Thread 519141184

The Germans never used the word "swastika". They called it the Hakenkreuz (hooked cross). Don't let the Hollywood jews deceive you.

the black cross represents the Teutonic order

>>519141184 (OP)
We call it Hookcross here. Hakaristi.

>>519143056
yea, i noticed that europeans are correct in identifying it as a hooked cross. seems like the angloshperes are the ones that have been deceived by hollyweird.

>>519141184 (OP)
I calll it a whirling log

>>519141184 (OP)
Why is it crooked though? Is it different from the ancient Aryan symbol?

>>519141184 (OP)
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>>519143339
>HURR DURRR NAZIS WERE ACTUALLY CHRISTKEKS
lmao you are pathetic

>Germans didn't use the English word to name a thing in German
whoah!!!!

>>519143549
>hurr durr everything i know about the third reich comes from hollywood jews

>>519143590
swastika isnt english

>>519143590
hooked cross is the english word for hakenkruez

>>519143656
hurrrrr point is the thing != the name you use to call it, dumb brown christian ape

>>519143733
symbols and their names are important. if the germans called it a hooked cross, then its a hooked cross. who decided to call it a swastika?

>>519143949
it's called a swastika in the english world mainly because it was repopularized from India
>Als nationale Sozialisten sehen wir in unserer Flagge unser Programm. Im Rot sehen wir den sozialen Gedanken der Bewegung, im Weiß den nationalistischen, im Hakenkreuz die Mission des Kampfes für den Sieg des arischen Menschen und zugleich mit ihm auch den Sieg des Gedankens der schaffenden Arbeit, die selbst ewig antisemitisch war und antisemitisch sein wird
>die Mission des Kampfes für den Sieg des arischen Menschen
gee next you are going to tell me "arisch" is a christian term

>>519144284
swastika isnt english. indians aren't english. nothing about it is english. whoever translated mein kempf to english used the word "swastika" instead of hooked cross for a reason. Hakenkruez translated to english is hooked cross, there is no denying that.

>>519143549
>Huh duh
Shut up Poo

>>519141184 (OP)
It’s a Kreuz with Haken so why would you call it anything else then a Hakenkreuz?

>>519144284
Arisch is a broadly European term, but not Christian. It literally refers to the Andronovo culture, which Slavs and Germanics to this day believe we are the descendants of by and large.

>>519144781
because they don't want the masses to know it was a Kreuz to begin with.

>>519141184 (OP)
Only Indians try to claim that the Hakenkreuz is a swastika. They just want any connection to being white. They hate being brown so they try to appropriate white culture because all they can do is shit in the streets and eat cow dung. They always conveniently "forget" to mention that this symbol was first discovered in what is now modern day Ukraine, by the far great ancestors of the white races.

>>519144781
Because you're too stupid to know the actual name of it while doing your half-assed "aryan" larp?

>>519141184 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz1aZq3axgg&list=RDtz1aZq3axgg&start_radio=1

>>519144841
"arisch" is fundamentally, like many other things, a product of the rediscovery of indo-europeans and the past of Europe, it's ultimately an indo-aryan borrowing like swastika that entered European languages from these linguistics/archaeological discoveries from the last 200 years

>>519144936
lol, what is this all about now?

>>519144923
You are not Aryan, Pashat Shakran. You want to be white so bad, but you forgot that your skin is the color of poo.

swastika is a farming calendar

>>519144852
Yeah, that’s retarted mate. Archeologists found Germanic artifacts with swastikas on them and rebranded it. It has nothing to do with Jesus’ cross

>>519144923
No idea what you nigger are talking about. A Hakenkreuz is not a swastika just because they look the same.

>>519145636
all i know is the swastika ain't the hakenkruez.

https://youtu.be/JCPZfOkVtGg?si=OdL8KBwJQXgTw_Qa
You guys are all retarded. The swastika/hooked cross is an ancient Indo-European symbol with particular significance to Germanic peoples and Hitler was sending a clear message by choosing it as the symbol of the National Socialist party.

>>519145836
Yeah, it is.

there's no greater shitskin detector that confusing word and concept/thing, they genuinely think if you change the word the thing isn't the same

>>519145958
swastika isn't a german word nor is it english. so why do we use it? if the germans clled it a hakenkruez then the english translation is hooked cross, not swastika. so who decided it was a swastika and not a hooked cross?

>>519141184 (OP)
Lol jeet hands wrote this
>They are genuinely asshurt over the bent cross being called a swastika.

>>519145836
>>519145958
semantical jewish arguments.
find something better to argue over.
Swastika is a farming calendar.
Hitler was obsessed with ancient buried forgotten history, relics, and knowledge

>>519146159
>Swastika is a farming calendar.
doesn't make any sense due to the precession of the poles, the current north star wasn't even the north star in antiquity

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>>519146133
so are you saying that hiler loved indians and modelled the hakenkruez after some sandskrit shit? get a grip.

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>>519146111
Who gives a fuck which word is used?

>>519146526
i do. misidentifying a symbol removes its power.

>>519144852
yes we do

>>519146111
because in the english word that symbol was much more widely known already as "swastika"

btw, OP is brown so he doesn't know, but this is a general characteristic of Germans vs Anglos, the latter tend to wholesale borrow words from other languages much more than the former, this goes back centuries, Germans tended to keep their language far more Germanic by coming up with semantic borrowings if needed using their own word roots, while I guess due to the Norman influence Anglos filled their tongue with wholesale borrowings
so the Hakenkreuz vs Swastika thing if anything reflects this tendency

>>519146841
well the nsdap didnt create the hakenkruez until the creation of the party. you are still stuck on the idea that swastika and hakenkruez are the same symbol.
the truth nearly came out.

>>519147231
a wop calling me brown is peak comedy.

>>519147270
they are, you are so colored like animal excrement you are unable to comprehend word != concept like all shitskinned animal filth aka christians >>519146048

>>519147420
its a hooked cross in english, nothing you say changes that. hakenkruez translated to english is hooked cross. nothing you say changes that.

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>>519147686
This is a level of pedantic autism that's too stupid to even deal with kek

>>519147686
it's also swastika and much more popularly so because you don't make the rules of how people in a country use words to understand each other, swastika as I demonstrated completely blowing the fuck out of you here >>519146841 was the much more used word in the english speaking sphere to name the symbol, hence the translation is perfectly fine

>>519147832
swastika isnt english though. sandskrit has nothing to do with english. germany however has everything to do with english.

>>519147899
nobody cares, swastika had already been borrowed into english and was used to name that particular pattern; coffee isn't english either, like countless other words we use everyday

>>519147899
English, German, and Sanskrit are all Indo-European languages

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>>519147766
germans were just bunch of wewuzers>>519146240
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>>519147985
non of that makes sense. its clear that the hakenkruez is a black cross of the tuetonic knights. which is apart of germanic history. the national socialists were about preserving their german identity. they chose their symbols very carefully.

>>519141184 (OP)
It's actually the black sun. You can call it the sunwheel or the wheel of time also. The reason why Hitler choose to use the swastika is because it's a sign of good luck and used all over the world so people would recognize it. It's "hooked" because it's not the actual swastika but a play on it. The swastika is the sun. 4 right angles is 360 degrees or a circle.

>>519148132
it has nothing whatsoever to do with teutonic knights you worthless lying christian animal, see >>519144284
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>>519144760
>memeflag accusing another of being dishonest
lol
Again, the overwhelming majority of non Whites are not capable of being religious, only copying what they perceive Whites doing in another example of cargo cult. To add to that, non Whites need Whites to remain as christian as possible, as that is the founding philosophy that allows them to leech off of Whites in the first place. jeets sided with the allies in WWII, and denounced the Central powers. Their holy men prayed to jesus to smite the Germans
https://www.bitchute.com/video/gkKItYtDxmyx

>>519147949
english and german are germanic languages. that indo-european shit makes no sense. jewish lies spread through hollywood and books.

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>>519141184 (OP)
You're forgetting the first part of the story.
The connection is real, indians say they're the ones that came up with the symbol, but they got it from the white/european Magi that fled Europe after the Flood (the Atlantic crossing the Pillars of Heracles, forming the Mediterranean sea). Remember Europa's myth? She was taken to the Middle East, where Zoroastrianism was founded, they travelled through the East teaching gnosis during the Axial Age.
So we don't need to rebrand what was originally ours, if you do so you're a bunch of faggots.

>>519148269
>subhuman dogshit colored beast denying the crown achievement of European linguistics, literally kickstarted by an Englishman and German philologists
like clockwork

>>519148132
lmao what a retard

>>519148198
ofcourse it does. the hakenkruez is literally a black hooked cross of the teutonic knights over a white mantle. you can see the speculation at the beginning of the thread.

>>519148404
nope see >>519144284
>>519147420
repeating it won't change the very words of Hitler himself on the choice

>>519148447
the only word that sticks out to me in your pic is "Hakenkruez" (hooked cross)

>>519148269
>bronze age europeans conquering and imposing themselves as aristocrats in indian and iran is jewish propaganda
jews are the reason we can't refer to the "indo-europeans" as aryans anymore in academia. if they could disprove that stuff they would but it's indisputable historical fact

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>>519148447
non of you have proven me wrong. hakenkruez is hooked cross. the hakenkruez is black over a white mantle. just like the teutonic knights coat of arms. if it was a swastika it would have dots and curves. they are clearly not the same symbol

>>519148580
saying that white people came from jeets is comically wrong.

>>519148779
That's not what I said in the slightest you baiting shitskin faggot

>>519143608
This is more correct. People who haven't read Mein Kampf shouldn't be posting here.

>>519148825
then why use the word swastika? it has nothing to do with white people. sandskrit is indian.

>>519148981
Sanskrit is an indo-european language descended from a language spoken by indo-europeans who invaded India in the Bronze Age. It has a shared ancestor language with Farsi and every European language except Basque, Finnish, and Hungarian

>>519149142
oh, so do you know many sanskrit words or is it just swastika?

>>519148981
Are you aware that Great Britain conquered India in the 18th century? There's zero doubt that's why the Sanskrit word is used in English. In post-Christianization Europe the symbol basically died out but it's very common in India and Buddhist countries still to this day

>>519148681
They aren't trying to prove you wrong leaf. They are arguing in ignorance and bad faith. Of course the Hakenkruez is a combination of different Germanic/pagan esoteric and state/organizational symbolism. It's supposed to be unifying symbol for the new Reich that appeases all parties.

>>519149312
yea but we dont go around speaking sanskrit to each other lmao on the other hand indians speak english, the language of their conquerors

>>519149295
>Avatar, Karma, Yoga, Nirvana, Mantra, Guru, Pundit, Raj, Juggernaut, Bungalow, Thug, Veranda, Candy, Cashmere

>>519149315
i suspect they are idf

>>519149315
we already completely humiliated him and simply goes back to the same shitskin monkey script because he barely understands english and his IQ is 80
it's completely irrelevant what the Germans called it, in english sources the much more used word for it was swastika, hence translated as swastika, even the average christian monkey shouldn't have this much trouble understanding this

>>519149455
im not going to look at all those words to debunk them but i did look at candy, and the sanskrit word for sugar was "khanda". so do you usually hand out "khanda" or candy, for halloween?

>>519148681
lmao you never made any case you absolute retard
here you have all you need to know >>519146240
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>>519146470
swastika was symbol of iranian tribes
problem is only like 1/3 or less of german population have origins from iranian tribes
most are from celtic tribes and norse tribes who themselves were celtic and iranian tribes mixed since first protoslav/scythian related population started appearing in northeast sweden around 3000 bc
but swastika wasnt germanic or celtic symbol
they didnt use those
hitler started we wuzing and told himmler to shut up about history

>>519149782
>most are from celtic tribes and norse tribes who themselves were celtic and iranian tribes mixed since first protoslav/scythian related population started appearing in northeast sweden around 3000 bc
fucking lmao

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>>519149782
its not swastika, its hooked cross. when you speak to me in you will use English words, is that clear enough for you?

>>519149864
in english it's a swastika, see >>519146841
maybe if you desperately try to repeat it more you will undo getting completely blown the fuck out

>>519149691
You wanna real mindfuck look up how many common English phrases come from Hong Kong pidgin

>>519149913
you are the one that is struggling to understand how translations work.

>>519149836
Never play chess against pigeons...

>>519149612
It's not the swastika. It's the black sun. It only uses swastika symbolism to appease and grant good will and faith to other people who worship the sun. Again it's "hooked". It's not the swastika. That's intellectually lazy on your part to assume it's the same thing.

>>519149836
not an argument
pic rel
>>519149864
your brain is hooked cross retard

>>519149977
you are projecting, translation != etymological word for word translation, it's why we don't translate Unschuldigkeit as guiltlessness but innocence(Latin word), if your skin didn't resemble the excrement of animals and you spoke few modern and ancient languages like me you'd understand this

>>519149836
Are you brown, spaghetti nigger?

>>519150084
another feces colored beasts completely filtered by the word != concept filter, it's genuinely incredible how it catches the fecaloids one by one

>>519150141
>memeflag
>spaghetti nigger
I wonder who could be behind the memeflag

>>519143549
first, if you've gonna start the leaf copypasta, at least finnish it. second, if you're gonna do the copypasta, used the proper VPN you absolute queer.

>>519150200
>Translation i am a white supremacist who hates people by the color of their skin

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>>519150117
better cropping

>>519150127
how can hakenkruez be translated in english to a word that isn't english? makes no fucking sense. the proper translation of hakenkruez in english is hooked cross. there is no denying that. swastika != hakenkruez

>>519150306
calling that proto-iranian is something so retarded only a professional toilet cleaner could comeup with it, why don't you call it proto-silesian you dumb monkey?

>>519150364
so where is your counterargument you clinical retard

>>519150335
makes perfect sense because language as it's used doesn't obey to your rules but to how the speakers commonly use words, so if a foreign borrowing becomes commonly used to describe X, then it's perfectly reasonable to translate concept X in Y language with it, it's the swastika because in the english language since more than a century that thing with 4 hooked lines is commonly called swastika

>>519150407
were you not completely braindead you would understand I just did
tell me why the fuck would you call an haplogroup that is 5000 years old and vastly predates the formation of proto-indo-iranian let alone proto-iranian as proto-iranian any more than proto-silesian

>>519150335
You HAVE to be baiting with this shit, even niggers aren't this stupid

>>519150461
what is the italian word for hakenkruez? is it swastika or croce uncinata?

>>519150619
we didn't plunge ourselves in indology as much as Anglos for obvious reasons and like Germans we have been relatively conservative with foreign borrowins, so the latter for the most
your point? Italian != German != English, we're talking about translation in English

>>519150563
because all of those groups shared same language and culture already than
thats why you have swastikas from india to scandinavia you absolute retard
and thats why most basic words in sanskrit and slavic are so similar >>519147985 >>519149782
thats why those are defacto proto-iranian tribes who together with proto-italoceltics created root of proto-indo-europeans you braindead spagghetti

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>>519150714
and protoiranian tribes who traveled to scandinavia were in majority assimilated by celtic related tribes who migrated through denmark
some returned with rurik or migrated elsewhere

>>519150714
>because all of those groups shared same language and culture already than
the question remains, the culture of corded ware people when that haplogroup began expanding wasn't any more proto-iranian than it was proto-germanic, so it doesn't make any sense to call it proto-iranian
furthermore, the real indo-aryan lineage is Z93, you are closer in haplogroup philogeny to Germanics than you are to indo-aryans
again, stick to things you may understand like plumbing

>>519144781
>It’s a Kreuz with Haken so why would you call it anything else then a Hakenkreuz?
>>519144852
>because they don't want the masses to know it was a Kreuz to begin with
This.

Jews projected their own demonic nature onto the Germans in every way possible. That's how the jews deceived whites into killing other whites - by lying and claiming the victim whites behaved like jews.

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>>519150595

yea and sanskrit isnt fucking english either. so the proper translation of hakenkruez is hooked cross. simple as. i don't get what is so hard to understand about that.

>>519150845
nope, you have already been completely humiliated on this point, the common word for that thing in the english language since more than 100 years ago has been swastika, regardless of where the word came from, hence the translation as swastika
even an excrement colored beast can get it

>>519144781
>>519144903
lols

>>519150812
too keep this claim artificialy alive you have to keep ignoring how slavic is close to sanskrit >>519150714 >>519150306 >>519149782
you italians truly are no different than jews
even greek/roman historians called proto-slavs sarmatians(iranic tribe)

>>519150845
>You should use a very nonspecific two word term instead of a one word exact term from a language spoken by people who still use the symbol commonly (you don't) and who you also rule over at the time

>>519150938
what do you mean no? hook = haken, kruezen = cross. hakenkruez = hooked cross. simple as. no ifs about it. i'm not making this up.

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>>519151053
>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin: Sarmatae Venedi).[4] Thereafter, the 2nd century Greco-Roman geographer Ptolemy in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Ouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which is equivalent to the southern shores of the Baltic. He names tribes south of the Greater Venedae along the eastern bank of the Vistula and further east.[5]

>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.

> the real indo-aryan lineage is Z93, you are closer in haplogroup philogeny to Germanics than you are to indo-aryans
again why are you ignoring this picture retard? >>519150306
and you also are ignoring the fact that slavic traditional clothing included swastikas while germanoceltics didnt

>>519151053
slavic is closer to sanskrit indeed, but in terms of Y-DNA philogeny you are closer to germanic
>even greek/roman historians called proto-slavs sarmatians(iranic tribe)
oh it's one of these monkeys, I remember dealing with you and blowing you the fuck out in another thread, nevermind, no serious discussion can be had
for anyone interested in actual science, https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09437-6

>>519151105
Lmao nobody thinks you're making that up hahaha

>>519151069
when it comes to symbols and terminology, yes. their names do matter. a hooked cross is not the same as a swastika.

>>519151105
again, irrelevant, language is descriptive, you don't get to decide how to translate a word based on your tastes alone, translation is based on communicating with people using the language they understand, hooked cross is the literal semantic and etymological translation, yes, swastika is how that thing was known in the english word, you don't make the rules, I don't either, much like a good translator wouldn't translate every German compound abstract word with the Anglish semi-unknown literal equivalent in place of the more well known Romance/Latinate word

>>519151294
Yeah a "hooked cross" could to refer to any number of completely different symbols

>>519151259
well the suspected idf agents sure seem to think that the english word for hakenkruez is swastika when its quite literally hooked cross.

>>519151394
what's the english word for coffee? and don't say coffee

>>519151363
its not my taste lol. its word for word. german to english. its fact.

>>519151226
yea because of 5000 years of living around germans and mixing with their women but also man
we are not 100% proto-iranian r1a but this >>519150306
shows you populations that originated from proto iranians and traveled to europe
i used to think r1a in scandinavia came from slavs but one swede anon showed me almost 5000 years old remains found in sweden that had this proto-iranian related r1a

>>519151426
its coffee though. the word derrived from "turkish kahve" and dutch "koffie"

>>519146683
>misidentifying a symbol removes its power
This leaf knows how to skate.

Intentionally misidentifying a symbol is why the kikes refused to even make the mark of the Cross.

And why jewshills always use the misspelling "joos."

A symbol in its visual form retains its symbolic power, but changing the name severs the link between verbal discussion of the symbol (which is then limited to superficial, egoic understanding) and the symbol's unconscious, eternal power.

>>519151476
see that tiny barely visible grey square surrounded by light orange in>>519151226 corresponding to Z93? that's how iranian you are you fucking clown

>>519151554
>coffee
>turkish
therefore it's not english, Q.E.D

>>519151226
and looking at your picture at least 40% of poland is proto-iranian related while in germany its like less than 10%
thats why proto-slavic clothes had swastikas on them and proto germanic didnt

>>519151554
>turkish
What's it called in English leaf?

from now on, start referring to "coffee"(turkish word, yikes) as the black brew, nevermind people not understanding you

>>519151615
the turkish word is not coffee though it was kahve. completely different then saying swastika instead of the english word "hooked cross". we don't got around calling coffee kahve. why would we call a hooked cross a swastika then? makes no sense.

>>519151575
you are a fucking clown who cant understand proto slavs belonged to PROTO IRANIAN population not iranian population but shared same culture and language you absolute retard
thats why shit looks like that >>519146240
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>>519151650
nope, Z93 is the proto-indo-iranian lineage as 99.9% of R1a in Asia is that clade, which is almost completely absent in Balts and Slavs, but who am I kidding, why do I even waste my time with vermin on the dumbest board on 4chan by far

>>519151687
coffee is english, kahve is turkish. swastika is sandskrit, hooked cross is english. we don't go around saying we want a double double medium kahve.

>>519151715
Holy kek

>>519151790
oh so you normally go to a kahve shop and order a kahve? or do you speak fucking english?

>>519151740
z93 is INDOIRANIAN lineage you fucking retard
your arab genes are showing
you still never refuted the fact that proto slavic and proto iranian symbolism and language was the same

>>519151715
>little brow chimp implying swastika in sanskrit is pronounced just like some bloke from manchester pronounces it

>>519151715
>>519151784
I know this is bait because nobody is this stupid about romanization

>>519141184 (OP)
let me guess, these "germans" also never said anything about being indo-aryan street shitters either?

>>519151855
Are you talking about a svastica? Or do you speak fucking english?

>>519150619
In spanish it's esvástica.
Swastika is the symbol's name in english.
The sanskrit word is svastika.
Hakenkruez, cruz gamada or hooked cross are descriptions of its shape in different languages.
Swastika and hooked cross are the same thing. You're basically arguing over synonyms, retard.

>>519152132
svastica isnt english. its hooked cross.

>>519141184 (OP)
yeah, we Germans tend to speak in German. And we like calling things what they literally are. That is a hooked cross (Hakenkreuz). And it is not some poo in loo invention. It is a star constellation made by God, that is why this symbol is all across the ancient world, everybody understood that this refers to the constellation we know as the Big Dipper (der Große Wagen in German) that is turning around for thousands of years around the center of the firmament above us.

>>519152173
except swastika isnt remotely close to being an english word.

>>519152182
coffee neither, we still don't know what that thing is called in english, such a shame

>>519152248
Fucking lmao

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>>519151885
if you still want to talk shit in the future i'll post last argument
PROTO IRANIANS AND PROTO INDO IRANIANS BOTH ORIGNATED AROUND EAST UKRAINE WHERE THEY BRED ANCESTOR OF MODERN HORSE AFTERWARD
THEN THEY STARTED SPREADING AROUND WHOLE ASIA
INDO IRANIANS ORIGINATED IN EAST EUROPE AND THEY WERE CLOSELY RELATED TO PROTO SLAVS AS PART OF PROTO IRANIAN TRIBES

>>519151724
I mean, they didn't use the name swastika in the same way they didn't use the name Jew until they were forced to do so.

The symbol was, and still is, a widely used symbol

>>519152248
What would we call tea in English? What about chocolate?

>>519152402
dont know but a hakenkruez is a hooked cross. dont matter how many words you throw at me.

>>519152401
sure but it made more sense for germans to use wolf's cross or wotan's cross as their symbol if they kept talking about GERMANIC spirit
even if early early proto celtics also used swastika by the time they settled in eruope they used those weird variations >>519146240 >>519146318

>>519152379
>more than 4000 years ago
>proto-scythian

they found haplogroup R in Siberia from 24000 years ago, basically proto-Galicians
I'm so smart

>>519152642
yes then scythians road those horses and their chariots all over asia you clinical retard and today all humanity uses them after they became popularized
remember you never provided a single argument too all mine except for not understanding proto iranian might include other tribes except for indian and iranian ancestors

>>519152789
go on, keep talking about early bronze age scythians a bit more, you are so scholarly and knowledgeable
apparently understanding what proto-X means is above the average IQ of poles and toasters

>>519152710
because you keep ignoring the fact proto slavs shared the same language and symbolism with indo-iranians you retarded arab
you also keep ignoring the fact greek and italian historians called proto-slavs sarmatians which is iranian tribe
you are just a low iq subhuman laughing into the void unaware of his own stupidity and ignorance

>>519152878
the whole world laughs at sarmatianism keep entertaining us, do a flip

>>519152861
remeber you never provided any counter argument to all mine you retarded arab >>519146240>>519146280>>519146318>>519146354>>519146387>>519146470

>>519152929
you still provided 0 counter argument you fucking retard
>>519147985>>519149782>>519150306>>519150714>>519152379

>>519152929
damn fucked up most important one >>519151208
>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin: Sarmatae Venedi).[4] Thereafter, the 2nd century Greco-Roman geographer Ptolemy in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Ouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which is equivalent to the southern shores of the Baltic. He names tribes south of the Greater Venedae along the eastern bank of the Vistula and further east.[5]

>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.

>>519153018
any communication is impossible, I tried to explain to you basic Y-DNA philology but you cannot understand what proto-X means so it's utterly futile, again, nobody cares, your theories are the laughing stock of the world and the latter goes on without your kind https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09437-6

>>519152182
Except it's as english, german, etc. as esvástica is spanish.
The sanskrit word is svastika, not swastika.
>>519152621
More synonyms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fylfot
>>519151560
Based and Jungpilled. Pic's for you.

>>519152212
>we Germans tend to speak in German. And we like calling things what they literally are
And jews are still hellbent on destroying white Germany (as this thread shows), because the existence of white Germany forces jews to face that all the things they imagine themselves to be whites actually are.

>>519153226
is there a german word for swastika? or is it just hooked cross?

>>519144881
Waarom ga je niet met een pruik rondlopen man

>>519153118
so how do call otherwise the fact proto slavic and sanskrit were so close if we were not also not iranian tribe called by greeks/romans SARMATIAN VENETI you mindless arab
damn you are fucking retard
how can you explain anything with your little brown brain you mindless beast

>>519153302
it has been explained to you already multiple times that language is descriptive, it doesn't obey linguistic purism, Germans used to be very conservative and so borrowed relatively little and so called that thing Hakenkreuz; Anglos weren't, and wholesale started using the word swastika to describe it, even if they could've made up the semantic borrowing hooked-cross

>>519153118
can you read it you fucking retard?
>The Sarmatians (/sɑːrˈmeJʃiənz/; Ancient Greek: Σαρμάται, romanized: Sarmátai; Latin: Sarmatae [ˈsarmatae̯]) were a large confederation of ancient Iranian equestrian nomadic peoples

>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin: Sarmatae Venedi).[4] Thereafter, the 2nd century Greco-Roman geographer Ptolemy in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Ouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which is equivalent to the southern shores of the Baltic. He names tribes south of the Greater Venedae along the eastern bank of the Vistula and further east.[5]

>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.

no of course you cant
you are a monkey from arabia mixed with niggers

>>519141184 (OP)
Thors Hammer turned against the World Serpent

>>519153418
well if the national socialists used the term hooked cross then i am going to use the term hooked cross. as it is the literal translation from german to english. it makes more sense to use hooked cross then swastika.

>>519153522
ancient authors were almost completely illiterate about the specific linguistic belongings of people far removed from the mediterranean and called anyone and their dogs scythians/sarmatians as long as they were nomadic folk living above the pontic sea, you aren't posting anything revealing, there's a reason your theories are the laughing stock for anyone serious about te subject and why there is no such thing as a Polish philologist outside circuses

>>519153744
you are illiterate you fucking arab
mixing with middle eastern populations and post islamic spaniards turned you into retarded arab subhuman

>>519153804
you and your nation aren't even worth licking the floor the average Italian walks on, know your place lil buddy and try reading anything more than your half-understood wikipedia summaries

>>519153906
you ignored something here you arab subhuman >>519153410
you have no arguments you can only talk shit like any other arab on the bazaar

>>519153906
oh i get it
you think indo aryans originated in india
because you are a fucking pajeet
no wonder you behave like that you mindless ape

>>519153302
Yes, swastika. Also hooked cross, and as the toilet cleaner said, wotan's cross, wolf's cross...
Swastika is a word in english, german and other european languages. Hakenkreuz is more used in german because they are more conservative with their language as Luigi just said.
In Poland, swastyka
In Russia and other countries it's svastica.
In greek and latin it's also svastica, which is the actual origin of the word, not jeetspeak.

>>519153996
you aren't posting anything remotely controversial, balto-slavic and indo-iranians form a linguistic clade from around 4500 years ago and share a lot of satemization together
4500 years ago however there were no iranians, no scythians, no toasters/proto-poles/etc...., the term used often is indo-slavic and merely reflects this cladality like "italo-celtic", which doesn't mean Caesar and Vergingetorix had much in common other than descending from the same people approximately 2000 years before them

>>519154118
>oh i get it
>you think indo aryans originated in india
>because you are a fucking pajeet
>no wonder you behave like that you mindless ape
only a polish monkey could misundersand me this hard, incredible, the nigerians of Europe never disappoint

>>519154128
jewish countries call it swastika, everyone else calls it hooked cross

>>519154169
you know that PROTO means you retarded arab?
if proto slavs shared same language symbolism and culture with indo iranians while greek/roman historians(only reliable people of the time) called proto-slavas litterally SARMATIAN which is literally IRANIAN tribe how can you say proto-slavs didnt originate from proto-iranians
i mean all of those factors should give you some clue dont they?
you cant explain any of it only try arguing about semantics you semite subhuman

>>519154238
theres no chance in the world your iq is higher than 70 you little brown ape >>519154373

>>519154128
swastika is an early modern borrowing there is no such word in greek, latin or other European languages before the modern period, the Greek equivalent would be something like euestikon

>>519154373
>greek/roman historians(only reliable people of the time)
already told you that they had 0 clue whatsoever about the specific linguistic belongings of the people they very broadly called sarmatian or scythian, especially when Pliny is talking
by the time of Byzantines the two terms would've been conflated, despite the two groups having almost nothing in common, as DNA has amply showed but it requires triple digits IQ

>>519153226
Thanks, good anon. I had appreciated and saved your pic before I even read your comment.

Dick's words, like Orwell's, explain why jews are so obsessed with separating words from their symbolic origin.

Once words, which are mere labels on the true meaning and power of the symbols from which they descend, are disconnected from their souce then they can be twisted into whatever meaning a deceiver desires.

This gives jews, who are narcissist psychopaths with little to no perception of symbol (connection to symbol being a connection to something more than themselves, which as psychopaths remains a bond the jews cannot form) the power to define reality - no longer as God creates it, but as deceitful, murderous, covetous would-be-pharaoh jews would prefer it.

Said differently, jews' psychopathic inability to form empathetic bonds leaves them disconnected from symbol and thus life - leaving them trapped in the literal, superficial, material, mortal world.

A world in which they rule in a verbal hell rather than serve the existence of the living Holy all around them.

That's why jews are "The People of The Word."

>>519154760
they had idea since there was early boshporan kingdom which was shared greek-scythian entity ruled by spartoid dynasty
they knew scythians/sarmatians very well and knew proto-slavs were one of their kin
and now some brown arab midget tries to refute them by showing everyone his lack of logic and education

>>519154876
>and knew proto-slavs were one of their kin
ah yes the well known slavs recorded in Hellenistic sources, of course
it's not even worth continuing this, it's just sad

>>519154760
>especially when Pliny is talking
>by the time of Byzantines
fucking retard arab ape
>Gaius Plinius Secundus (AD 23/24 – 79), known in English as Pliny the Elder (/ˈplJni/ PLIN-ee),[1][2] was a Roman author, naturalist, scientist, and naval and army commander of the early Roman Empire,
>Byzantine Empire
>330–1453

>>519154983
again you fucking subhuman
just read it
>>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.
he's talking about same veneti that his precedessors several centuries earlier called SARMATIAN VENETI

>>519155045
unfortunately you are so dysgenic you apparently can't even understand punctuation and new line, it's literally that bad
there's a newline after "talking", do I have to explain to you what a newline is?

>>519154760
>>519154876
you kikes need to start your own thread. you guys are off topic here. talkin about ancient greeks n shit. this thread is about knowing the true term for the symbol of the national socialists and it is the hakenkruez (hooked cross) not the jewish lies that it is a swastika.

>>519155089
>same veneti
nope, he thinks he does, because he has no clue that ancients used broad strokes terms like sarmatian/scythians without any care whatsoever about linguistic belongings, which is why what I'm saying is mainstream and what you say is the running joke and laughing stock making sure nobody will ever take Poles seriously

>>519155116
in this case
>Kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporus
>c. 438 BC[1] – c. AD 527
>The Bosporan Kingdom, also known as the Kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporus (Ancient Greek: Βασιλεία τοῦ Κιμμερικοῦ Βοσπόρου, romanized: Basileía tou Kimmerikou Bospórou; Latin: Regnum Bospori), was an ancient Greco-Scythian state located in eastern Crimea and the Taman Peninsula on the shores of the Cimmerian Bosporus, centered in the present-day Strait of Kerch. It was the first truly 'Hellenistic' state, in the sense that a mixed population adopted the Greek language and civilization, under aristocratic consolidated leadership.[6] Under the Spartocid dynasty, the aristocracy of the kingdom adopted a double nature of presenting themselves as archons to Greek subjects and as kings to barbarians, which some historians consider unique in ancient history.[7] The Bosporan Kingdom became the longest surviving Roman client kingdom. The 1st and 2nd centuries AD saw a period of a new golden age of the Bosporan state. It was briefly incorporated as part of the Roman province of Moesia Inferior from AD 63 to 68 under Emperor Nero, before being restored as a Roman client kingdom.
>Common languages
>Greek
>Scythian
Pliny knew what fucking scythians/sarmatians were you retard

>>519155209
he still talks about same vistula veneti inhabiting same area as pliny talked about centuries earlier you fucking retard
he isnt calling them sarmatians anymore
he never meet sarmatians

>>519155393
yes Pliny personally traveled all the way to the Baltic and through an in depth philological analysis he determined that they were indeed Slavic-Sarmatian kangs, nevermind the fact that Romans constantly mixed up their Celtic-Germanic tribes much closer to them

>>519154369
Those are translations for hooked cross, not swastika. It's the same as if you translate idiot and retard into different languages. It's still the same though.
>>519154581
It was actually Gammadion or Tetragammadion. When our ancient brahmin magis taught about this in the Axial Age the word svastika was made in sanskrit, then borrowed back aeons later. The origin of the sanskrit word wouldn't have been possible without the greeks, that's what I meant.
>>519154797
You should read Manly P. Hall if you haven't.

"To the discerning few were revealed the esoteric, or spiritual, teachings, while the unqualified many received only the literal, or exoteric, interpretations. In order to make simple the great truths of Nature and the abstract principles of natural law, the vital forces of the universe were personified, becoming the gods and goddesses of the ancient mythologies"

"In a single figure a symbol may both reveal and conceal, for to the wise the subject of the symbol is obvious, while to the ignorant the figure remains inscrutable"

>>519155639
you dont gotta lie.

>>519155546
even if he didnt he talked to traders travelling around roman empire-bosporan kingdom-baltic amber grounds retard so they knew what scythians were and told him similarities

>>519141184 (OP)
They don’t want you discovering universal consciousness and our powers of reality creation

>>519155546
>>519155933
same similarities you can also see here >>519146240
>>519146318
>>519146354
>>519147985
>>519149782
>>519150714
>>519150306
but you are tooo dumb to see

>>519155933
how does your funny kanging theory explain that baltic languages are closer than slavic ones despite being at the furthest edge from scyrhian/sarmatian tribes?

>>519155812
I already checkmated even if you can't see it, you can go to sleep or keep playing with the pieces as dolls, just don't try to eat them.

>>519155118
>the jewish lies that it is a swastika
It's probably just cohencidence that one of if not the most important symbol of Germany, the one representing the white German people to the world, was twisted from being a reminder of whites' shared and eternal connection to both Earth and Heaven into a scrawl of imagined "Chosen" superiority stolen from shit eaters.

Nope, nothing jewish about that at all.

>>519156067
baltic languages originated from proto balto slavic which originated from proto iranian you fucking retard
fact they are closer might've been caused by connection of proto-slavs with celtic tribes and roman empire while proto baltics were separated from them
how do you even expect it to be an argument you fucking arab?

>>519156256
but proto-balto-slavic is dated to around 1500BC, did proto-iranians invent time-travel?
this is so fucking funny this little monkey is something else

>>519156157
what are you talking about? assuming checkmate is quite fucking gay. you haven't won shit. if you use the word swastika you are a jew shill. its no surprise that portugal, poland, russia and ukraine use swastika instead of hooked cross.

>>519156404
no i already told you proto iranians lived 3000-2000bc around east ukraine arab retard
around that time part of them moved to scandinavia and later either was assimilated by celtic-related migration from denmark or migrated back while proto-balto-slavics established themselves in east europe by 1500 bc as you say likely
still 2000-3000 years later there were clear similarities between slavics and iranians
same with symbolism
thats why intelligent people of the time called us the same
because they've seen we are same kin

>>519141184 (OP)
It's a lost cause, but "nazi" is a Bavarian word for hick. It's the real n-word. If they want to ban racial slurs, nazi has to go.
(it won't)

>>519156589
>still 2000-3000 years later there were clear similarities between slavics and iranians
2000-4000*
even later as during medieval our peasants still wore this clothing with swastikas

>>519156589
>proto iranians lived 3000-2000bc around east ukraine
haahhahahahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahaha
>around that time part of them moved to scandinavia
HAAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah this can end here

>>519156622
nazis and swastikas is the jewish rendition of history. the truth is national socialism and hakenkruez.
>picrel is jewish idea of nazi and swastika

>>519156678
yes because you are uneducated retard
earliest r1a migration to scandinavia from pic rel source was dated to 2000-3000 BC (i dont remember exactly)
they found the corpses
then there were also migrations of celtic related r1a from denmark
and as 1500bc baltoslavs were established in east europe with culture the same as indoiranians in asia
HOW ELSE DO YOU CALL THEIR BOTH ANCESTORS?

>>519156678
>>519156885
greeks still called them both iranians untill 2000 years ago
while 1500 years ago they just called us slavs
not sarmatians anymore
because sarmatian culture was gone
slav semi european culture was mainstream

>>519156885
it's called the corded ware culture, you're welcome for the archaeology 101 lesson downie bro
drowning little arrows with scribbles over screenshots might work in your special needs class to make your special ed teacher smile but unfortunately for you adult people give a specific meaning to the word proto

BOTH TERMS ARE CORRECT.

THE SWASTIKA WORD DERIVES FROM SANSKRIT, A INDO-EUROPEAN ARYAN LANGUAGE.

HAKENKREUZ IS THE WORD FOR SWASTIKA IN GERMAN. ACCORDING TO JEWISH MAGIC CROSSES ARE MALEVOLOUS SYMBOLS, AND I MEAN ACTUAL CROSSES. (HAKENKREUZ, CELTIC CROSS, SOLAR CROSS, ETC) NOT THE CROSS IN WHICH THE FILTHY JEWISH RABBI YOU WORSHIP HAS BEEN CRUCIFIED.

WOTAN MITT UNS

>>519157025
proto comes from greek protos meaning first meaning it was before the other thing
your artifical grouping doesnt explain why proto balto slavics shared iranian culture you retard

>>519157231
javier, you sun ov a bitch, is that you?

>>519143549
Im not even christian but christians are an important ally because theyre one of the few groups who will help us resist the mark of the beast
>but revelations is fiction
So is 1984 and they copied that and implemented most of the worst shit here. Infact the yookay is worse than in 1984.
They (the jews) are using the mark of the beast idea from revelations as a way to try to enslave the globe.
Thus christians are a much needed ally, we can debate religion after the jews are long dead.

>>519156774
>>519156413
You're the jew shill, trying to portray natsoc subscribers as retards.
And if you're just a brainlet trying to support national socialism, please stop, because you're being more of a hindrance than a help. Stop posting and read some books.

>>519157025
here you have tacitus talking about venedi being something between sarmatians and germani because they are like sarmatians but settled houses like germans
>Here Suebia ends. I do not know whether to class the tribes of the Peucini, Venedi, and Fenni with the Germans or with the Sarmatians. The Peucini, however, who are sometimes called Bastarnae, are like Germans in their language, manner of life, and mode of settlement and habitation. Squalor is universal among them and their nobles are indolent. Mixed marriages are giving them something of the repulsive appearance of the Sarmatians. The Venedi have adopted many Sarmatian habits; for their plundering forays take them over all the wooded and mountainous highlands that lie between the Peucini and the Fenni. Nevertheless, they are on the whole to be classed as Germans; for they have settled homes, carry shields, and are fond of travelling—and travelling fast on foot—differing in all these respects from the Sarmatians, who live in wagons or on horseback. The Fenni are astonishingly savage and disgustingly poor.[6]
it was 1500 years after separatiion of proto-balto-slavic from proto-iranians

>>519157371
proto- is used specifically to refer to a clade that is at the exclusion of others, a proto-iranian is someone speaking a language ancestral to iranian languages(Persian/Median, etc...) but NOT Indic, NOT Slavic, NOT Baltic, NOT Germanic, NOT Tocharian, etc...
it's like calling a Roman from 500BC "proto-Spanish", it makes NO FUCKING SENSE, these terms aren't thrown around like a monkey throws feces or a pole throws feces

>>519157547
cool story, its still hakenkruez (hooked cross) though.

>>519141184 (OP)
>pic
Retarded Nazi doesn't know that the AIT is fake! The Hindu pantheon ARE our gods

https://www.newindianexpress.com/magazine/2019/sep/15/its-all-in-the-genes-does-dna-call-bluff-on-aryan-invasion-theory-2032707.html

http://indiafacts.org/aryan-invasion-myth-21st-century-science-debunks-19th-century-indology/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Eq75KhFfw

https://swarajyamag.com/magazine/ait-versus-oit-the-evidence-that-isnt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AAryan_invasion_theory

https://theprint.in/india/aryan-invasion-theory-gets-a-setback-from-dna-study-of-2500-bc-rakhigarhi-skeletons/287454/

https://indusscrolls.com/new-dna-research-buries-aryan-invasion-theory-video/

have you bothered opening up even one link and spending more than 5 seconds reading it? i understand that the american attention span is fucked up, but i expected you guys to be better.
the links talk about how the AIT/AMI is deboonked using modern genetic and archelogical evidence.
thinking that replacing "invasion" with "migration" is enough of a defense is logically wrong, although i am open to more discussion and evidence.

>>519157603
again retard proto-slavic was same as proto-iranian >>519147985 >>519149782
>>519150714
we still share basic root words to this day you mindless ape
5000 years later
more than with rest of europeans (when it comes to basic words not inventiones done last 3000 years)

>>519157603
ok riddle me this retard
WHY IS IT PROT INDO EUROPEAN IF IRANIANS WERE EARLIER THAN INDO IRANIANS?(they traveled from northwest to india)

>>519157547
I can vouch for A Squire's Trial. Its short and beginner friendly, and the style reminds me of Socratic dialogues.

https://archive.org/details/IronMarchASquiresTrial/mode/2up

>>519157895
you are beyond parody, a German himself couldn't come up with better anti-poolish comedy than yourself talking
why? because it's proto-language of people ancestral linguistically to all speakers from Europe to India, the once furthest extremes of known related tongues before discovering Tocharian in China later
Indo-Iranian means someone speaking one of the languages of Persia/Iran or India, proto-indo-iranian someone speaking a language «ancestral» to the latter BUT already different from Baltic, Slavic, Germanic, Italic, Tocharian, etc....
can a toilet declogger put two neurons together?

>>519155639
>You should read Manly P. Hall if you haven't
*looks over at Manly P. Hall books on the shelf*

Who Google AI tells me is closely related to Carnegie Hall! I suppose there a bad Esoteric dad joke in there somewhere:

"How do you get to Manly P Hall?"
"Meditate, meditate, meditate."

In thanks I'll recommend in return any study of *the Enneagram*, the ancient Sufi model of perception (and thus predictor of behavior as well). The Sufis created it as a path of return to Wholeness. It is without compare (imo) as both a practice of personal awakening and of everyday understanding of why other people and groups behave as they do.

Warning: as a system of energetic perception, learning about the Enneagram by only reading is like using only reading to learn about cooking a foreign cuisine or painting a foreign style. Just like with other symbols, only after the energy is directly experienced do the labels we call words have true meaning.

To this end I'd look for videos (or personal attendance) of what are called "Enneagram panels," where people of a particular Point (of which there are 9, thus the "ennea") talk about what it's like to experience the world wired as they are. It's at first startling, then perhaps unbelievable, then illuminating, then transformative.

That warning given, I will say Helen Palmer's Enneagram books are a good start (full disclosure: Helen was a family friend). She worked hard to write as true to the system as possible, rather than only from within the limits of her own Point.

For light reading, David Bohm's "Wholeness and the Implicate Order" is quite enjoyable.

Thanks again and namaste, fellow traveler.

>>519158289
iranian tribes inhabited not only iran you fucking retard
they inhabited most of asia and part of europe
iran was named after iranian tribes not the other way around
and indo iranians were just iranians who inhabited indus valley
and sarmatea venedi were iranians who inhabited eastern europea
fucking arab retard

>>519141184 (OP)
it was called hagen daz

>>519158289
>>519158481
and the language of iranians were sanskrit or whatever they named it locally
it didnt differ from east europe to indus valley
today pajeet dont say awake as BUD related world like aryans did and slavs do to this day
they say shit like pic rel
they are not aryans
and germans are not aryans

>>519157504
It's 1984 with a Brave New World mask, reinforced by Idiocracy's social engineering.
If you expect allies to resist the mark, you're ngmi.
The Einherjar or Enlightened are and will be very few.
>>519158076
I almost posted that pic instead of the other one.
>>519158360
I'm familiar with the Enneagram and the Enneads and I've read Bohm's work, but I'll look for your family friend's book, thank you.
In return I'll offer this:
https://archive.org/details/alchemyscienceof0000burc

>>519141184 (OP)
3

>>519158360
Btw keep in mind that Bohm was a jew, so when he talked about unification he likely meant it in physical matter and tikkun olam terms, which results in trannies, dissolving races and nations, moral relativism, etc. For some reason they can look up, down and around, but seem unable to look inwards or beyond.

>>519158289
here is good picture too mr corded ware

>>519159349
>Alchemy
Thank you very much.

One of my favorite alchemical books is this:
https://www.taschen.com/en/books/art/45421/alchemy-and-mysticism/

Books about the esoteric and infinite are much like books about music, but I enjoy them anyway. Thank you again, it's a reassuring gift to encounter someone else here.

"Aurum nostrum non est aurum vulgi."

>>519150789
>and protoiranian tribes who traveled to scandinavia
For how much sperging you've done about proto-iranians, you'd think you'd know that this didn't happen. The Proto-Indo-Europeans did this (Yamnaya culture) and the Proto-Iranians were an offshoot of them, but the latter did not migrate to northern/western Europe.

>>519158360
Oh, and in case you don't know, both the Enneagram and Enneads are based on Pythagorean teachings. Wholeness:
9x2=18 >1+8=9
"x3=27 >2+7=9
Return:
09
18
27
...
81
90
As upwards, so downwards.
>>519160721
>it's a reassuring gift to encounter someone else here
It is indeed, fren.

>>519160901
yes proto iranians were part of proto indo europeans you retard
you have lots of catching up to do >>519160190

>>519159349
Im not talking about resisting on an individual level.
But on a collective level
If revelations is fiction then it can be stopped and thus having a bunch of other people resisting it makes it easier for society as a whole to reject it.

Yes you can reject it and become a criminal robbing trucks for food, breaking into stores etc.
But the more people resist the better things are for us.
Which is why I think christians are an important ally in this case.

>>519161162
No, they came after you retard, and they only went as far north and west as modern Ukraine, aka the Scythians. Conflating the PIE and their Iranian offshoot child civilization is massively incorrect.

>>519141184 (OP)
White people created Hinduism thoughbeit

>>519161434
it isnt tho for some reason proto-balto-slavic shared language and symbolism with indo-iranians not rest of the corder ware culture>>519150714 >>519149782 >>519147985

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

>>519160157
>Btw keep in mind that Bohm was a jew, so when he talked about unification he likely meant it in physical matter and tikkun olam terms
That's why I called it light reading!

>For some reason they can look up, down and around, but seem unable to look inwards or beyond
It's a consequence of their narcisism+psychopathy. (I mentioned it back here: >>519154797 ). Jews can't (shorthand for most but of course there's a distribution) form empathetic bonds - this is why they're psychopaths, that's what being a psychopath means. So Jews always experience themselves as disconnected. That's why they collectively experience themselves as outsiders. No matter how inside anything they are, they don't *feel* their connection to it. Thus they behave in ways that reinforce and perpetuate their belief - of being disconnected, outside - instead of being part of anything.

But jews' inability to form empathetic bonds applies to *everything*. That's why jews have no understanding of or even belief in objective truth (since that's bigger than they are), only the more base and literal "legal" and "punishable." That's why lying to their own god in their Kapparot ritual is not just OK but encouraged. There *is* no "truth." Only "legal." Shitat matzliach.

That psychopathic disconnection is why jews can easily kill children. (The jews' biggest holiday, Passover, celebrates the slaughter of children.) Jews can kill children, even their own, because they have no empathetic connection to them.

And this extends beyond the external personal. Jews have no ability to self-reflect (which is why vampires were said not to be able to see themselvesvin mirrors), because that requires an inner connection. And jews don't believe in a human soul because that requires a connection to the infinite and eternal.

Disconnected from life, jews substitute the amassing of wealth and material goods, the superficial representation of the Life jews can sense exists but they can never feel.

So that's why.

>>519161317
Trying to open the eyes of the masses is the great work, yes, but once you see the big picture it's evident that the collective was never meant to wake up, that's why Buddhism teaches dettachment. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't keep trying, only that you should do so without expectations, or else defeatism will get you sooner or later. You can't wake up anyone but yourself.
Revelations isn't fiction, it's alchemical allegory.
You won't need to become a criminal to resist the mark, because there will be no one to rob from, and ultimately, there will be no 'you' either.
>protip: BCIs are the mark.

>>519161754
Because they all originate from the Pontic Steppe PIE... Again, the Proto-Iranians did not migrate to northwestern Europe. This simply didn't happen and I can't imagine why you'd try to make such a false claim. You seem to know enough to understand that this is incorrect but are pushing the point anyway. And language commonalities in no way prove the sequence of migration so that's a non-argument. Genetic archeology does though and picrel clearly shows you are incorrect about this idea of Proto-Iranians migrating to Scandinavia.

>>519141184 (OP)
it precieves the the 4 seasons from viewing the big dipper "rotation" around the north star. Tibet knew first.

>>519162662
here you have pictured this haplogroup that was proto-iranian >>519156885
it shared language and culture
scandinavian branch was documented in north sweden close to 3000bc but was later assimilated by celtic related migration from denmark
balto slavs stayed in east europe while indo iranians traveled all the way to india
all of them originated from same proto iranian culture and even greek/roman historians 2000 years ago still called proto slavs SARMATIAN VENEDI and sarmatians were iranian tribe
because we are same kin
they couldnt tell us apart >>519153522
>The Sarmatians (/sɑːrˈmeJʃiənz/; Ancient Greek: Σαρμάται, romanized: Sarmátai; Latin: Sarmatae [ˈsarmatae̯]) were a large confederation of ancient Iranian equestrian nomadic peoples

>Pliny the Elder places the Veneti along the Baltic coast. He calls them the Sarmatian Venedi (Latin: Sarmatae Venedi).[4] Thereafter, the 2nd century Greco-Roman geographer Ptolemy in his section on Sarmatia, places the Greater Ouenedai along the entire Venedic Bay, which is equivalent to the southern shores of the Baltic. He names tribes south of the Greater Venedae along the eastern bank of the Vistula and further east.[5]

>Among the Byzantine authors, the Gothic author Jordanes in his work Getica (written in 550 or 551 AD)[7] describes the Veneti as a "populous nation" whose dwellings begin at the sources of the Vistula and occupy "a great expanse of land". He describes them as the ancestors of the Sclaveni (a people who appeared on the Byzantine frontier in the early 6th century and who were the early South Slavs) and of the Antes (East Slavs). Specifically, he states that the Sclaveni and the Antes used to be called the Veneti, but are now "chiefly" (though, by implication, not exclusively) called Sclaveni and Antes.

>>519162322
I suspected you were the same anon.
>For some reason they can't
Of course it was purely rhetorical, but it's good for other anons to read this post.

>>519141184 (OP)
why do germs and jeets share symbols? could germs be the jeet of europe?

>>519141184 (OP)
For me, it's the lauburu.

>>519163069
>Of course it was purely rhetorical, but it's good for other anons to read this post
I thought so, but one has to write for the complete audience (both present and future).

p.s. One more upcoming post you might like, phone ate it so I have to retype it. So don't leave quite yet.

>>519163411
they arent the same symbol or else the national socialists would have just called it a swastika instead of Hakenkreuz.

>>519163898
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.221554
https://archive.org/details/cosmospsycheinti00tarn
https://archive.org/details/cu31924021569128
https://archive.org/details/logicorrightuseo00watt

>>519141184 (OP)
For the love of God, just shut the fuck up. It's a ninja star flag, you fucking faggot.

>>519160157
>>519162322
>>519163898
A more full energetic explanation of why jews are limited to ego consciousness comes from the chakra system.

Judaism holds the energy of humanity's opening of its collective 3rd chakra (humanity in the West seems to open each next chakra every 2,000 years or so - which at 2,000 x 6 = 12,000 years also meets up with, though perhaps only coincidentally, the Dryas event, and that big black wall that one encounters if one attempts to explore backwards in meditation). 3rd chakra is the energy of ego, will, drive, individual power.

In contrast, 4th chakra, Heart center, holds the energy of empathy, acceptance, infinite universal love. It represents the bridge from the lower, unawakened chakras to the higher, universal ones. This is why Christ represents the union in one body of both human and God. (That's also why Christ suffers, because bridging that separation requires feeling the grief of it.)

And for those reading ahead, 5th chakra (throat) is about connection and communication. This is why in the West Christianity is being supplanted by fervent worship at the church of communications technology and the Internet.

So jews, as our word for the collection of humans in morphic resonance (to reference the wonderful Rupert Sheldrake) with the 3rd chakra (ego, power, individual awareness - but disconnected from God) MUST by definition be blind to all the energies that follow.

X and Y, while conterminous everywhere with Z, are utterly unaware of it. The Flantlanders cannot even conceive of the infinite dimension that everywhere surrounds them.

So jews are trapped in ego consciousness because "jews" are our word for beings who are the resonant expression of 3rd chakra.

A time-vs-frequency, individual-vs-collective domain view, one I find beautiful.

Thank you all again.

>>519165402
this is from mein kempf

German:
"In der Hochsommerzeit des Jahres 1920 entstand die neue Fahne... Das Rot drückte die soziale Idee der Bewegung aus, das Weiß die nationalistische, und der Hakenkreuz den Kampf für den Sieg der arischen Menschheit und zugleich den Sieg des Gedankens schaffender Arbeit."

English:
"In the midsummer of 1920, the new flag came into being... The red expressed the social idea of the movement, the white the nationalist idea, and the hooked cross the struggle for the victory of Aryan mankind and at the same time the victory of the idea of creative work."

>>519165874
>und der Hakenkreuz den Kampf für den Sieg der arischen Menschheit und zugleich den Sieg des Gedankens schaffender Arbeit
I sometimes feel a slightly better translation of "Kampf" into English would be not "struggle" but "striving." There are times that (to me) better represents the aspirational aspect of the effort. Yes it's impossibly hard work, but it's not merely work. It's the Great Work.

(And perhaps that's my comfortable view of it, not having to get to that viewpoint by fighting my way through WW1 and WW2.)

This is one of those rare occasions a leaf did nothing wrong.

The origin of the hooked cross is only tangentially related to Hinduism, actually it's a common classical motif, typically associated with mosaics, and ruins. There's an argument for it's cultural universality, but the idea that it's a symbol of the Aryan migration comes from esoteric Nazism which was fringe even among third wave nazis. Most Germans at the time would have seen it as a classicist symbol.

>>519143549
they fell for it, didnt they? and i dont know anyone who falls for it as hard as christcucks. youre not looking at normal anti-semitism, noticing noticers, you're looking at people who had to be told to hate jews. the noticing noticers were called "too anti-semitic" and got killed or had to flee.
true anti-semitism has never been tried.

>>519161609
a christcuck invented that shit

>>519141184 (OP)
Hooked noses love the hooked cross. They are nothing if not perpetually persecuted. It is the core of their identity.

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>>519159349
Alchemy
>>519165861
>jews are trapped in ego consciousness
>>519160157
>which results in trannies
The end stages of 4th chakra awareness (Christianity) are about the collective expression of the union of opposites - whether those are left and right (Christ's nailed hands), above and below (God and man), male and female, two enemies, all opposites. It's union with what was previously experienced as separate.

This is why it's sometimes called "The Alchemical Wedding."

But jews can't perceive symbolically, so they see that infinite idea as the literal chopping off of dudes' dicks and trying to become women.

Thus the jews' push for trannyism.

>>519160157
hes talking about the genestealer cult
aka christendom, aka jews

pajeets denigrate "abrahamics" and promote "paganism" (or atheism, or gnosticism, or whatever) because their objective shared with jews is to oppose and destroy "amalek/mleccha" by any means necessary. as long as you turn away from the traditions of your elders whose lives overlapped yours, they're satisfied. if you will abandon the authentic continuity of your native culture, you might readily embrace the generic counterfeit bastardization of multicult life under the rule of the chosen

all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the human world and degrade it

>>519158775
looks like a bunch of stick figure dudes running a train on a bent over woman, or a really fat dude

>>519165861
>2000 years or so
2150 years is roughly what each of the 12 astrological ages last. We're moving from Aquarius to Pisces as we post. The last sign. The 2nd coming is here. Fishes (vesica piscis) are a symbol of Christ in the Axial Age, not only Christianity, many Jataka stories have the Buddha reincarnated as a fish. If someone still doesn't know, the Christ is in every Boddhisattva, not only in Jesus.
>stuck in 3rd chakra
Manipura = "city of jewels" *nods*
The hexagon represents balance, order and beauty between imperfection and perfection, between material and divine, time and action. They misinterpret the hexagram, where balance is written, they read merging. They look up and down in pursuit of meaning, below they find paradox they can't resolve and the realization that years of science have only proved that the ancients were right about everything (which they can't tolerate because it would mean they were wrong all along), above they find escapism into infinity...

>>519156885
>he fell for the we wuz aryans psyop
hitler was an aryan r1b'er, no doubt.
madame blavatsky too.
they knew about their poo jew history, its why they adopted the swastika. if they knew about their poo jew history, theyd know abrahamism is a psyop, that its just social engineering niggercattle how to behave like a kindergartener.
but nordic chads? fuck no.
and im not of the opinion hitler was a "good jew", he helped the bankers build their zion. some might call him the greatest zionist who ever lived. baited out all the anti-semites, got them killed. combined over 100m white people killed. united jewry against europe, and more importantly, got them to equate r1b edom roman europe with r1a white europe. so now jews hate whitey when they just want to live like the amish or in the bronze ages without being fucked with. but jews who dont know abrahamism is a psyop want to move forward and follow the plan, the bankers want to appease them, so when they slaughter that heiffer and no divine character materializes into reality, they can be rug-pulled into the same pit they helped to dig for everyone else. and suddenly youre right back in the stone ages with pharoah/oligarchs dictating everybody lives. but because theyve niggercattled the entire population, it actually becomes necessary. thousands of years of timewasting, like a bunch of monke found a timemachine and ended up here in the future. all because jews fell for it, and christcucks fell for it again, and muslims again. really, should have just baited those people to those cults and killed them. npc crisis solved.

>>519141184 (OP)


>>>/wsg/5996271

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1760253615937098.webm

>>519168017
indians are wayyy closer to noahide/abrahamism than they are to european paganism

snorri paganism seems indian because hes a christcuck. if you had these two groups individually conceive of a religion theyd be much like one another in terms of theology. the question is which of them can ripoff pagans harder? because poos dont have poo jews to piggyback off of, and christcucks dont have jews to piggyback off of, itd be a hilarious experiment. id have to bet on the fmr. white christcuck. they have a way of tapping into that latent european spirit when its through a medium. its entirely unconcious of course, but some of the best examples of pagan religious literature are oblivious christcucks like Tolkien trying to reimagine a fictional world with elements from his jew worship indoctrination. but theres always the subliminal and unconscious additions, the psychospiritual elements which transcend the brainwashing that finds its way to seep past the filter in their brains. but these christcucks are really, really, rare. only ever been a handful in their history. so itd actually be a decent experiment. has christianity devolved the european below the poo jew poo, spiritually speaking?

>>519168017
Not that anything you said here was wrong, but I'd wish it was only jeets serving jews.
>>519167962
>paganism bad
>follow your ancestors
But here you're contradicting yourself hard.
Our ancestors were led astray by abrahamic kikes.
You're failing by assuming every step in the path was given in the right direction, refusing to correct course.

>>519168843
>2150 years is roughly what each of the 12 astrological ages last
I do wonder whether there's a polar precessional element happening, 12Ky is about a full 6 chakra opening...so did a similar thing happen in the previous 12Ky? Or is this the first pass but we only need a half cycle to unite extremes?

There's the old saw about genius being the ability to hold two conflicting ideas at once. (My 6yo childhood version of that, before I knew about the other one, was "It's a small mind that has to have a thing be either true or false.")

Much agreed that the "smarter" we get the more we realize we were wrong - if we're brave enough.

It has been an absolute pleasure talking with you tonight, Fernando. I hope I get to speak with you again. And until then it gives me hope people like you are out there. Yes, faith is wonderful, but it's healing when a rainbow appears and God smiles.

My best to you and all who matter to you.

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

pajeets are fixated on multiculturalism, race mixing and "passing" for other races, because the ulterior dream of every male or female pajeet is to breed out their original characteristics and assume another identity. rather than correcting the ancestral behaviors that resulted in their present reputation, they seek to fly by night away from their inheritance and increase the ambiguity of your lineage instead

>>519171100
>12Ky
>6 chakra openings / alchemical passages
>2 feet
>My best to you and all who matter to you.
Wish you the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yYJ6ZAYns

>>519168843
>>519171100
One last thing, a short excerpt from Peter Brook's magnificent stage/film epic "The Mahabharata."

(This is Krishna speaking to Arjuna, part of what in the text is called the Bhagavad Gita. In these times before our final battle for humanity I find this speech...calming.)

https://vimeo.com/568657025

>>519171842
>>519171902
can you fuckin homos take your convo to discord?

>>519171842
>that song
No homo

>>519171902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXWrOuQIygw

>>519171982
You wouldn't get it, but the reason we enjoyed our convo is the same why we don't need to keep it going. And it's funny that you mention discord. Keep serving the wrong Eris.

>>519173447
Forgot the pic, extremely related to this thread

>>519141184 (OP)
Nigger

you guys said the swastika originated from watching the stars during the years.
but how's it possible that totally different cultures have one?
can't be for the same reason

>>519141184 (OP)
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>>519143549
Hitler got the symbol from a Catholic Church

>>519143549
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odNoExd8a5U
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott all israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net/Guide-to-BDS-Boycott

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from the word "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many european (white) nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>519151560
>>519146683
Why is it the jews treat the hakenkruez with as much animosity as the cross?
the truth will set you free