmart-deadly-drones/articleshow/123281362.cms?from=mdr

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/05/14/ukraine-is-adding-anti-drone-cages-to-drones

dumbass... you know who else is coping besides those tanks? (You)

>>519115908 (OP)
Will this war lead to humanity inventing a true force field?

>>519124706
USA did the same in Afghan and Iraq.

>>519123437
Your leader cares so little about you he has killed over a million of you and has no problem killing millions more of his own people. How can you defend him and this sick war? We don’t defend our faggot leaders. Are Russians born with Stockholm syndrome?

>>519118420
>shell is going fast enough
>shell is going fast
what

>>519116507
Average burger post.

>>519115908 (OP)
>Chechen Wars happen
>Russians start using reactive and slat armor
>Durr look at the stupid russians and their cope bullshit
>GWOT happens
>Americans realize the Russians had it right
>crickets

>Ukraine happens
>Russians develop overhead slat armor and porcupines
>Durr look at the stupid Russians and their cope cages
>Ukrainians start doing it a year later
>crickets
Clockwerk

>>519124858
>We don’t defend our faggot leaders.
So, when you overthrow them? In two more weeks?

>>519124800
was that so hard, also I don't give shit about this conflict kek, funny how they're using cope cages in the mainstream though thanks for the links :P

>>519118970
that wasn't my point. shape charge wouldn't be able to disable a tank even from point blank, in most cases. Drone operators aim the drones for the weak points. And no cope cage will stop the shape charge jet. If it hits the weak spot it's all for nothing

the only thing they're stopping are conventional bombs, but they would stop that anyway

>>519124831
Yanks used donkeys and Chinese golf carts during Iraq and afghan? Mate were you even alive 2001-2003? US logistics was laughably OP for their missions

>>519120692
> he believes the wunderwaffel marketing material of not yet existing weapons
lmaoo you're fkn retarded. NATO is absolutely defenceless against drones currently

>>519121090
>>519121056
that makes sense

>>519124435
>>519121090
that makes sense

>>519124931
So your argument is you defend a psycho who thinks of you nothing more than dispensable pawns because we won’t overthrow our leaders? We don’t overthrow our leaders because like you we’d be imprisoned for life. The big difference is we don’t fucking defend our leaders. You’re defending your own murderer. Russian mentality is unbelievable

>>519125137
Russia seems to be defenceless too lmao two peas in a pod

>>519125040
The USA used donkeys and pack animals intermittently in areas where they couldn't reliably fly helicopters either due to the environment/weather or hostile forces who could easily target something as loud and obvious as a cargo helicopter

>>519124706
Zero footage tranny faggot.
If you mean the tactical 4wd vehicles why do you pretend NATO doesnt use them too?

>>519125040
https://www.google.com/search?q=us+army+buggy&udm=2
>inb4 this is different because they cost millions!

>>519124931

What do you mean, (You) overthrow them? It's your country, biggest in the world, richest in natural resources. But I guess there's a reason you are content to live according to pic related

>>519125303
The russian army is strong, fierce and fearless and pushes forward relentlessly inspite of dangers while Ukranians are out of men and NAFO cucks shit and piss themselves when a toy drone is heard near an airport.

>>519125388
Newfaggot shitskin we’ve all seen the webms you lying piece of shit

>>519123734
People have no clue.
Forces are 50 miles apart on the front lines and they send scouts to spot targets then call in artillery and glide bombers. There hasnt been a single meat wave video released this entire war.
Meatwaves were the beach at Normandy.
No, a dozen guys killed is not a meatwave.
Russia just invented a new glide bomb that increased the range from 75km to 150km
Huge game changer

>>519125509
>russian army is strong
Lmao so strong they’re destroying themselves and economy warring with Ukraine. Everyone has clearly seen Russia is a paper tiger, even trump and his cronies admit it. Why are you shitskins in our countries btw? If you love Russia so much why the fuck are you here?

>>519120106
You're an idiot. There is no such thing as perfect defense. There are videos of these defenses working vs drones. Obviously there will also be instances where the defenses fail. They could have higher tech defenses like point defense lasers and microwaves that could just as easily be overwhelmed by throwing more drones at them, which would still be cheaper than the advanced systems deployed to stop them. Or they can throw a bunch of cheap junk on top that will be marginally less effective but more cost effective than the high tech expensive junk.

>>519125717
I have not seem a single "golf cart" and neither have you, tranny faggot shill

>its ok when we use them

>>519125194
>We don’t overthrow our leaders because like you we’d be imprisoned for life.
So all you can do is just pointlessly let off steam online (but only if you have loicense and digital ID).
>The big difference is we don’t fucking defend our leaders.
If it doesn't change anything, then what's the point in your activity? If either you criticize or not your murderous bloodthirsty leaders still would have as much meaning as the wet fart in the middle of nowhere.

>>519125443
No that’s not the difference, the difference is US deploys them appropriately whereas Russia deploys them out of desperation and because you have no other choice. You can keep lying all you want but we know your military is fucked. All you have is manpower. Your oil production is even becoming desperate. Was all this worth it mate? Really think about it. All for some shitty eastern Ukraine towns and villages. Do you really see Putin as a good leader? He’s wrecked your country and global reputation that will takes generations to fix

God, I love this country so much

>>519126013
That’s because you’re a newfaggot

>>519126013
Nonono you see that is a "high mobility tactical vehicle"

>>519115908 (OP)
Dakka!!!
Boys! Eere we good!
WwwwAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

>>519115908 (OP)
That's a Dark Souls boss

>>519126131
>the difference is US deploys them appropriately whereas Russia deploys them out of desperation
Yeah, literal retard.

>>519126050
Wait… so you really are saying you don’t hate your leaders because it won’t change anything? Wow. That’s some masochism right there. You could at least hate your captors you cuck

>>519126304
>he has no answer

>>519125194
Russia grew larger, Russians grew larger
what else do you fucking want? freedumbs?
my sole quip with current leadership is the lack of cosmos oriented stuff, otherwise im highly content

>>519126154
Including your leaders?

>>519124366
kek

>>519126360
No, I'm asking why you don't do anything besides uselessly cope online, if you hate your bloodthirsty leaders so much? You're even more pathetic than cucks then.

>>519126431
Fuck me I thought backwards russian mentality was a meme! You really are orcs

>>519126590
>You really are orcs
pft lad

>>519126590
He is right though. We should all think that way. I infact want Germany to conquer Poland but my retard cuck leaders will never do so.

>>519126588
I don’t cope online. I hate my leaders for many reasons while you Russians seem to have this strange mentality of loving your captors. I’ve never seen anything like it. Hitler was right about you lot, you’re subhuman orcs with no human decency

>>519125885
> Lmao so strong they’re destroying themselves and economy warring with Ukraine
> source: queef independent and British NAFOIDds lmao

the whole of europe is shitting itself, German cucks are taking up massive loans just to get their pitiful army in a remote chance to defend against russia while begging the US to stay in Europe by buying billions and billions of american LNG and weapons. LOL! And dont get me started on not-so Great Britain. Russia could take the Baltics if it wanted a all you NafOids could do is squueeel)

>>519126477
sure >>519126431

>>519126752
No we should be intelligent enough to evaluate costs and benefits. Tanking your country for generations to reclaim some shitty eastern ukranian towns and villages is Africa nigger tier logic. This is why churchill was also a retard

>>519126839
When will Russia talk the Baltics? After it’s finished conquering Ukraine in 2 weeks? Hahaha
Listen, I know how fucked our military is because I don’t lie about it whereas Russians cant help but lie. World class 2nd most powerful military my fucking arse

>>519126013
These are only used for logistics, right?

>>519126755
Your behavior reminded me of something.
>His eyes re-focused on the page. He discovered that while he sat helplessly musing he had also been writing, as though by automatic action. And it was no longer the same cramped, awkward handwriting as before. His pen had slid voluptuously over the smooth paper, printing in large neat capitals —

>DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
>DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
>DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
>DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER
>DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

>over and over again, filling half a page.

>He could not help feeling a twinge of panic. It was absurd, since the writing of those particular words was not more dangerous than the initial act of opening the diary, but for a moment he was tempted to tear out the spoiled pages and abandon the enterprise altogether.

>He did not do so, however, because he knew that it was useless. Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The Thought Police would get him just the same. He had committed — would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper — the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed for ever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.

>>519120692
ah, starwars again. gorbatchev believed the shit but putin seems to be smarter.

>>519115908 (OP)
lmao is this the new version of the wage cage

>>519126744
>pft lada

>>519127311
That’s a good reference. But like I said, it’s no better to decide to love your captor, that just makes you even more of a little bitch. I will hate my evil leaders til the day I die. Those Russians arrested for holding up blank pieces of paper were braver than you and I

>>519116222
A modern shaped charge has ideal standoff over one meter long and are still effective far beyond the prongs of the orc contraption. What they hope for is that the wires hits the drone before the detonators and turn the drone away from the tank making the shaped charge miss or at least not hit the vital part it was aimed for.

>>519127561
Cuck-kun, what you fail to understand is that if there's anything Russians can hate Putin for is for his indecisiveness and constant desire to be hoodwinked by well-known crooks, and hist retarded hope to end the (not)war without ending Ukraine for good.

>>519128363
You don’t care that millions of whites have died and your economy fucked for very little gain? Slav deriving from slave was only supposed to be a meme

>>519124270
CISSYTO means CSTO; the russia and its allies.

>>519120692
How about if we strapped niggers to the outside of our tanks, would that help?

>>519129514
Ah I see my mistake I thought it was get another gay phrase used by shitskins and russians

>>519115908 (OP)
Love some good orc tanks

>>519128985
They could just accept our terms and end the (not)war a week after it started. Buy your MIC bribed B.Jonsonuk, and he in turn bribed Zelensky, to continue the war to the last Ukrainian. And Putin constantly reminds that it's not too late to accept our terms anytime and become completely neutral and disarmed, which I find pathetic because I want for Ukraine to case to exist as a country, but I also understand where he comes from.
On the other hand, if war was stopped now and left to fester, it will be even worse 5-10 years later. So yeah, peace is still an option. but neither Ukraine nor your bloodthirsty leaders want it, and all you yourself can do in whine pathetically in your alcove about how you hate Big Them.

The USSR collapsed, and the Russians, short on $$$, gave us their best tanks to repay their debt. Then, we built the K2 based on it and sold it to Poland, which was planning to attack Russia. This is a complete black humour.

>>519118269
>Does it?

To a good extent yes. If that porcupine armor means the enemy must send 20-40 drones at a tank to destroy or disable it, that’s a massive improvement over 1 or 2 drones being needed to destroy or disable a tank.
Iirc one of the Russian turtle tanks (also with the porcupine armor) withstood over 60+ hits from FPV drones the Ukrainians sent at it. They eventually disabled it somehow, but it was able to lead the attack it was used in without major issues.

>>519115995
The future of warfare.

>>519126236
22 post nafo troon shill says what?

>>519115908 (OP)
This one is still my favourite

Beg NATO for Missles, Tanks, and Money - Sun Tzu

not cliking that shit

>>519130494
>If you’re strong, appear weak. Even if you’re weak, appear weak and shill Sun Tzu sayings.” ~ Sun Tzu

>>519129905
You never answer my questions. You’re a malignant and genocidal person. You don’t care that millions of whites have died and your standard of living will take generations to correct. The Russian mind is unique to me, you would sacrifice the universe in order to eradicate Ukraine. For that reason I hope you suffer more and more with every year that passes. I can tell you’re absolutely seething that the world dare not bend the knee to your sick demands. You truly are a narcissistic subhuman people. There is no reasoning with a Russian, the niggers of Europe. Cockroaches even. You don’t care how bad your life becomes as long as others are also suffering. If only Patton had been allowed to finish the job the world would have been spared so much death and suffering

>>519130292
Ho ho ho excellent quip my third world diaspora friend

>>519115908 (OP)
Shrike tank

>>519130969
>[useless cuck screeching intensifies]
Overthrow your genocidal leaders and then war will end within days, and they won't capture and send you to die for them next year.

>>519115908 (OP)

Installing TM-62 anti tank mines as reactive armor.....

Jebus Christ, simply humongous......

>>519131274
While Putin feeds your people into the meat grinder you thank him and offer to suck his cock. What a little faggot bitch you are

>>519125509
t. mussy immigrant

>>519121144
Thousands in metal? Ooh boy, must have set them back something fierce to spend a few extra thousand to try and protect a million dollar tank.

>>519131742

And it was still destroyed by a $200 drone. May as well have not tried and saved the money on that scrap metal and welding. The outcome was the same either way.

>>519120106
>pol said
Retard alert!

>>519120106
Troon cope

>>519131022
Ukraine started the war, tranny faggot
Shelling by ZELENSKY started 5 days before the invasion
Cope and seeth
Ukraine lost

>>519131569
Faggots like you really stand out here.
Try pretending you are not gay while posting

>>519131569
>whaaaaa, why can't you just submit to our hateful leaders just like I did reeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

>>519131970
You shitskins are absolutely obsessed with trannies lmao wtf is wrong with you? I bet you frequent tranny porn threads then after come here to call everyone trannies hahah get fucked you’ll never be white. I have XY chromosomes and a family. Seek therapy nigger/jeet/paki/chink/spic

>>519115908 (OP)
Drones have made war so fucking gay and stupid. War used to be cool and the machines used to wage war used to look awesome and intimidating. Now because of drones, those cool war machines have been turned into retarded looking abominations like this.

>>519132200
You’ve submitted TO YOUR OWN HATEFUL LEADERS THOUGH LMAO boots need licking, chop chop! Why haven’t you joined the army if you love your daddy so much??? Shouldn’t you be on the front line winning?

>>519120909
this is correct.

>>519126946
Well. Your leaders did just that and decided to replace you with a pack of wild pakis (they are cheaper and don't care about useless things like age of consent or human rights) while giving you an electronic ID so they can sue you for wielding assault memes without a loicense. Rejoice.

>>519115908 (OP)
N wot'z PORKY gunna dew bout it? WAGHAHA!

>>519123706
not sure if satirical or not but this has been the evolutionary course of spaced armor since the advent of the shaped charge. doesn't matter if it's ugly, as long as it works.

>>519122282
Why are you engaging with a memeflaggot? All meme flags are Jewish homosexuals.

Okay we've seen plenty of drone vs tank and drone vs infantry.

Will we ever get drone vs drone kino?

>>519132594
Do you think you’re telling me something I don’t already know? Like I said I hate my leaders whereas the masochistic Russian mindset means you love your leaders for doing the same. A million Russians died and will be replaced by churkas and all sorts of filth

>>519132324
run it through translate if you can't read vodka runes

>>519132387
>someone who isn't allowed to even think without loicense, much less blink or breathe, saying something about others

>>519116507
I'll show this in the future.

>>519132787
>as long as it works
I think that’s what’s really being questioned anon

>>519133045
I give up, I always thought Russians were intelligent. You think it’s a superior position to just love the oppression instead

>>519131460
Kek. Those are smoke mines.

>>519133063
if it increases your survivability at all, it works. there's a vid from a couple months ago when this hedgehog shit started popping up of a barn tank fitted with these things that got swarmed by like 30 drones and it caught a good half of them without causing them to detonate.

>>519115908 (OP)
ukranny on the other hand

>>519133301
And then what happened?

>>519127512
>lada tech tree
y e s

>>519133462
and then it went back home to it's barn tank family and lived happily ever after. fin.

>>519133152
>oppression
It's because you gobble up your MSM propaganda slop like pathetic cuck you are. It would be an insult to anyone to be acknowledged by you as "intelligent".

>>519133152
>You think it’s a superior position to just love the oppression instead

>>519124270
Quiet Muhammad humans are speaking.

>>519129741
Nah, its just another gay term used by shits/k/ins and GAYTO mutts such as yourself.

>>519133551
Based on a true story.

>>519116128
Well how would you protect your tank from drones?

>>519115908 (OP)
Da meks say da elektric waaagh gubbins ain't enuff an we gotsta start puttin spikey bits on da battle wagons ta keep da buzzy booms out. Can't let da stormboyz an' kommandos 'av all da fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0uBU5ddX4U

>>519115995
Drones make most old school 'Active Protection Systems' obsolescent. The defenses attached to tanks to make RPGs and the like explode away from the main hull.
Russians can't afford the R&D to develop more modern countermeasures nor do they have the long time it would take to figure that out regardless.
So this is their cope. Hope that the drones get tangled in the wires or otherwise that it acts as a standoff so the shaped charge explosives they carry aren't as effective.

>>519132387
jew

>>519130072
>20-40
It's up to 40 because one got very lucky against a group with only cheap Anti Personel variants, for the vast majority of these they take 4 at most, it's also are useless against anything else.

>>519126431
You, personally, are a nigger.

>>519134114
ATM no one has APS capable of dealing with the drones. Which is silly, because drones (40 m/s) are much easier to intercept than RPG warheads (300 m/s), the only problem is hemispherical coverage.

>>519126755
This. They’re subhuman and just accept that their leaders view them as disposable mass and then use them as such. They are willing slaves who don’t even resent their slavery. The Russian people really should be exterminated like the vermin they are.

>>519131824
The drones the military uses aren't $200. Try more like $2k which is really cheap considering how militaries get gauged on everything they buy. Many are $25-50k

>>519133765
>he doesn’t think he’s oppressed, while facing the possibility of being forcefully drafted to fight a kikewar
We’re all being oppressed in one way or another fag, your way of just loving it as some weird form of cope is disgusting

>>519133290
>smoke mine
wut

>>519133893
Leave my country you dark cunt

>seething 1pbtid NAFOids swarm the thread
kek

>>519123734
>"Kiev in 3 days"
is this nie officially in the "no one ever said this" bucket of the 3 DAY SMO?

>>519127512
How does someone with ukro flag not recognize UAZ?

Looks based

>>519134460
That's a deal. Let's you try it and we see what comes about, mate.

>>519133835
>t. obese octoroon mystery meat

>>519134460
what if i told you you could go to ukraine right now and put your money where your mouth is?

>>519133961
>Well how would you protect your tank from drones?
I'd probably nuke Kiev and declare checkmate. Drones justify attacks on civilian populations.

>>519133961
Develop something that pulses a signal that jams the controller. Eliminate the disease rather than trying to ease the symptoms.

>>519115908 (OP)
bump

>>519134183
I denounce the Talmud
Try again leb cunt

>>519134633
EW? That has been a thing for decades. It works, but drones can be made pretty resilient against jamming and the ones guided by wire are completely immune.

>>519131970
haven't heard this line before, you are desperate
>muh buhu we wuz attacked n shiiit

I predicted this 3 years ago search archive for hedgehog porcupine tank
3 fugging years

Now Ill tell nato how to fuck
Russian drones fpv and optical dont have filters om their CMOS that is their camera
Without the camera they are literally useless and blind even AI ones
Simple removal of cameras 20km depth and 40 degree field
Bright fucking light
Bright lights like lime lights but more
A single truck of tens of kW power can make more than 100k lux thats brighter than mid day sun
Point several of these in general direction of Ruskie drones
There, Ruski drones all of them get too contrasting images
Its as if in darkness someone flashes sun at your eyeballs
Now combine this with lasera and the german autocannons gepards to shoot down artillery shells to protect your Bright Lights

There simple and effective, deploy this in 10km field and you can advance to Stalingrad in a day

>>519134633
drone with a mile long fiber cable just blew your ass up

>>519127512
>>519134573
And now when I look at it, there's a guy riding in engine bay. Probably operating throttle manually since cable broke while guy behind steering wheel can't see shit because of the hood.
What a clusterfuck.

>>519115908 (OP)
Shit looks metal af.
Actually orcish.
Based

>>519134401
The issue isn't velocity.
Its the cheapness and the number that can be deployed in quick succession that also target inconvenient locations.
Compared to any RPG, drones might as well be waddling, but like you say, they have a huge fluidity of approach, they also don't endanger their operators to use, and can be 'spammed'. And that makes most classic APS systems only a bit better than nothing.
Most of the old APS were designed to handle one or two RPG wielding ninjas popping up and blasting the side of your tank before trying to escape. Maybe something more significant if they were high end. And that paired well with the idea that your tank was always deployed with a bunch of infantry around it to help scout for those RPG wielding ninjas.

Today a team of guys drinking coffee in a bunker can pilot over a bunch of these drones and you'll just have to take it.

>>519130969
Hail Britain fir that solo

>>519134989
Not if you point Bright Lights at em from various dirrctions

>>519134105
>what is geographical location
Kys nafo troon

>>519134989
>Uses a 2 million dollar missile to intercept a 2 dollar drone from alibaba.

I will never fucking step into the battlefield as an infantry.

>>519134897
just fly drone into the lights, no need to even search targets since they're marked by bright lights

>>519134989
ATM Drones arent spammed in quantities that would overwhelm such a system.

>>519134897
Adding dark/polarization filter on camera would be trivial compared to fielding mobile lighthouses on the battlefield.

>>519120692
Can't lasers be defeated by shiny/mirrored surfaces?

>>519115908 (OP)
WITNESS ME!!

>>519135544
I'd really like to see a laser test vs a chromed drone. It will be kino if lasers become a thing, imagine a fully chromed out tank built to reflect lasers

>>519120106
that tank is actually undamaged /k/oper

>>519134989
>There's too few rounds in the APS to handle drones
Just add more

Give it 6 months, hohol tanks will be looking exactly the same and they will claim it is brilliant hohol engineers idea

>>519130072
>withstood over 60+ hits from FPV drones the Ukrainians sent at it.
It was a BMP actually.
>They eventually disabled it somehow
It got detracked or had some mechanical issue and the crew abandoned it, the clip of it being destroyed has a drone with a PG-7 flying into an open hatch while the BMP sits there in the open, clearly abandoned.
>>519134401
>drones (40 m/s) are much easier to intercept than RPG warheads (300 m/s)
Drones are easier to intercept but much harder to identify. Rockets are easier to distinguish from random crap due to being much faster and hotter. If a drone is just hovering or slowly flying towards you the system needs to be able to tell the difference between a drone and bird for instance. If you make the system just shoot anything that moves towards you, you end up having you active protection system blast your infantry or empty its magazine into a nearby tree when the wind blows some leaves off it, if you don't make it sensitive enough it ignores drones that it should target. Distinguishing between a drone and random crap around you also adds a huge computational and sensor burden. Detecting an incoming missile needs relatively simple sensors, usually just a doppler radar, but if you want to detect and identify incoming drones, which could be just laying on the side of the road in standby to ambush you, so you will want high resolution radars, thermal imagers, cameras, microphones to listen for buzzing, all sorts of shit. You'll need a lot of computational power so the APS can identify the drone and shoot it before it hits, and the more data you feed it, the more computer power it'll need. Your enemies are going to do everything they can to make that job harder too, so you'll start seeing drones with countermeasures to confuse sensors or disguised to look like birds.

>>519120692
Why would this be any better than a normal AA gun?

>>519126388
Told you guys the hedgehog would work.

>>519135241
Same applies for EW just make a seeker seek out the strongest signal
You can protect a dozen Bright Lights easier with gepards and others even shotguns than without them and also you can use them as bait while other not yet turned on lights advance further

>>519135321
>Adding dark/polarization filter on camera
Yes but until Russians equip all drones with filters its too late youre already in Grozny having tea with Kadyrovs daughters
Even so, even when they have filters you just switch to pulsating mode now forcing ruskies to use faster processing chips which they dont have

>>519135948
Yeah that's neato, but it just doesn't seem like Russia is winning anything with this shit. The only reason the war keeps going is because Putin can't lose face and survive. It's totally self-destructive to Russia.

>>519120692
>Turn it on
>Every electronics system around it is fried, friend or foe alike.

Welp there goes your 100 million dollar tank.

>>519133961
buy $560 anti-drone tech from alibaba.
Honestly the idea to me that Russia is being supported by China in this war is hilarious to me when literally 90% of Ukraine strikes on Russia are being facilitated by Chinese hardware makes me laugh.

>>519120106
>Doesn't work
>Tank is fine
Mk anon....

>>519135994

It fires in a cone so accuracy is not an issue. It also does not use ammo and as long as it has power it has infinite shots. It's cost per shot is also essentially nothing.

>>519135651
>"war is hell"
>he said, while taking cover behind his disco ball tank playing rave music

>>519135978
>Drones are easier to intercept but much harder to identify. Rockets are easier to distinguish from random crap due to being much faster and hotter.
Modern HD VIS camera paired with image recognition algorithms should be able to ID drone at 1km range. The doppler radar or whatever shit on modern APS that is required to detect and locate a rocket is much more expensive.

>>519136188
>Yes but
Before you design battlefield lighthouse with enough power, the war is over.

>>519126839
>German cucks are taking up massive loans just to get their pitiful army in a remote chance to defend against russia
Are you retarded or something? Don't answer that since you're obviously a shitskin. Russia is zero threat to NATO. It would be suicidal to trigger Article 5. The only way they would do this is with full backing and troop commitments from China.

>>519120692
KEK.....They would fry their own equipment too. You fuckers are idiots. Too much government propaganda and star wars media consumption.

>>519136641
>Russia is zero threat to NATO
Russia is the USAs ally.
The natural resources Russia has are staggering. The only enemy of Russia is the EU and the EU would surely fail in a war against Russia.

>>519134114
>Russians can't afford the R&D to develop more modern countermeasures
Is this a MUH GDP argument?

>>519120692
>NATO is developing lasers that can shoot down a penny sized target moving at hypersonic speeds from miles away
Why?
There are no weapons that produce penny sized projectiles that move at hypersonic speeds...
Sounds like bullshit...

>>519136873
No its a u losing a refinery a week and and gutting your private sector to wage a pointless war argument.

>>519136674

It's a directed energy weapon retard. That is like saying if you fire a gun, it kills everyone around it including the person firing it. It only fries whatever you point it at.

>>519136896

Because if you can shoot down a penny moving at hypersonic speeds you can shoot down a drone moving at a fraction of that speed, or a hypersonic missile, or anything in between.

>>519127695
Which of these could be carried by a drone, you fucking imbecile?

>>519136965
Ukraine has no refineries and that didn't stop the war just saying.

>>519115908 (OP)
based, hail Russia

>>519115908 (OP)
I can only conclude one of two different things.
1) That tanks are now as obsolete as cavalry
or
2) Tanks are still very useful and their vulnerability to drones is greatly exaggerated.

At this stage I am still leaning towards the first conclusion. That is not to say tanks are utterly useless. Just like in WW1 and WW2 cavalry still retained some niche uses. Perhaps it would be fairer to say they should just be categorized as expensive mobile artillery.

>>519136965
HAIL RUSSIA BITCH

>>519137199
China can end this drone thing with one party decree - banning or limiting export of drone parts and it's all over.

>>519130072
>If that porcupine armor means the enemy must send 20-40 drones at a tank to destroy or disable it, that’s a massive improvement over 1 or 2 drones being needed to destroy or disable a tank.
>if
Does it though?

>>519136873
If you want a real economics argument, picrel is your "GDP." Russia is being permitted to keep selling oil to India in order to keep global prices stable. If it wasn't for this remaining source of revenue, your economy would have already collapsed. It could very well be the case that the West is letting your country exhaust itself on Ukraine as part of a bigger plan to eventually turn you into a colony.

>>519120692
>from miles away
That kind of power would require unit of the size of patriot battery with all the generators and auxillary vehicles. Powerful lasers like that are for navy or strategic Point Defense or Israel.

Lambert Beer is exponential, saar.

>>519137111
They also get their funding from the west unlike Russia who's footing the bill themselves just saying

>>519129688
Yes, that helps.
>>519136188
You're dumb and your idea is dumb. Your wunderwaffle wouldn't work and even if it did it'd just get stuck in a minefield and shelled.
>>519136591
Image recognition alone is completely insufficient. Aside from it not working at all during foggy weather or being blinded by smoke, it's too easy to fool. You don't just have the problem that it would be easy to make it not recognize the drone as a threat, but the moment you lose a single vehicle without its APS system being completely torched you would suddenly have the problem that the enemy could use their own LLMs to generate arbitrary prompt injection attacks on your APS system that cause your APS system to fire on friendlies. You could just be driving down the street then a pattern painted on a wall would make your APS ventilate a whole squad of friendlies.

>>519137220
You're a faggot

>>519137445
this is your gdp

>>519134631
this. easily this. drones are guerilla warfare, so guerilla countermeasures is applicable

if they begane using drones in a war on US soil we will just begin with killing all brown families

>>519137403
Most likely not. Just as you need a lot more than 1-2 drones on average to destroy an unprotected tank.

>>519137445
My point is that the entirety of western MIC had almost 4 years of R&D opportunities fueled by their glorious GDP powers.
Yet what we've seen so far is the same cope cages Israel used.

>>519136591
>Before you design battlefield lighthouse with enough power, the war is over.
Well with that attitude explains why your Slovakian flag is the size of a bean on a map and a German can take a piss over it to hit Ukraine
Just take a normal lighthouse and put it on a suv and if you add BOEING brand sell it for 500 million the EU will pay

>>519137488

Nigger please, youtubers are making lasers that can melt holes through sheet steel at a mile away with parts scavenged from microwaves.
Lasers are no longer these things that need an entire nuclear power plants worth of energy to burn a hole through a piece of paper.

>>519137914
Lasers are already in use in several thousands by both Ukraine and Russia
Sometimes both burn tires and old trash at targeted sites to make it appear as a hit
They work for stationary defense but cant yet be mounted and not worth it against smaller drones FPVs at frontline

Thats what the lighthouse can disturb. The frontline drones.

>>519134897
What is your IQ? 50?
I'm sure you can make those thing cost lesser than a couple of hunreds of bucks because making a drone that will target that crap is even cheapen than having a normal FPS drone, because you don't need to aim it, just make it fly towards intense source of light.
Besides, any crap that requires direct line of sight and is simultaneously positioned on the ground is never going to be efficient simply because
>what is horizon?

>>519137914
send youtubers to ukraine lmao
>laser goes piupiu

>>519133961
like this, on a turret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE

>>519130154
what is that in the front, land mine triggerer?

>>519137628
mad?

>>519137597
>Aside from it not working at all during foggy weather or being blinded by smoke
Same goes for drone cameras.

>You don't just have the problem that it would be easy to make it not recognize the drone as a threat,
Against ground clutter it wont be easy, but against sky it is easy. Plus it gets much easier once you get close. At 1km range its basically operating as early warning.

>but the moment you lose a single vehicle without its APS system being completely torched you would suddenly have the problem that the enemy could use their own LLMs to generate arbitrary prompt injection
Nope. Given the parameters of the situation that's bordering impossible. The APS fires when enemy object is very close (lots of pixels in width), if you want to fool the algorithm you would have to produce a "hacking picture" that's either too close or too large.

>>519137914
ytubers are making 100+kW class lasers? Cool.

>>519138794
Yeah mine rollers.

>>519139093

You obviously do not know much about lasers if you think it's all about how much kW you put in. A 250 watt laser for example can melt through a penny in 0.1 seconds at 10ft (but the same laser couldn't melt through something like an ice cube even in a minute).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNmbvaUzC8Q

But here you go. Not even a particularly strong laser, but it's putting holes through metal, clay and gypsum at huge distances and the only reason it doesn't have a much longer range is he cannot hold the beam steadily enough.

>>519137787
You have no idea what the western MIC is or is not developing. And Ukraine is obviously not getting any of the top secret modern tech.

>>519138237
Flying lighthouse
By time light seeking drones appear frontline is wrecked

>>519139737
>Sheet steel at mile away
>Akshully 250 watt laser burning penny in 0.1 seconds at 10 rabbit jumps
Mein Gott, I hate amerisharts.

>>519140199

He literally says in the video it has the power to melt through steel at like a mile away, except it just doesn't have the accuracy needed to actually do it.

>>519140400
>He literally says in the video
Cool, where is the video of melting steel at +1km distance?

>>519140464

Try watching the video.

>>519139896
If you had any "top secret modern anti-drone tech" jews would've had it at Gaza.

>>519137787
Our wise and infallible leaders are just keeping the superweapons to themselves. Why wouldn't they? After all, Ukraine is doing fine without them, they're killing 14 Russians for every Ukrainian casualty, and the Ukrainians all get medical treatment and can return to the front, while Russians who are injured invariably die. Aren't you aware that Ukraine now has artillery superiority over the entire front? If Russia attacks Poland or the Baltics then NATO absolutely has the means to counter Russian drones, and then the superior NATO equipment and doctrine will prevail. The tolerance, diversity, and economic prosperity of Europe is proof that the Europeans are racially superior to the Russians, and without Europe the stupid Russians will eventually collapse and the most valuable parts of Russia will be ruled by benevolent European peacekeepers and the rest will be kept unstable to threaten China. This will secure American global dominance for the foreseeable future, so we will always be able to serve Our Greatest Ally.
>>519139093
>Same goes for drone cameras.
Drones equipped with thermals or just flying blind into a cloud of smoke would remain effective. A tank is a lot bigger than a drone, the drone has a lot better chance of hitting a tank flying blind than vice versa.
>Against ground clutter it wont be easy, but against sky it is easy. Plus it gets much easier once you get close. At 1km range its basically operating as early warning.
Even against the sky the adversary will quickly come up with paint jobs and other tricks to confuse image recognition algorithms. These will be patched fairly quickly, but they'll keep coming up with new options until your image recognition is so broad you're back shooting birds and leaves.
>Given the parameters of the situation that's bordering impossible.
If you're only using optical image recognition then there are going to be plenty of ways to fool that using false perspective or projectors or all sorts of tricks.